The Charlie Kirk Show - October 06, 2022


Inside the CIA's Secret War Plans Against Julian Assange

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Julian Assange has been in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for over five years. He's been there since he was granted asylum by Ecuador in the late 2000s, and since then, he's been a thorn in the side of the US government, accused of spying on journalists and lawyers who met with him. On today's show, Charlie talks to Richard Roth, a lawyer representing some of the people who claim they were spied on when they met with Julian Assange.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Julian Assange.
00:00:02.000 We haven't really talked about him much on this program at all in the last couple years.
00:00:07.000 We kind of do a deep dive of what is the status of Julian Assange?
00:00:10.000 How should we think about it?
00:00:10.000 I don't really have strong opinions about him either way.
00:00:13.000 You guys can email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:15.000 Richard Roth joins the program, who is a lawyer representing some people that were illegally spied on when meeting Julian Assange.
00:00:22.000 There's a part of this conversation where Richard Roth mentions that Manning transitioned from a man to a woman.
00:00:29.000 I intentionally didn't correct him there because I didn't have him to go debate gender policy or, you know, biological reality with him, but I can imagine some of you are going to be frustrated by his cavalier attitude towards the ability for a human being to chemically castrate oneself and change gender.
00:00:44.000 So just understand I kept my mouth shut because I thought we were having a pretty good conversation about the topic at hand, but just reinforcing my views on that.
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00:02:08.000 We have a very exciting guest coming up and a topic that I don't think we've ever covered, which is the story of Julian Assange.
00:02:16.000 And I'll be very honest.
00:02:17.000 I know very little about the details of this.
00:02:19.000 I know the generalities.
00:02:20.000 I just have really never had a chance to dive into Assange and kind of all the drama around it.
00:02:27.000 And it's an extraordinary story.
00:02:30.000 And kind of what did he do and what laws did he break and where did he get his information from?
00:02:36.000 And how does that overlap with Hillary Clinton and WikiLeaks?
00:02:39.000 And there's all sorts of questions when it comes to that.
00:02:43.000 And so who we have on our program coming up is not Assange's lawyer, but someone who is representing the journalists and the lawyers who met with Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, who were illegally surveilled meeting with Julian Assange.
00:03:03.000 And so he's the lawyer suing the CIA.
00:03:07.000 And I also, you know, when Mr. Roth comes on our program, Richard Roth, I'm going to ask him just as kind of a primer on Julian Assange because there's a lot of information about it that I need to be caught up to date on.
00:03:19.000 I think some of you in the audience will as well.
00:03:21.000 Maybe you're totally caught up with it, but there's a lot of moving pieces here.
00:03:24.000 It's very, very complicated and quite honestly, very dramatic in more ways than one.
00:03:30.000 And we know the kind of nefarious activity of the deep state, of the FBI, of the Department of Justice, and it also includes the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:03:40.000 And here's a good kind of primer on this.
00:03:42.000 It's a Reuters story from last year.
00:03:45.000 Kidnapping, assassination, and a London shootout inside the secret war plans against WikiLeaks.
00:03:52.000 It's amazing.
00:03:53.000 And then, actually, this is a Reuters story where it says CIA sued over alleged spying on lawyers and journalists who met Assange.
00:04:01.000 So, basically, if I understand the facts correctly, there was a meeting that happened at the Ecuadorian embassy in London where then the CIA illegally spied, allegedly, on these journalists and these lawyers that went to go meet with Julian Assange through a series of meetings.
00:04:19.000 And it's kind of revealed then that the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, had all these plans to kidnap and potentially assassinate Julian Assange.
00:04:28.000 In 2017, as Julian Assange began his fifth-year holdup in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, the CIA plotted to kidnap the Wikileaks founder and spurring heated debate among Trump administration's officials over the legality and practicality of such an operation.
00:04:44.000 Some senior officials inside the CIA and the Trump administration even discussed killing Assange, going so far as to request sketches or options of how to assassinate him.
00:04:54.000 So with us now is Richard Roth, business litigator and trial attorney, and also suing the CIA for illegal surveillance of Julian Assange, of which I'm ready to learn a lot about this story.
