The Charlie Kirk Show - January 06, 2023


If Not McCarthy, Who? with Rep. Dan Bishop and Matt Peterson


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Rep. Dan Bishop (R-VA) joins us to join us to talk about his thoughts on the McCarthy vs. Ryan debate, and whether or not he s a yes or no vote on the speaker race.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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00:01:21.000 Appears to be no movement in the speaker's race.
00:01:24.000 Same result.
00:01:25.000 However, I'm told that negotiations are ongoing.
00:01:28.000 In fact, I just received a text message from somebody that is very tied in, one of the 20.
00:01:34.000 And they said, we have got some massive wins if we can actually get them done because trust is an issue.
00:01:40.000 Congressional Leadership Fund will no longer play in primaries.
00:01:43.000 Let me see here.
00:01:44.000 Reducing the amount of members needed to vacate the chair.
00:01:48.000 Committed to bringing up a term limits bill.
00:01:50.000 No more omnibus bills, individual votes on each appropriations bill, and more.
00:01:55.000 Joining us now is Congressman Dan Bishop, who is one of the 20 no's.
00:02:00.000 And we want to get his perspective on how things are going.
00:02:02.000 Congressman Bishop, thank you for joining the program.
00:02:05.000 You're currently a no.
00:02:07.000 Walk us through your perspective.
00:02:08.000 And is there any movement?
00:02:10.000 Is there anything you're hearing that might put you in the direction to support Kevin McCarthy?
00:02:16.000 I am a no.
00:02:17.000 I'm a yes for others to this point.
00:02:19.000 And we're having very important things that are going on.
00:02:24.000 It's at a very sensitive moment right now.
00:02:27.000 So I would probably hesitate to characterize every detail as it emerges.
00:02:32.000 I don't think that's helpful through the process.
00:02:35.000 But, you know, this isn't the option.
00:02:38.000 A lot of people sort of wringing hands about this, Charlie.
00:02:41.000 We've had three days.
00:02:42.000 The world doesn't end over three days.
00:02:45.000 And we've had some extraordinarily important tasks done and then processed for the American people and the way this place is governed.
00:02:54.000 Fixing broken Washington is what the story is.
00:02:58.000 No, I hear that completely.
00:03:00.000 And so there's 20, let me rephrase it.
00:03:03.000 Instead of saying no's, I think that's a fair piece of feedback.
00:03:06.000 There's 20 people that are not supporting Kevin McCarthy currently.
00:03:10.000 Can you at least read us into, are there some conversations happening in good spirit and momentum?
00:03:18.000 Because this latest vote doesn't seem as if that has yet materialized in any movement.
00:03:24.000 Right.
00:03:25.000 And I will, again, it's really important not to get ahead or behind of the exact spot things are.
00:03:32.000 But work has been going on off the floor since last June.
00:03:37.000 And all sorts of progress has been made.
00:03:40.000 So that spirit continues.
00:03:42.000 And I'm confident that it's going to bear fruit.
00:03:47.000 As I've said, this is a dynamic process.
00:03:49.000 People always say, well, how's it going to end?
00:03:51.000 Who's it going to be?
00:03:52.000 Well, that's the whole nature of the process and the way it's designed is men and women of goodwill come on the floor of the United States Congress and they engage in this process.
00:04:01.000 So what I will tell you, and it's not just pie in the sky, this is going to work and it's going to be better for the American people.
00:04:08.000 So what are, let's talk more broadly then.
00:04:11.000 What are some of the issues that you think that you would like to see resolved?
00:04:17.000 We've talked about on this.
00:04:18.000 And I think, by the way, you know, you guys deserve credit for highlighting them, right?
00:04:22.000 As far as rules committee steering committee, keeping CLF out of primaries, which was a big issue.
00:04:28.000 Can just walk our audience through just some of the issues that you think are important to try to bring to completion or to try to get to a place where you would consider it reasonable victory.
00:04:43.000 So there are several buckets, Charlie.
