The Charlie Kirk Show - Industrial-Scale Human Trafficking with Sheriff Mark Lamb and Jack Posobiec

00:00:00.000 Welcome, everybody, to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:02.000 This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show, filling in for Charlie, who's taking the week off.

00:00:08.000 But meanwhile, we have lots to go over.

00:00:09.000 We have Sheriff Mark Lamb, who walks through what the heck is going on on the border, just how bad it is, what he's seeing in his sector alone, and why the Biden administration is basically thumbing their noses at American citizens and doing a lot of lip service.

00:00:26.000 He has the goods.

00:00:27.000 He's actually doing the work right now.

00:00:30.000 We also bring in Jack Pasobic, who we talk about what it means to respect this country and why this is such a farce.

00:00:36.000 He's actually calling in from Eastern Europe, and the contrast couldn't be clearer.

00:00:41.000 You're not going to want to miss these conversations with Jack and Sheriff Lamb.

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00:01:30.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:31.000 This is producer Andrew Colvett filling in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who's taking some much-needed RR this week.

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00:01:42.000 Hour two, just getting started.

00:01:44.000 We have a great guest in store for you, Sheriff Mark Lamb from Pinal County, Arizona.

00:01:49.000 Sheriff, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:51.000 Thank you, Andrew.

00:01:52.000 I appreciate you having me on.

00:01:53.000 Well, we appreciate you coming in and giving us an update.

00:01:56.000 Just let's start with the basics here.

00:01:58.000 Tell us what you're seeing on the ground.

00:02:00.000 In the last few weeks, have you seen a surge ahead of Title 42 being removed by the Biden administration?

00:02:09.000 Have you already seen those numbers skyrocket?

00:02:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:12.000 The numbers have been up for the last two years.

00:02:14.000 They continue to go up every day, every month.

00:02:18.000 And now we expect them to really increase.

00:02:21.000 I'll tell you right now, as we speak, my guy is dealing with two cars that were traveling together down the US 60 from Superior because they're trying to bypass the I-10 freeway where we are pulling our traffic stops.

00:02:34.000 One of those vehicles had 11 people in it.

00:02:37.000 One of them had 14 people in it.

00:02:39.000 We have arrested the drivers, but there's 25 illegals in two cars that were driving tandem down the 60. 0.91

00:02:46.000 And we're dealing with that right now as we speak.

00:02:50.000 So I want to, you know, obviously it's been bad for two years.

00:02:54.000 You know, Maorkis is, and that's important, right?

00:02:58.000 Because what we're seeing is that Mallorkis, Secretary Mayorkas, is now claiming that it's Congress's fault for this spike.

00:03:05.000 It's Congress for failing to, you know, the euphemism that they always used to throw out there, immigration reform.

00:03:11.000 Let's go ahead and play cut 94.

00:03:15.000 Secretary Mayorkas blaming Congress.

00:03:18.000 I cannot overemphasize that our current situation is the outcome of Congress leaving a broken, outdated immigration system in place for over two decades, despite unanimous agreement that we desperately need legislative reform.

00:03:36.000 So he says we need legislative reform, Sheriff.

00:03:39.000 But you, being on the front lines of this crisis, can pinpoint that there was a before and after, can you not?

00:03:45.000 So if it was Congress's fault, why was it distinctly better under President Trump?

00:03:50.000 And even for that matter, President Obama.

00:03:52.000 What changed that caused this crisis to escalate?

00:03:56.000 The administration, the leadership in border and border patrol and in DHS is what changed.

00:04:02.000 You know, the sign of weak leadership is blaming other people.

00:04:06.000 Whether it is Congress's fault or not, he is in charge and he should accept that responsibility.

00:04:12.000 That's what a good leader would do and get to fixing it.

00:04:15.000 You know, he's all this time he's been telling everybody it wasn't a problem, that there wasn't a crisis, that the border was under control.

00:04:22.000 Now that he realizes he can no longer hide that from the American people, now all of a sudden it's Congress's fault.

00:04:28.000 Well, let me remind you: just a short two, six months ago, and for the two years previous to that, there was one party that controlled the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

00:04:41.000 And I spoke, and I spoke back in about a month and a half ago at a congressional hearing in D.C. I actually said this to one of the Democrat members of Congress.

00:04:53.000 I said, listen, you guys had the House, the Senate, and the presidency, but failed to pass any comprehensive immigration reform.

00:05:00.000 So it's both Republicans and Democrats failing the people on this level of immigration.

00:05:06.000 However, border security, regardless of what the immigration laws are, can still be maintained.

00:05:12.000 And President Trump proved that over four years by reducing it to the levels we've never seen before.

