The Charlie Kirk Show - Indiana Jones and the Temple of Woke with Libby Emmons and ALX

00:00:00.000 Jack Rozobic filling in for Charlie Kirk today.

00:00:03.000 Incredible set of interviews for you.

00:00:05.000 First, Libby Emmons breaking down transhumanism that we have lost the embrace of our soul, our almighty soul.

00:00:15.000 You have to listen to this interview.

00:00:16.000 And then ALX freshly escaped from the Twitter gulag, breaking down everything that's happening with Elon Musk.

00:00:24.000 How should we move forward with freedom of speech on Twitter?

00:00:28.000 Buckle up.

00:00:29.000 And here we go.

00:00:31.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:32.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:34.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:38.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:41.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:42.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:43.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:50.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

00:00:52.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:00.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:03.000 The new Indiana Jones movie.

00:01:05.000 It's coming out, Indiana Jones 5.

00:01:08.000 And what have they done yet again?

00:01:10.000 What have they done yet again?

00:01:12.000 They are working to introduce a brand new character for the series, for the franchise, because Harrison Ford is getting a little old, 80 years old, by the way.

00:01:23.000 Apparently he was hurt during a lot of the filming.

00:01:25.000 And Kathleen Kennedy, the same mastermind that gave you the incredible Disney Star Wars.

00:01:31.000 Hey, kids, if you like Disney Star Wars, you'll love, you'll absolutely love Disney Indiana Jones, because what we're going to do is we're going to replace Indiana with a sassy and crazy female, female goddaughter who she's going to get the hat. 0.81

00:01:54.000 She's going to get the whip at the very end of it all.

00:01:57.000 And so when I look at stuff like this, it's amazing to me because it's like, this is exactly what you did with Luke Skywalker.

00:02:06.000 You essentially replaced him with this girl that no one's ever heard of who popped up and suddenly, oh, we all have to love her.

00:02:13.000 We all have to do.

00:02:14.000 You're creatively bankrupt.

00:02:16.000 And Kathleen Kennedy is the same person who's involved in all of this.

00:02:20.000 You find some institution or franchise that everybody loves.

00:02:24.000 You come in and you say, by the way, it's not enough.

00:02:28.000 It's not enough that we, you know, you're going to say like, oh, well, Americans, you know, these, you know, the masculine patriarchy would never allow, never, ever allow for a female explorer, a strong female explorer character.

00:02:43.000 Oh, wait, you know, we have the entire Laura Croft franchise.

00:02:45.000 No, it's not enough.

00:02:46.000 Why? 1.00

00:02:47.000 Because Indiana Jones must be, literally be a woman. 1.00

00:02:53.000 This is what you must accept, America, or you're a bigot. 0.99

00:02:57.000 You're a misanthrope. 1.00

00:02:59.000 You're a misogynist. 0.90

00:03:01.000 If you don't accept that Indiana Jones is now a woman, if they can't imagine good stories, they're basically making fanfics. 0.95

00:03:11.000 It's basically fanfiction, right?

00:03:13.000 It's, well, if I were, if I were Indiana Jones, then I would do things.

00:03:19.000 No, Stop.

00:03:20.000 Indiana Jones is Indiana Jones.

00:03:22.000 Okay.

00:03:22.000 You have to stop.

00:03:23.000 I was talking to my kids last night, by the way, and it just four years old.

00:03:27.000 And baby AJ, his birthday is tomorrow, by the way, so he'll be two.

00:03:31.000 But I was talking to Jack Jr. and he's, he's four.

00:03:33.000 I said, and I just kind of ran it by him.

00:03:35.000 And I don't get very political with my kids, but I said, I said, Jack, Jack, can boys become girls?

00:03:42.000 He goes, no.

00:03:43.000 I said, can girls become boys? 0.98

00:03:45.000 And he goes, no.

00:03:47.000 And then I said, well, why not?

00:03:48.000 And he goes, because that's what they are, dad.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:52.000 Exactly.

00:03:53.000 So speaking of, of all things, not just transgender, but also transhuman, we do have finally the great Libby Emmons, the editor-in-chief of the post-millennial, sort of a sort of a co-host for me now on Human Events Daily, which is pretty cool.

