Over the weekend we did a members-only interview with Homeland Security Secretary Christine Ohm at our Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida. She is a dedicated law enforcement officer and has been with the Department of Homeland Security for over twenty-five years. She has served as the Director of Enforcement and Removal Operations for ICE since her appointment in 2006, and served as Director of the Office of Public Diplomacy and Liaison with the Bureau of Control and Investigations (OCI) from 2002-2006. She was the first woman to become a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and was appointed to the position of Director of ICE in 2006.
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00:01:13.000Okay, everybody, we want to maximize our time now with yet another cabinet official with Donald Trump, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Christine Ohm, everybody.
00:02:03.000Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands a month.
00:02:06.000We literally had 21 million people come into this country illegally over the last four years.
00:02:12.000I mean, that's an interesting question.
00:02:14.000You're in the Department of Homeland Security.
00:02:15.000You're tasked with interior enforcement and obviously, I guess, border.
00:02:20.000Do we even know how many illegals are in our country?
00:02:22.000That is our estimate, is that those that we know about, those that we don't know about, known gotaways, and then the estimates based on what the traffic was, was that during the Biden administration, we had millions and millions come in, but we think we today could have upwards up to 21 million.
00:02:56.000We know there are millions of gotaways that we don't have a record or a database on.
00:03:01.000I would say that every day that we're out doing our operations, which are specifically targeted towards the worst of the worst, there's those that are with them that we had no idea that they existed, that they were individuals that are affiliated with them, people that are in the country, that when we go back in and run their IDs through CBP or through other entities, Interpool, or other countries that have them on their extradition lists, they're individuals that weren't on our radar.
00:03:27.000So I think what's the most remarkable about this president is that since he's been in office for the last six months, we've removed over 600 known and suspected terrorists out of this country.
00:03:42.000These are folks that are known terrorists.
00:03:44.000And then if you go on and beyond the six that he has designated as foreign terrorist organizations as far as gangs and cartel members, tens of thousands of those individuals we've swept up off our streets.
00:03:54.000We were talking today that just here in Tampa, some of the worst of the worst we've removed in the last several weeks have been child pedophiles.
00:04:02.000Some that were producing child pornography and distributing it, a child rapist, a murderer, one that was guilty of sexual assault on a 12-year-old.
00:04:13.000These are individuals that just here in this area that our HSI and ICE officers have been able to remove from the streets.
00:04:20.000And so the fact that those individuals have been out on our streets for years perpetuating crimes is really unbelievable.
00:04:27.000So how many terrorists on the watch list you said?
00:04:29.000600 known and suspected terrorists that we have been able to sweep up and remove from the streets.
00:04:37.000How many other terrorists are on the watch?
00:04:39.000Well, and that's the issue is that how many are there that we don't know about?
00:04:42.000And we've been, I've gone to, I think, 10 different countries now and visited with their presidents and their leaderships and talked to them about sharing security information, extradition agreements that we can negotiate with them on their worst of the worst.
00:04:57.000Who can we return to them and what information can they give us?
00:05:01.000How can we share the data, the biometric information that they may have, and how we can get them to cooperate with us in taking back their citizens or being a third country that we can utilize to help put people in that we want out of this country as soon as possible.
00:05:39.000We're also looking at prosecution with the Department of Justice on what they have the opportunity to do.
00:05:44.000We need to better as a government partner with our private industry technology experts, private industry.
00:05:51.000We have not done a good job working with them in the technology field to see what we can do to get in front of these kinds of advancements and how they use our technology against us and the operations that we have.
00:06:02.000So that's one of the things that Elon and his team brought to the table so much that was so innovative was they were constantly giving us new technology that we could use to go out and to target the worst of the worst and get in front of them.
00:06:15.000And then even activities such as that where they're exposing our ICE operations and our officers to danger.
00:06:20.000One of the brilliant strategies that you are using is that it's not just about deportation but also self-deportation.
00:06:31.000And so how does that couple with self-deportation?
00:06:35.000Correct me if I'm wrong, you'll actually give people $1,000 if they return back home?
00:06:39.000Yeah, we think that right now we have over a million illegal aliens that have left the workforce here in the United States and have gone home already by self-deportation.
