Frank Turek joins the program live from the Our Believers Summit where he spoke at the Turning Point Action portion of the conference. He is a conservative commentator, author, and political apologist. He has written 5 books on politics and has been involved in politics for over 20 years. He also is a frequent contributor to conservative publications such as The Weekly Standard and Christianity Today. He is the author of the book, Correct, Not Politically Correct, a book that explains why Christians should be in politics and why they should vote for Donald Trump. He has been a long time supporter of the Trump campaign and believes that Christians should have a voice in the 2020 election. In this episode, he talks about his views on the Democratic platform and why he thinks Christians need to get involved in the political process and why it s a good idea to have a Christian in politics. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and become a Member today at memberscharliekirk.co/tpsusa to get immediate access to all of the latest episodes of The Charlie Kirk Show and learn more about what s going on in the world of politics, culture, and culture. Thank you for listening and supporting the show! Charlie and God bless you! -Timestamps: 1:00 - What is a Christian politician? 2:30 - Why Christians should get a say in the election? 3:15 - How Christians should run for president? 4:00 5:00- Why Christians are better than Democrats have a moral neutral position? 6: Is there no such thing as neutral? 7: What is the only thing there is neutral in the public space? 8:40 - What does the Bible says about morality? 9:30- What are we should be allowed to be neutral in public policy? 11:15- What does that mean? 13:40- Is there a moral neutrality? 14:40 15: What do we have to be a Christian? 16:10 - What are you have a right to be morally neutral in our government? 17:20 - Is there such a moral position in our country? 18:20- What's a right position in the only position that s neutral in my job? 19:10- What should we have a neutral position in my view of the Bible? 21:10
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00:02:36.000I was doing work for Fortune 500 companies like Cisco and Bank of America, and when they figured out I had written that book, they fired me in the name of inclusion, tolerance, and diversity.
00:02:47.000Because inclusion, talent, and diversity doesn't mean inclusion, talent, and diversity.
00:02:50.000It means if you don't agree with our values, we will hurt you.
00:02:54.000We will exclude you for holding a diverse view.
00:02:57.000So two of my five books are on politics.
00:02:59.000I'm always interested in politics, and I think Christians need to be involved in politics, because are only atheists qualified to run the country?
00:03:06.000I mean, where do we come up with this idea?
00:03:10.000And so I was speaking as a private citizen last night, Not as a representative of my organization, CrossExamine.org, I was speaking as a private citizen.
00:03:20.000And I just point out that when you look at the two platforms, they couldn't be more different.
00:03:27.000And not that the Republican platform is perfect, it's not.
00:03:30.000But it is much closer to the most important matters of the law that the Bible talks about, that Jesus talked about when he was talking to the politicians of his day.
00:03:39.000It's much closer to those issues, and it has the better view on those issues than the Democrat platform.
00:03:46.000So you said something I really want to emphasize, which is so important, and unfortunately far too many Christians and people who are conservative will fall into this trap, which is neutral morality in the public space or neutral morality in the government or educational space.
00:04:02.000Which is, I'm not here to tell you how to live your life, let's just make morally neutral laws.
00:04:35.000Let's take a very controversial issue that's been, it wasn't controversial, you know, 20, 30 years ago, but marriage, okay?
00:04:42.000Years ago, homosexuality was prohibited.
00:04:46.000In fact, in 1986, a Bowers v. Hartwick was a case that went to the Supreme Court, and they upheld state anti-sodomy laws.
00:04:56.000The court reversed itself in 2003, Lawrence v. Texas, and they said, no, states, you can't say that sodomy is now something that you can prohibit.
00:05:11.000Once you said, however, that now marriage includes same-sex couples, now you've gone from permit to promote.
00:05:19.000Now we're promoting the idea that a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, are the same thing to society as a man and a woman, which is clearly not the case.
00:05:30.000The reason the government's involved in marriage to begin with is to perpetuate and stabilize society.
00:05:37.000It's not to recognize the romantic affinity between two people.
00:05:40.000Why would the government care about romantic affinity?
00:05:43.000The government cares about whether or not you're going to come together and stabilize and perpetuate society.
00:05:50.000The most stable form of government is the biological two-parent family.
