The Charlie Kirk Show - June 09, 2023


Inside the Trump Indictment with Andrew Kolvet


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The details of Donald Trump's indictment have been made public, and it's a doosey! We take a deep dive into the details of the indictment, and discuss what it means for the future of the Trump administration.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 The indictment is made public.
00:00:03.000 The details of Donald Trump's indictment, we walk through that.
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00:01:05.000 Okay, so a little bit of a detour.
00:01:08.000 Usually this is our ask me anything.
00:01:10.000 We talk about philosophy and religion and the deeper things in life.
00:01:13.000 Yeah, we don't have time for that.
00:01:15.000 We don't have time for that.
00:01:16.000 Deeper stuff is a later time.
00:01:17.000 We're going super shallow.
00:01:18.000 Well, sort of.
00:01:19.000 It's actually deep into something.
00:01:20.000 We're going to just talk about the indictment.
00:01:21.000 The indictment has dropped.
00:01:22.000 Breaking news.
00:01:23.000 So this is detailed, detailed, detail.
00:01:25.000 The indictment has now dropped against Donald Trump.
00:01:28.000 First of all, let's just remind ourselves this is an indictment.
00:01:31.000 So the facts here are not bulletproof.
00:01:34.000 It could be hearsay.
00:01:35.000 It could be stuff that is circumstantial.
00:01:38.000 It could be flawed evidence.
00:01:40.000 It's the government we're dealing with after all, right?
00:01:42.000 Now, there could be some of those truths, some that's not true.
00:01:45.000 Let's just be very clear.
00:01:46.000 This is an indictment.
00:01:48.000 This is not a conviction.
00:01:49.000 I don't trust the government.
00:01:51.000 I don't trust Biden's Department of Justice.
00:01:53.000 But we are going to, just to give you a warning, we're going to go through this indictment.
00:01:56.000 And so we're saying things.
00:01:57.000 We're not saying that they're true.
00:01:59.000 We're saying this is what the indictment says so you can know what we're up against.
00:02:01.000 Okay.
00:02:02.000 Initial impression.
00:02:04.000 Way longer than I thought.
00:02:06.000 It's a long document.
00:02:07.000 This is not Alvin Bragg.
00:02:08.000 Yeah, Alvin Bragg was what?
00:02:10.000 Like a paragraph, right?
00:02:11.000 It was not a paragraph, but it was short, right?
00:02:15.000 But it was also repeating the same charge.
00:02:15.000 Much shorter.
00:02:18.000 It was 37, 34 times, whatever that number was.
00:02:21.000 Again, this is far more serious.
00:02:24.000 Yeah, this has a specific story that they are laying out, and they are essentially, I mean, we should start at the beginning.
00:02:31.000 Let's start at the beginning.
00:02:33.000 Okay, so this is United States of America v. Donald Trump and Waltine.
00:02:36.000 Not just, let's just take a pause.
00:02:38.000 Just to read that.
00:02:39.000 America versus Trump.
00:02:39.000 Yeah.
00:02:41.000 It's a bad day.
00:02:42.000 It's really awful.
00:02:43.000 Yeah.
00:02:44.000 Okay.
00:02:44.000 Sorry to interrupt.
00:02:45.000 So yeah, so basically what they are laying out here is that, you know, Donald Trump took that, you know, the Trump indictment says that he took classified docs that include info regarding defense, weapons capabilities of U.S. and foreign countries, our allies, U.S. nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities of U.S. and its allies to military attacks, and plans for possible retaliation should we be attacked, our response to an attack,
00:03:13.000 that he kept those at his residence at Mar-a-Lago, that he was asked to return them.
00:03:20.000 He returned some, and that he had his co-conspirator, as they are outlining, Mr. Waltine Nada, basically move some of the boxes.
00:03:30.000 And then they asked for them again, at which point his attorney then delivered about approximately 38 boxes, or 38 more documents to them.
00:03:41.000 And at that point, unconvinced that he had returned all the documents in question, that's when the raid happened.
00:03:48.000 Okay.
00:03:49.000 And they are alleging that Mr. Trump obstructed justice by lying not only to the FBI and to the Department of Justice, but to his lawyers, so that his lawyers would then lie to the Department of Justice as well and to the National Archives.
00:04:08.000 And they also were alleging that on two different instances, he was essentially recorded, which is the CNN story that dropped Friday morning, alleging that he was caught on tape.
00:04:18.000 And you have that specific back and forth, which is interesting.
00:04:22.000 I'm already going to defend Trump with this.
00:04:24.000 This is showmanship type stuff.
00:04:25.000 This is him with friends and buddies.
00:04:27.000 This is not indictable.
00:04:28.000 This is very, very weak.
00:04:30.000 Okay.
00:04:31.000 And that's probably the calculus if you're in the Trump camp at this time, right?
