The Charlie Kirk Show - How Will Gen Z Achieve the American Dream? My Debates at the University of Georgia

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, my conversation at the University of Georgia, right on the front lines.

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00:01:15.000 Hello.

00:01:16.000 Hi.

00:01:17.000 Oh, you got the Democrat sticker.

00:01:18.000 Yeah, I do.

00:01:19.000 Okay, good.

00:01:22.000 It's okay.

00:01:23.000 Hey, give the Democrats the respect that you guys never get on campus, okay?

00:01:27.000 Show them a little respect, okay?

00:01:28.000 So I have a two-part question pertaining to the Civil Rights Movement and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

00:01:34.000 So you've been on record saying that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, why did I say that?

00:01:40.000 I know you have like a nuanced take about it.

00:01:43.000 I was just wondering...

00:01:44.000 My second question is where I really want to get into a new opinion that you may have, but I was wondering if you could first set the stage with your beliefs about that.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, I mean, it was written way too broadly, and now it's being used in ways that it was never intended.

00:01:55.000 We both agree that segregation based on race should be illegal, but now that it's being used, for example, to allow men and female sports as a complete over- We can all agree on that. 0.96

00:02:17.000 And so it has gone way beyond its original intent, so I believe that it should have been written with more precision and probably not as long and not as wide-reaching.

00:02:25.000 However, the intent was very noble and very righteous.

00:02:27.000 Okay, and yes, I would agree that men have no place in women's sports. 1.00

00:02:31.000 But my second part of my question would say that you've also kind of been very critical of...

00:02:37.000 Of MLK and pertain to a lot of his character issues, right?

00:02:41.000 And you've said that you've been trying to kind of, not rewrite, but examine MLK in a new way recently.

00:02:47.000 And you also have been quoted saying that when MLK started to become idolized, that the progress of black America goes sideways.

00:02:54.000 And a lot of that, from my understanding, you may correct me if I'm wrong, is due to his character and so forth. 0.98

00:03:00.000 Yet, like, we stand here, and you're a proud supporter of Donald Trump, someone who is a multi-time adulterer, has been convicted in a civil court of sexual abuse, and is a perpetual liar.

00:03:10.000 So my question would be, if it is a mistake to idolize MLK for his character issues, despite his groundbreaking leadership in the civil rights movement, how is Trump someone that can be held in such a heroic light?

00:03:19.000 Yeah, well, first of all, MLK is one of the few people that has a national holiday.

00:03:23.000 So you can agree that's a pretty high standard, right?

00:03:26.000 I mean, do you think Donald Trump deserves a national holiday?

00:03:29.000 No.

00:03:29.000 Yeah, okay.

00:03:30.000 So the point is this, is that MLK gets held up to a very high standard and yet gets almost no opposition.

00:03:35.000 He did some amazing things.

00:03:36.000 He also did some things that are worthy of question and examination.

00:03:39.000 That's all that I did earlier this year.

00:03:41.000 But as far as the other thing, I think we all agree that we're not voting for a pastor or for a priest.

00:03:44.000 We're voting for A president that has flaws but did a wonderful job when he was first president and will do a wonderful job again.

00:03:50.000 And more importantly, you're voting for 5,000 people that will run your government.

00:03:54.000 And the fact that Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, and Bobby Kennedy are now joining the Trump team and the Trump ticket is all the more reason.

00:04:01.000 And so you can have fair objections to Trump's past.

00:04:04.000 It's been very eventful and very colorful.

00:04:06.000 I will say, though, he was an effective president, and he has a lot of virtues as well.

00:04:10.000 Courage under fire, relentless perseverance, and a heart for the American people to keep on fighting for them.

00:04:17.000 And so I don't think either should be venerated, nor they should be idolized, but I do think Donald Trump should be voted for, which I think is a very important distinction.

00:04:23.000 Fair point.

00:04:24.000 Thank you so much.

00:04:24.000 Thank you.

00:04:25.000 Appreciate it.

00:04:26.000 Who's up?

00:04:27.000 Disagreements, welcome.

00:04:28.000 So, both my dad and I respect what you do.

00:04:32.000 Love it.

00:04:32.000 Love seeing your videos.

00:04:34.000 He isn't here right now, but he wanted to ask you a question.

00:04:39.000 How would ideologically conservative people, and he works for the government, right, best make a difference from inside the government?

00:04:50.000 We get lumped in with statist and elitist-minded people who feel they know what's best for the masses, and he feels like he gets punished for speaking out for trying to promote transparency.

00:05:03.000 What is his job, can I ask?

00:05:06.000 He's in the Department of Defense.

00:05:07.000 Oh, wow.

00:05:08.000 Okay.

00:05:09.000 Well, first and foremost, he has to always act with integrity and understand that there's a lot of good people within the FBI and the Department of Defense that are being told to do bad things.

00:05:18.000 So hopefully we'll have a new president in two weeks and then eventually in January that will, for example, in the DOD, it's insane that we have this DEI transgender nonsense in the military. 1.00

00:05:28.000 The military should be about defeating our enemies and keeping the American people safe, not as a social experiment of all the crazy Looney Tunes ideas that we've seen.

00:05:37.000 Without specific advice, I would try to have him ascend as far as he can, keep his values, and always have fidelity to the country, not the government.

00:05:44.000 And those are two different things.

00:05:45.000 He must always have loyalty to the United States of America, not just the federal government.

00:05:49.000 Say hi to your dad for me, and God bless him.

00:05:51.000 Thank you very much.

00:05:51.000 Thank you.

00:05:53.000 If you guys disagree, you can make your way to the front of the line.

00:05:55.000 Who wants a hat, by the way?

00:05:56.000 Who doesn't have a hat?

00:05:59.000 You made it like one quarter of the way.

00:06:02.000 Throwing the ball like Quinn Ears up here.

