If you don t know if you believe in God, this episode will fire you up! Join us at the Student Action Summit on June 22nd in Tampa, FL where we will be hosting Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis.
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00:02:07.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:21.000What an amazing presentation that was, by the way, wasn't that incredible?
00:02:25.000That was so special and um, i'm sure you're, you're with me.
00:02:29.000I was getting emotional throughout that and as I was watching that, I had actually kind of a two emotions going on at once.
00:02:37.000I was moved by the presentation and emotional, and I think some of you also were kind of getting angry that our beautiful country is being destroyed in front of our very eyes.
00:02:47.000Right, I mean that just being very honest with you is just hard to kind of that tension of emotions, because what a gift we've been given from the lord honestly to live in this country um, and the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world, and we're going to change it.
00:03:16.000Some super exciting updates that will be coming.
00:03:19.000In fact, we're about to announce two more branches of Turning Point Academies coming in hopefully in the next days and weeks, including homeschool curriculum, pod schooling curriculum, as well as some very exciting new programming that will be done to be able to make it easier for parents to be able to no longer have an excuse.
00:03:40.000Our vision for Turning Point Academy nationwide is for parents to no longer say, you know what, I don't like my local government school, but there's no option.
00:03:49.000We want to make sure that the options are always in front of every parent that wants to be able to pull their kid out of government schools.
00:03:55.000That is our vision for what we're doing at Turning Point Academy.
00:03:59.000And Angel beat me to it, but what an incredible last month when it comes to the Supreme Court.
00:04:07.000We'll talk about this tonight with Frank, but in this kind of news cycle we live in where everything seems so overwhelmingly negative, wasn't it remarkable to finally see the Supreme Court do something courageous and bold and constitutional as well, by the way?
00:04:27.000And I would be remiss if I did not mention the people who helped make that possible.
00:04:32.000You see, the Supreme Court is a lagging indicator, it's not a leading indicator.
00:04:38.000So the Supreme Court usually bears fruit of fights that happened generations ago.
00:04:44.000So these are judges that were put in place by prior administrations or justices because of past elections or arguments that, quite honestly, were won or lost before a lot of us were engaged in the fight.
00:04:56.000And so that decision was the work of 40 or 50 years of prayer and fasting from churches like this one, from leaders like Pastor Tommy, from leaders like Billy Graham, leaders like Rush Limbaugh, leaders like Antonin Scalia.
00:05:13.000And I think it would be a mistake not to mention the multi-generations of warriors like Phyllis Schlafly, who went in the trenches and said, you know what?
00:05:38.000Rush Limbaugh and Billy Graham are smiling from heaven saying, I told you guys to keep fighting for that.
00:05:43.000And there's so many things that we must unpack in this.
00:05:48.000And this shows how incredible the church that Dream City is because Dream City passed what I kind of put forward as the two-part test of the Roe versus Wade reversal.
00:05:58.000So the first one is, did your pastor mention it happened?
00:06:07.000Most pastors just acted as if it was just another day at church.
00:06:12.000Or they said, you know, I know this is a very difficult issue.
00:06:15.000Sorry, your pastor, it's not a difficult issue, okay?
00:06:18.000Maybe if you were a secular humanist running some sort of philosophy class at a local university, it's a difficult issue, not difficult for a pastor, right?
00:06:33.000And so that's the, so there were a lot of pastors that passed the first part, but the second part is equally as important, which is we now need to step up and recognize and realize those of us that have been advocating for an end to abortion in America need to expand our services, our charities, our nonprofits like the Dream Center to be able to equip and empower and support every woman in America that is now going to be bringing life into this world.
00:07:00.000It's not on us because look, the other side, they're going to be saying the argument they always make is: we need abortion because it's too expensive.
00:07:07.000We need abortion because it's too costly.
00:07:09.000We need abortion because there's no options.
00:07:10.000And that's one of the reasons why we partnered with Choices here in Arizona, amazing organization, by the way.
00:07:16.000And so now it's incumbent on us as Christians to step up to the plate to support these charities even more with our time and our treasure and our resources and our prayer, because there is going to be an overwhelming amount of first-time mothers.
00:07:31.000And by the way, we know that just because in Texas, when the six-week abortion ban went into place, abortions went down by 70 to 80%.
00:07:40.000Now, mind you, this was always an argument that the abortionists made.
00:07:44.000They said, you can outlaw abortion, but it's not going to decrease abortions.
00:08:51.000But they were like, you know, nowhere in the Bible does it say abortion is wrong.
00:08:56.000Like, yeah, nowhere in the Bible does it say dropping an atom bomb on Berlin is wrong, but you kind of deduct that from thou shalt not murder, right?