00:05:19.000 So I don't buy his argument, and it's a sign of poor leadership to blame somebody else.

00:05:24.000 Yeah, well, I mean, Andy Biggs, somebody you and I both know and appreciate, he's been calling for the impeachment of Secretary Mayorkis for basic dereliction of duty and for flouting our immigration laws.

00:05:37.000 I think the time is now.

00:05:38.000 Why not now?

00:05:39.000 The border, this crisis has escalated to astronomical proportions.

00:05:43.000 It's been bad for years.

00:05:44.000 We all know it's been bad for years.

00:05:46.000 But why then, Sheriff, did Biden come into office and then instantly stop building the wall?

00:05:53.000 Why did he come in and revoke Remain in Mexico?

00:05:55.000 And why did he fight in the courts for years to get rid of Title 42?

00:05:58.000 President Trump was using our leverage with these countries in the Northern Triangle, for example, also with Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, to stop this sea of migration.

00:06:12.000 And yet, in one fell swoop, this administration has taken something that was relatively under control and turned it into an absolute disaster.

00:06:20.000 So I want to bring back Secretary America's because he went on the offense this morning.

00:06:25.000 He wanted to reassure everybody, cast blame, like you just said.

00:06:28.000 But he also wanted to say that this does not mean our border is open.

00:06:32.000 Title 42 does not mean our border is open.

00:06:34.000 I'm going to ask for your reaction on the other side of this.

00:06:36.000 Play Cut 86.

00:06:38.000 Let me be clear.

00:06:40.000 The lifting of the Title 42 public health order does not mean our border is open.

00:06:47.000 In fact, it is the contrary.

00:06:51.000 Now, you are an expert on this.

00:06:53.000 You were on the front lines.

00:06:55.000 Does Title 42, the revoking of it?

00:06:57.000 And he also later went on to mention Title VIII.

00:07:00.000 This is this new thing he's saying, Title VIII.

00:07:02.000 What is in brass tax it for us?

00:07:04.000 Does the removal of Title 42 mean that our borders are open?

00:07:09.000 Does it really?

00:07:11.000 It matters what they say.

00:07:13.000 It's what they do.

00:07:14.000 And their actions have sent a message across the world that we're not going to hold people accountable.

00:07:20.000 So it doesn't matter that they say, hey, listen, the border is not open.

00:07:25.000 That's kind of what they do.

00:07:27.000 But really, what they're saying is their words mean nothing because their actions tell the cartels and tell all the people coming here illegally that you won't be sent back.

00:07:36.000 You won't be thrown in jail.

00:07:38.000 You won't be held accountable for breaking our laws.

00:07:41.000 And the actions matter more than the words.

00:07:44.000 So, you know, that's really, and I want to go back to one thing you said: is Joe Biden said two years ago, two and a half years ago, he said he wanted to reinvent America.

00:07:55.000 That was his campaign slogan.

00:07:57.000 And one of the ways you do that is you undermine the rule of law.

00:08:00.000 And a great way to undermine the rule of law is by opening the border and flooding our communities with unknown people, flooding our streets with people that could be criminals.

00:08:10.000 They can be sex offenders.

00:08:11.000 We have no idea because they haven't done their job.

00:08:14.000 And then they're flooding our communities with dangerous drugs, in particular fentanyl, which has become the leading cause of death amongst Americans.

00:08:22.000 And that is how you undermine the rule of law, especially for us and local law enforcement, because we have no ability to enforce immigration.

00:08:29.000 That has been time and time again reaffirmed by the federal government and the courts that it is their responsibility.

00:08:35.000 So when you talk about opening the borders, it reinvents America by undermining the rule of law and making our job very difficult, creating even greater need for federal government, which is where we cannot continue to look for the federal government for the answers.

00:08:52.000 They are the problem, not the answer.

00:08:54.000 Well, yeah, and don't look to Katie Hobbs to be taking any bold stands at the border at the state level.

00:09:00.000 And, you know, I mean, at least Texas has a fighting chance, right, of sending some of its own personnel to the border to augment the force that the CBP is.

00:09:12.000 I mean, and that's actually what I was planning on asking about it.

00:09:14.000 You interact with a lot of CBP, Customs and Border Patrol folks.

00:09:18.000 You know them.

00:09:18.000 You work alongside them.

00:09:21.000 Probably your two offices coordinate at some level.

00:09:24.000 What are they saying?

00:09:26.000 Where's morale at?

00:09:27.000 I mean, are they essentially, it feels like we have turned them into glorified paper pushers, right? 0.95

00:09:34.000 They basically are processing the orders from my Orcas is just process faster.