00:04:11.000 Libby Emmons, thank you so much for joining the program.

00:04:13.000 Thanks so much, Jack.

00:04:15.000 Glad to be on the show.

00:04:16.000 So by the way, I got your take. 0.87

00:04:18.000 What do you think about this whole Indiana Jones, the female replacement is coming in? 0.98

00:04:23.000 What's going on? 0.99

00:04:24.000 I think it's actually insulting to women that writers and showrunners and whoever else think that the best way to create a woman character is to take a male character and just give her a female body. 1.00

00:04:37.000 That's not how we create organic women characters. 1.00

00:04:40.000 It's just a completely useless way to do it. 0.97

00:04:44.000 The way you write characters is you listen to your characters, you build your characters from the ground up, you dig into their own personal experiences.

00:04:51.000 And I say this as someone who came out of the world of theater and has written dozens of female lead characters.

00:04:59.000 That's how you do it.

00:05:00.000 You don't take a whole bunch of male energy and just put it on a female body. 1.00

00:05:04.000 It's fake. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Everyone knows it's fake. 1.00

00:05:06.000 And these movies fail over and over again. 0.99

00:05:08.000 By the way, even beyond that, the CGI is trash. 1.00

00:05:14.000 I wasn't a fan, by the way, of Avatar because I thought it was a stupid movie, but the CGI, it looks disgusting. 0.99

00:05:20.000 He's riding a horse through the subway and it just looks fake. 1.00

00:05:24.000 The whole thing looks fake and plastic and dumb. 0.98

00:05:27.000 It's like, this is really what, and it's just sad. 0.94

00:05:30.000 It's just very sad to, you know, Harrison, to the character, to the fans.

00:05:36.000 And honestly, even for my kids, right?

00:05:38.000 You know, and that being said, you know, I suppose it shouldn't matter because thanks to Spermageddon, we're not having, you know, men or men are, we're losing our foothold.

00:05:47.000 What can I say in terms of all?

00:05:49.000 But I wanted to talk to you about this latest.

00:05:52.000 And you and I did a riff on human events yesterday on this as well.

00:05:56.000 But we have to get into it again here on the program because Elon Musk, a guy who, you know, and we've been critical of him today.

00:06:05.000 I've said basically, I don't think that anybody should be permanently banned from Twitter if they haven't broken the law.

00:06:14.000 I don't believe that.

00:06:14.000 If you want to talk about tweets, if you want to talk about specific things that should be banned, sure, fine.

00:06:18.000 Let's talk about that.

00:06:21.000 But Libby, you had a piece years ago talking about the transhumanism revolution over in Quillette that got you in a little bit of trouble with that theater group that you were just talking about.

00:06:33.000 Walk us through that.

00:06:34.000 It did.

00:06:35.000 It did.

00:06:36.000 So I had been doing a lot of research into transhumanism and futurism.

00:06:40.000 I had been very fascinated with that.

00:06:42.000 I had been doing research into that for about a year.

00:06:45.000 And I finally realized that I wanted to write about this.

00:06:49.000 I had been inspired in part by Dr. Jordan Peterson's appearances on a few of these podcasts.

00:06:54.000 And I realized that there were undercurrents of transhumanism in Western culture coming down the pike.

00:06:59.000 And we weren't aware of it at all.

00:07:02.000 What I mean by transhumanism is the intentional evolution of human beings with the help of technology towards longevity and towards a transhuman humanity, as you would say.

00:07:18.000 So that's what transhumanism essentially is.

00:07:21.000 These three undercurrents that I was looking at were AI-human interface, as in Neuralink, as well as body hacking, where you could put things like RFID chips in your hands to open your garage door opener, things like that.

00:07:36.000 And also transgender ideology.

00:07:38.000 Of course, it was transgender ideology coming from an indie theater background that got me into trouble with all of my non-binary feminist lesbian theater friends who were saying to me that I had essentially posited that transgender people were weird futuristic robot people and then I needed to apologize to everyone.

00:08:00.000 I hadn't said that at all in Quillette, but there it is.

00:08:04.000 But actually, that being said, and I'm so sorry that happened, but at the same time, it's sort of, you know, we all have this sort of story about how we got jumped in right to the gang.