00:09:04.000I mean, that's probably pretty obvious, or I knew you before you were in the womb, or very basic things.
00:09:08.000And basically, what it comes down to is courage.
00:09:11.000And this issue has always made some people cowardly, that we're going to offend others, that we are not going to be able to win people over.
00:09:21.000And in fact, the data is showing the opposite.
00:09:23.000The data is actually showing this nation is becoming more pro-life.
00:09:27.000That it's actually showing that the more we talk about this issue, the more converts we actually make.
00:09:34.000And so the only argument they ever had was, my body, my choice.
00:09:39.000After the vaccine mandate thing, I don't take them seriously anymore.
00:09:51.000It's somebody else's body, separate DNA, not your choice.
00:09:54.000But still, that was the one kind of compelling nature of the whole thing.
00:09:58.000And I think we saw in the reaction, which was so amazing and a compliment to all of you and an encouragement that I think more victories are going to come in the years and decades to come, is that the hours after the decision of the reversal, we won the narrative war.
00:10:15.000I totally anticipated us losing the narrative war, by the way.
00:10:18.000But they started to put people on television saying, you know why we need abortion?
00:10:21.000Because special needs kids are hard to raise.
00:10:23.000Literally, Ana Navarro goes on CNN and saying that.
00:10:26.000Or they say, you know what, we need less people on earth.
00:10:51.000I don't take a popularity test of that.
00:10:54.000But even if that's actually not true, though, that's the point, is that it happens to be the lie of the enemy, where the nation is now more pro-life than ever before.
00:11:04.000The more people learn about it, the more people say, you know what, this is wrong and we have to put an end to it.
00:11:10.000And so, if it was not for active churches like Dream City, it's very important.
00:11:15.000If it was not for active churches like Dream City throughout the years, this never would have got done.
00:11:19.000But also, we need to make sure we understand it.
00:11:22.000If it wasn't for somebody else, this would not have got done.
00:11:25.000And I know everyone has different opinions of this individual, but this is a fact, and you don't have to like what I'm about to say.
00:11:30.000Okay, you don't have to like it, but if you like babies and you like the unborn, then this is a fact.
00:11:37.000Someone who lived a colorful life from New York City, who was once pro-choice himself, who once supported Planned Parenthood, God had a call on his life for maybe just one or two or three reasons.
00:11:48.000But to go down a golden escalator and win an election, he was not supposed to win.
00:11:53.000And again, you don't have to like the guy.
00:12:10.000And we got Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh.
00:12:13.000And I want to say, Kavanaugh's ruling on immigration was somewhat disappointing, but if you survive an assassination attempt on your family and you still rule correctly on Roe v. Wade, that's worthy of appreciation and applause.
00:12:32.000We must now step into this and help the people that need our help and see this as a great opportunity.
00:12:37.000I'm going to tell you about our guest tonight.
00:12:39.000So I first became aware of our guest when I was in a hotel room in Spokane, Washington.
00:12:45.000We were talking about Spokane earlier.
00:12:46.000I just got done speaking at Washington State University in Pullman, which is far, not far, but it's a ways from Spokane.
00:12:54.000And I turned on local television, and there was this incredibly articulate presenter talking about how atheism is actually irrational, talking about the case for the resurrection.
00:13:04.000I'd never heard of any of this before.
00:13:11.000And actually, his entire podcast and his show is called, I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist.
00:13:16.000In fact, that's the name of his book, I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist.
00:13:20.000And so he does what I do, but just a little bit differently.
00:13:24.000He goes to college campuses and takes questions all about Christianity, all about atheism.
00:13:29.000And he is one of the most gifted and charismatic apologists of our time, someone who makes the case for Christianity.
00:13:36.000He also has a new book out called Hollywood Heroes, which is terrific.
00:13:40.000I'm actually going to have Frank on our show tomorrow to talk about this on our radio program and our podcast.
00:13:45.000And I've got to know Frank over the last year, year and a half, pretty well.
00:13:49.000And we trade texts and have dinners every so often and do just kind of are there for one another, and I deeply appreciate it.
00:13:56.000But I think you're going to be really moved by the rational case for Christianity.
00:14:00.000And this is something that we don't always present, which is the archaeological evidence, the rational evidence, the natural law evidence of how, if you look at things, even supporting the Bible, that it confirms biblical truths themselves.
00:14:14.000So please join me in welcoming the incredible Frank Turek.
00:14:21.000Charlie Kirk, ladies and gentlemen, right here, Charlie Kirk.
00:15:31.000So, so, yeah, let's get into that, Frank.
00:15:33.000What evidence could there possibly be for God?
00:15:36.000People say, I've never seen God, I can't touch God.
