The Charlie Kirk Show - July 24, 2023


How to Save Your Children from Sex-Change Predators with Prisha Mosley and Dave Rubin

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On today's episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk sits down with Dave Rubin, who is pro-DeSantis and has been a long-time friend of Charlie's. They talk about the Trump administration, the Democratic Party, and the current state of the country.

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00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, a fun conversation with Dave Rubin, who is pro-DeSantis.
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00:01:59.000 I was watching the other day.
00:02:01.000 I'm actually not a huge Martin Luther King fan or whatever, super flawed guy.
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00:02:13.000 He was killed the next afternoon.
00:02:15.000 And he gave this speech, and he had just been like cheating with a bunch of different women.
00:02:19.000 Okay.
00:02:19.000 Yeah, he had a tendency to.
00:02:20.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:02:21.000 No, he was like sexually out of control. 0.62
00:02:24.000 But he gave this speech in which he clearly predicted his own death.
00:02:28.000 Like, there is no doubt if you listen to this that God is speaking through Martin Luther King.
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00:03:55.000 One of the things I don't like is how this primary is ruining some people's friendships.
00:04:02.000 I'm not going to let that happen.
00:04:03.000 People know where my loyalties personally lie.
00:04:06.000 And I got to tell you, there's some really great people that are advocating in different camps.
00:04:12.000 We need to keep those bonds strong for those bonds strong for just no other reasons than it's the right thing to do.
00:04:18.000 Great American and one of the sharpest minds in the movement, Dave Rubin, joins us.
00:04:22.000 Dave, welcome to the program.
00:04:24.000 Dave, how's this primary treating you?
00:04:26.000 I'm sure that it's been uplifting, fun, you know, and I'm sure you just want it to go on for another two years.
00:04:34.000 Well, first off, Charlie, I want to say that no matter what happens in this crazy circus that we are all endlessly sucked into and cannot get out of the orbit of, you and I were friends before all of this, and we will be friends after this, even if temporarily we're on, I don't even want to say opposite sides.
00:04:54.000 It seems that we're both, I would say, in different camps in terms of the same.
00:04:57.000 But we're on Team America, Dave.
00:04:58.000 We're just wearing different jerseys in the primary.
00:05:00.000 Is that fair to say?
00:05:02.000 That is fair to say.
00:05:02.000 And that's also why, and I think you were kind of getting to this in that intro there.
00:05:06.000 That's why it's been so disappointing to see the level of craziness, I would say, coming far more out of one side than another, which is defending itself for the most part.
00:05:17.000 Because I've really, really been trying.
00:05:20.000 And for the people, for your listeners and viewers that watch my show, I have really been trying to stay above the fray to the best of my ability.
00:05:27.000 I am not perfect at it, just like you are not perfect at it.
00:05:31.000 And often politics brings out the worst in all of us.
00:05:35.000 But I think the best we can do right now is fight for the things we believe in and the people that you think can accomplish those things at a political and cultural level.
00:05:44.000 That's what I'm doing.
00:05:45.000 That's what you're doing.
00:05:46.000 And that's what many other people are doing.
00:05:48.000 And hopefully if you do it with a degree of honesty and integrity, I think you'll survive either way.
00:05:53.000 And I think a lot of people are kind of putting that aside right now, which is unfortunate.
00:05:57.000 And Dave, we've done a lot of fun stuff together, and we're going to keep on doing it.
00:06:00.000 I mean, we went to UC Berkeley together, and you had your briefcase robbed from you in the early days of San Francisco.
00:06:06.000 Well, you didn't tell me I couldn't leave a bag in a car in San Francisco.
00:06:09.000 I was just before everyone knew.
00:06:10.000 That's right.
00:06:11.000 It was in a security car outside Morton's near the Transamerica building and Dave lost everything.
00:06:16.000 So Dave, I want to actually give our audience a fair opportunity here.
00:06:19.000 And this is not a gotcha in any way.
00:06:21.000 Just make the case for Governor DeSantis' policy agenda, how you think the campaign is going.
00:06:27.000 Obviously, we've been voicing my personal opinions on President Trump's agenda, what he's doing.
00:06:32.000 I want our audience to be able to hear all sides of it.
00:06:34.000 You're a very articulate, I could say, spokesperson for, not officially, but obviously advocate.
00:06:41.000 Kind of make the case, especially to our conservative audience.
00:06:44.000 And then secondly, how do you think his campaign is currently going?
00:06:47.000 Sure.
