The Charlie Kirk Show - How Trump Is Leading America Back To Capitalism, People, and Patriotism with Sean Spicer

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00:00:08.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we are joined by my friend Sean Spicer with exclusive political commentary on what states Trump needs to win in the 2020 race.

00:00:17.000 And most importantly, what Trump is doing that he did not do in 2016.

00:00:24.000 It's very interesting.

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00:00:29.000 Might surprise you.

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00:00:47.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:19.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:20.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:23.000 I am joined by my friend and terrific American, Sean Spicer, who is the author of a very exciting new book, Leading America.

00:01:31.000 Sean, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:32.000 Thanks.

00:01:33.000 It's an honor to be here.

00:01:35.000 So we're a couple weeks out from the election.

00:01:38.000 I imagine that the reason you wrote this book is to help clarify the choice between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

00:01:45.000 Tell us why you wrote the book, and then let's dive into some of the big themes in it.

00:01:49.000 I wrote the book because I don't think that people fully appreciate the headwinds that conservatives face every day, whether it's on college campuses, in the classroom, in big tech, corporate America, in Hollywood.

00:02:03.000 And so to put that collectively down in one place and to say, this is what it's like, because so many times liberals dismiss conservative concerns and say, give me a break.

00:02:11.000 You guys are so full of it.

00:02:13.000 When you looked at it collectively, I think people read the book and go, oh my gosh, have like that aha moment and say, I didn't fully appreciate what you guys were talking about.

00:02:22.000 And again, and I think it goes back to why the president's policies are moving the country in the right direction and what the alternative would be.

00:02:31.000 So let's dive into that.

00:02:33.000 There are a lot of people that do not know the full list of victories that the Trump administration has accomplished.

00:02:39.000 What would you say are the biggest ones that people don't always know or they're not able to say off the top of their head that you believe are monumental and historic that the Trump administration has been able to achieve?

00:02:51.000 So I think first on my list always is going to be judges.

00:02:53.000 And I know a lot of people talk about, well, I know he's appointed judges, but the depth and breadth of that is something that's not known because it's not just the three Supreme Court justices.

00:03:03.000 And I count Amy Coney Urd as a justice because it's theta complete as far as I'm concerned.

00:03:08.000 But to have three in one term, and Charlie, it's not the number, it's the type.

00:03:13.000 These are real conservative justices that aren't going to stray.

00:03:17.000 We don't think we have to worry about them in the mold of ones like Justice Breyer that we've seen kind of get appointed by a Republican and then drift to the left.

00:03:24.000 But it's also what he's done at the lower levels of the federal court.

00:03:26.000 That, to me, first and foremost, is going to be his legacy for at least generations to come.

00:03:31.000 Regulations and taxes is up there.

00:03:34.000 I think what he's done for veterans in the military are all equally as important.

00:03:38.000 But I think the biggest thing, I've been in politics for 25 years.

00:03:42.000 It's the first time in modern history that I can remember a candidate running for reelection saying, I kept my word on all of the things that I said I was going to do.

00:03:50.000 And I not only implemented them, but they moved the country in the right direction.

00:03:53.000 Think about that.

00:03:54.000 He's not coming and saying, look, guys, there was a Democratic Congress.

00:03:57.000 I couldn't get this done.

00:03:58.000 I need four more years.

00:03:59.000 He's saying, look what I got done.

00:04:01.000 There's even more to come.

00:04:03.000 Do you think that the president needs to lean in more on this list of accomplishments?

00:04:08.000 Because we've knocked on over 200,000 doors at Turning Point Action, our political arm.

00:04:14.000 And I'm going to be honest, Sean, most people have no idea.

00:04:17.000 They have no idea.

00:04:19.000 I spoke with the president earlier this week and I said exactly that.

00:04:22.000 I said, Mr. President, when you said 47 months of accomplishment versus 47 years of doing nothing, that was so perfectly themed out.

00:04:31.000 That's what it is.

00:04:32.000 Charlie, here's the deal.

00:04:33.000 I get the president's got grievances and I understand him.

00:04:36.000 In some cases, he's been treated unfairly.

00:04:38.000 A lot of people who've done stuff on the other side of the aisle have not been held accountable the way he has for less.

00:04:44.000 And so I understand it, right?

00:04:46.000 I think if you're under attack the way he is, you get it.

00:04:48.000 But at the end of the day, people don't vote for you because you let more emails out.

00:04:53.000 They vote for you because you created more jobs, because you strengthened the military, because you took care of the veterans.

00:04:58.000 That's what they do.

00:05:00.000 And so if he can focus on that, get another four years, then he can deal with all the other stuff as well.

00:05:05.000 But he has a great list of accomplishments.

00:05:08.000 And the more that he just hammers at home, and also the contrast could not be greater.

00:05:13.000 Biden's been around for 47 years, and he framed it so perfectly in the debate.

00:05:17.000 Just say, okay, Joe, why do you need four more years when you couldn't get anything done in 47?

00:05:23.000 And I think the corruption issue is a huge issue.

00:05:26.000 I am so upset that no one has gone to jail for the Russia investigation, which I want to build out with you, the Hillary emails.

00:05:33.000 However, dealing with corruption is going to be a second term task.

