The Charlie Kirk Show - If Parents Won't Stop Perverts, Who Will? with Riley Gaines and Pedro Gonzalez

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00:01:08.000 Pedro Gonzalez was just on the ground in East Palestine, Ohio, and he has a lot to share with us about what he learned and what this means for our political environment and more.

00:01:19.000 Pedro, welcome back to the program.

00:01:21.000 Charlie, always good to be here.

00:01:23.000 Thank you.

00:01:23.000 Pedro, what did you learn visiting East Palestine, Ohio?

00:01:27.000 I went to East Palestine with a lot of questions that I hoped to get answered, and I left actually with just more questions because that's the reality on the ground for people who live there.

00:01:37.000 East Palestine is a village of about 5,000 people, and they are essentially in the dark about what's happening literally in their own backyard.

00:01:48.000 They do not trust the conflicting reports that are coming out of various environmental and health agencies precisely because they are conflicting.

00:01:57.000 It seems like there is always a statement that is contradicted within a day or so.

00:02:03.000 And they obviously have no faith in the railroad company, Norfolk Southern, and actually doing a good job overseeing its own and the cleanup of its own mess.

00:02:15.000 That is where pretty much all of the anger is directed right now.

00:02:18.000 There's also a lot of frustration with Governor Mike Dewine, especially because DeWine was really proactive, as we know with COVID.

00:02:27.000 You know, he locked people in their homes and he was very, very aggressive when it came to COVID.

00:02:32.000 But on this, DeWine has been noticeably kind of AWOL, you know, or at least his approach to handling this really severe crisis for a small town that's been economically depressed for a long time is really, really different to his approach to COVID in a bad way.

00:02:50.000 I mean, and again, this is a quintessential Middle American small town.

00:02:54.000 I spoke to a family that has lived there their entire lives.

00:02:58.000 They met in high school, actually.

00:03:00.000 And the only time that the husband had left this town was to serve in the military.

00:03:05.000 They both work at a factory at a ceramics factory with kilns that are over 100 years old.

00:03:11.000 And they live there because it's home, not because obviously it's a thriving and prosperous town, but because East Palestine is home to these people.

00:03:21.000 And right now they feel abandoned and isolated.

00:03:24.000 So who's the villain here?

00:03:27.000 Or are there multiple villains?

00:03:29.000 Norfolk Southern is a railroad conglomerate.

00:03:33.000 And I really have no dog in this fight at all.

00:03:37.000 I just don't care much for big companies or big government.

00:03:40.000 But let's talk about Norfolk Southern in particular.

00:03:43.000 Do you think they've handled this correctly?

00:03:45.000 Or do you think that this might be an example of big business and big government acting in harmony to cover something up?

00:03:55.000 Yeah, I mean, that's unfortunately, this happens more than it should.

00:04:00.000 This exact kind of scenario where a very powerful corporate entity will be somehow responsible for a catastrophe that affects a small community somewhere in America.

00:04:13.000 And precisely because of this kind of revolving door and incestuous relationship between the government and corporations, the cleanup and accountability aren't what they should be in relation to the damage that it's caused in people's lives.

00:04:28.000 And like I said, unfortunately, this happens way more than it should.

00:04:33.000 And that's, I mean, that's why it's so frustrating for these people, because I think there's that kind of sense that I don't want to call it defeatism because that's not really it, but there's definitely a sense of we don't think we're going to get justice.

00:04:46.000 We don't think we're going to get what we deserve.

00:04:49.000 And we don't think that the people who should be held accountable will be held accountable.

00:04:52.000 So I want to make a side point here, which I find to be interesting.

00:04:57.000 So we have JD Vance out front.

00:04:58.000 Praise God.

00:04:59.000 He's the senator from Ohio.

00:05:00.000 And I know you live in Ohio.

00:05:01.000 He does a great job.

00:05:03.000 But everything we've seen in Ohio, situations like this, typically Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would be out front.

00:05:13.000 For example, Bernie Sanders would make special trips out to North and South Dakota to try to block DAPL, the Dakota access pipeline.

