The Charlie Kirk Show - Iran: Peace At Last?

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00:01:17.000 Happy Tuesday, everybody.

00:01:19.000 I hope you had a nice Memorial Day weekend.

00:01:21.000 We are back.

00:01:22.000 This is the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:23.000 It is May 26th.

00:01:26.000 I had a great Memorial Day weekend.

00:01:27.000 Blake had a great Memorial Day weekend.

00:01:29.000 It was awesome.

00:01:29.000 Although, if you're watching live, I'm wearing a hat because I went to Monument Valley and got scorched across the entire top of my head.

00:01:36.000 Yeah, which is.

00:01:37.000 Amazing, actually.

00:01:38.000 Monument Valley is a total treasure in this country up near the Four Corners area.

00:01:42.000 Very remote, but you got to wear that sunset.

00:01:44.000 Five hour drive.

00:01:46.000 We got to get right into it here because it's a huge day.

00:01:49.000 The grassroots is rising up, the base is rising up in Texas, and it is the last day to vote in the runoff between Attorney General Ken Paxton and incumbent establishment John Cornyn.

00:02:04.000 And here to help us out is Ken Paxton himself.

00:02:07.000 Mr. Attorney General, welcome back to the show, sir.

00:02:10.000 Hey, so good to be back on a very important day for Texas and I think for the entire nation to send the right message to Washington, which is hey, we're done with the establishment telling us that we're going to keep a guy that doesn't do the things that Texans care about and does exactly what Washington wants him to do.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:29.000 So, so exactly, sir.

00:02:30.000 So, first of all, let's get into the mechanics.

00:02:33.000 Okay, today is the last day to vote.

00:02:35.000 What are their action steps?

00:02:37.000 You know, you are turning point action endorsed, your President Trump endorsed.

00:02:41.000 You are the movement conservative in the race.

00:02:44.000 You are the base and the grassroots conservative.

00:02:46.000 You're the fighter.

00:02:47.000 Where do people listening right now in the state of Texas, what are their marching orders?

00:02:52.000 Very simple.

00:02:53.000 We have till seven o'clock today.

00:02:55.000 I wouldn't push it till the end because the lines will be longer at the end of the day.

00:02:58.000 It's just after 11 o'clock in Texas.

00:03:01.000 So you have, what, eight hours to go vote?

00:03:03.000 I would really encourage people to get out, vote today, take a friend, take a family member, call a couple of friends because voter turnout or runoff.

00:03:13.000 Is going to be relatively low.

00:03:14.000 I think for the primary, it should be around 10 or 12%.

00:03:17.000 For the runoff, it's probably going to be 5 or 6%, maybe 7%.

00:03:20.000 So your vote is leveraged 20 or 25 times if you're voting and if you're bringing friends, we're going to win this election.

00:03:28.000 That's a really important point.

00:03:30.000 So turnout is going to be on the lower side.

00:03:32.000 That's just what happens here, which makes you in this audience, especially if you're in Texas right now, have an outsized impact.

00:03:39.000 Okay.

00:03:40.000 So you need to get up, make a plan, go vote today.

00:03:44.000 We need to.

00:03:45.000 Absolutely, once and for all, put an end to the establishment's hostile takeover of the base and of Texas.

00:03:53.000 I mean, this is, let's just give the audience a little bit of an understanding here, Mr. General.

00:03:59.000 How much money has been spent against you at this point, and whose interests are vested in Senator Cornyn?

00:04:08.000 This is almost a very high percentage of money.

00:04:11.000 It's probably close to $150 million at this point.

00:04:14.000 We won't really know until it sells out, but it was about $100 million during the original primary.

00:04:18.000 In the last three months, they're probably in the $40 to $50 range.

00:04:22.000 So lots of money coming from DC for the most part.

00:04:26.000 And the idea that they're used to being successful, and if you look at the last 40 or 50 years, Other than Bill Cassidy, there's only been two other incumbents that I know that have lost from the U.S. Senate during a primary.

00:04:37.000 That was Richard Luger in 2012, because it was a small state and it was self-funder who beat him, Richard Murdoch.

00:04:43.000 And then Mike Lee in a convention state, Utah, where money didn't matter, he was able to win.

00:04:48.000 So it's very unusual because there's so much money coming in and they try to convince you from D.C. that your guy is just what you want.

00:04:55.000 John Cornyn loves Donald Trump.

00:04:57.000 John Cornyn is for the border wall.

00:04:59.000 And the guy that he's running against is terrible.

00:05:01.000 This is what they do with their $150 million.

00:05:03.000 And voters go, well, you know, maybe this is all true, and that isn't going to work this time.

00:05:07.000 Yeah, well, listen, he's been out all over Fox News this morning.

00:05:10.000 I saw you were on Fox as well.

00:05:12.000 This is not a, you know, but look, candidly, that's one of the few places that'll have him right now.

00:05:18.000 And by the way, we do Fox, and there's nothing there.

00:05:20.000 I'm just saying this is one of the few places that'll hear him out right now because base conservative movement shows like ours, like War Room, it's not going to happen.

00:05:31.000 Here, check this out.

00:05:32.000 This is him on Fox smearing you and saying that he can help the president.

00:05:37.000 This is his final message to the voters.

00:05:40.000 SOT 23.

00:05:42.000 I know the president cares a lot about the congressional races that are right below the Senate race, and I won by 10 points in 2020.

00:05:49.000 So I think I could be the most help to the president and his agenda in the last two years of his term of office and all the down ballot races.

00:05:57.000 And Ken Paxton will be an albatross.