00:04:34.000 You're saying, listen, this is a paperwork dispute.
00:04:37.000 I got a thousand problems.
00:04:38.000 This is probably low on my list, right?
00:04:41.000 So he had, so going through the timeline again, Charlie, we got on January 17th.
00:04:45.000 This is right, I'm reading verbatim from the indictment now.
00:04:49.000 Nearly one year after Trump left office and after months of demands by the National Archives and Records Administration, NARA, for Trump to provide all missing presidential records, Trump provided only 15 boxes, which contained 197 documents with classification markings.
00:05:05.000 So that's January 7th.
00:05:07.000 On June 3rd, so that's about 11 months after he left office.
00:05:10.000 On June 3rd, in response to a grand jury subpoena demanding the production of all documents with classified markings, classification markings, Trump's attorneys provided to the FBI 38 more documents with classification markings.
00:05:23.000 So that's June 3rd.
00:05:23.000 So January 17th, he provides 197 documents.
00:05:27.000 On June 3rd, he provides 38.
00:05:29.000 And then on August 8th, pursuant to a court-authorized search warrant, i.e., Merrick Garland signed off on it, the FBI recovered from Trump's office and a storage room at Mar-a-Lago Club 102 more documents with classification markings.
00:05:44.000 So that was when they actually raided Mar-a-Lago.
00:05:46.000 They got another 102 documents.
00:05:49.000 They say that they know probably from witness testimony that Donald Trump had a habit when president of basically having cardboard boxes in his office or whatever and collecting memorabilia, letters, things like that, and apparently classified documents.
00:06:07.000 The question then, Charlie, to me then becomes: you know, why the Department of Justice was so intent on getting these documents?
00:06:16.000 Did they fear that Trump was actually going to leak them on WikiLeaks?
00:06:20.000 Did they fear that he was going to use them as political retaliation?
00:06:24.000 Did they look?
00:06:25.000 Here's the thing: obviously, there's this pent-up incentive, right?
00:06:28.000 So when you have someone that is a threat to the neoliberal order, Tucker, Bannon, Fangino, the Uniparty, the regime, the Leviathan.
00:06:39.000 You flood the zone, right?
00:06:40.000 For those of you that know your football analogies, right?
00:06:43.000 You have three defenders, you put five receivers, right?
00:06:45.000 You just can't defend everybody, right?
00:06:46.000 You flood the zone, you overwhelm the system, or you just deploy everything you can, right?
00:06:52.000 So you just say, okay, what do we have at justice?
00:06:54.000 What do we have on civil lawsuits, right?
00:06:54.000 What do we have this?
00:06:56.000 And there is kind of like this central command center, which is run by Reid Hoffman and Lorene Powell Jobs, Mackenzie Bezos, right, that are kind of conducting the whole thing.
00:07:05.000 Can we please get that clip?
00:07:06.000 Every orchestra needs a conductor.
00:07:08.000 I just think it's perfect.
00:07:10.000 But basically, it's not as contrived as I think we put it, Andrew.
00:07:13.000 It's just that they're just throwing everything they could against the wall, and all of a sudden they are like, oh my goodness, did we, you know, we just hit the quote-unquote jackpot, if I hated Trump, where he happens to have a bunch of documents, and this is our vector.
00:07:30.000 I mean, it seems to me like, right, that's the vector.
00:07:33.000 Yeah, but here, you know, we go back to that Schumer clip, right, Charlie, where we've got the, you know, for apparently, what does he say, for a, you know, supposedly smart businessman, we have the clip.
00:07:44.000 Yeah, let's play it.
00:07:45.000 But I mean, you know, he basically says you're not being very smart.
00:07:48.000 And what I see laying out before us, Charlie, is a sort of dogfight between two hardened sides.
00:07:57.000 And I believe that the intelligence community was worried that what Trump was keeping.
00:08:03.000 And by the way, here's another little wrinkle before we move on here.
00:08:07.000 This is another wrinkle.
00:08:08.000 This is from the Independent yesterday.
00:08:11.000 It says the use of U.S. Section Code 793, right?
00:08:16.000 Section 793.
00:08:17.000 makes, and this is the Espionage Act, right?
00:08:20.000 So they went from the Presidential Act to the Espionage Act, which threw everybody for a loop yesterday.
00:08:25.000 So here's why, though, is understood to be a strategic decision by prosecutors that has been made to short-circuit Mr. Trump's ability to claim that he used his authority as president to declassify documents he removed from the White House and kept it as Palm Beach, Florida property.
00:08:41.000 So what they have done is they were anticipating that that was going to be a strong defense from Trump to keep these.
00:08:47.000 And so they're intentionally circuiting it and saying, it doesn't matter.
00:08:51.000 You are withholding privileged documents related to U.S. national defense and security.
