The Charlie Kirk Show - How to Save Western Civilization with Nigel Farage

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00:02:29.000 Hey, everybody.

00:02:30.000 Honored to be here today with my friend and the defender of Western civilization, Nigel Farage.

00:02:35.000 Nigel, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:37.000 Charlie, great to be here.

00:02:38.000 Not before time, but great to be here.

00:02:40.000 I've got a big message for you.

00:02:41.000 Oh, I can't wait.

00:02:42.000 And I'm so glad you're here in America.

00:02:45.000 I feel that you're more American than most Americans I deal with nowadays.

00:02:48.000 Well, I spent my working life for 20 years working for American firms before getting into politics.

00:02:53.000 So I've kind of been across the pond commuter for about 35 years.

00:02:58.000 I mean, you speak the language of American politics perfectly.

00:03:02.000 Well, I think the thing is, we've got common cause.

00:03:05.000 The big battles that are being fought right across the West, don't think here in America these are purely your challenges.

00:03:11.000 We've got an attempt now.

00:03:13.000 It isn't even socialism.

00:03:14.000 It's a new form of Marxism that is out there.

00:03:17.000 It's intent upon bringing down the West.

00:03:19.000 Yes. 0.62

00:03:20.000 Bringing down the West, smashing our Judeo-Christian culture, defunding the police is just a part of that. 0.71

00:03:27.000 And they will destroy capitalism, freedom, and liberty and replace it with a new, wonderful Marxist order. 0.88

00:03:33.000 That's what's really going on here.

00:03:34.000 I want to explore that with you.

00:03:35.000 There's so much there, but I first want to say thank you for your contribution to the West.

00:03:40.000 What you did with Brexit gave hope to so many Trump voters back in 2016.

00:03:45.000 I remember that because all of a sudden it kind of challenged conventional polling.

00:03:49.000 It played into this, which was once mythology, which then became hope, of the silent majority.

00:03:57.000 That there was more of us than we could ever imagine, and there was the wink and the nod society that we're going to show up in big numbers, even though we might not be reflected on the BBC or the Guardian.

00:04:07.000 And then you also forced the hand of the resignation of Prime Minister May.

00:04:12.000 I think it's two years ago to the day.

00:04:13.000 Two years to the day.

00:04:14.000 So what happened was we got Brexit in 2016, and you're quite right.

00:04:17.000 That gave a lot of Americans, hey, you know, maybe this guy Trump can do it.

00:04:20.000 You know, maybe we should ignore the opinion party and just get out there and vote with our hearts.

00:04:25.000 And certainly, Donald Trump himself believes it was a really big help and a factor in what happened here in November of that year.

00:04:32.000 So we had our big celebration, but nearly three years on from Brexit, guess what?

00:04:36.000 The globalists had stopped it from happening.

00:04:39.000 And we had a date.

00:04:40.000 We were due to leave the European Union, March 29th, 2019.

00:04:44.000 And guess what?

00:04:45.000 We woke up on March the 30th and we hadn't left.

00:04:48.000 And many said, oh, it's okay.

00:04:49.000 The British people have realised the terrible mistake they've made.

00:04:52.000 But there was an opening, an opportunity.

00:04:54.000 Because we hadn't left, we had to fight a set of national elections for the European Parliament.

00:04:59.000 I put together a patriotic alliance, not just of Conservatives, but of patriotic people on the centre-left as well.

00:05:07.000 And that alliance, I mean, we smashed it.

00:05:10.000 We won it.

00:05:11.000 We got 50% more votes than the Nears party.

00:05:14.000 And before the votes were even counted, the Prime Minister who'd betrayed Brexit resigned in disgrace.

00:05:21.000 And so I like to think that I've got rid now of two British prime ministers and that opened the door for Boris Johnson.

00:05:27.000 I mean, Boris wouldn't even be there if we hadn't done what we'd done.

00:05:30.000 But the reason it happened is people hadn't changed their minds.

00:05:33.000 They were, in fact, even angrier that what we voted for was being betrayed.

00:05:38.000 And I'm back here now, you know, five years on, doing a speaking tour around the States, saying to you that generally we follow American fashions, all right?

00:05:49.000 But in politics, just for the minute, we are actually leading the way.

00:05:52.000 That's exactly right.

00:05:53.000 We led it in 1916 and we're going to lead it again.

00:05:55.000 And I'll explain to you exactly why.

00:05:58.000 Please do.

00:05:59.000 So there we were.

00:06:01.000 I mean, frankly, down and out.

00:06:02.000 The Labour Party was being headed up by a guy called Jeremy Corbyn, an avowed, open, anti-Semitic Marxist.

00:06:10.000 And that party, which for most of the years, the Labour Party had been a soft centre-left socialist party, but always patriotic.

00:06:18.000 It always believed in the country, and people that voted for it had fought for the country in world wars and goodness knows what else.