00:09:38.000 Let more people in.

00:09:40.000 They're glorified paper pushers and babysitters.

00:09:43.000 They're very frustrated.

00:09:45.000 They don't like what's going on.

00:09:46.000 They feel like they're aiding and abetting in this human smuggling organization because they're now having to take people and drop them off into our communities.

00:09:54.000 We talked to a guy the other day that said they had to drop off like a thousand people into Tucson, which were people from India, from Brazil, from Africa, from all these different countries.

00:10:07.000 They weren't even people from Mexico.

00:10:09.000 And so this is what we're going to be dealing with.

00:10:12.000 And now the governor, we met with the governor yesterday.

00:10:14.000 Their plan is not to enforce or to help stop the problem.

00:10:19.000 Their plan is really just to, as far as it relates to law enforcement, is search and rescue, which we do anyway.

00:10:25.000 We don't really need the help of the state if they want to help cover some of the costs of the fuel and all that that are going to increase because we have to go get people out of the desert. 0.93

00:10:33.000 But that was it.

00:10:34.000 Other than that, it's all about transporting these people coming in this country illegally, housing them, trying to accommodate them. 0.99

00:10:41.000 And it sends a really bad message.

00:10:44.000 And what we ask the consistent on the messaging, and the messaging should be that here in Arizona, you will be held accountable.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

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00:12:09.000 We have seen the effectiveness of our approach.

00:12:12.000 More than 100,000 people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela have arrived lawfully through the pathway we have made available to them.

00:12:22.000 And we reduced border encounters from these groups by 90% between December of last year and March of this year.

00:12:31.000 All right, Sheriff Mark Lamb, you just heard Secretary Mayorka saying that his policies are working and actually, you know, we're just letting a lot more people in legally so that there's no more border encounters.

00:12:44.000 Is that what he's just saying right there?

00:12:46.000 Is that how you interpret it?

00:12:48.000 Well, basically, that is it.

00:12:49.000 You know, the Secretary of Security has that right to be able to just let people in, I guess.

00:12:54.000 And he's just letting them in.

00:12:55.000 And that's his way of saying, hey, look, we've made this process much better.

00:12:59.000 We've got a lot of work to do on the immigration end.

00:13:01.000 Let me put it into perspective for your viewers.

00:13:04.000 In Arizona, there are 386 ICE agents in the state of Arizona.

00:13:08.000 Most states don't have that amount of people in it.

00:13:11.000 Just this morning alone, before I even came on this show, there were 800 people that had already been that had come across in Yuma, and there was another 400 waiting on the other side to come across.

00:13:22.000 So we couldn't even process all the people out of this country that just came in today, let alone having to deal with millions of people.

00:13:31.000 So there's a real problem to deal with there.

00:13:33.000 We've got to actually enforce the law, whether it's Title 42, which is now going away.

00:13:38.000 You need to enforce Title VIII, which means that you cannot come into this country illegally. 0.94

00:13:42.000 We certainly need to streamline the process for those people who do actually take the attempt to file their paperwork and come into this country illegally.

00:13:50.000 In many cases, we are impeding people who are married to Americans or have children born in America from coming back into this country who are trying to do it the right way.

00:14:00.000 All the while we are allowing and opening the gates for those people who are coming here illegally and rubber stamping people like he just talked about from other countries just to come in. 0.99

00:14:11.000 So there's a lot of work that needs to be done on the congressional side.

00:14:14.000 Let me highlight something for you, Sheriff.

00:14:17.000 This is Bill Melusian put out a tweet.

00:14:20.000 He said, FYI, when you hear DHS Secretary Mayorkis say that migrants are placed into removal proceedings, that does not mean they are being removed.

00:14:30.000 Sometimes it does, but a large majority of the time it means release with future court date.

00:14:35.000 That is part of Title VIII removal proceedings.

00:14:39.000 Well, then he follows that up here with this is a News Nation reporter on the board.

00:14:46.000 He says, I'm speaking with Venezuelan migrants in El Paso who have been released with NTA's notice to appear with a court date in 2026.

00:14:57.000 2026.

00:14:59.000 They get a three-year visa, basically.

00:15:03.000 Well, you beat me to it.

00:15:04.000 I was actually going to tell you that the average court date was two to four years.

00:15:09.000 Now it's about three to five years from now.

00:15:11.000 So they give them the ability to come into this country and not be held accountable for coming to this country illegally.

00:15:16.000 They're giving them court dates from who knows when.

00:15:18.000 And you don't have enough judges to process all the thousands of people that are coming today.

00:15:23.000 And so imagine, are those court dates ever even going to happen?

