Larry Schweikert is a filmmaker, historian, best-selling author, filmmaker, rock drummer, and America's History teacher. He is a New York Times bestselling author, best selling author, documentary maker, and rock drummer. Larry has a unique perspective on the current political landscape, and he gives us his 30,000-foot view of the future of the country.
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00:01:18.000We had him on when I think in the campaign season quite a bit with Charlie ahead of 2024.
00:01:26.000And he had a way of looking at things that will make you think.
00:01:29.000And if you are prepared or willing to blackpill right now, don't.
00:01:34.000Because there's actually things you need to be looking at that will give you hope, optimism, whether that's the midterms heading into 2028 about deportation.
00:01:42.000That's Larry Schweikert, the real Larry Schweikert.
00:01:46.000Again, he's an author, historian, PhD, New York Times, number one best-selling author, filmmaker, rock drummer, America's history teacher.
00:02:21.000I don't want to, man, hitting a bison would probably really.
00:02:24.000Yeah, I think about that sometimes as well.
00:02:26.000You know, like I sort of bemoan the loss of the real West, the frontier, but then I think, you know, I'm, you know, contending with grizzly bears and actual wolves and bison would not be.
00:02:37.000I'm a German by heritage, so I feel that like deep deepness in my soul.
00:02:41.000If you fly over like Europe and you see everything subdivided into little plots of like developed land, so you like we conquered the West.
00:02:48.000I like going to South Dakota and just seeing agriculture as far as the eye can be.
00:03:52.000And so far, the number is 30 Rs and now 25 Ds.
00:03:56.000And I think some of those R's have already been replaced or are being replaced, like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:04:02.000So I think when all the redistricting is done, the Republicans are going to have a four or five seat lock on the House because there are just not enough toss-up states to make a difference.
00:04:17.000The Republicans are already sitting at around 210 to 212 solid, safe seats.
00:04:23.000And so when you look at all the redistricting and so forth, you're probably already over 218.
00:04:29.000In terms of voter registration, this has been moving toward Republicans for almost 18 straight months, and Democrats have no answer for this.
00:04:41.000So they kept saying, well, wait till 2026 and the numbers start to come out.
00:04:52.000Every single county in Arizona moved to the right, including Pima, which has lost almost one full percent of its Democrat lead in the last year and a half.
00:05:07.000You can't find one state where Democrats are consistently putting up any winning numbers.
00:05:14.000They're all moving to Republicans to the point that in North Carolina, that state became a red state last month, which it's astounding.
00:05:24.000It was Democrat plus 175,000 in 2025, 2024.
00:05:32.000Florida, obviously, is now off the charts.
00:05:34.000It's 1.4 million Republicans advantage.
00:05:38.000But every state where we can measure it is moving right.
00:05:41.000And I think that's a terrifying omen for Democrats.
00:05:47.000So you go up to Minnesota, and I've harped on this.
00:05:52.000I think Minnesota is ground zero for breaking the entire Democrat Party, the voter fraud, and obviously the illegal immigration fraud up there.
00:06:05.000I think that its tentacles stretch to every other state, but particularly to California, which is the big enchilada.
00:06:14.000That'll be the one to be targeted after Minnesota falls.
00:06:56.000Meanwhile, Turning Point Action is building a standing army of ballot chasers in what we're calling the Red Wall, New Hampshire, where we have an advantage, more conservatives than liberals.
00:07:06.000It's the independent vote that'll swing that state.
00:07:08.000But still, it's a really good sign that you have more registered Republicans.
00:07:11.000And we're going to keep doing that work, by the way, New Hampshire.
00:07:51.000I'm glad you brought up Nevada and New Hampshire.
00:07:55.000These are two of the states that Seth Keschel and I follow a lot.
00:07:59.000New Hampshire has moved almost more than a half point redder than it was in 2024, November.
00:08:07.000Nevada has now flipped to a red state, not by a lot, by about 3,000, but it was 18,000 Democrat lead in 2024, and it was 88,000 in 2020.
00:08:22.000So everywhere you look, these numbers are marching steadily toward the Republicans.
00:08:27.000Now, you mentioned Indies, and the independents, of course, are important everywhere.
00:08:32.000But one thing that I think these numbers are telling us is that people do not want to be associated in any way, shape, or form with the Democrat Party.