00:08:56.000 Therefore, we're going to get you on espionage charges.
00:08:58.000 Yep.
00:08:59.000 But again, the North Star, as you call it, you termed it that the Schumer clip is the North Star.
00:09:03.000 It is the North Star.
00:09:04.000 It is the fulcrum point of the Trump story.
00:09:07.000 Yes, the Trump story started politically on the golden escalator, and it goes to this moment.
00:09:13.000 And it's like BC and AD, right?
00:09:16.000 Yeah.
00:09:17.000 Which is before Chuck Schumer going on Maddow and revealing the intelligence community.
00:09:21.000 Because at that point, that was basically Chuck Schumer's Lexington and Concord moment, right?
00:09:26.000 Shot heard around the world.
00:09:27.000 The intelligent agency are coming after you.
00:09:29.000 The wolves are out.
00:09:30.000 I think what we should do in the next segment, Charlie, I think we should break down just how dogged the intelligence community has been pursuing Trump throughout his entire tenure.
00:09:40.000 Let's name it.
00:09:40.000 Let's talk about it.
00:09:41.000 Who are the Intel agencies?
00:09:43.000 Who are these people?
00:09:44.000 Who staffs them?
00:09:46.000 These are the same people that, according to, according to RFK Jr. killed JFK.
00:09:52.000 RFK Jr. saying it, not me.
00:09:54.000 He's saying that the government killed JFK.
00:09:55.000 I think we can look at this through a lens of let's let's assume that this indictment is 100% true, that everything they said is true, and then we can look at it and say that it's not true.
00:10:03.000 Again, I find things in here.
00:10:05.000 I don't believe it.
00:10:06.000 Again, I don't want to do the DOJ.
00:10:08.000 You also know the president.
00:10:10.000 You know how he talks.
00:10:11.000 You know how he considers it.
00:10:12.000 I think there's some bravado in some of this that is being missed in just the transcript.
00:10:16.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:10:17.000 And I think there's context and context to, you know, and that doesn't mean the document was not necessarily declassified or not.
00:10:17.000 Absolutely.
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00:11:20.000 Take on the intelligence community.
00:11:22.000 They have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. 0.99
00:11:25.000 So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. 0.84
00:11:31.000 What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were moving? 0.91
00:11:34.000 I don't know, but from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them. 0.78
00:11:41.000 And supposedly, for a hard-nosed business guy, this is a really dumb thing to be doing.
00:11:47.000 Trump has been charged with 37 counts, is what we're looking at. 0.79
00:11:51.000 Facing 100 years.
00:11:52.000 100 years in prison.
00:11:54.000 Trump charged with 37 counts.
00:11:56.000 Okay, I want to just reiterate something.
00:11:58.000 I am not saying we're trusting this indictment.
00:12:01.000 I'm just giving you the facts, everybody. 0.67
00:12:02.000 Yes, these are the same group of cockroaches that doctored the January 6 footage and added music for dramatic effect, right? 0.88
00:12:09.000 So it's the same regime, okay? 0.96
00:12:11.000 They tamper with evidence, they do all this.
00:12:13.000 Some of this very well might be true, some of it might be totally fraudulent.
00:12:16.000 We're just reading the indictment, okay?
00:12:17.000 Because we're getting a lot of emails.
00:12:19.000 Oh, Charlie, I don't trust any of it.
00:12:21.000 God bless you.
00:12:22.000 I probably agree with a lot of people.
00:12:23.000 Oh, by the way, remember, Jack Smith's wife produced Michelle Obama's documentary, Belonging.
00:12:28.000 Yes, and she produced a riveting thriller. 0.50
00:12:32.000 We're in harmony with you.
00:12:33.000 Yes.
00:12:34.000 We'll find out what's true and what's not true in the indictment, but it's important that you know what's actually on the document.
00:12:38.000 So, Andrew.
00:12:39.000 Yeah, no, I mean, we were talking about Charlie.
00:12:42.000 It's a running theory here, right?
00:12:44.000 So, the government is saying that he maintained and withheld these documents.
00:12:49.000 So, they're short-circuiting now, right?
00:12:52.000 Let's just, again, there's a lot of moving parts here.
00:12:55.000 So, they're using Section 793, which is the Espionage Act, which they think will short-circuit the Presidential Records Act, right?
00:13:02.000 Because they were anticipating that he had a strong defense to say, hey, I had the right as president by simply speaking it out into the world that I could declassify these documents.
00:13:13.000 That's really hard to prove.
00:13:14.000 Kash Patel and others have said that, hey, yeah, the president actually did do this.
00:13:18.000 I was involved in the declassification effort.
00:13:20.000 I remember him doing it as we were leaving the White House, okay?
00:13:23.000 So, they're anticipating that.
00:13:24.000 So, then they say, well, no, these are related to national defense, national security.