00:05:57.000Now if we're going to say that Same-sex relationships are on par with opposite-sex relationships, then what we're essentially saying is that the marriage relationship doesn't matter gender-wise.
00:06:11.000If it doesn't matter gender-wise, then marriage has nothing to do with children, and if marriage has nothing to do with children, what institution do we have set up to take care of children?
00:06:21.000So, just from even a natural law, common sense perspective, equating Homosexual relationships and opposite-sex relationships makes no sense from a societal standpoint, but that's what we've done.
00:06:34.000We've gone from prohibit to permit to promote.
00:06:43.000And through Easter becoming the Transgender Day of Awareness and all that, you know, Corinne Jean-Pierre lecturing that she's a lesbian or whatever, right?
00:07:33.000So, there's a four-part sequence that goes, which is first, they want you to tolerate certain behavior.
00:07:41.000Let's use the trans thing, and I want to really dive in on that, because you gave a phenomenal sermon at Jack Kibb's church, a teaching sermon, on the trans issue.
00:08:20.000The last step, which is where we're going, is participation.
00:08:24.000And you might say, but I'm a heterosexual.
00:08:27.000How do I participate in such homosexual or transgender stuff via your children?
00:08:34.000So your participation is releasing your children to this mafia.
00:08:40.000So we went from a way of, you're a bad person because you don't tolerate the trans-elitary, to now, in California, it's a perfect example.
00:08:49.000And I'm so glad President Trump said this in his speech.
00:08:52.000This is a winning issue, winning issue, and it is a life issue.
00:08:55.000Make no mistake, this is a life issue.
00:08:58.000And it is, in California, we went from, in the 1980s, you must tolerate the trans thing or the homosexual thing, where now there is a law where a teacher is forbidden by law to notify the parent if a 12 or 13 year old is trans.
00:09:22.000The law is that the parent should have to, Now the parent, the teacher, by law, if the teacher calls up the parent and says, hey, Susie is on hormone blockers and she's going by Steve, against the law.
00:09:36.000So that is participation via children.
00:09:39.000Because they cannot reproduce, so they must recruit.
00:09:45.000Isn't it interesting that the state of California now automatically thinks that parents are guilty of abuse?
00:10:23.000I don't really blame the people that have a different worldview because they think what they're doing is right and true.
00:10:30.000It's us that haven't been engaged enough!
00:10:34.000Look, I've been doing this for almost, well, over 30 years now, and I have yet to find a person like Charlie Kirk.
00:10:43.000Somebody who is an outspoken evangelical Christian who realizes the importance because If we give up the political landscape, we're not loving people.
00:10:57.000He realizes the importance of that and now he's organized enough people that we can actually make a difference here.
00:11:04.000So this is so important what you've been doing.
00:11:12.000Where have the other Charlie Kirks been over the years?
00:11:15.000I haven't been able to find enough people who are Christians, outspoken evangelical Christians, who can make an argument, who can also make an argument on the political side.
00:11:31.000And coming from you, Frank, that means a lot.
00:11:33.000But there's some great voices out there.
00:11:36.000The one thing I will say that makes us different is that we are also doers, not just communicators.
00:11:42.000And because we're starting chapters, we have Turning Point Academy, we have ballot chasers, we have... The hardest part of my job... Speaking is easy for me.
00:12:30.000And it is the Lord, and he deserves all the credit, because he's blessed this organization so amazingly.
00:12:39.000Let me say another thing about the trans issue, because I think it's very confusing to people.
00:12:44.000And let me just say a couple things on it.
00:12:47.000First of all, on one hand, the trans community, or The people who support this try and say that there are an infinite number of genders, right?
00:13:07.000But, on one hand they're trying to say it's an infinite number, but on the other hand, logically, for their movement to even be possible, there can only be two.
00:13:16.000Because if I'm a man, and I think I'm a woman, I have a psychological mismatch between my psychology and my biology.
00:13:24.000I have to have some idea what a man is and some idea what a woman is to know I have this psychological mismatch.
00:13:29.000If there were no fixed genders, I couldn't even have gender dysphoria.
00:13:35.000Secondly, in order for me to make the so-called transition, which, as we all know, is physically impossible, you can't change your biology, You can change your mind, but you can't change your biology.
