00:00:10.000I don't really have strong opinions about him either way.
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00:00:15.000Richard Roth joins the program, who is a lawyer representing some people that were illegally spied on when meeting Julian Assange.
00:00:22.000There's a part of this conversation where Richard Roth mentions that Manning transitioned from a man to a woman.
00:00:29.000I intentionally didn't correct him there because I didn't have him to go debate gender policy or, you know, biological reality with him, but I can imagine some of you are going to be frustrated by his cavalier attitude towards the ability for a human being to chemically castrate oneself and change gender.
00:00:44.000So just understand I kept my mouth shut because I thought we were having a pretty good conversation about the topic at hand, but just reinforcing my views on that.
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00:02:30.000And kind of what did he do and what laws did he break and where did he get his information from?
00:02:36.000And how does that overlap with Hillary Clinton and WikiLeaks?
00:02:39.000And there's all sorts of questions when it comes to that.
00:02:43.000And so who we have on our program coming up is not Assange's lawyer, but someone who is representing the journalists and the lawyers who met with Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, who were illegally surveilled meeting with Julian Assange.
00:03:07.000And I also, you know, when Mr. Roth comes on our program, Richard Roth, I'm going to ask him just as kind of a primer on Julian Assange because there's a lot of information about it that I need to be caught up to date on.
00:03:19.000I think some of you in the audience will as well.
00:03:21.000Maybe you're totally caught up with it, but there's a lot of moving pieces here.
00:03:24.000It's very, very complicated and quite honestly, very dramatic in more ways than one.
00:03:30.000And we know the kind of nefarious activity of the deep state, of the FBI, of the Department of Justice, and it also includes the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:03:40.000And here's a good kind of primer on this.
00:03:53.000And then, actually, this is a Reuters story where it says CIA sued over alleged spying on lawyers and journalists who met Assange.
00:04:01.000So, basically, if I understand the facts correctly, there was a meeting that happened at the Ecuadorian embassy in London where then the CIA illegally spied, allegedly, on these journalists and these lawyers that went to go meet with Julian Assange through a series of meetings.
00:04:19.000And it's kind of revealed then that the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, had all these plans to kidnap and potentially assassinate Julian Assange.
00:04:28.000In 2017, as Julian Assange began his fifth-year holdup in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, the CIA plotted to kidnap the Wikileaks founder and spurring heated debate among Trump administration's officials over the legality and practicality of such an operation.
00:04:44.000Some senior officials inside the CIA and the Trump administration even discussed killing Assange, going so far as to request sketches or options of how to assassinate him.
00:04:54.000So with us now is Richard Roth, business litigator and trial attorney, and also suing the CIA for illegal surveillance of Julian Assange, of which I'm ready to learn a lot about this story.
00:05:04.000Richard, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:05:07.000Hey, Charlie, thank you for having me.
00:05:43.000Years ago, a guy sent it to material from a couple of people who were working at the NSA, Kelsey Manning and a couple others, and received and published.
00:06:15.000Don't give them your time to receive stuff about, you name it, you name the issue.
00:06:21.000So he actually took asylum in Ecuador, in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, because he did not want to be extradited to the U.S. because he was very concerned that the U.S. would essentially try him and potentially convict him under this crazy espionage act.
00:06:35.000The same act that Rand Paul said two weeks ago, Donald Trump should be abolished and Donald Trump shouldn't be subject to and let it logo fiasco.
00:06:46.000So he's been sitting in Ecuador for seven years.
00:07:03.000About a year ago, a little over a year ago, actually two years ago, COVID makes us forget what happened.
00:07:10.000The Ecuadorians took, literally physically removed him from the embassy, brought him to a jail in London, and he has had an extradition trial.
00:07:20.000An extradition trial was a trial to extradite him to the U.S., which he was really a hearing, which he lost.
00:07:27.000And there's a very good case he will be brought to the U.S. There's an indictment that was unsealed by, which essentially tries to indict him for violations of this Espionage Act, which essentially was to assist in the taking of confidential information illegally.
00:07:50.000And that's a tough sale for the government because to date, to my knowledge, there's absolutely no evidence of any taking.
00:07:58.000That's essentially the very simple background.
00:08:00.000Well, and then also, wasn't Manning pardoned by Obama, the giver of the information?
