00:00:29.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:00.000The number one reason I'm running for Congress is because just like I'm sure you know, because I'm sure that's why you started Turning Point USA, there is no time to wait.
00:01:09.000I look out at my country right now, and you know, I just got engaged to a beautiful young woman, very excited about it.
00:01:14.000But, you know, we're having the conversation that almost every single engaged couple has, and that's, hey, how many kids do you want to have?
00:01:21.000And as I'm sitting there thinking about the world that I'm going to be raising these children in, you know, I shudder to think that one day they're going to look up to me and say, hey, dad, tell us about capitalism.
00:01:36.000And then I have to hang my head in shame and say, well, the reason is because I wasn't willing to stand up and fight.
00:01:41.000And so, you know, just like James Madison says he did, you know, he stood up at 25 years old to try and change our nation for the better, to create our nation.
00:01:49.000You know, I'm wanting to stand up right now because I think it's time for a change agent.
00:01:53.000And I think it's time for someone who isn't going to back down.
00:01:56.000Someone who's got a backbone of titanium, as I like to say.
00:03:05.000Year and a month in a hospital, three months in ICU.
00:03:09.000You know, all that mental capacity, all those physical abilities all ripped away from me.
00:03:13.000You know, I had traumatic brain injury.
00:03:15.000I was terribly damaged, just my entire body.
00:03:18.000I'm now bound to a wheelchair from now on.
00:03:22.000But for the very first time after I came out of the hospital at about 150 pounds in a wheelchair, and I went to a professional baseball game, I realized what it was like to have people look over you in a crowd, to feel disenfranchised, to feel like the society had left you behind and that you were no longer a part of the process.
00:03:44.000And so that enabled me to empathize with people and really want to walk a mile in someone's moccasins before I make a decision about what should happen in their life.
00:03:52.000And so you started going across the country speaking about your story, right?
00:04:23.000You know, we were considered a dark horse in the race.
00:04:26.000No one really ever gave us, thought we'd be able to do it.
00:04:28.000But, you know, at the end of the day, what it came down to is hard work and a great message, you know, that message of conservatism, of freedom, of personal responsibility, of having the pen of destiny in your own hands.
00:04:59.000You know, I met you at one of our events and you drove out there and I was really impressed by you.
00:05:04.000And without getting into too much detail, the power structure was, you know, no, go to the other person or stay out of the whole race was basically the tone.
00:05:12.000And I will never forget, I sat down with you, like, we're going to win.
00:05:14.000I'm like, all right, Madison, like, just let's, you know, let's kind of plan this out.
00:05:18.000And it's like, no, we're going to win.
00:05:19.000I was like, okay, well, I remember saying, like, that's the attitude to have, you know, and I didn't doubt you because I, you know, would have been foolish to do that.
00:05:28.000I was just very open-minded to the idea of a 24-year-old becoming a congressional member of Congress.
00:06:17.000You know, I try to make very clear, even with my very neck, my victory speech at night, that I by no means thought that was a referendum on Trump.
00:06:47.000And I'm so thankful that I get to grow up in a generation that has someone actually fighting for me.
00:06:53.000Well, I want to compliment you on one thing, which is when you won, you were so gracious and you were magnanimous because there were so many figures that opposed you and spent money against you.
00:07:06.000And you were given opportunities by every way that liberal media works, the activist media, and you know this, is they'll say, oh, look, this guy defied Trump.
00:07:13.000Let's try to give him 20 questions to try to say one bad thing against someone conservative.
00:07:20.000And then they can write their favorite story, which is conservative-friendly fire continues.
00:08:01.000You know, people always want to say, oh, you went to war with the establishment and you won.
00:08:05.000I was like, no, we just, we just, the people of Western North Carolina were trying to make a discerning decision about who they wanted to go and defeat this liberal idea.
00:08:14.000Well, and I will get into this in depth.
00:08:16.000The president should be very thankful that you won because he needs to carry North Carolina to win the White House.
00:08:23.000And you're going to boost turnout for him in North Carolina.
00:08:25.000You're going to get new voters for him in North Carolina.
00:08:28.000So when people support your campaign, they're also supporting the president winning in North Carolina.
00:08:44.000You know, we hear everywhere we go from people who are, you know, the largest voting demographic in my district and emerging in our entire state is undecided voters.
00:08:55.000These unaffiliated voters, not Republicans, they're not Democrats.
00:08:58.000They're people who are still just trying to have someone that represents them.
00:09:13.000The normal average American citizen is no longer represented in the Democratic Party.
00:09:19.000And I think they are just looking for a champion to go out and fight for them and not just be worried about virtue signaling and trying to say, oh, well, I'm the most woke person there is.
00:09:30.000And no, we have a, this is the thing that I think delineates Republicans versus Democrats.
00:09:37.000And let me say conservatives versus liberals.
00:09:51.000I read it through the lens of original intent from the authors, mainly through James Madison's writings and the Federalist Papers, to understand what he really meant when he wrote this wonderful.
00:10:23.000Or whether it's the African American movement or people coming in with Martin Luther King saying, hey, judge us based on the content of our character and not on our skin color.
00:10:32.000Or the LGBT community saying, hey, we just want to get married.
00:10:37.000Things that are pretty reasonable ideas that they want to move for.
00:10:41.000But then I believe that now they've achieved those, you have this third wave feminism that comes in and says, no, we don't want to be equal to men.0.85
00:10:49.000We want to be greater than men at this point.0.69
00:10:52.000Or you have what started out as the Black Lives Matter movement has now been hijacked by Marxists who are taking it so far left, just trying to destroy.