00:13:45.000But if I try and make that transition, I again have to have some idea what a man is and some idea what a woman is to even try to transition.
00:13:54.000So on one hand, they're trying to say, no, there's no fixed genders.
00:13:57.000On the other hand, Transgenderism and transgender ideology would be completely impossible if there weren't fixed genders.
00:14:05.000Also, I don't know if you've noticed, there's a bit of a civil war within the so-called LGBT community.
00:14:11.000It's not really a community, because if the T's get their way, the L's, the G's, and the B's don't exist.
00:14:17.000Because how can you be lesbian, gay, or bisexual, even heterosexual, unless there are fixed genders?
00:14:25.000So, the whole thing is built on an illogical house of cards, and we just need to point that out, and the way to point it out is actually what Matt Walsh does, is he asks a question.
00:15:44.000to the sequence of how this degeneracy devolves into family destruction, childhood destruction.
00:15:52.000And California is the worst of all the offenders currently, but Oregon has taxpayer-funded, you know, gender mutilation surgery, for example, for minors.
00:16:30.000And so my argument is that you might be well-intended when you say that, or even accept that, but we got trans because we accepted a false premise when it came to the lesbian and the gay issue.
00:16:46.000If you accept that your identity is in your private sexual behavior, and that is your identity, then don't be shocked all of a sudden when someone says, well, my identity is then in me being a boy when I'm a girl or a girl when I'm a boy.
00:17:01.000Your identity is much bigger than just what you are attracted to sexually.
00:17:07.000Actually, there's only two identities, saved and unsaved.
00:17:10.000Those are the only identities that actually matter, right?
00:17:13.000All the other identities are rather... And then I would say male and female are pretty important, because God cares about those distinctions as well.
00:17:21.000In fact, I don't buy into the premise that because you have a particular attraction, that the action that flows from that is something good and right.
00:17:31.000Not just good and right, but that's who you are.
00:17:34.000I mean, for example, we do not have people walk around this conference saying that, you know, I'm an adulterer and you should accept me.
00:17:43.000Well, you know, kind of the phraseology out there, even among the progressive so-called Christians, they're not really Christians, because if you're progressive, you're not actually moving closer to the truth, you're moving further away.
00:17:55.000And if you're disagreeing with Jesus, you're not a Christian.
00:17:57.000But in any event, when they say that, I want to live my authentic self, what we should be saying is, I need to be saved from my authentic self.
00:18:17.000Let's suppose you woke up this morning in here in the hotel, and when you went into the bathroom to get ready, you looked in the mirror and there was a sign attached to your head that transmitted every single thought you had.
00:18:28.000You couldn't turn the sign off, you couldn't cover it, no matter where you went today, everyone could read every single thought you had.
00:18:35.000Would you be sitting here right now if that sign was on your head?
00:19:58.000Yeah, you are enough, which is just, I don't even know what that means.
00:20:02.000And the Christian world has embraced so many of these things, where the word, the heart one is a perfect example.
00:20:11.000And President Trump aside, I hear pastors say this, where they'll say, you know, you gotta follow your heart, or whatever your heart wants you to do, or, you know, love is love, Can you feel it now?
00:22:21.000If you put your identity in, say, your sexual preference, say, what happens when you are no longer sexually preferred or you can no longer sexually perform?
00:23:12.000of Jesus, we call him John, wrote a gospel which is really a biography, says in the first chapter he's given you the right to become a child of God by trusting in what Christ has done.
00:23:25.000That's an eternal identity you can't lose.
00:23:28.000But all these temporary identities, our authentic self, our authentic self, the God of the universe had to come into this world and take torture upon himself in order to cure us of our authentic selves.
00:23:42.000And we want to follow our authentic selves.
00:23:56.000I actually think I wrote it down on my phone.
00:23:57.000Okay, yeah, I think we ought to ask questions rather than make statements on this issue because as soon as you start asking questions, people can't answer them.
00:28:07.000So this is why Young ladies are 80% of pediatric gender mutilation because they have puberty anxiety, so they want to get rid of the organ that is giving them anxiety.
