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00:00:36.000This episode, I have a freewheeling conversation with Pastor Wade Burlinson from Eden, Oklahoma.
00:00:42.000Then I take some questions from the audience about how Christians should be involved in the public square, the vaccine, and so much more.
00:00:49.000It is new commentary, new ideas that we explore on this Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk Show as we continue our barnstorm tour across the country.
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00:01:35.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:38.000Don't, and just every single one of you, make sure you don't ridicule or mock or intimidate or make people feel bad if they made their own personal medical decision.
00:03:47.000I mean, this whole lot new framing of that we're going to ask everyone their personal medical history and you walk into a place of business is not only immoral, it's really creepy, actually.
00:03:56.000It's like, oh, yeah, I need you to show me your entire testing history.
00:04:00.000Like, that's really, that's a bridge too far.
00:04:01.000We have HIPAA laws in this country, and we need to defend, we need to actually enforce them.
00:04:06.000But look, I've never really been that interested in this issue.
00:04:09.000They made me interested in it because of how hyper-aggressive they have been pushing this thing over the last couple months.
00:04:17.000And so, back in November of last year, I said at a church very similar to this, my friend Greg Farrington's church up in Rockland, California.
00:04:24.000He said, Charlie, are you going to get the vaccine?
00:04:26.000And we didn't really even know what we were dealing with back then.
00:04:30.000I said, Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, not being overweight, you know, vitamin D, zinc, and being, you know, 27 years old, I wouldn't consider to take some experimental vaccine for me.
00:04:40.000And my opinion has not changed on this.
00:04:43.000And then all of a sudden, I started to realize their tone changed.
00:04:45.000It went from a potential option for people, which is the way they marketed it in March and April, to all of a sudden, if you don't get the vaccine, we are going to reconfigure and reorganize society and we're going to punish you.
00:04:59.000So I started to see this happen in April, and we did a podcast on it.
00:05:03.000Very few people listened to us, and no one in the Republican Party listened to us.
00:05:06.000They said, Oh, you're a fearmonger, you're scaring people.
00:05:09.000I said, No, no, no, it's going to happen by the summer where they're not going to let you into bars and restaurants if you don't have proof of vaccination.
00:05:14.000We were called conspiracy theorists by the Washington Post, New York Times, Huffington Post, all these people.
00:05:20.000And so, again, I really never was that, this wasn't a passion project for mine, but I would always go to events similar to this, and people would come up to me with these binders full of stories and testimony of very sincere arguments about how mass inoculation for children is having negative effects.
00:05:39.000And again, I really wasn't that interested in it.
00:05:53.000The last podcast I did before going on getting married and going on our honeymoon was the least controversial podcast you could do, which basically asking my audience, Hey, can you tell me personal experiences of people that you know that have taken the vaccine that have had an adverse event?
00:06:09.000Then I just turned off my laptop and went away for two weeks, right?
00:06:14.000And so, came back to 6,000 emails, comments, messages of personal testimony of the most unbelievable things you could read.
00:06:25.000And you know, after the 500th email of people that don't know each other from different parts of the country that are saying the same thing, you realize there might be a trend and a pattern behind this.
00:06:36.000And when you start to hear, like, oh, yeah, my dad was perfectly healthy, and then he got the second Moderna shot and he dropped dead, huh?
00:06:44.000I was seven months pregnant, and I got the vaccine at the insistence of my doctor, and I miscarried.
00:06:50.000And so, you start to hear these stories time and time again, and you say, Okay, maybe it's a one-off, maybe it's bias, it's sample bias, is the way you'd call it.
00:06:58.000Then, I really got my attention when I saw a guy who's really been mean to me over the years, Dr. Brett Weinstein, who's a secular atheist, evolutionary biologist from Seattle.
00:07:11.000He sends this video out, and I said, Okay, timeout.
00:07:14.000And it says, How I got red-pilled on the COVID vaccine.
00:07:17.000I said, You would be the last person in the world that I would expect would ever speak out about the vaccine.
00:07:24.000You watch this video, he has it with the founder of the mRNA vaccine, Dr. Robert Malone, and they start talking about it.
00:07:31.000And basically, his stance was that this vaccine was not like any others, it involved the spike protein, and you really should be careful before you take it.
00:07:39.000Of course, the video was removed from YouTube, you know, completely memory-hold, right?
00:07:43.000Memory hole is a term from George Orwell's 1984.
00:07:46.000And I said, Okay, something really sinister is going on here.
00:07:49.000The fact we can't even have dialogue, which is a great word, by the way, it's the Greek word dia-thru, logos reason.
00:07:55.000So that's what we're missing in America today, which is our ability to actually walk through and have a conversation and a discourse about these things.
00:08:03.000So I said, okay, at Turning Point USA, we are going to be the only mainstream conservative organization, I guess, that's going to speak out against mandatory vaccinations.
00:08:10.000And the kind of emphasis on mandatory, again, if you think it's a great thing, then go do it.
00:08:17.000I'm not going to tell you what the best medical decisions are for you.
00:08:20.000Everyone, the idea of personalization is what has always made Western medicine at least somewhat attractive to the rest of the world.
00:08:27.000So if you think it's your right decision, go do it.
00:08:30.000And so we launched this in early July called No Forced Vax, mostly to defend students on college campuses that were being forced to get the vaccine against their will.
00:08:51.000And by the way, even if you're the biggest vaccine advocate in the world, you should be equally upset that they're willing to use the levers of corporate and government power to force experimental medicine on your children.
00:09:44.000I can say in other states, you have governors forcing the vaccine, saying if you don't take the vaccine, you can't go to places of business.
00:09:54.000And then in a stunning turn of events, you have Trump-appointed Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who sees an appeal on forced vaccinations for the Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana, for forced vaccinations, which would have applied to 18,000 18, 19, 20, 21-year-olds that have such a minuscule chance of dying from the Chinese coronavirus, you can't even measure it.
00:10:18.000And they say, well, it's to keep the children safe.