00:15:39.000What evidence could there possibly be?
00:15:42.000If someone ever asked you, why do you know that God exists?
00:15:44.000I think you ought to say this: I know God by his effects.
00:15:48.000In other words, there are effects of God everywhere.
00:15:51.000And what we're doing, just like a scientist does when they're trying to figure out what particular cause caused a particular effect, they're reasoning from effect back to cause.
00:16:03.000First of all, the universe is an effect.
00:16:05.000The universe exploded into being out of nothing.
00:16:09.000Once there was nothing, and then the entire space-time continuum leapt into existence.
00:16:14.000What could have caused space-time and matter to come into existence?
00:16:18.000The only thing I think that could cause space, time, and matter to come into existence is something that is spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful to create the universe out of nothing, personal in order to choose to create, because to go from nothing to a state of creation, someone has to make a choice, and only persons can make choices.
00:16:42.000The cause would also have to be intelligent to have a mind to make a choice.
00:16:46.000So, I always ask audiences: I say, when you think about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal, intelligent cause, who do you think of?
00:17:09.000This could be Allah at this point, Charlie.
00:17:11.000This could just be a generic God that, say, Thomas Jefferson talked about.
00:17:15.000We hold these truths to be self-evident.
00:17:17.000He didn't mention it was Jesus, he just said a creator.
00:17:20.000But if we keep looking at the evidence, we're going to realize that the same being that walked out of the tomb 1,989 years ago is the same being in whose divine nature created the universe out of nothing.
00:17:35.000But we have to look at the evidence for the resurrection for that.
00:17:38.000Yeah, and so we'll get deeper into this, Frank.
00:17:41.000But I think that the argument for atheism is so patently insane.
00:17:45.000The only way that someone could be an atheist or believe atheism is because they want to believe it.
00:17:50.000Yeah, they don't want to believe in God or Christianity.
00:17:53.000In fact, here's a question I always ask people on college campuses.
00:17:56.000Charlie goes to a lot of college campuses, as I do as well.
00:17:59.000And if during the QA, there's an atheist or a non-believer at the microphone, and if they demonstrate any hostility at all, I'll normally ask this question.
00:18:08.000If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
00:18:11.000I've had atheists stand at that microphone in front of hundreds of people and say, no.
00:18:47.000You can make yourself happy over the short term at college, maybe.
00:18:52.000But over the long term, it's a disaster.
00:18:55.000If you just try to do stuff that's going to make you feel good, it's going to help you in the short term, but over the long term, it's a disaster.
00:19:03.000And everyone in this room and watching out there who's over 40 knows what I'm talking about.
00:19:07.000And Charlie, who's well beyond his years, already knows it too.
00:19:10.000Because if you just try and make yourself happy without regard to other people, you're going to wind up depressed, lonely, full of anxiety.
00:19:20.000The only way to get true contentment and happiness is to go straight through truth, and Jesus is the truth.
00:20:57.000When the student's ready, the teacher will appear.
00:21:00.000If they're ever going to be ready, it's when tragedy strikes.
00:21:03.000So, Frank, one of the kind of, I would say, idea pathogens that is infecting the minds of our nation's young people is the virus of subjectivism or subjectivity.
00:21:32.000C.S. Lewis is almost an unlimited reservoir of wisdom here, but he really pinpointed the danger in subjectivity.
00:21:39.000So, the best way that we could describe subjectivity is what you'll hear on a college campus and maybe from your grandkids when they come back from a semester on a college campus that you're going into debt to go pay for is when they come home and they say, No, that's my truth.
00:21:55.000Now, mind you, this is what's the heart of the transgender movement, isn't it?
00:21:59.000That I have a different material truth than you do, and that we can't have any sort of agreed-upon precepts.
00:22:07.000So, Frank, what would be the proper response when someone says, Okay, no, no, but I have my own truth, I have my own beliefs, I chart my own course, my own destiny.
00:23:21.000Actually, when people say they have their own truth, you might as well say to them, I know this is not popular in today's culture, but there's no such thing as your truth or my truth.
00:25:24.000So Frank, let's talk about the moral implications if there is no God.
00:25:28.000And so I feel as if we're living through the beginning stages of this moment right now in America, because if everyone gets to determine their own truth and determine their own morality, well, then who's to say what is right or wrong?
00:25:42.000Why should children not be exposed to highly pornographic material?
00:25:46.000Who's to say my truth says differently?
00:25:49.000What are the societal moral implications when you do not believe in first a God or at least a moral giver or a moral law that is absolute and not something that is relative?
00:25:59.000Well, this is another one of those effects that I mentioned earlier.
00:26:01.000When someone says, how do you know God exists?