00:13:29.000 So, we're going to short-circuit that.
00:13:30.000 We're going to go espionage act, right?
00:13:32.000 So, and here's the piece: they said, deliver, transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
00:13:45.000 Can be punished by as many as 10 years in prison.
00:13:49.000 It is understood that prosecutors intend to ask grand jurors to vote on the indictment on Thursday, which now we know has happened.
00:13:54.000 Again, this was published on Wednesday and was leaked to the press.
00:13:57.000 Again, we're seeing the same MO, the same MO, the same pattern playing out.
00:14:02.000 Leaks, then what we see leaked actually happens, right?
00:14:06.000 To allow for a complete presentation of evidence or to allow investigators to gather more evidence for presentation if necessary.
00:14:12.000 So, there's this is my theory, all right?
00:14:13.000 So, this is what we're building out beforehand.
00:14:16.000 I just put together a quick list.
00:14:18.000 This is not going to be comprehensive, but here's a couple ways in which Trump has been dogged by the intel agency.
00:14:25.000 We started this segment by playing the Schumer Six Ways from Sunday clip.
00:14:29.000 Think about it: the FBI spied on his campaign.
00:14:32.000 Trump famously said it was wide.
00:14:33.000 It was a crossfire hurricane.
00:14:34.000 Yes, he said, It was an inside job of the government against the people.
00:14:38.000 Yeah, Comey briefs him on the P-tapes and the Christopher Steele document.
00:14:43.000 That briefing then gave the press a legitimate hook in which to leak that to the public.
00:14:49.000 So, then everybody starts talking about it.
00:14:51.000 Yeah, and then you had sessions and you had Flynn.
00:14:55.000 He was badly entrapped Flynn in the White House, which they did not do to Hillary Clinton.
00:14:59.000 Stroke was in the room with Clinton and basically gave her a free pass. 1.00
00:15:02.000 Okay.
00:15:03.000 He had the perfect call with Vinman that was recorded, then leaked, and which led to his impeachment.
00:15:08.000 And we had the whistleblower, remember Eric Shimmarella?
00:15:12.000 That would then be part of the CIA.
00:15:14.000 Yeah, he was the one that was on the phone call.
00:15:16.000 He was a special attache, right?
00:15:18.000 So think about all of these different touch points that Trump has had.
00:15:22.000 So I want to play this out.
00:15:23.000 I'm not saying it's true.
00:15:24.000 I'm not saying the indictment is true.
00:15:25.000 I'm saying let's play this out both ways.
00:15:27.000 Say what's in the indictment is true.
00:15:30.000 I started immediately asking the question: what was Trump getting at here?
00:15:33.000 Well, he probably figured he had covers.
00:15:36.000 He was covered by the Presidential Records Act.
00:15:40.000 Secondly, that he has been playing, he's been in a dogfight with the deep state and the intel community since the jump.
00:15:50.000 They do not like him.
00:15:51.000 Schumer says, from what I hear, they're not happy with the way he's been talking about me.
00:15:56.000 So he's keeping certain documents probably as an ace in the hole.
00:16:00.000 If the indictment is true, as it reads, all right?
00:16:04.000 Again, this is one side of the argument.
00:16:06.000 This is one side of the argument, right?
00:16:09.000 You can get an indictment against a ham sandwich, right?
00:16:13.000 I found something important.
00:16:14.000 So keep going.
00:16:14.000 All right.
00:16:15.000 No, but the point is, this is one side of it.
00:16:19.000 If it's true, if the government's case here is true as it reads, what's Trump's motivation?
00:16:24.000 Trump knows that he has been dogged by a corrupt Intel community that is coming after him, that has come after him, and that he's holding an ace in the hole.
00:16:34.000 The indictment states that Trump's trial would take between 21 and 60 days, of which he would most likely have to sit and be president the entire time during an election.
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00:17:59.000 Okay, let's play Cut 127.
00:18:02.000 As soon as I saw the espionage mention, I realized this is probably one of these extraordinarily weak, elastic cases where the law is stretched to fit the person, where you have La Brenti Berry to the KGB talking to Stalin and saying, show me the man and I'll find you the crime. 0.58
00:18:21.000 Now, we're not the Soviet Union.
00:18:22.000 We're not a banana republic, but we have to do everything in our power, Democrats, Republicans alike, to stop that from happening to our beloved country. 0.87
00:18:32.000 Well, it's already happening, Professor.
00:18:34.000 I got to be very honest with you.
00:18:35.000 I appreciate the insistence.
00:18:37.000 I appreciate you having the courage as a Democrat to speak out.
00:18:40.000 But, Andrew, it's already happening.
00:18:43.000 This sort of Dershowitz 1980s, 1990s, you know, liberal, I'm going to defend the classical liberal tradition.