00:10:58.000Yet we've entered into this cult of safetyism where somehow the people in charge have made this false promise and this false bargain that it's such against the American promise and our American contract.
00:12:01.000And if they're not going to follow these clear instructions, then we have to start to resort to other means, which is recalling these people, primarying these people, until you have Republicans that you put in office that actually defend the voters that put them there in the first place so that we can pursue the American way of life.
00:12:36.000So if I hear you right, what you're saying is, look, you're not telling people who have chosen to be vaccinated because personally, they've taken that risk ratio measurement and said, I think it's best for me.
00:12:49.000You're not saying, oh, no, no, shame on you.
00:12:51.000What you're saying is, I resist the mandatory nature of vaccines.
00:12:57.000Yes, I mean, what I have is a rather moderate political position on this.
00:13:30.000We elect these people to kind of make sure the threats don't hit us, to stave off the defenses.
00:13:37.000And so, yeah, and then I will also contribute to the conversation, which I have earlier, just to think openly about the vaccine and just go do your research.
00:13:46.000I am not an expert on the mRNA vaccine, but I have been completely underwhelmed by the experts talking about this.
00:13:53.000We know, according to Axios, the Pfizer vaccine was 42% effective in July.
00:14:24.000And I also think that if our leaders would have embraced this message, it actually would have been really politically popular.
00:14:33.000Instead, they went all in on this for whatever reason, maybe it's because they're crony campaign donors and contributors and the flow of money or whatever, or just the lack of moral courage and the gutless wonders that run the Republican Party in our country.
00:14:47.000And they basically said, oh, yeah, just kind of eventually that number is going to go down.
00:14:52.000And so I'm willing to play out the consequences of this.
00:15:46.000I will take the arrows for all of you that refuse to get vaccinated.
00:15:48.000Let them, and they do, by the way, they write front page articles on the Washington Post that I'm somehow like a domestic terror threat because I say a moderate political position that you shouldn't be forced to take experimental medicine.
00:15:57.000That's what our own government says, by the way.
00:15:59.000Department of Homeland Security terrorism bulletin two days ago came out that the greatest threat to the homeland was people that asked questions about the Chinese coronavirus and experimental medicine vaccine mandates.
00:16:12.000Thank goodness for the founding fathers that we still have some semblance.
00:16:16.000Imagine what they would do if we didn't have a Fourth Amendment, right?
00:16:18.000I mean, well, they really still do that, but at least we have the peace of mind that we could eventually maybe sue eventually if they do this stuff.
00:16:25.000But yeah, this is really dangerous times, Wade.
00:16:27.000And I refuse to conform at gunpoint and social pressure.
00:16:33.000You guys can all make your own decision.
00:16:34.000Obviously, I sense more sympathy than not here.
00:16:37.000But even if you're fully vaccinated, listen to this online on our podcast right now.
00:16:44.000The way they are advancing, the way they think they can social control you and your children, and that you will do what they tell you to do.
00:17:41.000If you kind of go back to what government is, the way they're ruling and the way they're implementing policy.
00:17:46.000I'm trying, if I could have a couple impacts on the Zeitgeist, if all of a sudden I start hearing regime from everyday people, then I will have done my job because that's what they are.
00:17:54.000So this regime, it's a really interesting thing.
00:17:57.000So yes, it's true that there's crony corporate donors influencing.
00:18:00.000It's totally true that there's this mid-level of the FBI and the NIH and kind of the scientists.
00:18:06.000You know, Socrates wrote a lot about this.
00:18:08.000Socrates said, a civilization will destroy itself if you allow scientists to run your country.
00:18:14.000It's like, that's what a beautiful piece of wisdom.
00:19:00.000By the way, Fauci should have been fired on day one.
00:19:03.000He is the most disgraceful person in the American government.
00:19:07.000And what a real disgrace, honestly, to our country and the people that serve in our country so wonderfully in the military to have to be represented by this apparatchik who lies constantly and is so self-interested.
00:19:23.000The highest paid employee in the entire federal bureaucracy is Anthony Fauci.
00:19:28.000Anyway, so Fauci was on one of these shows and someone asked him a good question.
00:19:34.000They said, well, Fauci, I refuse to call him Dr. Fauci, by the way.
00:20:03.000No more kissing, no more hugging, nothing, just bubble.
00:20:11.000And so then the host asked a really good follow-up question, right?
00:20:14.000Which the host said, well, then why did you say that it was perfectly safe for teenagers and college kids to do hookup culture on Tinder?
00:20:22.000And he knew that they got him, and he weaseled out of it, but he knew that the narrative on the left of premarital sex was so important that he couldn't violate that.
00:20:36.000That even if it was contradictory to the science, there were certain holy objects on the left, the narrative, that you don't touch.
00:20:45.000Why is it that all of a sudden they said, you have to stop congregating, got to slow the spread, and they allowed BLM to walk through the streets for months because that narrative was holy to them, right?
00:20:55.000The narrative actually is running the country.
00:20:57.000Now, who actually designs the narrative is a completely different question, but they're all committed to it.
00:21:03.000And no matter what, the new narrative, of course, if you look around this room, that if you watch CNN and MSNBC, they are committed to believe that the people in this room are the greatest terror threat to our civilization.
00:21:17.000I want you to understand the significance of that.
00:21:19.000I want you to go reread Biden's inaugural address.
00:22:15.000I would submit it's really the narrative.
00:22:17.000I think they are submitted, I think they are beholden to a set of unquestioned ideas and kind of holy relics on the left of mass movements, of social protests, even if they're completely contradictory to what's actually happening.
00:22:46.000So it's the narrative that is actually more important than the reality.
00:22:50.000And then there also is this managerial class, right?
00:22:52.000And this is the other part of it, which is a group of unelected, unknown, and unchecked bureaucrats that are running our government.
00:23:00.000And this is another thing the Republican Party has refused to do through the Senate and the House, is they have just completely and routinely, this non-stop delegated all their political power to this unchecked, unelected monolith of 5 million people in the federal bureaucracy that run NIH and CDC and the IRS, and they have created their own government.