00:05:04.000 Richard, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:05:07.000 Hey, Charlie, thank you for having me.
00:05:08.000 I appreciate it.
00:05:09.000 Thank you.
00:05:09.000 So Richard, I'm going to ask you just to kind of educate our audience a little bit on, again, who is Julian Assange?
00:05:15.000 What did he do?
00:05:16.000 Just some of the backstory around him.
00:05:17.000 We have some younger listeners that weren't really watching the news as this was all kind of frontline news.
00:05:22.000 So walk us through that.
00:05:24.000 Sure.
00:05:24.000 It's a very interesting, complicated story.
00:05:28.000 Let me simplify for those for your listeners and you want to.
00:05:32.000 Julian Assange is an individual who has a company called WikiLeaks.
00:05:35.000 WikiLeaks does nothing other than publish material.
00:05:38.000 It's the New York Times, CNN, it's font.
00:05:41.000 It publishes material.
00:05:42.000 That's all it does.
00:05:43.000 Years ago, a guy sent it to material from a couple of people who were working at the NSA, Kelsey Manning and a couple others, and received and published.
00:05:55.000 It was pretty bad material.
00:05:56.000 It basically showed videos where the army was killing innocent Aronovi.
00:06:02.000 For that, the government did not like that.
00:06:06.000 And the government decided that it wanted to extrado to him under what's called the Espionage Act.
00:06:11.000 Notwithstanding the fact that he received the material, he didn't do anything illegal.
00:06:14.000 He received it.
00:06:15.000 Don't give them your time to receive stuff about, you name it, you name the issue.
00:06:21.000 So he actually took asylum in Ecuador, in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, because he did not want to be extradited to the U.S. because he was very concerned that the U.S. would essentially try him and potentially convict him under this crazy espionage act.
00:06:35.000 The same act that Rand Paul said two weeks ago, Donald Trump should be abolished and Donald Trump shouldn't be subject to and let it logo fiasco.
00:06:46.000 So he's been sitting in Ecuador for seven years.
00:06:49.000 That's sort of the basics of it.
00:06:52.000 And he's been sort of confined in his own jail.
00:06:55.000 I'm sorry, in the Ecuadorian embassy, not in Ecuador.
00:06:58.000 I withdraw that.
00:06:59.000 Got it.
00:06:59.000 The Ecuadorian embassy in London.
00:07:01.000 So he's been in London.
00:07:02.000 He was in London for seven years.
00:07:03.000 About a year ago, a little over a year ago, actually two years ago, COVID makes us forget what happened.
00:07:10.000 The Ecuadorians took, literally physically removed him from the embassy, brought him to a jail in London, and he has had an extradition trial.
00:07:20.000 An extradition trial was a trial to extradite him to the U.S., which he was really a hearing, which he lost.
00:07:26.000 And it's up on appeal.
00:07:27.000 And there's a very good case he will be brought to the U.S. There's an indictment that was unsealed by, which essentially tries to indict him for violations of this Espionage Act, which essentially was to assist in the taking of confidential information illegally.
00:07:50.000 And that's a tough sale for the government because to date, to my knowledge, there's absolutely no evidence of any taking.
00:07:58.000 That's essentially the very simple background.
00:08:00.000 Well, and then also, wasn't Manning pardoned by Obama, the giver of the information?
00:08:05.000 Is that correct?
00:08:07.000 Correct.
00:08:07.000 Now, Manning, unlike Assamese, Manning took the information.
00:08:12.000 If you're working for the federal government, you illegally take things.
00:08:14.000 You should be.
00:08:16.000 Sort of funny what's going on with Marlago now, but you should be at least looked into.
00:08:20.000 Okay.
00:08:21.000 And he was, Manning actually was a man, is now a woman converted.
00:08:26.000 Chelsea Manning, her name is, is a, was indicted, was convicted, and was went to jail for several years and was pardoned by Obama in one of the last acts that Obama did.
00:08:39.000 So she did spend time in jail and she was pardoned.