00:04:46.000 It is about personnel, both in the top spot, process and rules and procedures about the way the body operates.
00:04:57.000 And finally, legislative policy commitments.
00:05:01.000 Limited, but extraordinarily important.
00:05:06.000 Each one has to be resolved.
00:05:08.000 And you can have a policy resolution issue that is, or excuse me, a personnel issue that goes beyond the speaker.
00:05:18.000 And those are being addressed as well.
00:05:21.000 And some of these things can compensate for one another.
00:05:23.000 That's why it's a dynamic and difficult process.
00:05:26.000 Is even if you've got sort of almost irreconcilable opinions over a person, you might be able to build in sufficient safeguards in order to work around that.
00:05:36.000 So that's the work that's going on.
00:05:38.000 It's not easy.
00:05:39.000 It's not unimportant, though.
00:05:41.000 And the notion that we're doing it, Democrats said on the floor when I earlier days, I nominated Byron Donalds in this round that, oh, they're ready to do the people's business.
00:05:50.000 There's no more important business for the people to do than to stop the way this place produces the omnibus endless.
00:05:57.000 Yeah, I think omnibus is a sloppy.
00:06:00.000 I do.
00:06:00.000 And I think that, you know, for example, Crenshaw calling you guys terrorists is just so beyond reckless and irresponsible.
00:06:07.000 It's nauseating, actually, and really unhelpful.
00:06:11.000 It's part of old Washington.
00:06:12.000 It's part of the pre-change Washington.
00:06:14.000 As I just said in my speech also, that someone called Byron Donalds a prop last night.
00:06:19.000 You know, that's an old racist trope.
00:06:23.000 Eric Swalwell tweeted, retweeted something that said that Miss incorrectly reported that I was going to leave Congress if I don't get my way.
00:06:31.000 Never said it.
00:06:32.000 It's been corrected.
00:06:33.000 It has been corrected, but he quote tweets and sends it out because people deal in lies up here.
00:06:38.000 That's old Washington.
00:06:39.000 We have to work always on bringing Washington to a new place.
00:06:46.000 And I think that is definitely an admirable task and not easy in any way, shape, or form.
00:06:53.000 But I think there is a tension, which is, will there be a place?
00:06:59.000 And again, this is hypothetical.
00:07:00.000 So I don't anticipate you to answer this, you know, clearly, which is, you know, is there a place where you're willing to accept a potential deal?
00:07:10.000 And again, it's hypothetical, right?
00:07:11.000 Because you don't know what that deal is or what it looks like.
00:07:14.000 And because there was this news article that said, okay, if Kevin McCarthy becomes speaker, you're going to resign, which is just insane.
00:07:20.000 By the way, we're glad you're staying in Congress.
00:07:21.000 We need you.
00:07:22.000 There's not enough strong conservatives in Congress.
00:07:26.000 But I guess what I'm getting at is, you know, the positions that have been communicated is I think there's more openness to try to strike a deal than might even be led on by some of this vote tally.
00:07:42.000 The media is making it seem as if this is embarrassing and humiliating, which, by the way, I think the worst argument to suspend the negotiations is like, well, it looks terrible on TV.
00:07:51.000 People don't remember anything that happens on TV.
00:07:53.000 I think that's a really bad argument, honestly.
00:07:55.000 What I do think is an argument to be worried about, though, Congressman, I'd love your thoughts on this, is the potential coalition government that could be formed.
00:08:03.000 I do think that is a low likelihood, but that's not an impossibility.
00:08:07.000 What are your thoughts?
00:08:10.000 I would two things, Charlie.
00:08:12.000 One is, you know, the media, you just made reference to reporting and just chaos and everything.
00:08:17.000 And you never know where you're going to get hits.
00:08:19.000 Here's something unexpected.
00:08:20.000 I did MSNBC this morning, Morning Joe, and Joe Scarborough, of all people, responded to Mika talking about chaos by saying, no, you're catastrophizing this.
00:08:30.000 This is not a big deal in the sense that it's, you know, some sort of huge disruption.