00:08:12.000 Right.

00:08:14.000 But walk me through that because that's interesting.

00:08:17.000 What would you say is the ideological connection there?

00:08:21.000 What were you discussing?

00:08:21.000 What was your thesis?

00:08:23.000 I was saying that all of these things essentially answer the Cartesian question of the mind-body split and say that objectively, mind and body are two separate things, that what you do to the body has nothing to do with the mind and the reverse being true as well, I would say, for these technologies.

00:08:42.000 I thoroughly disagree with that.

00:08:44.000 I believe in human beings.

00:08:46.000 I believe we were created in God's image.

00:08:48.000 I believe that the body matters.

00:08:50.000 I believe that what you do to your body has an impact on your mind and what you do to your mind has an impact on your body.

00:08:56.000 We see this all the time.

00:08:58.000 We keep getting smacked in the face with it over and over.

00:09:01.000 Yet we continue to say, you know, that we can do anything to our bodies and it doesn't matter.

00:09:06.000 There are so many elements of this in our culture that we can look at.

00:09:11.000 And we also have essentially abandoned the concept of an everlasting soul, which I think is really a shame.

00:09:18.000 And you have a lot of kids today.

00:09:20.000 And when they feel meaninglessness or, you know, a spiritual gap, they attribute it to a psychological condition.

00:09:28.000 And they go off in search of drugs and medical cures when what they really need is a spiritual solution.

00:09:35.000 Couldn't agree more.

00:09:36.000 Libby, we're going to stick with you because we have to talk more about how this effective altruism of SBF and humanism of Elon Musk is leading us down this path of trying to put chips in our brains, removing a small part of your skull, a quarter-sized hole, and replacing it with a Fitbit.

00:09:56.000 That's what Elon Musk said.

00:09:58.000 It's not me.

00:09:58.000 It's not Libby Emmons.

00:09:59.000 It's not Charlie Kirk.

00:10:00.000 That's Elon Musk. 0.68

00:10:02.000 A Fitbit in your skull.

00:10:04.000 By the way, I mentioned that's a tiny date last night.

00:10:06.000 I was supposed to say it did not go over well.

00:10:11.000 And Libby, let's get into this now.

00:10:14.000 Elon Musk telling us that, and it's similar to what you said before, that there's that we're just not enough on our own.

00:10:22.000 You know, we're basically cyborgs, his words, we're basically cyborgs already because of our cell phones and our, you know, our smart devices, the internet of things.

00:10:32.000 So this is really just all it's doing is just taking another step.

00:10:36.000 And, you know, it's just your garage door opener, you know, that's going to be implanted in your hand now.

00:10:42.000 It's just a Fitbit, but it's going to be in your skull.

00:10:44.000 It's just a new interface for the internet, but it's going to be inside your eyelids, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

00:10:49.000 And so inside your, you know, maybe your optic nerve.

00:10:54.000 What are we losing by going down this path?

00:10:57.000 What is happening?

00:10:57.000 What has really happened?

00:10:59.000 What's really happening is we are losing what it means to be human and we are also losing in many ways the ability to be independent and autonomous beings.

00:11:11.000 Part of what Elon Musk has talked about with Neuralink and many others in the technology space have talked about it.

00:11:18.000 It's not just Elon Musk.

00:11:19.000 There's other companies who are undertaking this as well.

00:11:23.000 Of course, Musk is really quite an entrepreneur.

00:11:26.000 So he's at the forefront of this, as with so many things.

00:11:29.000 But part of the goal is not just to, You know, have your own data port in your brain that can be fed from the data stream that is out there, but to connect human beings to one another via these data ports, via this stream, so that you would have each individual literally in a hive mind.

00:11:53.000 And we would not necessarily know where our thoughts stop, where the data stream begins, where the thoughts of other human beings are.

00:12:01.000 When you think about how easy it is to, when you're not paying attention, to take in advertising, right?

00:12:09.000 Anytime you watch a little kid watching TV in the lead up to Christmas, and the next thing you know, he's watching ads for Legos.

00:12:15.000 And then the next thing you know, Mom, I want this Lego set.

00:12:18.000 I want that.