00:23:21.000And that own government is trying to now basically govern the rest of the country at force extra-constitutionally.
00:23:29.000And then the final point I'll say of this of like kind of who is in charge.
00:23:34.000There is a small group of people that actually find this really weird sadistic pleasure in plundering the heartland of this country and actually pummeling us into submission.
00:23:45.000I mean, these are people that are worth $150 billion, like Jeff Bezos.
00:23:50.000And the thing he is most concerned about is eradicating white supremacy in the American heartland.
00:23:56.000That's the existential threat you're committing the rest of your life to through the Washington Post and all these other kinds of mechanisms.
00:24:04.000And so we can talk about why this is the case and what we can do about it.
00:24:09.000But yeah, I think that this kind of holy narratives that they have on the left, I think they're actually running the country.
00:24:41.000I'm on a board and I see several board members who are here.
00:24:44.000All these statues that are being torn down, we've created a park that we're trying to bring all the statues torn down in America to Enid, Oklahoma, Patriot Park, and so on, and do some instructions on who these people are.
00:25:04.000I thought your point this morning, I'd never seen this in scripture.
00:25:09.000When you talked about Noah being a righteous man amongst his contemporaries, an incredible point that if you didn't hear, all he was saying was this.
00:25:24.000The Bible measured Noah in the context of the people with whom he was living.
00:25:30.000And you've got to measure people, their righteousness, their goodness, what they do in the context of the culture and the people living around them.
00:25:43.000What is going on with this idea, the 1619 project, taking away the culture of America that we were taught growing up in school, the founding fathers and so on?
00:26:42.000It's the present that we care about, the past that we want to preserve and appreciate and glean wisdom from, and the future generations that we want to hopefully build something meaningful for.
00:26:52.000That's a three-tied knot, as Edmund Burke would call it.
00:26:55.000And so when you start to pompously come into a region of the country that mainly erected these monuments as a way to heal past the war, to keep the Union together, that's why they were there.
00:27:08.000They weren't there to try to protect institutionalized racism.
00:27:11.000That is total and complete garbage, is what it is.
00:27:15.000And, you know, obviously I sympathize with the Union side of the war philosophically and Abraham Lincoln.
00:27:22.000However, the strength of the entire Union post-American Civil War, especially in the 1900s, was the reason why we were able to fight and win two world wars, become an industrial power.
00:27:33.000It was the reason why we were able to beat the Soviet Union.
00:27:35.000If we were a fractured nation and didn't go through that process of healing, and we actually didn't have a proven way to do that, where you could have people who had ancestors a couple generations removed fight for a cause that lost and still want to be part of the broader project called the United States of America.
00:27:52.000To thread that needle, the fact we did that was actually rather remarkable.
00:27:55.000Maybe we should appreciate how that needle was actually threaded.
00:27:57.000Maybe we should say that there was a specific reason why all of a sudden we have Washington and Lee University.
00:28:04.000And obviously, I can go, you know, toe-to-toe the things I think Robert E. Lee believed that were wrong, but he was a statesman.
00:28:30.000If he was such a righteous man, why'd they have to put that in?
00:28:33.000It's because he was a relatively righteous man.
00:28:37.000Maybe if you compared him to Moses, he wasn't that righteous.
00:28:40.000Maybe if you compared him to Ezra, he wasn't that righteous.
00:28:45.000No, you have to look at people and times in the framework of where things are and how they are in the life and the custom that they lived in.
00:28:54.000And then also you have to realize the arc of history, and I call it a new founding after the American Civil War.
00:29:22.000You could argue Andrew Johnson and the presidents that followed didn't follow that advice, actually.
00:29:27.000And a lot of kind of the kind of quote-unquote division that happened in the election of 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes, when he withdrew from the American South, was actually because of the hyper-aggressive action in the late 1860s, 1870s.
00:29:44.000So I just wanted to comment on that statue issue.
00:29:47.000I go to toe-to-toe with the media on this all the time.
00:29:49.000They call me this defender of Confederate statues, which am I a defender of history?
00:30:34.000And it creates radicalism, is what it does, is it creates real radicalism, where all of a sudden people then start to embrace ideas they shouldn't embrace.
00:30:42.000When I would argue, one of the reasons why America was able to become, I think, more racially accepted, you know, accepting of other groups in the 60s, 70s, and 80s was because that balance was actually able to be struck at that time.
00:30:58.000Yeah, the American founding, man, we don't do a good job of teaching this at all, was one of the most miraculous developments in self-government in world history.
00:31:08.000The Constitution, largely written by James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, Madison really was the driver of it, is the greatest political document ever written in the history of the world.
00:31:19.000And the United States Constitution is a gift, and it's built on biblical principles of self-government, consent to the governed, separation of powers, checks and balances, God-granted rights.
00:31:31.000You read the preamble to the United States Constitution.
00:31:34.000There are seven action verbs in there, which is to promote, preserve, secure, defend.
00:31:44.000There's this idea that we, the people, are the sovereign with rights given to us naturally by God to conserve things that are good, true, and beautiful, to allow people to pursue righteousness without unrestricted power getting in the way.
00:31:57.000That has never been tried successfully before that.
00:31:59.000The Italian city-states, tribe-republics, fell apart.
00:32:02.000The Swiss tried a republic, fell apart.
00:32:05.000I mean, the Romans tried a republic, went into an empire.
00:32:08.000The Greeks tried a republic, fell apart.
00:32:10.000The fact that we have been able to have a superpower on a Republican small R style of government is an extraordinary thing.
00:32:17.000And yet, the people in charge want us to delete our history, destroy our heritage, and not have any sort of appreciation for the American story.
00:32:26.000And there is a great American story, and it's a story of heroism, of grit, perseverance, self-improvement, honesty, standing up for the little guy, sacrificing oneself, self, pioneering vacant and vacuous land.
00:32:39.000This is something that we need to teach our children honestly and directly.
00:32:45.000Of course, you should talk about the failures.
00:32:47.000But if you take the scorecard of America, the triumphs and the victories so far outweigh the failures of America, and I'll prove it to you.