00:08:34.000 And he's right.
00:08:37.000 On the subject matter, tell me what the other part of your question was because I lost track of it.
00:08:42.000 No, I mean, basically, what I was walking through is just a general kind of take on how the media is misrepresenting things and then coalition government.
00:08:52.000 I mean, because that does seem to have some whispers.
00:08:56.000 Risks.
00:08:56.000 Yeah.
00:08:56.000 And I think that Chip Roy told me that is a risk.
00:08:59.000 It's a low risk, but walk us through that.
00:09:04.000 Yep.
00:09:04.000 And one of the it is necessarily true that one of the offshoots of processes like this is that you face some risks.
00:09:13.000 They must be managed.
00:09:14.000 They must be responded to in a rational fashion.
00:09:18.000 And at the end of the day, people are all judging who's unreasonable and so forth.
00:09:22.000 All these things are part of the process of reaching agreement.
00:09:26.000 And yes, they are of concern.
00:09:29.000 But what you're talking about, in my view, a risk-benefit payoff.
00:09:35.000 We cannot afford in this country just to leave.
00:09:37.000 It's interesting to me, Charlie.
00:09:39.000 One of the guys who's the biggest critics of this is Mark Levin.
00:09:42.000 I have great admiration for Mark Levin, but Mark Levin wants to have an Article 5 Constitutional Convention to change the Constitution.
00:09:50.000 But he regards the risk of not immediately following the age-old system and carnating Kevin McCarthy as being a risk you can't possibly run.
00:10:04.000 I don't even understand how that's rational to keep those two in mind at the same time.
00:10:08.000 And I think to defend the great one, I believe that there is a posture that, quite honestly, I have at times, which is we barely won anything in the midterms.
00:10:18.000 Why even introduce risk into the equation?
00:10:23.000 And that's exactly the point, though, if I could, Charlie, is I think the reason we barely won the midterm is because people don't think there's much conviction operating in the world.
00:10:32.000 Yeah, that's probably true.
00:10:33.000 They'd like to see some.
00:10:34.000 That's probably like the C-Sun.
00:10:36.000 Keep on fighting for your constituents.
00:10:37.000 My last sign-off will be my encouragement is to stay open-minded.
00:10:41.000 And if you get a deal that is, you know, almost too good to believe, I encourage you and your colleagues to pray about that and to be open-minded for it because some of the concessions that are being floated, at least in the leaks, seem to be rather compelling.
00:10:55.000 Congressman Bishop, thank you so much.
00:10:57.000 I appreciate it.
00:10:58.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:10:59.000 Thanks.
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00:12:01.000 Okay, we have Matthew Peterson here, Matt Peterson from American Firebrand.
00:12:05.000 Matt, how are you doing?
00:12:07.000 What do you make of what is happening in the House of Representatives?
00:12:11.000 Well, thanks for having me, Charlie.
00:12:13.000 You know, good times is all I can say.
00:12:16.000 I'm over being angry.
00:12:18.000 I'm over, you know, I mean, all these emotions are good, I guess, in their way if they're tied to virtue, right?
00:12:25.000 Anger isn't a sin, they tell me, Charlie.
00:12:27.000 But at the same time, I'm over it because I think this is great.
00:12:32.000 Any kind of disruption is great.
00:12:34.000 And the more wrenches you throw in the system, the better.
00:12:37.000 And I'm through taking the House of Representatives very seriously in the first place.
00:12:42.000 No one's coming to save you.
00:12:44.000 And any disruption is good.
00:12:45.000 And the more we rip off the veils and the band-aids, the better, in my opinion.
00:12:49.000 And then we have, and then half the country and the 20 people that are doing this are then called terrorists and insurrectionists.
00:12:58.000 I mean, can it be a little bit more nakedly obvious about what the agenda is here?
00:13:04.000 Oh, yeah.
00:13:05.000 And let's look at the terrorism.
