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00:01:25.000Welcome to this very special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:28.000I am honored to be joined today by Lou Dobbs, who, of course, hosts Lou Dobbs tonight and is the author of The Trump Century, which can be found at lewdobbshop.com.
00:01:40.000I encourage everyone to go get your copy right now.
00:01:42.000Lou, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:47.000So, what I love about this book is it frames the election of Donald Trump and his administration in multi-generational terms.
00:01:54.000You know, being 26 years old and traveling the country and supporting this president, I like how you talk about how this has really changed the course of future presidents and our country.
00:02:04.000You talk about what the president has done to hold China accountable, which no other leader had done before him, ending the endless wars, and also you have a very sharp critique of the Chamber of Commerce.
00:02:17.000But first, can you just talk about why you wrote this book and also the historical significance of the Trump presidency?
00:02:25.000Well, first, I wrote the book because I believe this president is both the most important, consequential president of our lifetime.
00:02:37.000In fact, I think he's arguably the greatest president in the country's history.
00:02:42.000Only Abraham Lincoln, in my opinion, has a claim to the same mantle as he has achieved in his first term in office.
00:02:51.000FDR, certainly over three terms, has his place in the pantheon of great presidents and Teddy Roosevelt and the list goes on.
00:03:02.000But this president stands tallest among them, I believe, because of what he's managed to accomplish that is so important, critically important to the country achieving its destiny.
00:03:15.000And secondly, reversing the decline of this great nation under three previous presidents, from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush to Barack Obama.
00:03:28.000We couldn't have asked for much more toxic combination of mediocrity and leadership than those three men all bound together in our nation's history.
00:03:40.000So that's first the reason that I did it.
00:03:43.000The second is because he's overcome so many challenges as he tried to move this nation forward.
00:03:52.000It's to me remarkable how little credit, even among some of his supporters, that this president gets, because he is without question a man who has, in black and white, in empirical physical terms,
00:04:06.000altered the course of the nation, whether it is a balance, mutual, reciprocal trade with our trading partners around the world, whether it is addressing the issue of NATO and making everyone understand it is time for shared burdens and obligations to be met and to change actually the mission of NATO,
00:04:30.000which every political wag writing in the popular left-wing media scoffed at, you recall, when he said NATO has to, well, let's say, correct its attitude and its direction.
00:04:52.000He has done so much that is unappreciated and will do so much more that is critical to this nation and its people achieving both our destiny and our potential.
00:05:03.000One of my favorite parts of your program and of this book is how you are talking about how corporations in our country are no longer necessarily on the side of our country.
00:05:15.000This is something that a lot of conservatives have a difficult time talking about.
00:05:20.000You have really educated me a lot on this topic because growing up in the conservative movement in 2012, 2013, 2014, we were led to believe that corporations are always on team right.
00:05:33.000I'll never forget a show you did in July, just about two or three months ago, where you had the list of all the corporations that were funding BLM.
00:05:41.000And then you talked about how this is nothing new, that these corporations have no allegiance whatsoever.
00:05:47.000Now, while there might be some good companies out there, you make the argument that the Chamber of Commerce, the supposed representative of these companies, has not been representing Middle America for quite some time.
00:05:58.000Can you talk about the Chamber, who they are, and also just Tom Donahue and how they've taken a direction that none of us would have necessarily anticipated?
00:06:07.000Surely, the Chamber of Commerce is the largest lobbying organization in this country, spending a billion and a half dollars on just illegal immigration over the course of the past almost 20 years.
00:06:23.000Think of that, a billion and a half dollars.
00:06:29.000That is the intent of corporate America and particularly 135 U.S. multinationals to assure that our borders are kept wide open, irrespective of what crosses that border.
00:06:44.000And when I say that border, I'm referring, of course, to the southern border.
00:06:49.000And I remind people that Mexico is the primary source of all of the methamphetamines, marijuana, cocaine, and heroin that enter the United States.
00:07:00.000And I'll also remind everyone watching, if they don't mind, that we have 70,000 people dying of drug overdoses every year.
00:07:14.000And by the way, those numbers are an understatement.
00:07:17.000The Chamber of Commerce has insisted on president after president and president after president that they simply do what they're told, make certain that we harmonize our borders, our trading values, and listen to them give visas to all of the cheap labor in foreign markets so that they will come here and compete with the American worker,
00:07:45.000whether middle class or a worker aspiring to the middle class.
00:07:49.000The result was 20 years of stagnant wages for our middle class.
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00:09:30.000And they are now endorsing Democrats, this election cycle.