00:05:37.000 And if you don't have a second term, all this corruption will just go into the far distant memory and no one will be held accountable.

00:05:44.000 Sean, what do you think the president has to do even better in articulating a second term agenda?

00:05:51.000 I mean, when we're knocking on doors, people say, I can't tell you what the president actually is going to do in the second term.

00:05:58.000 Isn't that sad, though?

00:05:59.000 I mean, but the problem is, so what I mentioned, I was on the phone with him the other day.

00:06:03.000 He said, you know, what do you think about Regeneron?

00:06:05.000 Look at it.

00:06:05.000 I'm going to give it out for free and the military is going to deploy this.

00:06:07.000 And I said, Mr. President, then talk about that.

00:06:10.000 But you can't expect other people to do it because he's got this massive bully pulpit.

00:06:14.000 And whatever he talks about, people talk about.

00:06:17.000 So if he's talking about the corruption, if he's talking about emails, then that's what people are going to talk about.

00:06:21.000 He needs to stay laser focused on stuff like Regeneron and what he's doing to eradicate COVID, what he's going to do to continue to grow the economy.

00:06:30.000 But he did this so well in the lead up to the last election.

00:06:33.000 For the 30 last days, he was focused like a laser beam.

00:06:36.000 He needs to be focused again on that and talk about nothing but policies that are going to continue to move the country forward.

00:06:41.000 That's it.

00:06:42.000 He did everything he did on trade.

00:06:44.000 Again, revising a trade deal is no big deal in the sense that just doing it for the sake of it, but that's not why he did it.

00:06:50.000 He did it to make people's lives better, to bring jobs.

00:06:52.000 And it's a good deal.

00:06:53.000 Right.

00:06:54.000 So it's not a question of, oh, I revised it.

00:06:56.000 It's he now has dairy farmers in Wisconsin that live a better life.

00:07:00.000 He has auto workers in Detroit that are living a better life because he fought for them.

00:07:04.000 That's what they need to do is to talk about those policies and not worry about the extraneous stuff that you're absolutely right.

00:07:12.000 Go in a second term.

00:07:13.000 You got 40 years.

00:07:13.000 Then go figure that stuff out.

00:07:15.000 But if you don't get there, the point that you made is so crystal, excuse me, is so important because once he's gone, no one's going to continue to look into this and it's going to get swept under the rug and we're going to move back to the same kind of swamp type mentality that existed.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, and that's my fear.

00:07:31.000 And I know a lot of really good people that have been fed disinformation and misinformation and from a propagandist media.

00:07:41.000 Sean, you dealt with this propagandist media firsthand.

00:07:45.000 You wrote a great book.

00:07:46.000 I believe the title is The Briefing.

00:07:48.000 Is that right?

00:07:49.000 Talking about it.

00:07:50.000 And you were on the front lines of the Trump administration.

00:07:54.000 I want to compliment you, Sean, because you are a good person.

00:07:58.000 You have refused to say one bad thing about the president post being trusted with the highest office.

00:08:04.000 And that is not the case for some of these other people that I believe have engaged in Dante's ninth circle of hell, which is treachery.

00:08:11.000 You know, Dante talked about the worst thing that Yuke Dante, I should say, the worst thing that a human being could do, the lowest level is betray.

00:08:19.000 And these people that have been in the White House that take their knives out and then stab the back of the president, people have used the word treason.

00:08:25.000 I think that's overused.

00:08:26.000 I think it is just blatantly immoral and evil.

00:08:29.000 I want to thank you for that, Sean, because you've been so loyal.

00:08:32.000 And you don't get enough credit for that.

00:08:34.000 But what did you glean from your time in the White House of dealing with the activist media and how they intentionally misinform the American people?

00:08:43.000 Well, first, thank you for the kind words, but I'll say I think it speaks volumes to the kind of person you want to be.

00:08:48.000 If you're the kind of friend, co-worker, family member that people don't feel like they can trust you, then they're not going to tell you things and they're not going to come back to you.

00:08:57.000 And, you know, to your point, I want to be able to look at people that I want to work with in the future and say, look, you can talk to me.

00:09:02.000 You can trust me.

00:09:03.000 I can give you counsel.

00:09:04.000 And you know, it's not going to end up on a blog somewhere or some crazy book.

00:09:08.000 Are you kidding me?

00:09:09.000 I mean.

00:09:11.000 But to your point, Charlie, when I was researching this book, I started to look at journalism schools.

00:09:15.000 There's an entire chapter on journalism schools.

00:09:18.000 And it was mind-blowing to me what they're teaching and how they're teaching journalists.

00:09:24.000 And it's not about, you know, reporting on the facts.

00:09:26.000 It's in so many cases, the mission statement is your job is to make the world a better place.

00:09:31.000 Well, I can tell you my view of a better place is a much more limited government, much less, much less regulation, fewer taxes, more power to the people, greater empowerment of charities and organizations that want to help people.

00:09:45.000 And so that's going to be vastly different from how a liberal believes the world needs to be made a better place.

00:09:51.000 And when you realize that journalists, that's their goal, when they went into this White House, they realized this guy is not one of us.

00:09:58.000 So we are going to fight with everything we can.

