The Charlie Kirk Show - "I'm Not Going to Stop Fighting. God's in Charge." — Charlie with Proverbs Media Group

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00:01:39.000 Hi, this is Justice Smith.

00:01:40.000 Welcome to Proverbs Media Group, and today we have a very special guest, someone that I'm a big fan of, someone that we're all a big fan of here, an absolute brilliant, outspoken, accomplished young man, the illustrious Charlie Kirk.

00:01:53.000 Great to be here. Thank you, Justice.

00:01:54.000 Great setup and honored to be here.

00:01:56.000 I love the name, Proverbs Media Group.

00:01:58.000 So terrific. Absolutely.

00:02:00.000 It's beautiful, isn't it?

00:02:01.000 Yeah, it is. So today I'd like to begin and give our viewers a little bit of context about who you are, what you are, and why you are.

00:02:09.000 You are the founder of TPUSA, something that is megalithic, magalithic.

00:02:16.000 And I want you to talk about what brought you there.

00:02:18.000 How did that start? Sure, yeah.

00:02:20.000 I mean, I was born and raised in Chicago, Illinois.

00:02:23.000 I had a pretty traditional upbringing.

00:02:25.000 The most important decision I made in my life was in fifth grade when I made Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.

00:02:30.000 And always loved the country.

00:02:32.000 I wanted to go to West Point.

00:02:33.000 So in high school, everything was about kind of working towards going to West Point.

00:02:37.000 Eagle Scout, football captain, basketball captain.

00:02:40.000 Ended up not getting in. And so I decided to take a gap year.

00:02:43.000 It's been 12 gap years now.

00:02:45.000 And so after I decided to take that gap year, I said I want to start an organization and try to change the country and save the country for the causes of liberty and freedom and self-government.

00:02:57.000 And I called it Turning Point USA. And now 12 years later, we're one of the largest organizations in the country, praise God.

00:03:05.000 We've just had this amazing impact.

00:03:07.000 We have Turning Point Action, we have TPSA Faith, Turning Point Academy, and it really has been the Lord.

00:03:12.000 Amen! I love that and I admire what you're doing.

00:03:15.000 You've brought together so many Americans, so many leaders, and you're influencing so many youthful people to actually get involved and want to learn about politics.

00:03:24.000 So I want to ask you, we're going to start it off easy, very lighthearted question.

00:03:28.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:03:34.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:03:38.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:03:55.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:04:09.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:04:13.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:04:17.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:04:34.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:04:36.000 We have some idea.

00:04:37.000 But it's permanent Washington that runs this country and most of the Western world.

00:04:43.000 That's people like Anne Applebaum, like Victoria Newland.

00:04:46.000 These are names that your audience might not know.

00:04:48.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:04:49.000 Obviously, Valerie Jarrett.

00:04:50.000 These are Susan Rice.

00:04:51.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:04:52.000 These are people that live and exist to strengthen the regime.

00:04:57.000 To disempower the American citizen.

00:04:59.000 They do not believe in borders.

00:05:01.000 They do not believe in the welfare of the American people.

00:05:03.000 They certainly don't believe in God.

00:05:04.000 They believe in a very very aggressive foreign policy position in the ever expansion of the American empire via NATO. And so right now, the people who run the Western world are permanent bureaucrats and technocrats, and then they are financed and funded by an even higher and billionaire oligarchy of George Soros, of people of that ilk and that background.

00:05:26.000 And so you can see that the godless and the secular are increasingly calling the shots in the Western world.

00:05:33.000 Absolutely. Very well put.

00:05:35.000 And for someone that's so well-spoken and well-read, I like to ask, what is your favorite book?

00:05:41.000 Oh, my favorite book is the Bible, but that's cheating.

00:05:44.000 I could literally talk about the Bible this entire time, if you want.

00:05:47.000 It's infinitely interesting and so important.

00:05:51.000 That's the only book that people should read, that you need to read.

00:05:53.000 But my favorite book is Man's Search for Meaning.

00:05:56.000 That's a non-biblical book. It's by Viktor Frankl.

00:05:58.000 It's incredible. It answers so many questions because – I don't know if you're familiar with the book, but it's Viktor Frankl who was a very, very successful psychologist.

00:06:06.000 He was a Jew. Then he got – him and his wife got rounded up, sent to a concentration camp, lost his wife, and his whole theory beforehand was that outside of food, water, and lodging and shelter, the number one need for man is meaning.

00:06:23.000 That as long as you have meaning, you can get through anything.

00:06:25.000 And he coined the phrase, a man who has a why can get through any how.

00:06:30.000 And so he talks about in the book, living through a concentration camp, living through the worst circumstances a human being can literally live through, that the ones that were able to survive, like tuberculosis, the ones that survived hay fever, the people that survived in the concentration camp were not even the healthiest or the ones that had the highest weight, the ones that actually had the most reason to live.

00:06:53.000 He was able to see in the concentration camps that as soon as somebody said there really is no reason to life, they'd be dead within a week.

00:07:00.000 But it was the people that said, I'm going to get through this.

00:07:02.000 I'm going to survive. I'm going to live through this concentration camp to tell this story that they were the ones that were the most likely to survive this horror.

00:07:10.000 So he writes this book, Man's Search for Meaning, and he came up with this school of psychological thought called logotherapy, which logos, which is a big part of the crypt.

00:07:18.000 That's why I like it. It connects to the Christian scriptures, which means truth or word or reason.

00:07:22.000 And that through logotherapy, you can solve a lot of people's problems, which has been proven to be a great antidote to depression and suffering and anxiety.

00:07:31.000 So that is my favorite book.

00:07:32.000 I have other books as well that I really enjoy, but that's at the top of my list.

00:07:36.000 Wow. I'm definitely adding that to the list.

00:07:38.000 Thank you. Man's Search for Meaning.

00:07:39.000 He also has a great quote.

00:07:41.000 I haven't read it for a while, but as you can tell, I mean, I've read it many times, so it's ingrained.

00:07:45.000 I try to read it once every couple of years.

00:07:47.000 And he says there's only two types of people in the world, the decent and the indecent.

00:07:50.000 And I think that there's not black or white or Hispanic or Asian.

00:07:53.000 There are two types of people, the decent and the indecent.

00:07:55.000 I think that's a really interesting way to look at the world.

00:07:57.000 Absolutely. Completely agree.

00:07:59.000 Now, I normally wouldn't ask everyone this, but I think you're well equipped for this.

00:08:03.000 Okay, here we go. Are you more of a platonic school of thought or more Aristotelian?

00:08:07.000 I already know Aristotelian, without a doubt.

00:08:09.000 Same. I can just tell the audience what that means.

00:08:12.000 So there's a very famous painting by Raphael called The School of Athens, which everyone's seen it, right?

00:08:17.000 Exactly. Plato's pointing to the clouds and Aristotle has his hand motioned to the ground.

00:08:21.000 Interesting, you have Euclid actually also on the ground too, doing Euclidean geometry.

00:08:25.000 And I think there's... I'm trying to think what else is in the painting.

00:08:28.000 Anyway, the center of the painting in Raphael's picture is Aristotle and Plato.

00:08:32.000 And so remember, Socrates, who we believe existed, we're not sure though, never wrote anything, but he taught Plato.

00:08:38.000 And Plato then taught Aristotle, and then Aristotle taught Alexander the Great.

00:08:42.000 So it was an unbroken chain from Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Alexander the Great.