00:06:47.000They said that from all of our intelligence analysts, from what we've done in other countries on why people are returning to their countries, is because of the CCOT videos and the videos of alligator Alcatraz.
00:07:08.000When you show the fact that there's consequences for staying here illegally and that you will have to leave and you won't ever get the chance to come back, that people are self-deporting.
00:07:17.000So, yeah, if they want to go home, and I just had a press conference a little over, I don't know, an hour or two ago that talked about the fact that if you self-deport, we will buy you a plane ticket.
00:07:27.000When you land there, we will give you $1,000 that you can use to help get your life started, to buy food or rent a place.
00:07:34.000But also, as part of these trips to these countries, what I've done is negotiate in some of these countries and visit with these leadership teams and presidents about the fact that you can establish programs for your own people in your own country.
00:07:47.000So Guatemala, Honduras, you know, Panama, some of these countries have started their own programs where they're loaning their civilians money so they can buy houses, giving them dollars so that they have education.
00:08:00.000They have a training program that they can, when they come home, fill the jobs that they have there.
00:08:05.000So now these individuals that are in our country illegally know I can get a ticket home and when I get there, my country will train me for a job.
00:08:13.000I'll be able to get a loan for a house.
00:08:14.000My kids will get a scholarship for an education.
00:08:16.000I have a future in my own country and we believe that that's why they're going home and they're gaining momentum and doing that every day.
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00:09:51.000It was such a, you know, you would think Homeland Security would be our number one priority beyond our national defense, correct?
00:09:58.000Because the partnership is so incredible.
00:10:00.000But yes, so we will have 10,000 new ICE officers funded through that bill, 5,000 new CBP officers.
00:10:06.000Also, just what we need for training and equipment.
00:10:09.000When President Trump during his first administration built the wall, he built the infrastructure of it, but the technology didn't get installed.
00:10:15.000So the technology as far as surveillance equipment, what we need for drones, what we need for counter-drone activity, taking out weapon systems, our Coast Guard is getting a whole new force design.
00:10:27.000They are the tip of the spear of our national security strategy.
00:10:44.000But our job is to not only have jurisdiction over every person that's in this country and who comes and goes, but also every product that comes into our country or leaves, all the ports of entry, all of the tariffs are collected by CBP and remitted to the federal government.
00:10:57.000Federal, they have done a fantastic job in collecting and assessing that the appropriate duties are there when it needs to be adjusted because the president has made a new decision to do it.
00:11:09.000Also, the companies will lie sometimes about what's in their containers.
00:11:23.000Customs and Border Protection is charged with not only just what comes in our ports of entry, but also what is coming in by air or freight, small packages.
00:11:32.000So they are, some of the dollars out of this bill will be used for technology for scanning purposes.
00:12:28.000It was combined with four different law enforcement agencies.
00:12:31.000They were all separated before and combined into custom and border protection.
00:12:34.000But they also, the reason it's so important that they collect those tariffs is because they're the first one to see that shipping container.
00:12:41.000They do the inspection on it, that it is what it is, and that the duties are properly assessed.
00:12:46.000And so they collect information and keep that case and that information so that if there is a violation or that those tariffs can be assessed importantly, and then they do the law enforcement side of it if there is a violation on what actually was in there.
00:12:58.000So you think about it, if you're a company trying to scam the United States, you're shipping in heavy machinery and you say it's lettuce.
00:13:06.000And, you know, that's a lot less of a tariff, so you don't have to pay as much.
00:13:09.000So You actually have to have some integrity there.
00:13:11.000So I want to now talk about our cities because that seems to be really where the rubber is hitting the road.
00:13:17.000LA, Chicago, New York to a certain extent, Denver, and walk us through what we learned what happened recently in California, which is chilling.
00:13:27.000This last week, it should have been the number one news story in the country.
00:13:43.000You know, we have had a lot of big operations that we have focused on a huge background of investigative work that has gone into criminal activity and a lot of these enforcement actions that we're taking through ICE and HSI.