00:10:00.000 I also get into this idea of the double standards.

00:10:03.000 What happens to folks on the right when they say stuff?

00:10:06.000 And you see this all the time on college campuses and throughout your travels.

00:10:11.000 A person on the right can say the exact same thing as someone on the left.

00:10:15.000 And the way that they are treated and canceled out on the right.

00:10:18.000 That's exactly right.

00:10:19.000 On the left, they're excused and allowed to continue because, well, it's in pursuit of their greater good.

00:10:24.000 Well, it's the left, they hate the idea that there are other ideas.

00:10:28.000 And the left is, they are persistent in their pursuit of not just trying to attain power, not just trying to win arguments.

00:10:39.000 They don't actually care about that.

00:10:40.000 They want to destroy us.

00:10:41.000 And I tell this to conservatives, young conservatives.

00:10:44.000 And what's really interesting, Sean, is we have the toughest next generation of conservatives ever in the history of the planet.

00:10:51.000 It's an unintended consequence of the malevolence of the left because we have 16, 17, 18-year-olds that are losing jobs, losing internships, losing friends.

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00:12:08.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:12:09.000 Charlie Kirk Show, radio stations across the country, CharlieKirk.com.

00:12:13.000 Joined right now with my friend, Sean Spicer, author of Leading America.

00:12:19.000 Everyone go pick up a copy right now.

00:12:21.000 We are talking about how the left doesn't just try to cancel you.

00:12:24.000 They try to destroy you.

00:12:26.000 I just got an email right here, Sean.

00:12:28.000 It's unbelievable.

00:12:29.000 We get thousands and thousands of emails on our podcast from young people across the country.

00:12:33.000 A young lady who works as a musical publicist in Tennessee, and she posted a picture that said four more years with President Donald Trump signed.

00:12:41.000 I'm going to read this email right now.

00:12:42.000 It's so unbelievably stunning.

00:12:44.000 I have never seen an email so incredibly dishonest about how they don't want opposition ideas.

00:12:51.000 So this young lady is an outspoken conservative, newfound outspoken conservative.

00:12:56.000 And she got this email from her employer.

00:12:58.000 Let me read this to you.

00:12:59.000 They say, due to you posting this, let me see this.

00:13:03.000 Pull this up right here.

00:13:04.000 They say, in interest of transparency, they say we have to fire you.

00:13:08.000 We saw your latest Instagram post in which you held a Make America Great Again poster.

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00:13:28.000 They admit it's because of Donald Trump.

00:13:30.000 I mean, this is, can you build us out more, Sean, of how you saw this?

00:13:34.000 But Charlie, look, you're the one on college campuses.

00:13:38.000 I talk about this in the book that I traveled around.

00:13:41.000 My God, I thought I was scared that this was going to be the end of my life.

00:13:41.000 I went to Berkeley.

00:13:45.000 I joke in the book that I always know where I'm headed by the amount of security I'm assigned.

00:13:49.000 And the problem is, is that there is no hiding it anymore.

00:13:54.000 If you put a Donald Trump hat on, a Make America Great hat, put a sign in your yard, people have no problem targeting you.

00:14:01.000 And to your point of that email, they'll just say it.

00:14:04.000 I don't, you know, you support the president.

00:14:05.000 You are obviously bad, but don't worry.

00:14:07.000 You can support Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, all of these people.

00:14:13.000 That's fine because we're okay with that.

00:14:16.000 And that goes down the line of corporate, Hollywood, big tech.

00:14:20.000 Think about the number of students that you guys face on college campuses.

00:14:23.000 I talk about this in the book, Charlie.

00:14:24.000 When I was on college campuses and you're on there a heck of a lot more than I am, I always ask, how many conservatives have you had on campus?

00:14:31.000 I'm either one of the first few, if not the first.

00:14:35.000 How sad is that on a place that you're supposed to be learning and seeing both sides that they're not even given it?

00:14:41.000 And when they are, it's to shout them down, to cancel them out, to protest them in the case of some of the stuff at Berkeley, to light things on fire.

00:14:49.000 But it is so unbelievable.

00:14:52.000 And it's actually what makes it worse is not that the students are doing it, but they're being enabled by faculty and staff of the college.

00:15:00.000 Yes, they're being instructed to do it.

00:15:02.000 They are being trained to do it.

00:15:04.000 And that's what people have to realize.

00:15:06.000 When you send your kid to college, you're playing Russian roulette with their values.

00:15:09.000 Before the college chapter, I write this whole thing on K through 12.

00:15:13.000 And in researching the book, it was stunning to me because you think as a parent, I'm the parent of two young kids.

00:15:19.000 You send them off to school.

00:15:20.000 They're teaching them writing, arithmetic, art, science, whatever, maybe, you know, a little PE there.

00:15:25.000 When you start to see the actual curriculum, some of the things that are being taught in fourth, fifth, sixth grade about values and policies, who's right, who's wrong, what candidates are right or wrong.

00:15:38.000 The idea that in cities across the country, they are given time off to protest causes.

00:15:45.000 And I write in the book, I said, just for what it's worth, you may, like in many cases, they're going to win the day off to protest climate change.