00:32:53.000Remember, we all as human beings have something in common.
00:32:56.000Washington, Adams, John Jay, John Adams, they all had, Hamilton, they all had something in common.
00:33:05.000They all entered a world they didn't create.
00:33:07.000They all entered a world where slavery was universally accepted.
00:33:10.000And they exited a world where slavery was being questioned, was being eliminated, eradicated, and abolished in sovereign states where nine out of 13 of the states, by the time the Constitution was ratified in 1787, had already independently abolished slavery.
00:33:23.000That there was an abolition clause to get rid of slavery, the importation of slaves into the United States 20 years after ratification that Thomas Jefferson signed on March 3rd, 1807, his first act as president after the inaugural.
00:33:35.000That Thomas Jefferson, the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, blamed King George for bringing the sin of slavery to our shores.
00:33:42.000It was only because a spirit-filled activist Christians that reassessed the scriptures that all of a sudden they started to change the world that they entered that they did not create.
00:33:51.000Blaming slavery on the founding fathers is one of the most sloppy and quite honestly immoral arguments someone could make.
00:33:59.000They did not perfect it and they did not even defend it.
00:34:02.000In fact, they all admitted that we got to find a way to get rid of this.
00:34:05.000In fact, the Three Fifths Clause, which is commonly cited by sloppy, low IQ academics, it's like, oh, they didn't want to have black people have full citizenship.
00:34:13.000Why do you think that was actually that deal was struck?
00:34:16.000It was because the slave-owning states wanted to have a permanent monopoly on political power to give blacks citizenship, but not voting rights, so they could have an increased population that they could control the United States Congress.
00:34:29.000It was actually to make slave owners less powerful, not more powerful.
00:34:35.000Practical judgment, wisdom, craftiness, the ability to challenge evil for the institutions and eventually hopefully be able to get rid of these sort of practices.
00:34:44.000So, look, I could go on endlessly about the American founding, as you could tell.
00:34:48.000I mean, it's one of my most passionate things in my entire life because we are so lucky.
00:34:53.000We should thank the Lord that we live in the country that we live in.
00:34:56.000The sacrifices were made before us because we could live in a country that doesn't have that small R form of government, where your rights are not protected by that, have been given by God and protected by government.
00:35:33.000And I know in looking back, all of us who publicly speak, we say things that in reflection, we're like, oh, I might could have said it better.
00:35:43.000But you explained to me what your heart was.
00:36:00.000I believe that we are losing duty in our country and duty to a higher purpose and a higher power.
00:36:08.000And so Simone Biles came and did a press conference where she said, I wanted the Olympics to be all about me and I wasn't having fun anymore and that I'm going to prioritize myself over Olympic competition.
00:36:20.000And so, yeah, I mean, look, when you do live radio, I do three hours of radio a day.
00:36:23.000You say things that sometimes you would have said the word selection more precisely.
00:36:27.000I will go back and say I actually think that there's new evidence to show that I might have been right about that.
00:37:02.000They're like life for me and not for thee.
00:37:04.000Like, okay, it's cool that I got adopted and other people shouldn't.
00:37:08.000She went on a whole rant last week about the merits of abortion, about how we need to have more abortions in America, more accessible.
00:37:15.000So I'll go back to my original comments, though, which is this, which is when you're competing on the international stage and you're giving a press conference to explain your decision, look, it would be one thing if she would have said, you know, look, I'm a mess.
00:37:38.000When you put on Team USA's uniform and to go compete internationally against our greatest geopolitical enemies, it might not mean this to us, but to the other world, these are feeders of war.
00:37:47.000The Chinese Communist Party was propagandizing their people that they were going to beat us in the gold medal count.
00:37:53.000Then if they did, that would be the turning point to show that the Chinese Communist Party was a greater strength than us.
00:37:58.000I know that it might not mean it's like an athletic competition to us.
00:38:00.000No, their generals and their military watch this with precision to try to propagandize their public in that way.
00:38:07.000So when all of a sudden I hear the messages, you know what?
00:38:11.000All of a sudden, I realize that sign that I have, that you have out here right before you walk on stage at this church, it says, it's not about you.
00:38:20.000And so, yeah, I stand by my sentiment in my comments.
00:38:23.000And I think that young people should realize that it's a moral thing to have an obligation to something bigger than yourselves, to understand your place in a transcendent order.
00:38:33.000And part of that, especially, is a duty and obligation to your fellow countrymen, your flag, your nation, the history, the heritage.
00:38:40.000Olympics have been, in the last hundred years, a place where Americans have shown the virtue of being American.
00:38:47.000It was Jesse Owens that won the gold medal against the evil Nazis when Hitler refused to shake his hand.
00:38:53.000It was us that beat the East Germans and the Soviets in Olympic theater.
00:38:57.000That was a demoralizing blow to the soulless, godless Russians.
00:39:01.000So make no mistake, Olympic competition is not just like an NCAA competition.
00:39:06.000This is a chance for us as a people, as a country, to show the rest of the world who are our values, who are our morals.
00:39:11.000So yes, I did get very heated, understandably, would have been more precise in two words, but I think I've been vindicated in recent events on some of them, in the sense of this.
00:39:20.000If you're going to do a press conference wearing that beautiful American flag, I don't want to hear about yourself.
00:39:25.000I want to hear about our nation and a commitment to something bigger than yourself.
00:39:37.000The reason I ask you that question is that there's someone I've never met who sent me a public social media post that said, how could you give a man like Charlie Kirk a platform when he said this?
00:40:13.000They went to the beaches of Normandy risking their lives for this country.
00:40:19.000And I think that was the heart of what was being said.
00:40:25.000Okay, let's come to a project that you're just starting and launching in Turning Point, USA.
00:40:34.000Enid recently has gone through some changes.
00:40:38.000We basically people here have said, look, we're not going to stand by and let local government, local school boards, local elections go by with our involvement.
00:41:52.000It's easy to take that for granted, right?