00:18:53.000 We're in a postmodern era now.
00:18:55.000 Yeah, I mean, what Der said something, I think, pretty interesting there.
00:18:58.000 He's basically saying that the statutes are all being so overly expanded, applied unevenly.
00:19:06.000 And he's absolutely right.
00:19:07.000 And everything that we know about Jack Smith seems to indicate that that's his MO, right?
00:19:13.000 He was overturned by the Supreme Court nine to nothing for doing something very similar in the state of Virginia earlier on in his career.
00:19:21.000 I think he is prepared to stretch the statutes, play sort of novel games with the legal code as we see them pivoting to this espionage strategy, right, to short circuit, as they said, the Presidential Records Act.
00:19:35.000 And they're saying he wasn't approved to have these.
00:19:39.000 I think the other piece of this that's interesting and worth reiterating time and time again is the disparate treatment between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
00:19:49.000 Hillary Clinton was a secretary of state.
00:19:52.000 She did not have the ability or the authority to declassify anything.
00:19:55.000 So she just destroyed him and destroyed him.
00:19:57.000 Which is way worse.
00:20:00.000 What was that clip?
00:20:01.000 With the cloth?
00:20:02.000 How do you do this?
00:20:04.000 And now she's selling merch, talking about but the history of the money.
00:20:07.000 Hillary Clinton is celebrating and trolling all of you guys. 0.98
00:20:10.000 Yeah, it's really disgusting. 1.00
00:20:12.000 It's really disgusting.
00:20:13.000 Hillary Clinton will not go to jail because we do not have a Republican Party tough enough to go after him. 1.00
00:20:17.000 You know, and somebody said to me, well, but we wanted Hillary Clinton to go to jail. 1.00
00:20:22.000 Yeah, we did, and we still do because A, she wasn't president. 1.00
00:20:25.000 She didn't have the right to declassify anything.
00:20:27.000 And she so brazenly thumbed her nose at the justice system. 1.00
00:20:32.000 And thirdly, she had a guy named Peter Strokes sitting in the briefing room with the FBI, who we now know is a partisan hack, who was worried that Trump was going to be a death to democracy, and he gamed the system for her.
00:20:45.000 So Jim Jordan just sent a letter to Merrick Garland essentially outlining this two-tiered system of justice that we've been railing against.
00:20:54.000 And he's highlighting the fact that Hillary was treated with kid gloves.
00:20:58.000 And this is the last thing I'll say.
00:21:00.000 We inherited a country where Nixon was pardoned.
00:21:05.000 They understood in those days that to indict and to arrest and imprison a former president, regardless of the allegations against him, would be so terrible for the nation that we wouldn't do it.
00:21:19.000 There was prudence.
00:21:20.000 There was reserved treatment.
00:21:23.000 There was an understanding that you don't blow up the country politically and culturally.
00:21:28.000 No, they don't care about any of that.
00:21:29.000 No.
00:21:29.000 Because for Donald Trump, the rules don't.
00:21:31.000 So instead of narrowly applying things with prudence and using a rational, conservative...
00:21:36.000 Or instead of beating Trump through the system, they have to create a new system to do it.
00:21:40.000 And I think that's the last point.
00:21:41.000 Maddow gave up the goose.
00:21:43.000 She said, straight up, yeah, we should, I don't know what number it is, but it's there.
00:21:47.000 Where Maddow, who's Operation Mockingbird spokesperson, she says, look, the DOJ should be a plea deal.
00:21:55.000 She's telling you she's afraid he can win the presidency again.
00:22:00.000 Yes.
00:22:00.000 This is about preventing him from being president.
00:22:03.000 And I don't know about you.
00:22:04.000 This only strengthens my resolve as an American.
00:22:09.000 And a lot of people in the audience are like, I've never been so behind Trump because of this.
00:22:13.000 Yes, I totally agree.
00:22:14.000 I think he's going to be.
00:22:16.000 I feel the vibe.
00:22:17.000 This is a witch hunt.
00:22:18.000 And I'm not, okay, listen, I'm not a lawyer.
00:22:21.000 I'm not in the Department of Justice.
00:22:22.000 I get it.
00:22:23.000 I don't know.
00:22:24.000 He probably was sloppy or essentially.
00:22:29.000 Here's my other theory: he was basing this on the precedent that the FBI and the DOJ set with Hillary Clinton.
00:22:34.000 He's basing a problem.
00:22:35.000 He assumed that he assumed this was.
00:22:37.000 He was probably saying, like, oh, Obama has documents that are required to do it.
00:22:40.000 I got a thousand problems.
00:22:41.000 This is low on my list.
00:22:42.000 So, yeah, should it have been handled differently?
00:22:45.000 Was there some malfeasance by the attorneys?
00:22:47.000 Did he sort of play cat and mouse with him?