00:08:41.000It is as toxic as any party in American history has ever been.
00:08:48.000They leave the Democrats in step one and step two, they become Republicans.
00:08:53.000So I think we're in phenomenal shape as far as that goes.
00:08:58.000What's your vibe on the independents when it comes specifically to this topic of immigration?
00:09:04.000If anybody's going to get weak on it, if they're going to give in to the Saab stories, I think the conservative base has developed antibodies and immunities from the same old tactics of the left-wing ink that gets spilled.
00:09:18.000Obama comes out with this statement talking about massed agents and they're rightly upset and we need to, our values are under assault more than ever before.
00:09:34.000Independents, where are they at on immigration?
00:09:37.000They are probably far more susceptible to these kinds of heartstring messages.
00:09:43.000But the good news is that independents are all over the map in terms of what is the most important issue to them, because usually it almost always comes down to the economy.
00:09:54.000And so if the economy, as it has already done, continues to pick up, you start to see more and more jobs.
00:12:22.000Do we have enough time to sort of see those gains and that growth in the GDP and real wages catch up with inflation to the point where we get electorally rewarded?
00:12:34.000Not all prices are falling, but I can look at my gas price on the corner.
00:12:38.000It's already dropped by 50 or 60 cents since the last year.
00:12:43.000And we have gas from California, which is always 20 or 30 cents higher.
00:12:48.000The stickiest part of all prices is not the grocery store, although that's still a little bit high, but it's in housing.
00:12:55.000And we have this disconnect in the housing market that is in partially due to having illegals involved in the entire housing market, all that kind of stuff.
00:13:23.000We don't need to win them by five or six points.
00:13:25.000We need to win them by one point because, as I say, the Republicans are winning the voter registration game almost everywhere.
00:13:34.000So, yeah, and I'm looking at some numbers here, 275, if you want to throw it up.
00:13:39.000But it looks like, you know, we're getting good numbers on transportation, utilities, but education, housing, health care, having a family, those are all tricky, right?
00:13:50.000And those are not numbers that you can move quickly.
00:14:27.000Because I hope those models aren't looking at like, you know, Hispanic votes from 2024 because we've lost a little bit of ground off those numbers.
00:14:35.000Well, the constantly shifting redistricting numbers show that North Carolina has added two red.
00:15:08.000You have arguably five in California, but as you mentioned, that's being challenged.
00:15:13.000And California is a little tricky because in order to get those districts, they've had to cannibalize some very, very close Democrat districts.
00:15:23.000So I don't think it's a given that all five of those end up in Republican in Democrat hands, or I don't think it's they may get all five of those and lose one or two others.
00:15:34.000So I don't think it's necessarily a net gain of five in California for Democrats.
00:15:42.000I don't know what else you can say about them.
00:15:45.000When I go through all the numbers, and again, they keep shifting.
00:15:48.000I look at the GOP gaining between two and four more seats in redistricting, which would put us up in the neighborhood of 216, 217.
00:15:59.000But then you have the elephant in the room, which is the racial redistricting decision coming from the Supreme Court.
00:16:06.000And what no one can answer me, and I've asked this to my court guru, Zen Master.
00:16:11.000I've asked it to other people who deal with the court.
00:16:14.000How many of the racial redistricting seats are going to be covered in the seats that have already been redistricted in many of these states?
00:16:24.000And nobody can give me an answer on that.
00:17:52.000Seth Keschell has said twice that Minnesota would have voted for Trump had it not been for all the fraudulent votes there.
00:18:00.000That's something else to keep in mind, a reason to win in Minnesota.
00:18:03.000Yeah, well, and certainly the demographic replacement immigration with all the Somalis is certainly playing a role there too.
00:18:09.000Larry Schweikert, thank you for the white pill.
00:18:12.000Now we're going to have Mark Halperin on for the black pill.
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00:19:29.000Mark, welcome back to the show, editor-in-chief of 2-ATV and host of Next Up on the Megan Kelly Network.
00:19:35.000Mark, you have a very, you are one of the most, I would say, plugged in commentators, thinkers about this space.
00:19:45.000I'm fully expecting you to give me bad news about the politics of deportation, that we're losing the information battle, especially with what's going on with this recent shooting.