00:13:07.000 Like, let's talk about the real terrorism, which is which is basically the threats from party leadership to the rest of the country and the attitude that we don't care whether you support sending billions of your own taxpayers dollar, your own, your own tax dollars over to Ukraine, while there's a recession, whether it's an inflation.
00:13:29.000 We don't care what you think about illegal immigration.
00:13:32.000 We're going to say some nice things and not do anything about it.
00:13:36.000 And by the way, how dare you not vote for us, right?
00:13:39.000 And in McCarthy's case, I get it.
00:13:41.000 He's not a complete, you know, he's not a complete squish on everything. 0.97
00:13:45.000 He's not quite Mitt Romney.
00:13:48.000 I don't say that about him.
00:13:49.000 But the problem is this isn't getting done.
00:13:52.000 It's not getting done.
00:13:54.000 And the threats when it comes to terrorism, they come from the worst in the party leadership when they get upset that how dare anyone hold them accountable or not let them go continue to do what they want.
00:14:06.000 They still haven't learned the lessons of Trump.
00:14:08.000 And only a minute left in this segment.
00:14:10.000 We'll go through this in the next.
00:14:11.000 You know, I was talking to somebody that was, let's just say, more moderate congressman, old friend that I used to be, and we're still cordial and it's fine.
00:14:20.000 He knows where I stand.
00:14:21.000 And he was getting really angry at me and saying, why am I not calling these people out more?
00:14:27.000 I said, hold on, calm down, because I think I've actually had a pretty nuanced view on some of this stuff.
00:14:32.000 But I said, hold on.
00:14:33.000 You're totally missing why this is happening.
00:14:36.000 People are so betrayed for a second, have a little bit of magnanimity that these people have lost everything politically and they've had zero pressure release valve.
00:14:50.000 Yeah, again, at the very least, you have to acknowledge why people are upset.
00:14:55.000 That's not upset for good reason.
00:14:57.000 They're upset because they're not being represented well.
00:15:00.000 It's as simple as that.
00:15:02.000 And they don't listen to their voters and they're told and they're called the most awful things.
00:15:07.000 And then they say, well, we just want to get back to business.
00:15:10.000 I said, that's a great argument to continue this.
00:15:14.000 Like, meaning, I mean, to continue the if the argument is, let's get back to business, that's that's not how you close the deal, right?
00:15:25.000 And I, I, I do think that you should be open-minded here about concessions or things that can make things better.
00:15:31.000 But it's like, I mean, Mike Gallagher goes there.
00:15:32.000 He's like, you know, we got to get back to sending money to Zelensky.
00:15:35.000 Like, yeah, man, that's a, you just, you lost me on that.
00:15:40.000 So Matt, let me read you an email I got from a GOP donor who I'm not going to say the name, but he says, Charlie, I don't understand why people are so angry.
00:15:53.000 We finally have the House.
00:15:55.000 Help me understand, because you represent the conservative base, why people feel the need to try to get concessions.
00:16:03.000 Why don't they just back McCarthy?
00:16:05.000 I don't understand the anger.
00:16:08.000 So Matt, help be a translator to someone that would be kind of at the topper levels of incomer society that they're not even, they're not even like, how dare you? 0.95
00:16:18.000 They're just confused.
00:16:20.000 Yeah.
00:16:21.000 I actually am confused how someone couldn't understand how people could be raging mad right now.
00:16:25.000 Matt, your thoughts?
00:16:27.000 Well, I mean, I really think you have to go back and understand that the election of Donald Trump was a rejection of party leadership.
00:16:35.000 And, you know, I would first ask if they understood why that was so.
00:16:41.000 And I think the same reasons apply now years later, simply because the party hasn't caught up to what voters wanted.
00:16:49.000 And look, take immigration, for example.
00:16:51.000 This is a great issue because you see a lot of people talk a good game on it, but not all the people actually act on it.
00:16:56.000 You got 20 years of the base.
00:16:58.000 You got more than that, of the base going, what's going on here?
00:17:01.000 Of people going, this is terrible.
00:17:03.000 And no one caring in Washington, D.C. At the end of the day, the same thing's happening over and over again.
