The details of Donald Trump's indictment have been made public, and it's a doosey! We take a deep dive into the details of the indictment, and discuss what it means for the future of the Trump administration.
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00:02:45.000So yeah, so basically what they are laying out here is that, you know, Donald Trump took that, you know, the Trump indictment says that he took classified docs that include info regarding defense, weapons capabilities of U.S. and foreign countries, our allies, U.S. nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities of U.S. and its allies to military attacks, and plans for possible retaliation should we be attacked, our response to an attack,
00:03:13.000that he kept those at his residence at Mar-a-Lago, that he was asked to return them.
00:03:20.000He returned some, and that he had his co-conspirator, as they are outlining, Mr. Waltine Nada, basically move some of the boxes.
00:03:30.000And then they asked for them again, at which point his attorney then delivered about approximately 38 boxes, or 38 more documents to them.
00:03:41.000And at that point, unconvinced that he had returned all the documents in question, that's when the raid happened.
00:03:49.000And they are alleging that Mr. Trump obstructed justice by lying not only to the FBI and to the Department of Justice, but to his lawyers, so that his lawyers would then lie to the Department of Justice as well and to the National Archives.
00:04:08.000And they also were alleging that on two different instances, he was essentially recorded, which is the CNN story that dropped Friday morning, alleging that he was caught on tape.
00:04:18.000And you have that specific back and forth, which is interesting.
00:04:22.000I'm already going to defend Trump with this.
00:04:38.000This is probably low on my list, right?
00:04:41.000So he had, so going through the timeline again, Charlie, we got on January 17th.
00:04:45.000This is right, I'm reading verbatim from the indictment now.
00:04:49.000Nearly one year after Trump left office and after months of demands by the National Archives and Records Administration, NARA, for Trump to provide all missing presidential records, Trump provided only 15 boxes, which contained 197 documents with classification markings.
00:05:07.000On June 3rd, so that's about 11 months after he left office.
00:05:10.000On June 3rd, in response to a grand jury subpoena demanding the production of all documents with classified markings, classification markings, Trump's attorneys provided to the FBI 38 more documents with classification markings.
00:05:29.000And then on August 8th, pursuant to a court-authorized search warrant, i.e., Merrick Garland signed off on it, the FBI recovered from Trump's office and a storage room at Mar-a-Lago Club 102 more documents with classification markings.
00:05:44.000So that was when they actually raided Mar-a-Lago.
00:05:49.000They say that they know probably from witness testimony that Donald Trump had a habit when president of basically having cardboard boxes in his office or whatever and collecting memorabilia, letters, things like that, and apparently classified documents.
00:06:07.000The question then, Charlie, to me then becomes: you know, why the Department of Justice was so intent on getting these documents?
00:06:16.000Did they fear that Trump was actually going to leak them on WikiLeaks?
00:06:20.000Did they fear that he was going to use them as political retaliation?
00:06:56.000And there is kind of like this central command center, which is run by Reid Hoffman and Lorene Powell Jobs, Mackenzie Bezos, right, that are kind of conducting the whole thing.
00:07:10.000But basically, it's not as contrived as I think we put it, Andrew.
00:07:13.000It's just that they're just throwing everything they could against the wall, and all of a sudden they are like, oh my goodness, did we, you know, we just hit the quote-unquote jackpot, if I hated Trump, where he happens to have a bunch of documents, and this is our vector.
00:07:30.000I mean, it seems to me like, right, that's the vector.
00:07:33.000Yeah, but here, you know, we go back to that Schumer clip, right, Charlie, where we've got the, you know, for apparently, what does he say, for a, you know, supposedly smart businessman, we have the clip.
00:08:17.000makes, and this is the Espionage Act, right?
00:08:20.000So they went from the Presidential Act to the Espionage Act, which threw everybody for a loop yesterday.
00:08:25.000So here's why, though, is understood to be a strategic decision by prosecutors that has been made to short-circuit Mr. Trump's ability to claim that he used his authority as president to declassify documents he removed from the White House and kept it as Palm Beach, Florida property.
00:08:41.000So what they have done is they were anticipating that that was going to be a strong defense from Trump to keep these.
00:08:47.000And so they're intentionally circuiting it and saying, it doesn't matter.
00:08:51.000You are withholding privileged documents related to U.S. national defense and security.
00:08:56.000Therefore, we're going to get you on espionage charges.
00:09:30.000I think what we should do in the next segment, Charlie, I think we should break down just how dogged the intelligence community has been pursuing Trump throughout his entire tenure.
00:09:54.000He's saying that the government killed JFK.
00:09:55.000I think we can look at this through a lens of let's let's assume that this indictment is 100% true, that everything they said is true, and then we can look at it and say that it's not true.
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00:12:52.000Let's just, again, there's a lot of moving parts here.
00:12:55.000So, they're using Section 793, which is the Espionage Act, which they think will short-circuit the Presidential Records Act, right?
00:13:02.000Because they were anticipating that he had a strong defense to say, hey, I had the right as president by simply speaking it out into the world that I could declassify these documents.
00:13:24.000So, then they say, well, no, these are related to national defense, national security.
00:13:29.000So, we're going to short-circuit that.
00:13:30.000We're going to go espionage act, right?
00:13:32.000So, and here's the piece: they said, deliver, transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
00:13:45.000Can be punished by as many as 10 years in prison.
00:13:49.000It is understood that prosecutors intend to ask grand jurors to vote on the indictment on Thursday, which now we know has happened.
00:13:54.000Again, this was published on Wednesday and was leaked to the press.
00:13:57.000Again, we're seeing the same MO, the same MO, the same pattern playing out.
00:14:02.000Leaks, then what we see leaked actually happens, right?
00:14:06.000To allow for a complete presentation of evidence or to allow investigators to gather more evidence for presentation if necessary.