00:08:42.000 The other one is a guy named Edward Snowden, who never spent time in jail.
00:08:47.000 He did steal, allegedly steal information from the government.
00:08:50.000 He was indicted, but he fled.
00:08:51.000 And I believe he's in either Asia or Russia now.
00:08:54.000 Snowden.
00:08:55.000 Snowden's in Russia.
00:08:56.000 Yeah.
00:08:57.000 Yeah, in Russia.
00:08:58.000 So they're respected the two bad guys.
00:09:00.000 Got it.
00:09:03.000 Hey, Charlie Kirk here.
00:09:05.000 When it comes to liberals in Congress, there's no way they would accept term limits on themselves.
00:09:09.000 And yet now they're fighting tooth and nail to impose term limits on Supreme Court justices.
00:09:14.000 Term limits for thee, but not for me. 0.96
00:09:16.000 Sounds completely hypocritical. 0.89
00:09:18.000 Of course it is. 0.94
00:09:19.000 But since when has that ever been a problem for the American left?
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00:10:01.000 We just got an email.
00:10:02.000 They said, I'm very interested in learning more about Julian Assange as well.
00:10:04.000 I didn't care years ago, but now I certainly do.
00:10:06.000 Richard Roth is here, who is an attorney for some people that went to go meet with Julian Assange, journalists and lawyers that were then spied on.
00:10:13.000 Walk us through that.
00:10:14.000 So he's in the Ecuadorian embassy.
00:10:17.000 And then we're in the Ecuadorian embassy.
00:10:21.000 Let me just make one comment on what you said.
00:10:23.000 Even if my argument is, even if Julian Assange actually told these people to go out and get bad stuff, that's still not a crime.
00:10:31.000 That's what the press does every day.
00:10:32.000 But let's go to the embassy.
00:10:34.000 Let's go to the embassy and that'll come out.
00:10:36.000 And what I'm concerned about there is that any investigative reporter who says to a whistleblower or somebody that email or I need that part of it or I need that letter, that's not illegal.
00:10:48.000 But let's go, let's go to my case in particular.
00:10:51.000 I promise that's been a rupture, but I think it's just distinguish between the press and investigative reporting and someone taking information, which is what Manning and Snowden did.
00:11:01.000 So what happened was while he was in the embassy for close to seven years, people went to visit him.
00:11:08.000 People went, his doctors, his lawyers, his friends, his colleagues.
00:11:13.000 And when you went to the embassy, they had a protocol.
00:11:16.000 You had to actually give the embassy security, your phone, your tablet, your laptop, everything you had had to go to them before you walked in to meet Assange, which sounds okay.
00:11:29.000 They don't want any kind of tape recording device or everything.
00:11:31.000 That makes sense.
00:11:32.000 So what we learned from a litigation in Spain was that the embassy wasn't just holding your cell phone, your tablet, your laptop while you were in meeting.
00:11:43.000 They were imaging it.
00:11:45.000 So they literally image the entire phone laptop of people that went in.
00:11:54.000 And think about it.
00:11:55.000 The Ecuadorian government did that?
00:11:57.000 Well, here's what happened.
00:11:58.000 The Ecuadorian government hired a company called UC Global.
00:12:01.000 UC Global had essentially formed a, became essentially an agent of the CIA because what these UC Global employees started saying is, listen, why am I doing this?
00:12:12.000 And we have affidavits at UC Global people saying, why am I doing this and sending it to Washington?
00:12:16.000 Why am I imaging it, saying it to Washington?
00:12:18.000 The second thing they did, which is as abhorrent, is when you went to meet with Julian Assange, they had hidden microphones and cameras.
00:12:27.000 So not only were they taking information, but they were listening and watching.
00:12:32.000 And think about it.
00:12:33.000 Think of who went to visit Julian Assange.
00:12:35.000 First and foremost, his own lawyer in the criminal defense of the U.S. case.
00:12:40.000 So Julian Assange is meeting with his lawyer, trying to discuss defenses to his case, U.S. government breaking court.
00:12:50.000 And they are, the CIA is literally listening in on those conversations in Washington and quite frankly, in Maryland.