00:26:03.000You're reasoning from effect to cause.
00:26:05.000So we've reasoned from the effect known as the universe back to a spaceless, timeless, immaterial cause.
00:26:11.000Now when we get a moral law written on our hearts that, say, Thomas Jefferson would say is self-evident, that the Apostle Paul said the Gentiles and have the law of the law written on their hearts, that's from Romans chapter 2.
00:26:22.000These laws that are pressing on us are effects.
00:26:26.000The question is, what caused these effects?
00:26:28.000The effect for a moral law is a moral lawgiver.
00:26:33.000So we're reasoning from effect back to cause.
00:26:36.000And so that's another way we know that God exists.
00:26:41.000If there is no God, then nothing is ultimately right or wrong.
00:26:45.000Everything's just a matter of opinion.
00:26:46.000It's just your opinion against, say, Hitler's opinion.
00:26:50.000It's just your opinion against Putin's opinion or whoever you think is evil.
00:26:56.000It's your opinion against anyone that says something is right or wrong if there's no God.
00:27:04.000Everything's just a matter of opinion.
00:27:06.000Well, we know murder is not just a matter of opinion.
00:27:08.000We know rape is not just a matter of opinion.
00:27:11.000We know that those things are really objectively morally wrong.
00:27:14.000And if they're objectively morally wrong, there must be a standard of rightness that defines what goodness is.
00:27:21.000And any deviation from that standard would be what we would call evil, like murder or rape or theft or whatever those things are.
00:27:29.000In fact, I think it's the most powerful argument today for the existence of God.
00:27:34.000Because no matter where you go, Charlie, whether you're dealing with an atheist, an agnostic, or a Christian or a Muslim, whoever you're dealing with, they think certain things are morally right and certain things are morally wrong.
00:27:45.000And so, Frank, I think we're starting to see in our society an entire generation that has been plagued by the inability to differentiate what is real and what is not.
00:27:56.000And it's a term that I'm workshopping, but it really is kind of this plague of the imagination versus reality.
00:28:06.000You have a generation that is staring at screens where they just see photons all day long, whether it be video games or hypergraphic pornography or just talking to friends that quite honestly don't exist in the metaverse.
00:28:19.000And then they have to come into the world that isn't as stimulating as that video game.
00:28:22.000And their entire neural profile is completely messed up.
00:28:27.000And they ask the questions, what is even real?
00:28:29.000And this is where they say, well, I know God for sure is not real because I can't see God like I can see the video game in front of me.
00:28:36.000I know this is a silly and elementary argument, but could you just for a brief second talk about how silly the argument is when people say, I can't see God, therefore God does not exist?
00:28:46.000Yeah, well, there's a lot of things you can't see that you believe in.
00:28:48.000For example, you believe in the laws of logic.
00:28:51.000You can't see them, touch them, taste them, but you're using them right now.
00:29:05.000Oh, you may have seen people being treated justly or unjustly, but you've never seen justice in itself because justice is not a physical thing you see.
00:29:35.000Anyway, in one of our debates, someone from the audience, a student at the college in New Jersey, asked Christopher, Christopher, what is love?
00:29:43.000And Christopher, being a materialist, meaning all he believed that existed were molecules in motion, he had to come up with a materialistic answer for love.
00:29:53.000So he thought about it for a minute and he said, love is a chemical.
00:29:58.000And I said to him, Christopher, don't say that to your wife.
00:31:11.000You haven't seen Jesus physically, but you believe he existed because he's left effects behind that are best explained by the God-man known as Jesus, who rose from the dead 1,989 years ago.
00:31:32.000And this is kind of a new phenomenon amongst a lot of our nation's young people to say, okay, I believe in a God, but I believe in a Unitarian God or a Buddhist God.
00:31:42.000And the Bible, it's full of inaccuracies and Jesus has been debunked.
00:32:13.000First thing you want to ask is, when they say something like this, is, first of all, what do you mean the Bible has been proven inaccurate?
00:32:21.000What evidence do you have that it has?
00:32:23.000They typically might say something like, I mean, come on, you're trying to tell me you'll be swallowed by a whale sometime soon.
00:32:29.000They'll take some of the more, let's say, miraculous interventions of God that you and I believe in.
00:32:36.000So I might ask, so you don't believe in miracles, why not?
00:32:40.000Because I've never seen such a miracle is what they would say.
00:32:43.000Or they'd say it defies the laws of nature.
00:32:55.000It exploded into being out of nothing, which is, by the way, why when people say they don't believe in miracles, I normally say, look around, you're living in one.
00:33:04.000But I also ask them, what is the greatest miracle in the Bible?