00:05:21.000 Elizabeth Warren, I remember, I'm sure we could get video or images of it.

00:05:25.000 She used to fly to Seattle for the wage strikes.

00:05:29.000 If I remember correctly, Bernie Sanders flew down to a labor dispute.

00:05:34.000 I think it was either Toyota or Amazon.

00:05:37.000 Do you remember this?

00:05:38.000 It was, they were trying to unionize, and Bernie Sanders parachuted in.

00:05:42.000 The point being is Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders seem to just kind of be on constant tour, going from one labor fight to anti-corporate demonstration to the other.

00:05:54.000 However, when eastern Ohio, the muscular class, middle class, Midwest, mostly white area, is legitimately attacked, or you could, let's be even more neutral, harmed by either negligence or just corruption.

00:06:14.000 And there is an environmental component to it, which is one of the sacred gods of the modern American left.

00:06:22.000 There's silence and there's almost disinterest.

00:06:26.000 Why?

00:06:28.000 That's a great question.

00:06:30.000 And I don't have an easy answer.

00:06:32.000 I mean, I think that's you hit on something.

00:06:35.000 And I think that unfortunately, this is just the reality is that East Palestine is a largely white working class town.

00:06:42.000 These are just not people that we, by we, I mean the American political establishment really cares about.

00:06:49.000 They're just not people that capture headlines.

00:06:53.000 And it's really interesting because, you know, in recent days and in the last week or so, there's been an army of reporters that are coming through and sort of getting the story and kind of trying to make this about basically everything except for the town itself.

00:07:12.000 It's really interesting.

00:07:13.000 And I experienced this when I was talking to people in East Palestine.

00:07:19.000 And the people that I had spoken with had spoken with other reporters beforehand.

00:07:24.000 But there's this kind of sense of like, we're somehow still being left out of the story.

00:07:28.000 And this is still somehow not about us.

00:07:31.000 And go ahead.

00:07:33.000 No, it's you, Eastern Ohio, East Palestine, Ohio, is the heart of MAGA country. 0.96

00:07:40.000 And to just give an adjacent metaphor, it's just like the gay mafia is headquartered in downtown San Francisco. 0.94

00:07:49.000 Like the heart of MAGA country is East Palestine, Ohio. 0.94

00:07:53.000 It's 94% white.

00:07:55.000 They voted for Trump by 80% or 70, 80%.

00:07:57.000 We can get the exact numbers.

00:07:58.000 Pedro, does that matter?

00:07:59.000 Am I looking too much into it?

00:08:00.000 And is there, is there, is that a factor into why?

00:08:04.000 No, no, I think you're definitely onto something because this is the quintessential forgotten American town.

00:08:12.000 You can look at how the town has struggled economically and how you can see that across the Midwest.

00:08:19.000 I mean, you're right that this town swung for Trump, but historically, it's a strong Democratic.

00:08:24.000 Well, hold on.

00:08:25.000 Hold on.

00:08:26.000 But let me interrupt you, Pedro.

00:08:27.000 Doesn't that make them hate them more?

00:08:29.000 It makes them that they used to be Democrat and they're no longer.

00:08:33.000 Like these people defected from us.

00:08:36.000 Is this some sort of cruel punishment?

00:08:39.000 There certainly could be some of that.

00:08:41.000 That's definitely a possibility that there's this kind of looking down the nose at people like this, right?

00:08:48.000 The unwashed white working class who are somehow at the center of all of our social problems. 1.00

00:08:54.000 One of the families that I spoke with, the husband who works at the ceramics plant, he switched.

00:09:03.000 He was a Democrat voter, but he flipped for Trump.

00:09:07.000 And so, I mean, again, it's the story of the Midwest, of these people who have been left behind by policies that have been promoted by both political parties.

00:09:16.000 Yes.

00:09:17.000 Economic policy, immigration policies, people whose jobs have been sent overseas.

00:09:21.000 And the sad thing about East Palestine is that it was kind of on the upswing.