00:22:49.000 I don't know.
00:22:50.000 But the point is, there was no precedent under which he was supposed to base his decision-making matrix off of that would have indicated he was going to get raided at Mar-a-Lago.
00:22:58.000 There was nothing to indicate that they were going to actually indict him and have him face 100 years in prison.
00:23:03.000 100 years ago.
00:23:05.000 By the way, he's not only the leading Republican candidate for president, he is the leading candidate for president.
00:23:05.000 100 years.
00:23:11.000 He is currently outpolling Joe Biden by a large margin.
00:23:14.000 So all of these things combined together.
00:23:17.000 And we play this cut 113.
00:23:20.000 You have to remember that it's not just a scenario where they're expanding the threshold.
00:23:25.000 They are trying to remove him.
00:23:27.000 None of this would be happening if he wasn't running for president again.
00:23:30.000 Well, and that's the irony, isn't it?
00:23:32.000 The irony is that some people speculate Donald Trump announced for the presidency early.
00:23:39.000 Because he thought he'd be given special legal protection from the Department of Justice based on their memo where they said we don't go active after candidates.
00:23:48.000 But in reality, his strength in the polls, his strength of the grassroots, his strength in the general election is now actually making him more likely to be treated unfairly criminally.
00:24:01.000 So you're saying if he was polling at 10% right now, this doesn't happen.
00:24:06.000 I can't say that.
00:24:07.000 I think Bragg would have happened no matter what.
00:24:09.000 I think that Bragg is totally.
00:24:11.000 It totally might happen no matter what.
00:24:13.000 And George is...
00:24:14.000 Boy, my goodness.
00:24:16.000 You see, this is the, this is, I'm going to repeat the buried lead.
00:24:20.000 So, Blake, you're going to have to help me live on air here.
00:24:23.000 So, federal charges come down.
00:24:25.000 Now, remember, Jack Smith venue shopped because he didn't want to be delayed in Florida.
00:24:30.000 I mean, delayed in D.C.
00:24:31.000 So, there's probably usually a five to six month wait after the first hearing, right?
00:24:36.000 Let's say seven or eight months.
00:24:36.000 Is that fair?
00:24:39.000 Well, in the case of D.C., what was that?
00:24:41.000 That was early May, and they're saying December.
00:24:44.000 This is super important.
00:24:45.000 Early May now to December, right?
00:24:46.000 So, let's say it's eight months waiting before trial.
00:24:49.000 Yes, maybe it depends on Trump and how many motions he files and stuff.
00:24:56.000 He can insist on a speedier trial.
00:24:58.000 Or he could throw up a lot of barriers, challenges.
00:25:02.000 His lawyers can file.
00:25:03.000 So, let's pretend, looking at other Department of Justice stuff, this is going to be super high-profile.
00:25:10.000 Let's say that it's a year from today that the trial comes, okay?
00:25:15.000 They say that the trial could take between 20 and 60 days.
00:25:21.000 Okay, that's two months.
00:25:23.000 That's a month.
00:25:25.000 Now, he has to be sitting there.
00:25:26.000 Now, Blake, from my understanding, though, if you're sitting on trial, it's not like a civil case.
00:25:32.000 You have to be there, right?
00:25:33.000 Correct?
00:25:35.000 Yeah.
00:25:36.000 You can't just outsource it like a civil case.
00:25:38.000 There's special accommodations made for a former president, which there hasn't been any special accommodations made.
00:25:43.000 When you face federal charges, you have to be present the whole time.
00:25:47.000 Yes, I would assume.
00:25:49.000 Look it up.
00:25:50.000 I mean, for example, with the Gene Carroll nonsense, he didn't have to be there, right?
00:25:50.000 But look it up.
00:25:53.000 No, but that was a civil trial.
00:25:55.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:25:56.000 Right?
00:25:56.000 But this is important.
00:25:56.000 Yeah.
00:25:57.000 You're talking about Donald Trump could be sitting trial during the Republican National Convention.
00:26:04.000 Yeah.
00:26:04.000 He could be the nominee of the party and having to be sit trial.
00:26:08.000 New York is going to bubble up next spring, too.
00:26:11.000 George is about to be filed.
00:26:13.000 If you're DeSantis, if you are Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, all the rest, right?
00:26:18.000 Man.
00:26:19.000 You actually have to be looking at this.
00:26:21.000 You have to be looking at this sort of in two scenarios, right?
00:26:23.000 One, he's going to suck up all the oxygen.
00:26:26.000 I'm sorry, but we're not going to be talking about anything else except for Trump's indictments, possible looming prison time, whatever, right?
00:26:33.000 And two, if he is removed from the chessboard, which I'm assuming there's an appeal process, right, Blake?
00:26:40.000 Even if he is, even if he's convicted, right?
00:26:42.000 I mean, what.