00:08:46.000 But Plato was very different than Aristotle.

00:08:49.000 Plato was really the first philosopher.

00:08:51.000 Philosopher in Greek literally means lover of wisdom.

00:08:53.000 Philosophos. Sophos is wisdom.

00:08:55.000 Philosophos, of course, phileo.

00:08:57.000 So if you love wisdom, you're a philosopher.

00:09:00.000 And Plato wrote extensively.

00:09:02.000 I love reading his dialogues.

00:09:04.000 I did whole courses on them with the Claremont Institute.

00:09:06.000 Obviously the Republic.

00:09:08.000 But Plato was very...

00:09:09.000 His whole idea was that...

00:09:12.000 We must be worried about the abstractions or the ideals, right?

00:09:15.000 We must look to the clouds. That's why that picture points to the above.

00:09:19.000 And Aristotle was a scientist, and Aristotle was an observationist.

00:09:23.000 He would see how the natural world would work, and he was much less interested in abstractions or theoretics.

00:09:31.000 And he said, no, no, but the bird is still a bird, and A is A, and the natural world will be unmoved regardless of your theory.

00:09:39.000 And so Aristotle wrote – so Plato had his own academy, but Aristotle had the Lyceum, which you can visit actually in Athens.

00:09:49.000 And Aristotle wrote some of the most important books ever.

00:09:52.000 He had his writings on the politics, on the metaphysics, and the ethics.

00:09:55.000 I encourage all of them to your audience.

00:09:57.000 The politics and the ethics are the best.

00:09:59.000 And in, I believe, the ethics, I believe, this first line is that all men desire to know.

00:10:06.000 And what a great, amazing statement that we exist to want to know as a human being.

00:10:11.000 And then the first line of the politics, which is so amazing, is that every inquiry, every art, every action points towards some good.

00:10:19.000 And then so you say, well, what is good?

00:10:21.000 And that is the beginning question of all philosophy is what is good?

00:10:24.000 What is justice? What is evil?

00:10:26.000 And of course, we as the scriptures know what is good.

00:10:28.000 This is literally why Thomas Aquinas called him the greatest thinker and the greatest philosopher ever.

00:10:32.000 Aristotle points you to Christ.

00:10:33.000 He points you to the divine. He points you to eternal.

00:10:36.000 And so Plato also came up with, I'm talking too much, but Plato came up with this amazing idea.

00:10:43.000 It was amazing.

00:10:44.000 A lot of Plato is good, to be clear.

00:10:46.000 It's a mixed bag, but generally bad.

00:10:48.000 And he came up with this idea of philosopher kings.

00:10:51.000 Where that in a society properly constituted, you will have a group of experts that know better than you that will call shots.

00:11:00.000 So think about what we just talked about 10 minutes ago.

00:11:02.000 That's how the World Economic Forum operates.

00:11:04.000 A bunch of philosopher kings. Whereas Aristotle said, no, we must create men into great men.

00:11:10.000 That the citizen must become sovereign himself and then you will be governed by yourself.

00:11:15.000 That every person can do that and can become wise.

00:11:18.000 Absolutely. So anyway, so I'm much more Aristotelian.

00:11:21.000 I could talk about Aristotle all day long.

00:11:23.000 He's changed my life. I wish more Americans knew about Aristotle.

00:11:26.000 Absolutely. Sorry, bud.

00:11:28.000 I'm impressed, man. It's not every day that I come across a woman.

00:11:30.000 I had no idea you were going to ask about yourself. I hope you keep this up.

00:11:33.000 It's way more interesting than the questions I usually get.

00:11:36.000 Good. It's only just starting.

00:11:37.000 Okay, good. So, a man with such great taste, you appreciate the great masters of renaissance.

00:11:42.000 Of course, yes. Who is your favorite musician?

00:11:46.000 Oh, Haydn. Which is interesting because he was German, I believe.

00:11:52.000 I love Mozart too, born in Salzburg, actually.

00:11:56.000 So yeah, I love Haydn because he's the happiest composer I can find in the sense of his actual work.

00:12:04.000 It lifts you up.

00:12:06.000 So again, my classical music, I don't think he was Renaissance era though.

00:12:11.000 I think it was, I could be mistaken.

00:12:13.000 But according to Dennis Prager, who's kind of my classical music teacher, if you will, if you want to go deep, listen to Beethoven.

00:12:21.000 If you want to feel light about life, listen to Haydn.

00:12:24.000 So I just love Hyde and I think he's terrific.

00:12:27.000 Can't go wrong with Mozart. So yeah.

00:12:30.000 Well, I mean, for me, I should probably take some of that as a suggestion.

00:12:34.000 I listen to too much Chopin.

00:12:35.000 Okay, there you go. He's amazing, obviously.

00:12:38.000 Especially the solo piano concertos are just so powerful.

00:12:42.000 Absolutely. Beautiful stuff.

00:12:43.000 All that romantic era stuff.

00:12:44.000 But do you know why it's beautiful?

00:12:46.000 Is that Mozart...

00:12:48.000 At the top of every single one, you know this, he wrote glory be to God.

00:12:52.000 Before he wrote a single musical note, he wanted to glorify God through everything he did.

00:12:57.000 And I mean, how many musical artists do that now?

00:13:00.000 So everything he was creating was pointing up, was pointing towards the divine.

00:13:05.000 Absolutely. Now, have you ever watched or listened to the play, The Magic Flute by Mozart?

00:13:11.000 No. I highly recommend it.

00:13:13.000 It's deeply esoteric, and it's about something that most people wouldn't ever expect.

00:13:18.000 All right, I have my homework, the magic flute.

00:13:20.000 Absolutely. Yeah, he was actually a Freemason.

00:13:22.000 Is that right? And he made his final and most popular play about Masonic initiation.

00:13:27.000 Wow. So when I went and first saw it, under that context, it was really mind-blowing what you see.

00:13:32.000 I love that. I highly recommend it.

00:13:34.000 I will. You got it. And on that note, what do you think about the Freemasons?

00:13:38.000 I've seen a lot of conspiracies and a lot of good stuff.

00:13:40.000 I don't have strong opinions about it, honestly.

00:13:43.000 Yeah, I mean, it could be right.

00:13:45.000 I've known some people that have been Masons that have just been regular, everyday people. 0.84

00:13:50.000 But I'm open-minded.

00:13:51.000 I don't have strong opinions on it.

00:13:53.000 All right. Cool. Very cool.

00:13:55.000 Now, what's going on in Colorado with these Venezuelan gangs? 0.99

00:13:58.000 Oh, my goodness. So we go from Aristotle to...

00:14:01.000 It's actually super important, though.

00:14:02.000 So think about it. So let's think about what we just talked about.

00:14:05.000 Plato is very worried about theoretics and abstractions.

00:14:09.000 Aristotle is worried about what can be observed and what is real.

00:14:12.000 So this is a great example invented in Aurora, Colorado.

00:14:15.000 You have a migrant gang that we illegally allowed into this country and we allow them to stay in this country that has taken over apartment complexes. 1.00

00:14:23.000 Three of them that we know of. Tren de Aragua is the name of the gang.

00:14:27.000 They're the worst. They're vicious people. 0.98

00:14:28.000 So if you live in the clouds, if you live like Plato would, diversity is our strength. 0.88

00:14:34.000 We're a racist country.

00:14:36.000 We must open the world, right?