00:13:00.000 And we know all of this because there's a litigation in Spain where all of this was determined by people that worked at UC Global.
00:13:08.000 So not only is it a violation of the Fourth Amendment, because you have no right to search and see the search warrant, no judge warrant, and they are U.S. citizens, but it's also a violation of the attorney client privilege.
00:13:22.000 Think about the information they have.
00:13:23.000 They have information that he went when doctors came.
00:13:25.000 They have doctor patient privilege documents.
00:13:28.000 They have information from journalists when journalists came and met him and interviewed him and were trying to find out what the stories were.
00:13:35.000 So the CIA through UC Global had the massive database of information of Julian Assange without ever getting a search warrant.
00:13:44.000 And that's the base of this lawsuit.
00:13:45.000 The lawsuit that we brought is not brought by Julian Assange.
00:13:49.000 It was brought by the individuals that went in, lawyers that went in to see Julian Assange, who would believe they were protected by the Fourth Amendment, by the attorney client privilege.
00:13:57.000 Journalists, we have doctors that went in.
00:14:00.000 And it's just not right.
00:14:01.000 If you think something illegal is going on, you got to get a search warrant.
00:14:05.000 And why should the CIA be any different than the rest of us?
00:14:08.000 And that's essentially what this case is about.
00:14:10.000 Why would the Ecuadorian government give him asylum while also simultaneously working with companies to image him and spy on him?
00:14:18.000 That doesn't make any sense.
00:14:20.000 Well, you're right.
00:14:21.000 It doesn't.
00:14:21.000 Well, let's talk about timing.
00:14:22.000 So they gave him asylum in, I want to say, 2015, 2016, a long time ago.
00:14:28.000 And as he's understand something, it's a pretty big disruption.
00:14:33.000 The Ecuador Embassy is maybe the size of, you know, four offices, got two floors.
00:14:37.000 All of a sudden, you have somebody living there for five years.
00:14:40.000 So I think what happened, my belief is over time, they said, okay, you know, you can have asylum for a week.
00:14:47.000 People can take asylum for a day, for a week, for a month.
00:14:50.000 But after five years, I think it was very intrusive.
00:14:54.000 And I do believe from the evidence we have, the affidavits, that people at UC Global who came in to become security actually started gathering this information.
00:15:04.000 But you're right.
00:15:04.000 It doesn't make sense, but for the fact he was there for so long.
00:15:08.000 Okay.
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00:15:13.000 But it is, it is ask a very, it's a ask a very important philosophical and legal question, which is, what is the CIA doing if you travel abroad, if you're meeting abroad, if you're doing business abroad?
00:15:25.000 What are they allowed to do or not allowed to do?
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00:16:32.000 So then enter in your clients.
00:16:34.000 They go to meet at an Ecuadorian embassy.
00:16:38.000 So I guess the first question I have, Richard, is: do your Fourth Amendment rights apply when you're international on foreign land?
00:16:46.000 Is the CIA able to do whatever they want to, or do your constitutional rights know no barriers as long as it's your government doing the work?
00:16:52.000 So very, very good question.
00:16:54.000 They apply to U.S. citizens.
00:16:56.000 Assange, by the way, is not a U.S. citizen, to your point before I go on.
00:16:59.000 Yeah, he's in Australian.
00:17:00.000 But as far as U.S. citizens go, they do apply to U.S. citizens.
00:17:03.000 U.S. citizens have the, if you will, the Bill of Rights, the constitutional rights when they're not on U.S. soil. 0.80
00:17:10.000 So you can't go to an American and just the government can't just go into their home and take whatever they want without a valid search warrant.
00:17:19.000 So good question.
00:17:21.000 Something we had to look into.
00:17:22.000 But yes, it does apply to U.S. citizens who are on foreign soil.
00:17:27.000 So, yeah, I mean, I guess the question, but the way they get around that is they just rely on five eyes, right?
00:17:32.000 They'll just have another government do it for them, or they'll use a company that does it for them.
00:17:36.000 So then they're able to, I mean, that would be their defense against your lawsuit, right?
