00:00:51.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:57.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:52.000Well, that's the whole nature of the process and the way it's designed is men and women of goodwill come on the floor of the United States Congress and they engage in this process.
00:04:01.000So what I will tell you, and it's not just pie in the sky, this is going to work and it's going to be better for the American people.
00:04:08.000So what are, let's talk more broadly then.
00:04:11.000What are some of the issues that you think that you would like to see resolved?
00:04:18.000And I think, by the way, you know, you guys deserve credit for highlighting them, right?
00:04:22.000As far as rules committee steering committee, keeping CLF out of primaries, which was a big issue.
00:04:28.000Can just walk our audience through just some of the issues that you think are important to try to bring to completion or to try to get to a place where you would consider it reasonable victory.
00:04:43.000So there are several buckets, Charlie.
00:04:46.000It is about personnel, both in the top spot, process and rules and procedures about the way the body operates.
00:05:08.000And you can have a policy resolution issue that is, or excuse me, a personnel issue that goes beyond the speaker.
00:05:18.000And those are being addressed as well.
00:05:21.000And some of these things can compensate for one another.
00:05:23.000That's why it's a dynamic and difficult process.
00:05:26.000Is even if you've got sort of almost irreconcilable opinions over a person, you might be able to build in sufficient safeguards in order to work around that.
00:05:41.000And the notion that we're doing it, Democrats said on the floor when I earlier days, I nominated Byron Donalds in this round that, oh, they're ready to do the people's business.
00:05:50.000There's no more important business for the people to do than to stop the way this place produces the omnibus endless.
00:06:23.000Eric Swalwell tweeted, retweeted something that said that Miss incorrectly reported that I was going to leave Congress if I don't get my way.
00:07:00.000So I don't anticipate you to answer this, you know, clearly, which is, you know, is there a place where you're willing to accept a potential deal?
00:07:22.000There's not enough strong conservatives in Congress.
00:07:26.000But I guess what I'm getting at is, you know, the positions that have been communicated is I think there's more openness to try to strike a deal than might even be led on by some of this vote tally.
00:07:42.000The media is making it seem as if this is embarrassing and humiliating, which, by the way, I think the worst argument to suspend the negotiations is like, well, it looks terrible on TV.
00:07:51.000People don't remember anything that happens on TV.
00:07:53.000I think that's a really bad argument, honestly.
00:07:55.000What I do think is an argument to be worried about, though, Congressman, I'd love your thoughts on this, is the potential coalition government that could be formed.
00:08:03.000I do think that is a low likelihood, but that's not an impossibility.
00:08:20.000I did MSNBC this morning, Morning Joe, and Joe Scarborough, of all people, responded to Mika talking about chaos by saying, no, you're catastrophizing this.
00:08:30.000This is not a big deal in the sense that it's, you know, some sort of huge disruption.
00:08:37.000On the subject matter, tell me what the other part of your question was because I lost track of it.
00:08:42.000No, I mean, basically, what I was walking through is just a general kind of take on how the media is misrepresenting things and then coalition government.
00:08:52.000I mean, because that does seem to have some whispers.
00:09:39.000One of the guys who's the biggest critics of this is Mark Levin.
00:09:42.000I have great admiration for Mark Levin, but Mark Levin wants to have an Article 5 Constitutional Convention to change the Constitution.
00:09:50.000But he regards the risk of not immediately following the age-old system and carnating Kevin McCarthy as being a risk you can't possibly run.
00:10:04.000I don't even understand how that's rational to keep those two in mind at the same time.
00:10:08.000And I think to defend the great one, I believe that there is a posture that, quite honestly, I have at times, which is we barely won anything in the midterms.
00:10:18.000Why even introduce risk into the equation?
00:10:23.000And that's exactly the point, though, if I could, Charlie, is I think the reason we barely won the midterm is because people don't think there's much conviction operating in the world.
00:10:36.000Keep on fighting for your constituents.
00:10:37.000My last sign-off will be my encouragement is to stay open-minded.
00:10:41.000And if you get a deal that is, you know, almost too good to believe, I encourage you and your colleagues to pray about that and to be open-minded for it because some of the concessions that are being floated, at least in the leaks, seem to be rather compelling.
00:10:55.000Congressman Bishop, thank you so much.
00:13:07.000Like, let's talk about the real terrorism, which is which is basically the threats from party leadership to the rest of the country and the attitude that we don't care whether you support sending billions of your own taxpayers dollar, your own, your own tax dollars over to Ukraine, while there's a recession, whether it's an inflation.