00:11:26.000Yeah, and that's a very important point.
00:11:29.000And I mean, you actually read the Constitution and understand it, unlike most of our leaders in both parties, and you actually know who wrote it and why they wrote it.
00:11:39.000And so I want to talk generationally, then I want to go just issue by issue.
00:11:44.000So generationally, first, there's something very exciting happening where young people are now introducing themselves into the political system, and they're saying The ruling class have made decades of poor decisions on our behalf.
00:11:59.000And Madison, you spoke out against this wonderfully.
00:12:03.000And I think the Republican Party has just decided to forget about this issue.
00:12:07.000We have $26, $27 trillion in debt, and we're spending multiple trillions of dollars a year.
00:12:19.000And it's our generation that's going to now have to live in a sub, a sub-standard economic climate because of that.
00:12:27.000And yeah, it's fine if you're, you know, I guess in your 60s or 70s, you're not going to have to see the whole program play itself out.
00:12:35.000And what I'm very, what gives me promise is that now we have a generation that says, I'm just really kind of exhausted with just you telling me you're going to do that because you haven't.
00:12:46.000And now you're actually assuming leadership into that position.
00:12:49.000And you probably know the ages better than I do, but the founders of our country were in their late teens and early 20s when they founded this country.
00:13:02.000And the framers, the people that we consider to be the architects of this beautiful country, were in their 20s.
00:13:09.000And they were 20s and late 20s and early 30s.
00:13:13.000I think there's something to that because when you're the age that you and I both are, 26 and 24, soon to be 25, there's a commitment to the ideal of creating something multi-generationally better.
00:13:25.000And I'm not saying that I'm not against, obviously, leaders that are not in their 20s and 30s, but I do think that when it becomes your career, it becomes more about, I want to keep my job intact and less about I actually want to do something correct for the generation that I'm care about, which you should always be trying to make public policy for the next generation.
00:13:45.000That's why you're in leadership, right?
00:13:48.000We have civil government so that your posterity, literally in our framework, can be successful.
00:13:56.000I mean, this idea that we're just trying to create laws for today, that's actually very short-sighted.
00:14:02.000Countries don't actually succeed when you do that.
00:14:05.000And so that's what gives me so much promise about what you're doing here is because there's a variety of reasons.
00:14:09.000And that's one of the biggest ones is I can't actually probably think of a scenario in the U.S. Constitution that says you must be 25 to be seated in the House of Representatives.
00:14:18.000So in American history, the only person who wasn't 25, he was 22, I think, but he was allowed to be seated.
00:14:31.000So, and then, God willing, you'll win your election, and then you'll be seated as probably the youngest within a couple months that you could possibly even be to be seated.
00:14:39.000And it won't be a Democrat, won't be a leftist.
00:14:42.000They're going to try to ignore you that you even exist.
00:15:04.000They really believe that they have cornered the market.
00:15:06.000And in many ways, I think that they have.
00:15:09.000We've had so few people who are standing up to try and lead that people when they think of young conservative or young politicals, young politicos, young people in politics, they think of Elon Omar and Alexandria Casa-Cortez.
00:15:24.000They think, oh, well, that's what the left is.
00:15:26.000They look on, you know, they look on to BuzzFeed News to see what millennials are talking about.
00:15:33.000I believe that the Republicans have had a really bad time of messaging for about the past two to three decades.
00:15:39.000And that's why you see so many people in my generation, our generation, who are saying they're not registering as Republicans, and they're not registering as Democrats.
00:15:47.000This goes on to what I was talking about earlier, people registering unaffiliated.
00:15:52.000It's because, you know, they, sure, maybe they like the environment, but aside from that, the Democrats don't represent them.
00:16:00.000But if the Republicans would just tell our message better, articulate it in a way that people can understand, I think we would see droves and droves of our generation coming to it.
00:16:20.000You know, I want to lead kind of a James Madison revolution of young people.
00:16:25.000And you know, he was 25 years old when he signed the Declaration of Independence.
00:16:27.000He went on to write the Constitution of young people realizing there is a problem in my society and I'm going to need to stand up and do something about it because there's no time to wait.
00:16:36.000And that is what I want to see for our generation.
00:16:39.000I want to see this generation rise up and say, hey, you know what?
00:16:44.000Not only is it a terrible financial decision for us to cast ourselves further and further into debt, but it's immoral.
00:16:50.000You're saddling me, my children, all the future generations with this terrible substandard economic setting that they're going to put people into.
00:16:58.000And so I think it's time for us to shake off these bonds and not listen to these people who say, oh, well, you know what?
00:17:05.000You're going to do great one day, but it's time for you to wait in line.
00:17:42.000And this is not, it's not just like wearing a Carolina Panthers jersey, right?
00:17:47.000And that's the way I think the Republican Party feels.
00:17:49.000Like, oh, yeah, I'm going to put on the jersey when I go to a pro-life rally, and then they just take off the jersey and then they go do something else.
00:18:06.000And we always go out of our way to mention the Jim Jordans of the world, to mention Matt Gates, to mention Senator Josh Hawley and Senator Tom Cotton.
00:18:15.000And I think that one of the reasons, and we've talked about this, is the system and the structure in Washington has been so difficult for people like you to win, first and foremost.
00:18:27.000And I think social media and technology really afforded you, you know, an opening to be able to kind of compete on this landscape.