00:15:51.000 And I write in the book and I said, listen, I'm not here to argue the merits of climate change, but just stop for a moment and think to yourself, if that school board was taken over by conservatives who wanted to send your kids to a pro-life rally, would you think the same as you do right now about climate change?

00:16:06.000 And my guess is that a lot of folks on the left would say, well, that's different.

00:16:09.000 And it's like, you're right, it is.

00:16:10.000 But I don't need my kids to go to school to learn the values.

00:16:14.000 I need them to go to learn writing, arithmetic, you know, science, history, and not discern what their values are by some public servant.

00:16:24.000 God bless them.

00:16:25.000 I appreciate everything that teachers do.

00:16:26.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:16:27.000 But when you realize that this is the stuff that's being encouraged, and oh, by the way, if you don't do it, then you're going to get held accountable for not being part of the group that goes and protests these causes that they've deemed worthy.

00:16:39.000 That's exactly right.

00:16:40.000 And you see time and time again a pattern of the people that are in charge of the instruction and the education of our children, not educate, but indoctrinate, almost sow seeds of bitter resentment for the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:16:56.000 And I tell parents, be very careful sending your kids to college.

00:16:59.000 Very careful.

00:17:00.000 And what college, why are they going?

00:17:02.000 How are they going to pay for it?

00:17:04.000 It is a multi-dimensional risk.

00:17:07.000 It's not just a financial risk.

00:17:09.000 It's not just a social risk.

00:17:10.000 It's also a philosophical, religious, and spiritual risk.

00:17:14.000 I mean, you are talking about a completely human being that could exit that college.

00:17:18.000 And I don't mean different in a good way.

00:17:21.000 I mean that different in a way that will be completely and totally unrecognizable to parents that spent their entire fortune trying to make sure their kids go to college.

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00:19:06.000 Sean, I want to get into the 2020 election.

00:19:09.000 You were the communications director of the Republican Party RNC and the Republican National Committee back in 2016, if I remember correctly.

00:19:16.000 You did a phenomenal job of having the presidents back, even after the Billy Bush tapes, all of that.

00:19:21.000 You held the line when there were calls for him to drop out.

00:19:23.000 People forget that there were calls for the president to drop out less than a month out from the election.

00:19:27.000 You held the line beautifully and nicely.

00:19:30.000 What's the state of the race here, Sean? 0.84

00:19:31.000 Because if I'm being honest, I am kind of in the middle.

00:19:35.000 I don't know how to process some of this information I'm getting.

00:19:37.000 I'm getting information from people on the ground that this thing might be a lot closer than people think.

00:19:42.000 What are you seeing and hearing?

00:19:44.000 I think it's a lot closer.

00:19:45.000 But Charlie, I remind people all the time, Michigan was won by 10,704 votes.

00:19:49.000 That's 0.22 of a percent.

00:19:52.000 Pennsylvania was 44,000 votes.

00:19:53.000 Wisconsin was 24,000 votes. 0.97

00:19:55.000 If you take that, realize that Hillary Clinton was a hated and despised candidate by many in her own party and replace it with Joe Biden, who, let's face it, has bad policies, but is rather a milquetoast individual.

00:20:07.000 There's not a lot of hatred for the guy.

00:20:09.000 People may not like him, but he's not as viscerally disliked as a Hillary Clinton.

00:20:14.000 It can change the dynamic really quick.

00:20:17.000 And so.

00:20:18.000 Look, if you want President Trump re-elected, if you recognize the importance of these policies, and we were talking about this earlier in your show, then get out there, vote, vote early.

00:20:26.000 But right now, I'll be able to tell you, if the 2018 election wasn't a wake-up call for folks on the right, then they got another thing coming to them because these guys are fired up.

00:20:35.000 They know what they're doing.

00:20:36.000 Now, if the Trump campaign can keep this thing close, I believe that their ground game in their political operation, they're the most sophisticated in modern history, but it's only worth a field goal.

00:20:47.000 You've got to keep the race.

00:20:48.000 That's exactly right.

00:20:50.000 And in a state like Michigan, if you can't get within three, it won't matter.

00:20:55.000 So they got to, and the problem that I see is right.

00:20:57.000 They have to close the gap.

00:20:58.000 You're exactly right.

00:20:59.000 We got Arizona in play right now.

00:21:01.000 There's a lot of these states.

00:21:02.000 I think the Trump campaign needs to figure out, here's how we're going to get to 270.

00:21:07.000 I'd love to see us pick up Minnesota, but they got to shore up what it's going to take to stay and get 270.

00:21:12.000 Let's just talk about electoral math, Sean.

00:21:14.000 I kind of want to get geeky with you because you actually understand the political math.

00:21:18.000 So you got to get 270 electoral votes to win.

00:21:21.000 I think it's a given, at least I operated from the given of Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina going for Trump.

00:21:26.000 If we lose those, we're losing everything.

00:21:28.000 Everything else is like a non-starter.

00:21:29.000 I think we win those three.

00:21:31.000 I like what I'm seeing out of those three states.

00:21:32.000 Georgia and Texas, not going to happen this cycle.

00:21:35.000 We got those ones in the bag, both on the Senate side and on the presidential side.

00:21:38.000 Therefore, then you got to all of a sudden fastened down in Arizona, Florida.