00:09:25.000 There was this sense that things were looking up, but now there's this cloud of uncertainty over the town that is made all the more worse by the fact that, again, despite the constant press attention that East Palestine is getting, the people that live there themselves are still just kind of on an island.

00:09:43.000 My recommendation to Trump and his campaign is they should go to East Palestine, not do a rally, just visit to a press conference, just bash on Buddha Judge, bash on Biden, say that if he was president, this would be a top priority.

00:09:54.000 These are his voters.

00:09:55.000 There is no political downside because obviously there's really nothing you could do.

00:09:58.000 He could host a fundraiser, do relief.

00:10:02.000 I just, I get so, I'm signed up for all these silly emails because I, you know, throughout the years, you get these, and I have an inbox dedicated to all of the solicitations I get for foreign charity crisis.

00:10:15.000 And that's fine.

00:10:15.000 I love, I think we should help people, but the earthquake in Syria and Turkey, I got a solicitation for that.

00:10:20.000 Earthquake to help Ukrainian refugees, I got a solicitation for that. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Haiti, I mean, it is relentless, right? 1.00

00:10:28.000 I am wondering, and I'm just going to take a step back.

00:10:30.000 If I get a single email solicitation from any major corporation or any influencer or any oligarch to try to have a dollar-for-dollar match to help our own American citizens, is you two going to be doing a huge Central Park concert with Bono?

00:10:45.000 Like, tonight, we're going to raise $5 million for the citizens of East Palestine.

00:10:49.000 And if you raise $5 million, we'll kick in $5 million.

00:10:53.000 I doubt it.

00:10:54.000 Yeah.

00:10:55.000 And I think that's another aspect of this tragedy, right?

00:10:58.000 Because no one knows really how severe this is.

00:11:01.000 And no one knows when we're going to start seeing like the really, again, we don't want, they're already scared enough, but that's obviously the concern is that there's going to be long-term health effects for the people that are there.

00:11:14.000 But here's the really, really sad thing.

00:11:16.000 Even if that was true, they can't leave because no one is helping them.

00:11:20.000 So we'll talk about that.

00:11:21.000 They're trapped.

00:11:22.000 And by the way, I have a strong opinion that has deepened and strengthened the last couple of years.

00:11:28.000 You shouldn't have to leave your home.

00:11:31.000 Forcing people into cosmopolitan urban environments is actually deeply unhealthy for the country. 0.99

00:11:37.000 Pedro, it seems that there is this, there was this narrative a couple years ago that was really prevailing, leave your home and just go live in Chicago, New York.

00:11:46.000 And now it's actually breaking.

00:11:47.000 That was actually one of the good things that came out of the tragedy of COVID.

00:11:50.000 People actually started to break away from the city.

00:11:52.000 Cities are falling apart.

00:11:54.000 But we should have a mandate from our government that we're not going to force, we're not going to urge you to leave your home.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, that's, yeah.

00:12:04.000 I mean, uprooting people is, I think it's difficult for us to quantify and really understand how much damage that that kind of a world and a way of living has done.

00:12:16.000 We basically encourage rootlessness.

00:12:18.000 We encourage people to just leave everything behind and to really have no meaningful connections in life beyond our employment.

00:12:25.000 And obviously, employment is important, but that's not all there is to life.

00:12:30.000 The point of life is not just to basically wander from one job to the next, you know, it's to grow roots.

00:12:36.000 And places like East Palestine are that for, you know, for their residents who live there precisely because it's where they want to be.

00:12:46.000 And the fact that we're forcing people like this, and we have forced them not just as a result of this crisis, but as a result of deliberate policy choices that we have to confront them with this decision, whether to stay there and risk the consequences or pack up and leave and go somewhere else, somewhere that you have no connection to.

00:13:10.000 That is really traumatic and distressing for a lot of these people.

00:13:16.000 And it's completely understandable why.

00:13:18.000 But again, we don't really take that into account anymore because it's just not what we've been told to value.

00:13:24.000 Shifting gears for a second, Nikki Haley is now running for the presidency. 1.00

00:13:28.000 I just want to kind of cue you up here and then you can riff.