00:14:37.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:14:42.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:14:47.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:14:57.000 And I hate talking that way.

00:14:59.000 I wish it wasn't true, but it is.

00:15:01.000 Is that the non-American, the non-citizen is given preference and priority over the social contract. 0.98

00:15:04.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:15:08.000 What it should dictate is us, those of us that are American passport holders that live in this country.

00:15:12.000 It is our country, but we're not treated like it.

00:15:14.000 And you want to explain the rise of Trump, it could be well described there.

00:15:18.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:15:20.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:15:21.000 Absolutely. Now, another current thing that is kind of fizzling out, but what's going on in Ukraine?

00:15:26.000 I've been following it for years.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, it's a tragedy. And if you could, maybe contextualize the Orange Revolution from 2006. 0.72

00:15:33.000 Yeah, well, I don't know that as well as the Maidan Revolution.

00:15:37.000 So, I can't speak to the Orange Revolution, but the Maidan Revolution was a CIA plot to get rid of, was it Porchenko?

00:15:44.000 I always get all these Ukrainian names wrong.

00:15:46.000 I think that's right. Yeah, I get them all wrong.

00:15:48.000 But yes, essentially, there was a democratically elected leader of Ukraine.

00:15:52.000 I'm going to get some of these details wrong, but I'll get the general thing right.

00:15:55.000 That was very popular.

00:15:56.000 And his whole message was, elect me and we won't go to war with Russia.

00:16:01.000 Like, we don't have to be friends.

00:16:02.000 We don't like each other because there's a lot of Ukrainian nationalism.

00:16:04.000 But elect me and we're going to try to prevent war with Russia.

00:16:07.000 And the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency in America said, no way can this guy be allowed in office.

00:16:14.000 So we executed what was known as the Maidan Revolution.

00:16:16.000 It took him out. It was a coup in broad daylight, which then led to Zelensky.

00:16:20.000 And Zelensky is basically a puppet of the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:16:24.000 And effectively, we invited Putin to invade Ukraine.

00:16:28.000 It was wrong that Putin invaded Ukraine.

00:16:30.000 We must be morally clear. I'm not cheering for Russia. 0.95

00:16:32.000 I don't want them to win.

00:16:34.000 But I also think it's a terrible thing that we've allowed this to happen through a sequence of events.

00:16:40.000 And it's one of the great human rights catastrophes in the modern era.

00:16:44.000 Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead.

00:16:46.000 Hundreds of thousands. And also, a lot of Russians are dead, too.

00:16:50.000 And we shouldn't celebrate with that. 0.98

00:16:51.000 I ran into this lunatic there that is like, yeah, I'm really glad a lot of Russians died. 1.00

00:16:54.000 I'm like, really? This is war. 0.99

00:16:57.000 These are families. These are brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles.

00:17:00.000 And he's like, oh, well, Russia's like the Nazi Germans. 0.75

00:17:02.000 No, they're not, actually. 0.68

00:17:03.000 They're not a good country.

00:17:05.000 I don't like Russia.

00:17:06.000 But not every country you don't like is Nazi Germany.

00:17:10.000 For Christians to talk that way, too.

00:17:13.000 There's a lot of Christians in Russia, a lot of them.

00:17:15.000 And so I think it's really repulsive when people say that.

00:17:17.000 And so what's happening is it's a bloodbath.

00:17:20.000 Putin isn't advancing.

00:17:22.000 He actually has been slowed down this last summer.

00:17:24.000 I thought it would have been even more dramatic.

00:17:27.000 He controls the eastern part of Ukraine, which wants to be part of Russia.

00:17:31.000 They speak Russian. They're ethnically Russian.

00:17:34.000 And hopefully we get President Trump and get a peace settlement.

00:17:38.000 And we must make a very bold declaration, which is that Ukraine will never be part of NATO. And one of the reasons why this war happened, two things.

00:17:46.000 Again, I could talk about this all day long. 0.97

00:17:47.000 Number one, we sent Kamala Harris, who's an idiot, to the Munich Security Conference, and she wrote off a teleprompter that she did not write that Ukraine should be part of NATO, which is a direct signal to Russia that you're going to have missiles on your border. 0.98

00:18:01.000 So I want you to understand, imagine if Mexico... 0.99

00:18:04.000 All of a sudden said, we're going to be part of an alliance with Russia.

00:18:07.000 We wouldn't put up with that.

00:18:09.000 Or Canada. Number two, there was a peace deal that was potentially brokered in Istanbul, Turkey, a couple days into the war.

00:18:16.000 And Boris Johnson and Tony Blinken went to Istanbul and they prevented a peace deal.

00:18:21.000 And they said, no, this is going to be war.

00:18:23.000 Because the American defense contractors and the American security state wanted bloodshed.

00:18:27.000 They wanted war. They wanted a lot of missiles.

00:18:29.000 And now the American taxpayer has paid $250 billion.

00:18:34.000 For us to get nothing, we are not safer, we're closer to a nuclear war, we're closer to World War III, and for what?

00:18:41.000 What do we have to show for? It is one of the great failures of American foreign policy in our country's history.

00:18:46.000 Absolutely. Completely agreed.

00:18:49.000 What about North Korea?

00:18:51.000 Where do you think they stand in the regards of political policy, foreign policy?

00:18:56.000 What do we need to do about North Korea?

00:18:58.000 That's a good question. It's a really sad country.

00:19:01.000 First of all, it's an open air concentration camp.

00:19:04.000 I think Trump had the right approach.

00:19:06.000 North Korea is a proxy of China. 0.85

00:19:08.000 And so North Korea does whatever China wants. 0.62

00:19:11.000 They will not launch a missile without China's approval.

00:19:13.000 When North Korea scratches, it's the itch of China, right? 0.97

00:19:16.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:19:22.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:19:26.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:19:42.000 I don't think we should go to war with them.

00:19:43.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:19:44.000 I think we should do whatever we possibly can to try to thaw relations and try to liberate North Korea from the terror they're living under.

00:19:49.000 Absolutely. As a Korean, I've always felt really invested in what's going on up there.

00:19:55.000 It's like half of people just like me, who might be funnier, might be smarter than me, are running around, not knowing how to read, not having access to clean water and electricity.

00:19:57.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:19:59.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:20:05.000 This is where Christians should care about politics.

00:20:07.000 Mm-hmm. So you look at the map.

00:20:09.000 You've seen it at night between North Korea and South Korea.

00:20:12.000 That's a political statement.

00:20:14.000 So politics matter. The South Korea politics are freer.

00:20:18.000 It's a Western model. The North Korean politics are totalitarian and full tyranny.

00:20:23.000 So your failure to get involved in politics is, I mean, and you happen to be born or at least descended from a lineage that's in a free society, not in one that is terrorized.

00:20:35.000 It's one of the most dramatic examples of a free society versus terror.

00:20:40.000 Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:20:41.000 Well said. Now, another one of the boiling pots in the Middle East is What do we do to make peace with Israel? 0.98

00:20:50.000 What's the right approach?

00:20:52.000 What's the correct channel? First, we must be morally clear.

00:20:55.000 Jews have a right to their homeland.

00:20:57.000 That homeland is called Judea and Samaria.

00:20:58.000 We must stand with Israel. And we must kill every last Hamas terrorist. 1.00

00:21:02.000 That's number one. So there's three problems. 1.00

00:21:05.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:21:11.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:21:15.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:21:32.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:21:32.000 Okay, well, Gaza is on the southwestern tip and it borders Egypt.