00:06:48.000 Well, first off, just to be clear, I'm not a spokesperson.
00:06:50.000 I am not paid for by the campaign or anything like that.
00:06:54.000 I would not, even if they offered me money, I wouldn't.
00:06:56.000 I'm doing what I think is right.
00:06:57.000 I tell people what I think for a living and my life, literally my life and the life of my family and my employees who are in this room and some who work remotely, but many of them who live in Florida and the two companies that I moved to Florida is all enriched by the things that Ron DeSantis has done here in the great state of Florida.
00:07:15.000 I left.
00:07:15.000 I don't know that anyone in the entire country left California, fled California more publicly than I did about a year and a half ago to move to the free state of Florida.
00:07:25.000 I would say, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
00:07:28.000 If you are a, I would say, right-leaning person, meaning you are, let's say, a disaffected liberal or you're a traditional religious conservative or you're a libertarian, something in that, or you're just, I said disaffected liberal, but you're just sort of an old school liberal who's a little confused about what time it is, say like an RFK type.
00:07:48.000 You, in essence, should be loving every single thing that Ron DeSantis has done.
00:07:52.000 I don't know one thing that Ron DeSantis has not done that we would have wanted him to do.
00:07:58.000 Florida is safe.
00:08:00.000 Its economy is absolutely booming.
00:08:02.000 We fund the police here.
00:08:04.000 We're getting ESG out of our institutions.
00:08:06.000 We've done that, which that's actually perhaps the biggest issue that people don't talk about that often because it's kind of in the weeds on how corporations are putting wokeness on all of us.
00:08:15.000 I know you talk about it, but the average person doesn't, and they certainly don't in corporate America.
00:08:19.000 He has fought Disney.
00:08:20.000 He has fought the endless racialization of our children by getting rid of this AP African American studies course that was in essence going to teach gender theory.
00:08:28.000 We've gotten some of these books that are sexualizing our children out of schools.
00:08:32.000 He has done literally everything that anyone right-leaning could believe in or could possibly want to happen.
00:08:40.000 I would say he's done one or two things that are a little bit more right-leaning than I would believe.
00:08:45.000 Oh, they're perfect for me, Dave.
00:08:46.000 I got to say, I love that stuff.
00:08:48.000 No, no, absolutely.
00:08:50.000 So, for example, Charlie, I'll give you one that you agree with DeSantis more than I do, which is the abortion one.
00:08:55.000 For me, Florida had 15-week abortion ban, and I've been to every Republican event in the year and a half since I've been here, and I never heard anyone complaining about it.
00:09:05.000 DeSantis often said that he personally was pro-life.
00:09:09.000 And by the way, it's completely within his jurisdiction as the chief executive of the state, especially when you win by a freaking crazy 1.6 million vote landslide, 20%, to do what you think is right.
00:09:21.000 And he has the supermajority in the state Senate to make that happen.
00:09:24.000 So he switched it to six.
00:09:26.000 Now, I think it's possible that will hurt him in the general election.
00:09:31.000 I think at the primary, it probably a little bit works in his favor.
00:09:34.000 But I know he did what he thought was right.
00:09:36.000 And that's what he believes he should use his power to do as the governor.
00:09:40.000 So I have a disagreement with him on that, but I think that's fine.
00:09:44.000 But I would ask you, is there anything that Ron DeSantis, you're at least a part of the family?
00:09:49.000 No, he's America's greatest governor.
00:09:51.000 I've said that.
00:09:52.000 And by the way, I've said that repeatedly.
00:09:54.000 And some people say, oh, you're anti-DeSantis.
00:09:56.000 I said, I'm not anti-DeSantis.
00:09:57.000 I've said he's America's greatest governor.
00:09:59.000 But let me ask you, Dave.
00:10:00.000 Is there anything?
00:10:02.000 What would you say would be your biggest complaint?
00:10:04.000 My biggest complaint is the last six months he's allowing consultants and Chamber of Commerce folks to run his campaign.
00:10:09.000 He doesn't sound like the Ron DeSantis of last year.
00:10:11.000 I'll just be very honest.
00:10:13.000 So we can talk about the campaigns that you create.
00:10:16.000 Give me like a specific example of what that is.
00:10:19.000 The Ukraine language, right?
00:10:20.000 So the Ukraine language, he was kind of dilly-dalling and flip-flopping on that.
00:10:24.000 At first, he was great.
00:10:25.000 His instinct was territorial dispute.