00:18:36.000And I think that's an incredibly positive thing, you know, for our country and for the next generation.
00:18:40.000And you know, and I wrote a note here, you now have a burden of responsibility.
00:18:44.000And you know this, is because now you will be the youngest elected member of Congress in the history of our beautiful country, youngest ever.
00:18:51.000And you will get older, but that will probably never be taken away from you, right?
00:18:54.000And with that, there will be an expectation of the media and people say, okay, now sell me the Republican Party, young Republican, like sell it to me.
00:19:05.000I think you're up for it because you had to defeat 12 other people and then a runoff with all this outside money coming in.
00:19:11.000And outside of the legislative side of it, and I would love to get your thoughts on this.
00:19:16.000Outside of the legislative side of it, which we all know is a very difficult, complicated, convoluted process.
00:19:20.000And I think that that will take longer to change.
00:19:23.000What won't take longer to change, though, is a 16-year-old in Boston, Massachusetts that will then see you as, wow, there's a young Republican.
00:19:31.000I actually see millions of people coming to the conservative movement because of your singular victory and because what we're doing and our podcast and all that.
00:19:39.000But now that it's not, now that it's a reference point where it's like, wow, you can actually be a lawmaker in your mid-20s, I think that's incredibly important.
00:19:47.000What does the Republican Party stand for for that 16-year-old in Boston or the 20-year-old in Austin, Texas, that quite honestly will see you and they said, I never thought that existed.
00:20:01.000I feel like so often people try to overcomplicate what the message of Republicans is.
00:20:07.000And I think that's why so many young people are turned off to the party is because you ask, go ask your average congressman on the GOP side, say, hey, what is your message?
00:20:41.000And yes, it means that you're accountable for your failures, but it also means that you get to feel the exhilaration of victory when you have success.
00:20:48.000It means that I want you to go work hard and have ownership and own a piece of land and know that you are a part of this country and you take ownership for where it goes, which direction it takes.
00:20:59.000But the whole thing is it's getting the government out of our lives.
00:21:02.000I mean, Charlie, you know, if we take this page right here, grab any three letters and put them together, it's going to most likely, odds are, it's going to resemble the initials of some major government agency that is designed to tell us what to do.
00:22:11.000And we have to think multi-generational and transformative in a very restorative is probably a better word than transformative because transformative sounds, you know, far too, you know, kind of Marxist and socialistic.
00:22:22.000But I think restorative is a much better term for it.
00:22:24.000And it's very interesting because you mentioned the fourth branch of government.
00:22:28.000They're unelected, they're unknown, and they have unlimited amounts of power.
00:22:32.000And we don't know who these people are.
00:22:34.000They're able to investigate our lives.
00:22:36.000They're able to, in a lot of ways, tie up our businesses.
00:22:41.000And the founders never anticipated a fourth branch, a bureaucratic class, if you will, of endless amounts of millions of people that have this kind of power.
00:22:49.000It's civil service that is completely unchecked and unregulated in a lot of ways, unregulated by the people.
00:22:56.000And so the more light you shine onto that, I think the better.
00:22:59.000And so you mentioned some issues that younger voters care about.
00:23:06.000So tech censorship is a big issue for young people.
00:23:10.000You're going to be one of the leading voices on this issue.
00:23:13.000I make the argument that we should be against centralized power in all forms, including when centralized power gets more powerful than the government.
00:23:21.000And I think Google is actually more powerful than the federal government in a lot of ways.
00:23:25.000What is your view on tech censorship and the tech companies?
00:23:28.000The view is, I respect the idea of private businesses being able to do whatever they want.
00:23:37.000But right now, we do stand against monopolies.
00:23:40.000And I think we need to do some kind of trust busting because what's going on is we have these ginormous tech companies, whether we're talking about the Facebooks or the Googles of the world, who have an undue amount of influence on everyday Americans, on the whole globe, really.
00:23:55.000And for them to be able to operate in two different forms.
00:23:58.000One, they say, oh, well, we're just a platform, so we're protected by First Amendment rights.
00:24:01.000So government, you can't come in and help regulators tell us what to do.
00:24:04.000But two, they also say, well, we're kind of like a publisher.
00:24:07.000So I don't really, I disagree with what you're saying there.
00:24:13.000And then all of a sudden you get a pop-up on your Instagram that says, oh, your post has been deleted because it does not abide by our community guidelines.
00:24:22.000And then you can never go read what the community guidelines are.
00:24:25.000It's this arbitrary benchmark that they really don't even have specified because they don't want to have to abide by it.
00:24:34.000If they see someone really making waves, and Charlie, I'm sure that you are so frustrated by this, see someone really making waves and cutting into that young demographic that they want to hold on to so badly, then they're going to do everything they can to limit your influence.
00:24:48.000Yeah, and these companies, they know exactly where you are right now.
00:25:25.000And so when you see the weak being exploited by the strong, and that happens time and time again, I think that we as moral people have an obligation to intervene when the weak can't defend themselves up against the strong.
00:25:38.000And the strong are Google, the tech companies, right?
00:25:41.000And we have waited years for a free market remedy against them.
00:25:46.000And we have not seen that happen, unfortunately.
00:25:48.000It's just, you know, there's some competitors and they just fall in flat.
00:25:52.000Yeah, and some of it is because they hide behind Section 230, the Communications Decency Act, which is a government-created regulation that gave them their super governmental status.