00:21:36.000 The solution for Gaza is for America to come in and demand that Egypt and Jordan absorb the people of Gaza and they govern Gaza. 0.73

00:21:44.000 Egypt and Jordan do not want to do that, but we must demand that.

00:21:46.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:21:47.000 The people of Gaza, better said, Hamas is ill-equipped to ever govern again in Gaza.

00:21:48.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:21:54.000 Period. That should never be allowed.

00:21:56.000 So now we go to the West Bank.

00:21:57.000 The West Bank is actually on the eastern part of Israel.

00:21:59.000 It's confusing, but it's western Jordan.

00:22:01.000 That's why it's called the West Bank.

00:22:03.000 And it's traditionally called Judea and Samaria, which is where you have Nablus, and you have Hebron, and you have a lot of different pockets of Palestinian Authority-controlled territory.

00:22:13.000 That needs to be absorbed by Jordan. 0.88

00:22:15.000 They don't want it either, right?

00:22:16.000 Now, finally, Iran. When Iran is consistently saying that they want the death and the eradication of Israel, it's hard to have peace.

00:22:23.000 So the best solution here is what Donald Trump did, is to be strong, is to be confident, is to show American force without endless war and say, if you even put a step out of line, we will take you off the face of this earth.

00:22:37.000 That is the solution. Absolutely.

00:22:39.000 That's the way it needs to be done.

00:22:41.000 Yes. The precedent that was said under Donald Trump's presidency was we're not going to do business with the Iranians, cut their resources, the infrastructure is weakened, they can't fund the Hezbollah and Hamas. 0.90

00:22:51.000 It was a very strategic method that they used there.

00:22:55.000 So we definitely need Donald Trump back.

00:22:57.000 We desperately need Donald Trump back.

00:22:59.000 That's right. Now, I gotta ask, you are friends with Trump.

00:23:04.000 Yes. Probably spent a good amount of time with him.

00:23:06.000 He's the best. Absolutely.

00:23:08.000 Do you have any juicy inside stories that you haven't told the world?

00:23:12.000 I just think he's a great person.

00:23:13.000 He has flaws. We all do.

00:23:15.000 He's treated me and my wife so well.

00:23:17.000 I remember once on Easter Sunday, we were at Mar-a-Lago.

00:23:21.000 This is well before we had a family, before we were married.

00:23:23.000 And we saw Trump. He called us over to his table.

00:23:26.000 And he's like, oh, just come fly in the plane with me.

00:23:27.000 So we flew in Air Force One on Easter Sunday.

00:23:30.000 Easter Sunday, 2019, I think.

00:23:32.000 That's really amazing. So you never forget stuff like that.

00:23:35.000 But he's always been there for me.

00:23:36.000 He's been so loyal. He's been so good.

00:23:39.000 He loves this country.

00:23:40.000 And unlike most politicians, he deeply cares about future generations.

00:23:44.000 He's poured into Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action.

00:23:48.000 And we try to reciprocate because I think he's terrific.

00:23:51.000 He loves his grandkids.

00:23:53.000 He loves the country. He believes in God.

00:23:56.000 He's definitely on a spiritual journey.

00:23:58.000 But yeah, I don't have anything...

00:24:00.000 I will say one of my funnier Trump stories was back in fall of last year.

00:24:04.000 It was like October of last year. I went and visited him at Mar-a-Lago.

00:24:07.000 No one was there. It was a ghost town.

00:24:09.000 And he's just walking around the club with an iPad listening to Phantom of the Opera on full blast.

00:24:17.000 That's epic. Walking around, just be like, oh, Charlie, I want to play this.

00:24:20.000 I just can't be like, wow, okay.

00:24:21.000 We're talking. It's like the whole place is shaking with Phantom of the Opera.

00:24:25.000 He loves good music.

00:24:28.000 Wow. That's my new anthem.

00:24:29.000 I'm going to listen to that after this.

00:24:30.000 Phantom of the Opera. You listen to what you think of Trump.

00:24:33.000 Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:24:34.000 That's perfect. That is very perfect.

00:24:36.000 So from the policy angle of Donald Trump, let's kind of go through and look at crime, for example.

00:24:43.000 What is the best way to tackle the war on drugs?

00:24:45.000 Do people need treatment?

00:24:47.000 Do they not need treatment?

00:24:48.000 How do we actually fix this problem?

00:24:50.000 Well, there's two things. You have users and you have dealers.

00:24:52.000 So the first of which is dealers must be dealt with far more harshly.

00:24:56.000 They must be put in prison for much longer periods of time.

00:24:58.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:25:03.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:25:07.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:25:24.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:25:24.000 That thing will be secure in an afternoon.

00:25:26.000 She'll mobilize the Mexican military. 0.98

00:25:27.000 That thing will be secure. Number two, he'll say that you have a 20-day notice.

00:25:31.000 Every single fentanyl plant, every single cocaine plant needs to be shut down.

00:25:35.000 Here are the 15 locations.

00:25:37.000 And if they're not shut down, I'm going to send fighter jets and we're bombing them ourselves in 20 days.

00:25:38.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:25:41.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:25:41.000 Wow. That is the way to do it.

00:25:43.000 And like, that's it. Like, I mean, by the way, what is Mexico going to do?

00:25:45.000 Okay. Well, Mexico's going to fight back. 0.99

00:25:47.000 Give me a break. Okay. We're in charge.

00:25:49.000 Our people are dying. That's the way that our president should act.

00:25:51.000 Our people are dying. You're not.

00:25:52.000 You have a 20 day heads up.

00:25:54.000 Okay. So after the border secure, if you do not shut down these 15, because we know where they are, we literally can look at them on satellite imagery.

00:26:00.000 Here's where they are. Cartels bringing all the raw substances.

00:26:03.000 They have huge chemical plants there.

00:26:05.000 They have chemists that come in, mix them together.

00:26:07.000 They distribute them out there.

00:26:08.000 If you do not shut these down, if the Mexican government does not go in to the Sinaloa region and go in and do it itself, we're going to just go send fighter jets and we're just going to start dropping bombs on them.

00:26:17.000 And then, yes, the third part of that is that any time a cartel member is seen on the border and comes in interior United States, they should be fired upon by the U.S. military.

00:26:26.000 We are being actively involved by a foreign force called the cartels and it's time we start treating it like an invasion.

00:26:33.000 This is not a migrant crisis.

00:26:34.000 This is a military operation.

00:26:36.000 Okay, now on the user side, yes, treatment really matters, but first of all, I'm very much against the legalization of marijuana.

00:26:45.000 I think legalization of marijuana leads to other forms of drug use.

00:26:49.000 I think it is a gateway drug.

00:26:50.000 Not everyone agrees, but that's fine.

00:26:52.000 But yes, I think treatment is so incredibly important.

00:26:55.000 I think we should have compassion for people that get into this cycle of drugs.

00:26:58.000 But as America becomes more secular, we must understand it's harder to heal people from their drug trauma.

00:27:04.000 Jesus heals people from their drug trauma, right?

00:27:06.000 From their drug issues. Jesus will set you free from all of that.

00:27:10.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:27:15.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:27:20.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:27:37.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:27:51.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:27:53.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:27:58.000 So, yeah, I have a radical opinion.

00:28:01.000 I think that we actually need longer prison sentences for violent offenders.