00:15:27.000 And they have the statistic for those who show back up to court is extremely low.

00:15:32.000 So basically, they know that once we let them in, the likelihood of them actually going through the process and becoming legal is very low.

00:15:41.000 But yet they continue to do it.

00:15:42.000 They know the damage this is causing, yet they're refusing.

00:15:45.000 They're turning a blind eye to it.

00:15:47.000 And it has, to me, it feels like it's on purpose that they are actually undermining this country.

00:15:54.000 They're doing it at the southern border.

00:15:56.000 It's basically like they've looked at how can we screw this up the most royally possible.

00:16:01.000 Let's do that.

00:16:02.000 Anything common sense, anything that obviously would disincentivize the sea of migrants, the 700,000 that are banging down the door right now and are going to come in tomorrow at midnight. 0.98

00:16:13.000 Anything that would disincentivize them, they've thrown out.

00:16:15.000 All right.

00:16:15.000 So I just want to say, you know, Sheriff, you're phenomenal on this issue and so many other issues.

00:16:20.000 If you're king of America in one minute, how do we solve this?

00:16:24.000 How do we fix this?

00:16:25.000 And is there our only option?

00:16:27.000 We have to wait, you know, until 2024.

00:16:30.000 How do we fix this now and maybe later?

00:16:32.000 And that's a big question.

00:16:33.000 One minute. 0.70

00:16:34.000 Well, we fix it by electing better people into office. 0.93

00:16:36.000 Elections have consequences.

00:16:38.000 And the people they put in power, like Majorca, have consequences.

00:16:41.000 He should be impeached.

00:16:42.000 But the way we fix it, and you don't have to reinvent the wheel, go back to the Trump era policies.

00:16:47.000 Those were working.

00:16:48.000 We can build off of those.

00:16:50.000 But let's start with that.

00:16:51.000 And I think we could regain control of this border in a very short order and start to put in place some real immigration reform and deal with this issue once and for all.

00:17:01.000 But we've got to have better people in office to do that.

00:17:04.000 Yeah.

00:17:05.000 Anytime I hear the Democrats talk about immigration reform or humane immigration, all that is, that's code for open borders.

00:17:12.000 When the Democrats say it, I just, I want to vomit because it doesn't mean they're actually going to do anything.

00:17:16.000 It just means they're going to, you heard Majorca.

00:17:18.000 He said, we're fixing it.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, we're fixing it.

00:17:21.000 We're letting more people in legally.

00:17:22.000 That's the fix.

00:17:23.000 Sheriff Mark Lamb, you're a great American, a great patriot.

00:17:26.000 Please, you know, keep up the good work and keep in Arizona safe.

00:17:29.000 We'll talk to you soon.

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00:18:35.000 Up next is Jack Posobiec, Turning Point USA host of Human Events Daily and friend of the Charlie Kirk.

00:18:42.000 So, Jack, welcome back.

00:18:44.000 Andrew, it's great to be back.

00:18:46.000 You know, we've been over here in Europe.

00:18:48.000 We were here for the Budapest Summit.

00:18:51.000 We were visiting family.

00:18:53.000 We took a little bit of time, but it's great to be able to, working the way we work.

00:18:57.000 You know, we're able to do this from pretty much anywhere.

00:18:59.000 However, I got to say, man, haven't had any blackout coffee because there is no blackout coffee over here.

00:19:04.000 And I'm jonesing, man.

00:19:06.000 I'm getting twitchy over here just thinking about it.

00:19:09.000 Well, blackout coffee is the, it powers this show.

00:19:12.000 And I, you know, I put my money where my mouth is.

00:19:14.000 I got a cup of it right here.

00:19:15.000 I had the team bring it.

00:19:17.000 I have like a giant case of it sitting back at home waiting for me.

00:19:21.000 And as soon as I get off the plane, I'm firing it up.

00:19:24.000 Good.

00:19:24.000 Well, listen, they're not going to betray us like some others have done in the past.

00:19:28.000 Let me just say that much.

00:19:29.000 All right.

00:19:30.000 Hey, Jack.

00:19:31.000 Jack, I want to talk.

00:19:32.000 You know, actually, give us the lay of the land.

00:19:35.000 I mean, you are Polish, part Polish.

00:19:37.000 You're an American, but you are of Polish descent.

00:19:40.000 My family's Polish, yeah.

00:19:42.000 Yeah, your family's Polish.

00:19:43.000 So I want to, you know, I saw this news story.

00:19:46.000 I wasn't going to, so sorry to put you on the spot here, but I know you can handle it.

00:19:49.000 I saw that there's a the prime minister, am I right, of Poland is now calling for the death penalty to be brought back into law in Poland?