00:09:34.000And I actually think that's an interesting point: that if the activist media was really interested in telling the American people the landscape of how things are changing, it's the Democrats that are now the party of crony corporate interests.
00:09:47.000And the Republican Party is now basically rejecting the endorsement of the chamber and saying, we don't want this because they, as you said, they want limitless H-1B visas.
00:09:58.000They want unlimited amounts of lower wage workers from India and China, which disenfranchise American workers.
00:10:05.000And so you're starting to see a lot of conservatives, and you've been the leading voice on this, Lou, say maybe not all of these mega corporations want what's best for our country.
00:10:15.000And I've been led to believe that some of these corporations have no loyalty.
00:10:19.000They have no patriotic, just underlying ethos at all.
00:10:22.000It's wherever they can maximize their alleged shareholder value, that's where they're going to go.
00:10:28.000And I'm not against that philosophically, but you talk about how this president has changed that, how this president was the first president to disrupt that kind of bipartisan transnational corporation power structure in our country.
00:10:42.000Well, he has certainly met it head on.
00:10:45.000And that required great courage as well as vision because no other politician of either party was taking on that issue.
00:11:31.000This, as the president of the United States, is nose to nose with President Xi Jinping to hold him accountable for the deaths of 200,000 Americans as a result of the China virus that Xi Jinping unleashed on this country, knowing it was deadly, knowing that it was transmittable, human to human, and that people would die here without a warning to a single government around the world.
00:12:00.000There is much for corporate America to answer for and supporting Black Lives Matter, a Marxist organization.
00:12:07.000And now corporations have to turn to good old Tom Donahue, the cardinal of corporate America, to go to Capitol Hill to convince all of the senators like Dick Durbin and Mike Lee that, yes, you're right to stand with the Chamber of Commerce and ask for more cheap labor to come in to compete with the American middle class so that you can tear down what Donald Trump has accomplished.
00:12:34.000Donald Trump has restored the American dream and has re-energized the middle class, small business, entrepreneurs.
00:12:43.000And there's a reason that we're looking at over 3% growth in this economy until the China virus hit.
00:12:50.000And that's because this president understands economics.
00:12:54.000He understands politics, although he may not be a politician.
00:12:59.000And he has held, in my opinion, the correct view on these issues for 30 years.
00:13:06.000And to now see him stand and lead the nation.
00:13:10.000He's not credited for being a great leader.
00:13:12.000He is the greatest leader the country has seen since, without question, Abraham Lincoln.
00:13:18.000He is not credited with his intellect.
00:13:22.000Instead, supporters and opponents alike like to talk about Donald Trump's instincts.
00:13:28.000You know, Charlie, he has great instincts.
00:13:44.000And he asks great questions and he's always learning.
00:13:47.000This is something the media gets so wrong about him, is that he considers every person he talks to, from whether it could be a private in the United States military to even a Secret Service agent to even myself, a subject matter expert in something that he can learn from.
00:14:02.000And he walked job sites for 30 years, and that's why he understands blue-collar workers better than the chamber ever will or people that say they represent those people.
00:14:12.000And so, Lou, I also want to get into something that I thought was very interesting.
00:14:16.000You talk about inflation in this book and how it actually never came, but how the president encouraged the Federal Reserve to expand the money supply, and you applaud him for that.
00:14:27.000It's a little bit wonkier of a topic, but I was really fascinated by this because it is true based on the metrics we have available, the president pushing the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates actually did not have the inflation effect that a lot of the experts said it would.
00:14:46.000Well, experts, when you say experts, you're referring to economic experts.
00:15:02.000We're all human, but they have a wide margin of propensity for mistakes, to put it in econometric-like terms.
00:15:12.000It is, to me, one of the most amusing things to watch the left wing go bananas in the national media because Charlie, they, oh, you can't argue with a chairman of the Federal Reserve.
00:15:23.000He's an independent force unto himself.
00:15:26.000Well, he sure as hell was because he raised interest rates four times in the absence of inflation with a stable price and market that didn't require an increase in interest rates.
00:16:11.000He went straight at Jerome Powell and the Federal Reserve and the wonks on Wall Street who were paid for by their client base, i.e. corporate America, and he kicked them in the butt and told them what's what and to get their heads on straight.
00:16:30.000And there isn't a single issue as between corporate America, Wall Street, and the president of the United States when they have been right and he has been wrong, whether it's tariffs or whether it is on tax cuts, whether it is China, whether it's balanced trade, whether it's reciprocity itself in national, international relations.
00:16:56.000It's remarkable how right he has been on all of these issues.