00:06:04.000 Jeez.

00:06:06.000 That's okay.

00:06:07.000 All right.

00:06:07.000 Threw the ball like Jalen Milrow.

00:06:08.000 Okay?

00:06:09.000 Hi.

00:06:09.000 So my question is regarding the mass deportation that Donald Trump is trying to enforce if he is elected as president.

00:06:14.000 And my question is, do you think this mass deportation is fair?

00:06:18.000 And if you do, why?

00:06:19.000 Why?

00:06:19.000 Yes, of course, I do.

00:06:21.000 And first and foremost, we'll start with the people that committed crimes while they're here, DUIs, murders, rapes, so on and so forth.

00:06:27.000 So let me give you one very simple example that is emotional, but it is personal, and it is local.

00:06:33.000 The killer of Lake and Riley should be deported and should be put in a foreign prison, not an American prison.

00:06:40.000 Thank you.

00:06:42.000 Now, I will admit, not everyone who's coming here illegally is like the killer of Lake and Riley, of course, but that is a very personal example of a UGA student that was just...

00:06:53.000 You guys know the situation, okay?

00:06:55.000 And to be very clear, if Donald Trump was president, Lake and Riley would be alive today.

00:07:00.000 That was an unnecessary killing that was completely because of open border policy.

00:07:04.000 But if your first act into a country is to break a country's laws, of which illegal immigration is and the illegal people coming in the country are, then we have every right to repel them and to send them back to their country of origin. 0.99

00:07:16.000 Do you think this mass deportation will negatively affect the U.S. economy?

00:07:20.000 I actually think it will positively affect the US economy.

00:07:22.000 I think that what it will do is, number one, you guys will have less people to compete for for housing prices.

00:07:26.000 So one of the reasons why housing is going up is because in supply and demand, if you have 10 million new people, they have to live somewhere.

00:07:32.000 And when you have to live somewhere, then all of a sudden you have more people going after a finite good.

00:07:36.000 Simple law of supply and demand.

00:07:38.000 This is why sand is cheap and diamonds are expensive, is because when you have a surplus of something or a finite supply of something, prices will go up, or if you have a surplus, prices will go down.

00:07:47.000 So I think housing prices will stabilize as part of that.

00:07:50.000 There probably will be some speed bumps on the road in manual labor, but honestly what you'll see then is wages will go up, and wages will go up for American workers.

00:07:58.000 And do you know specifically the population that will be benefited by this is working class voters of all races, but specifically Latino and black Americans that work with their hands, that currently are having their wages undercut by individuals that break the law, come to the southern border, and then destabilize their working wage. 0.62

00:08:17.000 Well, I disagree because if you already know, illegal immigrants make up 20% of the labor force in the United States and they pay over $100 billion in taxes, but they receive almost no benefits from the taxes that they pay from. 0.98

00:08:31.000 So I believe the wages won't necessarily go up.

00:08:35.000 If anything, they'll probably go down because people are now fighting for more degree-based taxes.

00:08:40.000 Yeah, so first of all, I don't expect you to know this, but they, of course, do receive benefits.

00:08:44.000 For example, they show up at a hospital, they'll receive care.

00:08:46.000 They receive police support.

00:08:47.000 They go to local schools, right?

00:08:49.000 So they send their kids to local social services.

00:08:51.000 Additionally, they get money from the federal government as well, food stamp assistance, Medicaid, so on and so forth, that has now been expanded to even illegal immigrants.

00:08:58.000 So that's not totally true.

00:09:00.000 Secondly, though, they're still here on our terms.

00:09:02.000 So we just might have a difference of how a country should be constituted.

00:09:06.000 One of the reasons I support Trump is that a fundamental...

00:09:08.000 The premise of how a country should exist is that the citizen should be able to determine who comes in their country, and that we actually have a say in elections of whether or not it's too much, too little, not enough, or whatever it is.

00:09:19.000 It's obviously too much right now.

00:09:21.000 It's unsustainable.

00:09:22.000 It is then making our lives worse.

00:09:24.000 And I'm not saying this is just because of illegal migration, but it's partially.

00:09:27.000 Everybody in this audience right now You are the first generation since George Washington to have life worse off than your parents.

00:09:36.000 You're the most depressed, sick, anxious, medicated, alcohol addicted, and poor generation per capita in modern American history.

00:09:43.000 And just a very simple rule, and again this ties into illegal immigration but not specifically, Is that if you are getting routinely poor year over year, you should fire your leaders and put leaders back in charge that we're actually making life better and we're getting richer and be able to own homes.

00:09:59.000 So, yes.

00:10:00.000 And then finally, I'll just say this.

00:10:01.000 Of course they contribute to some jobs in the economy.

00:10:04.000 That's not the point.

00:10:04.000 The point is that those should go to Native Americans, Native American jobs, or even Native Americans too, but American-born jobs, not illegal migrant labor that cut in line and then basically said to the entire immigration system, So bad.

00:10:17.000 Who here is a first-generation immigrant or a son or daughter of?

00:10:17.000 It's too bad.

00:10:20.000 So, can I ask you a question?

00:10:22.000 Did your parents come here the right way?

00:10:24.000 Yes.

00:10:25.000 No, no, no.

00:10:25.000 Okay.

00:10:26.000 This is important.

00:10:26.000 So, your parents came the right way.

00:10:28.000 And your parents should be applauded for following the rules and coming here the right way.

00:10:32.000 Do you know who it's an insult to?

00:10:34.000 Your parents that other people can just cut in line and border jump into our country and basically tell your parents, oh, sorry that you filled out all the paperwork and you waited in line.

00:10:44.000 We can just then...

00:10:45.000 Do an act of injustice.

00:10:47.000 So I'm actually on your parent's side here.

00:10:49.000 I want more people to follow the law and come in here legally.