00:26:02.000And so when we as conservatives look at this, it should always come from the perspective of how do I protect that beautiful Bill of Rights?
00:26:09.000And if the beautiful Bill of Rights is being violated in a macro sense by anything, we should have concern, especially speech, right?
00:26:18.000So when you have Diamond and Silk, you have Lila Rose, you have the California Republican Party be described as Nazis by Google, you have all these examples, thousands and thousands of examples, that all of a sudden violates the first amendment of our Constitution.
00:26:33.000Now, it's very tricky because, as you said, it's a private business.
00:26:36.000But in modern day time, how can you petition your government without using the internet?
00:28:00.000I think we do ourselves such a disservice when our parents and our families think that the ultimate way they can find success is by getting their child to a four-year degree education.
00:28:45.000I think people are realizing that, you know, you don't need a four-year degree in Egyptology to shape public opinion.
00:28:52.000And I think people are also realizing that, you know, sending more doctors and sending more lawyers to Congress, people who wear ties to work every single day, might not be as effective as what we want it to be.
00:29:02.000Because, you know, I think we need more people who put on steel-toed boots every single morning rather than a tie shaping our public policy.
00:29:09.000So, Madison, I encourage you to own the fact you didn't go to college.
00:29:22.000And, you know, the more I, you know what the number one response I would get from our amazing patriots is they'd say, you didn't go to college, good for you.
00:30:34.000But he was never in the special forces or anything in the world.
00:30:37.000So a lot of people in the community say, well, ask him, hey, how are you able to be so successful even though you don't have, you know, you weren't in special forces?
00:31:03.000Proficiency and knowledge of the issues in the historical context of our founding, I think is all you need to have to be able to come into.
00:31:40.000And so, and on the inverse of that, anyone can have the access to truth.
00:31:44.000And that's why those of us that are Christians know that.
00:31:47.000And that's why it's been so incredible as Christianity has spread rights across the world have spread because it's an idea that you can actually access the same truth as the person at the top of the ivory tower can.
00:31:58.000And of course, there's different levels of understanding, especially when you get to molecular biology and all of those sorts of things.
00:32:03.000But there's nothing that they can state unequivocally that another person can also stay.
00:32:10.000And it becomes less true because they say it.
00:32:12.000And I think the argument from authority has actually protected the ruling class from any sort of criticism.
00:32:29.000Trump will not beat the Bush dynasty or the Clinton dynasty, all these things.
00:32:32.000And these same people that have gotten all these things wrong professionally for the last five years, we still keep them in, and we still call them experts.
00:32:40.000And, but in a lot of different ways, the plumber in Asheville, North Carolina had way more wisdom about the future of the political process than some silly Berkeley PhD person who hates America and was just basically so angry that Trump might be president, he just wanted to project it onto the world.
00:32:58.000And I think we're seeing a big disruption of that.
00:33:10.000I believe our education system, pushing people to go to these extraordinarily expensive, which are federally guaranteed loans, let me remind you, funded.
00:33:20.000You go to these higher education institutions, and then you're basically going to be forced to be a perpetual renter for the rest of your life.
00:33:27.000You will never own anything because as long as you are in debt, you cannot build wealth.
00:33:31.000You're either accepting interest or you are paying interest.
00:33:35.000And let me tell you, the problem is with everyone taking these student loans, which you can't even get out of through bankruptcy, they follow you to the grave.
00:33:43.000Everyone taking all of these ginormous student loans, it keeps people dependent on the government because they're never going to be able to create the wealth to have the freedom that they want.
00:34:04.000Dwight D. Eisenhower was one of the greatest presidents in American history, was a Republican, fought against segregation, brought in federal troops to desegregate the armed forces, built the interstate system, oversaw the greatest economic renaissance.
00:34:15.000And one of the biggest things he talked about is how middle-class wealth must be around equity building, not on debt accumulation.
00:34:23.000And he, post-World War II, he was a communicator of peace and prosperity.
00:34:30.000And people that lived through the Eisenhower era felt a very stable society that was growing with a national ethos and a purpose of rebuilding.
00:34:36.000And we just have forgotten about that as Republicans in a lot of ways.
00:34:40.000And what's really important is that we have now, in a lot of different ways, we have hypnotized ourselves to just continue to amass massive debt burdens and not try to actually build institutional wealth.
00:34:53.000And that's why I think that we the more that we become a renting society, especially for young people, the more liberal and socialistic they actually become.
00:35:07.000You and I talked about this yesterday.
00:35:08.000I think that the Republican Party should say no more buildings over 10 stories for like five years.
00:35:12.000And I know that sounds like really extreme, but when you think about it, every time a story, you know, building goes over a certain level, you're going to have a higher likelihood of those people being very far left wing because it's the tragedy of the commons.
00:35:49.000And I think that property ownership, as it has declined in our country, has been a really troubling trend.
00:35:55.000And this is the, I'm so glad you're talking about this, Madison, because this is actual real life stuff that the Republican Party has decided not to talk about over the last 20 years.
00:36:02.000It's all about the minor incremental increases we can get to the GDP.
00:36:08.000Yeah, but that's what the American people are.
00:36:09.000First of all, I just have to say this.
00:36:10.000The GDP is not even the best metric to take.
00:36:34.000There's a number one contributing variable into the factor of GDP.
00:36:39.000And then it doesn't count wage growth.
00:36:41.000It doesn't count how long you actually have to work to be able to sustain a family or debt or any of that.
00:36:46.000All they care about is macroeconomic growth.