00:08:21.000And he was, Manning actually was a man, is now a woman converted.
00:08:26.000Chelsea Manning, her name is, is a, was indicted, was convicted, and was went to jail for several years and was pardoned by Obama in one of the last acts that Obama did.
00:08:39.000So she did spend time in jail and she was pardoned.
00:08:42.000The other one is a guy named Edward Snowden, who never spent time in jail.
00:08:47.000He did steal, allegedly steal information from the government.
00:09:19.000But since when has that ever been a problem for the American left?
00:09:22.000They do whatever they want to try to seize more power, even if it means purging the Supreme Court of its most experienced justices.
00:09:28.000To no one's surprise, their new court purging scheme would remove long-serving, amazing justices like the super brilliant Clarence Thomas and the courageous Samuel Alito.
00:09:38.000They would then replace these new justices with a rubber stamp and their radical agenda.
00:09:42.000Since Democrats are working hard to pass court purging with term limits, we need to work even harder to stop it.
00:09:47.000Or the Supreme Court, as we know it, will never be the same.
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00:10:02.000They said, I'm very interested in learning more about Julian Assange as well.
00:10:04.000I didn't care years ago, but now I certainly do.
00:10:06.000Richard Roth is here, who is an attorney for some people that went to go meet with Julian Assange, journalists and lawyers that were then spied on.
00:10:34.000Let's go to the embassy and that'll come out.
00:10:36.000And what I'm concerned about there is that any investigative reporter who says to a whistleblower or somebody that email or I need that part of it or I need that letter, that's not illegal.
00:10:48.000But let's go, let's go to my case in particular.
00:10:51.000I promise that's been a rupture, but I think it's just distinguish between the press and investigative reporting and someone taking information, which is what Manning and Snowden did.
00:11:01.000So what happened was while he was in the embassy for close to seven years, people went to visit him.
00:11:08.000People went, his doctors, his lawyers, his friends, his colleagues.
00:11:13.000And when you went to the embassy, they had a protocol.
00:11:16.000You had to actually give the embassy security, your phone, your tablet, your laptop, everything you had had to go to them before you walked in to meet Assange, which sounds okay.
00:11:29.000They don't want any kind of tape recording device or everything.
00:11:32.000So what we learned from a litigation in Spain was that the embassy wasn't just holding your cell phone, your tablet, your laptop while you were in meeting.
00:11:58.000The Ecuadorian government hired a company called UC Global.
00:12:01.000UC Global had essentially formed a, became essentially an agent of the CIA because what these UC Global employees started saying is, listen, why am I doing this?
00:12:12.000And we have affidavits at UC Global people saying, why am I doing this and sending it to Washington?
00:12:16.000Why am I imaging it, saying it to Washington?
00:12:18.000The second thing they did, which is as abhorrent, is when you went to meet with Julian Assange, they had hidden microphones and cameras.
00:12:27.000So not only were they taking information, but they were listening and watching.
00:12:33.000Think of who went to visit Julian Assange.
00:12:35.000First and foremost, his own lawyer in the criminal defense of the U.S. case.
00:12:40.000So Julian Assange is meeting with his lawyer, trying to discuss defenses to his case, U.S. government breaking court.
00:12:50.000And they are, the CIA is literally listening in on those conversations in Washington and quite frankly, in Maryland.
00:13:00.000And we know all of this because there's a litigation in Spain where all of this was determined by people that worked at UC Global.
00:13:08.000So not only is it a violation of the Fourth Amendment, because you have no right to search and see the search warrant, no judge warrant, and they are U.S. citizens, but it's also a violation of the attorney client privilege.
00:13:22.000Think about the information they have.
00:13:23.000They have information that he went when doctors came.
00:13:25.000They have doctor patient privilege documents.
00:13:28.000They have information from journalists when journalists came and met him and interviewed him and were trying to find out what the stories were.
00:13:35.000So the CIA through UC Global had the massive database of information of Julian Assange without ever getting a search warrant.
00:13:45.000The lawsuit that we brought is not brought by Julian Assange.
00:13:49.000It was brought by the individuals that went in, lawyers that went in to see Julian Assange, who would believe they were protected by the Fourth Amendment, by the attorney client privilege.