00:17:40.000 The government's going to say, no, it was just the company that was doing this, right?
00:17:43.000 That's what they said.
00:17:45.000 But what happened was the reason why this case was commenced was because there's this law that I mentioned in Spain, which has been very heavily covered by El Paiz, which is one of the largest Spanish newspapers, which essentially is very similar, except for obviously it's not U.S. citizens and it's not under the Constitution, but it's essentially an action against Pompeo, against the CIA, and against others for illegally spying.
00:18:11.000 And there are several witnesses who have come to that who testified either live or by affidavit, who have said that essentially this is what they were told to do.
00:18:22.000 So what the CIA did do was exactly what you said.
00:18:24.000 They tried to have UC Global do it for them.
00:18:27.000 But in this instance, they were caught.
00:18:30.000 I mean, they really were caught.
00:18:31.000 They outsourced the violation of constitutional rights to just some third-party company.
00:18:36.000 And so that's exactly right.
00:18:38.000 Yeah, I guess another question I have here is this also violates lawyer confidentiality beyond that.
00:18:45.000 And I guess this does beg the question: how often does the CIA do this if they felt so empowered to act on this?
00:18:54.000 I mean, how often are they violating Americans' constitutional rights abroad, or God forbid, domestically?
00:19:00.000 You know, maybe an internal optimist.
00:19:03.000 I'm hoping it's not often.
00:19:04.000 I'm hoping that they don't.
00:19:06.000 The problem here is that it really was an extraordinary set of circumstances.
00:19:11.000 When Mike Pompeo came into be the director of the CIA, in his very first speech, he said that WikiLeaks and Julian Assange are non-state hostile intelligence, is a non-state hostile intelligence service.
00:19:27.000 That's what Wikileaks. 0.88
00:19:28.000 He called Assange a coward, narcissist, and fraud.
00:19:32.000 He really took aim at him right when he right when he came into office, and right when he got his appointment, and I believe it was in April of 2017. 0.65
00:19:42.000 So he went right at him and he essentially said, We're going to take down Wikileaks.
00:19:49.000 The irony is that Wikileaks is the entity that helped Trump, if you remember, get elected.
00:19:54.000 No, that's what's so ironic.
00:19:56.000 Yeah, he wouldn't have been selected.
00:19:58.000 They basically got these again legally or obtained, presumably legally.
00:20:04.000 I mean, I don't know, but there's no allegation they took them illegally.
00:20:07.000 They got it.
00:20:09.000 Let's remember they got all of Podesta's emails in connection with the Democratic National Convention, and he publicized them. 1.00
00:20:17.000 And it really slammed Hillary big time.
00:20:19.000 And I'm not saying it's the reason why Trump got elected, but certainly it helped in the whole narrative that Hillary was a crook and that the Democrats shouldn't win.
00:20:28.000 So why Pompeo was after him beats me, but he made it very well known in April 2017.
00:20:35.000 He wants to bring Julian Assange down.
00:20:36.000 And in fact, you mentioned that there have been reports, I know nothing of it, and I don't know the truth of it, that there was an attempt to assassinate them because he actually is publishing highly secret information.
00:20:52.000 So it's a very interesting case.
00:20:56.000 What concerns me the most, they're both interesting, mine and his criminal case.
00:21:00.000 What concerns me the most is that it really, if a publisher is not allowed to go out and legally obtain information, that really will stifle the First Amendment.
00:21:11.000 It'll stifle investigative journalism.
00:21:13.000 There's a lot of journalists and there's a huge coalition of people and organizations that are backing a summit that are saying unless the government proves that he actually took information, he actually hacked, or his company actually hacked, then they can't convict him because they go and tell someone, hey, get me, if I were to say someone, hey, can I have download Trump's tax returns for 2015 or 2017, and they come to me, there's nothing illegal about that.
00:21:41.000 And that's essentially what's going on.
00:21:43.000 Yeah, the New York Times did actually publish Trump's tax returns.
00:21:46.000 We don't know how they got them.
00:21:48.000 The IRS.