00:13:58.000This marijuana grow facility has been on our radar because there's been several tips and various individuals who have notified us that there was criminal activity ongoing in this operation.
00:14:08.000It was something that we should be looking at and investigating.
00:14:11.000When we put the op down, we did scoop up, I think originally about 150 illegal aliens that were there, but those with criminal activity as well and backgrounds.
00:14:22.000And then also now it's gotten to be over 300.
00:14:28.000And then we have identified now 14 unaccompanied children that were there, that were working, that were being exploited, either we believe by slavery or child sexual exploitation as well, we believe could have been happening there as well.
00:14:44.000And so that kind of investigative work to build those cases and to go into an operation like that is incredibly important beyond the fact then we have a bunch of violent, crazy people that were working there attacking our law enforcement officers and trying to kill them.
00:14:58.000Discharging weapons, throwing rocks through the windshields of their vehicles, which we all know how deadly that can be, and violently attacking them.
00:15:05.000So we will track them down and we will prosecute them with the Department of Justice and bring them to justice.
00:15:12.000So the can you I want to talk about the cities, but you brought up something that I think our audience asks a lot about.
00:15:19.000Can you bring us up to speed on the courts and the deportation process you have to work through right now?
00:15:26.000Because our audience is a little bit unsure.
00:15:29.000It's a decision, it's an appeal, it's Supreme Court, it's an injunction.
00:15:33.000Well, there's always a federal judge that has an opinion that will throw out a decision that is trying to stop the Trump agenda to make our streets safer again.
00:15:42.000We had a decision just come out of, that affected California that talked about the fact that we couldn't go in without reasonable suspicion and sweep up an individual that we thought was an illegal alien.
00:15:53.000And so we had to have a suspected reason or a case as to the fact that we were going in after them and trying to bring them into our detention or into our possession.
00:16:03.000I will tell you that we were doing that anyways.
00:16:06.000We were always building reasonable suspicion.
00:16:08.000Every single case that we're pursuing, we are doing that and going after an individual that we know is breaking our laws in this country and bringing them into justice and making sure that we're following the rule of law.
00:16:19.000What drives me a little bit crazy is that we have the news and we have these liberals, we have these socialists, Marxists, communists that are out there trying to stop President Trump from keeping us safe and they're making up stuff every single day.
00:16:37.000To stay in front of their lies is incredibly difficult.
00:16:40.000So we'll appeal this judge's decision and we'll win because the facts on the ground in California have always been that we've been operating under reasonable suspicion.
00:16:48.000And every single individual is getting due process and we're following everything by the letter of the law, every single individual that's coming into our possession that we are working with to get them out of our country and using our opportunities to prosecute these individuals too.
00:17:25.000There's nothing about that that guarantees you will getting a hearing.
00:17:28.000You will just get your due process and be removed from this country.
00:17:31.000How many would you approximate people have final removal orders?
00:17:35.000We know that 70% of the people that we've arrested so far have criminal charges against them they've been convicted of or are pending.
00:17:43.000Wait, so the other 30% and those in the balance of it are those that have final removal orders that overstayed and didn't show up for their hearings or ignored their hearings and that the consequences of that is leaving our country.
00:17:54.000And so basically what happens is that then these final removal orders accrue over time.
00:18:00.000So then I guess the question is would the people who came through under Biden, are they actually harder to remove because they don't have final removal orders?
00:18:09.000Some of them are, but we're adding integrity back to our programs that Biden abused so much.
00:18:13.000You know, for instance, he granted asylum to millions of people.
00:18:29.000And so President Trump has made the decision to take away temporary protective status for many of these countries so that now that they can begin to be removed from our country, if they want to apply for asylum, if they truly believe that they think that they should have a right to access our asylum programs, then they can apply for that and they can go through that process and we'll see if they qualify under what the actual statute says, what the law says, not how Joe Biden interpreted it.
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00:21:05.000And the self-deportation is so important to this.
00:21:08.000And so the challenge for the cities, now going back to the contention, how are you dealing with, and I know you have private stuff you can't say, so feel free to navigate the question however you can.
00:21:18.000Well, and that's one thing, Charlie, I think people should know is because people do, the Department of Homeland Security, the position is a national security position.