00:12:19.000 Oh, did you just see it on TV?

00:12:20.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 Oh, well, you should have heard what Jack Jack said.

00:12:23.000 You know, actually, funny enough, because he's been super into Legos lately, but then he goes up to Santa last night and, you know, what would you like, you know, little boy?

00:12:32.000 He goes, Santa, I want a zoo.

00:12:35.000 I saw you said that on Twitter.

00:12:38.000 And then he said, oh, you mean like a toy zoo?

00:12:40.000 And he goes, no, I mean a zoo.

00:12:41.000 I mean, I want a zoo for Christmas.

00:12:44.000 Literally.

00:12:45.000 And I said, I came back to me.

00:12:47.000 I said, Son, you've never mentioned anything about this at all.

00:12:50.000 He goes, so I want a zoo.

00:12:51.000 So now, so now we have to get him.

00:12:53.000 You have to get him a zoo now, obviously.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, but if he were connected to the hive mind, then a zoo could just magically come to your door.

00:13:03.000 Perhaps Amazon will have it set up so that whatever you think just magically appears.

00:13:07.000 But yeah, so what we're losing is our humanity.

00:13:09.000 We are losing our soul in many ways.

00:13:12.000 We are losing our individuality.

00:13:14.000 And the potential to lose things is actually even greater.

00:13:18.000 If you think about authoritarian countries and really oppressive societies, what does it mean for a dissident to have thoughts about how to stage a protest when they are connected to a hive mind?

00:13:30.000 And those thoughts, the data is going both ways.

00:13:34.000 What does that mean?

00:13:35.000 How easy will it be for governments to literally become thought police and to use your thoughts against you?

00:13:41.000 What about also in a spiritual sense?

00:13:43.000 Because the idea behind the concept of free will from a theological perspective is that you come to God of your own volition.

00:13:57.000 God could have made automatons and robots and mental slaves and all of this that you will love me.

00:14:03.000 But God didn't do that.

00:14:04.000 God said, I want to create humans with free will, sentience, and a conscience, but not force their directions.

00:14:17.000 Yeah.

00:14:19.000 I, you know, that is the thing that keeps bringing me back to theology as an adult, looking at that and realizing that God wanted God wanted people to really love him, to not be told to love him, but to actually come to them, come to him of their own free will and to seek out God's guidance on their own, which I think is just such a beautiful concept for mankind and for Christianity.

00:14:46.000 I think we lose a sense of free will 100% when we start talking about being interconnected with data streams.

00:14:54.000 And we don't know who the puppet masters are who are controlling that.

00:14:57.000 Certainly it's not God.

00:14:59.000 Certainly it has nothing to do with our souls or with meaning.

00:15:03.000 And it deprives us of our ability to think for ourselves, to think critically, to form our own perspectives, and to interact organically with the world around us.

00:15:14.000 But Libby Emmons, go follow her.

00:15:16.000 She's been co-hosting, will be co-hosting with me again on Human Events Daily tonight.

00:15:20.000 Make sure you read this piece, humanevents.com, and the post-millennial editor-in-chief just fantastic, fantastic work.

00:15:25.000 Thank you very much, Libby, and God bless you for all of this.

00:15:29.000 And we need to understand we're doing away with our spirituality and committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

00:15:38.000 A Twitter POW who's released from the gulags, someone who is a veteran of the great meme war of 2015 and 16 himself, ladies and gentlemen, the great ALX joins us, graces us with his presence.

00:15:56.000 ALX, thank you so much for joining us here at Charlie Kirk Show.

00:16:00.000 Thanks for having me, Jack.

00:16:02.000 So I got to get into it.

00:16:03.000 We got to get right into it.

00:16:05.000 You had a tweet thread and an op-ed getting into this.

00:16:09.000 And we've been talking about it all day here, back and forth, about the permanent banning, Elon Musk's permanent ban of Kanye West.

00:16:16.000 It came in last night.

00:16:19.000 You have a lot to say about this.

00:16:22.000 You had a lot to say about it at the time.

00:16:23.000 We've been asking people to email us, freedom at charliekirk.com about it.