00:21:49.000 Remember that it was Maggie Haberman that she had a four-day four-day period. 0.99
00:21:56.000 Now, is that illegal if she got them?
00:21:58.000 Well, I mean, I don't know.
00:21:59.000 I mean, the question is who maybe the IRS broke their regulations because they're not supposed to divulge them.
00:22:06.000 But no, the journalist shouldn't be held accountable for that.
00:22:09.000 But it's interesting because there's other cases of journalists like Project Veritas where they raid the apartment for very similar activity there.
00:22:16.000 So I guess in closing here, your clients are journalists and lawyers.
00:22:20.000 And what damages are they alleging here besides just violation of constitutional rights, I suppose?
00:22:28.000 So damages are the monetary damage are really up to experts.
00:22:33.000 We're not at that stage yet.
00:22:34.000 We just commenced the case.
00:22:35.000 But certainly one form of damage is to A, enjoin the government from ever doing this again.
00:22:42.000 B, get everything back.
00:22:45.000 They don't have a right. 0.96
00:22:46.000 By the way, is the wife of Kunstler, the famous lawyer in the Chicago 7.
00:22:52.000 He passed away years ago.
00:22:54.000 It's his wife.
00:22:55.000 She went in to see a fund on infrared.
00:22:58.000 And can you imagine?
00:22:59.000 Not only do they have the communication she had with Assange, but they have her computer laptop communications or documents she has with other lawyers.
00:23:08.000 I'm sorry, other clients.
00:23:09.000 So the second thing is to get everything back.
00:23:12.000 We don't want the government to have any of this.
00:23:14.000 And we really want to break a court here.
00:23:18.000 We want the citizens to know that if in fact these people did nothing other than visit him, and if in fact all he did was publish information he obtained, then where's the where's what did they do wrong and where's his crime?
00:23:35.000 If it's determined that Assange hacked and did something illegal, absolutely he should be in prison.
00:23:43.000 But he's been in mandatory maximum security in London for the last two years as a publisher.
00:23:52.000 It's insane what's going on.
00:23:54.000 Well, I think it's more about what he published than whether or not he published it.
00:23:58.000 I think that's really, they're coming after him to kind of set an example of anyone who dares.
00:24:03.000 publish information from the Central Intelligence Agency, we're going to destroy your life. 0.79
00:24:08.000 And I mean, what about the New York Times, the Pentagon papers?
00:24:11.000 The New York Times is still selling.
00:24:12.000 Yeah, well, the New York Times is very helpful to a lot of people.
00:24:15.000 That's my theory.
00:24:16.000 I think Julian Assange is a wild card.
00:24:18.000 He's offended.
00:24:19.000 Like you said, a lot of people blame him for Hillary not being president, which there's a lot of pent-up frustration towards him.
00:24:26.000 Richard Roth, this is a lot of people.
00:24:27.000 I don't know if I agree with him in theory, but there are people that blame.
00:24:30.000 No, I'm just saying people are definitely upset about it, regardless of the opinion on it.
00:24:33.000 Richard Roth, thank you so much.
00:24:34.000 Very interesting.
00:24:34.000 Thank you.
00:24:35.000 Thank you for having me.
00:24:36.000 Email us your thoughts.
00:24:37.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:24:39.000 I find that to be a very important story.
00:24:40.000 We're going to keep an eye on it.
00:24:41.000 And look, there's people in our audience that are emailing us saying that Assange is a hero. 0.98
00:24:45.000 He's a traitor.
00:24:46.000 I mean, based on everything that Richard just said, he just seems like a publisher. 0.97
00:24:49.000 There's more to the story.
00:24:50.000 I'm willing to learn about it.
00:24:51.000 Not something I'm willing to go either way on.
00:24:53.000 But I certainly don't trust the Central Intelligence Agency, Five Eyes, the FBI, Department of Justice, especially after what we have seen recently, especially after this, by the way.
00:25:02.000 Reminder, let's just remember Cut 18.
00:25:05.000 This is the same DHS, State Department, CIA kind of conglomeration, right?