00:19:58.000 Is that right?

00:19:58.000 Yes.

00:19:59.000 What's this exact backstory?

00:20:01.000 So you got to understand that the backstory is that in the EU, the death penalty does not exist.

00:20:06.000 In fact, there's only one country in all of Europe that still has the death penalty, and that's Belarus, which is in Eastern Europe, not an EU member.

00:20:14.000 And in fact, Russia doesn't even have the death penalty.

00:20:16.000 So I know, right?

00:20:17.000 Russia.

00:20:18.000 And so for any EU member to even discuss bringing this back, I mean, it would be like, I mean, it would be like us talking about bringing back firing squads or something, which I do know that I think Idaho was actually talking about this recently.

00:20:32.000 So the backstory here is that unfortunately, there was a horrific case of child abuse in Poland, this total psychopath where, you know, murder in general is very, very low in Poland.

00:20:44.000 It's one of the lowest countries in all of the OCED, the developed countries list.

00:20:49.000 And it was an eight-year-old child who was unfortunately brutalized and killed.

00:20:55.000 And the Prime Minister of Poland came out straight up and said, we should reinstate the death penalty when it comes for child abuse.

00:21:01.000 And Andrew, I got to say, if there's any crime that deserves it, it's that.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, well, meanwhile, Jack, we have 85,000 unaccompanied minors scattered throughout the country that DHS has just lost track of.

00:21:12.000 And AOC and all the left crying liberals can't be bothered to even talk about it because they want to be humane on America's border with these migrant children.

00:21:22.000 Go ahead.

00:21:24.000 You know, what's amazing about that is that you have this case where we have these people coming across the border and they say, oh, they're just looking for a better life.

00:21:31.000 They're just looking for better opportunities for their families.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, that's an open pipeline for human trafficking, not just labor trafficking, but child sex trafficking, trafficking in women, people that are getting put into modern-day slavery, kids that are bought and sold and abused on all sorts of, you know, whether it be OnlyFans or whatever else on the internet that they're using and different apps, that this is actually supporting human trafficking.

00:22:00.000 This is actual, the definition of human trafficking is supporting illegal immigration. 0.68

00:22:05.000 And I see this come up in the e-Verify debate.

00:22:07.000 I see this come up in the general securing the border debate, the Title 42 debate.

00:22:12.000 And I'm actually kind of sick of it.

00:22:13.000 I'm sick of conservatives not calling it what it is.

00:22:18.000 It's not so much that these are people in many of these cases that are, oh, they're escaping something.

00:22:24.000 And I love that the new bill that's out there, the Secure Border Act that Biggs is pushing, talking about actually questioning these asylum claims, especially for people who aren't applying for asylum on the way, because they're coming to third, fourth, and the United States is like the fifth country they've gotten to since they left their original country.

00:22:40.000 That's not the way asylum is supposed to work under the UN.

00:22:43.000 And so what we're doing as the United States, and we need to be very clear about this, by keeping our border the way it is and not implementing a serious e-verify program, which by the way, DeSantis just signed into the state.

00:22:55.000 I was just about to bring it up.

00:22:56.000 I was just about to bring it up.

00:22:58.000 Yeah, I commend him for that.

00:23:00.000 But the fact of the matter is that in all of the other 49 states, it is, as far as I know, it is still just a voluntary procedure.

00:23:06.000 So you're going to keep the incentive for those people to come across and they're going to put themselves in situations where they become at risk to trafficking, at risk to sex trafficking.

00:23:15.000 And that's the side you're on.

00:23:17.000 And I'm sick of conservatives not going on offense and reminding the left that they do not have the moral high ground on any of these issues.

00:23:25.000 When you talk about abortion, it's like, or even when they talk about guns, they say, oh, we just want to protect kids.

00:23:29.000 We just want to protect kids.

00:23:30.000 Okay, what about kids in the womb?

00:23:32.000 What about kids in the womb?

00:23:34.000 You're going to protect that?

00:23:34.000 Oh, right.

00:23:35.000 You're the side that's for killing kids. 0.99

00:23:36.000 So, don't try to play the moralizing arguments with me on here because every time it comes to one of those moral gray areas, you guys will choose the gray over the morally clarified point.

00:23:47.000 And it's exactly the same for illegal immigration, for the border.

00:23:50.000 We need to call it what it is.

00:23:51.000 This is industrial human trafficking that the powers that be, and apparently the Biden administration, and you saw my Orcus's insane press conference just now, are totally cool with.

00:24:00.000 Oh, no, we ripped, we ripped my orcas with Sheriff Lamb big time.

00:24:04.000 I mean, the guy's a total joke, dereliction of duty.