00:16:28.000 But walk us through your tweet thread that you sent to Elon just prior to the ban and this system of a quote timeout period for repeat multiple violations that I think is a very interesting issue.

00:16:47.000 Very interesting system.

00:16:48.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 So ideally, I wouldn't like to see any suspensions or any bans for lawful speech.

00:16:55.000 But as a middle ground, because I know there's a lot of pressure from advertisers and just in general online for people who like intentionally violate the terms of service and abuse the fact that Elon wants to make it a free speech platform.

00:17:10.000 I think until the terms of service can be properly modified, I think the best course of action is to institute what I proposed of being a temporary suspension period.

00:17:23.000 Twitter already has sort of this, but it's kind of arbitrary.

00:17:28.000 They have like 12 hour suspensions, week suspensions, three day suspensions.

00:17:32.000 But what I outlined is sort of the first strike is kind of like a warning.

00:17:37.000 You get a 12 hour lockout.

00:17:39.000 And then if you come back from that and then intentionally violate the terms of service like right away, then it would increase each time.

00:17:48.000 And those would stay on your account for 90 days up until like the most pre like the previous violation.

00:17:55.000 And I think that's a way to get rid of permanent bans altogether for lawful speech.

00:18:00.000 Because hypothetically, if somebody was a bad actor and continued to violate the terms of service, they would basically keep offending.

00:18:10.000 And then it would be a longer period of time each time if they like hadn't had good behavior for 90 days.

00:18:19.000 And again, I know this isn't like an ideal solution.

00:18:23.000 And I believe the terms of service need to be clarified more because some people are saying that's a religious symbol that he tweeted.

00:18:29.000 I know it's open to interpretation.

00:18:32.000 And due to his comments yesterday as well, that's why everyone's interpreting it the other way.

00:18:37.000 But it needs to be more, the terms of service need to be more specific in terms of what violates their policies.

00:18:45.000 Cause I don't think that was an insight into violence.

00:18:48.000 Well, and so, you know, and I just had Derry Beattie on ahead of you a couple of segments ago talking about this.

00:18:54.000 And it's this sort of idea that I think people have gotten into this theory that when it comes to, so let's take it the two highest profile.

00:19:04.000 Well, the one is that he refused to unban Alex Jones, right?

00:19:08.000 But then unbans Donald Trump and you on the same day.

00:19:14.000 But also has said that he's banning Kanye West.

00:19:18.000 And he posted that tweet last night, you know, mess around and find out.

00:19:22.000 And so the question that I had for Darren, and we were sort of teasing this out, was does this because if you remember, his reasoning for the Alex Jones ban was a personal reason, right?

00:19:33.000 He brought up a personal reason.

00:19:35.000 And we've seen, now he didn't state this with respect to Kanye.

00:19:40.000 And by the way, I'm going through the emails again here.

00:19:43.000 And I've yet to actually see one person say they agree with a permanent ban of Kanye West.

00:19:48.000 I'm actually surprised.

00:19:48.000 I thought we get at least one.

00:19:50.000 And maybe I'm asking if they can go back and look.

00:19:52.000 But they said, you know, the last one we just have here, it says, thank you for guest hosting, Jack.

00:19:58.000 You're blah, blah, blah. 0.94

00:19:59.000 You're a good guy.

00:20:00.000 No, I don't think Ye should be banned at all.

00:20:02.000 Nothing he said was a direct threat of violence or libeling anyone.

00:20:06.000 Yes, his remarks were disgraceful.

00:20:08.000 Okay.

00:20:09.000 And this is from Christopher, but not illegal.

00:20:13.000 And I haven't gotten a single email yet.

00:20:15.000 We haven't gotten an email yet today saying that they agree with, again, a permanent ban.

00:20:20.000 We're not talking about the tweet itself, but to your point as well, when we're talking about terms of service, and I also asked, you know, asked Aaron, the timing, I think, matters as well, because Elon has just taken over Twitter.

00:20:32.000 And so there isn't really a system in place yet for something like this.

00:20:36.000 Kanye, of course, goes out, pushes the envelope, tests the limits, and gets a response.

00:20:41.000 And so I get, and but my point is, though, he's posting direct text messages with Elon Musk.

00:20:49.000 And then he's posting them on True Social and they're going back and forth.