00:25:10.000 That has hit lists and enemies lists of people that dare speak out against the regime.
00:25:15.000 Play Cut 18.
00:25:16.000 The Biden administration is now giving millions of your tax dollars to private groups that then turn around and target and censor social media posts that they deem misinformation.
00:25:28.000 Yeah, listen, what happened is the government in the form of the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department made a deal with a consortium called the Election Integrity Partnership.
00:25:38.000 And the goal was to outsource the job of censoring social media during the final four months of the 2020 election.
00:25:45.000 That is our government that takes millions of dollars to then go censor an enemies list.
00:25:51.000 It's extraordinary.
00:25:53.000 I've been meaning to get to this story for a couple days.
00:25:57.000 I don't know if we have time to really build it out.
00:25:59.000 Oh, but I think until this becomes out of the news cycle, I got to hit this story.
00:26:04.000 I have to.
00:26:05.000 Okay. 1.00
00:26:05.000 So Kamala Harris has been just on a complete bender the last couple of days. 1.00
00:26:09.000 I mean, she is just all over the place talking about how she likes Venn diagrams, confusing North and South Korea.
00:26:15.000 Also, do we have that clip of her talking about how psychically it changes?
00:26:21.000 She really has the Joe Biden skill of communication.
00:26:24.000 Kamala Harris does.
00:26:25.000 She has a gift.
00:26:26.000 I mean, it's amazing.
00:26:28.000 And again, it's Cut 85.
00:26:30.000 This is amazing.
00:26:30.000 Play Cut 85.
00:26:32.000 And I've seen how they use that capital to hire people from the community, to open a new storefront on the main street.
00:26:42.000 The whole community benefits in one way or another, economically, not to mention psychically, from their presence.
00:26:52.000 Psychically. 1.00
00:26:54.000 By the way, have you noticed when Kamala Harris talks, she has like a blast radius of her arms. 1.00
00:26:59.000 No one is safe within like 10 feet. 1.00
00:27:02.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:27:04.000 You got to like just vacate the room.
00:27:07.000 Why is she talking in jive?
00:27:09.000 I mean, just enough.
00:27:10.000 Seriously.
00:27:11.000 She always does this.
00:27:12.000 Just speak very clearly. 0.99
00:27:14.000 Ridiculous. 0.94
00:27:15.000 Anyway, so she's been talking about equity a lot lately. 0.79
00:27:17.000 And it's a very important point.
00:27:18.000 And I'm going to try to talk about this again tomorrow on the program as we do at DeSantis thing.
00:27:22.000 But we just had some other stuff that we had to cover today that was really important, including the Chinese Communist Party basically controlling poll worker data in our country, controlling or hosting, which is this question of equity.
00:27:35.000 And when I talk to normies, when I talk to moderates, when I talk to people in the middle, and if you guys listen to this program, it's great.
00:27:40.000 I'm glad you do.
00:27:41.000 Some people say, well, Charlie, we need to try to level the playing field.
00:27:44.000 Okay.
00:27:45.000 Well, let's talk about what that might be.
00:27:47.000 Equity is one of the most dangerous concepts that is being introduced to the top levels of our government.
00:27:53.000 And I'm going to tell you what equity looks like when it comes to hurricane disaster relief, because then Kamala Harris talks about equity.
00:27:59.000 So we'll talk about that.
00:28:00.000 What does that look like in practice?
00:28:03.000 What does that look like once you implement equity?
00:28:08.000 These ideas that start in your elementary school classroom with six-year-olds are then now being run potentially by FEMA.
00:28:14.000 Now, it hasn't been run yet as policy, but wait till I tell you what Cammie has to say about equity and Hurricane Ian.
00:28:21.000 Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:28:25.000 Okay, so I want to tell you guys about this clip with Kamala Harris.
00:28:29.000 So Kamala Harris talks about we need equity.
00:28:32.000 So Camela Harris comes out and says that the way we need to respond to Hurricane Aid should be through equity, should be distributed based on color and economic status.
00:28:43.000 Play cut 12.
00:28:45.000 On the point that you made about disparities, it is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions.