00:41:55.000But I'm telling you right now, the fact that you don't have the Oklahoma Department of Health right now writing you a citation of a fine you must pay is because you elected better leaders than California did.
00:42:05.000My friend, Pastor Mike McClure from Calvary Chapel, San Jose, is facing $3 million in fines because he opened his church on Easter and Pentecost because he wanted to save people.
00:42:15.000And he said, and this is what a hero says, he said, they can find me whatever they want on this earth.
00:42:19.000The souls that we saved and baptized are worth a lot more than the dollars and the jail time that they're threatening you with.
00:43:07.000And we as conservatives have had the pyramid completely upside down.
00:43:11.000We've been so focused on federal salvation.
00:43:14.000You know what I mean by that, not eternal, but federal changes and federal adjustments that we really haven't done what we have to do on the state and local level.
00:43:33.000So we just haven't really always had the time or energy or commitment to do that.
00:43:37.000That has to change, and it has to change quickly.
00:43:39.000The second thing I'll say, though, is that you have a lot more power on the local level than you realize.
00:43:46.000These are really low turnout elections.
00:43:49.000With people, if somebody like wants to be on the school board that doesn't have kids in the school district, they shouldn't be allowed to be on the school board.
00:43:57.000Those people, like there's something wrong with that, right?
00:43:59.000If you don't have kids and you like want to be on the school board, like really badly, like hold on a second, let's take pause.
00:44:04.000I'm sure there might be an exception here or somewhere.
00:44:06.000But generally, in Phoenix, when we're dealing with these people, they're like these 38-year-old unmarried kind of kind of creepy people that like all of a sudden run for a school board.
00:44:16.000Like, yeah, this guy seems nice enough.
00:44:17.000Next thing you know, he's pushing critical race theory, mandatory masks, and mandatory vaccines.
00:44:21.000Like, you don't have a kid in the district, and you're doing this.
00:44:24.000And so, yeah, this is the call to action.
00:44:29.000And I'm writing a series of essays called How We Win.
00:44:32.000It's a three-part essay of describing what winning is.
00:44:35.000The second one is describing the vulnerabilities of the current regime and the assets that we have at our disposal.
00:44:40.000And the third thing is kind of a call to action, which I'll kind of preview right now, which is just a realization of the cost and the time that this is going to take.
00:44:49.000You have to recommit yourself, every single person here and watching online, to a completely different way of living than you have the last your entire life.
00:45:36.000Now, it's going to be a process at times, right, of finding other purchasing options, but that's only part of it.
00:45:42.000You know, Aristotle said that we are all political beings at nature, that we actually desire politics.
00:45:49.000Politics, he said, is the highest form of community because it combines morality and sociability.
00:45:55.000And you look at it, we as conservatives have actually not played into this for so long, and that is an unrealized political, you know, political power.
00:46:05.000I know you said you wanted to take like a short breather, but I do want to make this point.
00:46:10.000And actually, I could preview this so that no one will leave.
00:46:16.000There is this thing about the regime that is currently dominating us that should give you all hope.
00:46:28.000They're almost super worried that white Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians are going to rise up in massive numbers in Oklahoma and Missouri.
00:46:36.000And all of a sudden, maybe we are the most powerful people in the country.
00:46:39.000Now, I'm not talking about like rising up like they try to fear monger.
00:46:57.000Do you notice they are the first people to win an election that are constantly looking over their shoulder, worried about the equal and opposite reaction?
00:47:06.000You have to realize how much unrealized purchasing power and political power we all have.
00:47:11.000So part of how we win is that if anyone here is over the age of 35, you have to completely reorient your life.
00:47:21.000The days of America where you could watch baseball without a political message are over.
00:47:33.000Everything I will do will be in alignment with truth.
00:47:36.000What I buy, how I educate my kids, where I travel, the candidates I vote for, my free time, my prayers are all going to be in alignment with that.
00:50:23.000We want to play a role in trying to turn the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world around, specifically first and foremost, by playing offense with a sense of urgency with young people and students in high school and college campuses.
00:50:38.000We are the largest conservative student organization in the country.
00:50:42.000We have well over 175 full-time people on our staff now.
00:50:45.000We have just launched Turning Point Faith, where we want to be an assist and we want to be an active help to strengthen the church and to support pastors that stand for truth and try to build a broad-based coalition for liberty.
00:51:01.000And by the way, you have a wonderful pastor here.
00:51:54.000But yeah, it's just been a wonderful journey.
00:51:57.000And I also just want to be an example for young people that might not think college is the right choice for you, that might have a vision, something that you want to pursue.
00:52:06.000I want you to know that your worth does not decrease just because you don't have a piece of paper from some sort of anti-American taxpayer fund institution.
00:53:00.000On one of your podcasts, I think it might have been with David Hasbro, Project Veritas, I think is his name.
00:53:06.000You mentioned an organization called Conscious Kid, and you referred to that organization as an offensive coordinator, sort of for the current zeitgeist that we're seeing around it.
00:53:15.000So I would submit that while the offensive coordinators may exist, they don't have to, because I believe that the only thing required for people to behave similarly is to have a similar worldview, specifically the secular, humanist, critical theory worldview.
00:53:32.000So my question, because you have this broader perspective than do I, my question is, how much of our population do you think has actually internalized and actually believes that the deconstruction of America is a good thing?
00:53:46.000And how many, how, and what percentage is just Lenin's useful idiots?
00:54:12.000And we keep on sending them to these universities that don't teach critical thinking, they don't teach the classics, they don't teach the great books, they don't teach our history.
00:54:20.000Instead, they come at it from a deconstructionist, humanist, nihilistic point of view.
00:54:24.000And all of a sudden, you shouldn't be surprised when all of a sudden the country starts to kind of tear itself apart.
00:54:28.000I would say, look, it's hard to kind of do the percentage quartile.
00:54:31.000In this state, it's obviously lower, but nationally, there's, I would say, 25% of our fellow countrymen really believe this country is a mistake and it needs to be burned to the ground and resurrected with something new.
00:54:43.000And unfortunately, it's not just about that 25%.