00:21:42.000 The fact Arizona is in contention should be a fire alarm for conservatives because that used to be a reliably red state.

00:21:47.000 And you remember Mitt Romney, who leaves a lot to be desired, he won Arizona by 9.4 points.

00:21:52.000 I mean, it was a, it wasn't even contested.

00:21:55.000 And a lot of it was because he's more.

00:21:56.000 I mean, East Valley voters, you know, there's a lot of that.

00:21:59.000 And also, you know, McCain moms in Scottsdale and in Fountain Hills, they, you know, they're more moderate in nature.

00:22:05.000 And so, but now all of a sudden Arizona's in play.

00:22:08.000 And so I think Trump can win Arizona.

00:22:10.000 Florida is going to be a beast.

00:22:11.000 It always is.

00:22:12.000 But Florida's actually been trending more conservative in voter registration, in mentality.

00:22:17.000 It all kind of comes down to a rest belt state then.

00:22:19.000 Can you rob one from the former blue wall that they're trying to reconstruct, right?

00:22:24.000 Can you keep one brick back?

00:22:25.000 That's kind of what I've been telling people.

00:22:27.000 Can you keep one brick for yourself and let them win three?

00:22:29.000 We win one.

00:22:30.000 And again, none of that matters if you don't win Arizona or Florida.

00:22:33.000 The only way is if you win a Pennsylvania, but then you're tied at 269, depending on how CD2 goes in Nebraska or CD2 goes in Maine.

00:22:40.000 And it goes to 269, goes to the House. 0.93

00:22:42.000 Pelosi will run the clock out till she gets enough votes where it's every state gets one vote.

00:22:47.000 Where do you think the president's best chances are here electorally?

00:22:51.000 Is it a Pennsylvania?

00:22:52.000 Is it a Wisconsin?

00:22:52.000 Is it a Michigan?

00:22:53.000 Is it Minnesota?

00:22:54.000 Is it a Nevada?

00:22:55.000 You think all of a sudden we can kind of steal one from the Sunbelt?

00:22:57.000 They're not looking at?

00:22:57.000 What do you see in Sean?

00:22:59.000 All right.

00:22:59.000 So real quickly, I think Arizona is a lot more in play.

00:23:02.000 It's going to be challenging.

00:23:03.000 I just, he's down right now.

00:23:04.000 Look, here's the thing that people don't recognize.

00:23:06.000 This is going to be one of the hidden things of the election.

00:23:08.000 In 2016, 15 states, nine that went for Trump, six that went for Clinton, were won by a plurality, not a majority, Arizona included, meaning that you had these third-party candidates that had a big effect, Jill Stein and then Gary Johnson.

00:23:21.000 Gary Johnson.

00:23:22.000 Yeah.

00:23:23.000 We don't have those big enough.

00:23:24.000 So if you're talking about one or two or three points and you get that taken down to a point, that leaves a lot of wiggle room in there.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:23:33.000 I don't think Nevada's in play, not because the president's not going to win it.

00:23:36.000 They went to all mail-in for a reason.

00:23:39.000 They knew the president was doing well.

00:23:41.000 He was coming up strong in that state.

00:23:42.000 I think they mailed every person living and dead a ballot for a reason.

00:23:46.000 I think Michigan and Pennsylvania are very challenging.

00:23:49.000 His biggest challenge, his biggest opportunities right now are Wisconsin and Minnesota.

00:23:55.000 That's interesting.

00:23:56.000 Tell me why.

00:23:57.000 I don't know if I would have had that same analysis.

00:23:59.000 Tell me why.

00:24:01.000 I think just if you look at the data, both in terms of Pennsylvania, now I will say this: Pennsylvania, I think of the other, of the two, I think Michigan's the furthest away.

00:24:09.000 I agree with that.

00:24:10.000 That I agree with.

00:24:11.000 Yeah, sorry to interrupt.

00:24:12.000 Pennsylvania, I think it could, if you call me the day after the election and say he got Pennsylvania, I wouldn't.

00:24:18.000 Here's the thing.

00:24:19.000 On election night, if Donald Trump isn't ahead by about 150,000 votes in Pennsylvania, he will lose.

00:24:26.000 He's got to get the day of vote.

00:24:28.000 The mail-in vote in Pennsylvania is going to be the biggest challenge.

00:24:32.000 And that's going to be the problem in Pennsylvania.

00:24:34.000 But I do think that Minnesota has been trending red.

00:24:37.000 He came very close last time without putting any resources in it.

00:24:40.000 And this time, they're fighting hard for it.

00:24:43.000 And Elon Omar doesn't help the Democrats' cause.

00:24:45.000 She is so outside of the mainstream of Minnesota voters.

00:24:48.000 And it's really interesting.

00:24:49.000 Minnesota is the greatest example of how conservatives play offense in the Trump era, where Democrat farmer labor unions, they call themselves DFL.

00:24:56.000 They used to be the most liberal left-wing voters, the Garrison Keillor types, right?

00:25:03.000 Little house on the home companion, right?

00:25:05.000 Little home companion.

00:25:06.000 Anyway, the NPR show.

00:25:08.000 And all those guys love Trump now.