00:20:52.000 And so again, it seems like it's another thing that's in this category of something that's personal to Elon.

00:20:58.000 And so, you know, I'm okay with that, I guess, as long as it's transparent, right?

00:21:02.000 As long as we know what's going on, that's certainly better than what we had before if we look at it in the aggregate sense.

00:21:08.000 But do you think that I'm not asking you to reveal anything, but do you think that there might be an opening for the kind of thing you're outlining about this, you know, period of timeouts that could expand, contract, that would reset itself?

00:21:25.000 It's, you know, almost like a video game, really, you know, where you get a hit counter and then you're and then you're off the battlefield and you have to wait for your respawn.

00:21:34.000 Boom, you get your respawn in.

00:21:37.000 Sorry to folks who aren't gamers out there.

00:21:38.000 I have no idea what I'm talking about either.

00:21:40.000 But, you know, it's this idea that you would be able to come back, right?

00:21:44.000 The idea that you would regenerate your ability to come back.

00:21:48.000 Again, as long as you complied with whatever the terms of service are.

00:21:52.000 Yeah, I think there's a possibility for it.

00:21:54.000 And not to give like Google any credit, but YouTube has a similar system with their three strike system.

00:21:59.000 But the only thing I disagree with is that like the after the third strike, it's permanent.

00:22:04.000 I like the idea of a 90-day period to have a hard reset as like a better system.

00:22:10.000 And then also something that Twitter has always lacked is there's nothing on your profile where you can go and look at your account status.

00:22:16.000 Like, do I have any like outstanding warnings like in the past?

00:22:21.000 Have I been suspended before?

00:22:24.000 Yes, yes.

00:22:25.000 Other social media that are more transparent.

00:22:28.000 And again, I don't like to give Facebook or Google any credit, but you can at least see where your account stands.

00:22:34.000 With Twitter, it's very trouble with Facebook right now.

00:22:37.000 I've got a 90-day warning on my Facebook right now because I said something about child traffickers that Facebook didn't like.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, I wonder why.

00:22:48.000 But yeah, the other thing too, that's curious is that so Ye's suspension was actually, it started off as a 12-hour suspension.

00:22:55.000 So I don't know how he was suspended for 12 hours, but then it ended up being permanent if he maybe like had another tweet violated.

00:23:06.000 I'm not, I don't like that idea too.

00:23:07.000 It's like if you have one violation and you're walked out, I don't, I don't think you should be able to have another tweet actioned like previous tweets because that's right.

00:23:17.000 That's exactly what I think happened though, because I think the initial tweet triggered the 12-hour suspension through the whatever system they have that's currently set up.

00:23:27.000 But then I think Elon himself personally got involved and said, no, ban, ban the account.

00:23:33.000 That's and then he posts, because remember, Elon posted his tweet.

00:23:36.000 Think of the timing.

00:23:37.000 Elon posted his tweet, mess around and find out.

00:23:40.000 And then Kanye West was banned completely.

00:23:44.000 And interestingly enough, just for the backstory of this, we wouldn't even know that he had had the initial 12-hour ban had he not posted it himself on social.

00:23:54.000 So we're beyond meta on this one.

00:23:58.000 We're through several looking glasses on this, but it's interesting to see it all play out in real time.

00:24:05.000 And again, it's more transparent than what we had in the past.

00:24:09.000 And at least there's some sort of reasoning given, like being given.

00:24:12.000 But again, I don't agree that was an insight into violence at all.

00:24:17.000 But again, like in my case, I got like zero, zero discourse from Twitter and they just shut me off for two and a half years without any sort of reasoning at all and not pointing to a single tweet or anything.

00:24:33.000 And again, I think their terms of service need to be completely updated because this is just like not tenable.

00:24:41.000 And he's even said it.

00:24:42.000 He's like, the terms of service haven't changed since I have taken over yet.

00:24:46.000 But like, I think they should, honestly.

00:24:49.000 No, I agree with you on that in terms of that, certainly.

00:24:51.000 But also at the same time, I do, I think it's better.

00:24:56.000 Okay.

00:24:57.000 I think it's better to have a king than have a faceless oligarchy like we had in the past at Twitter.