00:13:29.000We don't care what you think about illegal immigration.
00:13:32.000We're going to say some nice things and not do anything about it.
00:13:36.000And by the way, how dare you not vote for us, right?
00:13:54.000And the threats when it comes to terrorism, they come from the worst in the party leadership when they get upset that how dare anyone hold them accountable or not let them go continue to do what they want.
00:14:06.000They still haven't learned the lessons of Trump.
00:14:08.000And only a minute left in this segment.
00:14:11.000You know, I was talking to somebody that was, let's just say, more moderate congressman, old friend that I used to be, and we're still cordial and it's fine.
00:14:33.000You're totally missing why this is happening.
00:14:36.000People are so betrayed for a second, have a little bit of magnanimity that these people have lost everything politically and they've had zero pressure release valve.
00:14:50.000Yeah, again, at the very least, you have to acknowledge why people are upset.
00:15:02.000And they don't listen to their voters and they're told and they're called the most awful things.
00:15:07.000And then they say, well, we just want to get back to business.
00:15:10.000I said, that's a great argument to continue this.
00:15:14.000Like, meaning, I mean, to continue the if the argument is, let's get back to business, that's that's not how you close the deal, right?
00:15:25.000And I, I, I do think that you should be open-minded here about concessions or things that can make things better.
00:15:31.000But it's like, I mean, Mike Gallagher goes there.
00:15:32.000He's like, you know, we got to get back to sending money to Zelensky.
00:15:35.000Like, yeah, man, that's a, you just, you lost me on that.
00:15:40.000So Matt, let me read you an email I got from a GOP donor who I'm not going to say the name, but he says, Charlie, I don't understand why people are so angry.
00:16:08.000So Matt, help be a translator to someone that would be kind of at the topper levels of incomer society that they're not even, they're not even like, how dare you?
00:17:30.000And so when you hear, you know, someone like, you know, Kevin McCarthy, you know, speak, he's not all bad at all, but it just does not seem to address the threat level when you live in a world in which the intelligence community is and the government itself is directly shaping discourse in the public square on Twitter and, you know, no doubt in many other media institutions.
00:17:55.000And so we're not at a place where we can wait anymore, where in the before times where there is a process and it's going to go somewhere, winning the house almost means nothing.
00:18:06.000I mean, you're just winning the house is just being able to throw a little bit of a wrench against this regime.
00:18:13.000But there are some things you could do, but what you would do depends upon how you see the scene and where your priorities are.
00:18:20.000And we don't see the acknowledgement of the situation this country is in at the top in a way that corresponds with the reality we're seeing.
00:18:33.000And so someone like McCarthy will talk about some issues we care about, right?
00:18:37.000Someone like McCarthy will talk about some of them, but not all of them and not in a way that convinces you that this is someone who understands this country is in deep, deep trouble and is falling apart and it's go time.
00:19:32.000And it assumes that I am the prudent man.
00:19:37.000The standard for prudence is the protection of the man.
00:19:39.000The learned man, though you are the learned man, so but I well, I well, you know, a little bit of learning goes, uh, gets you in trouble.
00:19:47.000Uh, so I think, look, I think that the answer to that question is really what's possible in this situation, what's the best possible outcome, uh, and uh, you know, what's realistically possible.
00:19:58.000And there, I mean, it strikes me that A, uh, protest is not necessarily imprudent.
00:20:03.000Throwing a wrench in the system is not imprudent in this situation.
00:20:06.000It's planting a flag, it's saying, Hey, we're not going to accept this, and it's getting a lot of people's attention.
00:20:15.000I do think at the end of the day, um, you know, it depends on what the best possible thing is.
00:20:22.000If that is a set of a set of concessions, um, you know, as some people are arguing, um, then great, go for it, you know, grab whatever, whatever you can.
00:20:34.000If there is some other candidate, uh, you know, that could possibly be the best scenario as well.
00:20:42.000But, you know, it depends on what the best possible is.
00:20:45.000So there has to be some kind of improvement, though, I would say, either in terms of concessions or another candidate other than McCarthy for this to work.
00:20:55.000And I think the way that the opposition, those who are opposed to it, what their argument would be is, well, you're not going to get something better.
00:21:02.000And, you know, this is all for nothing.
00:21:04.000But I don't see the protest as for nothing.
00:21:07.000I don't know, you know, I don't know if anyone knows the situation well enough to judge what the best possible thing is.
00:21:13.000But, you know, by all means, like, get every concession you can.
00:21:17.000This is a guy who has the Ukraine flag.