00:54:48.000This is the bizarre thing: it's the wealthiest people and the people that have benefited the most that are active participants in this.
00:54:56.000These are the people that have dedicated their life and their resources to try and completely redefine what America is and what it means.
00:55:04.000This is George Soros who dedicates $19 billion of his $21 billion to the deconstruction and, quite honestly, the dismantling of the United States of America.
00:55:14.000It's Jeff Bezos, who has $150 billion who buys the Washington Post.
00:55:19.000It's Zuckerberg who put $400 million into our last election.
00:55:23.000And one thing that I could critique the Republican Party for, it's a lot actually, over the last decade, is that we never should have embraced this belief that we should just cut taxes for the wealthiest people in the country.
00:55:35.000You know, I'm all for cutting taxes for business owners and entrepreneurs.
00:55:39.000But quite honestly, Jeff Bezos, like really, that's what our party's going to defend?
00:55:43.000People that use their resources and their assets to actively try to usurp and undermine the United States of America?
00:55:50.000You know, we should stand for a vibrant and strong American middle class.
00:55:55.000The American way of life is this, and we've lost this, that you should not have to have both the mother and father in the workforce to be able to sustain a middle-class family.
00:56:07.000That it should be optional if the woman wants to go in the workforce, but there should be jobs available, and the social contract should warrant that if just the man wants to work, that they can support a middle-class family of four to five children.
00:57:20.000And Trump was willing to say it out loud.
00:57:22.000And he has changed, I think, the entire American political conversation for good.
00:57:27.000I'm optimistic because I actually believe deep down, this kind of radical posturing by the elite class and their enforcers, their shock troops, which are kind of the BLM folks that go around to loot, pillage, and destroy.
00:57:40.000I actually think they're in a vast minority.
00:57:42.000I think that this country is more politically centrist and center-right than we give it credit for.
00:57:47.000Sometimes there's an information loop.
00:57:49.000Sometimes we're not able to communicate these values and these ideas.
00:57:52.000But deep down, a non-radical position that we should espouse, which is this country is the greatest in the world, that we need to preserve and protect it.
00:58:03.000And we want to be a party and a movement that supports having lots of children, being able to put things that matter, like the Lord and the church first, and to defend the American way of life.
00:58:15.000If Republicans just said that and did a little bit, we would win every single election in a landslide.
00:58:41.000Here in Oklahoma, I believe we do a wonderful job of making sure that the voter that's voting is actually a real voter that needs to be voting.
00:58:52.000But that's not the case throughout the rest of America.
00:58:56.000What can we do as Oklahomans to help these other states go ahead and be able to go ahead and realize we need to have people that are actually alive actually deserve to vote?
00:59:20.000On our show, our podcast, you will find we are one of the few that continue to talk about The probably the most important structural issue, which is the way we do elections in this country.
00:59:31.000If we do not fix the way we do elections in this country, everything I just talked about for the last hour is null and void.
00:59:36.000We have to structurally fix the way that we do elections, specifically in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
01:00:33.000Schumer only controls it with a tie-breaking vote, vote of Kamala Harris.
01:00:38.000So your two U.S. senators, if they are not constantly having the drumbeat about voter integrity, and all of a sudden if they have a change of mind on that, they should hear from you on that.
01:00:48.000You know, what's really interesting about Oklahoma is that everyone kind of knows everyone goes to church and they shop.
01:00:54.000And you guys don't have to just go through a portal.
01:00:56.000That's not the case, by the way, in California.
01:00:58.000Good luck finding your senator in California, right?
01:01:01.000This is a little bit different type of state.
01:01:03.000You all know where these guys go to church.
01:01:05.000I'm not saying harass them, but be clear about it.
01:01:07.000Be like, hey, can you explain to me why all of a sudden you're not calling for a huge audit investigation into the way these elections are done from the federal level?
01:01:15.000Well, we don't control the chambers of power.
01:01:16.000Well, you get to call some witnesses, don't you?
01:01:18.000I mean, you get to have some sort of oversight.
01:03:29.000We need to call out the other side for their deep state trickery every time it rears its head.
01:03:33.000And by the way, this whole idea, like, well, we don't have power, they do understand like 90% of being in the United States Senate is show theater, right?
01:03:52.000And so, yeah, I'm really disappointed that this wonderful, beautiful state is being represented by just another transactional kind of lobbyist supported person.
01:03:59.000That's not to say that I'm, you know, fully informed about the entire voting record there, but that's a letdown, to be perfectly honest, because I believe in this very simple idea that political power is given, okay?
01:04:13.000They are not entitled to political power.
01:04:32.000And why am I not doing something about it?
01:04:34.000And that's a really important question.
01:04:36.000So anyway, that's my current shtick on that.
01:04:40.000And I'll just kind of complete the point by also just saying that the Democrats in D.C., if I could just talk strictly political here, and Turning Point USA is a 501c3, so we're just on educational and cultural issues, but talking political personally here, they don't fear us.
01:04:57.000They don't fear any sort of retribution or backlash.
01:05:00.000They believe that they can crush us into submission and we are going to take it.
01:05:04.000They do fear Rand Paul and Josh Hawley.
01:05:07.000They fear them because they speak out and they're willing to use subpoena power and call Fauci at these hearings.
01:05:29.000Could you touch on critical race theory and the states that are embracing it, the states that are rejecting it, and just kind of its agenda in schools?
01:05:37.000Yeah, I want to compliment your governor.
01:05:38.000I was really impressed when I spent time with him back in March.
01:05:42.000He signed a ban on critical race theory and got a lot of backlash for it.
01:08:26.000That empowers the individual, puts an emphasis on meritocracy, on choice, on action, on agency, which is what's called the Protestant work ethic.
01:08:36.000Every one of you need to be alert and aware that these insidious ideas are being implemented in your schools.
01:08:43.000It might not call itself critical race theory.
01:08:45.000Oh, we don't teach critical race theory.
01:08:47.000Here's what they will call it, equity training, social-emotional learning.
01:08:51.000There's all sorts of different things that are implemented.