00:36:48.000Anyway, you were saying something and I was bashing on the GDP metric.
00:36:51.000No, no, we were talking about the same thing: the fact that I believe, you know, what you and I are talking about right now, it's what people actually care about.
00:37:02.000When my brother, who has got four beautiful little daughters who are my nieces, they're great.
00:37:06.000I care about when he is sitting around the dining room table with his beautiful little family, that those girls have food, that him and his wife know if they want to go out and see a movie, they can because they feel safe in this society to go out and do so.
00:37:21.000And I care about the issues that matter to them.
00:37:24.000And let me tell you, incremental changes to the GDP do not matter to them where they're sitting.
00:37:29.000My brother's a financial advisor, and so obviously he cares about finances a lot, but I care about what happens to the middle-class American family.
00:37:37.000And that's where the Republicans need to get back to.
00:37:41.000And so people say, well, how on earth is it that young people are becoming so socialistic?
00:37:46.000And of course, part of it, a big part of it, is you send them to these universities where they professionally hate America.
00:37:51.000But also there's an economic component of it.
00:37:53.000And we, as Republicans, have just kind of ignored this.
00:37:55.000And Donald Trump saw this so beautifully and so clearly, which is you have a 28-year-old who did what he was supposed to do, right?
00:38:01.000He went into debt, went to Clemson, you know, or wherever he went, University of Florida, and studied something that he wasn't really passionate about.
00:38:08.000But everyone told him you have to get that piece of paper.
00:38:10.000And then he gets very, you know, he gets employed maybe, but he's getting underpaid.
00:38:15.000And he definitely can't save any of his money because he has to pay off his student debt and everything costs so much.
00:38:20.000He definitely can't even go buy a car, let alone a home, let alone have kids.
00:38:23.000By the time that person turns 31, 32, when someone comes around in grievance-based politics and is like, I'm going to wipe your debt away and you might actually live a more meaningful life, it actually resonates.
00:38:33.000And we, as Republicans, you know, we don't recognize there's a huge economic component to this and that not every single human being is going to be able to engage perfectly in the information sharing economy.
00:38:45.000There's actually a huge labor gap in our country for plumbers and for carpenters and for HVAC and for people that lay tile.
00:38:53.000And we have demeaned those trades a lot.
00:38:55.000We've dishonored them to the point that people don't want to have them.
00:38:58.000You know, in my very first debate for this congressional runoff, I think it was back in February.
00:39:04.000We were sitting there and our moderator had gone through all the questions, but then we went to this moment where people in the crowd could ask.
00:39:09.000And there were a few hundred people, maybe four or five hundred people there.
00:39:12.000And anyways, there's this young woman who stood up and she said, you know, my daughter, she graduated, she has her master's degree.
00:39:20.000And she just found out that this person who paints this factory right down the road from her, just literally painting the walls outside, is making more money an hour than she is.
00:39:31.000And, you know, a lot of the other opponents gave their answers of how they thought, you know, we could make sure that that woman could find a meaningful work.
00:39:41.000I think the number one problem right now is that you believe that just because your daughter has a master's degree, she should be making more money than that guy who's created that painting business is out there busting his butt to be able to make money for his family and to better society.
00:39:55.000And so I think we've got to stop dishonoring tradesmen.
00:40:00.000You won because you actually answered the question honestly, unlike the other political class where they want to protect the master's degree.
00:40:06.000Like, no, maybe you studied something stupid, and maybe the guy that's doing something with his hands actually is delivering more value to America.
00:40:16.000But you mentioned something that there was this Renaissance, you know, he created the system, the Renaissance that comes to the United States.
00:40:28.000And Charlie, let's touch on that right now.
00:40:31.000Let's define what a great national ethos could be.
00:40:34.000Because, you know, I think in our country, so many people are just, it's that classic saying, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
00:40:41.000I think so many people in our country do not have a true north.
00:40:45.000You know, me and many of my friends, we all wear these compass necklaces.
00:40:50.000It's a compass that we wear around our necks.
00:40:51.000And it's to remind us that we have a true north, that we know the direction we're going and that we know that, you know, we have a mission statement for our life.
00:41:00.000So anytime we have to make a decision, we can just, you know, compare that decision to this narrowly defined one or two sentence mission statement.
00:41:48.000The downside of that, though, is that we became, I think, overly materialistic.
00:41:52.000We decided to just get points on the deal, send our factories to China because a couple firms will really benefit from that.
00:41:58.000And we didn't really realize the secondary and tertiary costs.
00:42:02.000And when you shut down a factory in Boone, North Carolina, or in Asheville, North Carolina, or in Toledo, Ohio, and 600 jobs just disappear, well, the statistics show that 100 of those 600 people are going to stay perpetually unemployed for the rest of their life.
00:42:16.000And 50 of those 600 people will probably either get into alcoholism or drug addiction.
00:42:21.000Well, then they become a really issue for all of us.
00:42:24.000Tax burden-wise, social fabric falls apart.
00:42:47.000Where we have these garage sales and other countries really don't understand this culture we have in America where we basically say, take everything you can out of my house.
00:43:15.000It's like piles and piles of plastic garbage, right?
00:43:19.000And then I asked him, I said, so if all this just went away and you knew that you would have just a little bit stronger community, would you be okay with that?
00:43:28.000And I think that's the conversation we need to have.
00:43:30.000Like, what if you had half as much plastic crap as you have right now and you'd have a flourishing community?