00:10:27.000 Then he's talking about more weapons for Zelensky and all that.
00:10:31.000 But honestly, it's also just kind of a vibe and a tone, Dave, where the base, for example, I'll give you another example.
00:10:37.000 His mishandling of the Trump indictment.
00:10:40.000 I said that Ron DeSantis should have gone down to Miami, done a press conference, showed that, hey, this is my state.
00:10:46.000 Hey, Vivek Ramaswamy did it.
00:10:47.000 He ascended in the polls, and now Vivek and DeSantis are dying.
00:10:50.000 Vivek is working with Trump, and everyone knows that.
00:10:52.000 Hold on a second, but you're not going to win the primary unless you understand Trump has a bait has a built-in 50 to 60%.
00:11:00.000 But hold on.
00:11:00.000 But if you listen to what DeSantis' words were related to the indictment, he said he would not, on the first indictment, he said he would not extradite him.
00:11:08.000 And he's gone out of his way saying he's going to destroy the very agencies.
00:11:11.000 I think has been more core in the world.
00:11:14.000 No, his policy has been fine.
00:11:15.000 But let me tell you how the base heard it, Dave.
00:11:17.000 The base heard this.
00:11:18.000 And it might not even be fair.
00:11:19.000 I'm just telling you how the base heard it, right?
00:11:21.000 Because remember, the base is like a lover scorned.
00:11:23.000 They hear one thing from a politician like Paul Ryan or Boehner and Lindsey Graham.
00:11:27.000 So they have a heightened sense of distrust.
00:11:29.000 And they love Trump.
00:11:30.000 And that's not going to change.
00:11:31.000 They heard Ron DeSantis go out of his way the first time to say, well, I don't know really what goes into payoffs to playback.
00:11:39.000 I'm not even saying that's fair.
00:11:41.000 That was just a joke. 0.99
00:11:42.000 And Trump makes silly jokes and sex jokes about everything like that. 0.97
00:11:46.000 The laws of Trump don't apply to everyone else, Dave. 0.99
00:11:48.000 You know that.
00:11:49.000 We're in this.
00:11:49.000 It's a different primary, right?
00:11:52.000 The laws, the guy is levitates.
00:11:53.000 He's a once in a 200-year, you know, he says, I'm going to shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue, and he goes up in the polls.
00:11:58.000 He attacks Kaylee McEnany.
00:12:00.000 He's not a politician at this point.
00:12:02.000 He's something beyond a politician, which I also think there's a certain demagoguery that's somewhat dangerous related to that.
00:12:08.000 But by the way, again, you know, I voted for Trump and I like for the most part.
00:12:13.000 Yeah.
00:12:14.000 No, and I just, so that was another thing.
00:12:16.000 And then finally, I know that I'm a little biased when very biased.
00:12:20.000 When Ron DeSantis didn't show up at our event, that bothered me, right?
00:12:23.000 It wasn't some sort of gotcha or trap.
00:12:25.000 I think he would have done very well.
00:12:27.000 I don't think he would have gotten booed or anything.
00:12:29.000 But here's what I would like to see out of DeSantis.
00:12:31.000 You know, when we go to a college campus, you say, hey, if you disagree, go to the front of the line.
00:12:35.000 I want to say, I want to see somebody get in the arena and say, hey, I'm willing to throw out the script.
00:12:40.000 I'm willing to just take any question.
00:12:42.000 I'm willing to kind of just fight.
00:12:43.000 It's more kind of total and attitudinal.
00:12:46.000 Dave, your reaction.
00:12:47.000 Sure.
00:12:48.000 So look, if in essence, and we'll pick it up after the break, if in essence your point is, oh, I agree with virtually all of the policies and nobody has accomplished more than this guy and done everything I want to do, but there's a little bit of a marketing issue here.
00:13:00.000 All right, I'll go with you on that.
00:13:01.000 And I think that can be dealt with.
00:13:02.000 But we'll pick it up on the other side.
00:13:04.000 Well, look, I will say this.
00:13:06.000 The base is very smart, and they're constantly looking in a way of who's going to betray me next.
00:13:13.000 This is the advice I gave the DeSantis privately and publicly.
00:13:16.000 And right now, the Rubicon has been crossed where they think DeSantis is going to betray him.
00:13:19.000 I'm not even saying that's fair, but I'm not saying it's fair.
00:13:22.000 Charlie, I mean, Trump has done far more to betray the truth and in a certain way, the respect of the base every time he lies about DeSantis, right?