00:17:08.000 Take something that I'm sure that our friend holds dear, which is power of the purse in the house and the budgets, right?
00:17:17.000 You know, you don't see anything changing.
00:17:19.000 You see things moving in the same direction over time, and no one seems to get ahead of how bad things are and acknowledge it publicly.
00:17:27.000 And the people are over it.
00:17:29.000 They know how bad things are.
00:17:30.000 And so when you hear, you know, someone like, you know, Kevin McCarthy, you know, speak, he's not all bad at all, but it just does not seem to address the threat level when you live in a world in which the intelligence community is and the government itself is directly shaping discourse in the public square on Twitter and, you know, no doubt in many other media institutions.
00:17:55.000 And so we're not at a place where we can wait anymore, where in the before times where there is a process and it's going to go somewhere, winning the house almost means nothing.
00:18:06.000 I mean, you're just winning the house is just being able to throw a little bit of a wrench against this regime.
00:18:13.000 But there are some things you could do, but what you would do depends upon how you see the scene and where your priorities are.
00:18:20.000 And we don't see the acknowledgement of the situation this country is in at the top in a way that corresponds with the reality we're seeing.
00:18:33.000 And so someone like McCarthy will talk about some issues we care about, right?
00:18:37.000 Someone like McCarthy will talk about some of them, but not all of them and not in a way that convinces you that this is someone who understands this country is in deep, deep trouble and is falling apart and it's go time.
00:18:51.000 Structural issues too.
00:18:53.000 So let me ask you, Matt, you know, we spent a week together and I learned a lot from you and from Claremont and we read some great books.
00:19:00.000 And a theme that we explored was this idea of prudence and that we could do a whole hour on that.
00:19:08.000 And so what is the prudent thing to do in this situation?
00:19:11.000 Knowing that there's probably 100 votes that will only go for Kevin or a moderate, knowing that there's 20 that will not be reconciled.
00:19:20.000 What do the classics have to teach us for this moment of pressure?
00:19:25.000 And how do we use prudence to try to go about protecting what is good, true, and beautiful?
00:19:30.000 Yeah, it's a great question.
00:19:32.000 And it assumes that I am the prudent man.
00:19:37.000 The standard for prudence is the protection of the man.
00:19:39.000 The learned man, though you are the learned man, so but I well, I well, you know, a little bit of learning goes, uh, gets you in trouble.
00:19:47.000 Uh, so I think, look, I think that the answer to that question is really what's possible in this situation, what's the best possible outcome, uh, and uh, you know, what's realistically possible.
00:19:58.000 And there, I mean, it strikes me that A, uh, protest is not necessarily imprudent.
00:20:03.000 Throwing a wrench in the system is not imprudent in this situation.
00:20:06.000 It's planting a flag, it's saying, Hey, we're not going to accept this, and it's getting a lot of people's attention.
00:20:12.000 And that's good.
00:20:13.000 I'm all for it.
00:20:15.000 I do think at the end of the day, um, you know, it depends on what the best possible thing is.
00:20:22.000 If that is a set of a set of concessions, um, you know, as some people are arguing, um, then great, go for it, you know, grab whatever, whatever you can.
00:20:34.000 If there is some other candidate, uh, you know, that could possibly be the best scenario as well.
00:20:42.000 But, you know, it depends on what the best possible is.
00:20:45.000 So there has to be some kind of improvement, though, I would say, either in terms of concessions or another candidate other than McCarthy for this to work.
00:20:55.000 And I think the way that the opposition, those who are opposed to it, what their argument would be is, well, you're not going to get something better.
00:21:02.000 And, you know, this is all for nothing.
00:21:04.000 But I don't see the protest as for nothing.
00:21:07.000 I don't know, you know, I don't know if anyone knows the situation well enough to judge what the best possible thing is.
00:21:13.000 But, you know, by all means, like, get every concession you can.
00:21:17.000 This is a guy who has the Ukraine flag.
00:21:19.000 You know, I mean, on his, I mean, get every get every concession you can and push as hard as you can.