00:19:59.000It's clear that the White House, after getting a lot of input, including directly to the president this weekend, are shifting, and it's happening in real time with Caroline's briefing.
00:20:11.000One is to make Homans the face of this, as opposed to Secretary Noam.
00:20:17.000And he's headed to Minnesota, and I'll be curious to see how much TV he's doing as compared to Secretary Noam and Stephen Miller.
00:20:24.000Two is to acknowledge that there need to be changes in how this goes to minimize the chances that there are images that are damaging to the president's agenda and to this mission.
00:20:37.000And there's no doubt they've been damaging.
00:20:39.000You can cite all sorts of mitigating factors and concerns about signal chats or whether someone should show up to protest with a concealed weapon.
00:20:46.000There's all sorts of things people can raise.
00:20:48.000But the reality is there's no ambiguity.
00:20:51.000The president suffered political damage over this.
00:20:54.000And then lastly, as Caroline's doing right now, is to emphasize the portions of the president's immigration agenda that are not just somewhat popular, but that are exceedingly popular, and to try to get more of the conversation to back on that terrain, as opposed to what has been the view of many Republicans who are super supportive of the president, a failed mission, not entirely, but in many respects in Minneapolis.
00:21:17.000So we can see that there's some of that effort to pivot.
00:21:21.000You've been an observer of politics for a long time.
00:21:24.000What's your sense on how successful that's likely to be?
00:21:28.000Because I think about there's sort of two competing impulses, which is people will remember the most resonant emotional visual moment, which could be this, but also the Trump administration news cycles move so fast, we could be on a completely new thing two weeks from now.
00:21:45.000I think about the Greenland drama, which already feels a century ago.
00:21:48.000Two weeks from now, two segments from now, we could already be on something new.
00:21:52.000Look, the president sending Homans, taking a call from Governor Waltz and having a readout from the president on Truth Social saying it's a positive call.
00:22:04.000The president's one of the best politicians any of us have ever seen.
00:22:07.000And if he wants to turn the page and send this in a different direction or take it off the front pages, he's got a pretty good chance to do that.
00:22:15.000And that's what we're in the midst of doing.
00:22:16.000So if you're asking me what the chances are, I'd say better than 50%.
00:22:21.000As usual, he's up against the liberal dominant media.
00:22:24.000As usual, he's got to do many other things.
00:22:30.000But the president has a lot of power to change the narrative.
00:22:33.000And I think we're seeing that happen right now in real time.
00:22:37.000And I think the chances are better than 50% to put this back on more favorable terrain without disappointing those who say can't give the liberals a win or those who say the immigration mission must continue.
00:22:58.000Well, he's not the campaigner in chief.
00:23:00.000He's not the president of the Republican Party or the MAGA movement.
00:23:03.000He's the president of the United States.
00:23:05.000And doing something with ICE and Border Patrol in an American city is better done, more effectively done with the cooperation of the mayor and the governor.
00:23:15.000And I think they're going to try to secure that now.
00:23:18.000So the flip side of this is the president can make the moves he wants, but there's also the Democrats.
00:23:23.000We've heard Senator Schiff and others talk about let's make a giant defund the government showdown over whether ICE gets any more funding, whether the Border Patrol gets any more funding.
00:23:34.000Do you think Democrats will want this battle where they'll escalate to massive war over the Border Patrol and ICE, or do you think they're likely to back down if the president is giving them a bit of an off-ramp?
00:23:45.000Well, last night they wanted to fight.
00:23:47.000Let's see with the changes the president's making if they still want it.
00:23:50.000And remember, as you know, ICE is funded.
00:23:53.000ICE was funded by the Big Beautiful bill.
00:23:55.000So this budget showdown that the Democrats say they're willing to precipitate, even if it leads to shutting down the government, is not going to actually get them what they want.
00:24:05.000But the president should want some cooperation for the symbolism and the optics and the politics, but also the substance.
00:24:12.000So if Republicans have to give something to make the mission work more effectively, they may want to do that.
00:24:22.000And if that gets the Democrats to the table, keep there from being a shutdown, that seems like a win-win.
00:24:27.000So I don't think it's impossible to avoid a shutdown in part because, as I said, the Democrats don't have the leverage they might because ICE is already funded.
00:24:37.000So, Mark, I know you're reacting to this readout from the Tim Waltz call that President Trump put out.