00:13:57.000Journalists, we have doctors that went in.
00:14:22.000So they gave him asylum in, I want to say, 2015, 2016, a long time ago.
00:14:28.000And as he's understand something, it's a pretty big disruption.
00:14:33.000The Ecuador Embassy is maybe the size of, you know, four offices, got two floors.
00:14:37.000All of a sudden, you have somebody living there for five years.
00:14:40.000So I think what happened, my belief is over time, they said, okay, you know, you can have asylum for a week.
00:14:47.000People can take asylum for a day, for a week, for a month.
00:14:50.000But after five years, I think it was very intrusive.
00:14:54.000And I do believe from the evidence we have, the affidavits, that people at UC Global who came in to become security actually started gathering this information.
00:15:09.000Very important story here that I think is going to be front and center very soon.
00:15:13.000But it is, it is ask a very, it's a ask a very important philosophical and legal question, which is, what is the CIA doing if you travel abroad, if you're meeting abroad, if you're doing business abroad?
00:15:25.000What are they allowed to do or not allowed to do?
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00:16:34.000They go to meet at an Ecuadorian embassy.
00:16:38.000So I guess the first question I have, Richard, is: do your Fourth Amendment rights apply when you're international on foreign land?
00:16:46.000Is the CIA able to do whatever they want to, or do your constitutional rights know no barriers as long as it's your government doing the work?
00:17:00.000But as far as U.S. citizens go, they do apply to U.S. citizens.
00:17:03.000U.S. citizens have the, if you will, the Bill of Rights, the constitutional rights when they're not on U.S. soil.
00:17:10.000So you can't go to an American and just the government can't just go into their home and take whatever they want without a valid search warrant.
00:17:45.000But what happened was the reason why this case was commenced was because there's this law that I mentioned in Spain, which has been very heavily covered by El Paiz, which is one of the largest Spanish newspapers, which essentially is very similar, except for obviously it's not U.S. citizens and it's not under the Constitution, but it's essentially an action against Pompeo, against the CIA, and against others for illegally spying.
00:18:11.000And there are several witnesses who have come to that who testified either live or by affidavit, who have said that essentially this is what they were told to do.
00:18:22.000So what the CIA did do was exactly what you said.
00:18:24.000They tried to have UC Global do it for them.
00:18:27.000But in this instance, they were caught.
00:19:06.000The problem here is that it really was an extraordinary set of circumstances.
00:19:11.000When Mike Pompeo came into be the director of the CIA, in his very first speech, he said that WikiLeaks and Julian Assange are non-state hostile intelligence, is a non-state hostile intelligence service.
00:19:28.000He called Assange a coward, narcissist, and fraud.
00:19:32.000He really took aim at him right when he right when he came into office, and right when he got his appointment, and I believe it was in April of 2017.
00:19:42.000So he went right at him and he essentially said, We're going to take down Wikileaks.
00:19:49.000The irony is that Wikileaks is the entity that helped Trump, if you remember, get elected.
00:20:09.000Let's remember they got all of Podesta's emails in connection with the Democratic National Convention, and he publicized them.
00:20:17.000And it really slammed Hillary big time.
00:20:19.000And I'm not saying it's the reason why Trump got elected, but certainly it helped in the whole narrative that Hillary was a crook and that the Democrats shouldn't win.
00:20:28.000So why Pompeo was after him beats me, but he made it very well known in April 2017.
00:20:35.000He wants to bring Julian Assange down.
00:20:36.000And in fact, you mentioned that there have been reports, I know nothing of it, and I don't know the truth of it, that there was an attempt to assassinate them because he actually is publishing highly secret information.
00:20:56.000What concerns me the most, they're both interesting, mine and his criminal case.
00:21:00.000What concerns me the most is that it really, if a publisher is not allowed to go out and legally obtain information, that really will stifle the First Amendment.
00:21:13.000There's a lot of journalists and there's a huge coalition of people and organizations that are backing a summit that are saying unless the government proves that he actually took information, he actually hacked, or his company actually hacked, then they can't convict him because they go and tell someone, hey, get me, if I were to say someone, hey, can I have download Trump's tax returns for 2015 or 2017, and they come to me, there's nothing illegal about that.
00:21:41.000And that's essentially what's going on.