00:28:22.000Trans issues when it comes to young women is almost all unaddressed puberty anxiety.
00:28:32.000With, and this is very important, and I'm sorry to keep interrupting you Frank, but it's that there has almost never been a case In Dr. Miriam Grossman's experience, Dr. Jordan Peterson's research, of all people, there's almost never been a case of somebody that is quote-unquote trans, that does not have underlying bipolar issues, schizophrenic issues, depression, generalized anxiety disorder.
00:28:55.000And so the trans issue, it would be like this.
00:28:58.000If I'm a clinician, which again, none of this is medicine.
00:29:01.000We have thrown out all the rules of medicine and we've brought in witchcraft.
00:30:23.000You know, a perfect analog, as Dr. Paul McHugh at John Hopkins, the psychiatrist, said, transgenderism has an analog, a perfect analog known as anorexia.
00:30:35.000If someone is an anorexic, you would never go to them and say, you know, you're right, let me give you liposuction.
00:30:41.000You would say, honey, your mind is playing tricks on you, you need nutrition.
00:30:46.000In other words, you would treat the medical condition as a delusion.
00:31:29.000No, and the secondary point to this, how did we get here?
00:31:33.000Number one, the way that we started to do education was a pupil-driven model of education.
00:31:40.000not a teacher-driven model of education, where, and I lived through this, where the teacher all of a sudden believes that the students are correct, and the students must lead the educational environment, and you hear it all the time, which is, well, you never know the wisdom of a fourth grader.
00:31:59.000Yeah, like, fourth graders are really dumb, actually.
00:32:01.000There's not a lot of wisdom at all, and you should be teaching them.
00:32:04.000You shouldn't be, like, learning from fourth graders.
00:32:18.000We as Christians believe human beings are depraved, original sin.
00:32:21.000So if you believe human beings are basically good, as Jean-Jacques Rousseau would, so he preferred the infant over the adult, and the primitive over the civilized, then the younger you are, the more innocent you are, And therefore, the more correct you are, because you haven't been polluted or contaminated by this evil and terrible society.
00:33:05.000And when you examine them, this is why it's so easy to debunk these nimwits, is that they say, well, the indigenous people before colonialism.
00:33:20.000And by the way, just so we're clear, a recent archaeological discovery in southwestern New Mexico shows the greatest percentage of a genocide in the history of recorded people, where it was like one-fourth of all living people were killed, of two warring tribes that went to war with each other, like a thousand years before the Europeans ever came to North America.
00:33:42.000Let me just kind of complete the point, which is if you believe human beings are basically good, Therefore, you think that children are the ones that have the wisdom and we are the ones that are at fault.
00:33:55.000So then you extrapolate that to the trans issue.
00:33:58.000The 12-year-old must be right because they haven't been as contaminated by Western society as we have.
00:34:05.000The biblical idea that human beings are basically awful Is what built a free society.
00:34:11.000The New Age idea that human beings are basically good is what's destroying our society.
00:34:15.000And this is why people think socialism can work, because they think that people are inherently good.
00:35:16.000Honey, two months ago you were not trans and now you are.
00:35:20.000Do you think your feelings might change again?
00:35:23.000Then you can ask, have you ever considered that 80% of people like you who have this gender dysphoria grow out of it by the time they're 18, and 96% grow out of it by the time they're 26?
00:35:41.000And you might also ask, have you looked in to the consequences of trying to transition?
00:35:47.000I can almost guarantee you they haven't.
00:35:49.000Do you know there is no known protocol for sex change operation?
00:35:53.000Because it's impossible, you can't do it.
00:35:55.000This is why someone like Chloe Cole is suing her doctor, or doctors, because they did, in her opinion, Nazi-like experiments on her.
00:36:20.000If they say no to sex, I say, I can't help you with the God issue.
00:36:24.000If you can't look in the mirror and see what's staring at you in the mirror, and you won't acknowledge that, how am I going to convince you that there's an invisible being who created and sustains the universe?
00:37:09.000And I believe this, and I think that we, from a political standpoint if I may, we as Republicans are not playing offense enough with this issue during this election year.
00:37:20.000I think this is a 90-10 issue even with Democrats.