00:06:26.000 So the Labour Party gets hijacked.

00:06:27.000 Brexit gets denied.

00:06:30.000 We win the first battle by getting Brexit done and over the line, not just getting conservative voters, but getting patriotic Labour voters.

00:06:38.000 The international socialists hated Brexit, never accepted Brexit.

00:06:43.000 The international socialists support complete open borders.

00:06:47.000 They couldn't care less who comes in legally or illegally.

00:06:51.000 And they joined the whole cancel culture phenomenon, which says we're ashamed of our flag, ashamed of our nation, ashamed of our history.

00:06:59.000 We want to tear it down and destroy it.

00:07:00.000 Now, the parallels with the US are extraordinary because the Dems, who've generally been relatively moderate centre-left, have now been dragged way, way out to the left extremes in some cases.

00:07:13.000 You've got a border crisis, something happening in this very state, which once again they're unconcerned by in Washington, but it's an insult to those who've legally come to America to see people simply walking through the door.

00:07:27.000 And now that every state is becoming a border state because of the dispersal of the thousand people a day that are coming in illegally.

00:07:34.000 And lastly, the reason cancel culture hurt the Labour Party so much is the working class British people who'd voted Labour ever since 1918 in their families, when they're told to be ashamed of their history, they say, do you know what?

00:07:48.000 Actually, we're proud of what our grandparents and great-grandparents did in two world wars.

00:07:53.000 Our grandmothers working in the factories.

00:07:56.000 We know our history is not perfect, but we're proud of who we were.

00:08:00.000 And I see right now, number one, we've got Brexit.

00:08:03.000 Number two, the Socialist Labour Party is literally unconscious on the floor.

00:08:08.000 It will not govern for 10 or 20 years.

00:08:10.000 And these people, I mean, these Labor people were voting for me in their millions.

00:08:16.000 Now, we've got Brexit.

00:08:17.000 I've stepped back from the front line.

00:08:19.000 And Boris Johnson is the beneficiary of all of it.

00:08:23.000 And even though...

00:08:25.000 He may not be as conservative as I would like or you would like, but just think about it.

00:08:30.000 We've beaten the globalists and we've beaten the socialists.

00:08:33.000 And if we can do it, I'm absolutely certain that America can do the same.

00:08:38.000 I totally agree.

00:08:38.000 And so there's a lot I want to unpack there.

00:08:41.000 And there's so much wisdom.

00:08:44.000 So the first part about labor, there's so many similarities here in the United States with the Democrat Party.

00:08:52.000 And I call this an attempted flagless revolution.

00:08:56.000 And what has been proven in the United Kingdom, which I think will manifest here in the United States, absent the American conservatives, not totally messing this up, is it's the first ever insurgent communist movement that actually hates the country they're trying to overthrow.

00:09:09.000 Absolutely.

00:09:10.000 And for example, Fidel Castro never said he hated Cuba.

00:09:13.000 He said, I love the history of Cuba, and I'm the true Cuban.

00:09:16.000 Same with Levin.

00:09:17.000 If you go right back to the beginning of this, in the run-up to 1917 and the Russian Revolution, the first real attempt at putting communism in, there were always two types of communists.

00:09:28.000 There was the patriotic communist who believed in socialism in one country.

00:09:32.000 And there was the Trotskyite, global revolutionary, who thought all nation states should be abolished, all boundaries should be abolished.

00:09:39.000 Didn't work too well for Trotsky.

00:09:40.000 And a new world.

00:09:41.000 No, he got an ice pick in the end through his head, didn't he?

00:09:43.000 That's exactly right.

00:09:44.000 But I wouldn't worry about Trotsky too much.

00:09:46.000 What I would worry about are the 40 million Russians who died under that Soviet regime.

00:09:52.000 And in the case of Mao, with his form of communism, probably nearer 80.

00:09:56.000 And he was also a nationalist, too.

00:09:57.000 So you've always had that divide.

00:09:59.000 In socialism, communism, you get those that are nationalist and those that are more globalist.

00:10:05.000 But hey, the national socialists are pretty dangerous, too.

00:10:08.000 Oh, they totally are.

00:10:09.000 And a thought on this.

00:10:10.000 Hitler's always thought of as being extreme right-wing.

00:10:14.000 But actually, he was a national socialist too. 0.90

00:10:17.000 That's exactly right.

00:10:18.000 But when it comes to the voters, when it comes to people who vote for centre-left parties, they've been doing this for 100 years because they wanted a different form of economy.

00:10:28.000 But economics is not dictating Western politics.

00:10:32.000 This is now simple.

00:10:33.000 The divide in politics is simple.

00:10:35.000 Either you believe in your country, you're proud of its past, you want it to have a great future, and whilst you'll trade and cooperate with other parts of the world, you'll put your own interests first.