00:21:25.000 I don't think that there's any real answer, though, for an alternative candidate at this point.
00:21:29.000 And I don't think anyone really knows where we're going with this.
00:21:32.000 Yeah.
00:21:32.000 And so that's that's the trick, right?
00:21:34.000 Which is to go about this with prudence or with wisdom, you have to know what you want.
00:21:40.000 And the consensus from our audience is we want Kevin McCarthy gone.
00:21:46.000 And I hear that.
00:21:47.000 I see it.
00:21:47.000 I mean, we're getting thousands of emails saying the bottom line is we want removal.
00:21:52.000 And again, the spirit, the reason that so many people believe that is totally a reason I agree with is they've been so deceived, so betrayed.
00:22:02.000 They're like, finally, we have a chance to take somebody out that is part of the community of what they call traitors.
00:22:10.000 Your thoughts?
00:22:12.000 Yeah, look, I totally feel that.
00:22:14.000 I think that's right.
00:22:15.000 And I will make, I think there's a big difference between McConnell, by the way, and McCarthy.
00:22:20.000 I think that's exactly right.
00:22:21.000 You have to be fair on that.
00:22:22.000 They're not the same.
00:22:24.000 We do have to be fair.
00:22:26.000 I don't think that his heart is in the wrong place on everything.
00:22:31.000 But I do think that the brutal assessment of the audience is also my own, which is this is not who I would pick to be in charge right now when we are in the situation we're in.
00:22:44.000 He has not demonstrated that he can understand internally, you know, what he would need to understand and do what he needs to do.
00:22:53.000 That is my opinion as well.
00:22:55.000 And again, I don't think he's all bad or pure swamp creature, but it's just too much old DC.
00:23:02.000 It's too much not understanding.
00:23:03.000 So look, I get it.
00:23:05.000 And I don't have a problem with throwing the wrench in there either.
00:23:08.000 I mean, I think this idea, I guess what I would push back at with some of the, and some of my friends too, who are, you know, sort of donors who are kind of puzzled by this is, I don't really know what you think you're going to get done anyway.
00:23:21.000 The biggest thing you can get done is by obstructing them or investigating.
00:23:25.000 That's a legitimate thing, right?
00:23:27.000 The church committee has to happen.
00:23:29.000 Yeah.
00:23:30.000 So, if, look, there were no promises previously to a church committee, but a real, actionable promise to have Matt Gates, Jim Jordan, investigate the FBI.
00:23:44.000 Yeah.
00:23:45.000 Man, I'll be honest, that would have been a pipe dream six months ago.
00:23:49.000 Yes.
00:23:51.000 No, don't you think that's that?
00:23:53.000 I'm excited about the same thing.
00:23:55.000 I really think that, look, if we're at the point now where, and what's funny about this is I've been saying this for a while.
00:24:01.000 All my friends in DC, everyone there is like, oh, it's impossible to get rid of McConnell's, impossible to get rid of McCarthy.
00:24:06.000 I was like, just you watch.
00:24:07.000 You're not in normal times.
00:24:08.000 And people, but all of a sudden, people will go, no, I'm done.
00:24:12.000 And it's funny because now I'm looking at it like, I don't know who else they're going to put in, though, but they've done this.
00:24:20.000 That movement is important.
00:24:21.000 The Overton window has shifted.
00:24:23.000 And when it comes to what Congress can do, the biggest thing they can do is shine a light on and actually investigate, spend some money, hire some lawyers, actually investigate the deep state.
00:24:34.000 So if that comes out of this, great.
00:24:36.000 Like, I think, you know, squeeze the max you can.
00:24:39.000 And at the end of the day, you know, it's a good move.
00:24:43.000 I don't know what the maximum is.
00:24:47.000 I really don't know what's possible.
00:24:48.000 I don't think anyone does.
00:24:49.000 And I, yeah, it's you're in unknown territory, uncharted territory, because there is a threat of a coalition government.