00:43:35.000And you had a relationship with your neighbor.
00:43:37.000Yeah, and a neighbor, and a school that was properly funded and put together, and just a church that didn't have to beg for ties at the end of the year because there was actually middle-class wages.
00:43:48.000Do you mind your kids walking down the street?
00:44:17.000Like, well, GDP just means, in some ways, just more, you know, I don't know, Lego castles that you're never going to use or, you know, just dusty old, you know, shoes that don't yield allegiance to.
00:44:29.000But the point is, this is that the country, I think, has to get back to a place of self-sufficiency, of production, but also what do we value, right?
00:44:36.000Are we a country that has an economy in it, or are we an economy that happens to be in a country?
00:44:43.000And in some ways, we're a country first, aren't we?
00:44:45.000I mean, if you look at the Constitution, it's very clear that these are our values of a country and a fabric and a moral people, and that the economy will do whatever it wants.
00:45:13.000We subsidize fatherlessness because there are so many financial benefits to these young women to not get married and have more children because then they can get more subsidies for those children.
00:45:49.000But as men and women, we are all like that hatchet.
00:45:52.000We have a destructive side, and we have also the propensity to be able to build something.
00:45:55.000And let me tell you, I believe children who are raised in homes without strong discipline, and it's hard for a mother, although there's a lot of strong single mothers out there who do raise incredible children, are some of the best parents in the world.
00:46:08.000It is very hard for someone to be the disciplinarian and also the loving figure in the home at the same time.
00:46:13.000And that's why I think we have got to have a father and a mother in all the homes because these children are being raised and are not learning that, hey, you know what?
00:46:31.000It's unnatural for us to build, but it has to be cultivated.
00:46:34.000And it's incredibly beautiful because God created that union for a reason.
00:46:38.000Because if you look at it, just from the character attributions trait, the masculine and the feminine traits, they balance each other very beautifully.0.66
00:46:46.000And again, single mothers do a phenomenal job.
00:46:48.000This is not an indictment of single mothers.
00:46:50.000I always do the same sort of prefacing that you do.
00:46:54.000However, every single study shows that a child that is raised by just a single mother is far more likely to go to prison, far more likely to commit crimes.
00:47:01.000So there was a study done by the Illinois Bureau of Prisons where they went and they did a survey of current prisoners.
00:47:07.000And 60% of rapists grew up without a father in the home, 70% of adolescent murderers, 75% of violent criminals.
00:47:13.000I mean, you're talking about not just a majority, but basically almost the entire prison was no fathers.
00:47:21.000And then who pays for rehabilitation and the disrupted family unity and the empty chair at Christmas when Uncle XYZ, Uncle Mark is not there because he had to, he robbed a 7-Eleven.
00:47:31.000And you think, wow, if only Uncle Mark's father was there, then maybe that social cohesion would have stayed together.
00:47:59.000But like you were saying, the masculine side of people and the feminine side, they blend so well together.
00:48:04.000And if you look just from a character attribution, you know, attribute standpoint, it works for a reason and it's designed intelligently by a creator to be able to balance it out, to be able to create children.
00:48:15.000And so children that can exist in a very brutal and likely suffering environment.
00:49:00.000And Asheville just voted to have reparations.
00:49:02.000And so I would love to get your opinion on that.
00:49:04.000And you could, you know, as comfortable as you want to get with that, I can comment on it as well.
00:49:09.000But I want to just first to close the point on the two-parent households.
00:49:12.000A black child who is raised by a mother and a father is more likely to succeed economically and else otherwise than a white kid that is raised by just a single mother.
00:49:21.000And so it's really two-parent privilege that we talk about, not skin color privilege.
00:49:56.000So if you read the actual text that they have written, it's basically what Senator Tim Scott and President Trump have been doing, which is an opportunity zone.
00:51:26.000I mean, so that would be an interesting thing to see.
00:51:29.000And more interestingly, do the Asian Americans get reparations because they were put in concentration camps?
00:51:34.000But no, it's only, it doesn't fit their narrative.
00:51:36.000How about Jewish individuals who literally had an extermination order against them?
00:51:39.000The incredible thing about Jews in the world is there are still not as many Jews in America today, in the world today, as there were prior to the Holocaust.
00:51:57.000And so I think it's incredibly, I'd love to get the answer by the Asheville City Council of what is their criteria of the necessary form of oppression that didn't happen to you, but happened to someone that was related to you to get a redistributed check from the government.
00:52:09.000I want to know the criteria because then once I have the criteria, and if it's their skin color, then LeBron James, if he lived in Asheville, North Carolina, or Michael Jordan even better, would get reparations, right?
00:52:44.000But we can never agree on the definition of terms.
00:52:48.000And so whenever they feel like they're losing an argument, they just change the terms of an argument.
00:52:52.000And that's why it's so hard to have a rational conversation.
00:52:54.000Well, and so you make a great point about the American Civil War, and we did fight a bloody civil war.
00:52:58.000But even before that, we don't teach our history correctly.
00:53:01.000And even some conservative organizations have played into this 1619 lie that our country was founded in 1619, which is a complete and total pernicious lie.
00:53:10.000Some conservative organizations have written op-eds saying that our country is 400 years old.
00:53:42.000And a lesser not talked about provision of the United States Constitution was actually the Sunset Clause on the import of slavery.
00:53:48.000It's Article 1, Section 6, something, and we can get the exact article.