00:10:52.000 I do not want a mass illegal immigration invasion of the country. 0.98

00:10:55.000 Does that make sense?

00:10:59.000 Let me ask a question.

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00:11:56.000 I have one relating to immigration as well.

00:11:59.000 Do you think through this mass deportation that Donald Trump is trying to enforce, do you think it's fair that he wants to deport back all the Venezuelan people who just came back, who just came from Venezuela? 0.97

00:12:10.000 And I understand the news has made this prejudice that Venezuelans are criminals, they're killers. 0.85

00:12:15.000 I absolutely understand. 0.99

00:12:16.000 I agree for the young girl that was killed here.

00:12:20.000 But people do not realize how bad the safety and economic state in Venezuela is right now.

00:12:25.000 They just re-elected Nicolás Maduro, and he is one of the worst presidents in Latin American history.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, again, so in order for them to come, they'd have to come the right and legal way.

00:12:36.000 Now, the Venezuelans, some have actually applied for asylum and were granted asylum through legal methods.

00:12:41.000 That's a separate discussion.

00:12:42.000 I think we're too generous in that way.

00:12:44.000 Others decide to just enter through the southern border.

00:12:46.000 Here's the thing.

00:12:47.000 You have to return to your country of origin, and then we can get our own house together. 1.00

00:12:51.000 Let me just kind of put this differently.

00:12:53.000 We can open up our arms again once our young people, you guys, can own homes and have a life as good as your parents.

00:13:00.000 Then we can start thinking about letting in all the other world's problems. 0.97

00:13:03.000 Until then, we have an obligation to fulfill the mandate so that you guys can have the same life and access to the American dream that your parents had.

00:13:11.000 Thank you very much.

00:13:16.000 So first off, I just want to say I'm a huge fan, been following you for a while, so I feel really privileged to be able to meet you in person.

00:13:23.000 So my question relates to the politicization of educational institutions, specifically majors like art, writing, education, political science.

00:13:31.000 And I think these things are really important, but I feel like the political skew of Those institutions is towards the left, and I think that's turning away a lot of really smart, talented people who could do some good things.

00:13:43.000 So my question is, do you share my fear that the political capture of these institutions is turning away smart people?

00:13:48.000 Absolutely.

00:13:49.000 What are you studying, art?

00:13:50.000 Are you studying something that way?

00:13:51.000 I'm studying mechanical engineering.

00:13:52.000 Yeah, well, first of all, good for you.

00:13:53.000 You're going to make more than most of the people in this audience, by the way.

00:13:56.000 So you're a very smart young lady here.

00:13:58.000 Yes, first of all, this is what's so wrong.

00:14:01.000 I'm sure there's someone studying art in the audience here or someone like that.

00:14:04.000 And we need more conservative artists and people in the arts that are conservative.

00:14:07.000 But it is so hostile towards our worldview.

00:14:10.000 I'm guessing engineering is okay.

00:14:12.000 I think the liberals haven't penetrated engineering yet.

00:14:12.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:14:15.000 Good, that's good.

00:14:16.000 Don't let them in. 0.98

00:14:17.000 Build the wall and build it high and deport them if they come. 1.00

00:14:19.000 Okay?

00:14:20.000 So...

00:14:22.000 But yes, and by the way, they will come because they've come in other schools.

00:14:25.000 But yes, look, here's the problem.

00:14:27.000 Let's just take theater, for example.

00:14:29.000 Not exactly something I'm that passionate about, but I think it's a beautiful thing.

00:14:32.000 I mean, they're not even teaching Shakespeare in many theater classes anymore because he was a racist white male, apparently, that lived in, like, the Victorian era.

00:14:42.000 Like, you cannot fundamentally understand the English language, let alone theater, if you don't study Shakespeare.

00:14:47.000 Right?

00:14:48.000 And so I think what we're doing is we're slowly committing suicide against the foundational roots of our country that created this a beautiful, prosperous way.

00:14:57.000 That's one example of many.

00:14:58.000 And so my advice for people is fight for what is good, true, and beautiful.

00:15:02.000 It might make your argument unpopular, but we as conservatives look around.

00:15:08.000 There's far more of you than people would ever believe on campuses like this.

00:15:12.000 And so the problem is the liberals are just louder.

00:15:15.000 Just because the liberals are louder doesn't mean they outnumber you.

00:15:18.000 So it's time for us to raise our voice as well.

00:15:20.000 Thank you so much.

00:15:22.000 God bless you.

00:15:23.000 One last question.

00:15:24.000 Is it our responsibility to take back the original institutions or should we be creating separate institutions?

00:15:28.000 I think it's time to create new ones.

00:15:29.000 It's very hard to take back what is already captured.

00:15:31.000 Not impossible.

00:15:32.000 It's easier to build new than liberate what is captured.

00:15:36.000 Go Dawgs!

00:15:37.000 Yes!

00:15:38.000 Thank you.

00:15:41.000 Thank you so much.

00:15:42.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:15:43.000 I'm glad you're here.

00:15:44.000 I like what you do.

00:15:46.000 Previously, I watched a clip of you answering a young man's concerns about the Trump campaign and immigration.

00:15:51.000 Yes, so happy to address that.

00:15:53.000 I had a feeling you were going to ask that because you're, you know...

00:15:55.000 Oh, well, yeah, thank you.

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 In that, you refused to answer his question to reconcile that Trump's campaign's change position on mass immigration and instead deflected that he is the lesser of two evils, which, like...

00:16:04.000 No, actually, it's not how I answered it.

00:16:06.000 So the entire clip was this.

00:16:07.000 I said that it's actually not his position.

00:16:08.000 I'd like to...

00:16:09.000 No, no, I know.

00:16:10.000 Because this is a thing.

00:16:11.000 You guys come read your phones and try to tell people not to vote for Trump, right?