00:37:23.000I think that only the most puritanical left-wing zealots are in favor of this.
00:37:29.000For example, in Illinois, one of the worst states when it comes to this, the DNC is going to be in Chicago.
00:37:39.000We should just be nonstop talking about how children are being experimented upon and castrated.
00:37:47.000You agree, Frank, but I want you to give some theological context to this.
00:38:07.000By the way, our mutual friend Seth Dillon of the Babylon Bee, his folks at the Babylon Bee put together a wonderful little YouTube video called Woke Jesus.
00:38:43.000You don't help people by lying to them.
00:38:47.000And that's what silent pastors are doing, by the way.
00:38:50.000They're allowing the culture to overwhelm their congregants, and they're not correcting the misinformation.
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00:39:06.000During that time, China's life expectancy shot up 14 years, and India soared by 17 years.
00:39:12.000Seems a far cry from AOC's alarmist message that if we do not adopt her extremist policies and ideas, life would end, incomes would crater, and the world would end in 12 years.
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00:42:24.000The people that really had the land are now the colonialists, and the new folks, who never had a state, because Palestine was never a state, are somehow righteous.
00:42:34.000How do they flip – well, look, if liberals didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards, right?
00:42:43.000And they flip it because Israel and America are built on the Bible, and Israel is an outpost of Western society in a sea of totalitarianism, and they hate that.
00:42:56.000Because Israel has borders and Israel has a belief in the divine.
00:43:02.000So Israel must be destroyed at all costs.
00:43:05.000And I mean, Israel has plenty of problems.
00:43:06.000I'm not an apologist for the Israeli government, but this is what's very important.
00:43:30.000For the reason being is that they look at Israel being a colonialist project.
00:43:35.000And by colonialism, that's their Isn't it amazing that there are people who will smear Donald Trump as Hitler when these very same people are supporting, literally, the new Nazi party?
00:44:52.000Now, if you are able to find religious... It depends on the state, too.
00:44:56.000You are not allowed in California, as a mental health professional, to give therapy to trans youth that tells them anything other than affirmation.
00:46:17.000The future doctors and future medical professionals are taking an oath To crush white supremacy and to elevate BLM and trans zealotry in their industry.
00:46:49.000Remember that the Western medical tradition is being destroyed by wokeism, where they think, oh well, Native American healing practices are the same as antibiotics.
00:47:21.000So I grew up in a highly politically involved conservative Christian household, and I watched as the emphasis on political ideology and politics, and apologetics as well, took over my dad's heart and ultimately made him bitter and cynical.
00:47:50.000So, I had a prayer a year ago that the Lord would save me from ever becoming a political, hypocritical Christian, but to be a true confessing Christian with the heart of Christ.
00:48:00.000Now here I am, somewhat involved in politics and intending to grow more deeply involved.
00:48:05.000Do you have any advice or recommendations to guard my heart and to not become what I see hypocritical and religious on the right?
00:48:18.000I think one thing we need to say is that just because some people can go to an extreme doesn't mean people can't get involved politically properly.
00:48:29.000In other words, you don't judge a philosophy by its abuse, you judge it by its proper use.
00:48:35.000So yes, Christians should be involved politically, but like anything, we can go too far in any one of a number of areas of life.
00:48:42.000So I think maybe if you get some personal accountability with people, and you have a good prayer life, and you ensure that politics isn't at the top of your priority list, it's somewhere in there, At the top of our priority list should always be Jesus, should always be knowing God and making Him known.
00:48:59.000But as Charlie has said so well, in fact he'll say it better than I will right now, I tried to make that point last night that politics affects our ability to preach the gospel, but you put it in a succincter way.
00:50:36.000If it wasn't this event, almost every Saturday, with a couple exceptions, from Friday night to Sunday morning, I turn off my phone and there is no work.
00:50:43.000This is a great way, I believe God gave it to us for many reasons, to guard against false gods.
00:50:48.000For six days you shall work, for the seventh day you shall rest.
00:50:52.000The Sabbath, which literally means stop in Hebrew, Shabbat, which means to cease all activity, I believe has been the greatest, the least observed of the Ten Commandments of the American Church for the last 30 years.