00:53:52.000But what's interesting is that Thomas Jefferson, right, like the worst president ever, according to the left, who's on Mount Rushmore and his statues are being torn down, they say, oh, he's a slave owner.
00:54:57.000And of course, that never gets clearly communicated either as well.
00:55:01.000So I know that's kind of a tangent there, but can you just expound, Madison, on the founding of our country, how beautiful it is, how exceptional it is, and how we need to communicate that.
00:55:10.000I think the big problem is, you know, with the Federal Department of Education being formed back in the 70s, I think the worst crime that it has committed is that it changes what our schools focus on in history class.
00:56:39.000This was the Smithsonian Museum, African American History Museum, funded by your tax dollars.
00:56:42.000They recently took it down because we went so hard after it on cable television and otherwise.
00:56:47.000And basically, they had a document that said that speaking clear English, showing up to work on time, working hard, individual initiative, going to church are attributes of whiteness.
00:56:56.000And the interesting part is you had liberals defending it.
00:56:58.000I said, if I just took your quote and copy-pasted it to a KKK leader in 1870s, there'd be no difference, right?
00:57:04.000Basically, you're just arguing for racial hierarchy and supremacy.
00:57:08.000I reject that because the Republican Party has always been on the side.
00:57:11.000They've always been on actual racial equality, unlike you racists, and that's what they are.
00:57:33.000And so for them, someone to come in and say, oh, you know what, people who show up on time, speak clearly, work hard, that's attributes of white people.
00:57:44.000But also, the fact that I am going to have children that are going to be biracial, you want to go ahead and give them this victimhood mentality.
00:57:57.000It's an abomination what the Democrats are trying to do.
00:57:59.000And they want these people to constantly be in need for the government.
00:58:02.000They don't ever want them to be able to stand on their own.
00:58:04.000And what's interesting, Madison, I've talked about this before, and I want to do this kind of fun thought exercise for you because we, and I recently came to it because I've been reading Orwell.
00:58:12.000I encourage all of you to read Orwell.
00:59:37.000Okay, like, we kind of had, but when all of a sudden it becomes so projected on the opposite of what the other person is doing, we get just so disarmed.
00:59:43.000And in fact, Orwell argued that's how you can control a population because we're not psychologically prepared for that kind of brutal attack on our psyche.
01:02:17.000But I will tell you that we have got to, while being compassionate to them, we have got to fight hard against it because this is a genocide that's happening on our soil.
01:02:39.000And so it's about 3% to 4% of the American population, which comprise about 47% of all the abortions in the country.
01:02:45.000So there are 470,000 black abortions every single year, which I think is just inconscionable.
01:02:51.000So just to give you an idea of what that means, if you go to New York City in particular and you see a pregnant woman on a subway, she's more likely going to the Planned Parenthood Clinic than the delivery room.
01:02:59.000So abortion was promised as being safe, legal, and rare, and it now has become abundant.
01:03:05.000It's a contraceptive part of birth control.
01:03:07.000And I just think that so I'm glad to hear your position on that.
01:03:18.000Right, but that is not what the Second Amendment is about.
01:03:22.000It's not about having a sporting rifle or going out and shooting clays or shooting does, although I enjoy all of those things.
01:03:28.000The Second Amendment is a very grave and very serious amendment on our Constitution because it is designed for us as citizens to be able to stand up to a tyrannical government.
01:03:37.000Because trust me, a tyrannical government is coming.
01:03:41.000I'm not saying it's coming in 10 years.
01:03:43.000But there are greedy people who always want more power and they will stop at no ends to get that.
01:03:48.000And so the greatest weapon we have to be able to fight against that is having a firepower in our own possessions, in citizens' possessions, to where we can offset and counterbalance the military.
01:03:59.000Yeah, and this revisionist history by the left, that somehow we've never seen a usurptatious government.
01:04:03.000I mean, just look at the 20th century.
01:04:05.000I mean, every single continent, they disarm the citizenry and then they take complete and total power.
01:04:11.000I mean, just imagine how the negotiation would be different in Hong Kong if they all had AR-15s.
01:04:39.000So, any other thoughts on the Second Amendment?
01:04:41.000I always say there's no First Amendment without the Second Amendment.
01:04:44.000No, we actually released a really great video on the campaign where we were saying if we lose the Second Amendment and the end line's great, the first will fall.
01:05:00.000Because let me tell you, just as it works in a nation when people are armed, they have sovereignty.
01:05:05.000But I'll tell you, I mean, you know, I'm able to defend myself in a wheelchair because I have a firearm.
01:05:11.000And that dissuades people from ever coming up and wanting to mug me or hurt me or do anything like that because they know that I can defend myself even though I'm in this position.
01:05:20.000I mean, there's a funny saying, which always gets a chuckle, but I think it's relatively pretty true.
01:05:24.000God created all men, Smith and Weston made them equal.
01:05:28.000But it's something that I think is pertinent to the weak being able to defend themselves.
01:05:33.000Yes, and that is a common theme, as you guys can tell, is: are we allowing the weak to be unfairly attacked by the strong, whether it be in the womb, whether it be in the streets, whether it, what do we do for those that can't defend themselves against the strong?
01:05:47.000And I think that's what it means to be a conservative, right?
01:05:49.000Standing up against the exploitation of the weak when the strong decides to be tyrannical.
01:05:54.000And Charlie, you know, I'm not trying to sit here and say that you and I are strong, but I think you and I share that same passion to where we believe it is the God-mandated duty of the strong to protect the weak.