00:24:06.000 I mean, what man in Congress, and by the way, this is aired to do.

00:24:13.000 I know he was exactly, but seriously, who has more blood on their hand in all of, I mean, maybe the maybe what's going on with Ukraine, right? 0.80

00:24:20.000 The military-industrial complex.

00:24:23.000 I mean, but seriously, it's neck and neck.

00:24:25.000 It's got to be neck and neck.

00:24:26.000 We're talking millions and millions of migrants that have been flooding in.

00:24:29.000 And up and down the line, yes, the sex trafficking, the human trafficking, the drugs that are smuggled in that are killing America's youth with fentanyl overdoses.

00:24:39.000 Not to mention the tax burden, the cultural transformation that we're witnessing.

00:24:46.000 I mean, from the time I was growing up in this country to now, it's already remarkably different.

00:24:52.000 The demographic change, and they'll say, oh, that's racist.

00:24:55.000 No, it's a fact.

00:24:56.000 When you eat a big meal, it takes time to ingest it.

00:25:00.000 Joy Reed can talk about it.

00:25:01.000 So, whenever I talk about it, I say, I say, well, Joy Reed has reported that.

00:25:06.000 So, Joy Reed and Rachel Maddow have reported that America's demographics are changing.

00:25:12.000 Fact.

00:25:12.000 So, if I can say that they reported it, because it's totally cool when they reported it, then that means I can get away with it because you have to wrap yourself in this like MSNBC burrito to be able to report things that are actually true.

00:25:23.000 So, you can't claim that I'm the one who's claiming it because Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow are the ones who claimed it, not me.

00:25:28.000 No, it's an observable fact.

00:25:30.000 It's an absolute fact.

00:25:31.000 And by the way, you know, this whole debate about replacement theory or whatever, I could care less.

00:25:37.000 I honestly could care less.

00:25:38.000 You know what I was, I would say?

00:25:40.000 I don't care what color you are. 0.96

00:25:41.000 I don't care any of that stuff.

00:25:42.000 I want to know: do you know who Thomas Jefferson is?

00:25:44.000 Do you understand the Constitution?

00:25:46.000 Do you understand basic civics?

00:25:48.000 Do you share a love for this country?

00:25:50.000 Do you share a passion for the history of its people and for the land that we stand on and that we built our civilization on?

00:25:57.000 Funny enough, we, you know, because people know I'm, you know, my wife is an immigrant, but when she went through the naturalization test, she had to study all that stuff.

00:26:06.000 She had to, and since we live in the DC area, you know, she was going to the Smithsonian a ton.

00:26:10.000 Like, she remembers all of it.

00:26:12.000 And I think it's, it's, she loved, fell in love with America from afar, right?

00:26:17.000 You know, not far from where I am right now.

00:26:19.000 And she realized that this was the system and these were the people that made it work.

00:26:26.000 And that's why it was important to go through the naturalization process out of respect for the country and its laws as are currently confined and the traditions that brought America to where it is.

00:26:40.000 You know what?

00:26:40.000 You're hitting on something that just fires me up to no end.

00:26:43.000 And there is news, by the way.

00:26:44.000 I just, I'm reading an article here from Daily Wire that says that in a major reversal, this is breaking Biden resurrects Trump border policy ahead of Title 42 repeal.

00:26:54.000 I'm going to get to that in just a second, but you hit on a word here: respect.

00:27:00.000 We can argue about the legalities.

00:27:02.000 We can argue about the human trafficking.

00:27:04.000 We can argue about the drugs and the cartels and losing.

00:27:09.000 If you break our laws to come into this country, I don't care. 1.00

00:27:12.000 You have zero respect for the rule of law in this country.

00:27:15.000 You have zero respect for this country.

00:27:16.000 And I understand many of them are enduring hardships.

00:27:19.000 I understand.

00:27:20.000 But guess what?

00:27:21.000 There's a line a mile long of people trying to get in legally that have endured hardships.

00:27:25.000 There's people, millions of them around the world that have endured hardships and want to be here.

00:27:31.000 But guess what?

00:27:32.000 Not everybody can.

00:27:35.000 There's no limiting function on that argument to say we're going to bring in everyone who has hardship around the world.

00:27:41.000 Well, then what does that mean?

00:27:42.000 That we're going to invite everyone in the entire world?

00:27:45.000 There's no moral obligation there.

00:27:47.000 We have a moral obligation.

00:27:49.000 The United States government has a moral obligation to the people of these states first.

00:27:53.000 That's what being American first means.

00:27:56.000 You know, if someone's hungry and they show up at your house and they look like they're in a bad way, sure, help them out.