01:09:34.000If that interests you at all, it's homeschool supplemental curriculum that you can go through.
01:09:38.000It's a full curriculum on the American story, and then there's 25 online courses you can go through from Euclidean geometry to Aristotle's ethics to Sparta versus Athens to the Federalist Papers, Constitution 101.
01:09:52.000Every night, my wife will tell you, I go through my own Hillsdale online courses.
01:09:55.000People say, Charlie, how do you know so much about all this stuff?
01:09:58.000I take these courses, and I take the tests, and I go through them.
01:10:01.000They are rigorous, but they are fulfilling.
01:10:03.000You will end up wanting to fight for your country more.
01:10:06.000You'll end up having more clarity the more you realize the history, the sacrifice, and the beauty of the tradition before us.
01:10:11.000So if that piqued your curiosity, it's charlieforhillsdale.com.
01:11:06.000So, I say this to our turning point USA students all the time.
01:11:09.000So, we just had an amazing gathering in Tampa, Florida, 4,000 young students from across the country.
01:11:14.000If you've ever been to a turning point event, or if you haven't, you guys have to attend.
01:11:18.000It's the most fulfilling experience to see students from all walks of life and differences and backgrounds commit themselves to trying to save Western civilization.
01:11:28.000But you know what I tell these students is I start with the honest truth, which is if you're going to stand for truth, you will lose friends, be kicked out of social groups, and you might have more difficulty finding jobs.
01:11:41.000But I can promise you one thing that no one else can promise you: you can be the same person in public that you are in private.
01:12:02.000Say the same things you say to your friends that you say publicly.
01:12:05.000And the other thing is this: which is, if you want to pursue truth, dive into an intellectual tradition that has been rigorously, that has been rigorously defended around what is truth and where does it come from.
01:12:20.000I talk about this is one of the reasons why I partnered with Hillsdale.
01:12:23.000There is this very disturbing trend of children that are raised in evangelical homes that are defecting from their faith.
01:12:29.000One of the reasons, and this is the classical argument, is not all of them have been classically educated.
01:12:35.000Classical education will logically bring a child up to the conclusion that there is an unmoved mover, that there is a creator to creation, and all of a sudden they will have the tools necessary to defend against Satan's attacks to try to have them doubt their faith.
01:12:50.000So, I tell young Christians that want to pursue truth: know your Thomas Aquinas, know your Aristotle, know the metaphysics arguments, because you're not the first person to wrestle with these.
01:13:00.000What I have found, and there's an example of this of someone in a southern state, I won't say which one because they'll know I'm talking about it.
01:13:06.000But he was raised in an evangelical home, pastor's kid, right?
01:13:10.000Bible is true, an errant word, but never really was taught why it was true, never really taught the metaphysics, doesn't walk with the Lord anymore, deconstructed, walked away from all of it.
01:13:18.000And I've seen that happen in disturbing numbers.
01:13:20.000And so, I just want to make sure you're armed with the expectation and the ability to be able to contest and fight for truth.
01:13:26.000And then, the final thing is this: commit yourself to courage.
01:13:31.000Courage is not passed in the bloodstream.
01:13:33.000Here's the cool thing about courage, and that we saw this in World War II.
01:13:37.000Combat theaters are really interesting lessons for human behavior: is that the tallest, biggest, and sometimes strongest man had the least courage.
01:13:46.000Courage is something that every single person has access to.
01:13:50.000It doesn't matter your intellect, your ability to reason.
01:13:53.000It doesn't matter if you're fast or you're slow.
01:13:56.000It takes a conscious decision to be courageous.
01:13:59.000George S. Patton, one of the greatest figures ever to live in American history, said, Moral courage is the most necessary yet absent characteristic in men.
01:14:06.000Aristotle said, Courage is the virtue that ties all the other virtues together.
01:14:10.000You cannot have justice, contemplation, friendship, peace, or prosperity if you do not have courageous people that are willing to do something about it.
01:15:00.000And after the January 6th protest, he suggested that Trump supporters should just be executed.
01:15:07.000Now, my issue is, Charlie, in this debate, you let him do a lot of the talking, and you didn't really push back on him that much.
01:15:19.000Why should we have dialogue with someone as disgusting as Valsh, who would like to basically, you know, kill someone like me and you when Valsh is disgusting like that?
01:15:34.000Shouldn't we be more in the process of, frankly, humiliating these people and basically owning them?
01:15:47.000Yeah, I mean, you're telling me more about him than I knew.
01:15:49.000I mean, I just knew he was kind of a YouTube personality and kind of hadn't shaved in a while.
01:15:54.000I mean, look, I tend to try to have, maybe it's idealistic, you know, this kind of Christian idea that dialogue is really important before we kind of descend into the lower rungs of humanity.
01:16:08.000But yeah, look, I'm going to go into a discourse that's set up by a neutral party like Tim Poole, as long as it doesn't descend into a direction I don't like with at least the good spiritedness of trying to pursue truth and reason.
01:16:20.000You've just educated me a lot on some of his views.
01:16:23.000I came in just knowing he was kind of like this weird libertarian socialist.
01:16:27.000And I felt actually I got lots of emails that people were persuaded by some of the questions that I asked and kind of the mannerisms that I put forward.
01:16:38.000So I'd actually ask you to kind of think about that and reflect on that.
01:16:41.000Because if I went in with a belligerent attitude trying to just blow up the whole thing, I don't know if that would have been helpful to the cause.
01:16:48.000Maybe I should have been more informed with his prior weird remarks towards that stuff, I guess.
01:16:53.000But, you know, you're doing a lot of things at once.
01:16:55.000I don't exactly have a focus on trying to figure out every sort of opinion that someone on YouTube has ever held.
01:18:26.000My job is to arm them before they go to college because they're going to go in, especially from Oklahoma, and their mind is going to be blown and they're going to believe anything anybody tells them.
01:18:37.000But now I'm out of a job because I've got censored from both sides.
01:18:42.000So if I decide to go back into teaching, what does someone like me do?
01:20:07.000Yeah, so is a parent saying you're not doing enough?