00:24:56.000 And it's a risk, but I've now had three no's or three non-McCarthy voters all come on the program and they're like, look, this is a risk.
00:25:04.000 There are conversations.
00:25:05.000 There are people in the Democrats that are trying to broker a coalition deal.
00:25:10.000 And we have to continue to go on our path knowing that that's a risk.
00:25:13.000 And their argument is nothing good in life comes without risk.
00:25:15.000 That is correct.
00:25:16.000 That is true.
00:25:18.000 But when I start hearing about, hey, Gates and Jordan and MTG and Boebert that are going to get a green light to send the attack dogs after probably 30 years of the FBI messing with our domestic politics, that's just one of several, not to mention the vaccine stuff and the war on parents.
00:25:39.000 And so I hope our audience just is managing their expectations.
00:25:45.000 The biggest wins are on the investigations and then hopefully saying no to like $3 trillion going to LGBTQ centers in Kiev or something. 0.91
00:25:57.000 Final thoughts, Matt?
00:25:58.000 Yeah, I think that's right.
00:25:59.000 I mean, I think, look, the big picture here is these people are not ultimately going to save you.
00:26:05.000 Look at them on C-SPAN.
00:26:06.000 I'm sorry.
00:26:07.000 I like many of them, but they're not going to save you.
00:26:10.000 The big picture is the best the House can do is obstruct and investigate and shine a light.
00:26:16.000 That's right.
00:26:16.000 And that's it.
00:26:17.000 And so we want to push that to the max.
00:26:20.000 But as you just said, Charlie, manage the expectations and realize the protest is here, but this whole squabble is not going to not solve things.
00:26:29.000 We just want to push them as far as we can.
00:26:31.000 Yeah.
00:26:32.000 And protest must lead to something or else it fizzles out, right?
00:26:36.000 So what it saw Alinsky say, a tactic that goes on too long becomes a drag.
00:26:43.000 Yeah.
00:26:44.000 And I'm not saying we should employ Alinsky, but maybe I'm saying we should employ Alinsky because the guy put some points on the board, you know, and has put some points on the board.
00:26:57.000 Not a huge, you know, admirer of books dedicated to Lucifer, but he, it's at some point, the House Freedom Caucus that is doing this, they are playing an Alinsky game.
00:27:08.000 Do a tactic that your people enjoy.
00:27:10.000 Matt Gates is having the time of his life.
00:27:12.000 Okay.
00:27:12.000 But when it becomes a drag, it starts to go against you.
00:27:16.000 Matt, thank you so much.
00:27:17.000 Tell our audience 30 seconds about how people can support you and the projects you're working on.
00:27:21.000 Oh, go to AmericanFirebrand.com, go to newfounding.com.
00:27:25.000 And, you know, we're putting it together, both on the political side, holding people's feet to the fire, and also uniting people throughout the world of business to create things that aren't woke.
00:27:39.000 Thank you.
00:27:40.000 Very supportive.
00:27:40.000 Matt, come back anytime.
00:27:42.000 Thank you so much.
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00:28:48.000 Let's go to Cut 40. 0.92
00:28:49.000 This is Matt Gates' framing play cut 40.
00:28:54.000 And I think this ends one of two ways, Trace.
00:28:56.000 Either Kevin bows out, realizing there's no path for him to become Speaker of the House, or he essentially has to wake up, bring the House into session, and put on a straitjacket with a rules package that we've presented to him that doesn't allow a lot of discretion for the Speaker of the House.
00:29:12.000 The reason we've demanded that is that we do not trust Kevin McCarthy.
00:29:16.000 So Matt Gates is saying, look, there's only one of two ways that this goes.
00:29:20.000 Basically, you resign and bow out, or the speaker basically becomes a ceremonial position.
00:29:27.000 That is essentially what Matt Gaetz is saying.
00:29:29.000 He's like, okay, Kevin, you could become Speaker, but you're basically just then going to be proxied by the Freedom Caucus.