00:13:33.000 So when he lies about COVID and Florida, who was the best governor for COVID in the country?
00:13:39.000 DeSantis, 100%.
00:13:40.000 But this is the first time that Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump?
00:13:47.000 For Paul Ryan?
00:13:49.000 I can't speak either way.
00:13:51.000 But at the same time, we could talk about it again after the break.
00:13:54.000 I can't speak either way.
00:13:55.000 I mean, I can show you plenty of videos of Trump talking about how much he loves.
00:13:58.000 But Dave, I'm going to tell you, this line of what you're getting at is not persuasive to the base.
00:14:03.000 And I'll explain why after the break.
00:14:06.000 I'm telling you the truth.
00:14:06.000 I'm not trying to persuade anybody.
00:14:08.000 I'm just telling you.
00:14:09.000 Okay, but no, lecturing the base is not how you win a primary.
00:14:12.000 And what you're doing is why he's losing, because they want to hear not necessarily the little things Trump got wrong.
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00:15:34.000 Continue with us is a good friend of mine, Dave Rubin.
00:15:37.000 We've done a lot of stuff together throughout the years, the Rubin Report.
00:15:40.000 David, Dave, I did not mean to cut you off.
00:15:42.000 Please finish the argument.
00:15:44.000 No, it's all good.
00:15:44.000 And Charlie, really, like, this is, we would do this over drinks.
00:15:47.000 I want people to understand that.
00:15:49.000 Like there is something that transcends politics here.
00:15:51.000 Well, let me ask you something, because one thing that I've been confused, sort of going off what you said right before the break, was that he's sort of, that DeSantis has like handed this off to that class of people or something.
00:16:02.000 Do you, is it your position that Ron DeSantis has anything to do with Karl Rove or Paul Ryan?
00:16:09.000 Oh, no, I don't think that's the only thing that's because Donald Trump says that Donald Trump says that repeatedly, and that's what all the tweet people think says that.
00:16:15.000 But Dave, I'll be honest, he's acting like.
00:16:17.000 I'm just asking you your opinion.
00:16:18.000 He's acting like he might as well because he's acting and talking like Karl Rove is running his campaign.
00:16:23.000 No, no.
00:16:23.000 No, no, hold on, hold on.
00:16:25.000 Do you have any evidence or any reason to believe that Karl Rove or Paul Ryan have anything to do with Ron DeSantis?
00:16:31.000 No, except for the fact that Fox has been very favorable to DeSantis and Paul Ryan sits on the board.
00:16:36.000 But that seems like a reach.
00:16:37.000 And so what I'm not going to do, Dave, is I'm not going to go through every truth social and go through all that with Trump saying that.
00:16:44.000 No, no, no, no, we don't have to blood politics.
00:16:48.000 Sure, we don't have to go through all of that.
00:16:50.000 But it is important, I think, to some degree, because I agree with what you're saying about the base in their passion for Donald Trump and why it's important and shouldn't be ignored.
00:17:00.000 And by the way, when I'm frustrated with some of the surrogates, let's say, or some of Trump's behavior lying about Florida and COVID, that sort of thing, that's a direct frustration.
00:17:09.000 It's not a frustration with the people that support him.
00:17:12.000 But for example, I mean, I have the exact quote right here from DeSantis about a month ago.
00:17:16.000 I actually did a little research before I joined you today.
00:17:18.000 This is a direct quote from DeSantis.
00:17:20.000 I have not spoken to Paul Ryan since I was elected governor, and I've met Karl Rove once.
00:17:26.000 I really think it's important that your viewers who are the base understand that because if you listen to any of the surrogates and Donald Trump himself, they're implying that he's somehow working with these people and that they are in charge of his campaign and everything else.
00:17:40.000 And it's simply not true.
00:17:42.000 Okay.
00:17:42.000 And I think that that's important to note.
00:17:45.000 But no, that's fair.
00:17:47.000 I'm glad we cleared that up.
00:17:49.000 DeSantis has gotten favorable treatment on Fox and Paul Ryan as a board member there.
00:17:53.000 But let me put that aside.
00:17:55.000 Let me just say, though, the type of campaign.
00:17:58.000 Trump was on with Brett Baer, what, two weeks ago?
00:18:01.000 Fair enough.
00:18:02.000 I would say, though, that was a mostly peaceful interview, as we would say.
00:18:05.000 But let me just put it with the type of campaign I want DeSantis to run is like Vivek, which is there needs to be a sign of respect towards Trump that I don't feel with from DeSantis.