01:20:10.000So if you're on the right, especially now with the new law about critical race theory, is that they don't even want the kids to have a discussion in class.
01:20:20.000Well, if I don't discuss it in class, then they're going to go out into the world and they're going to believe something that's not correct.
01:20:29.000And I can also see where the parents are coming from.
01:20:31.000I mean, critical race theory is eugenics, is basically the furthest extrapolation.
01:20:35.000There are certain things we don't teach in school for a reason.
01:20:38.000They have no place in an academic theater, especially in the development of young children.
01:20:43.000Happy to dialogue with this privately, but I will say this: that education exists to try to lead children to truth, to goodness, and to beauty.
01:20:52.000It does not exist to try to give them kind of a portfolio of all the different opinions in the world.
01:22:04.000I think it should be easier to purchase guns in this country, not harder.
01:22:08.000And I think we should encourage more firearm ownership, responsible firearm ownership, for the citizenry to be able to protect themselves and their way of life.
01:22:16.000And we should resist the even notion that guns are going to be registered and confiscated in this country.
01:22:21.000The government has no business doing that.
01:23:12.000No, I don't necessarily think that's the case.
01:23:15.000I think there will be a movement, though, of people that live in red states that start to come to the realization.
01:23:21.000I did a whole podcast on this, and it was very controversial.
01:23:24.000I don't think it was, but I mean, people, you know, it was called slow motion secession, which is that we're already living through a secession movement.
01:24:01.000I think that instead you're going to see a coalition of red states that are going to kind of say, outside of the unified currency, what exactly are we doing here?
01:24:08.000And why are we cooperating to a federal government that hates us?
01:24:13.000That is not a clean break or something that's easy to broker.
01:24:15.000Thankfully, all those states are contiguous, so there's something to that, right?
01:24:21.000But yeah, look, there will be a breaking point where towns like this are basically going to say, what's the point again for not allowing us to govern ourselves?
01:24:30.000Like, what do we get out of the people of San Francisco and New York?
01:25:30.000I think I'm going to stop with you, and that way, these who've been standing in line, thank you for your patience, but we're going to have to end it with one final question that I want to ask of you, and then just some instructions before we dismiss.
01:25:46.000Yeah, I think we're going to stop with Dana.
01:25:57.000So it's from a military wife, and she says, as a military spouse, how do I support my active duty member who faces division and mandates daily?
01:26:14.000I'm glad you pressed, and I understand why you were asked to ask that.
01:26:19.000Okay, so on behalf of a military couple here tonight who wish to remain anonymous, how can you support my husband who's really undergoing it?
01:26:29.000Yeah, so this is this is kind of actually completes the point with the final part of the essay I'm going to write, How We Win, and this is a perfect actual ending to all of this, which is the brutal realization of the moment that we're in, which is, as I answered that question about the conversation I had with the libertarian socialists, that was helpful in trying to change the zeitgeist of persuadable people.
01:26:50.000I'm telling you right now, the people in charge, they're not going to be convinced any longer.
01:26:54.000They are going to mandate vaccines for active duty personnel very soon, unless all of a sudden, the combined political power of the state and local level all of a sudden push back against this.
01:27:05.000This is where your governor needs to get involved.
01:27:07.000This is where your governor is like, hey, any state support for the federal military in Oklahoma is going to stop if you mandate vaccines.
01:27:52.000If all of a sudden you're going to make an argument, needs-based moral argument, well, we can't kick people out of their homes because the Delta variant, like, okay, well, you can't cancel jobs on the pipeline and you can't sacrifice their energy independence.
01:28:03.000They're going back to work tomorrow by executive order of the governor of Oklahoma, South Dakota, North Dakota.
01:28:07.000The federal government has no say here.
01:28:08.000Now, you can have a nullification crisis if you do that, make no mistake.
01:28:13.000These are weak people that will shatter at the first point of con.
01:28:17.000I deal with these people all day long, okay?
01:28:19.000These are paranoid people that don't think we're ever going to rise up and challenge them.
01:28:23.000So from the military side, it would be great if we had senators that actually decided to defend our military against forced vaccinations.
01:28:29.000I haven't seen their comments on that, but this would be a great kind of chance for Inhoff to kind of flex his muscle with all of the multi-decades of credibility he's built on the Armed Services Committee.
01:28:39.000If I'm not mistaken, that's been one of his highlights of his career.
01:28:45.000He knows every single one of these generals by name and has given them everything they wanted the last 30 years, every stupid war that we've gotten into of rebuilding a country that falls apart in an afternoon when we decide to pull out.
01:28:56.000It's about maybe Senator Inhoff, with all the respect I have for him, which is a lot.
01:29:00.000He needs to stand up and say, my entire career, I gave you every helicopter, every missile you asked for.
01:29:05.000You are not vaccinating active duty personnel in this state or across the country.
01:29:31.000You have our heroes at Air Force bases that are sending me these beautiful letters across the country saying, I am being forced to take a medical, experimental medical vaccine against my will.
01:29:42.000I want to sacrifice my country, and my own leaders won't stand up for me.
01:29:59.000Well, I can't abolish slavery, but under act of war, I can say you can serve in my military if I abolish slave and emancipate those that might already be slaved.
01:30:05.000And in the middle states, like, well, that's kind of unprecedented.
01:30:20.000If we can't stand up for our veterans, what good is our political system?
01:30:24.000Yes, it's time to start raising the temperature.
01:30:25.000It's time to start using political power.
01:30:28.000This vaccine is a trial run for Orwellian totalitarianism.
01:30:32.000And so your leaders in this state have a real chance in the next 60 days to find out what they're made out of.
01:30:37.000They've done a lot over the last couple of years for this entire military-industrial complex.
01:30:41.000I sure hope they start using that muscle.
01:30:43.000If this is not your home church and you have a pastor that might want to be part of a coalition for liberty, please contact us at Turning Point Faith and talk to Jonathan.
01:30:51.000If you're interested in the homeschool thing, if I could just summarize some of the points, that's okay.