00:13:31.000 Let's go to we got so many Nikki Haley cuts. 0.96

00:13:36.000 Let's just pick one that we have not yet played.

00:13:38.000 Cut 93.

00:13:40.000 Of course, I think the conservative movement is exhausted with identity politics, but maybe not.

00:13:46.000 Play Cut 92.

00:13:48.000 I have devoted my life to this fight, and I'm just getting started.

00:13:52.000 For a strong America, for a proud America, I am running for president of the United States of America.

00:14:04.000 Pedro, she's running.

00:14:05.000 Your thoughts?

00:14:07.000 Nikki Haley is the dying gasp of the neoconservative establishment to take all of its discredited and awful ideas and basically jam them into a skin suit with a mouth and vocal cords known as Nikki Haley. 0.99

00:14:26.000 I mean, it's terrible.

00:14:27.000 She doesn't have an original idea in her head.

00:14:30.000 It's just, you know, it's like she was incubated in a Petri dish beneath Carl Rove's home.

00:14:38.000 I really can't, it's difficult to actually put into words how much contempt I have for people like her, precisely because they claim to be sort of this next generation of leaders, but they're not.

00:14:49.000 They're the dead consensus in this zombified form, except wearing high heels.

00:14:55.000 It's really, in some ways, it's actually worse.

00:14:58.000 Like, I think I actually have less hatred for like the neocons of yesteryear because they were kind of reacting to some things and they're at least a little bit more intelligent.

00:15:07.000 Again, Nikki Haley really does strike me as just a kind of robot that's been programmed to conduct this kind of suicide mission to save neoconservatism from oblivion, which I think hopefully that's where it's headed for.

00:15:23.000 We have Pete Buddha Judge, who is Marxist neoliberal chat GPT.

00:15:29.000 And what you're saying is that the right has their own chat GPC as well.

00:15:33.000 Absolutely.

00:15:34.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:35.000 I mean, just listen to her.

00:15:36.000 And like, look at her eyes when she talks.

00:15:39.000 And I challenge you to search for signs of life.

00:15:42.000 You won't find them.

00:15:44.000 Everybody, check out Pedro Gonzalez's sub stack.

00:15:46.000 It's terrific.

00:15:47.000 He actually went to East Palestine and did reporting, which is fabulous.

00:15:51.000 It's called the Contra substack.

00:15:53.000 I learn something from it every week.

00:15:56.000 He challenges powerful people and does it effectively, and he is worthy of your support.

00:16:02.000 So it's the Contra substack.

00:16:04.000 Help him if you can.

00:16:05.000 Pedro, God bless you.

00:16:05.000 Have a great weekend.

00:16:07.000 Thank you.

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00:17:20.000 A story that just bothers me to no end is part of a theme that shows the country is falling apart.

00:17:30.000 It's because good people don't have the courage to defend people that need to be defended.

00:17:35.000 Instead, it is nothing more than a power struggle.

00:17:39.000 And that is what we have seen with this entire trans nonsense craze that has swept the nation. 1.00

00:17:46.000 I remember growing up where there were insistent arguments that female sports must be protected and women must be empowered. 1.00

00:17:55.000 Now that's not the case. 0.96

00:17:57.000 Now predatory, sick, mentally deluded men who have, let's just say, a fetish for dressing up like women are allowed to expose themselves to other women. 0.97

00:18:07.000 And we're supposed to act as if this is progress and wonderful and normal. 0.99

00:18:10.000 It's not.

00:18:11.000 It's cruel.

00:18:12.000 It's wrong and it's demented.

00:18:14.000 And it requires courage to say that.

00:18:16.000 And someone who does have a lot of courage is somebody who has been speaking out to a great personal cost to her own comfort and safety, but she certainly has allies here on this program.

00:18:28.000 And she's terrific.

00:18:29.000 It is Riley Gaines.

00:18:31.000 She is a swimmer from the University of Kentucky.

00:18:34.000 And she was actually deleted from Twitter for saying there are only two sexes. 1.00

00:18:39.000 Of course, that is a hate crime.