00:10:46.000 Or you're a globalist who believes in free movement of people and the erasing, not just of history, but of genuine teaching and debate within universities, which of course is where turning point very much has come in.

00:10:58.000 I find myself more and more inspired by the writings of someone you know, Edmund Burke, probably the first ever conservative, who had a great saying that conservatives must stand for the bond between the dead, the living, and the yet to be born, that kind of three-tied knot.

00:11:14.000 And that's what's drawing labor in.

00:11:17.000 And it's less about free market economics or supply side, whatever, which I've become less interested in than ever.

00:11:23.000 Because if you don't have a nation, if you don't have a home, and you just look at nothing but economic charts and graphs, then it's almost like the colonization.

00:11:31.000 Look, it matters because there are millions of smaller.

00:11:32.000 I'm not saying it's not inconsequent.

00:11:35.000 But it is not what will decide the future.

00:11:37.000 We've got Brexit, I'm pleased.

00:11:39.000 But if America falls, we all fall.

00:11:40.000 The battle now is here.

00:11:42.000 Saving Western civilization can only happen in this country.

00:11:45.000 So I want to explore that because you have wisdom into how the left works.

00:11:50.000 And some Republicans think that pandering more to the private equity crowd and just being more globalist is the solution.

00:11:57.000 Yeah, so this is the big divide.

00:11:58.000 You know, the left, as I've said already before, used to be pretty patriotic.

00:12:04.000 Now the left wants to destroy our history.

00:12:06.000 Now the left, sadly, has got a grip over the education system.

00:12:10.000 And so, you know, people are being taught at school that somehow, I mean, in my country, that if you're white and British, you've got this shameful past.

00:12:18.000 Well, we don't have a shameful past.

00:12:20.000 We've actually left some very good legacies around the world.

00:12:22.000 Like common law.

00:12:24.000 Well, Magna Carta, common law, you know, the concept of liberty and justice.

00:12:29.000 Natural law.

00:12:30.000 And of course, countries like Canada, Australia that have become great nations.

00:12:35.000 And of course, then there's America.

00:12:36.000 Now, you guys, of course, were the first Brexit.

00:12:39.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:12:40.000 It was more of a separation than a revolution.

00:12:42.000 I make the argument that calling it an American revolution is actually not correct semantically.

00:12:47.000 It was more of a separation where the French was a revolution.

00:12:51.000 Overthrow the customs. 0.95

00:12:52.000 Yes, yes.

00:12:52.000 New time, literally, like not a seven-day week, 10-day week.

00:12:56.000 The Jacobins were full of rage.

00:12:57.000 The Americans were, they still wanted to preserve a lot of British customs.

00:13:02.000 And the declaration was basically very specific towards King George saying, these are all the things you've done wrong.

00:13:08.000 And Edmund Burke and Pitt basically said, hey, they got a point.

00:13:12.000 You know, we've let them govern themselves.

00:13:14.000 Yes, no, that's right.

00:13:15.000 I mean, Burke was very much in favor of that.

00:13:17.000 So as I say, the USA was the first Brexit.

00:13:19.000 And with that, you've got on to become the most powerful and successful country in the world, which is what is worth fighting for.

00:13:26.000 But no, the left have been taken over.

00:13:27.000 The left have been poisoned.

00:13:29.000 And you only have to look at what we've seen in the streets of London over the last few days to understand what I mean.

00:13:35.000 I mean, to think...

00:13:36.000 What has happened to us?

00:13:37.000 To think.

00:13:38.000 We don't know.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 After the conflict, the Gaza-Israel conflict.

00:13:43.000 Okay, which, by the way, I don't think would have happened if Donald Trump was still in the United States.

00:13:47.000 I totally agree.

00:13:48.000 But what had happened last Sunday, we saw motorcades driving through the Jewish districts of North London, waving Palestinian flags out of windows and sunroofs on loud hailers, shouting loudly the most offensive and intimidatory, sexually violent language.

00:14:08.000 I'm not even going to begin to think to repeat any of it right here now.

00:14:12.000 And that's the kind of thing that's been happening.

00:14:14.000 We've even had members of the British police force shouting out Free Palestine when these demonstrations have been taking place.

00:14:22.000 I saw some footage from New York the other evening of a Jewish guy, you know, actually being punched in the street. 0.89

00:14:29.000 So the new left, who like to sell themselves as being virtuous and lovely, actually, they're very, very dangerous people. 0.59

00:14:35.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:14:37.000 They think they are morally superior to us.

00:14:40.000 They genuinely believe.

00:14:41.000 I totally agree. 0.95

00:14:42.000 We kind of think they're a bit wacky and a bit silly, but they genuinely hate us. 0.84

00:14:48.000 And if you believe, if one group of people believe they're morally superior than another group of people, they are prepared to go to extraordinary lengths to get their way. 0.93

00:14:58.000 And that includes, by the way, cheating, fiddling elections, but it also includes intimidation and violence.