00:18:16.000 I'll be very honest.
00:18:17.000 DeSantis is a governor thanks to Donald Trump.
00:18:19.000 That primary was not going well for him, right?
00:18:22.000 So he's challenging the alpha beast, right?
00:18:24.000 He's challenging the guy that did kind of anoint him to win the primary and eventually the general.
00:18:31.000 Viveka's smart.
00:18:32.000 Viveka's reading the room that these indictments, the amount of criminalization of Trump really increases people's fervor of the injustice towards him.
00:18:42.000 So DeSantis has a choice.
00:18:43.000 Do you run kind of a policy technocratic campaign, which is what he's running, and I don't think it's going very well?
00:18:49.000 Or do you read the room and you realize the base has an attachment to Trump and I'm going to respect that?
00:18:56.000 It seems as if it's in some kind of murky middle.
00:18:58.000 I guess my question is, Dave, how do you think the campaign is going?
00:19:01.000 Right.
00:19:01.000 Well, I would say that, first off, just quickly on the Vivek thing, because I don't want to spend too much time on that.
00:19:06.000 I mean, it's fairly obvious to anyone paying attention that Trump and Vivek are coordinating, right?
00:19:10.000 Vivek is doing endless attacks on DeSantis, no attacks on Trump, and all of the Trump surrogates online, you know who they are, they're always pumping up Vivek because Vivek's going after DeSantis.
00:19:22.000 Also, if I was to believe any of the polls, and national polls, by the way, mean absolutely nothing, we're also seven months away from the first primary.
00:19:29.000 I mean, really think about that.
00:19:30.000 Like the first primary isn't until January of next year, and everyone's going crazy as if, oh my God, on any given day, like the whole world is going to spin out of control.
00:19:41.000 You would never, you would never, if you were so confident of your lead, you would never spend all day attacking the number two guy.
00:19:48.000 So that's just a little insider political jockeying however I will agree with you that in terms of some of the strategy of the rollout, they probably should have been more aggressive.
00:19:57.000 I do see that changing.
00:19:58.000 Look, DeSantis just went on Russell Brand last week.
00:20:02.000 He just went on CNN for the first time last week.
00:20:04.000 I think he's doing Megan Kelly this week, if I'm not mistaken.
00:20:08.000 And she's been very, very critical of him.
00:20:10.000 Russell's a lefty.
00:20:11.000 I mean, he certainly is, you know, no one that you would call a traditional conservative by any stretch.
00:20:16.000 I would love to see him go on the view, sit directly with those women and call out their endless lies about Florida.
00:20:22.000 You know, Anna Navarro, who lives in Miami, who rails against Florida every day. 0.99
00:20:27.000 He should sit right next to her and call her out.
00:20:30.000 So if your question is really, do you want to take some of the anger that the base has because of the way Trump's being treated and he's being treated horribly?
00:20:39.000 And I completely agree with that.
00:20:40.000 It's righteous.
00:20:41.000 I agree.
00:20:42.000 I agree.
00:20:42.000 There's probably some way to do that.
00:20:44.000 But I would also say to some extent, if you just want to view this, if you just want to view this in the political lens, maybe this is why Trump should stop lying about DeSantis every which way.
00:20:54.000 And you know he is.
00:20:56.000 Everything he says about DeSantis is a lie.
00:20:59.000 Everything he says about it.
00:21:00.000 I'll be honest, it's also a lie when DeSantis goes after Trump and says he was pro-Fauci and all that.
00:21:06.000 That's just not true.
00:21:07.000 And it is.
00:21:10.000 We're out of time.
00:21:10.000 Dave Rubin, thanks so much.
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00:24:19.000 Okay, really important discussion that we're going to have here.
00:24:23.000 It's a sensitive topic and there's some pending legal challenges around it.
00:24:27.000 So we sent out this tweet and it's gone totally viral.
00:24:31.000 So joining us now is Prisha Mosley, who is a detransitioner, and attorney Josh Payne, who is the attorney for Prisha.
00:24:40.000 And I sent out this tweet.
00:24:42.000 Both of you, by the way, welcome to the program.
00:24:45.000 I said this tweet up. 1.00
00:24:46.000 Prisha Mosley is a 25-year-old North Carolina woman who is suing the doctors who aided her sex change. 1.00
00:24:52.000 According to Prisha, these doctors approved cross-sex hormones and a double mastectomy after consultation as brief as two minutes. 0.94
00:24:58.000 They also told her taking testosterone shots would allow her to, quote, grow a penis.