00:25:10.000 You go up to the Iron Range and they all love Trump.

00:25:14.000 Please, Sean.

00:25:16.000 I got people that drive around Minnesota, and I hate when people say this in a campaign.

00:25:19.000 So I hate that I'm actually saying it, but they'll say, Sean, I was just in Minnesota.

00:25:23.000 I've seen more signs than anywhere before.

00:25:25.000 And I'm like, but the point isn't that there are signs or not signs, that they used to not be there and they are now.

00:25:30.000 And that's a good point.

00:25:31.000 Yard signs don't vote.

00:25:32.000 I'm actually a believer in yard signs.

00:25:34.000 I get in little fights with consultants all the time.

00:25:36.000 Like, yard signs don't matter.

00:25:37.000 I'm like, I think they matter.

00:25:38.000 Okay.

00:25:39.000 I can make an argument why they matter.

00:25:40.000 I think it motivates your base.

00:25:41.000 It actually get I don't own a yard side business.

00:25:45.000 I'm just the yard sign peddler.

00:25:48.000 I'm a big believer in yards.

00:25:50.000 I always have been.

00:25:51.000 So, Sean, let's break, let's break it down then.

00:25:53.000 I mean, Florida, I actually think Trump's going to win.

00:25:55.000 I think as of today, Trump wins Florida.

00:25:58.000 Arizona, we're headquartered in Arizona, turning point action, turning point USA.

00:26:01.000 We're on the ground.

00:26:02.000 I do think we win Arizona.

00:26:03.000 It's going to be tight.

00:26:04.000 The rural areas, CD1, we're going to run up the score.

00:26:08.000 Wickenburg, Tucson, we're going to lose.

00:26:10.000 It's all about Mesa and Chandler, though.

00:26:12.000 It's all about the East Valley and Phoenix. 0.75

00:26:14.000 It's about Mormons that Jeff Flake has completely poisoned the well in that whole part of Arizona.

00:26:20.000 Scottsdale is a little troublesome. 0.95

00:26:21.000 Gilbert's going to be, we're going to run up the score there.

00:26:23.000 The West Valley, Peoria.

00:26:25.000 And that's the question I want to ask you, Sean. 1.00

00:26:27.000 The one demographic that's troubling is old people.

00:26:32.000 And I don't mean that as a pejorative.

00:26:33.000 Some people say, you can't say old people.

00:26:35.000 Okay, senior citizens.

00:26:36.000 So let's just go to the positives of the Trump era.

00:26:38.000 Trump's going to do better with younger voters.

00:26:40.000 I think we've played a role in that.

00:26:41.000 I really do.

00:26:41.000 At turning point action and what we do at the podcast.

00:26:44.000 Hispanics, blacks, all actually trending really well, but senior citizens are a problem. 1.00

00:26:51.000 Why? 0.99

00:26:52.000 Well, so here's, first of all, just to explain why, it's because all those groups, when you look at them, don't make up the biggest, they make up a disproportionately smaller amount of the overall electorate.

00:27:03.000 Seniors are the biggest voting block.

00:27:05.000 So if you win all those other ones or improve yourself. 0.96

00:27:07.000 Oh, no, for sure.

00:27:08.000 I mean, why are we struggling with seniors?

00:27:10.000 Oh, no, no, I get it.

00:27:10.000 That's what I mean.

00:27:11.000 But I think that the point to your audience is to make sure that they understand that they're not created equal.

00:27:15.000 Seniors are the largest block, but you're right, because in Florida alone, right now, the latest polls, which I am not a big fan of the public polls, but the reality is his exit poll was plus 14 last cycle.

00:27:26.000 He's up plus five now.

00:27:27.000 That's not enough if you're in Florida to win a state that he won by 1.2%.

00:27:33.000 That being said, I think for a lot of seniors, especially senior women, it comes down to the tone, tenor, and style.

00:27:40.000 And they look and they say, oh, those aren't the values that I grew up on.

00:27:44.000 And we have to get through to them the importance of the binary choice and the policies.

00:27:48.000 Many of these people still remember Russia and the Soviet Union, and we've got to get through that.

00:27:53.000 This is the communist, the socialism that the Democratic Party is talking about is what these people have fought against their entire life.

00:28:00.000 This is what they were against.

00:28:02.000 And now this is what we, the direction that we're moving in.

00:28:06.000 But again, I think that that's not what the choice has been given them.

00:28:09.000 And I think that that's what the campaign needs to say.

00:28:11.000 They did a phenomenal job in 2016 making a binary choice, saying Hillary Clinton's policies.

00:28:16.000 I completely agree.

00:28:18.000 And so they got to do it again and to really focus in and target these senior voters.

00:28:23.000 But that's why Florida is in play.

00:28:25.000 I'm telling you, as close as Florida's been, if Trump was up where he was with seniors in 2016, he wins Florida by four.

00:28:33.000 Yes, that's right.

00:28:34.000 Seniors are the question mark.

00:28:35.000 And it's really interesting. 1.00

00:28:36.000 I had a roundtable with some friends yesterday and they said, what's the future of the party?

00:28:41.000 Look, I say, we're actually trending better with demographics than I would have thought. 1.00

00:28:46.000 I mean, we have blacks coming our way.