00:25:04.000 And I say that as a Twitter user, a prominent Twitter user, that I'd rather at least know and respect someone for their personal decisions, even if they are personal decisions, even if they are idiosyncratic, than this sort of nameless, faceless, oh, it's the trust and safety board, the ministry of trust, the ministry of integrity.

00:25:26.000 We're doing this for your own good.

00:25:28.000 I even remember what Vijaya used to say, well, we want to promote healthy conversations.

00:25:34.000 Healthy conversations.

00:25:35.000 What in God's name does that mean?

00:25:38.000 Is this a healthy conversation?

00:25:39.000 And who are you?

00:25:41.000 Who are you to say that we are having a healthy conversation?

00:25:44.000 How about a healthy disagreement?

00:25:46.000 Okay.

00:25:47.000 How about a healthy argument?

00:25:48.000 Why can't we have that?

00:25:49.000 In terms of that's that is obviously the point of freedom of speech in the first place.

00:25:53.000 It's not about freedom of speech is not about speech that you agree with.

00:25:57.000 It's about speech that you disagree with.

00:25:58.000 You don't have to say that you, if someone, you agree with someone, you don't have to say, well, I respect their right to freedom of speech, right?

00:26:05.000 It's about speech that you do disagree with.

00:26:06.000 It's about speech that you don't want.

00:26:08.000 But I want to get into this also idea of potentially a Twitter safe mode that people would be able to opt into, or maybe it's even the default feature and you opt out of it to say, no, you know, it's, it's, you know, going back to video games, it's all right, you know, my, am I playing Twitter on easy mode or hard mode?

00:26:24.000 You know, do I want savage mode, you know, safe mode or savage mode?

00:26:28.000 You, you can get one or the other when you initially signed into Twitter.

00:26:31.000 And I, I do think that it's interesting, at least that so much is open, but I would agree with you that, that Kanye definitely, and yay, excuse me, I don't mean dead name folks, that he was definitely, he was definitely testing things too quickly.

00:26:47.000 Obviously, goes as far as he possibly could, just ODs on red pills, and then gets us into a situation, gets himself into a situation where Elon said, look, I just banned the account.

00:26:57.000 But, you know, and last slide on this real quick, and we'll hold you over the break.

00:27:02.000 But do you think, do you think, do you think it's actually permanent or would Elon let him back?

00:27:06.000 Yeah, I don't think it's going to be permanent.

00:27:08.000 Honestly, well, first of all, he has his phone number.

00:27:10.000 He's going to be texting him about it.

00:27:11.000 Second of all, people are lobbying him behind the scenes who are close with both of them.

00:27:18.000 And third, you've already seen Kathy Griffin, who she violated the terms of service overtly and was doing it on purpose, and she's been brought back.

00:27:26.000 So it was sort of more a sign to them, a signal to them that, hey, this type of behavior will result in a permanent ban, but you're getting one warning, and now we're going to enforce it.

00:27:45.000 Because at the same time, we're talking about post facto rulings here that he legitimately thought he could do this and he wouldn't be banned, right?

00:27:55.000 Well, and again, who's to say it's inciting to violence or not?

00:27:58.000 Well, it's Elon Musk, isn't it?

00:27:59.000 It's Elon Musk's decision to say this is inciting violence or this isn't.

00:28:03.000 It is his platform.

00:28:04.000 And certainly we should respect that.

00:28:10.000 What do you think is going to happen six months from now?

00:28:13.000 Do you think that there's going to be any more mass reinstatements?

00:28:19.000 We're going to see more of a system in place.

00:28:22.000 Or do you think it's going to be more of this, which does feel a little bit, I'm just going to say it, it feels a little chaotic?

00:28:27.000 I think part of the chaos is on purpose.

00:28:31.000 Because so if you notice at the start of this week, so he, like last week, he held the poll about reinstatements and said it would start this week.

00:28:40.000 And then he had a whole whole different thing at the beginning of this week.

00:28:44.000 He picked a fight with Apple and then that got resolved pretty quickly.

00:28:47.000 So I think, so before he would want to reinstate all of these accounts, which would scare advertisers and scare platforms like Apple and Google, I think he wanted to pick the fight and get it solved before at a time because he knew it was coming down the line if he reinstated all these accounts.