00:18:40.000 She's a spokesperson with the Independent Women's Forum.

00:18:44.000 And she has been sharing some news about the freak, Mr. Thomas, who should be arrested for voyeurism because of what he did to other women.

00:18:55.000 Riley, thank you for joining the program.

00:18:57.000 Thank you for your courage.

00:18:58.000 Tell us about the news that you've made the last week about Mr. Thomas.

00:19:03.000 Yeah, so I actually got sent Leah Thomas's girlfriend/slash boyfriend.

00:19:10.000 It's a very interesting dynamic.

00:19:12.000 Of course, Leah Thomas is a male transitioning to a female.

00:19:16.000 Leah is also dating another male transitioning to female.

00:19:22.000 So in theory, well, in reality, this is two men, but they consider themselves lesbians.

00:19:28.000 So very interesting.

00:19:29.000 But someone actually sent me Leah's partner's Instagram page.

00:19:35.000 And so I had a quick, quick look through all of this stuff.

00:19:39.000 And I knew, of course, what the NCAA perpetrated.

00:19:45.000 And allowing us as female athletes to share this locker room space was bad. 0.94

00:19:50.000 When you did a deep dive on who Leah Thomas is as a person and what their own personal motives are, it makes what happened 10 times worse.

00:20:01.000 The NCAA allowed us as female athletes to not even just allow, they encourage us as female athletes to participate in Leah Thomas's sexual arousement and Leah Thomas's fetish. 1.00

00:20:16.000 So tell us about that.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, I mean, you said that you had to change.

00:20:19.000 I mean, Mr. Thomas would be naked around all of you.

00:20:24.000 And what was the scenario?

00:20:26.000 You guys were competing against him in the NCAA championship, right?

00:20:31.000 Yes, it was our NCAA championships out of nowhere, my senior year.

00:20:36.000 And again, I graduated from the University of Kentucky.

00:20:39.000 Out of nowhere, this person starts leading the nation in multiple events by multiple seconds.

00:20:45.000 And I had never heard of this person before, which is a bit bizarre considering most top-tier athletes know each other.

00:20:53.000 It was very quick for us to find out that this was prior to Leah, swimming in the women's category, this was Will, and he swam three years on the men's side at UPenn.

00:21:03.000 The NCAA, three weeks before our championship meet last year, announced that Leah would, in fact, be competing with the women. 0.98

00:21:11.000 So we knew what the competition piece would look like, but we had no idea we would be sharing a changing space with someone who was fully intact with male genitalia.

00:21:22.000 And so that obviously made all of you uncomfortable. 0.74

00:21:24.000 I just have to ask your fellow female competitors, did anyone say, hey, there's a naked man in our locker room? 1.00

00:21:30.000 Like, why was this tolerated?

00:21:32.000 Why'd you put up with this?

00:21:34.000 We talked amongst ourselves and we knew it was wrong.

00:21:37.000 Of course, we all felt extremely uncomfortable.

00:21:39.000 Some of us have felt traumatized.

00:21:42.000 There were several girls who were put in that position who were victims of prior sexual assault. 0.90

00:21:47.000 And so to be in that triggering environment where you are exposed to male parts while you're undressing, that was an extremely traumatic experience for some.

00:21:56.000 And so we talked amongst ourselves and we talked to our coaches, but there was no one going very public with this.

00:22:02.000 And so when this happened, I immediately went to the NCAA officials and said, hey, how is this allowed?

00:22:09.000 Who put these guidelines in place that allowed this?

00:22:13.000 And their response to me was that the locker rooms are actually unisex, which meant that any man, not even a self-identifying woman, could have walked into our locker room.

00:22:24.000 A coach, anyone of the officials who was a male, they were putting us or they were allowing men to change in a locker room at the expense of us as women and the expense of our feelings, our mental health and our identity, which of course goes against everything that, like you said, these people who claim to fight for women's rights, this goes against everything that they have fought for.