00:28:48.000 We have Hispanics.

00:28:50.000 We have, what's really interesting, we are dominating 40 to 55 year old women, 40 to 55 year old women that have kids in college or late high school in the demo.

00:28:59.000 Incredible. 0.79

00:28:59.000 Now, some are suburban women that don't like Trump that much, but they are skewing our direction. 0.79

00:29:04.000 30 to 40 year old women, not great.

00:29:06.000 18 to 30 year old women, not great.

00:29:08.000 But younger voters, I'm telling you, the numbers are going to come out.

00:29:11.000 Trump is going to overperform with young voters, 18 to 22, like no one could expect.

00:29:16.000 They have no enthusiasm for Biden.

00:29:18.000 So here's the question: and just kind of political science part of me is really interested: is that on-campus voter registration has plummeted?

00:29:26.000 On-campus voting is non-existent.

00:29:28.000 So you kind of that whole base of the Democrat party that goes under.

00:29:31.000 If Trump can close the gap with seniors, he wins the election.

00:29:34.000 I'm convinced of it.

00:29:35.000 But remember, because of COVID, a lot of these folks aren't on campus.

00:29:39.000 And that takes a lot of these urban areas where they were getting out the vote off the table.

00:29:43.000 Now, the question is: do they vote at home?

00:29:44.000 Maybe, but I don't think they're going to have the same mechanism that's there.

00:29:48.000 You can't gather it up on the quad where the student center is saying, okay, guys, we're all going to go vote now.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, those kind of clusters of voting have completely disappeared.

00:29:56.000 And I think that the virus plays a role in how a lot of these seniors are looking at Donald Trump.

00:30:02.000 They think that he's mismanaged it, or they really believe the virus is one of the biggest threats.

00:30:07.000 Now, I'm not saying it's not a threat.

00:30:08.000 I'm just thinking that that is a compartmentalized view of the American society right now.

00:30:13.000 I think that that is a single variable and variant analysis where you have the economy, you have health and welfare, you have all sorts of different things.

00:30:19.000 And besides the virus, can you comment on how you talk about in your book, Leading America?

00:30:24.000 Everyone go check out a copy right now, how the president handled the Chinese coronavirus well.

00:30:30.000 Well, look, I think at the beginning of this, the president communicated it very clearly what the thing where the president I think has misstepped is this.

00:30:38.000 It is a novel virus.

00:30:40.000 It changes.

00:30:41.000 We're adapting.

00:30:42.000 That's not his fault, right?

00:30:44.000 We learn new things every day.

00:30:45.000 The doctors initially told us that maths didn't do any good.

00:30:48.000 Then they told us they did.

00:30:49.000 Then they talked, I mean, and I think that I get it.

00:30:52.000 Like, it's new.

00:30:53.000 It's something that we're all evolving to.

00:30:56.000 And the president, I think, should embrace that and just say, guys, I'm doing everything I can to eradicate this, but it's not his fault when the science changes and when people are saying, well, it's okay to protest if you're going out for certain causes, but it's not okay to go to church.

00:31:14.000 It's not okay to do certain other activities.

00:31:16.000 This is where the media has and the left has really screwed the American people: is that certain activities are okay and certain aren't.

00:31:25.000 And that's the problem, Charlie, is that we're not, we talk about the president, all these people, he's being dishonest and isn't being straight with us.

00:31:31.000 Really?

00:31:32.000 To go tell people that depending on what they protest, it makes them, it's either a healthy thing or an unhealthy thing, give me a break.

00:31:39.000 It's outrageous.

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00:32:50.000 Sean, we're talking about the 2020 election.

00:32:53.000 We are in the last sprint.

00:32:54.000 Your book talks about this.

00:32:56.000 It's on everyone's mind.

00:32:59.000 There's a lot of complaints out there.

00:33:00.000 Will Durham do anything?

00:33:02.000 Rush investigation.

00:33:03.000 I think all the only focus needs to be we have to get low-propensity Republicans over the age of 60 to vote for Donald Trump.

00:33:10.000 I just, I just, it's that simple.

00:33:11.000 Every other demographic's actually accelerating in our in our direction.

00:33:16.000 Sean, you ran the RNC.

00:33:18.000 A lot of people watch this podcast.

00:33:19.000 A lot of people watch the rebroadcast of it.

00:33:21.000 If you were talking directly to the Trump campaign or the president, tell us exactly what you would say.

00:33:26.000 And also, please tell the people that are watching this or me knocking on doors, make the case for Trump for the demographics that we need to win over.

00:33:32.000 Look, he's accomplished a lot.

00:33:34.000 You go through the area, figure out what people care about.

00:33:37.000 But I think right now you're right.

00:33:38.000 We focus on seniors.

00:33:39.000 We talk about what he's doing, not just for that generation.

00:33:41.000 Seniors are very selfless.

00:33:43.000 They care about the next generation.

00:33:44.000 They want their kids and their grandkids to do well.

00:33:47.000 And so we need to talk about that American dream and what the president has done to make sure that we can continue to grow the economy, put people back to work, give them a career, retool and retrain, give people new opportunities that he did through the First Step Act.

00:34:00.000 But this president has done so much to give people opportunity.