00:26:44.000 So Turley thinks the trial will be after the election.
00:26:47.000 I'm sorry.
00:26:48.000 I'm sorry.
00:26:48.000 No.
00:26:49.000 I'm reading too fast.
00:26:50.000 He thinks it'll be before the election and that Trump will be able to pardon himself if he becomes president, obviously.
00:26:57.000 So basically, Donald Trump has an opportunity.
00:27:00.000 This is going to be my advice to Trump.
00:27:01.000 Do not make this about yourself.
00:27:02.000 Make it about the system.
00:27:04.000 Make it about all people that feel victimized by a tyrannical government, right?
00:27:08.000 And make your candidacy this massive constitutional referendum as I am the placeholder of a constitutional tradition.
00:27:16.000 Did they just hand Trump a capitalize?
00:27:19.000 It can't be about you, Miss.
00:27:21.000 In my opinion.
00:27:22.000 This whole witch hunt, I do believe, I agree with you.
00:27:22.000 But here's the thing.
00:27:25.000 I think the base is going to galvanize.
00:27:27.000 The base is going to galvanize around Trump.
00:27:30.000 I think in the primary, you might slough off a few that are just like done, right?
00:27:35.000 They're just exhausted by the whole drama of it.
00:27:37.000 But I think he's still the odds on favor to win the primary, right?
00:27:40.000 We all agree.
00:27:42.000 The question then becomes: will this so weigh him down in a general that he is unelectable, right?
00:27:48.000 That's their hope.
00:27:49.000 That's got to be their hope, right?
00:27:50.000 Their hope, their calculus here is that this will.
00:27:53.000 It depends on how we message it.
00:27:56.000 It depends if we can move the Overton window, and it depends how Trump handles it.
00:27:59.000 If Trump, it's a very interesting thing, right?
00:28:03.000 You got to think of a swing voter in Wisconsin.
00:28:06.000 Because it's three states, right?
00:28:07.000 Trump's going to win Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, even under indictment.
00:28:11.000 This will help him in Miami.
00:28:12.000 Indiana, Texas.
00:28:13.000 Yeah, so it's going to come down.
00:28:14.000 Yeah, he'll win Texas.
00:28:16.000 He's going to come down to Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin.
00:28:19.000 Does this help him with a swing voter in Kenosha?
00:28:22.000 Does this help him with a swing voter in Scottsdale?
00:28:25.000 Does this help him with a swing voter in Buckhead?
00:28:29.000 I don't know.
00:28:30.000 But I do know that you can always use the enemy's energy against itself.
00:28:36.000 Always.
00:28:37.000 That is a rule of physics, okay?
00:28:39.000 It's not always easy.
00:28:41.000 It takes sometimes some maneuvering and some dodging and some placement.
00:28:45.000 But done properly, Donald Trump gets to do the one thing that in politics can make you rise in popularity.
00:28:53.000 You get to play the victim.
00:28:55.000 That's right.
00:28:56.000 If you play the victim correctly, as if all of a sudden you are the one that is being terrorized, you are the one that is being treated terribly, your popularity and sympathy can go up.
00:29:09.000 But boy, that is a needle the thread.
00:29:12.000 So here's what's interesting about being an alpha, right?
00:29:15.000 Trump is the ultimate alpha.
00:29:17.000 I don't like playing that card.
00:29:18.000 No, but he, yeah, so to make Trump a sympathetic figure is absolutely a difficult messaging, publicly, you know, publicly messaging challenge, okay?
00:29:32.000 This has done it time and time again.
00:29:34.000 So Trump gets to rattle off.
00:29:35.000 He gets to rattle off the Russia hoax.
00:29:37.000 He gets to rattle off the Mueller investigation.
00:29:40.000 He gets to rattle off 2020, too, how the FBI colluded with Facebook and Twitter and others to withhold the Hunter laptop.
00:29:48.000 There is a lot here.
00:29:49.000 And you combine this with the disparate treatment between him and Hillary Clinton.
00:29:53.000 He is being victimized by the U.S. federal government.
00:29:56.000 I think that much is an easy message.
00:29:58.000 It's a total fact.
00:29:59.000 Can you win sympathy?
00:30:03.000 So it's a mystery as to when the trial will actually take place.
00:30:06.000 On Tuesday, this is all going to kind of come front and center.
00:30:11.000 Donald Trump is going to have to be, he'll surrender again.
00:30:16.000 So he'll be facing charges in the federal.
00:30:19.000 I mean, this thing is such a joke.
00:30:21.000 It's such an, I was going to use some colorful language, but we're on FCC regulated mediums right now.
00:30:28.000 It's such a disgrace.
00:30:29.000 Yeah, I mean, so we do have one extra little clarification from the earlier segment.
00:30:34.000 Being president of trial is actually a defendant's right.