00:25:03.000 In reality, Prisha was just a 15-year-old battling depression, anxiety, and anorexia. 0.96
00:25:08.000 Her parents fought against her transition, but were steamrolled by enablers, posing as medical professionals.
00:25:13.000 Prisha and Josh, welcome to the program.
00:25:16.000 I understand there's some legal sensitivities around all this.
00:25:19.000 And so, Prisha, tell us in your own words your story and why you're pursuing a lawsuit.
00:25:26.000 So, my story is that I was a very troubled teenage girl.
00:25:32.000 I had a very sudden, hard, and strong puberty.
00:25:36.000 And basically, my body grew faster than my brain.
00:25:40.000 I started receiving attention from boys and men who just wanted to touch me.
00:25:49.000 And then at 14, I actually experienced a sexual assault, which led to a miscarriage and totally divorced me from womanhood.
00:25:59.000 And then at 15, I was online in the pro-ANA community, and that's a self-harm community where people have anorexia and enable each other.
00:26:12.000 And transgender adults came into the community and started telling us that we couldn't eat because we were born in the wrong body and we were boys.
00:26:22.000 And eventually, you know, after hearing an onslaught of this for so long and proof, you know, I ended up believing it.
00:26:31.000 And I was desperate for a cure.
00:26:33.000 I was suicidal and had attempted.
00:26:36.000 And I just wanted to feel better.
00:26:38.000 So I eventually just believed it.
00:26:41.000 I came out to my parents and I was met by medical professionals who said the same exact thing: you know, you have a disease.
00:26:49.000 You were born in the wrong body, you know, you, and so on and so forth. 0.98
00:26:55.000 And I'm bringing a legal case because I've come to realize that I'm not a boy.
00:27:00.000 I wasn't born in the wrong body. 0.85
00:27:03.000 I was mentally ill. 0.93
00:27:04.000 I needed therapy.
00:27:06.000 I needed someone to care for me.
00:27:08.000 Kindness, love.
00:27:10.000 I didn't need medicalization, but that's what happened.
00:27:14.000 It's a very powerful and, by the way, courageous testimony that you have.
00:27:18.000 Josh, you're the attorney for Prisha.
00:27:20.000 Josh, can you fill us in on who Prisha is suing and what is the complaint basically detailed?
00:27:29.000 That's right, Charlie.
00:27:30.000 As we allege in the complaint, Prisha is seeking justice because she feels that she was deceived and misled into a medicalized gender transition of being placed on what they call cross-sex hormone therapy, 0.97
00:27:48.000 which in actuality is injecting large amounts of testosterone, the male hormone, into her female body, and also having her healthy breasts removed by a plastic surgeon at age 18 after she was put on the testosterone at age 17.
00:28:08.000 And Prisha is suing the doctors and the counselors who were involved in leading her down this path.
00:28:17.000 And the tragedy of it is that it happened and Prisha was left with her mental health issues unresolved, contrary to the promises that were made that these medical interventions would, in fact, cure her mental health problems and issues, and that they were a treatment for those mental health issues.
00:28:41.000 But as alleged in the complaint, that did not happen.
00:28:45.000 Prisha was left with her mental health still untreated and unresolved and with additional significant mental and emotional injuries.
00:28:57.000 And of course, the physical injuries that were brought about by her being on testosterone for years and without her body parts.
00:29:07.000 So I just need to editorialize for a second.
00:29:10.000 There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of other young people that are now walking into the same circumstances that Prisha was nine years ago.
00:29:19.000 So Prisha, can you, and to the best of your ability, and obviously feel free to answer this how you see fit given the pending lawsuit, can you walk through some of the promises that were made to you by medical professionals as when you started to take testosterone or go through some of these mutilation procedures?
00:29:42.000 I was promised male puberty and instead I got menopause.
00:29:48.000 I was promised the idea of a normal functioning male body because I had a male brain and also aligning them would cure all of my mental health problems because the idea was that everything was caused by having a brain and body misalignment. 0.83
00:30:08.000 I was promised that I would grow a penis when I went to my pediatric endocrinologist and complained of pain down there, you know, due to the injections. 0.79
00:30:24.000 She was like, yeah, that's male puberty. 0.99
00:30:26.000 You're growing a penis. 0.99
00:30:29.000 And so this was nine years ago when you started this process. 0.99
00:30:34.000 At what point did you start to feel regret or questioning what the medical professionals were telling you?