00:33:07.000And normally they'll say something like Jonah or Noah or the resurrection.
00:33:11.000And I'll go, no, the greatest miracle in the Bible is the first verse.
00:33:15.000In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
00:33:18.000If that verse is true, ladies and gentlemen, every other verse is at least possible.
00:33:23.000I mean, if it's true that God created the universe out of nothing, can he raise Jesus from the dead?
00:33:28.000Can he do the Jonah miracle, the Noah miracle?
00:34:40.000In fact, how many people in here, and every mother should raise their hand, how many people in here have seen their own flesh and blood born?
00:35:01.000Now, it happens every day, and we don't call it a miracle.
00:35:04.000But to Charlie's point, in fact, a biologist, Ariel Roth, once said, God never did a miracle to convince an atheist because his ordinary works provide sufficient evidence.
00:36:55.000We're going back to the classics, ladies and gentlemen, right?
00:37:00.000But look, the manuscript evidence is incredibly strong for the New Testament.
00:37:05.000If you were to take all the manuscripts we have for, say, an ancient Greek writer, somebody like Josephus, and stack them up, they would be about four feet high.
00:37:16.000If you were to take all of the manuscripts for the New Testament and stack them up, they would be over a mile high.
00:37:23.000Because the scribes copied the New Testament, and of course, the Old Testament scribes copied the Old Testament.
00:38:49.000You might lie to make yourself look good, but you don't lie to make yourself look bad.
00:38:53.000Now, the New Testament documents, and this is true of the Old Testament as well, but the New Testament documents are filled with embarrassing details they never would have invented.
00:40:02.000And then on Sunday morning, we marched right down to the tomb and we saw Jesus who congratulated us on our great faith.
00:40:10.000And then we went and comforted the trembling women, right?
00:40:14.000I would never say it was Mr. Sissy Pants why the women went down and discovered the empty tomb.
00:40:19.000And what Charlie's pointing out is in that culture, a woman's testimony was not considered on par with that of a man.
00:40:28.000So if you're making up the New Testament story, you'd only have the men be the first witnesses.
00:40:34.000But all four gospels say the women were the first witnesses, which is telling us what they really were, as embarrassing as it was to the men, and how it didn't help their case at all.
00:40:46.000In fact, one of the women was a formerly demon-possessed woman.
00:41:45.000And so it has to be true because it also from it took several women for even it to be considered to be true in a court of law.
00:41:52.000And so it actually shows the authenticity of the gospels.
00:41:57.000So we don't have a lot of time before we go to question and answer.
00:41:59.000But another objection, Frank, and I'll just throw two or three at you, is that maybe Jesus was never actually killed, that he was still alive when he was put in the tomb.
00:42:08.000Or the second one, his body was stolen by his believers.
00:42:12.000Or the third one is that this was kind of a vast conspiracy, right?
00:42:21.000In fact, it was Justice Antony and Scalia who, in one opinion, said this.
00:42:25.000We all know that the bumbling apologists or the evangelists, these are the people that wrote down the New Testament, invented the resurrection story in a sinister text, in a sinister attempt to get themselves all martyred.
00:42:37.000I mean, like, why would you invent a story that's going to get you killed if it's not true?
00:42:45.000First of all, the empty tomb was empty because Jesus came out of it.
00:42:49.000It wasn't because his disciples stole the body.
00:42:52.000Why would they steal the body and then say he had risen from the dead again to get themselves kicked out of the synagogue and then beaten, tortured, and killed?
00:43:54.000But you know what the question implicitly assumes quite frequently is that you really can't trust the New Testament writers because, you know, the New Testament writers were biased because you see, they were believers.
00:44:05.000You only got to look at the non-Christian writers to really know what the truth is.
00:44:10.000Think about that, ladies and gentlemen.
00:44:20.000All the writers of the New Testament are Jewish believers in Yahweh who thought they were God's chosen people.
00:44:26.000Why would they invent the resurrection story, a story they didn't believe could be true, because they didn't believe a man could claim to be God.
00:44:58.000You know, a friend of mine, a mutual friend, you may know, Jay Warner Wallace, he's a cold case homicide detective.
00:45:03.000He's been on dateline more than any other homicide detective because he solves murders decades old.
00:45:09.000He's also written a book called Cold Case Christianity, where he applies his homicide skills to the greatest homicide of all time, the homicide of Jesus.
00:45:17.000Anyway, he says when he finds a murdered body, he says there's only three reasons why that guy's dead.
00:45:22.000Not a thousand reasons, just three or a combination of these three.
00:45:27.000There was either a sex issue, a money issue, or a power issue.
00:45:31.000Sex, money, and power are the three things that can motivate people to murder.