00:22:52.000 To be subjected to that by people who were supposed to protect you was just this feeling of, of course, utter shock, but honestly, it was a feeling of heartbreak.

00:23:01.000 I mean, these people are sick.

00:23:03.000 And I don't say that lightly. 0.99

00:23:05.000 The NCAA is a perverted organization.

00:23:08.000 They platformed a biological male who won a national championship and then was allowed in incredibly disturbing detail to be around you and your fellow competitors.

00:23:19.000 And again, I blame the decline of American men. 0.57

00:23:23.000 This never should have been, you know, you should have, someone should have just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.

00:23:31.000 But, you know, as you have testosterone rates go down and men start acting like women and they don't do anything, then, hey, who's to say? 0.68

00:23:40.000 You're going to look, there are a lot of sick people in the world, unfortunately.

00:23:44.000 And without the strength to go against them, the country is going to completely, totally fall apart.

00:23:51.000 So I have to ask you, Riley, amongst your fellow competitors and other people, is there, I mean, what's the opinion of Thomas?

00:24:01.000 First, of course, from the competition standpoint, it's not fair, but obviously that doesn't exist.

00:24:07.000 Are people like fired up about this that are competitors?

00:24:12.000 I just okay, so tell me more about that.

00:24:15.000 I can tell you how just based off the conversations I've had from people at that meet, including parents at that meet who had to sit and watch this and know that their daughters were changing in locker room with a man, 99% of people share the same opinion as you and I.

00:24:31.000 These girls, especially the girls who fall in the age range of 18 to 22 and are still competitively swimming, they're terrified to use their name and their voice and their face for this issue.

00:24:44.000 A lot of these girls, just hearing their stories about what their universities are doing to silence them. 1.00

00:24:51.000 I mean, obviously this is an issue within fairness and competition, but this translates far beyond that.

00:24:57.000 Yes, it does.

00:24:58.000 This is an issue of freedom of speech.

00:25:00.000 What these universities are doing to these female athletes is, I mean, it's criminal. 1.00

00:25:07.000 Talking to Leah Thomas's teammates, I've talked to several of them to great lengths.

00:25:13.000 One of them was filling me in on what they went through.

00:25:18.000 Every week they had to go to LGBTQ mandatory meetings.

00:25:22.000 When they sent an email to their university expressing their concern of the locker room, their university emailed back.

00:25:29.000 And I swear I have a screenshot of this.

00:25:31.000 I can't even believe this is in writing.

00:25:34.000 But their university emailed back and said, if you feel uncomfortable seeing male genitalia, here are some counseling resources that you should see.

00:25:43.000 So they made these poor 18 to 22-year-old girls feel crazy for being uncomfortable in a situation where they're un and a male is watching. 0.68

00:25:54.000 They were told their school has made their stance for them.

00:25:56.000 They were told that they will never get into grad school.

00:25:59.000 They will never get a job.

00:26:00.000 All of these terrible, awful things that force them into silence and that quite frankly aren't true.

00:26:08.000 Since I've become public with my stance and with so many other stance, it has been opportunity after opportunity.

00:26:15.000 And I have been backed by so much support.

00:26:18.000 I mean, tenfold than compared to anything negative, which I think shows how the true majority of this country and really how this world feels about this topic in particular.

00:26:28.000 Yeah, I mean, look, Thomas should be institutionalized and should be given some help, obviously.

00:26:33.000 You should not be exposing yourself to other women. 1.00

00:26:36.000 You're a freak. 1.00

00:26:36.000 You're a voyeur. 1.00

00:26:38.000 It should be illegal.

00:26:38.000 Okay.

00:26:39.000 And by the way, we know through some of his social media postings that his girlfriend has a fetish for dressing up like a woman and acting like women and getting people to go along with it.

00:26:51.000 And instead of saying, okay, you have a problem, we're going to get you treatment.

00:26:54.000 We're going to get you, you know, healed, which is the heart for all of us, right?

00:27:00.000 We pander and we reconfigure all society.

00:27:03.000 We remake all society to indulge in them.