00:15:06.000 And this is what we're up against. 0.77

00:15:08.000 And I do think the Jewish community, the way they're being treated, the fear they're beginning to live under, is something we kind of need to make the public understand just how nasty this new left is.

00:15:21.000 Winston Churchill wrote extensively about Israel and about the conflict in the Middle East. 0.85

00:15:26.000 There was not one part of the world that Winston Churchill was not well versed in.

00:15:30.000 And almost every prediction he made geopolitically was correct. 0.67

00:15:33.000 And I think his prediction in India will end up being correct. 0.97

00:15:35.000 He just thought it could never work because of the different types of people.

00:15:38.000 And so what you have happening in the United Kingdom and also in America, and you are a little bit ahead of this, you're saying Labor's on the floor just begging for mercy.

00:15:49.000 Yep.

00:15:50.000 Do you think American conservatives can get to that kind of position?

00:15:53.000 Because we're currently not that way.

00:15:55.000 So, if you look at the Democrat vote in this country, I mean, take a very simple issue, like voter ID.

00:16:02.000 I mean, 75% of Americans think voter ID is a good idea.

00:16:07.000 So, you've automatically got half of the people who vote Democrat think this is a good idea and their own party is wrong on this.

00:16:16.000 Look at critical race theory.

00:16:18.000 You know, I saw some polling today.

00:16:20.000 28% of Americans think that race is a major, major contributory factor to all the problems in America.

00:16:26.000 And you look at that and think that's shocking, but hang on a second.

00:16:30.000 That actually means that two-thirds plus of, and that means another large chunk of Democrats who do not want their kids to have critical race theory rammed down their throats in school.

00:16:43.000 And every time I look at each different sector, take the border war, or the lack of one in here in Arizona, but take the border crisis.

00:16:50.000 And again, you find that nearly half of Democrats are concerned about what's going on.

00:16:55.000 There is a massive opportunity here, a massive opportunity.

00:16:59.000 Even if we question the integrity of the last election, just look how close overall the whole thing was.

00:17:04.000 There wasn't much in it.

00:17:06.000 I genuinely think that conservatives can aim at 50% of the traditional industrial, post-industrial, working-class and blue-collar Democrat voter.

00:17:17.000 Now, the one thing that needs to happen for this to work is for the conservative movement to be united with clear messaging and out there fighting.

00:17:27.000 And my sense is a lot of conservatives, a lot of Republican officials have been in a period of mourning.

00:17:34.000 And it's been tough, and I know and I can see the threats you're all facing.

00:17:38.000 But as I say, we in 2019 face those threats.

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00:18:49.000 What in you drove you either instinctively or a view of history to be so ahead of the curve to want to defend the nation of the United Kingdom, to lead this, what I would call a moral nationalism.

00:19:04.000 Was it just an instinct or was it just kind of a kind of rejection of the overindulgence or the excesses of neoliberalism?

00:19:11.000 It wasn't just that.

00:19:12.000 No, I tell you what it was.

00:19:13.000 It was my so I live in a small village in Kent.

00:19:15.000 Kent is the county just to the south of London.

00:19:17.000 We're not far from London, but we might as well be a thousand miles away when it comes to attitudes.

00:19:23.000 And I could see in the late 1980s, early 1990s, I could see this thing we joined called the common market had changed its name.

00:19:33.000 They suddenly called it not the EEC, but the EC, the European community.

00:19:39.000 Then they changed it again to the European Union.

00:19:42.000 That was early 2000s.

00:19:43.000 And this is, no, This is happening in 1992, 1993.

00:19:46.000 They changed the name to the European Union.

00:19:48.000 They were changing names.

00:19:49.000 And I thought, whoa, what's going on here?

00:19:51.000 And once I started to drill down and to understand what was going on, I then started to go and meet conservative politicians, Conservative MPs.

00:19:59.000 I was a businessman, to express my concerns.

00:20:02.000 And they'd say, Nigel, we absolutely understand what you're saying.

00:20:05.000 One of Freddie, there really is nothing we can do.

00:20:07.000 If we speak out against this, we'll get deselected.

00:20:10.000 We won't be.

00:20:11.000 The country has decided this is our future. 0.99

00:20:13.000 And then I go and meet people in my local pub, in my village, working people who go for a drink on a Friday night.

00:20:21.000 And when I talked to them about what was going on, they couldn't believe it.

00:20:25.000 They simply couldn't believe that this country, our country, would be sold out to the new globalist experiment.

00:20:32.000 So a combination of conservative cowardice, my genuine sense of feeling that big business and politics was out of touch with where we were.

00:20:40.000 And I committed myself in 1993.

00:20:42.000 I said, right, I am going to do something.

00:20:45.000 Well, there you are.