00:45:35.000In fact, they're the same three things that cause any of us to sin.
00:45:39.000Sex, money, and power are great things, but they're so great that sometimes we'll take shortcuts to get them.
00:47:35.000So in closing here, Frank, before we get to some questions here, can we talk about some of the implications that the kind of death of God, as Nietzsche would put it, have politically especially?
00:47:47.000You've written and spoken openly about socialism, about totalitarianism.
00:47:52.000Can you talk about how important it is that we frame this in a biblical context as then we get to some questions and answers?
00:48:00.000A lot of times, as a result of the Roe v. Wade decision, people are going to say, this is not a theocracy.
00:48:07.000You can't impose your religion on people.
00:49:14.000And one of the most articulate defenders of the moral point of view, without having to say you have to be a believer, is sitting right next to me.
00:49:23.000He does this every day on the air around college campuses, around churches.
00:49:29.000And so I'm privileged to be here at this event.
00:49:34.000And I want you guys to continue to support Charlie because the work he does is so important.
00:49:38.000But to go to the core of your question, if we lose self-evident truths grounded in our Creator, there's only two ways to govern.
00:49:47.000You can govern by the truth by principle or you can govern by power.
00:49:53.000And if you notice, the left is governing purely by power.
00:50:38.000So let's start lining up for some questions, everybody, if we can.
00:50:42.000I want to just plug the books again for the live stream.
00:50:44.000It's I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist, which is just phenomenal.
00:50:48.000And it goes into just some just terrific detail about the resurrection, about the Bible, and about any questions you might have about Christianity.
00:50:57.000And then Frank's new book called Hollywood Heroes, which is how your favorite movies reveal God.
00:51:03.000We're going to be doing a whole thing together on that.
00:51:06.000So if you guys want to line up in these two aisles here for any questions, and do we have a first taker in either of the lines?
00:51:37.000You talked about how some of the stories in the Bible, like Jonah and the well and different stories and miracles that happened in the Bible, and how people say they don't believe in God because how could these things have really happened?
00:52:08.000But my question is, and I hope that there's a lot of other pastors and leaders listening today, but my question is, why is it so important that we teach the truth, that we communicate correctly to our kids at an early age that the Bible is true?
00:52:28.000I think we want to show them why it's true, not just claim it's true, because then they get to those stories and they say, well, I haven't seen this, as Charlie said earlier, or this seems outlandish to me.
00:52:40.000Look, why do I believe that Jonah, the story of Jonah, is true and the story of Noah is true?
00:53:00.000So it's on Jesus's authority that I believe the Bible's inerrant.
00:53:04.000It's not just because I can answer every possible objection, although many of them we can answer, but it's because Jesus said the entire Old Testament was the word of God and he promised the New Testament.
00:53:55.000But someone should talk to them about some things they believe around Christmas, too, but that's a separate issue.
00:54:01.000But yeah, I will say this: that for me personally, the more I learned about biology and physics, actually the more it strengthened my faith.
00:54:11.000When you really dive deep into how complexly made we are, it is the most patently insane, improbable argument to say there was not an intelligent designer behind it.
00:54:22.000Just how our systems work together from the brain itself to our conscious and unconscious mind.
00:54:31.000And so, look, I'm not professing to say how to communicate that to a seven, eight, or nine-year-old, but what Frank is saying is totally true, which is laying the framework and the foundation is, hey, human beings, what you're looking at, this is a miracle.
00:54:44.000This is way more incredible than going into a whale.
00:54:47.000You're talking about an autonomous being that has consciousness, agency, the ability to reason.
00:54:54.000You don't have to think about any of the natural things you have to do.
00:55:42.000But my question, a friend of mine today said that she was talking to a five-year-old, I think it was a grandchild, and said something about Jesus.
00:55:51.000And the little girl said, who's Jesus?
00:55:56.000So that, and then there's a lot of people that are grandparents, not me, thank God, but their kids don't believe in Jesus and they don't know how to talk to their grandkids about Jesus.
00:56:12.000Yeah, that's a really difficult problem.
00:56:15.000As a grandparent, if you're trying to educate your grandchildren and the parents aren't interested in your beliefs being shared with them, that's a hard, really hard problem.
00:56:27.000I might want to talk more to the parents and ask them.
00:56:31.000I'm reminded of what C.S. Lewis famously said.
00:56:33.000C.S. Lewis said, Christianity is either the most important fact in the universe or it's irrelevant.
00:56:41.000One thing it can't be is moderately important.
00:56:45.000If Christianity is true, if Jesus really rose from the dead and by trusting in him, your sins can be forgiven and you can be in eternity with him and your loved ones who have also trusted in Christ.