00:27:06.000 And so where we used to have a belief that women are necessary to be protected, I mean, obviously it's a moral promise of the West.

00:27:15.000 It's all gone.

00:27:16.000 It sounds like the bare minimum.

00:27:18.000 No, instead, we can't define what a woman is. 1.00

00:27:18.000 It's all gone. 1.00

00:27:20.000 And instead, women, instead, men, who, again, I want to reinforce this, Thomas needs help.

00:27:29.000 Thomas needs help.

00:27:30.000 This is a broken person with some probably chemical imbalances and probably childhood trauma that has been undiagnosed or not taken seriously.

00:27:39.000 Instead, instead of giving that sort of healing treatment that is obviously out there, we are now saying other people must suffer because you have a lot of problems.

00:27:49.000 Absolutely.

00:27:50.000 You're exactly right.

00:27:51.000 It just feels like we are simply here to validate this dysphoria, this mental illness of a male, which, of course, when talking about Title IX, this goes against everything Title IX was created to protect. 0.70

00:28:05.000 Obviously, it was supposed to instill equal opportunities for women. 1.00

00:28:09.000 But when we allow men, especially men with this dysphoria, to infiltrate back into our sports. 0.96

00:28:15.000 That's right.

00:28:16.000 You said it perfectly.

00:28:18.000 You said we allow.

00:28:19.000 That's exactly right.

00:28:20.000 For all parents out there, me being one of them, for the adults out there, we can't put up with this anymore.

00:28:24.000 I don't care what they call you.

00:28:25.000 I don't care what it takes.

00:28:26.000 Draw the line and say we are not going to allow freaks around our daughters. 0.95

00:28:31.000 Period.

00:28:31.000 I don't care what they do.

00:28:33.000 Where are the men out there?

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00:29:39.000 Riley, how can people support you?

00:29:40.000 The chat is going crazy.

00:29:41.000 They want to get behind you.

00:29:42.000 Tell us about the social media, how people can support you.

00:29:46.000 Yes.

00:29:46.000 So my Twitter is Riley underscore Gaines underscore.

00:29:50.000 My Instagram is Riley G. Barker.

00:29:53.000 I've just recently started working with the Independent Women's Forum.

00:29:56.000 Their website is www.iwf.org.

00:30:01.000 They are a great way to stay involved, stay up to date on this issue.

00:30:06.000 They do a great job covering breaking stories and giving athletes a platform.

00:30:10.000 So, Riley, I just got it.

00:30:11.000 I just got to one.

00:30:12.000 I'm wondering, more broadly, from just kind of the general college population, do most young people feel as if this is normal and okay?

00:30:24.000 You know, I think this is where I struggle because I'm from Tennessee, which there's no one in this state who thinks this is rational.

00:30:32.000 Truly, no one I've ever talked to here agrees with the opposition.

00:30:38.000 And then I went to the University of Kentucky, which is also in the South. 0.94

00:30:42.000 These people, we're not, at least the people I'm around, we're not dumb enough, which sounds sad to say. 0.98

00:30:52.000 We're not dumb enough to think that women don't deserve equal opportunities. 0.97

00:30:56.000 We see this gender ideology propaganda for what it is. 1.00

00:31:00.000 But when I see TikToks and when I see YouTube videos and social media posts from these crazies in these super left-leaning states and these super woke universities of people my age, it just breaks my heart and it makes me lose hope for our generation.

00:31:20.000 I feel like we should know right from wrong.

00:31:23.000 We all have a moral compass.

00:31:25.000 And so, for these people to actively choose to ignore basic biology, the truth, it just makes you sit back and almost laugh.

00:31:34.000 And it's sad to say it's comical, but some of the stuff I see is truly comical.

00:31:40.000 Yeah, it's comical, but it's growing.

00:31:43.000 So just tell us that the state of college sports.

00:31:46.000 There are more and more men that are now competing against women.

00:31:49.000 This is not just swimming, is it?

00:31:50.000 No, no, this is happening across all sports, across all age groups, all divisions.