00:21:19.000You know, I mean, on his, I mean, get every get every concession you can and push as hard as you can.
00:21:25.000I don't think that there's any real answer, though, for an alternative candidate at this point.
00:21:29.000And I don't think anyone really knows where we're going with this.
00:21:47.000I mean, we're getting thousands of emails saying the bottom line is we want removal.
00:21:52.000And again, the spirit, the reason that so many people believe that is totally a reason I agree with is they've been so deceived, so betrayed.
00:22:02.000They're like, finally, we have a chance to take somebody out that is part of the community of what they call traitors.
00:22:26.000I don't think that his heart is in the wrong place on everything.
00:22:31.000But I do think that the brutal assessment of the audience is also my own, which is this is not who I would pick to be in charge right now when we are in the situation we're in.
00:22:44.000He has not demonstrated that he can understand internally, you know, what he would need to understand and do what he needs to do.
00:23:05.000And I don't have a problem with throwing the wrench in there either.
00:23:08.000I mean, I think this idea, I guess what I would push back at with some of the, and some of my friends too, who are, you know, sort of donors who are kind of puzzled by this is, I don't really know what you think you're going to get done anyway.
00:23:21.000The biggest thing you can get done is by obstructing them or investigating.
00:23:30.000So, if, look, there were no promises previously to a church committee, but a real, actionable promise to have Matt Gates, Jim Jordan, investigate the FBI.
00:24:23.000And when it comes to what Congress can do, the biggest thing they can do is shine a light on and actually investigate, spend some money, hire some lawyers, actually investigate the deep state.
00:25:18.000But when I start hearing about, hey, Gates and Jordan and MTG and Boebert that are going to get a green light to send the attack dogs after probably 30 years of the FBI messing with our domestic politics, that's just one of several, not to mention the vaccine stuff and the war on parents.
00:25:39.000And so I hope our audience just is managing their expectations.
00:25:45.000The biggest wins are on the investigations and then hopefully saying no to like $3 trillion going to LGBTQ centers in Kiev or something.
00:26:17.000And so we want to push that to the max.
00:26:20.000But as you just said, Charlie, manage the expectations and realize the protest is here, but this whole squabble is not going to not solve things.
00:26:29.000We just want to push them as far as we can.
00:26:44.000And I'm not saying we should employ Alinsky, but maybe I'm saying we should employ Alinsky because the guy put some points on the board, you know, and has put some points on the board.
00:26:57.000Not a huge, you know, admirer of books dedicated to Lucifer, but he, it's at some point, the House Freedom Caucus that is doing this, they are playing an Alinsky game.
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00:28:49.000This is Matt Gates' framing play cut 40.
00:28:54.000And I think this ends one of two ways, Trace.
00:28:56.000Either Kevin bows out, realizing there's no path for him to become Speaker of the House, or he essentially has to wake up, bring the House into session, and put on a straitjacket with a rules package that we've presented to him that doesn't allow a lot of discretion for the Speaker of the House.
00:29:12.000The reason we've demanded that is that we do not trust Kevin McCarthy.
00:29:16.000So Matt Gates is saying, look, there's only one of two ways that this goes.
00:29:20.000Basically, you resign and bow out, or the speaker basically becomes a ceremonial position.
00:29:27.000That is essentially what Matt Gaetz is saying.
00:29:29.000He's like, okay, Kevin, you could become Speaker, but you're basically just then going to be proxied by the Freedom Caucus.
00:29:37.000Now, there is another thing that you got to understand is let's say that the Freedom Caucus comes to terms and 16 of the 20 end up voting for Kevin McCarthy and Kevin McCarthy become Speaker of the House.
00:29:50.000Don't be shocked at the revenge of the moderates, where the moderates try to go and have revenge against the Freedom Caucus and go find bills to go vote in conjunction and in harmony with a lot of Democrats.
00:30:04.000The moderates are getting very, very angry over this.
00:30:10.000But you need to understand that they have power, they have influence, they have a lot of money, and the moderates are going to strike back in a lot of different ways.
00:30:21.000Right now, moderates are also in Kevin's ear, just so you understand the dynamics here, saying, Kevin, don't give into these Freedom Caucus people.
00:32:47.000There's another conversation that is probably going to be more immediate of McCarthy's team that is going to say in negotiations where they're saying, you know what?
00:33:00.000I'm going to go find 20 Democrats and we're going to get this done without you.
00:33:04.000That would not speak well of McCarthy, obviously, but that would be a tragic development if there are concessions on the table to have a Republican house, not a Republican Democrat house.
00:33:18.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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