00:28:01.000 But if somebody shows up with a thousand of their friends and demands to eat your food, then no, you don't have an obligation to let them in.

00:28:08.000 Absolutely not.

00:28:10.000 They play these moral, they use moral trickery and they'll say, well, I think Jesus said something about feeding the hungry.

00:28:16.000 It's like, no, that's not what's going on.

00:28:18.000 You guys don't believe in the Bible anyway.

00:28:20.000 So why would you even use that argument if you wouldn't apply it to yourselves?

00:28:24.000 No, it's very clear what's going on is you've got a two-pronged situation where big business wants the cheap labor, and that's what it is.

00:28:35.000 It is cheap labor that is brought in that depresses the wages of all Americans, by the way, which has a direct effect on America's economic well-being and the well-being of the working class.

00:28:44.000 And then number two, Democrats want the votes.

00:28:46.000 So this, which, which, by the way, like, oh, are those people really voting?

00:28:49.000 Like, are you serious?

00:28:50.000 Have you seen our election laws in this country?

00:28:52.000 Of course they're voting.

00:28:54.000 Come on.

00:28:54.000 No, and that's what's so frustrating is that every time there's common sense, actual reforms in place, they stonewall those reforms from taking place because they know it ultimately will benefit them electorally.

00:29:05.000 So they don't want order.

00:29:07.000 They are the party of chaos.

00:29:08.000 They are the party.

00:29:10.000 I have a whole theory, and actually, Charlie tweeted it out.

00:29:13.000 We were discussing it.

00:29:15.000 Have you noticed that they use the word humane every time they talk about immigration?

00:29:19.000 We are for an orderly and humane.

00:29:21.000 They have to get that word in there.

00:29:23.000 Why?

00:29:23.000 Because it's like a tribal identifier.

00:29:26.000 It's a tribal identifier.

00:29:27.000 It's a signal to all the other lefties out there that are like, oh, okay, we actually know that whatever the hell else comes after this, it doesn't mean anything.

00:29:33.000 They're not going to do anything.

00:29:34.000 It's an open border.

00:29:36.000 Okay.

00:29:36.000 And you made a great point.

00:29:39.000 They want humane treatment of everybody else except for the American citizens.

00:29:44.000 Are you telling me that what they're doing on the border is humane for the citizens of Brownsville, Texas right now?

00:29:48.000 People in El Paso?

00:29:50.000 It's homeless people, encampments of migrants just strewn across the street.

00:29:54.000 You think that's humane?

00:29:56.000 15 seconds, Jack.

00:29:57.000 Look, this is why I'm for you, Verify.

00:30:00.000 We can talk about it more later, but this is why you need to stop the incentive first to stop the flow.

00:30:05.000 Yeah, well, that's not going to hold my breath, Jack.

00:30:08.000 I want to ask a question.

00:30:10.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com, you can ask me and Jack, what do you think?

00:30:15.000 Do you think this is all intentional?

00:30:17.000 And what do you think is their real motives for leaving the border open, for this whole song and dance?

00:30:23.000 What does the left actually really want?

00:30:26.000 Because to me, and let's bring Jack back in.

00:30:29.000 Jack, to me, it is pure cynical manipulation of our language, of our emotions.

00:30:34.000 Obviously, as you said, businesses want lower wages, Democrats want more votes.

00:30:38.000 But you think about California.

00:30:40.000 California was a winnable state in the 80s and the 90s.

00:30:44.000 Get this mass amnesty from Reagan.

00:30:45.000 Now it's completely unwinnable.

00:30:47.000 If California was even a purple state in today's America, the entire immigration debate would be different.

00:30:53.000 Fact.

00:30:54.000 You see the cycle of this.

00:30:57.000 There is a cause and effect, and it might be a generation removed.

00:31:00.000 But you talk about can they vote?

00:31:01.000 Well, maybe they can't, but their kids certainly will.

00:31:06.000 What's the motivation here, Jack?

00:31:07.000 We got one minute till we went to the next one.

00:31:09.000 I mean, Andrew.

00:31:10.000 You know, to your point, demographics is destiny, right?

00:31:13.000 This is something that will fundamentally change the makeup of the electorate.

00:31:17.000 And it just will.

00:31:17.000 It just will.

00:31:18.000 And you can't argue against math.

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:21.000 Well, you know, I'm heartened if I don't mean to depress and bum out our audience, especially our great Real America's Voice audience, but I just want to say, you know, there is hope.

00:31:32.000 And here's the hope.

00:31:33.000 And I texted you this too, Jack.

00:31:35.000 I remember when it was Bill Melusian was quoting Homan, former ICE Director Homan, Tom Homan, and he said he was bringing up a conversation.