00:51:06.000I would say that, and I'm not here as a moralist or as a legalist, you guys know how I'm approaching this, but if God repeatedly wants us to stop activity, which remember, the Sabbath is the longest standing celebration and ordination of time celebrating what?
00:51:23.000God creating the heavens and the earth.
00:51:25.000Do every week, do we take time and say, God, thank you for creation?
00:51:29.000You're going back to Genesis 1-1 every week.
00:51:31.000Number two, it's easier to honor your parents, easier to have a strong family, easier to not covet, easier to not steal, easier to not murder, easier not to commit adultery when you're completely stopping all activity.
00:51:42.000It makes all the other commandments easier.
00:51:44.000And finally and most importantly, as we hyper-rush into modernity right now, with phones and television and social media, what a great biblical way to reset our soul and our being every week and disconnect from all of that chatter.
00:52:03.000So I'm a big believer that you become what you do, And what you do needs to be biblical disciplines that don't take thought after periods of time, but they are good for you, such as honoring the Sabbath, calling, you know, observing the Sabbath, calling your parents and honoring them, but also reading your Bible every single day, getting around a community that really cherishes you.
00:52:25.000You are an average of the five people you spend most time with.
00:52:30.000So a good homework assignment is write those five people down, that's who you become.
00:52:34.000And if they're gossipy, and if they are not Christian or secular, you become that.
00:53:33.000Okay, look, most versions are okay, there are some that are not, like the Passion Version, or the New World Translation, or yeah, they're, you know, they're... But most Bibles are okay.
00:53:43.000The bigger issue is we need to realize there are no verses in the Bible.
00:53:56.000The chapter and verse divisions were added about 500 years ago to help us navigate the text, which is really important, because it'd be hard to find your way around this big series of documents we call a Bible if you didn't have numbers in it, right?
00:54:08.000I mean, imagine if some pastor, your pastor, got up one Sunday morning with this huge book, didn't have numbers, he didn't have numbers in his book, you didn't have numbers in your book, and he just looked at you and he said, Let's go about two-thirds of the way in.
00:54:20.000Let's see if we can find the same spot, right?
00:55:30.000And so, part of the question is, I see younger men, like Charlie's age, that are very involved with politics, but getting them to step into the church, like that 25 to 35 age group, it seems impossible to draw them in.
00:56:45.000What men want when they go to church is very different than what women want.
00:56:50.000Women typically do not respond very well to a gospel that says, you're a terrible sinner, get your act together, you're a loser, you need Jesus, and you better step up.
00:57:03.000That is very, very, very hostile to modern, suburban, love-eat-pray, you know, Christianity.
00:57:12.000Or is it eat-pray-love, or I got it all messed up, right?
00:57:37.000And it was very masculine, very direct.
00:57:40.000And there is a template there, there is a blueprint there, and it is a hot gospel that does not pander, that says the politically incorrect but biblically correct stuff, and men will come for spiciness.
00:58:14.000You're enabling evil if you approve of everything somebody wants to do.
00:58:19.000That's why so many churches have gone off the rails, with men especially, because they think, oh, we're just going to approve of everyone, we're just going to love everyone, when men go, no, that's wrong!
00:58:37.000This is going to divide mother and daughter, father and son.
00:58:40.000How often have you heard those passages talked about?
00:58:42.000In fact, I got a text 10 minutes before I was going on last night from somebody in my extended family that said, holy blank, Frank, I can't believe you're doing this.
00:59:37.000He meant That, I'll give you an example, if some child comes out as trans or gay, what's probably more likely to happen is the parent is going to throw God under the bus and side with whatever the child wants out of love and approval.
00:59:55.000When in fact that child needs the approach we mentioned earlier.
01:00:19.000And to close that out, as we have the connectals, is that men will be more likely to go to a turning point or a Trump rally because there's direct no's we won't put up with, and these are rules that they won't get at church.
01:00:34.000At church, it's a lot of acceptance and love and compassion.
01:00:37.000At Trump, I was like, no, we're going to deport people.
01:00:39.000And that speaks to a masculine energy of order.
01:00:43.000They see chaos in society, and they want order.
01:00:47.000They go to church, and they see a welcoming and a platforming of the chaos.