00:21:26.000So a lot of what we have and what we do is difficult to talk about, but we'll be extremely transparent in everything that we can talk about just because it's important for the American people to understand that President Trump is doing what they asked him to do.
00:21:41.000How are you, in the capacity you can talk about it, navigating these mayors and the sanctuary cities where they are protecting foreign criminal nationals?
00:21:53.000These are neo-Confederates that are building their own states within the Union.
00:21:58.000Well, when they violate the law, that is up to the Department of Justice to do prosecutions.
00:22:02.000Our job is to go out there and enforce federal law, and we can do that in these cities.
00:22:07.000Just many times when our officers are out there conducting operations, if they are in a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state, they often have to do it without backup.
00:22:23.000If you talk to the officers that are on the ground, they want to be there and be supportive of these efforts.
00:22:28.000They recognize that we're going after people who have perpetuated violence in their neighborhoods.
00:22:32.000And they know that our ICE officers and HSI, and we're working in task forces, so we've got ATF and DEA guys out there helping us too.
00:22:40.000And in many states, you do have state law enforcement that are partnering with us.
00:22:44.000But you get into Illinois and you get into California or into New York City, it's extremely frustrating because you get into New York City, they're big talkers that they're going to be big partners with us, but then we go run an op.
00:22:57.000They're not going to be there to have our backs.
00:22:59.000They're not going to be there to secure the perimeter or at least make sure that that one or two block radius is going to be okay.
00:23:05.000But in New York, at least if you say there's an officer that needs help, they will respond.
00:23:11.000They will come and back us up if an officer gets in danger, but often that's too late.
00:23:16.000If you get to LA, that's questionable at times.
00:23:19.000I was out on an op with our LA agents one morning, and they were with us.
00:23:25.000I don't even know if I should talk about this.
00:24:07.000Very well known for where we have a terrorist organization.
00:24:10.000And the mayor showed up and tried to kick CBP out.
00:24:14.000And I love what Bovino did, our CBP officers said, we will go anywhere we want to go because we own the city and we're protecting it for the people who live here, not you.
00:24:23.000This is not a thing for you, I know, because this is, DOJ, we ought to start arresting these mayors.
00:24:27.000You cannot have these neo-Confederate little areas in the country.
00:24:33.000You can't have a country, again, I'm very careful saying that, but if you have repeated instances, I mean, what you're saying is that if there's an officer who's in a life-threatening situation and you want local police, sorry, pal, you're on your own.
00:24:46.000As if we're like, I don't know, from the consulate of Uruguay or something.
00:24:52.000Well, and we want the Department of Justice to win these cases and to be able to enforce the consequences.
00:24:57.000I think what Mayor Bass has just proposed as far as paying individuals who are illegal aliens to help them evade ICE law enforcement officers, I believe that would be prosecutable.
00:25:09.000So we've got to get you on stage here in about two and a half minutes.
00:25:12.000We've got to talk to the most important thing you've done, though.
00:25:19.000I'm sorry, but I'm telling you, I am, you will be the greatest DHS secretary in the history of, I think we should get rid of the TSA, abolish it, privatize it.
00:25:43.000It was so, I think the first day I had the job, I said to TSA, okay, tell me, like legit, we're just making this up on the shoes, right?
00:25:51.000I mean, do we really have to take off our shoes?
00:25:53.000I really want to know if you're just, why, if this actually adds anything to our security, if it actually keeps us safer in airplanes.
00:26:01.000Every single thing that we do at TSA, I've questioned.
00:26:04.000And when they came back and showed how we'd advanced in our technology and our multi-layered screening process and what we've done, clearly we didn't have to be taking off our shoes.
00:26:14.000So we've got a lot of reforms coming through TSA.
00:26:20.000I have a theory politically that President Trump's one of his legacy will be like, you used to wait 30 minutes at the airport, and now you wait only 90 seconds to get through the security line.
00:26:31.000Imagine the quality of life improvement.
00:26:35.000Well, so what's possible with what I'm working towards is what's possible at these airports is that you walk in the door with your carry-on bag, you just walk through a screener and keep going and go right to your plane.