00:28:06.000 The average rapist serves three years in prison.

00:28:09.000 Wow. People don't know that.

00:28:11.000 It's incredible. That's sick.

00:28:12.000 Yeah, it should be 30 or 40 years and you should be castrated. 1.00

00:28:15.000 It should be a.40 caliber. 0.99

00:28:16.000 With 100%, right?

00:28:18.000 Especially if it's like a jury of your peers.

00:28:20.000 I mean, I'm a big believer in due process.

00:28:22.000 But if you're like credibly accused in a court of law, not this nonsense that Trump is going through this civil case stuff. 0.95

00:28:27.000 It's all ridiculous. But with DNA evidence, like real stuff, then you should be taken care of.

00:28:33.000 Recidivism is a big problem.

00:28:35.000 I don't know the solution.

00:28:37.000 There are states that have worked on it.

00:28:39.000 There are states that have tried it.

00:28:40.000 So then it comes to the question, is prison punishment or is prison about rehabilitation?

00:28:45.000 The answer is it really depends.

00:28:47.000 It depends on what your crime is.

00:28:48.000 I'll be honest. If you're a child rapist, there is no... 1.00

00:28:51.000 I'm not... 0.99

00:28:52.000 Absent a miraculous intervention from Christ our Lord, which anything is possible, you should not leave prison.

00:29:00.000 Period. Like, I'm sorry.

00:29:01.000 Like, if you really lay your hands on a kid like that, I think you should get the death penalty. 0.99

00:29:05.000 I agree. Right? Yeah. 0.99

00:29:06.000 But yeah, look, I just...

00:29:08.000 As far as recidivism, I know there's been a lot of studies on this, a lot of issues with re-entry.

00:29:12.000 Prisons are where criminals become better criminals and they become better gang members.

00:29:17.000 But I'm sure there's a better way to do it.

00:29:19.000 But that's not the biggest concern I have when it comes to criminal justice.

00:29:23.000 The biggest promise I have is the amount of criminals that commit crimes that don't go to jail.

00:29:27.000 For example, in Chicago, only half of all murders get solved.

00:29:30.000 Half. Wow.

00:29:32.000 Think about that. Half of all murders go unsolved.

00:29:35.000 It's unreal. So you have body bags and you have two body bags.

00:29:39.000 One of those body, you'll never find out who actually did the murder.

00:29:41.000 So we don't have enough people in prison, especially for violent crime.

00:29:45.000 That's an interesting take.

00:29:46.000 I appreciate that. It's different than most people.

00:29:48.000 Yeah. I'm going to meditate on that.

00:29:50.000 I agree with you, actually.

00:29:51.000 Yeah. I'm talking about violent crime.

00:29:52.000 I'm not talking about some of the other superfluous stuff.

00:29:56.000 But I'm talking about you're murdering somebody.

00:29:58.000 For example, look in California.

00:30:00.000 We've had a very compassionate criminal approach for quite some time.

00:30:05.000 In California, they will not arrest you if you shoplift under $900. 0.53

00:30:09.000 Crazy. I think that's wrong.

00:30:11.000 And they say, oh, well, you know, our prisons are full.

00:30:12.000 Like, okay, we'll figure it out. Right?

00:30:14.000 If you shoplift $80, if you shoplift a toothbrush, you should be arrested.

00:30:19.000 Yeah. Thou shall not steal is a commandment for a reason.

00:30:23.000 That's right. And the civil law and the moral law are inextricably linked.

00:30:28.000 Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.

00:30:30.000 That was very well put. Now, what about the education system?

00:30:33.000 We have all this ideological subversion coming after even the Cold War is where you could really trace a lot of this too.

00:30:39.000 Yes. We are being psyoped.

00:30:41.000 They're creating cognitive dissonance.

00:30:43.000 They're creating the inability for the kids to have real logic or rhetoric.

00:30:47.000 And they're all going around sowing this divide.

00:30:50.000 The Overton's window is spreading with fanaticism.

00:30:52.000 There's two sides, three sides, four.

00:30:54.000 None of them can find a middle ground, a real centrist place where we could all get along.

00:30:59.000 And I think that's something that you've accomplished really well with your organization.

00:31:02.000 So you give an opportunity for a conversation so that we can actually start to heal some of the issues of this world.

00:31:08.000 But how do we start with the education?

00:31:10.000 What can we do there? Yeah.

00:31:12.000 Well, first of all, I think we need more parents to homeschool their kids if they can.

00:31:15.000 I think homeschooling is a great solution.

00:31:16.000 The church needs to step up even more.

00:31:18.000 It needs to take a leadership role in how we are educating our kids.

00:31:23.000 And then finally, in public schools, we need more school choice.

00:31:27.000 Government schools are so lost right now.

00:31:29.000 What they are not teaching, what they're doing to these kids is so terrible.

00:31:32.000 It's so destructive. It's incredibly damaging.

00:31:36.000 And so, yeah, I mean, not only do I understand rhetoric or reading or writing, they're being taught the wrong things about the world.

00:31:44.000 They're being taught that America is an evil country and that there is no God and that you should just do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.

00:31:50.000 And so it starts with parents and it starts with good Christian parents not sending their kids to government schools. 0.83

00:31:57.000 Absolutely. Now, if we do go for the homeschooling route, who are the kids going to go to prom with?

00:32:03.000 All jokes. Of course, they could go to another homeschool.

00:32:06.000 I mean, there's other more important things.

00:32:09.000 Yes, I agree. I completely agree.

00:32:12.000 So, given your worldview and given how much you've read and experienced, what are your predictions for this country going forward?

00:32:19.000 Boy, I'm out of the prediction business.

00:32:22.000 If Trump wins, we'll be in a good spot, I think.

00:32:26.000 I mean, I think that there still is an economic catastrophe that's coming regardless if Trump wins or Kamala wins.

00:32:31.000 But I think Trump will be able to navigate it and maybe even prevent it.

00:32:34.000 If Kamala wins, we're going to be in a bad spot.

00:32:36.000 We're going to be in a real bad spot.

00:32:38.000 But I mean, I'm not going to stop fighting.

00:32:40.000 God's in charge. Jesus is on his throne.

00:32:42.000 But if Kamala wins, we're going to be in a rough spot.

00:32:44.000 Yeah. The one thing I'll give the left, specifically the Biden administration, is that they've polled higher than anyone ever in the cemetery.

00:32:53.000 That's right. Yes. They are able to get the 150-year-old vote really well.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, they capture that audience so well.

00:33:00.000 I don't know what it is. So switching gears a little bit, are you familiar with the CIA Operation Project Stargate?

00:33:08.000 Stargate? No.

00:33:09.000 I know many of them. I know COINTELPRO. I know Paperclip.

00:33:12.000 I know Mockingbird. I don't know that one.

00:33:14.000 All right. So the objective of Operation Stargate was to measure the vulnerabilities and capabilities of paranormal phenomenon in conjunction with military operation.

00:33:24.000 So they were employing psychics.

00:33:26.000 It was a lot about mediumship and ESP and kind of seeing what we could accomplish with remote viewing.

00:33:32.000 Have you read into any of this kind of stuff?

00:33:34.000 I haven't, no. Oh, I got some books I'll give you.

00:33:36.000 It's some interesting stuff.

00:33:38.000 There's a man named Russell Targ.

00:33:40.000 He was the former director of this operation.