01:06:03.000And I think that's why you and I both probably wake up and work 18-hour days because we care so much about our fellow man that we want to work.
01:06:11.000We will give our blood, sweat, and tears, our treasure.
01:06:14.000We will give ourselves to be able to defend the weak and give them a better society.
01:06:18.000Tyranny should never be allowed to exist without good people standing up against it.
01:06:24.000When tyranny, even in the micro-tyranny, you know, a boss that is tyrannical or a neighbor and you don't do something about it, you're basically tolerating that tyranny to continue to grow.
01:06:33.000And I have a very extended theory on how the Soviet Union actually came to be: is once they saw Lenin go to power and overtake the Romanovs, all of a sudden it gave license to all these mini tyrants to become into power.
01:06:45.000So all the same thing in the Roman Empire right after Caesar fell.
01:07:17.000So, one, I feel like we've messaged that wrong.
01:07:19.000We've made it seem like we're xenophobic, whereas I really believe it's a message of national security.
01:07:24.000You know, we have cartels in our southern borders who do billions of dollars of revenue every single year.
01:07:29.000They showed in October they can defeat the Mexican military whenever they want, and they can successfully get thousands of people across our border every single year.
01:07:36.000I mean, that is a major national security concern that we've got to be able to defeat.
01:07:40.000But more than that, especially right now in the middle of a pandemic, we should not be accepting new people into our country right now.
01:07:46.000Although, I think immigration creates a very strong, adds diversity to our country, especially a merit-based immigration system.
01:07:53.000If we could transfer over to that, I think that would make us the greatest because then, you know, we're basically an NFL team going out saying, Let's get the greatest talent the world has to offer, bring them here, let's create the greatest society the world's ever seen.
01:09:00.000I mean, the only reason I think people should want to defund the police is so the anarchy can reign out, then the people will cry out for a protector, and then we'll have a nationalized police force that answers to the federal government one step closer to tyranny.
01:09:58.000And, you know, as someone who's a landowner, someone who cares about the land, like you were saying, and as a hunter and as someone who's a devout Christian, you know, in Genesis, we're called to be stewards of the earth.
01:10:32.000But right now, I think we should be slashing regulations.
01:10:35.000And I think that we should always, the economy should come first.
01:10:39.000And so if the economy is in a hard position, we should be able to say, hey, let's create opportunities in the entire country, slash regulations, allow companies to really build out and thrive until we get our country back on track.
01:10:51.000I think that we as conservatives get this issue, the environment, so terribly wrong.
01:11:01.000Part of the blessing of living in America is we've been given the most incredible natural resources that we should develop for energy reasons, but also appreciate, protect, and enjoy.
01:11:08.000I mean, the Grand Tetons, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Yellowstone National Park, Bryce Canyon, Acadia National Park, so on and so forth.
01:11:16.000So I'm really pleased to hear you say that.
01:11:52.000But on healthcare, my plan, because I believe that the Republican Party, and it's because they're having to serve these corporate interests, they've never been able to give a concise plan to the American people that people want to get behind.
01:12:04.000And it's always just saying, well, you know, we want to make sure we can make as much profit as we can.
01:12:16.000I believe what we need to do, and the reason we have that, is because there's no competition.
01:12:20.000So I live in Hendersonville, North Carolina, at my house, and this is an extremely simplified analogy of what I think our healthcare system should be.
01:12:29.000But at my house, there are six pizza companies that will all deliver to my house at any time, day or night.
01:12:35.000If I pick up the phone and call one of them, they all know that when I go into Google Pizza Near Me, they know that they are at that moment all competing for my dollar.
01:12:43.000So they are going to want to have the reputation of giving me the best pizza as fast as they can for the lowest cost.
01:12:48.000And right now in North Carolina, Blue Cross Blue Shield has a virtual monopoly over the entire state.
01:14:27.000You know, so I think one of the biggest tragedies in our governing system is that we have, and this is what we were just talking about earlier, there's a lack of transparency.
01:14:37.000There is some, there's things called omnibus bills, which come from the Latin word omni, which is all.
01:14:43.000And so it's these ginormous package bills where they say, hey, just slip everything you can into here.
01:15:07.000Because you have my best interests at heart.
01:15:08.000No, it's because you want to pull the wool over my ass.
01:15:11.000So I think we should have one bill, one subject.
01:15:13.000If the bill doesn't directly pertain to the subject, it shouldn't be allowed in.
01:15:16.000For example, if you want to have NPR funding, have a clean bill on that.
01:15:19.000If you want to have PBS funding, have a bill on that.
01:15:21.000If you want to give everyone $2,000 because of the stimulus, have a bill on that and just vote independently on each one and one bill, one subject would solve so much of that because what they do is like, oh, there's so much nonsense in the bill and all that.
01:15:33.000All right, Madison, we've been through a lot of topics.
01:16:39.000There is a far left, which used to be the fringe element of the Democratic Party, which is now the mainstream, who has taken over, who want to get rid of capitalism, who want to get rid of our Judeo-Christian faith, who want to get rid of our history, who want to fundamentally change our country.
01:16:55.000And they are doing that by winning the hearts and minds of the future generations.
01:16:59.000They use this because they are better at packaging ideas.
01:17:02.000They can put it in shiny objects, which tug on your heartstrings and your sentiments.
01:17:09.000Not only does he have good ideas that will actually do good for you, it makes you feel good about them too, because he explains how it does good for all of society.
01:17:15.000And so I just really want to commend you, Charlie.