00:31:57.000 And what's so sad is so many of these trans athletes, and I have so many examples.

00:32:03.000 It's actually mind-blowing.

00:32:05.000 I have parents call me all the time.

00:32:06.000 Hi, my daughter is at a D3 university and she's competing against a man in basketball.

00:32:12.000 I actually just watched a live stream the other day of a diving meet where there's a man at a D3 school competing against women.

00:32:19.000 And so people believe this narrative that it's not happening.

00:32:23.000 It's a non-issue, but that could not be farther from the truth.

00:32:27.000 It's happening as young as 10 years old in cheer competitions in Iowa this past week.

00:32:33.000 It's happening in master's golf divisions.

00:32:36.000 I mean, and everything in between.

00:32:38.000 It's so sad and it's underreported.

00:32:40.000 And the narrative that it's a non-issue could not be further from the truth.

00:32:43.000 I'm just curious, did anybody file an indecent exposure criminal complaint against Thomas?

00:32:50.000 There have been people interested in suing the NCAA.

00:32:54.000 I think it's taken some time to understand the process because again, we had no idea.

00:33:00.000 I still am learning things every day about the process of this and how navigating this position works because this is, I was supposed to be in dental school this year.

00:33:09.000 And so the trajectory of my life is not what I thought it was going to be.

00:33:13.000 And so we actually presented the NCAA directly, personally, a legal demand letter stating that if they don't stop discriminating on the basis of sex, there will be legal action.

00:33:25.000 The NCAA has a new president, Mark Immert, who will, I mean, not Mark Immert, Charlie Baker, who will take effect in March in place of Mark Immert.

00:33:33.000 So we're hopeful that he will acknowledge this and treat it for what it is and make the right and ethical decision.

00:33:42.000 I sure hope so.

00:33:43.000 And I mean, amongst other female athletes that see their life's work just kind of put into jeopardy, I just, my heart goes out to them, but boy, we need to make some structural changes soon.

00:33:56.000 And we need to have the courage to call this out.

00:34:00.000 Really quick, I'm sure you've been, you know, called every name possible and harassed.

00:34:05.000 Just give us a little bit of a window into the cruelty I'm sure you've received.

00:34:09.000 I mean, no one can dispute my argument because what I'm saying is my experience.

00:34:15.000 It's factual.

00:34:16.000 It's true.

00:34:17.000 It's exactly what happened.

00:34:19.000 I try to stick away from the opinions because I don't even need to say my opinions for people to realize this is crazy.

00:34:26.000 And so the attacks, the negative comments I get are all personal attacks.

00:34:32.000 I mean, I get told all the time, maybe you should have just trained harder.

00:34:36.000 You should have swam faster and this wouldn't have happened.

00:34:38.000 I'm like, what a novel idea.

00:34:40.000 I never thought to just go faster.

00:34:44.000 Two, I get you're transphobic.

00:34:46.000 Okay, that literally one ear out of the other.

00:34:50.000 I know my heart's intentions.

00:34:52.000 I know I'm not transphobic.

00:34:53.000 That would imply that I'm scared of trans individuals. 1.00

00:34:56.000 I'm not scared of trans people.

00:34:58.000 And quite frankly, I don't care what people do in their free time.

00:35:02.000 If you want to identify as a woman, I'm not going to support you, but by all means, feel free.

00:35:09.000 I know I'm not transphobic. 0.91

00:35:10.000 So that to me is silly. 0.99

00:35:12.000 Or it's something like you're ugly. 0.99

00:35:15.000 You have hair extensions, which my hair is not extensions. 0.93

00:35:20.000 And so these personal attacks, they just don't bother me.

00:35:23.000 Riley Gaines, thank you for your courage.

00:35:24.000 The fact they're attacking you personally means you're being effective.

00:35:26.000 We need to fight these freaks.

00:35:28.000 Thank you.

00:35:28.000 God bless you.

00:35:30.000 Thank you.

00:35:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:32.000 Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 18, 2023

If Parents Won't Stop Perverts, Who Will? with Riley Gaines and Pedro Gonzalez

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