00:33:41.000 He was a CIA agent and he gives a little background into how he was recruited.

00:33:46.000 And from the intelligence agency standpoint, a lot can be inferred by the actual metrics by which they chose to find a man that they deemed to be a psychic.

00:33:54.000 And one of them was that he was claiming to see these little orbs of light, he had a near-death experience, and he claimed there's no such thing as death, that there is another birth.

00:34:03.000 And I think that's powerful stuff.

00:34:05.000 Well, I'd love to learn about it.

00:34:07.000 Absolutely. I'll make sure to get that over to you.

00:34:09.000 Alright, so tell our audience a little bit about COINTELPRO. Boy, Operation Cointelpro, you've got to remind me which one is which.

00:34:17.000 So, I think that's Mind Control, if I'm not mistaken.

00:34:20.000 MKUltra. Okay, is that MKUltra or is Cointelpro different?

00:34:23.000 I believe Cointelpro, now I might be mistaken, but I think it has something to do with trafficking.

00:34:28.000 Now, MKUltra is Mind Control.

00:34:30.000 No, you're totally right, yes.

00:34:31.000 I don't quite remember Cointelpro, I just remember the name of it.

00:34:34.000 I could talk about MKUltra.

00:34:35.000 That one I actually know better. Oh, yeah.

00:34:37.000 Let's do MKUltra. MKUltra was when...

00:34:39.000 So, for example, the Unabomber who just recently died... 0.97

00:34:44.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:34:45.000 I know. That's not Timothy McVeigh.

00:34:47.000 Oh, my goodness. I'll think of it in a sec.

00:34:49.000 Put it on the screen. Yeah.

00:34:51.000 Oh, my goodness. How do I not remember the Unabomber's name? 0.99

00:34:53.000 Anyway, the Unabomber who was a professor of mathematics was a victim of CIA mind control.

00:35:00.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:35:05.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:35:09.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:35:21.000 And he had this manifesto.

00:35:24.000 And the manifesto that he wrote was all about the warnings of technology.

00:35:26.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:35:27.000 But his kind of psychosis was induced by MKUltra.

00:35:32.000 Wow. Which was...

00:35:33.000 So the Central Intelligence...

00:35:34.000 We know this because of the Church and Pike Committee... 0.97

00:35:36.000 That was constituted in the 1960s and 70s by Congress to look into all of the activity by the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:35:40.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:35:43.000 We learned about the heart attack gun, where the CIA can make it look like you had a heart attack by just shooting a dart at you, taking the dart out, and then it mimics a heart attack.

00:35:52.000 Makes you wonder how many people in public life actually have had a heart attack gun against them.

00:35:56.000 Stanley Kubrick. Yeah, or Andrew Breitbart, right?

00:35:59.000 You never know. Yeah, Stanley Kubrick, interesting.

00:36:02.000 I never thought about that. And so...

00:36:05.000 The essence of the MKUltra was that the CIO was actively involved in trying to proliferate mass mind control and also being able to find an individual subject and be able to change their behavior and maybe turn them into someone who was violent, to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts. 0.50

00:36:27.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:36:31.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:36:48.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:36:50.000 It would give patients psychedelics to see if they could turn somebody into, like, a school shooter or something.

00:36:55.000 Charles Manson. Charlie Manson is another...

00:36:57.000 Yeah, he was a MKUltra... 0.84

00:36:59.000 Well, I don't know if we know he was, for sure.

00:37:02.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:37:02.000 There's a lot of speculation. 1.00

00:37:03.000 No, no, that's right. No, actually, in the book CIA in the 60s, they believe Charlie Manson was...

00:37:05.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:37:10.000 Boy, I can't believe I... I can't remember the Unabomber's name.

00:37:12.000 Anyway, so... It's all right. Yeah.

00:37:13.000 So... The real question is, I know one thing about the CIA, is they're not going to leave until they get results.

00:37:21.000 The MKUltra program, when it was declassified, they announced it.

00:37:25.000 Ted Kaczynski. I'm sorry.

00:37:26.000 Ted Kaczynski. Goodness gracious.

00:37:28.000 Yes. They don't pay me enough for this stuff.

00:37:31.000 Ted Kaczynski. I'm sorry.

00:37:32.000 Now I finally got it. Don't worry about it.

00:37:34.000 All right. Do you think the MKUltra project ever actually ended?

00:37:37.000 No, we have no evidence that it ended.

00:37:40.000 And I mean, also, we have Operation Mockingbird 2, which was another CIA program, which was that they were going to take over all the news networks and have symmetry in their broadcast communications.

00:37:50.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:37:56.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:38:00.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:38:17.000 The executive branch doesn't run the country.

00:38:17.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:38:19.000 This is why they hate Trump. Because Trump was the first candidate since JFK to actually want to declare war on the intel agencies and bring the power back to the sovereign.

00:38:29.000 And both him and Kennedy got shot.

00:38:31.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:38:33.000 What's the possibility that the shooter, the recent attempt on Trump's life, was a Manchurian candidate?

00:38:38.000 We have some evidence that there's suspicion.

00:38:40.000 I want to be really precise.

00:38:43.000 But, yeah, I mean, looking at what the CIA has done before, it makes you wonder.

00:38:47.000 Because if you look at what MKUltra was and how they wound people up and how they disturbed people, again, this kid was most likely just a run-of-the-mill, deranged, disturbed individual. 0.68

00:39:01.000 But there's a lot of suspicious stuff that happened on July 13th in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:39:05.000 A lot of suspicious stuff.

00:39:07.000 Absolutely. What do you think the relationship, if one, is between SSRIs and mass shootings?

00:39:14.000 I don't know if there is one. So everyone understands what SSRI is.

00:39:17.000 It's a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.

00:39:21.000 So an SSRI is supposed to regulate the brain's ability to make serotonin, which is a byproduct of tryptophan.

00:39:30.000 You know that if you have a lot of turkey.

00:39:32.000 And serotonin effectively is the happiness molecule, right?

00:39:37.000 So your body has adrenaline.

00:39:40.000 We know what that is.

00:39:41.000 Your body has cortisol for stress.

00:39:44.000 Your body then also produces It produces serotonin for happiness and many other hormones.

00:39:49.000 Dopamine for reward, right?

00:39:51.000 Everyone knows about dopamine, which kind of drink, you know, dopamine hit, which keeps you going, football games, video games.

00:39:56.000 I have not seen a connection.

00:39:58.000 So let me be very clear.

00:40:00.000 There's a logical fallacy waiting to happen between this.

00:40:03.000 However, it could be true. So let me build it up.

00:40:06.000 Almost every school shooter is on SSRIs.

00:40:09.000 So it's tempting to say, therefore, SSRIs cause school shootings. 0.90

00:40:14.000 But we must be logically clear back to Aristotelian roots, right?

00:40:17.000 But what if people who are more likely to do school shootings are prescribed SSRIs because they're more likely to do school shootings?

00:40:24.000 Does that make sense? So we don't know if these chemicals create violent tendencies or people that have violent tendencies are then put on SSRIs.

00:40:32.000 We don't know that. But it is fascinating to look at, I don't like saying their names, the Parkland shooter, the Sandy Hook shooter, the movie theater shooter in Aurora, Colorado.

00:40:44.000 Almost every single one of them was on some form of antidepressant.

00:40:48.000 And then it also begs the question, do these drugs actually work?