00:17:00.000And even Jerome Powell has to tip his hat and say, Mr. President, he didn't do it this way, but I wish he would.
00:17:11.000And I was even really arrogant to suggest that you shouldn't be holding me to a higher standard like great public service.
00:17:22.000Well, and it's such double standard because Obama would call out the Federal Reserve all the time and so would Bill Clinton.
00:17:28.000The struggle between the executive branch and the Fed, it's nothing new.
00:17:32.000Just when Donald Trump does it, they consider it to be completely impossible.
00:17:37.000You want to make a comment on that, Lou?
00:17:39.000Well, no, no, I was just thinking, unlike those others, this president had the lowest unemployment rate in history for minorities, as I say, had achieved what Obama said could only be achieved with a magic wand.
00:17:55.000I mean, this is the president who's walking around pretentiously suggesting that Donald Trump doesn't follow science like he does and thinks deeply about things like climate change.
00:18:09.000This president knew full well what the trade-offs were and what the cause and effect relationships were in the global economy and global societies.
00:18:19.000I don't believe Barack Obama or George W. Bush would even want to think in shallow terms about those issues.
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00:19:34.000Uh, it's my generation that has known almost nothing but war overseas.
00:19:38.000One of my earliest childhood memories was 9-11 and since then we've had these misadventures in Afghanistan and in Iraq, where we have spent trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives where the objective is not always clearly defined.
00:19:50.000You praise the president for trying to end these endless wars and ask the question, why don't we build roads and bridges here instead of in the Kandahar valley or in Iraq?
00:20:00.000Can you talk about the geopolitical significance of trying to end these quagmires overseas and trying to think in an American first type way in foreign policy?
00:20:11.000Well and, but you said America first, because it is often attached only to foreign policy.
00:20:17.000It is also critically important in domestic policy and this president uh preserves that value in all of his considerations uh about whatever decision he must take.
00:20:29.000Uh on on both domestic and foreign policy.
00:20:32.000On America first, the idea of leaving our troops and I love this expression that you will hear from some generals over the years, or at least that I have that we have 30 000 troops along the Dmz posted in South Korea as a tripwire.
00:20:50.000Now, that's a wonderful expression, isn't it?
00:20:52.000If uh Kim Jong-un, or whomever is leading North Korea, decides to cross that uh frontier, we have 26 000 right now troops there uh, and they will be a tripwire to let us know that they've come.
00:21:08.000We have them under constant surveillance from uh imaging uh, you know uh satellites.
00:21:16.000It's ridiculous, it's a preposterous uh reason, and others suggest that they're forward stationed so that they can react.
00:21:25.000There is, there is not a chance in hell that those troops would be anything other than savage by the North Koreans if they were to carry out a a, a straightforward frontal attack.
00:21:47.000Why do we have so many troops in Germany, some of which are moving to Poland now, i'm delighted to say, because the president has chosen to do that and they're coming home and leaving Afghanistan?
00:21:59.000The idiots who wrote the the, the doctrine, called the long War.
00:22:06.000That's not a doctrine, a military doctrine for the United States.
00:22:10.000Our doctrine should be short wars, and if there is a short war, as the president said the other day talking about Iran, whatever injury you do to us, we will respond with a thousand times greater force against you.
00:22:25.000That should be the doctrine of the United States, bring our troops home.
00:22:35.000And it is remarkable to watch the military-industrial complex, as Eisenhower warned us to warn us of a military-industrial complex will find a place to go to war no matter how peaceful it appears to our lying eyes.
00:22:54.000And it just, it's incredible because now the Democrats, who used to be the anti-war party back in 2004 with John Kerry, they're upset that Donald Trump is ending these endless wars.
00:23:04.000They seem infuriated that President Trump is negotiating peace between Israel and the UAE.
00:23:10.000And this entire kind of endless war lobby has dominated the Republican and Democrat foreign policy establishment where President Trump, unafraid to act with decisive action against Solomoni or Baghdad.
00:23:23.000He doesn't want American troops or trillions of dollars being spent endlessly where there is no objective in sight.
00:23:30.000And it's a lot of young people that are fighting these wars that have had PTSD, military suicide, and all the other associated costs of this kind of endless conflict.
00:23:41.000Liu, you also talk about China in this book.
00:23:44.000You make the argument that this might be the greatest out of all of the accomplishments, this might be the most important, which is rebalancing the conversation and the landscape against China.
00:23:56.000We have now seen the malevolence of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:24:50.000And they understand at this point that if they are to dominate, we have to be dislocated, removed, and defeated.