00:24:44.000I still, you know, I'm incredulous that this would actually happen the way that you're suggesting, that there would be actual cooperation like we experienced in the Obama years, right?
00:24:56.000Obama, I think, is, you know, listen, it's a good talking point for us, deporter-in-chief.
00:25:02.000What was really happening there was that blue districts were, blue municipalities were coordinating with immigration enforcement.
00:25:10.000They were handing over criminals in jails, in prisons, when there was a detainer request.
00:25:14.000Is that what you're suggesting is going to happen in Minneapolis, that this could be the compromise that's reached?
00:25:21.000Well, cooperation between Governor Waltz and Donald Trump is as far-fetched and outlandish as a friendly OVA office meeting between Mayor Mom Domney and the president.
00:25:32.000You know, that happened, dudes, right?
00:25:34.000Now, the level of cooperation between them remains to be seen, but apparently they took that meeting and made themselves texting buddies.
00:25:41.000One of the things that Caroline said at the briefing and that the president's talked about over the weekend is they want to have Congress outlaw sanctuary cities.
00:25:50.000But there is a middle ground between Walt's capitulation completely and Waltz cooperating.
00:25:58.000And I think one of the big measures, two big measures that I've heard both sides talk about as possibilities.
00:26:05.000One is the local police should be helping here.
00:26:08.000They shouldn't be just turning their heads the other way and not showing up when there's activity on the streets that they could help diffuse.
00:26:17.000And then number two, it's a sanctuary city, but they can find a way to make the process of deporting people who leave local law enforcement control and then can be deported.
00:26:46.000The people who are protesting have not quite become professionals yet, but they're semi-pro.
00:26:51.000But I think if those two things happened and the footprint decreased, people could go back to being Minnesotans rather than warriors for protesting a lawful and approved federal law enforcement activity.
00:27:04.000And Mark, I love where your head's at.
00:27:06.000I mean, all this makes sense, but nothing makes sense when you're dealing with these radical leftists.
00:27:10.000I mean, they feel very amped up to me.
00:27:12.000I just, I can't help but wonder if Democrats might want to back off, but I see the people on, you can see the people on TikTok, on Blue Sky.
00:27:23.000They're saying, like, we need to shoot ICE officers.
00:27:48.000So why would they want to back down when this tactic is seemingly working?
00:27:52.000Why would Governor Waltz hand any cooperation or any sort of political win to President Trump?
00:27:58.000There are some who wouldn't want to, but I believe, having spent a lot of time in the Twin Cities, I believe that the majority of those people would like normalcy.
00:28:08.000The majority of the city, regardless of an individual's politics and the suburbs, would like the chaos to end.
00:28:16.000And like I said, this is a harder city to calm down.
00:28:22.000They've got a post-George Floyd mentality.
00:28:25.000The liberals there don't like the president.
00:28:28.000But if the footprint gets reduced, you just have to realize what it's like for them now to have a federal force on the ground larger than their police force by a lot.
00:28:40.000So will all the people on that signal chat want to stand down?
00:28:44.000But I believe that most of the electeds will, including the governor and the mayor.
00:28:47.000And I believe they'll have a story to tell, which is the president can say, we won because we got local cooperation and we've already arrested a lot of people.
00:28:56.000And the Democrats can say, we won because they've really reduced the federal footprint here.
00:29:02.000And I think that's the recipe to calm this down and to get all but the most professional protesters to stand down.
00:29:07.000Yeah, well, and again, we talk about where this started.
00:29:10.000Yeah, it started with Joe Biden letting in millions of illegals.
00:29:13.000That's obviously the starting point originally.
00:31:18.000And next up on the Megan Kelly Network.
00:31:21.000Okay, so Mark, there's going to be, and we're going to talk about this every time you probably come on for the rest of the year here, but everything is sort of angling towards midterms, right?
00:33:01.000Okay, so again, I say this with respect.
00:33:04.000I'm not a political analyst or a political reporter.
00:33:06.000I'm an American analyst or American reporter.
00:33:09.000And I think to just relentlessly focus on the midterms, again, I say with respect, is not the right thing for the country, even in an election year.
00:33:16.000The president's job is to do well in the midterms by doing good things for the American people.
00:33:22.000Same with Congress, same with Governor Waltz.