00:40:52.000 And no, they don't.

00:40:54.000 There's actually very little evidence that with long-term longitudinal studies that SSRIs or benzodiazepines or Xanax or Prozac or Valium are, mommy's little helper, are actually making you happier long-term.

00:41:10.000 It might dull you.

00:41:12.000 It might mute you. But the brain is such a complex organ.

00:41:17.000 to his credit. These girls, they came, they shared their opinions, they shared their thoughts.

00:41:22.000 And it's like Isaac said, I do this for a living. I express my opinion for a living.

00:41:26.000 I think it was more casual for them. But I appreciate it coming on. I thought it was a good conversation. And it's good to flesh out the topics. I think they represent what everybody thinks about the issues. I think in that way, it was balanced. I represent kind of the opposite view.

00:41:43.000 And I'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say, oh, well, I got you in my trap. I'm trying to get people to think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you could see so much of the talk is, well, everyone should vote.

00:41:57.000 Everyone has rights. Women have rights. 1.00

00:41:57.000 Well, yeah, that's absolutely accurate. 1.00

00:42:00.000 Everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it should be.

00:42:00.000 I think it's so important that people take holistic approaches when they can.

00:42:03.000 Absolutely. To try to help their issues.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, look, I'm not bashing anyone who's on antidepressants.

00:42:08.000 I know someone where it's really helped them, but you know what they'll tell you?

00:42:11.000 It only helped me when I also did walking every day, working out, I did therapy.

00:42:17.000 If you take the pill and you continue your bad habits, You're almost assuredly not going to be able to break out of whatever funk you're in.

00:42:27.000 Absolutely. Yeah, it's so true.

00:42:30.000 And I think that there are many cases where these kinds of things can help.

00:42:33.000 And even in the case of marijuana, if that's an alternative to someone that might be taking chemotherapy, things in those situations, I think it's better.

00:42:41.000 But I'm with you fully across the board on this.

00:42:45.000 Great. Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:46.000 So I have a feeling that we're about to get one of our most interesting parts.

00:42:52.000 I've wanted to ask you this for a long time.

00:42:53.000 Wait, wait, I'm going to be clear. So SSRIs and aliens and Aristotle, not interesting, but now we're getting into the interesting stuff.

00:43:01.000 Oh yeah, we're just warming up.

00:43:02.000 I love it. I love it.

00:43:04.000 Have you ever had a supernatural experience?

00:43:07.000 Please explain. Well, yeah.

00:43:10.000 I mean, first of all, seeing my daughter be born was supernatural.

00:43:15.000 I mean, it wasn't like I was in some other place.

00:43:18.000 But yeah, absolutely.

00:43:19.000 That was supernatural.

00:43:21.000 Getting married was supernatural.

00:43:23.000 Best thing ever. Absolutely.

00:43:27.000 I've had other moments where the Holy Spirit has spoke to me, for sure.

00:43:30.000 I can see it. I can see it.

00:43:31.000 You are anointed. I don't know about that.

00:43:34.000 I'm just being used. Absolutely.

00:43:36.000 Well, He certainly is using you.

00:43:37.000 Well, thank you. For good things.

00:43:39.000 Thank you. Praise God. Absolutely.

00:43:40.000 Praise God. I want to take it to kind of a lighthearted place.

00:43:43.000 Okay. This will be fun. You're a good interviewer.

00:43:45.000 I love these questions. Thank you.

00:43:47.000 So much better than the usual stuff. Oh, I appreciate that.

00:43:49.000 I really do. This game, if you're up to it, is called Describe Them in One Word.

00:43:54.000 I love this game. All right.

00:43:56.000 Donald Trump. Courageous.

00:43:59.000 I agree. Kamala Harris.

00:44:03.000 Treacherous. Elon Musk.

00:44:07.000 Eccentric. Got a retweet from him today.

00:44:10.000 He follows me now on Twitter.

00:44:11.000 Can you believe that? Wow!

00:44:13.000 I love Elon. I've followed him my whole life.

00:44:15.000 I've read everything about him.

00:44:17.000 Not everything, but I've read all the books, especially the Walter Isaacson book.

00:44:20.000 I read it carefully. I think he's so special.

00:44:23.000 I hope to meet him one day. I'm sure you will.

00:44:25.000 Vladimir Putin? Hmm.

00:44:28.000 Complicated. I agree.

00:44:30.000 Kim Jong-un. Boy, petulant. 0.99

00:44:35.000 I agree. He seems very childish to me. 0.90

00:44:37.000 So that's why I use the word petulant.

00:44:38.000 It's a good word. Kanye West.

00:44:40.000 Confused. Joe Biden.

00:44:44.000 Confused. Hunter Biden.

00:44:48.000 Very damaged.

00:44:49.000 He's a damaged person.

00:44:51.000 Yeah, it's awful. It's awful.

00:44:53.000 Anthony Fauci. Evil.

00:44:55.000 Yeah, oh yeah. He's an evil human being. 1.00

00:44:57.000 I agree. Ben Shapiro. 0.99

00:45:00.000 Smart. Yes.

00:45:02.000 Candace Owens. Awesome. 1.00

00:45:05.000 Charlie Kirk. Flawed.

00:45:09.000 I would use a different one but I like it.

00:45:11.000 I appreciate your humility.

00:45:13.000 You're awesome. I would say that you're a fighter, a legend.

00:45:16.000 Thank you. Absolutely. Jordan Peterson.

00:45:20.000 Oh, wow. I would say he is interesting.

00:45:24.000 Again, you only give me one word, so I have to package so much into one word.

00:45:28.000 Of course. I love Jordan Peterson.

00:45:30.000 He's so great. The new suits he has these days.

00:45:32.000 I don't know if I like the split one.

00:45:34.000 The two-color one? Never seen anything like it.

00:45:37.000 The blue and the red, it's a little too much for me.

00:45:40.000 Sure, sure. Bill Gates.

00:45:42.000 Oh, boy. Cunning.

00:45:46.000 George Soros.

00:45:48.000 We said evil before, but I have to repeat it for George Soros.

00:45:52.000 Yeah, absolutely. Klaus Schwab.

00:45:56.000 I'd say technocrat.

00:45:58.000 He wants to micromanage your life.

00:46:00.000 He's so much in that German model of the Council of Experts.

00:46:03.000 Very Prussian. Absolutely. 0.70

00:46:05.000 Now going back into history a little bit, Friedrich Nietzsche.

00:46:09.000 Friedrich Nietzsche. Wow.

00:46:10.000 I only get one word? No, this one you can talk about it in depth.

00:46:14.000 Well, Nietzsche is so complicated.

00:46:16.000 He, of course, wrote Beyond Good and Evil and thus say Xalathustra.

00:46:21.000 He lost his mind towards the end of his life.

00:46:23.000 But he was the first person to lament...

00:46:27.000 The death of God in the West.

00:46:30.000 Remember, he said God is dead.

00:46:31.000 And he meant that as if the belief in God is dying in the West and be careful what you're going to invite next.

00:46:37.000 He basically predicted the Holocaust and the Communist Revolution.

00:46:40.000 I would also say he was complicated.

00:46:43.000 Yes. Nietzsche did a lot of good and there's a lot of really dark nihilism in his writings.

00:46:48.000 A lot. Absolutely. What about Voltaire?

00:46:51.000 You know, I don't like him very much.

00:46:53.000 I mean, I know one quote from Voltaire.