00:16:14.000 No.

00:16:14.000 Okay, are you voting for Trump?

00:16:16.000 No, I'm saying...

00:16:17.000 I'm asking you a question specifically.

00:16:18.000 Are you voting for Trump?

00:16:18.000 I can.

00:16:19.000 Are you?

00:16:20.000 Yeah, sure.

00:16:21.000 Okay, great.

00:16:21.000 Why not?

00:16:21.000 So then what's the question?

00:16:22.000 The question is, how do you reconcile this changed position?

00:16:25.000 It's not changed.

00:16:26.000 He has said repeatedly.

00:16:28.000 He did not support H-1B visas in 2016.

00:16:31.000 That is a fact.

00:16:32.000 No, again, he has said that's not his position anymore.

00:16:33.000 That is exactly his position.

00:16:34.000 Let me just tell you my position.

00:16:36.000 I tell you my position.

00:16:37.000 I think that we should have a moratorium on immigration, legal and illegal, until the livelihood of everyone in this audience is on par with their parents. 1.00

00:16:44.000 That is my position.

00:16:45.000 That's great.

00:16:45.000 And I hope that Donald Trump will enforce that policy when he was president.

00:16:49.000 He has said that that is his position, and that he said over the summer something that he has then since corrected.

00:16:54.000 We can agree to disagree on that.

00:16:56.000 However, I will say this.

00:16:57.000 Let's pretend that you're even correct on it.

00:16:58.000 The positives far outweigh the negatives of Donald Trump's presidency when it comes to stopping illegal immigration, greatest deportation effort in history, stopping World War III, rising wages, booming economy.

00:17:09.000 Hold on, I'm not done.

00:17:11.000 Great Supreme Court justices.

00:17:12.000 You interrupted me.

00:17:12.000 You started this whole tirade.

00:17:14.000 Great circuit court judges, hold on, and allowing Americans, young Americans in particular, to have booming wages, a better future for them and their family, and also making sure that another 10 million people do not invade this country, and that we have sovereignty, that we have borders, and a unified American story.

00:17:31.000 Is that compelling enough for you to vote for Trump?

00:17:33.000 Yes, sure, but that's not my question.

00:17:35.000 My question is not about Trump, it's how do you reconcile these changed positions?

00:17:38.000 Will you at least acknowledge that there is a changed position?

00:17:39.000 No, it's not a changed position.

00:17:41.000 There is.

00:17:41.000 It exactly is.

00:17:42.000 Okay, we're just going to keep talking past each other then, because it's not.

00:17:45.000 But that's fine.

00:17:46.000 You're not even answering my question.

00:17:47.000 You just said, here's why you should vote for Trump.

00:17:48.000 No, I said it's not a changed position.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, and you're wrong.

00:17:52.000 Trump supported ending the H-1B visa program.

00:17:55.000 I'm saying you are wrong on this.

00:17:56.000 Okay, but again, so we can keep on talking past each other.

00:17:59.000 Yeah, that's called debate.

00:18:00.000 Well, no, talking past each other is not a...

00:18:02.000 Are we debating or is...

00:18:04.000 No, we're not, actually.

00:18:05.000 The audience would agree.

00:18:06.000 It's called prove me wrong.

00:18:07.000 That's great.

00:18:08.000 I'm popular.

00:18:09.000 Trump's current position is not what you say it is.

00:18:11.000 It's exactly what it says.

00:18:12.000 No, it's not.

00:18:13.000 Look, on the All In podcast...

00:18:14.000 Who wants the next question?

00:18:16.000 Thank you very much.

00:18:17.000 Next question.

00:18:19.000 Thank you.

00:18:23.000 I won't need my phone because I don't have any talking points to go over.

00:18:27.000 So based on your point a minute ago that basically we're the silent majority and that they're louder than us, why is it that they are louder than us and why aren't we allowed to be more vocal without feeling that we're going to be canceled or...

00:18:41.000 You get the point.

00:18:42.000 I mean, it's time for us to be more vocal.

00:18:44.000 That's why we're doing this, is that our value system is the majority value system of this country.

00:18:48.000 The majority of Americans do not believe that men can give birth.

00:18:52.000 They believe in borders.

00:18:53.000 They do not think Kamala Harris is equipped or qualified to run the country.

00:18:56.000 They believe Trump was a great president.

00:18:58.000 They want the economy robust and productive for all people.

00:19:00.000 And so, yes, I mean, our value system and our worldview is in the predominant portion of the country.

00:19:06.000 We have been taught to be terrified as conservatives because the left is willing to use political and cultural power to punish us.

00:19:13.000 And this is why the victory of Donald Trump will go down if he is to win, which I hope he does, as one of the greatest political victories in American history.

00:19:21.000 After everything they have done to try to silence him, from 700 years in federal prison, from multiple impeachments, from even two assassination attempts and being shot where he said, fight, fight, fight.

00:19:32.000 This movement will not be silenced and will not be stopped, and it is an emergent movement against the left-wing orthodoxy and domination of our culture that we conservatives actually outnumber the left in this country.

00:19:45.000 Yeah, I completely agree with you.

00:19:47.000 I think we need to speak up so we can take back our country, basically.

00:19:50.000 Thank you so much.

00:19:50.000 Amen.

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00:20:44.000 Hi.

00:20:45.000 First of all, welcome back to the great state of Georgia.

00:20:48.000 I have a question.

00:20:49.000 Is your thesis here, your point in being here to convince us as Georgians to vote Republican up and down the ballot?

00:20:55.000 Yeah, just repeat it.

00:20:56.000 It's okay.

00:20:57.000 His question was, do I want you to vote up and down the ballot Republican?

00:21:00.000 Yes, but primarily here to obviously promote the candidacy of Donald Trump and hear what other people have to say.