00:56:56.000If that really is true, then what could be more important than eternity, right?
00:57:03.000So I always ask people, if it were true, would you become a Christian?
00:57:07.000And I would ask that of my, I've asked that of my own kids, obviously.
00:57:11.000They are Christians, but you get the idea.
00:57:14.000And it's this idea that you're going to let your kids make up their own minds.
00:57:18.000First of all, kids are going to make up their own minds anyway, but you have to guide them.
00:57:22.000If you don't guide them, guess what's going to guide them?
00:57:25.000This glowing rectangle that we all have.
00:57:28.000Do you realize that I know we have a big problem of fatherless homes in America, but even homes with fathers in them, that an average teenage boy will in a week spend 30 minutes in meaningful conversation with his father while he spends 44 hours watching TV, surfing the internet, or playing video games?
00:57:54.000Gee, which is going to have more influence?
00:57:57.000So we're going to have to make a concerted effort to reach our kids and then our grandkids as well.
00:58:03.000We have resources on our website, crosexamine.org, that can help you do that.
00:58:22.000So education comes from a Latin word, which means to lead forth, lead forth into truth.
00:58:28.000The way we educate young people today, and Dream City Christian at Turning Point Academy is going to be the exception to this, is we kind of democratize the education where we ask eight-year-olds or 10-year-olds or even 12-year-olds, 15-year-olds, what do you feel about this?
00:58:45.000A completely irrelevant question, by the way.
00:58:48.000And many of you have heard me say this before.
00:58:50.000It does not matter what a young person thinks about anything.
00:59:24.000Now, they might have a chemical imbalance, but I believe personally, 95% of those issues are misdiagnosed as complete, let me just put it this way, lifestyle choices that completely throw off dopamine, serotonin rewards, and ways that young people have no idea how to navigate reward and risk and their place or purpose.
00:59:48.000And so, you know, I've done a real deep dive in this in the last couple of weeks.
00:59:52.000I was fascinated by this because we get a lot of emails, freedom at charliekirk.com, thousands of emails a day.
00:59:58.000And there's been this massive uptick in the last couple of weeks of people that say, Charlie, my kids are depressed.
01:00:07.000And I just said, there's got to be, I think there's a spiritual dimension, of course, to this, obviously, but there has to be something that is just kind of chemically that we're missing here.
01:00:17.000And if you just do just an hour-long just study on dopamine and how God gave us dopamine as a reward chemical, it makes perfect sense why these 14, 15, and 16-year-olds are depressed.
01:00:28.000And basically, dopamine is a reward chemical that is supposed to incentivize you to push harder and work harder.
01:00:34.000And you get it when you have chocolate.
01:00:37.000You can get it released when you have, you know, take cocaine or amphetamines, or you play highly addictive video games or pornography, or you live in a fantasy land of kind of social media where a 14 and 15 and 16 year old, their baseline of where dopamine gets released in their brain will be so altered that they think they're living in a depressed state.
01:01:01.000And you could see this in literal meth addicts and cocaine addicts.
01:01:10.000And you read the literature of what these 16 and 17 and 18 year olds are saying, it is identical to a brain that has been burnt out on drugs by the time they're 30.
01:01:19.000It makes you think, what exactly are we doing here?
01:01:21.000We're handing them these digital pacifiers, not realizing their entire brain, their risk, reward, and their purpose vehicles will be completely and totally burnt out.
01:01:31.000And so, and I, so that's just, that's just one other thing.
01:01:35.000I know it's a little bit of a sidetrack on that, but I just had it in my heart to share with you guys for just some of the audience response we've had.
01:01:41.000And then look, the final thing is be a disagreeable grandmother too, for all of you out there.
01:02:08.000When the chips are down and they need some advice, they're going to come to grandma's house or grandpa's house, not their parents' house.
01:02:15.000Not that you want that, but all of a sudden it's like, hey, you know, I have to make a decision whether or not to go away for the weekend of this party up an hour and a half north.
01:03:32.000So social justice is something that, let me put it this way: it is, you could say it's a Trojan horse, a wolf in sheep's clothing, all this sort of stuff.
01:03:43.000Look, social justice, there's only justice to God.
01:03:52.000Here's what they view the world through, though.
01:03:53.000They view the world through a prism of oppressor and oppressed, right?
01:03:56.000So all throughout social justice and education, they're going to be teaching you unbiblical, woke terms such as diversity, equity, inclusion, right?
01:04:04.000They're going to be teaching you this idea of white privilege.
01:04:14.000If only Hillsdale was able to educate every single one of our future educators.
01:04:20.000So, oh, yeah, come to Dream City, come to Dream City Christian.