00:28:58.000 And so we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.
00:29:11.000 And if we want people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those disparities.
00:29:16.000 You see how she differentiates equality and equity?
00:29:18.000 She knows the difference.
00:29:19.000 By the way, what is with this kind of new cadence that they teach them to speak with?
00:29:24.000 It started with Obama, and it's so condescending and smug as if they're scolding you because we ought to take into account that not everyone, it's just, can you just talk in a straight line all the way through without having to chop it up?
00:29:40.000 Anyway, drives me nuts.
00:29:42.000 And then her arms flailing all over the place.
00:29:45.000 What is the difference? 1.00
00:29:47.000 Equity is forced redistribution.
00:29:49.000 That's what it is.
00:29:50.000 We should stand for equality.
00:29:53.000 We should stand for equality of opportunity.
00:29:55.000 And of course, most important, equal rights.
00:29:58.000 We're all the same sort of thing.
00:29:59.000 We're speaking beings.
00:30:00.000 We have a soul.
00:30:01.000 We're made in the image of God.
00:30:04.000 We are not a mistake of evolution.
00:30:07.000 We are not a roll of the dice.
00:30:10.000 We are created.
00:30:11.000 We believe that on this program.
00:30:12.000 And so, therefore, you should have equal rights: right to consciousness, right to property, right to earn, right to lose, right to trade, right to barter, the right to defend yourself, the right to build a life, the right to flourish.
00:30:27.000 These rights cannot be taken away from government or they should not be allowed to be taken away from government.
00:30:32.000 Government is there to protect your rights, not give you rights.
00:30:36.000 That is the natural rights doctrine.
00:30:39.000 So that's equality.
00:30:40.000 Equity is something completely different.
00:30:43.000 Equity is taking away people's stuff based on some sort of socioeconomic group.
00:30:51.000 Kamala Harris has now become the jive-speaking spokesperson of equity.
00:30:55.000 Play Cut 102.
00:30:56.000 We'd like to talk about the second gentleman for a second.
00:30:58.000 Is that okay?
00:31:00.000 Because so, second gentleman, Doug. 1.00
00:31:09.000 She's worse than Hillary in some ways. 0.72
00:31:12.000 And so then she goes on this whole tangent about equity and Venn diagrams.
00:31:18.000 What?
00:31:19.000 Play Cut 103.
00:31:21.000 I've actually asked my team to do a Venn diagram.
00:31:23.000 I love Venn diagrams.
00:31:25.000 I just love Venn diagrams.
00:31:27.000 You know, the three circles, right?
00:31:28.000 Sometimes there are more.
00:31:29.000 I can think of maybe three situations in the last year where a Venn diagram would apply.
00:31:36.000 So let me get this one.
00:31:37.000 You have on the right Russia. 0.76
00:31:40.000 You have on the left, Ukraine, and you have on the middle, America.
00:31:45.000 And the overlap between America and Russia is that we both have natural gas.
00:31:50.000 Ooh, we can fill that in.
00:31:53.000 And the overlap between America and Ukraine is we both have abortion on demand and transgenderism everywhere. 0.75
00:32:01.000 Here you go, Madam Vice President.
00:32:04.000 Here's your Venn diagram. 0.90
00:32:06.000 Wow.
00:32:08.000 We do have a lot in common there.
00:32:12.000 I'm more and more convinced that we should never impeach Joe Biden.
00:32:16.000 I think it's a very bad idea.
00:32:18.000 It's the be careful what you wish for thing.
00:32:21.000 Go impeach Maorkis and Garland and Ray.
00:32:24.000 And I think that was all part of the selection.
00:32:26.000 When they decided who they wanted as vice president, they selected the greatest Joe Biden insurance policy ever, which is people are going to stop short of the 25th Amendment, stop short of impeachment, stop short of removing Joe Biden as soon as they hear Kamala Harris.
00:32:44.000 It must have been the criteria in selecting her as Vice President of the United States.
00:32:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:53.000 Email me your thoughts as always.
00:32:54.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:32:56.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:32:57.000 God bless.
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