00:21:06.000 Could you give a comprehensive reason why?

00:21:08.000 For Donald Trump?

00:21:09.000 Yeah, three reasons.

00:21:09.000 I guess you want to buy a home in your life, right?

00:21:11.000 Yeah, so when Donald Trump was president, it required $75,000 a year for you to be able to own a home in this country.

00:21:17.000 Now under Kamala Harris, it requires $135,000 a year, and that's just a four-year increase. 0.97

00:21:23.000 You guys are becoming quickly a nation of renters.

00:21:25.000 Number two.

00:21:26.000 We are quickly stumbling into World War III. Not an exaggeration.

00:21:29.000 Kamala Harris is surrounding herself with neocons and warmongers, the number one of which is Liz Cheney, where she's now going on this tour where she's talking about we must defend democracy abroad. 0.91

00:21:39.000 These are the architects of the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War. 0.95

00:21:42.000 And you guys are the ones that are going to have to be drafted into World War III if Kamala Harris gets her way. 1.00

00:21:47.000 Number three is the border.

00:21:48.000 Border crossings were at an all-time low under Donald Trump.

00:21:50.000 He has a comprehensive plan to stop the illegal invasion of this country. 0.81

00:21:53.000 Kamala Harris has allowed 10 million people in the country, and she'll easily allow another 20 to 30 million people. 1.00

00:21:58.000 And that's just the...

00:21:59.000 Also, Donald Trump, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security.

00:22:03.000 Drill baby drill. 1.00

00:22:04.000 No men and women sports.

00:22:05.000 Obviously secure the border and the Russian-Ukrainian war. 0.74

00:22:08.000 And that's all just within the first couple hours.

00:22:11.000 And do you think there would be any positives to a Paris administration or any negatives to a second Trump administration?

00:22:16.000 I mean, the only positive of the Harris administration is people would see how bad things could get, which I hope we don't have to live through that.

00:22:22.000 I hope we don't have to live through our version of the Soviet Union. 0.97

00:22:25.000 And a question, because I saw you ask a similar question to a student.

00:22:28.000 Is Vivek Ramaswamy a Christian?

00:22:30.000 He is not.

00:22:31.000 He is a Hindu ethical monotheist.

00:22:34.000 Is Tulsi Gabbard a Christian?

00:22:35.000 No.

00:22:36.000 Thank you.

00:22:37.000 Okay.

00:22:37.000 Thank you.

00:22:38.000 I'm a Christian, though, and Jesus Christ is king.

00:22:40.000 Hey Charlie.

00:22:49.000 So, I feel like this isn't talked about enough, but with the general media becoming more and more polarized, tailoring information to push their own agendas, what other mediums can voters rely on to educate themselves?

00:23:00.000 Well, of course you can watch The Charlie Kirk Show, which I think is a great source of information.

00:23:04.000 Look, I love Matt Welsh's show.

00:23:07.000 I think he does a great job.

00:23:08.000 I love Megyn Kelly's show.

00:23:09.000 I love Tucker Carlson's podcast.

00:23:11.000 Who loves Tucker Carlson? 0.89

00:23:12.000 Isn't he great?

00:23:14.000 Stop watching.

00:23:15.000 You guys don't watch cable news.

00:23:16.000 Listen to podcasts, social media.

00:23:19.000 One of the reasons why the country is becoming more right-wing is because the left cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas.

00:23:25.000 So as we are now gravitating towards an internet consumption era, our podcasts are more popular, our social media channels are more popular, and our ideas are better.

00:23:33.000 And we win when both sides are given a fair hearing.

00:23:36.000 So those are just a couple of suggestions for you.

00:23:39.000 Thank you.

00:23:40.000 Just a reminder, if you guys disagree, try to work your way to the front of the line, and yes.

00:23:40.000 Thank you.

00:23:44.000 Hi.

00:23:45.000 Good question so far.

00:23:46.000 Okay.

00:23:47.000 So, my name is Zach, and I feel like 10 years ago when I was in elementary and middle school, I feel like I saw zero pride flags, zero, like, any LGBTQ movement, but I feel like I see so many pictures over social media that it's just all over classrooms.

00:24:00.000 I know Ron DeSantis in Florida made a good idea to, like, Completely ban it.

00:24:04.000 So do you think that stemmed from, like, specifically COVID? Or do you think that dates all the way back to the Obama administration?

00:24:10.000 And how do you think Trump will, like, his agenda?

00:24:14.000 How will that...

00:24:15.000 Well, yeah, let's just be clear.

00:24:16.000 Especially in K-12 education, primarily through minors, there should be no transgender sexual curriculum for 8-, 9-, and 10-year-olds in the schools of this country, period. 0.97

00:24:28.000 And that has no place.

00:24:28.000 Thank you.

00:24:30.000 Now, obviously, we believe in freedom of expression.

00:24:32.000 If you want to put a pride flag on your dorm room, like knock yourself out, right? 0.78

00:24:35.000 But you're an adult.

00:24:36.000 You have the agency to do that.

00:24:38.000 What we're talking about, though, is explicit sexual programming for minors that are in a place where their parents should be presenting their topics to them.

00:24:46.000 And at the very least, the school should be doing something in a neutral way.

00:24:49.000 Where did this come from?

00:24:50.000 Honestly, part of this, though, is trying to fill the void of an identity crisis we have in the country right now.

00:24:55.000 As I mentioned, we have the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, and sick generation in history.

00:24:59.000 The most anxious generation in history.

00:25:02.000 And one thing that the LGBTQI plus movement does... 0.62

00:25:05.000 I think I got it all.

00:25:06.000 Did I get it all?

00:25:07.000 Did I forget one?

00:25:07.000 Did I forget two?

00:25:08.000 I think it's LGBTQ2, right? 1.00

00:25:11.000 It's ridiculous.