00:30:45.000 It took a very long time to get out of the delusion, you know, and also get out of denial, even once I began to feel that, because, you know, it's such an investment to make and it's such a big loss if you accept that it was for nothing.
00:31:02.000 But I made my video where I came out last fall.
00:31:07.000 I believe it was in October.
00:31:09.000 And that's really when things began to turn around for me.
00:31:13.000 But to be honest, I'm as I'm working through things and my mental health, I'm still uncovering memories and my health continues to change and deteriorate and it's not going well.
00:31:29.000 Can you add, so nine years later, you have ongoing health issues.
00:31:34.000 So let me ask Josh, what are the potential damages that you are asking for here in the public complaint?
00:31:43.000 Yes, as we allege in the complaint, Prisha suffered physical harm, mental and emotional harm, and she's seeking, as you say, the legal term is monetary damages to make her whole and to try to piece her life back together in a way that involves some kind of thriving and flourishing,
00:32:10.000 even though Prisha realizes she can't go back and have her young, youthful, healthy body back.
00:32:18.000 She can't have those years back.
00:32:21.000 She can't have her breasts back. 0.99
00:32:23.000 All of that is gone.
00:32:25.000 And she is seeking damages from these defendants, but it's about holding them accountable and trying to prevent this tragedy from happening to anyone else and sending that message.
00:32:38.000 These lawsuits are so important, and these mutilators need to be sued into the ninth circle of hell.
00:32:43.000 Josh, let me ask you, what is the precedent here?
00:32:46.000 I'm guessing these kind of lawsuits are somewhat new now that we have this wave of once adolescents, now adults that are having serious regret.
00:32:55.000 Is there case law that is a precedent here, decisions, settlements, or are you guys kind of on the frontier, especially in the state of North Carolina, with this complaint?
00:33:06.000 As far as we know, this is the first case of its kind in North Carolina, and there are only a few of these cases nationwide.
00:33:16.000 And our firm, Campbell Miller-Payne, was founded this year to serve individuals like Prisha who believe they have been harmed. 0.88
00:33:24.000 And we have other cases in the works, including a case that was filed on Friday in Texas.
00:33:33.000 So people are coming forward like Prisha. 0.99
00:33:36.000 They are explaining that what happened to them is not okay, that it involved deception and that they were misled into a medicalized path.
00:33:48.000 And they are seeking justice to hold their health care providers accountable and to try to prevent this tragedy from happening to anyone else.
00:33:57.000 So the cases are new, but of course, we're drawing on a familiar legal claim in terms of deception and medical malpractice.
00:34:09.000 And for parents out there, I hope this is just a warning for you.
00:34:12.000 This is not an isolated incident.
00:34:14.000 We do not know to the extent, but rough estimations are that tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of young kids are engaging in this form of medical mutilation in some way, shape, or form.
00:34:27.000 It's big business and it's sick.
00:34:29.000 We will continue in just a second with this extraordinary story.
00:34:33.000 Prisha Mausley and Josh Payne.
00:34:35.000 And I want to just read more of the tweet that I sent out.
00:34:39.000 One of Prisha's counselors, Dr. Martha Perry, even met in her dietician's office to keep the meeting secret from her parents.
00:34:48.000 Now, nine years later, Prisha has been physically mutilated with a deep masculine voice, facial hair, damaged vagina, pain in her neck and shoulders, and missing breasts. 0.82
00:34:58.000 She will most likely never be able to have children. 0.98
00:35:02.000 Prisha's story should never have happened. 0.82
00:35:05.000 Every state in the country should ban these child mutilating procedures, but those bans might be thrown out by certain judges, so we need a backup plan.
00:35:13.000 Every red state should also pass laws making it easier for patients to sue these quote-unquote doctors who tore up their bodies and exploited their teenage vulnerability to turn a profit.
00:35:25.000 We must end childhood mutilation in America. 0.78
00:35:28.000 I'll just say this: for years, I was lectured by neoconservatives that female genital mutilation in the Middle East is wrong, only for us to bring it here and call it trans affirming therapy.
00:35:42.000 Prisha, I want to ask: I know that you were estranged from your parents for seven years, but you're now reconciling with them.
00:35:48.000 What are your advice for parents that might be currently be pressured for their children to take these treatments or therapies?
00:35:56.000 So, this is where I teach the message of validation versus affirmation.
00:36:01.000 You need to validate your child.