00:30:37.000 So he can leave.
00:30:38.000 So he can leave.
00:30:39.000 I think he'll be mandated for maybe the beginning and the sentencing.
00:30:43.000 In the sentencing if they go to him, the verdict.
00:30:47.000 But what he's going to do is he's going to be present for it at the beginning, and then he's going to leave.
00:30:52.000 And if it happens before the election, he's going to go campaign and all this, this and that.
00:30:56.000 But according to Jonathan Turley, he's not, this will not happen until if and when he wins the presidency or loses it, in which case, if he wins, he will then be able to pardon himself, which he absolutely will do.
00:31:09.000 I mean, he should.
00:31:10.000 He'll run on.
00:31:11.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:31:12.000 And he's going to pardon a bunch of people.
00:31:13.000 He's going to pardon Jay Sixers.
00:31:16.000 And I want to go back to this.
00:31:18.000 We talk about this Intel clip being the North Star, right?
00:31:21.000 Schumer Situation Sunday.
00:31:23.000 The second North Star is Jim Comey saying, can you imagine?
00:31:27.000 Can the country survive four years of a retribution presidency?
00:31:33.000 So preemptive.
00:31:35.000 So what Trump is going to do, this is only, by the way, when you talk about presidential mandates, can you imagine the presidential mandate to deconstruct the administrative state, the Leviathan, all this, the deep state, all the things we'd say, he could also fundamentally transform the way the FBI, the DOJ, and the CIA are all structured.
00:31:55.000 He could move them to Iowa, folks.
00:31:58.000 I mean, like, this could happen.
00:32:00.000 And by the way, he could work with Congress to sort of ring fence some of those funding, that funding.
00:32:05.000 But one of the, you know, one of the X factors is: will they put a gag order on him?
00:32:11.000 This is a question, right?
00:32:12.000 Will a judge put a gag order on him?
00:32:14.000 And we don't know, right?
00:32:16.000 So Trump should honestly just let this play out till Tuesday and not say anything before Tuesday so the judge has any reason to issue a gag order.
00:32:26.000 So just like play it easy, man, till Tuesday, right?
00:32:29.000 Yeah.
00:32:30.000 I mean, but I can't imagine Trump even like I'm just, I mean, it would be really bad for the country and the campaign.
00:32:36.000 I mean, could you imagine that election interference?
00:32:38.000 Oh, by the way, you're under indictment and you can't talk.
00:32:41.000 And if you talk, you're going to be, you're going to go to jail.
00:32:44.000 Jeez.
00:32:45.000 Okay.
00:32:46.000 Let's play some pieces of tape here as we are going through the indictment.
00:32:51.000 The details are developing in real time as we are processing this.
00:32:55.000 I want to play Mark Levin, play cut 110.
00:32:59.000 President Trump is 76 years old.
00:33:03.000 If the Department of Justice gets his way, he will die in federal prison just by one of these counts.
00:33:08.000 Conspiracy to obstruct justice, which has a 20-year maximum sentence. 0.92
00:33:14.000 This is a disgusting, disgusting mark on American history for the future to come by these bandits in the White House, by the Democrat Party that don't play fair anymore.
00:33:28.000 They don't want to just win elections. 0.97
00:33:30.000 They want to take control of this country.
00:33:32.000 They want one-party rule. 0.83
00:33:34.000 And they have used the Department of Justice and the FBI to get what they want.
00:33:39.000 They are using the federal agencies to get what they want.
00:33:42.000 And now Woodrow Wilson was the father of the American administrative state, hated the Constitution, gave us the Espionage Act.
00:33:51.000 And now here we are, Donald Trump, at war with the administrative state.
00:33:55.000 Yeah, and I think that the battle lines were drawn in 2016, Charlie.
00:34:00.000 Honestly, when you think about the way that this indictment was written, it goes all the way back to comments he made in his campaign.
00:34:08.000 That's right.
00:34:08.000 And then it's literally commentary.
00:34:10.000 They're trying to do the ooh, we thought you were big on the thing.
00:34:14.000 That should not be in the indictment.
00:34:16.000 It's completely irrelevant.
00:34:17.000 And it's so trying to set a PR moral standard of you violated your own morality.
00:34:22.000 That's a Hillary Clinton wink and nod in the indictment, by the way. 1.00
00:34:25.000 Well, and 100%.
00:34:26.000 And you just think back to the missed opportunities, Charlie, of 2016, 2017, where we had both houses and the presidency.
00:34:33.000 We controlled the apparatus of government in Washington, D.C., and we failed to understand the threat that Trump was facing.
00:34:41.000 You could point fingers all you want.
00:34:42.000 I mean, all of this stuff is unprecedented, and it's hindsight 2020.
00:34:46.000 But now we have to deal with it because it didn't get dealt with then.
00:34:53.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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