00:25:13.000 Is they make you feel part of something bigger than yourself, and that you can identify.

00:25:18.000 As America has become less religious, specifically as America has become less Christian, our young people need to fill that void with something, and that movement is an attachment for a lot of young people that feel as if they're socially outcast and not part of the group.

00:25:33.000 And I kind of, going off on that, based on the Christian, I'm a big Christian too, Jesus is king.

00:25:39.000 How do we, like, I know there's a lot of pressure, like, when people, like, where, I feel like when people were, like, across or say, oh, there's only two genders, they get, like, like, they get, I don't say expelled, but they'll, like, get suspended.

00:25:50.000 But, like, when someone, like, that's also a freedom of expression.

00:25:52.000 So how do we go back?

00:25:54.000 I feel like 15 years ago, that just didn't exist.

00:25:56.000 If you're an adult on UGH, you should be able to wear the shirt of your choosing.

00:26:00.000 We're talking more about curriculum.

00:26:02.000 For example, I can't imagine there is a professor who teaches that Jesus is king at University of New York.

00:26:10.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:26:10.000 Is that right?

00:26:11.000 They might have that viewpoint, but they're teaching specific curriculum, and that is the violation of viewpoint neutrality of how the classroom should operate.

00:26:19.000 But we must support freedom of expression.

00:26:19.000 Okay.

00:26:22.000 It's a bedrock pillar of our country.

00:26:24.000 Appreciate it.

00:26:25.000 Thank you so much.

00:26:25.000 If you guys disagree, you can come to the front of the line.

00:26:28.000 And here's my Make America Golf Again guy.

00:26:30.000 He just wants to hang out here.

00:26:33.000 He just wants to promote his golf thing.

00:26:36.000 All right.

00:26:37.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:26:37.000 Hello.

00:26:38.000 My name is Jacob.

00:26:39.000 I'm 20.

00:26:40.000 I came all the way down from Canada.

00:26:42.000 A refugee from a communist country.

00:26:44.000 Give it up for him, everybody.

00:26:47.000 What province?

00:26:49.000 Quebec.

00:26:50.000 Okay, you speak French?

00:26:51.000 Yeah.

00:26:52.000 Okay.

00:26:52.000 I don't.

00:26:53.000 No.

00:26:54.000 All right.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, I just want to say, I just want to make a quick statement real quick.

00:26:59.000 So I just want to let everyone look back at Canada and see what, if you vote for Democrat, that's what the U.S. is going to end up like.

00:27:11.000 Just vote for Trump.

00:27:12.000 Trump is your savior, and Trump is our savior as well.

00:27:14.000 Well, Jesus is our savior.

00:27:15.000 Trump is our solution politically.

00:27:17.000 Yeah, facts.

00:27:17.000 We just have to be clear.

00:27:19.000 All right.

00:27:19.000 Sorry, I had to cut you off there.

00:27:20.000 But just really quick, how bad is it in Canada?

00:27:23.000 Honestly, it's as bad as it's going to be if Kamala is elected. 0.73

00:27:29.000 So I say high gas, high home prices.

00:27:34.000 Do you have freedom of speech?

00:27:36.000 No.

00:27:37.000 Everything, well...

00:27:38.000 To a certain extent, the media is controlled.

00:27:42.000 CBC, right?

00:27:43.000 Yeah.

00:27:44.000 Canadian Broadcast Corporation, which people say is even worse than CNN here, which is amazing.

00:27:49.000 God bless you.

00:27:50.000 We need everyone to hear the warnings from unfree countries that we can remain a free country. 0.98

00:27:54.000 God bless Canada.

00:27:54.000 God bless you, man.

00:27:55.000 Thank you.

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00:28:56.000 Hey, Charlie, how's it going?

00:28:57.000 Hey, we got the Harris Wall sticker.

00:28:59.000 Welcome up.

00:28:59.000 Real quick, I just want to say that I heavily agree with what you said about neutrality in the classroom.

00:29:04.000 I think that's a brilliant standpoint, and I, as an ed major, I agree with that.

00:29:08.000 Before I get to, like, the nitty-gritty, go dogs, horns down.

00:29:12.000 Anybody?

00:29:14.000 We should just stop.

00:29:14.000 We can agree.

00:29:16.000 We agreed way too much.

00:29:17.000 You're creeping me out, man.

00:29:18.000 My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

00:29:19.000 So I'm going to talk about some gun control stuff.

00:29:22.000 Do you mind if I give you some statistics first?

00:29:24.000 Yeah, fine.

00:29:24.000 All right, awesome.

00:29:25.000 So in the United Kingdom, there was the Dunblane Massacre on March 13, 1996.

00:29:29.000 It was a school shooting.

00:29:30.000 17 people were killed.

00:29:32.000 15 were injured.

00:29:33.000 Following that massacre, it is probably the biggest massacre in UK history, involving schools specifically, there was a ban on all handguns.

00:29:41.000 Since then, there's been no school shootings in the UK, and it averages 28 firearm homicides a year.

00:29:47.000 In the United States, there are 39,707 gun deaths in 2019 alone, the average of one gun-related death every 11 minutes.

00:29:55.000 In 2023, there were 346 school shooting incidents in the US. So far, there have been 385 mass shootings in 2024, and a mass shooting is defined as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed.

00:30:06.000 Why are you pro-Second Amendment, and can you give me your stance on that?

00:30:08.000 Great, so I just want to make sure I can know where you're coming from.

00:30:11.000 Do you believe owning a firearm is a right or a privilege?

00:30:14.000 I believe it's a privilege.

00:30:15.000 I'm gonna go with that.

00:30:16.000 Okay, so then you do not believe in the Second Amendment as it is written?

00:30:19.000 No.

00:30:20.000 I believe it needs to be amended.