00:33:26.000So the focus should not be, I think, on sort of the tactics and the fundraising, at least not yet.
00:33:32.000This is hurting the president's poll numbers, and it's hurting the brand of the Republican Party, and it's hurting MAGA because people don't like what they're seeing.
00:33:40.000And they don't like what they're seeing because it rubs up against their sense of what American government should be, what America should be.
00:33:48.000People don't want to see government officials telling bald-faced lies that are contradicted by what they can see with their own eyes.
00:33:55.000They don't want to see American citizens shot on the street by government officials.
00:33:59.000And they don't want to see an enforcement operation that creates chaos when the whole point of this is to create more order and less chaos.
00:34:09.000So those are all things that I think the president can be behind and before and help him and the party politically by working on them.
00:34:17.000If he does that, if he gets the focus on the extraordinary achievement of shutting down the border and the achievement of going into these cities with federal officials and taking out the bad ombres, taking out the people who are dangerous to the community and then deporting others as bandwidth allows, then I think one of the great promises made, promises kept, will be the focus of a lot of voters in the midterms.
00:34:40.000This is not just MAG Democrats and this is not just moderate Democrats.
00:34:45.000I talked to Republicans for the last 72 hours, including some major supporters of the president, who don't want to see this continue the way it's been going.
00:34:52.000Again, they support the president's immigration agenda.
00:34:57.000And I think if the president can work that out to emphasize the parts of this that have worked and can continue to work and mitigate the prospect of American citizens being shot by federal officers, I think that people will give him the party credit for making a mid-course correction.
00:35:14.000So, Mark, there's obviously, despite your advice, there is a lot of fixation on the midterms.
00:35:19.000And there's definitely on the right, I've seen this sort of all or nothing attitude that if the midterms are bad, it's all over for the administration or something.
00:35:29.000It strikes me, as you noted, they already funded ICE, for example, for a long time with the big beautiful bill.
00:35:35.000The president has obviously a lot of power to do things, even if he doesn't control Congress.
00:35:41.000How much do you think it actually matters for President Trump's agenda that he control Congress?
00:35:46.000And what do you think is likely to happen if he loses it?
00:35:48.000Are we actually likely to see, for example, the impeachment every week that some people have talked about?
00:35:53.000And if they do impeach Trump every week, does that actually matter?
00:35:57.000Well, it's not just impeach him, right?
00:36:00.000There's a hundred things they'd like to have subpoena power to investigate and to call members of the administration up to Capitol Hill to testify.
00:36:08.000All those things are not just a distraction and a bandwidth suck, but they can create a lot of news because the media would love to see a 14-day investigation into the Trump family's crypto holdings or an investigation into policymaking around ICE.
00:36:27.000It also matters if the president wants to pass anything.
00:36:30.000The president can do a lot by executive action, but there's some things like the budget that Congress has to do.
00:36:36.000And I'm a big believer that if the president does lose the House, he can turn that into a virtue by starting to pass some things in a bipartisan way that the current balance of power would let him do.
00:36:48.000Now, that won't be popular with everyone in MAGA because it'll mean the president making deal with Hakeem Jeffries.
00:36:53.000But the alternative is perhaps getting nothing done because they don't have 60 votes in the Senate.
00:36:59.000I think that right now, the president's chances of keeping the House are underrated.
00:37:04.000It's not the most likely outcome, but it's underrated.
00:37:07.000And the Senate is still better than even to stay Republican.
00:37:11.000So he needs to, again, the best thing he can do to make sure that he's got the best possible chance to keep the majority is to do things the American people like, to do things that are popular and to let Republicans talk about those things.
00:37:25.000And if he does that, it won't take care of itself, but it will be the biggest down payment he could make on success in the midterms.
00:37:35.000Something we've talked about on this show is that the whole masking of ICE agents, it strikes, I guess, the majority of Americans as un-American.
00:37:55.000I mean, if there is some sort of detente that's possible where they actually, you know, LA, Portland, Minneapolis, New York are willing to say, hey, smaller footprint, but we'll cooperate at the local level.
00:38:07.000We'll hand over detention requests of illegals.
00:38:10.000I think that would be a huge win for the country.
00:38:11.000And by the way, it would be safer for agents and cities and illegals.
00:38:15.000If you care about the immigrants, it would be safer.