00:20:46.000 I mean, I'm a veteran.

00:20:48.000 I mean, all the Tea Party guys say, oh, we were out campaigning in 2009.

00:20:52.000 I say, guys, I was about 16 years ahead of all of you.

00:20:55.000 Yes.

00:20:55.000 And once I started on this, and I began to see the fear, the fear of the press, of the political class at me and what I was doing, I realized I was on the right track.

00:21:09.000 You know, I can't pretend that doing it.

00:21:11.000 I mean, in all, from me beginning to campaign to getting Brexit finished was 27 years.

00:21:16.000 And for 25 of those years, in terms of well-known people, I was pretty much on my own.

00:21:22.000 Those that joined the Brexit campaign, like Boris, joined it at five minutes to midnight.

00:21:26.000 I mean, let's be honest about it.

00:21:28.000 He did help a little bit on the margins, but I think it would have helped.

00:21:31.000 I think he would have won without him.

00:21:32.000 Well, yes or no.

00:21:34.000 The point is, those that joined joined very late.

00:21:37.000 And there is a massive cost to doing this.

00:21:39.000 I mean, you're virtually the modern-day equivalent of volunteering for crucifixion.

00:21:43.000 Because in social terms, that's what they do to you.

00:21:45.000 I mean, I have had, I've probably had as many, if not more, horrendous newspaper headlines than Donald Trump has had because I was doing it for a long time.

00:21:55.000 But I just, something in me, I don't know what it was, something in me just said, if I don't do this, nobody else will.

00:22:05.000 So when was the European project, was it 91, 92?

00:22:10.000 So the European project, the original European project goes way back to the 1950s.

00:22:15.000 Sure.

00:22:16.000 The British then joined it.

00:22:17.000 But how about the Euro?

00:22:18.000 When was that introduced?

00:22:19.000 Oh, well, the Euro battle.

00:22:20.000 The Euro battle came.

00:22:22.000 So I got elected to the European Parliament in 1999.

00:22:26.000 Wow.

00:22:26.000 And that next three years was the big decision.

00:22:30.000 Who was joining the Euro, who wasn't joining the Euro.

00:22:34.000 And thank goodness, the UK, with the skin of its teeth, avoided joining the Eurozone.

00:22:39.000 But you were in the Eurozone, is that correct?

00:22:41.000 No.

00:22:43.000 we've managed to maintain Sterling.

00:22:44.000 We've managed to keep inside the Sterling zone.

00:22:46.000 And of course, if you don't control your own currency, you can't control interest rates and many other things.

00:22:50.000 But you were still then saying we want to be regulated by Brussels.

00:22:54.000 So we had this sort of odd position where the politicians couldn't push us into the Euro because they knew the British people would say no.

00:23:01.000 Because the pound was sell us out in every other area to the European project.

00:23:09.000 Regulation, all sorts of things.

00:23:10.000 It's rather like, you know, it's rather like if you put a lobster in very hot water, it'll fight to get out.

00:23:16.000 But if you put a lobster in very, very cool water, cold water, and turn up the gas, then ever so slowly the lobster cooks.

00:23:23.000 And what was happening to our statehood was, little piece by little piece, every little piece of law that got passed and barely noticed bound us ever more closely in with a form of government that we couldn't change at elections.

00:23:36.000 And if you think about it, globalism actually is a battle of bureaucracy against democracy.

00:23:42.000 That's exactly right.

00:23:44.000 So they're all the things that I recognized.

00:23:46.000 They're all the things that I fought against.

00:23:47.000 And hey, we got there.

00:23:48.000 Well, it's phenomenal because it was a multi-decade project.

00:23:50.000 And so I've been doing a lot of research into the American time period because America was making very similar decisions.

00:23:58.000 And it's not as well known, but in 1991, George W. Bush signed mass immigration bill, the National Immigration Act, pandering to Ted Kennedy.

00:24:07.000 In 1994, we certified NAFTA.

00:24:10.000 In 1999, we deregulated our financial sector industry, I think to the worst, Glass-Steagall, which blurred commercial banks and investment banks.

00:24:18.000 In 2001, we welcomed China into the World Trade Organization.

00:24:21.000 So that's 10 years, four major, I call it the four horsemen of the 1990s, playing on the apocalypse. 0.86

00:24:27.000 But it's that same sort of, all of a sudden we want to be more global-minded, that the flow of capital trumps all.

00:24:32.000 And I think it actually confirms Russell Kirk's, Russell Kirk's prediction that we in the West wouldn't really know what to do once the Soviet Union fell.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, well, that's right.

00:24:43.000 I mean, it was a massive geopolitical event.

00:24:46.000 But isn't it interesting?

00:24:46.000 I mean, even today, we've got the Biden administration looking to harmonize globally, or across the West anyway, harmonize corporation tax rates.