00:21:43.000Yeah, the New York Times did actually publish Trump's tax returns.
00:21:59.000I mean, the question is who maybe the IRS broke their regulations because they're not supposed to divulge them.
00:22:06.000But no, the journalist shouldn't be held accountable for that.
00:22:09.000But it's interesting because there's other cases of journalists like Project Veritas where they raid the apartment for very similar activity there.
00:22:16.000So I guess in closing here, your clients are journalists and lawyers.
00:22:20.000And what damages are they alleging here besides just violation of constitutional rights, I suppose?
00:22:28.000So damages are the monetary damage are really up to experts.
00:22:59.000Not only do they have the communication she had with Assange, but they have her computer laptop communications or documents she has with other lawyers.
00:23:09.000So the second thing is to get everything back.
00:23:12.000We don't want the government to have any of this.
00:23:14.000And we really want to break a court here.
00:23:18.000We want the citizens to know that if in fact these people did nothing other than visit him, and if in fact all he did was publish information he obtained, then where's the where's what did they do wrong and where's his crime?
00:23:35.000If it's determined that Assange hacked and did something illegal, absolutely he should be in prison.
00:23:43.000But he's been in mandatory maximum security in London for the last two years as a publisher.
00:24:51.000Not something I'm willing to go either way on.
00:24:53.000But I certainly don't trust the Central Intelligence Agency, Five Eyes, the FBI, Department of Justice, especially after what we have seen recently, especially after this, by the way.
00:25:16.000The Biden administration is now giving millions of your tax dollars to private groups that then turn around and target and censor social media posts that they deem misinformation.
00:25:28.000Yeah, listen, what happened is the government in the form of the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department made a deal with a consortium called the Election Integrity Partnership.
00:25:38.000And the goal was to outsource the job of censoring social media during the final four months of the 2020 election.
00:25:45.000That is our government that takes millions of dollars to then go censor an enemies list.
00:27:18.000And I'm going to try to talk about this again tomorrow on the program as we do at DeSantis thing.
00:27:22.000But we just had some other stuff that we had to cover today that was really important, including the Chinese Communist Party basically controlling poll worker data in our country, controlling or hosting, which is this question of equity.
00:27:35.000And when I talk to normies, when I talk to moderates, when I talk to people in the middle, and if you guys listen to this program, it's great.
00:27:45.000Well, let's talk about what that might be.
00:27:47.000Equity is one of the most dangerous concepts that is being introduced to the top levels of our government.
00:27:53.000And I'm going to tell you what equity looks like when it comes to hurricane disaster relief, because then Kamala Harris talks about equity.
00:28:25.000Okay, so I want to tell you guys about this clip with Kamala Harris.
00:28:29.000So Kamala Harris talks about we need equity.
00:28:32.000So Camela Harris comes out and says that the way we need to respond to Hurricane Aid should be through equity, should be distributed based on color and economic status.
00:28:45.000On the point that you made about disparities, it is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions.
00:28:58.000And so we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.
00:29:11.000And if we want people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those disparities.
00:29:16.000You see how she differentiates equality and equity?
00:29:19.000By the way, what is with this kind of new cadence that they teach them to speak with?
00:29:24.000It started with Obama, and it's so condescending and smug as if they're scolding you because we ought to take into account that not everyone, it's just, can you just talk in a straight line all the way through without having to chop it up?
00:30:12.000And so, therefore, you should have equal rights: right to consciousness, right to property, right to earn, right to lose, right to trade, right to barter, the right to defend yourself, the right to build a life, the right to flourish.
00:30:27.000These rights cannot be taken away from government or they should not be allowed to be taken away from government.
00:30:32.000Government is there to protect your rights, not give you rights.
00:32:18.000It's the be careful what you wish for thing.
00:32:21.000Go impeach Maorkis and Garland and Ray.
00:32:24.000And I think that was all part of the selection.
00:32:26.000When they decided who they wanted as vice president, they selected the greatest Joe Biden insurance policy ever, which is people are going to stop short of the 25th Amendment, stop short of impeachment, stop short of removing Joe Biden as soon as they hear Kamala Harris.
00:32:44.000It must have been the criteria in selecting her as Vice President of the United States.
00:32:52.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.