00:34:04.000 And we need to focus on that.

00:34:05.000 And everything else, to your point, yes, I agree.

00:34:07.000 Get the Durham report at some point.

00:34:09.000 Make sure people are held accountable.

00:34:11.000 But there is not a single person that is already not voting for Donald Trump that's going to say, if that report comes out, oh, now I'll completely agree.

00:34:18.000 I agree.

00:34:19.000 Stay focused.

00:34:20.000 And guys, if you are knocking on a door right now, if you are calling a friend, understand, as I said earlier in the podcast and the show here, that these states are going to be close.

00:34:32.000 That friend that you drag, that colleague that you call, the relative that you haven't talked before, and say to them, this is what's at stake.

00:34:39.000 You need to vote when you need to vote for Trump pence because the other side, this is not a joke.

00:34:45.000 What Biden is willing to do is say, I'm so, I really want to be president.

00:34:48.000 I will give Kamala Harris the keys to the car.

00:34:51.000 That's dangerous, folks.

00:34:52.000 And if you don't get it, the problem, Charlie, is this.

00:34:56.000 We lost to Obama.

00:34:57.000 He put Obamacare into, and look at how hard it's been to dismantle.

00:35:01.000 Once Biden and Harris are in for 40 years, it will take generations to undo what they do, if ever.

00:35:09.000 You're exactly right.

00:35:10.000 And Obamacare was just one of the things that was put forward.

00:35:16.000 And I tell people, look, this election is going to have generational consequences and implications in more ways than one, in more ways than one.

00:35:25.000 So it's leading America.

00:35:26.000 Everyone, check out the copy.

00:35:28.000 In closing here, Sean, can you build out just for young people some of your advice?

00:35:33.000 You built a very good career.

00:35:34.000 You started in I heard your story when you spoke at Liberty University, pretty humble beginnings.

00:35:40.000 And you worked your way up to be press secretary for the president of the United States.

00:35:44.000 What were some lessons you want to communicate to younger listeners?

00:35:47.000 Look, I think the biggest one is get involved.

00:35:49.000 Figure out what you want to do.

00:35:50.000 I had some opportunities that made me realize what I didn't want to do as much as what I did want to do.

00:35:56.000 But getting involved, getting your hands dirty, figuring out how to be that person that solves problems, that works later than everyone else is where it happens.

00:36:04.000 I got where I am because I interned a ton of times.

00:36:07.000 I put in the extra hours.

00:36:08.000 I did the tasks that people didn't want to do, and I got recognized for it.

00:36:11.000 When I went to the RNC, almost every single person that I hired started as an intern for us.

00:36:17.000 We got to watch them.

00:36:18.000 We got to see how they were motivated.

00:36:20.000 We got to see their quality of work.

00:36:21.000 So if you get involved, you figure out what you like and don't like.

00:36:25.000 I found out through trial and error that I really like talking to the media and crafting messages as opposed to all the other stuff you can do in politics.

00:36:31.000 But it was through trial and error.

00:36:33.000 So go get involved, knock on some doors, write some press releases, get engaged, figure out what you like to do, what you don't like to do, and keep out certain opportunities to do that.

00:36:43.000 But look, I will just say this: you've been very kind with your time in the book.

00:36:48.000 Pay a lot of kudos to what you and Turning Point have done because you're absolutely right.

00:36:53.000 This election and the growth in the youth vote is because of an organization like Turning Point.

00:36:58.000 You guys have gone out there in the face of all these headwinds and say, we'll go onto college campuses, we'll go to the quad, we'll have that civil discussion.

00:37:05.000 And guess what?

00:37:06.000 We're going to present you with actual facts.

00:37:08.000 And that's what people need to know.

00:37:10.000 And Charlie Kirk did this from the ground up.

00:37:12.000 So if you have an idea, if your school doesn't have a Turning Point chapter, found one.

00:37:18.000 Get involved.

00:37:19.000 Get going.

00:37:20.000 And that's how the system changes by you getting involved.

00:37:25.000 That's exactly right.

00:37:26.000 Well, thank you.

00:37:27.000 We appreciate those kind words, Sean.

00:37:29.000 And, you know, getting engaged and getting involved and getting into the grassroots is exactly what's going to save our country.

00:37:35.000 And I had someone ask the question: well, what do I do?

00:37:37.000 Just get started, start something, knock on doors, make phone calls.

00:37:40.000 Inaction is giving the power, the keys to power to the other side.

00:37:45.000 And I really believe that if the silent majority, we use that term quite often, if every silent majority member made a phone call, got someone to the polls, chipped in $5, and wasn't just a spectator, but was an activist in this fight, we would win this election.

00:38:00.000 Sean, it's been great.

00:38:01.000 Leading America, everyone pick out a copy.

00:38:02.000 Thank you for what you've done for our country.

00:38:04.000 Everyone, check out charliekirk.com.

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00:38:10.000 And as always, thank you guys so much for listening.

00:38:12.000 Sean, thanks so much.

00:38:14.000 See you soon.

00:38:17.000 What a great conversation that was with Sean Spicer.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 13, 2020

How Trump Is Leading America Back To Capitalism, People, and Patriotism with Sean Spicer

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