00:29:05.000 I do think reinstatements are coming, but the only thing is they can't flip a switch and reinstate everyone at once because he does want to keep off the people that were legitimately banned for illegal content or for like spam and bot forms.

00:29:23.000 But what it looks like they're doing, and I read a report on this, is that they're reinstating the bigger accounts that they can vet thoroughly, more thoroughly, easily, because like bigger name accounts, like over a million and then over 10,000.

00:29:38.000 And they're going to bring those back first.

00:29:41.000 And they're kind of going to do it in waves.

00:29:44.000 I do think in the meantime, before like Twitter Blue and everything is fully operational, it's going to be kind of more chaotic because he has to keep that balance of pleasing the advertisers that are leaving before another revenue stream starts generating in because Twitter Blue is currently paused and they're making like only, I think it's 90% of their money off of advertisers.

00:30:09.000 So that's currently the only real revenue that they're generating other than people who are already subscribed.

00:30:15.000 I think it's supposed to relaunch today, but who knows?

00:30:19.000 But yeah, until they have a broader base of Twitter Blue users and other sources of revenue, I think it's going to be more kind of chaotic, unfortunately.

00:30:29.000 And by the way, you know, huge attack on Elon today from the New York Times.

00:30:35.000 Let's do this headline.

00:30:36.000 Hate speeches rise on Twitter is unprecedented.

00:30:41.000 Researchers find.

00:30:42.000 They wrote, Musk, quote, sent up the bat signal to every kind of racist, misogynist, and homophobe that Twitter was open for business.

00:30:51.000 The head of the research groups said, but Elon responding to that just now, utterly false.

00:30:57.000 And I've said this before.

00:30:58.000 This is how the disinformation archipelago works.

00:31:01.000 They have their research units and the research unit of the censorship arm, the researcher comes up with this totally bogus study.

00:31:09.000 And they come in with whether they're at Stanford, whether they're at Harvard.

00:31:13.000 There's a few of these out there, right?

00:31:15.000 Where they'll say, in their estimation, right?

00:31:19.000 Based on their data, their analysis, all of these horrible things are happening.

00:31:25.000 And then the media reports what the researcher said.

00:31:28.000 And then the media puts pressure on the platform to say, oh, you need to ban these people.

00:31:33.000 You need to ban this.

00:31:34.000 You need to censor more.

00:31:35.000 But Elon, at least, is coming back and just publicly stating false.

00:31:38.000 No, I'm not going to do that.

00:31:40.000 And so I've said, look, I've said before, when it comes to Elon, all right, praise him when he does well, but call him out when he does something we don't like, permanent bans.

00:31:49.000 I'm not for permanent bans.

00:31:51.000 Just in general, I'm not for that.

00:31:53.000 But at the same time, calling out the New York Times.

00:31:56.000 Oh, yeah, 100%.

00:31:58.000 So 30 seconds left.

00:31:59.000 ALX, how do people, this is a great question for you, right?

00:32:02.000 How do people follow you?

00:32:04.000 Can they follow you on Twitter by any chance?

00:32:07.000 Yes, Twitter at ALX.

00:32:11.000 And I am, yeah, I'm the same way.

00:32:13.000 I'm pushing get back against Elon as much as I can in things like this.

00:32:17.000 And my idea for the hate speech thing would be take their list that they currently have because they've been publishing reports of hate speech engagements and let users opt in or out to seeing hate speech or not.

00:32:30.000 So instead of, because he's currently saying that freedom of reach is not freedom of reach.

00:32:36.000 Hey, ALX, we're totally out of time, man.

00:32:38.000 But I completely agree with you, right?

00:32:40.000 Have a safe mode.

00:32:41.000 People could opt into it, opt out of it.

00:32:43.000 It's great, folks.

00:32:44.000 Make sure to catch me on Human Events Daily tonight.

00:32:46.000 We've got a huge Sunday special coming up at 10 a.m. on Sunday with Matt Tiermond all about the uprising in Brazil and the fact that the CCP is trying to take over Brazil.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 04, 2022

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Woke with Libby Emmons and ALX

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