01:04:24.000And by the way, I mean, there's some wonderful things that are happening at GCU.
01:04:27.000I don't mean to offend anybody, but the amount of stories of what has happened at GCU of how woke they've become, I'm honestly tired of them getting a hall pass.
01:05:10.000And then the third question is an opportunity for you to provide some evidence back, such as, have you ever considered that there really isn't social justice or racial justice or gender justice?
01:05:30.000And the question I mentioned earlier, too: if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
01:05:35.000It's easier to ask questions, it's hard to answer them.
01:05:39.000And if you ask enough questions, you're going to be able to drill down on the other person to the point that they're not going to be able to support their position because there really isn't intellectual justification for their position.
01:06:51.000Our idea of justice derived from the Bible is, and that's literally why lady justice is blind in our court proceedings.
01:06:58.000It's blind to the rich man, blind to the poor man.
01:07:01.000And so in dealings, this is a biblical principle of all being equal under God in equality under the divine.
01:07:07.000Idea of social justice, again, there might be very good people that mean like, well, we're going to help the poor and all of that.
01:07:14.000Let's stop being naive, everybody, okay?
01:07:16.000The two words social justice, every single time it is uttered, is being used by revolutionaries to try to bring Marxism, postmodernism, secularism, critical race theory into our classrooms.
01:07:25.000Like, we don't have to tolerate this anymore, okay?
01:07:28.000Instead, what we should talk about is the Western idea of equality under the law, right?
01:07:33.000Instead of dividing people into these little sub-brackets, which again, I'm a little bit conjecturing here, but I've heard about these social justice and education courses.
01:07:41.000Well, you must treat your black kids differently than your white kids.
01:07:43.000Wow, that sounds like racism in education, actually, not social justice in education.
01:07:48.000How about treating everybody as human beings made in the image of God as image bearers and not caring at all about the melanin content in their skin?
01:07:55.000And the best way to quote unquote be just is to challenge people, regardless how they look, and say that I believe that God has a future for you and a prosperity for you, and I'm not going to subdivide you in different brackets or different buckets.
01:08:10.000America at its best was always trying to achieve that type of nation, and those sort of narratives and those sort of classes, unfortunately, seek to unravel it.
01:09:07.000Well, Charlie, you pick this up here because I heard you talk about this the other night that we may have turned a corner, Charlie.
01:09:13.000Yeah, so if you're asking about the nation, kind of, right, as the country, I think that it's impossible to know, and that should be very comforting.
01:09:36.000That's who you should be applauding, by the way, Erica.
01:09:39.000And here's what I'll say: is that there is a, I believe, an unclean spirit that sometimes comes into conservative grassroots patriot circles as if they've got it all figured out and that this ship is going down and it really doesn't matter.
01:11:21.000I believe that those of us that are Christians and conservative or whatever label you want to put on it, right, not on the other side, whatever that is, that are building things and doing things, I see great hope and optimism.
01:12:47.000I think you're about to see big government be scattered into confusion, big media get scattered into confusion.
01:12:52.000I think big finance, I think bigness is about to have its day in court.
01:12:56.000And the small, rambunctious citizen that has been building steadily and loyally and righteously, I think is going to rise to a way that people never would have imagined.
01:13:10.000It is not our responsibility to win anything.
01:13:14.000It is our responsibility to be faithful.
01:13:16.000So even if you're Jeremiah in a cistern and the whole nation is turned against you, you just keep preaching the truth and doing the truth because your sanctification is part of the whole process.
01:13:31.000It's not just about trying to sanctify the nation.
01:13:35.000You're trying to sanctify yourself and become more like Jesus, regardless of whether or not you're by the world standards victorious.
01:15:17.000And if you want to make the trek all the way to Tampa, Florida, we have our Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, which I think is one of the most amazing collection of speakers imaginable.
01:15:27.000We have Greg Gutfeld, we have Laura Ingram, Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz.
01:15:30.000And then we have some two smaller speakers hosted by Turning Point Action.
01:15:34.000Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump will both be there, which will be pretty great.
01:15:38.000So Tampa, Florida, July 23, 22, 23, 24.
01:15:44.000If you guys want to go and get out of the desert blitz heat and get into the humidity and wish you were back into the desert blitz heat, it's July 22, 23, 24 in Tampa, Florida.
01:15:55.000We're going to have a faith morning where a lot of young kids are going to give their life to the Lord.
01:15:59.000It's awesome to see seven o'clock in the morning of young people that are excited to be there and young people that are regretting the decisions they made the Saturday night before at our Student Action Summit, just giving their life to the Lord.
01:16:09.000It's really a beautiful thing to witness.
01:16:11.000And as long as you believe in liberty, you're welcome.