00:30:20.000 I believe in a ban for guns.

00:30:22.000 Okay, so that's where we disagree, and that's okay.

00:30:24.000 We have clarity but not agreement.

00:30:25.000 I believe that the right to protect yourself and your family against a tyrannical government or a home invader is an inalienable right that must be protected and that no one can take it away.

00:30:35.000 Now, let's just...

00:30:36.000 And that's okay.

00:30:37.000 We have clarity on that.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:42.000 some clarifying statistics.

00:30:43.000 Everything you said is true, but one part of it is misleading.

00:30:46.000 Is that, yes, there are about 30,000 gun deaths a year or death by firearm, but two-thirds of them are death by suicide.

00:30:54.000 Yes.

00:30:55.000 Right?

00:30:55.000 So it's a little misleading to say 30,000 or even every 11 minutes.

00:30:59.000 And so there's some people that say, well, it's easier to commit suicide if you have a gun in the house You and I would both agree, though, that if someone is committing suicide or the firearm, there's other underlying issues.

00:31:08.000 The firearm is secondary.

00:31:10.000 Okay, so that's a reason.

00:31:11.000 Thank you for agreeing with that.

00:31:12.000 Okay.

00:31:12.000 So, therefore, that gives you about 10,000 gun deaths a year.

00:31:16.000 The vast majority of those are gang-related in about 10 cities across the country.

00:31:20.000 Not excusing it, but there's other underlying factors associated with it.

00:31:24.000 Now, let's get into what our position is, those of us that believe in the Second Amendment.

00:31:29.000 We fully acknowledge that when you have liberty, that you're going to have sometimes undesirable outcomes.

00:31:36.000 For example, there are 50,000 people a year that die in auto fatalities, and it's tragic.

00:31:43.000 However, no reasonable person would come up to the mic and say, let's ban driving.

00:31:47.000 True.

00:31:48.000 The one thing I disagree with though is that the primary intention of a firearm is to kill something.

00:31:53.000 Well, not necessarily.

00:31:54.000 That's interesting.

00:31:55.000 The primary intention of a firearm is actually to protect what you love.

00:31:59.000 I disagree with that, but...

00:32:00.000 That's okay.

00:32:02.000 Actually, the firearm is a technology or a tool that is actually intention neutral.

00:32:10.000 So a firearm could be used for sharpshooting or it could be used for a massacre.

00:32:15.000 No different than a kitchen knife can be used for a beautiful...

00:32:18.000 Cook a beautiful meal or to, you know, murder somebody.

00:32:22.000 So it's a piece of technology, albeit it makes killing easier, but it in itself is not inherently what you might think it is.

00:32:28.000 Now let me just finish the point, though, is that we as enthusiasts for the Second Amendment acknowledge that in a free society, people are going to do bad things and dumb things.

00:32:38.000 But there is a price to liberty.

00:32:39.000 And this is a mature...

00:32:41.000 Viewpoint that we lost during COVID. During COVID, as a country, we said, we don't want liberty, we want safety.

00:32:48.000 And everybody stay at home 15 days to saw this spread.

00:32:50.000 And how many of you guys wanted the lockdowns to end after like two weeks, right?

00:32:54.000 And so what we get at, though, with firearms is that we acknowledge that there will be unnecessary deaths.

00:33:02.000 We want to try to limit those.

00:33:03.000 We could talk about that.

00:33:04.000 But in a culture that believes that owning a firearm is a right, not a privilege, our goal should be about limiting the suffering, but acknowledging that you're not going to get rid of it completely.

00:33:13.000 It's a different viewpoint than the European model.

00:33:16.000 The final point I'll say is, why do you think we believe it's a right?

00:33:20.000 It's because we believe that, God forbid, if the government ever becomes tyrannical, we need an ability to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

00:33:29.000 So please, your thoughts on this.

00:33:30.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:33:31.000 So there's two things I want to touch on.

00:33:33.000 The first is being the context of the Second Amendment during its creation.

00:33:36.000 Obviously, the Constitution was written in 1776.

00:33:39.000 It was 1787, and the Bill of Rights was 1791, but that's okay.

00:33:43.000 Anyway.

00:33:43.000 Anyways, so back then, the average, like an experienced shooter on a musket could fire three shots a minute.

00:33:50.000 All right, on average, it took 30 seconds to fire one shot.

00:33:54.000 Modern day AR-15s, traditionally, you know, if it's a stock model, holds about 30 rounds in a magazine.

00:34:00.000 Now, you can customize that and make it carry more, sure, but the staggering statistic is that these AR-15s can empty this 30-round magazine in five seconds is the possibilities.

00:34:10.000 That's totally correct.

00:34:11.000 The question is, what was the founders' intent when they put the Second Amendment?

00:34:16.000 For example, to play out, and I'm not trying to pick on you, but for example, you say the founders only thought that, okay, must get Second Amendment.

00:34:25.000 Did they only think First Amendment, parchment and paper, not Twitter?

00:34:32.000 I'm sorry, can you rephrase?

00:34:33.000 If the Second Amendment was only intended to cover muskets, is the First Amendment only intended to cover letter writing, not talk on the internet?

00:34:43.000 That's a good point.

00:34:45.000 But here's the thing.

00:34:46.000 Meaning these principles transcend technology.

00:34:49.000 And that's where we come from, is that you have a First Amendment right whether you're speaking freely on a message board or if you're just talking like the founding fathers would.

00:34:57.000 You have a Second Amendment right whether it's a musket or whether it's an AR-15.

00:35:01.000 Because the principle and the truth that undergirds it, and I'll let you in in a second, is transcendent above the technology.

00:35:07.000 So, I'm going to use your logic a little bit.

00:35:10.000 When the Constitution was written, slaves existed in the United States, and that was amended and added to the Constitution when we freed the slaves.