00:25:00.000And they were well on their way to that until President Trump was elected because he recognized that they were expanding the South China Sea and it had to be forestalled.
00:25:10.000He recognized the expansionary policies of Xi Jinping.
00:25:15.000And even though the two, it appeared, had reached an agreement on the direction of both countries that could be one of coexistence, President Xi made it very clear that he, when he decided to let that virus leave China without warning the world and had every opportunity weeks later to warn the world and chose not to,
00:25:47.000And it is also revelatory, I would hope, for everyone who thought, you know, the communist Chinese, they're just merchants and waiting capitalists to be developed.
00:25:58.000They can be a market-based, free enterprise people.
00:26:09.000And there is no conscience when it comes to the decisions they make in their national interest.
00:26:15.000It is staring every American, everyone on this planet, squarely in the face.
00:26:20.000Only President Trump saw it clearly years ago.
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00:27:33.000And what's been stunning, Lou, is to see how the corporate executives, the athletic executives, Hollywood, how entrenched they really are in the Chinese Communist Party.
00:27:43.000And this virus and the lack of reaction to it has been stunning, not to mention the 1 million ethnic Muslims in concentration camps, as you mentioned, the islands in the South China Sea, the deindustrialization, the Confucius Institutes on well over 70 college campuses across the country that we're trying to get closed.
00:28:06.000No, and high school institutes as well.
00:28:10.000They are attacking K through 12 as well as higher education.
00:28:14.000And when I say they're attacking, I mean those are foreign postings of surveillance and espionage operations of a foreign power, namely the People's Republic of China.
00:28:28.000And look at what we're now seeing unfold.
00:28:31.000Finally, we're seeing the number of Chinese nationals who are being sanctioned, who are being charged for spying, for taking, you know, I find it stunning to think about this.
00:28:48.000Professors at Harvard University, which is my alma mater, taking money from the NIH or for any number of federal funding sources and at the same time taking millions from the Communist Party of China and not reporting that money and clearly working to recruit and to deliver technology and intellectual property to them.
00:29:14.000And this on a scale each year that amounts to a half a trillion dollars that is being torn away from this country and building China.
00:29:24.000The fact of the matter is, Charlie, we've built China.
00:29:27.000We've built modern China in this country.
00:29:30.000And corporate America has a lot to answer for because instead of sending those plants and that production to our neighbors to the South and Central and South America, building those plants there, we built it in a communist nation, if you can imagine that, which now threatens us militarily, economically, geopolitically.
00:29:54.000These are mad men who made those decisions for decades to build and to unleash communist China.
00:30:06.000So, Sulu, in a couple minutes we have remaining here, I want to get your take on the election.
00:30:10.000This should be a Trump landslide if all things were equal, but we're not in equal times.
00:30:14.000We have the activist media that mistreats the president.
00:30:18.000Ballot fraud, I believe, is a very real threat.
00:30:21.000We have social media tyranny where it seems Google and the social media giants are going to do whatever it takes to try to prevent fair access to information.
00:30:42.000We're seeing this president closing on every battleground state without exception, and in some cases now moving into the lead important and important battleground states, including, by the way, Florida, which the most recent polling shows him moving ahead of Biden.
00:31:00.000I don't think there's any way in the world the American people would be dumb enough to put Joe Biden in the White House, even if they don't appreciate what this president has done.
00:31:12.000They don't understand President Trump.
00:31:14.000If they're such buttercups and daffodils that their feelings are hurt when they read one of his, well, tough-hewn tweets that somehow unsettles them.
00:31:26.000Even then, how could you possibly take and put a man who has lived and has campaigned so far from his basement in Delaware against a man like Trump, who has been in, what, 30 states in the last two months?
00:32:18.000I will put up the inventions and the intellectual heritage of this country against any other for all time.
00:32:27.000And we've only been around, you know, a little over 200 years.
00:32:31.000We're not doing badly, and we'll do even better in the next 100, I'm sure.
00:32:37.000Yeah, the airplane going to the moon, being able to have open heart, open brain surgery, pretty amazing accomplishments for a country that's only been around a short period of time, not to mention winning two world wars and creating the greatest political document ever, the United States Constitution.
00:32:54.000I was just thinking Obama was, you know, he impressed a lot of people, particularly on the left, when he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize after only 11 days in office, having done nothing.
00:33:05.000This president, having done great things and for two achievements of extraordinary historic importance, receiving Nobel Peace Prize nominations in one week for two separate successes.
00:33:20.000I think the contrast is pretty revelatory.