00:24:54.000 And guess who's come out in support of Biden today?

00:24:57.000 The British Labour Party.

00:24:59.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:00.000 Wow.

00:25:00.000 So the globalists are still at it, but we've got the upper hand.

00:25:04.000 And why?

00:25:05.000 Well, you mentioned the Berlin Wall.

00:25:07.000 Actually, Brexit's the biggest geopolitical change since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

00:25:11.000 It's that big. 0.84

00:25:12.000 I totally agree.

00:25:13.000 It's that big.

00:25:14.000 And I can sit here and tell you with confidence that over the course of the next 10 years, the rest of those globalist structures across Europe are going to start to shake.

00:25:22.000 And one or two of them are going to fall.

00:25:24.000 And all we have to do to make sure, to make sure that at least for the next decade or two, we live in freedom, we live in peace, we live in liberty, is for the Conservative movement here to unite and go out and attack those working class, blue-collar voters who hate the current direction of the Damascus.

00:25:42.000 Well, and in Europe, there's one of three countries that have to fall and the whole project will fall apart, either France, Italy, or Germany. 0.59

00:25:48.000 Italy's top of that list. 0.98

00:25:50.000 I totally agree.

00:25:51.000 Then France and then Germany, they just.

00:25:52.000 Because the Euro for Italy has been a complete disaster.

00:25:55.000 Totally. 1.00

00:25:55.000 And the Italians. 1.00

00:25:56.000 And they tend to be nationalistic in language and culture, in immigration.

00:26:01.000 They've suffered a huge cost for mass migration from the Middle East.

00:26:05.000 No, Italy may well leave.

00:26:06.000 And if it does, it could do so in a disorderly fashion.

00:26:10.000 So we have to be ⁇ one of the things we must watch for.

00:26:14.000 Brexit's been a relatively peaceful process.

00:26:16.000 It's gone very, very well.

00:26:17.000 There's been no great television.

00:26:19.000 It's been very British in the way you guys have told it.

00:26:21.000 Very gentlemanlike.

00:26:22.000 I mean, the history books will say in 100 years' time, this was a grassroots revolt led against the establishment.

00:26:27.000 And a peaceful separation.

00:26:28.000 And a peaceful separation.

00:26:29.000 If Italy leaves, I worry that a lot of banks will go bust.

00:26:35.000 But they tend to be more street-minded people. 1.00

00:26:38.000 The French, I would say. 1.00

00:26:40.000 I mean, Paris is like a war zone. 1.00

00:26:42.000 I know.

00:26:43.000 They can't handle it.

00:26:44.000 But it's in their blood.

00:26:45.000 They've always been.

00:26:46.000 But no, no.

00:26:47.000 I honestly, I could see how down people were in 2019 in Britain, but they're not now.

00:26:53.000 We've turned it round.

00:26:55.000 And my message to Americans is, yeah, I know some dreadful things have happened over the course of the last six months, but hey, disillusion is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:27:03.000 You've got to get organized and ready to fight and fight hard.

00:27:06.000 So you were in the financial sector, late 80s, early 90s.

00:27:09.000 And just in 93, you launched this thing.

00:27:11.000 And you just said it's somewhat instinct, somewhat history, love of country.

00:27:15.000 Your family probably fought in the Great Wars.

00:27:18.000 You grew up revering Winston Churchill.

00:27:20.000 And you just rationally played this out and said, we're not going to have a Britain to love if we allow these globalists to crush our sovereignty.

00:27:29.000 We would have become a province.

00:27:30.000 A colony.

00:27:32.000 Literally of this unelected state. 0.61

00:27:34.000 That's so well said.

00:27:34.000 Who, of course, have chosen for themselves their own flag, their own anthem.

00:27:38.000 Yes.

00:27:39.000 And of course, had Hillary won in 2016. 0.92

00:27:43.000 I mean, she was talking about America joining what she called a hemispheric common market.

00:27:48.000 So you kind of would have been part of the European single market as well.

00:27:51.000 So that was a lucky escape.

00:27:52.000 So can we talk quickly, Nigel, why that's such a bad thing?

00:27:55.000 Because it's attractive and tempting to young people in particular.

00:27:59.000 You know, we are all the world.

00:28:01.000 Why divide yourself into nations?

00:28:03.000 Why are you such a stickler, Nigel, for saying that the Isle of Britain, the English-speaking people, should have its own association?

00:28:11.000 Because people want to be part of something bigger than just themselves.

00:28:14.000 And you can't be part of the world because the world is too big a concept to grasp.

00:28:20.000 And every attempt that's been made to form massive governmental blocs has always ended in disaster and fragmentation and ruin and often at considerable loss of life.

00:28:30.000 The nation-state works because it is the thing that you're prepared to swear allegiance to, pay your taxes to, and in extremists, put on a military uniform to defend.

00:28:40.000 That is why the nation-state works.