00:35:17.000 Same with women, we gave them the right to vote. 1.00

00:35:18.000 So, I don't understand why...

00:35:20.000 I mean, it feels like it's a little bit of cherry-picking going on, because the Constitution is constantly evolving and changing.

00:35:26.000 But hold on, the First and Second Amendment have never changed.

00:35:29.000 Does that mean they can't?

00:35:30.000 We have a ratification process.

00:35:32.000 Well, of course they can, but we think it shouldn't, and the fact that it hasn't is noteworthy.

00:35:37.000 So, for example, we tried abolition of alcohol, the country didn't want it, and we got rid of it very quickly.

00:35:42.000 So we've added amendments and gotten rid of them.

00:35:44.000 Why has the First Amendment stood the test of time?

00:35:48.000 Because we believe, as conservatives, the Constitution was not written for the times, but stand the test of time.

00:35:54.000 Because it was written to analyze human nature.

00:35:54.000 Why?

00:35:57.000 And this is where leftists and conservatives would disagree.

00:36:00.000 We think human nature is consistent over time, whereas leftists think that you're a creature of your environment and human nature changes based on the nuances and the complexities around you.

00:36:09.000 So, for example, we believe that the right to be able to petition your government and speak is something that is eternal and should never change.

00:36:16.000 Does that make sense?

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 And when you refer to the First Amendment, are you talking about the right to speak freely or are you talking about the right to religion?

00:36:21.000 Well, both.

00:36:21.000 So there's two parts of the First Amendment, the Free Expression Clause and the Establishment Clause.

00:36:25.000 So it is, you basically have the right to petition your government for grievances or redresses, and the government shall not create basically state-run religion or the free exercise thereof.

00:36:35.000 That is the original wording of the First Amendment.

00:36:37.000 So can I ask you how, you know, if the government cannot create a national or state-run religion, when we have justices like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who is making calls based off his Catholic beliefs, how is that not a violation of separation of church and state?

00:36:52.000 Well, so again, so first of all, separation of church and state is not in the First Amendment.

00:36:56.000 You're gleaning that out of it.

00:36:57.000 So that's actually a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1803 to the Danbury Baptist Convention assuring the Baptists that the government would not come after them.

00:37:05.000 So you're insinuating that that is the subtext of it.

00:37:09.000 However, the Warren Court resurrected that letter and said it separation of church and state.

00:37:13.000 However, you would agree that we can never have separation of conscience or morality of state, right?

00:37:18.000 Can you elaborate?

00:37:20.000 For example, you have somebody who's an office holder.

00:37:22.000 The values that undergird them are going to be reflected in their decisions, of course.

00:37:27.000 So that's what's happening with Clarence Thomas.

00:37:29.000 No different than Joe Biden's Catholic values are what's representing his open border policy.

00:37:34.000 Yes, and speaking on the overturn of Roe v.

00:37:37.000 Wade, when Clarence Thomas did, he voted in favor to overturn that.

00:37:41.000 Sure, you can use that argument there.

00:37:43.000 But when it comes to him calling for the court to re-evaluate same-sex marriage and things like that, contraception rights, can you tell me what kind of economic impact...

00:37:53.000 Either of those things.

00:37:55.000 It seems like a very religious standpoint.

00:37:57.000 I don't want to get too deep in the weeds here.

00:37:58.000 However, you'll never have separation of morality and state.

00:38:01.000 And you've come up here in great faith, and I want to compliment you on that.

00:38:04.000 You are wearing a Harris Wall sticker.

00:38:06.000 Yes.

00:38:07.000 Just one question.

00:38:08.000 Can you tell me her greatest accomplishment?

00:38:10.000 Absolutely.

00:38:11.000 So I think that Biden-Harris administration was in an unfortunate position when they came into office.

00:38:16.000 It was around the height of the COVID pandemic.

00:38:18.000 And I wish I had exact numbers for you right now.

00:38:20.000 I should have done more research on that.

00:38:21.000 But the inflation rate has gone down since the height of COVID to now.

00:38:26.000 And Donald Trump's...

00:38:28.000 One of his biggest policies is imposing tariffs, right?

00:38:32.000 Does anyone have the numbers?

00:38:33.000 Well, first of all, let me just ask.

00:38:35.000 Do you guys feel inflation has come down at all?

00:38:37.000 No!

00:38:38.000 No, it's okay.

00:38:39.000 So this is important.

00:38:40.000 I'm not picking on you.

00:38:41.000 But this is the problem with just overly studying what the economists say. 0.94

00:38:45.000 The American people don't buy this garbage because they're feeling the pain every single day.

00:38:49.000 And I just want to say that, again, I'm just asking what is her greatest accomplishment, though? 0.94

00:38:55.000 Sure.

00:38:55.000 So, in terms of her being the Vice President, I'm willing to be critical of Kamala Harris, by the way.

00:39:01.000 I think that there's not a lot of incredible policies that she's put into place.

00:39:06.000 I know that Donald Trump has been able to call into the House and turn down some bills involving the border.

00:39:12.000 But I will say why I want to vote for Harris for President.

00:39:15.000 Because she has promised things like the child tax credit.

00:39:18.000 It seems like, to me, she's trying to do things in order to support these young mothers that are being forced into this scenario to give birth to children that they can't either support or they weren't ready for or they don't want.

00:39:34.000 You know, the overturn of Roe v.

00:39:36.000 Wade might ban abortions, and it's about what can we do since Georgia, for example, up until Amber Thurman had a total ban on abortion.

00:39:43.000 What can we do to support those mothers if we're going to ban abortion? 1.00

00:39:47.000 Okay.

00:39:47.000 Thank you very much.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, thank you so much.

00:39:49.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:50.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 29, 2024

How Will Gen Z Achieve the American Dream? My Debates at the University of Georgia

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