00:36:03.000 So, don't tell them, you know, no, you don't feel like a boy at all, you know, even though it's, you know, real versus true.
00:36:12.000 So, you know, they might really feel like they're a boy and their distress is real.
00:36:16.000 Gender dysphoria is real, but the cure is not cutting off your body parts.
00:36:21.000 So, validate them, say, I'm sure you feel that way.
00:36:25.000 I'm sure you're suffering and I'm sure you're in pain.
00:36:27.000 Let's correct that.
00:36:28.000 Let's help you and let's love you.
00:36:30.000 Because if you don't give them validation and you shut them down completely, there are arms open and waiting to give them affirmation.
00:36:38.000 And affirmation says not only, yes, you are experiencing that, but all of your thoughts are true.
00:36:44.000 They are real and true.
00:36:46.000 You are a boy, and you are born in the wrong body and messed up and need to be medicalized. 0.74
00:36:52.000 So, part that it's really powerful.
00:36:54.000 You were given testosterone.
00:36:56.000 Can you just tell us what that was like?
00:36:59.000 According to your complaint, your doctors didn't tell you what would happen when you went on testosterone.
00:37:04.000 What ended up happening when you started to take an equivalent of TRT therapy?
00:37:09.000 So, the first change was actually to my genitals. 0.66
00:37:13.000 There was increased sensitivity that was incredibly painful and growth that is just horrible.
00:37:24.000 It's impossible to touch.
00:37:26.000 It even affects the clothes I have to wear. 1.00
00:37:29.000 And following that was the atrophy to the rest of the vagina. 1.00
00:37:35.000 That makes it very difficult to penetrate. 1.00
00:37:37.000 And if there is penetration, that often results in tearing and bleeding.
00:37:43.000 There are also changes to my voice.
00:37:45.000 The way my voice sounds right now is a conscious decision, and it is a strain.
00:37:50.000 It hurts my throat.
00:37:51.000 I can no longer sing.
00:37:54.000 I'm in pain all of the time.
00:37:56.000 My shoulders burn.
00:37:57.000 My neck burns.
00:37:58.000 My bones and joints ache.
00:38:02.000 And I just have like lowered pain tolerance, it feels like.
00:38:08.000 Pretty much, I feel like every part of my body has changed.
00:38:12.000 Even the texture of my skin and hair is no longer me or mine.
00:38:17.000 Looking back when you were a teenager and you considered doing this, do you feel as if that your parents were involved in the decision-making process or were they somewhat shut out?
00:38:29.000 Absolutely not.
00:38:30.000 I mean, I recall the appointment, the brief appointment with the gender therapist who gave me my letter of recommendation for testosterone.
00:38:40.000 My father looked like he was in shock, and my mother was just like weeping, weeping.
00:38:46.000 And I found out recently that when they chased her out of the room, when she was crying, they said, It's time to be happy about a boy.
00:38:58.000 They also asked them in front of me, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?
00:39:04.000 My parents trusted doctors.
00:39:06.000 That's normal.
00:39:09.000 They were manipulated and blackmailed.
00:39:11.000 I feel like their consent was stolen from them.
00:39:14.000 Prisha, I want to say you're a very brave person.
00:39:17.000 And if there's anything we can do to help you in the lawsuit, we're 100% behind it.
00:39:20.000 You are not alone.
00:39:21.000 There will be tens of thousands of mutilated children that become adults that will look back on the harm that these people did to them. 0.99
00:39:29.000 It's one of the number one stories in America, and Precia, we're 100% behind you.
00:39:33.000 And thank you, Josh, for representing her so well.
00:39:35.000 Thank you.
00:39:39.000 This is not an isolated incident.
00:39:41.000 Governor Asa Hutchinson, when he was governor of Arkansas, he said that was perfectly fine.
00:39:45.000 He said that if you're in the tradition of Ronald Reagan, who are we to get in the way of doctors?
00:39:50.000 Trust parents.
00:39:52.000 There are tens of thousands, soon to be hundreds of thousands of children that will have irreversibly medically mutilated themselves under this idea of gender-affirming care. 0.78
00:40:03.000 It's not some sort of fringe thing.
00:40:05.000 The Association of Pediatrics endorsed this.
00:40:07.000 The American Medical Association.
00:40:09.000 We are seeing one of the great assaults on puberty and childhood development in the history of humanity.
00:40:17.000 Will we do something about it?
00:40:19.000 That is the question.
00:40:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:40:21.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:40:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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