00:28:41.000 And to those who think nation-states are outdated, well, have a think about this.

00:28:45.000 In 1945, there were 55 countries in the world.

00:28:48.000 There are now 230.

00:28:50.000 All right?

00:28:50.000 All over the world.

00:28:51.000 That's a great point.

00:28:52.000 Big blocks are breaking down into smaller units because people want a sense of ownership.

00:28:56.000 It's like being a shareholder.

00:28:57.000 They're invested in the country.

00:28:59.000 Like North Macedonia, for example.

00:29:01.000 When England plays soccer, people hang out millions of flags from their bedroom windows because they want the team to win.

00:29:08.000 It's about belonging.

00:29:09.000 In economic terms, the argument for a big market with the same taxes, the same rules, and the same regulations, you will hear it from the global multinationals over and over and over.

00:29:22.000 Why?

00:29:22.000 Because the more you regulate an industry, the higher the cost of entry for anybody new.

00:29:27.000 And what you have here is a new kind of Marxist socialism where big businesses and big government work hard.

00:29:37.000 And who are the losers?

00:29:38.000 I'll tell you what the losers are.

00:29:39.000 The losers are the millions of men and women who, as entrepreneurs, are the real engines of growth.

00:29:45.000 Thatcher and Reagan proved this in the 1980s.

00:29:48.000 Free people up, allow them to go out and make money, and they will do so.

00:29:52.000 And so we're finishing up now with a handful of companies running the world, with fewer choices of products, less innovation.

00:29:59.000 Oh, I think he forgot.

00:30:01.000 And higher consumer prices as well.

00:30:03.000 So it is an absolute stitch-up between big banks, big business, and big politics.

00:30:09.000 I think you articulated the moral case for nation states.

00:30:12.000 And I actually think it prevents conflicts because I actually think it's irrational to say...

00:30:17.000 Here's a point, right?

00:30:19.000 Wars happen when you have governments that do not have democratic controls and generally have expansionist ambitions.

00:30:26.000 That was the word I had.

00:30:27.000 There is no single example of a functioning, mature democracy going to war with another.

00:30:33.000 No single example.

00:30:35.000 And that's something I've used in British universities and schools for decades, and no one's ever come back.

00:30:40.000 I'm sure they're flabbergasted.

00:30:42.000 No one's ever come back at me.

00:30:43.000 That is the argument.

00:30:44.000 It is the greatest ever for self-determination and for the nation state.

00:30:48.000 I can't think of a better thing to say about that.

00:30:50.000 And it's categorically anti-neoconservative, which I find to be delicious.

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00:31:44.000 What is going on with the royal family?

00:31:47.000 Oh, God, dear, dear, dear.

00:31:48.000 So, you didn't see that one coming.

00:31:49.000 Oh, dear, dear, dear. 0.97

00:31:50.000 Well, of course, the Queen is magnificent. 0.98

00:31:52.000 I think she's popular and without doubt the most popular human being in the world. 0.56

00:31:56.000 She's popular in Britain. 0.88

00:31:57.000 She's popular in America.

00:31:58.000 And don't forget, the Commonwealth, there are two and a half billion people that live within the Commonwealth, and she's the head of the Commonwealth.

00:32:04.000 So, this woman's influence over the world as an example of how perhaps we should live our lives is huge.

00:32:11.000 Obviously, her husband's just died, magnificent man, yeah, didn't quite make 100.

00:32:16.000 World War II naval veteran, all-round proper bloke who always spoke his mind and invariably got into a lot of trouble.

00:32:24.000 And then we've got Harry.

00:32:25.000 Now, look, in 2016, we exported the Brexit phenomenon to you.

00:32:30.000 I'm afraid to say we've exported a young couple to the West Coast who not only are abusing their own family in public, which is a disgusting thing to do, but they're now decided to attack America's First Amendment rights of free speech.

00:32:45.000 Now, young Harry ought to read a bit of history because the last British royal that decided to tell the Americans exactly how they should and shouldn't live was George III, and it didn't end very well for him.

00:32:56.000 And I've got a sense: the first interview with Oprah, you know, of course, it's so unfair, isn't it?

00:33:02.000 He attacks effectively the Queen, and she can't answer.

00:33:05.000 And a lot of Americans thought, oh, isn't it horrible what's been done to them?

00:33:08.000 But now I think the more they open their mouths, the more Americans are waking up to what a terrible, self-seeking group they are, bunch they are.

00:33:15.000 And the level of disrespect they've shown the Queen is quite extraordinary.

00:33:19.000 The best quote on Harry, by the way, by Miles was about nine months ago when Donald Trump was asked about Harry.

00:33:26.000 And he said, I wish Harry a lot of nut because he's going to need it.

00:33:31.000 And I ask because we as Americans have, I think, probably not a very healthy fascination with the British royal family.