00:31:46.000 He said, you can take this to the bank.

00:31:48.000 If Donald Trump is elected, you will see the single greatest deportation force in the history of this country.

00:31:54.000 You can take it to the bank.

00:31:56.000 And I texted it to you and I said, I said, I said Trump 2024 right there.

00:32:02.000 All right, Jack.

00:32:04.000 Is all of this intentional or are we supposed to take this reversal from Joe Biden as proof that it's not?

00:32:12.000 Let me just explain to the audience and fill you in too.

00:32:14.000 So the Biden administration has brought back a Trump era immigration rule the day before Title 42 is scheduled to sunset.

00:32:22.000 And the rule finalized and published in the Federal Register on Wednesday disqualifies migrants from applying for asylum in the U.S. if they neglected to first apply for asylum in other countries they travel to, including Mexico.

00:32:36.000 So what you basically have, before you go on your journey, you have to apply for asylum.

00:32:40.000 If they encounter you at the border, you no longer qualify for asylum if you didn't do so.

00:32:45.000 Is this proof that, hey, maybe we're being too cynical that they're actually trying to do something?

00:32:50.000 Or am I, is that glass half way half full?

00:32:55.000 I'm sitting over here in Eastern Europe.

00:32:57.000 I'm not looking at Daily Wire right now.

00:32:58.000 I'm like, like, you know, using the remote podcast rig or whatever.

00:33:03.000 I just explained all that in the last segment, which is the UN standard for applying for asylum.

00:33:10.000 And I had no idea that they were actually pushing back on that because it's actually insane.

00:33:16.000 Look, let me tell you something right now.

00:33:18.000 This is a testament to the power of this audience.

00:33:23.000 As Steve Bannon always says, this is the power of the Real America's Voice audience, the Charlie Kirk audience, War Room, Human Events Daily, all of the populist nationalists pushing together.

00:33:34.000 And really the reporting of Bill Malugan, of Michael Yon, of so many people, Sarah Carter, who've been on the border all the time, our own Ben Berquam, who's constantly down there, the Darien Gap, et cetera.

00:33:44.000 Once you explain how absolutely mental this situation is, the American people are completely not far.

00:33:53.000 By the way, if you look at opinion polls on this, this is like an 80-20 issue or a 70-30 issue.

00:33:59.000 80-20 say secure the border.

00:34:01.000 70 plus percent say pass E-Verify.

00:34:04.000 That's a nationwide mandated system.

00:34:07.000 It's not mandated now.

00:34:08.000 These numbers are crazy.

00:34:10.000 This, by the way, this is an issue, Andrew, that I've always said this is why the new right became born into existence through 2016 was because Trump in, you know, as early as his very first announcement at the, you know, the golden escalator and all that, remember, he specifically talked about two things, trade and immigration.

00:34:34.000 And these were two issues that Republicans and Democrats had just completely sort of like left to the sidelines for so many years.

00:34:43.000 And yet it turns out that guess what?

00:34:45.000 When it comes down to it, money, jobs, immigration, foreign policy, war, which are all tied around those issues, they actually matter to a ton of Americans.

00:34:55.000 This is why Trump won Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin in 2016 was because he was able to get those crossover Democrats who understand that you need to get all of this under control if we're going to have a nation or not.

00:35:08.000 That is what brought over those, you know, I know you were talking about Reagan in California and the amnesty, but also what you used to consider the Reagan Democrats.

00:35:17.000 Honestly, they're the same type of people that before they were called Reagan Democrats.

00:35:21.000 This was the part of what we called the Kennedy coalition.

00:35:25.000 This is what elected JFK.

00:35:27.000 This is what would have elected RFK Sr.

00:35:30.000 And this is also, of course, what obviously RFK Jr.

00:35:33.000 Is this the coalition that he's targeting right now?

00:35:36.000 With, of course, the power of his name, the power of his name ID.

00:35:39.000 Uh, these are your working-class Democrats who are willing to go for the guy that they think is going to fight for them the hardest on that stage.

00:35:48.000 Well, if it comes down to do you love this country and do you love what's common sense right for us?

00:35:52.000 I mean, really does Jack.

00:35:54.000 Thank you for your time.

00:35:54.000 I know you're calling in from long way away.

00:35:57.000 We appreciate it as always.

00:35:59.000 We've got more news coming up from Jack Pesovic, guys.

00:36:01.000 So, so stay tuned.

00:36:04.000 More exciting developments from Pozo Land.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 10, 2023

Industrial-Scale Human Trafficking with Sheriff Mark Lamb and Jack Posobiec

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