00:14:12.000So, there's this is my theory, all right?
00:14:13.000So, this is what we're building out beforehand.
00:16:15.000No, but the point is, this is one side of it.
00:16:19.000If it's true, if the government's case here is true as it reads, what's Trump's motivation?
00:16:24.000Trump knows that he has been dogged by a corrupt Intel community that is coming after him, that has come after him, and that he's holding an ace in the hole.
00:16:34.000The indictment states that Trump's trial would take between 21 and 60 days, of which he would most likely have to sit and be president the entire time during an election.
00:16:44.00021 to 60 days to be sidelined during a presidential election.
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00:18:02.000As soon as I saw the espionage mention, I realized this is probably one of these extraordinarily weak, elastic cases where the law is stretched to fit the person, where you have La Brenti Berry to the KGB talking to Stalin and saying, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
00:18:22.000We're not a banana republic, but we have to do everything in our power, Democrats, Republicans alike, to stop that from happening to our beloved country.
00:18:32.000Well, it's already happening, Professor.
00:19:07.000And everything that we know about Jack Smith seems to indicate that that's his MO, right?
00:19:13.000He was overturned by the Supreme Court nine to nothing for doing something very similar in the state of Virginia earlier on in his career.
00:19:21.000I think he is prepared to stretch the statutes, play sort of novel games with the legal code as we see them pivoting to this espionage strategy, right, to short circuit, as they said, the Presidential Records Act.
00:19:35.000And they're saying he wasn't approved to have these.
00:19:39.000I think the other piece of this that's interesting and worth reiterating time and time again is the disparate treatment between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
00:19:49.000Hillary Clinton was a secretary of state.
00:19:52.000She did not have the ability or the authority to declassify anything.
00:19:55.000So she just destroyed him and destroyed him.
00:20:13.000Hillary Clinton will not go to jail because we do not have a Republican Party tough enough to go after him.
00:20:17.000You know, and somebody said to me, well, but we wanted Hillary Clinton to go to jail.
00:20:22.000Yeah, we did, and we still do because A, she wasn't president.
00:20:25.000She didn't have the right to declassify anything.
00:20:27.000And she so brazenly thumbed her nose at the justice system.
00:20:32.000And thirdly, she had a guy named Peter Strokes sitting in the briefing room with the FBI, who we now know is a partisan hack, who was worried that Trump was going to be a death to democracy, and he gamed the system for her.
00:20:45.000So Jim Jordan just sent a letter to Merrick Garland essentially outlining this two-tiered system of justice that we've been railing against.
00:20:54.000And he's highlighting the fact that Hillary was treated with kid gloves.
00:21:00.000We inherited a country where Nixon was pardoned.
00:21:05.000They understood in those days that to indict and to arrest and imprison a former president, regardless of the allegations against him, would be so terrible for the nation that we wouldn't do it.
00:22:50.000But the point is, there was no precedent under which he was supposed to base his decision-making matrix off of that would have indicated he was going to get raided at Mar-a-Lago.
00:22:58.000There was nothing to indicate that they were going to actually indict him and have him face 100 years in prison.
00:23:32.000The irony is that some people speculate Donald Trump announced for the presidency early.
00:23:39.000Because he thought he'd be given special legal protection from the Department of Justice based on their memo where they said we don't go active after candidates.
00:23:48.000But in reality, his strength in the polls, his strength of the grassroots, his strength in the general election is now actually making him more likely to be treated unfairly criminally.
00:24:01.000So you're saying if he was polling at 10% right now, this doesn't happen.
00:26:19.000You actually have to be looking at this.
00:26:21.000You have to be looking at this sort of in two scenarios, right?
00:26:23.000One, he's going to suck up all the oxygen.
00:26:26.000I'm sorry, but we're not going to be talking about anything else except for Trump's indictments, possible looming prison time, whatever, right?
00:26:33.000And two, if he is removed from the chessboard, which I'm assuming there's an appeal process, right, Blake?
00:26:40.000Even if he is, even if he's convicted, right?
00:28:56.000If you play the victim correctly, as if all of a sudden you are the one that is being terrorized, you are the one that is being treated terribly, your popularity and sympathy can go up.
00:29:18.000No, but he, yeah, so to make Trump a sympathetic figure is absolutely a difficult messaging, publicly, you know, publicly messaging challenge, okay?
00:30:39.000I think he'll be mandated for maybe the beginning and the sentencing.
00:30:43.000In the sentencing if they go to him, the verdict.
00:30:47.000But what he's going to do is he's going to be present for it at the beginning, and then he's going to leave.
00:30:52.000And if it happens before the election, he's going to go campaign and all this, this and that.
00:30:56.000But according to Jonathan Turley, he's not, this will not happen until if and when he wins the presidency or loses it, in which case, if he wins, he will then be able to pardon himself, which he absolutely will do.
00:31:35.000So what Trump is going to do, this is only, by the way, when you talk about presidential mandates, can you imagine the presidential mandate to deconstruct the administrative state, the Leviathan, all this, the deep state, all the things we'd say, he could also fundamentally transform the way the FBI, the DOJ, and the CIA are all structured.
00:32:16.000So Trump should honestly just let this play out till Tuesday and not say anything before Tuesday so the judge has any reason to issue a gag order.
00:32:26.000So just like play it easy, man, till Tuesday, right?
00:33:03.000If the Department of Justice gets his way, he will die in federal prison just by one of these counts.
00:33:08.000Conspiracy to obstruct justice, which has a 20-year maximum sentence.
00:33:14.000This is a disgusting, disgusting mark on American history for the future to come by these bandits in the White House, by the Democrat Party that don't play fair anymore.
00:33:28.000They don't want to just win elections.
00:33:30.000They want to take control of this country.