00:33:42.000 It's extraordinary.

00:33:42.000 Everywhere I go.

00:33:43.000 Everyone loves him.

00:33:44.000 Everyone.

00:33:45.000 You probably get asked more than anything else.

00:33:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:47.000 And of course, the more awful Harry is, the more people talk about the royal family.

00:33:51.000 Oh, the drama increases tenfold.

00:33:53.000 And the better the Queen looks. 1.00

00:33:54.000 That's exactly right. 1.00

00:33:55.000 I think Harry's a liar, and I think she's a liar. 1.00

00:33:58.000 Absolutely. 0.97

00:33:58.000 I don't think the incident they described happened. 0.97

00:34:01.000 I think it's a misinterpretation, exaggeration. 0.97

00:34:03.000 I think they're pathological and they're sociopathic. 0.61

00:34:06.000 And my big, I mean, I went viral because I called him a metrosexual whatever.

00:34:11.000 And I said that because who allows a family, a country, a dynasty that is so rooted in tradition and honor and duty, those three words, to just who does that publicly on American television for ratings and for a paycheck?

00:34:30.000 I consider that to be one of the highest acts of immorality when it comes towards family connections.

00:34:34.000 I'll tell you what's even more disgusting.

00:34:36.000 On February the 23rd, I was in London and I met the royal correspondent for ITV, one of our big TV stations.

00:34:42.000 I said, come on, what's the inside story?

00:34:44.000 He said, Philip is about to be transferred back to Windsor so that he can die in Windsor.

00:34:48.000 The 100th birthday celebrations for June 10th have been cancelled.

00:34:52.000 He's dying very, very shortly.

00:34:54.000 If I knew that on the 23rd of February, Harry and Megan knew that when they recorded that interview about seven or eight days ago.

00:35:01.000 At Oprah's palatial estate.

00:35:03.000 And why couldn't they wait?

00:35:04.000 Well, I'll tell you why they couldn't wait because the Netflix contract wouldn't wait.

00:35:08.000 They'd already signed it.

00:35:09.000 It had all been agreed.

00:35:10.000 And to do that when your own grandfather is at death's door, I can't even put into words the repulsion I feel about their behavior.

00:35:19.000 I totally agree.

00:35:20.000 And I think that that's the true silent majority that's going to come out of just how detestable it is.

00:35:27.000 So you're here in America for how long, Nigel?

00:35:28.000 I'm here with Freedom Works, grassroots conservative movement, going around the country, addressing groups of people every night.

00:35:34.000 We'll be here in Phoenix tomorrow night.

00:35:36.000 And we've got over a couple of thousand people booked to come already.

00:35:39.000 And they're coming to hear this message of optimism.

00:35:42.000 You've been through six tough months.

00:35:44.000 It's a six-week tour.

00:35:46.000 I'm just about keeping going.

00:35:48.000 One week to go.

00:35:50.000 And yeah, it is this message of how we've defeated socialism, we've defeated globalism, we're in a very good place, and this is where you can get to too.

00:35:58.000 And the lesson that I've derived is exactly what we're talking about on this show, that you lead with custom, history, tradition, something bigger than yourself, the nation.

00:36:07.000 America is a country, not a colony.

00:36:09.000 Economics matters, but that's not necessarily going to be the gateway towards success politically.

00:36:13.000 No, we also need two other qualities.

00:36:15.000 One is passion, because with passion comes since with passion comes sincerity, and the other is humor.

00:36:21.000 Let's all be happy warriors, because that is the way forward.

00:36:24.000 And the left is the most, they are the most unhappy winners I've ever seen.

00:36:28.000 Well, look at Prince Harry.

00:36:29.000 He used to be a real young lad.

00:36:32.000 Pictures of Harry dressing up and misbehaving, but everyone loved him.

00:36:35.000 But he was always smiling and fun.

00:36:37.000 This marriage to Megan hasn't made him look very happy, has it?

00:36:40.000 Marrying well is very important.

00:36:43.000 Well, you've just done it.

00:36:44.000 Well done, you.

00:36:45.000 Thank you.

00:36:46.000 All right.

00:36:46.000 Email us, everybody, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:48.000 Nigel, thank you for what you've done for our civilization.

00:36:51.000 The honest historians will write that a courageous man in 93 saw the need for a restoration of national sovereignty and self-governance.

00:36:58.000 And that movement is just being felt now, 27 years later, the year I was born.

00:37:03.000 And so we are reaping what you sowed a long time ago, truly, because you saw it coming.

00:37:08.000 Nigel, best wishes.

00:37:10.000 Thanks so much.

00:37:11.000 Thank you.

00:37:13.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:14.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:17.000 And if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:37:20.000 God bless you guys.

00:37:21.000 Speak to you, sir.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 25, 2021

How to Save Western Civilization with Nigel Farage

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