00:46:56.000 He also was kind of a communist, if I'm not mistaken, kind of like a Marxist revolutionary.

00:47:00.000 The quote that everyone quotes is, you know, I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it's my death.

00:47:07.000 I'd say he's overrated.

00:47:09.000 Okay, okay. I agree.

00:47:11.000 I hear you there. How about Pythagoras?

00:47:15.000 Very useful theorem.

00:47:17.000 So I'd say useful. Yes, that's right.

00:47:20.000 That's right. And my favorite of them all, going back into the modern day, Elaine Beck.

00:47:26.000 Oh, Elaine Beck. Oh my goodness.

00:47:28.000 She's courageous and she is a disciple of God and she is bold and she loves the Lord.

00:47:37.000 And she's the type of person that everyone should look up to and say that she's fighting for her country and for the kingdom.

00:47:45.000 She's a Proverbs 31 woman. 1.00

00:47:48.000 Absolutely. I agree.

00:47:50.000 Now, imagine this.

00:47:52.000 You just now were given the ultimate power of the world.

00:47:56.000 You are the grand pontificate, dictator, king, prince, all of it.

00:48:01.000 You run everything. I hope not.

00:48:03.000 So scary. Yeah.

00:48:05.000 Well, just for this thought experiment, what would be the first policy you put in place with unchecked power?

00:48:10.000 Of the world or America?

00:48:11.000 Let's do America. Well, if America, my goodness, I would first and foremost seal the border, deport the foreigners. 1.00

00:48:19.000 So I don't have to go through Congress.

00:48:21.000 I can just do whatever I want. Yep. Wow.

00:48:23.000 I would, by decree, I would immediately bring in the U.S. military and the National Guard into the major U.S. cities and stop the crime wave.

00:48:37.000 I would go into the education system and completely blow up the current form and fashion.

00:48:43.000 I would make it bibliocentric again and with God at the center.

00:48:48.000 I would then – I would stop the war between Russia and Ukraine.

00:48:52.000 We would audit the Federal Reserve and we would balance the budget immediately.

00:48:56.000 We would balance the federal budget and stop borrowing money.

00:48:59.000 We would dramatically cut taxes and the size of the federal government would be like reduced significantly from $6 trillion a year to like a trillion and a half a year.

00:49:08.000 And we would cut taxes across the board.

00:49:10.000 The economy would boom overnight.

00:49:12.000 Yeah, those are just some of my ideas.

00:49:14.000 Yeah, maybe we should give you that authority as soon as possible.

00:49:16.000 So what I would do as dictator is I would make government smaller.

00:49:19.000 Thank you! I would be the first dictator in human history that would give power back to the people.

00:49:25.000 Wow. The power to relinquish power.

00:49:27.000 That's what I would do. But if I had to use power to go after the cartels, I would.

00:49:33.000 And then I would send China a big invoice for COVID and say, you owe us $10 trillion.

00:49:39.000 Yeah, that they do.

00:49:40.000 That they do. The plandemic was an ugly thing.

00:49:42.000 No, I would. I would put tariffs on China, too. 0.66

00:49:44.000 Yeah. Day one. I agree. I agree.

00:49:46.000 And I think that would have a trickling effect all throughout Asia.

00:49:49.000 It would also weaken North Korea.

00:49:50.000 Yes. It's a great move. I would defund Planned Parenthood, defund NPR. Oh, yeah.

00:49:54.000 Overnight. I would just get rid of that.

00:49:56.000 Yeah. I would do what I can to try to fight for life, try to get rid of these ridiculous abortion clinics, all that good stuff. 0.86

00:50:02.000 Absolutely. Now, I watch a lot of your videos online.

00:50:05.000 I've been watching you for years.

00:50:07.000 Thank you. All of my friends have been watching it.

00:50:09.000 Thank you. Absolutely. What's up, guys?

00:50:12.000 But I just wanted to ask you, what's the most insane experience you've had with some of these Libby's out here? 1.00

00:50:18.000 Because I see people come attack you, man.

00:50:20.000 We got a lot of crazy stuff.

00:50:22.000 The craziest, still, this is undefeated, was when Candace Owens and I got run out of a restaurant in Philadelphia.

00:50:29.000 What happened? Yeah, it was well documented at the time.

00:50:31.000 It was back in 2018, six years ago.

00:50:34.000 Wow. We were having breakfast in Philadelphia.

00:50:38.000 Wow. And she lived in Philadelphia at the time.

00:50:42.000 And it was like her favorite breakfast place.

00:50:44.000 We went in there, 7 a.m.

00:50:45.000 right as it opened. And as it opened, I was like, hey, Candace, those guys over there, I think they're part of Antifa.

00:50:49.000 The night before was an all-night anti-cop protest.

00:50:52.000 And it was like, okay. So we're having our meal.

00:50:55.000 And we look out the window within like 20 minutes.

00:50:57.000 There were like 200 people out there protesting us.

00:51:00.000 They come into the restaurant.

00:51:01.000 They start screaming at us.

00:51:02.000 They drive us out of the restaurant.

00:51:04.000 All these cops had to be mobilized.

00:51:06.000 That's still as undefeated as one of the craziest campus experiences.

00:51:08.000 Not campus, just experiences in general.

00:51:11.000 Wow. That's unreal.

00:51:13.000 That's unreal. I pray that God has a shield over you.

00:51:16.000 I hope so. I really believe in what you're doing, and I know that God would be very proud.

00:51:20.000 Thank you. Absolutely. Now, I'm going to warn you, this is the most controversial question of the entire thing.

00:51:27.000 All right. And there is a right answer.

00:51:29.000 All right. Kendrick Lamar Drake.

00:51:32.000 I think they're both awful.

00:51:34.000 I would say probably Kendrick Lamar, not because of his music. 0.99

00:51:37.000 His music's terrible, but he hates pedophiles. 0.80

00:51:39.000 So I'd have to go with Kendrick Lamar. 0.94

00:51:41.000 To his credit, again, his music is noise.

00:51:43.000 It's objectively terrible music.

00:51:46.000 And it's really explicit.

00:51:48.000 But to his credit, he has two kids.

00:51:51.000 He stayed with the same woman for a while.

00:51:53.000 He's not married to her.

00:51:55.000 Okay. But grading on the curve of American rappers...

00:52:00.000 Kendrick Lamar is much better.

00:52:02.000 And he went hard against pedophiles.

00:52:04.000 So he went up in my book.

00:52:06.000 Awesome. That brings me such joy.

00:52:08.000 So I knew a little bit more about pop culture than people would think.

00:52:11.000 So we go from Aristotle to Kendrick Lamar.

00:52:13.000 That's right. That's right.

00:52:14.000 A lot of juxtaposition.

00:52:16.000 Oh, yeah. We like to keep it fresh and fun.

00:52:18.000 Anyone who hates pedophiles, I think he's fine.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, good in my book. Yes.

00:52:22.000 Yeah, absolutely. Well, Charlie, thank you so much for your time.

00:52:26.000 Thank you. God bless you.

00:52:27.000 God bless you. Incredible experience.

00:52:29.000 I love your name, Justice We Shall Pursue.

00:52:32.000 Oh, yes. It's one of my favorite scriptures.

00:52:34.000 Thank you. You shall pursue.

00:52:36.000 God bless you. God bless you.

00:52:37.000 Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:52:39.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:52:42.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 13, 2024

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