00:29:37.000 Now, there is another thing that you got to understand is let's say that the Freedom Caucus comes to terms and 16 of the 20 end up voting for Kevin McCarthy and Kevin McCarthy become Speaker of the House.
00:29:50.000 Don't be shocked at the revenge of the moderates, where the moderates try to go and have revenge against the Freedom Caucus and go find bills to go vote in conjunction and in harmony with a lot of Democrats.
00:30:04.000 The moderates are getting very, very angry over this.
00:30:07.000 And honestly, I don't really care.
00:30:10.000 But you need to understand that they have power, they have influence, they have a lot of money, and the moderates are going to strike back in a lot of different ways.
00:30:20.000 They're going to strike.
00:30:21.000 Right now, moderates are also in Kevin's ear, just so you understand the dynamics here, saying, Kevin, don't give into these Freedom Caucus people.
00:30:30.000 Go caucus with Democrats.
00:30:31.000 And there's a lot more moderates than there are conservatives.
00:30:34.000 I don't like that, and you don't like that.
00:30:37.000 There are 20 moderates that are in Kevin's ear saying, don't give in to Gates.
00:30:42.000 Don't give in to Bobert.
00:30:44.000 Don't give in to Bishop.
00:30:45.000 Don't give in to Norman.
00:30:46.000 Don't give in to Crane.
00:30:47.000 Don't give into Luna.
00:30:48.000 Don't give into Rosendale. 1.00
00:30:50.000 They're terrorists. 0.99
00:30:51.000 Go and find 10 Democrats. 0.91
00:30:53.000 I'll help you with this and get this deal done.
00:30:59.000 And so Kevin is saying, no, I want to get this done with Republicans, not Democrats.
00:31:07.000 Now, there's two ways to read that.
00:31:08.000 You could read that as he's actually philosophically Republican or conservative.
00:31:12.000 I don't think you're going to be very persuaded by that based on your emails.
00:31:15.000 Or he just doesn't want to be known as the speaker that had to go get Democrats to go get elected.
00:31:22.000 Now, if I'm not mistaken, Paul Ryan, boy, I don't want to speak out of turn here.
00:31:26.000 I think either Paul Ryan or John Boehner went to go get Democrats at some point.
00:31:30.000 But I'll have to go back in the historical records or I don't want to speak out of turn.
00:31:33.000 Matt Gates nominated Donald Trump to become Speaker of the House, play cut 50.
00:31:39.000 Gates.
00:31:41.000 Donald John Trump.
00:31:44.000 Trump.
00:31:50.000 The murmurs are just worth the price of admission, aren't they?
00:31:54.000 And MTVG just looks at him.
00:31:55.000 Okay, so Hakeem, did Hakeem Jeffries change his suit?
00:31:58.000 I think so.
00:31:59.000 He was wearing something else earlier.
00:32:01.000 I mean, this is just exhausting at this point.
00:32:03.000 These Democrats, how many times can you stand up and nominate the same person?
00:32:07.000 I mean, this is actually pretty good for Hakeem Jeffries' national profile.
00:32:11.000 I think that is also part of what the Democrats are thinking here.
00:32:14.000 Look at all the free time.
00:32:15.000 Andy Biggs, I'm guessing, is going to be nominating Byron Donald's right now, if I'm not mistaken.
00:32:21.000 And it's Congressman Andy Biggs from the East Valley of Arizona.
00:32:26.000 And so we shall see.
00:32:29.000 And we don't have time to cut to that, but we can do that in the break.
00:32:32.000 I'm curious to see who he's going to be nominating and what his remarks are.
00:32:36.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:40.000 And so there are right now moderates, forget the coalition government.
00:32:45.000 That's part of the conversation.
00:32:47.000 There's another conversation that is probably going to be more immediate of McCarthy's team that is going to say in negotiations where they're saying, you know what?
00:33:00.000 I'm going to go find 20 Democrats and we're going to get this done without you.
00:33:04.000 That would not speak well of McCarthy, obviously, but that would be a tragic development if there are concessions on the table to have a Republican house, not a Republican Democrat house.
00:33:18.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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