00:05:59.000 He could well lose, but even if he doesn't lose, he will win by such a razor thin margin that it's likely to have a negative drag on the down ballot races in Texas.

00:06:10.000 So, this is his new talking point today, sir, that you are an albatross.

00:06:14.000 Your response.

00:06:15.000 Do you know who he said that about?

00:06:18.000 He said that about Donald Trump in 2016.

00:06:20.000 He said, Donald Trump is an albatross around the Republican Senate.

00:06:24.000 So, this is a talking point that he's been using against Donald Trump.

00:06:28.000 And now he's pulled it out for the race against me.

00:06:30.000 And by the way, he didn't tell you that I won my last race by about 10 points.

00:06:36.000 And so, what he's talking about is he's got this narrative going because he knows he doesn't have anything good to present.

00:06:44.000 To the voters.

00:06:45.000 And so he says, Look, I didn't do anything in my 42 years in office.

00:06:49.000 I haven't accomplished one good thing.

00:06:50.000 And no one's ever been able to tell me, by the way, in this entire campaign, the one good thing he did.

00:06:55.000 And I've been asking that question since I got in the race 14 months ago.

00:06:58.000 And I've asked it at every meeting, one person, thousands.

00:07:02.000 And so he doesn't have a good talking point.

00:07:04.000 So what does he do?

00:07:05.000 He says, Look, I didn't do, he doesn't say it this way, but I didn't do anything good for the voters.

00:07:10.000 I don't take care of them.

00:07:11.000 I vote against them a lot.

00:07:12.000 I side with Joe Biden a lot.

00:07:13.000 I'm not for President Trump.

00:07:15.000 But I can win the election, vote for me.

00:07:17.000 Even though it's not true, it's not any different than me running.

00:07:20.000 The numbers don't indicate that he'll do any better.

00:07:22.000 Matter of fact, some polls have me doing better than him.

00:07:24.000 So this is just a made up talking point.

00:07:26.000 And that's part of how he's used his money to try to convince voters of something that's not true.

00:07:33.000 So, Ken, I was looking up here since he said he said the same thing in 2016.

00:07:36.000 I thought, oh, let's check that if that was a paraphrase.

00:07:38.000 No, literally, verbatim, this is CNN in February 2016.

00:07:43.000 Majority Whip John Cornyn raised serious concerns about Donald Trump's surging presidential bid.

00:07:47.000 Quote, we can't have a nominee be an albatross around the down ballot races, Cornyn told CNN when asked if he had concerns.

00:07:55.000 That is a concern of mine.

00:07:57.000 Unquote.

00:07:57.000 That is remarkable.

00:07:58.000 That is a total boom.

00:08:02.000 Was John Cornyn right about that?

00:08:04.000 I mean, look, he didn't come back and admit that he was completely wrong on Donald Trump.

00:08:09.000 As a matter of fact, he doubled down in 2024 and said, Guess what?

00:08:14.000 President Trump's day is over.

00:08:16.000 His day is over.

00:08:17.000 And we need another nominee that can lead the party and do better in the general election.

00:08:23.000 So again, he didn't use the albatross word, but he said, His day is done.

00:08:28.000 And what I'm saying today is no, John, President Trump's day is not done.

00:08:32.000 Your day is done.

00:08:33.000 Yeah, it's obscene too.

00:08:35.000 I mean, he's been weak on immigration.

00:08:37.000 He's been weak on MAGA, America First.

00:08:39.000 He's a total establishment crony.

00:08:41.000 $150 million poured into this race that should have been used on other races.

00:08:45.000 Targeting you, smearing you is absolute proof in the pudding that we need to get these guys out of D.C. once and for all. 0.67

00:08:52.000 They are not the right fit for Texas.

00:08:54.000 John Cornyn's got to go.

00:08:55.000 This is not in the bag, though.

00:08:57.000 People need to show up today.

00:08:59.000 Go to, and you were tweeting this link out, votetexas.gov.

00:09:03.000 Find a polling place.

00:09:04.000 Get behind Attorney General Paxton as your next senator from the great state of Texas.

00:09:11.000 Mr. Attorney General, final 15 seconds to you, sir.

00:09:15.000 Look, we have a chance to send a message.

00:09:17.000 It's one of two.

00:09:18.000 The first message is we're going to accept what they tell us in Washington.

00:09:21.000 We're going to keep their guy.

00:09:23.000 Second message, no, we're going to start shaking things up.

00:09:26.000 We're going to send somebody to Washington to actually do something good for the state of Texas and for this country.

00:09:31.000 Guys, the stakes could not be bigger in this race.

00:09:34.000 This is a giant.

00:09:36.000 Middle finger to you, the $150 million they pumped into this race that should have been spent in North Carolina, Georgia, should have been spent in Michigan.

00:09:44.000 Instead, they're trying to take out a good man that the grassroots loves, the base loves.

00:09:49.000 Sir, we got to have your back.

00:09:51.000 We got to get a.

00:09:52.000 Let's go big.

00:09:53.000 I want to see a decisive victory defeating John Cornyn today in the state of Texas.

00:09:59.000 I believe the Texans can do this.

00:10:01.000 God bless you, sir.

00:10:02.000 We got your back 100%.

00:10:04.000 President Trump endorsed, Turning Point Action endorsed.

00:10:08.000 And, you know, I think more importantly than anything, grassroots endorsed.

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00:10:14.000 It's a low turnout race.

00:10:15.000 Your vote means more now than it ever has in Texas.

00:10:18.000 So if you're listening in Texas, get out, make a plan, and bring your friends with them.

00:10:23.000 Thank you, sir.

00:10:24.000 We'll talk to you soon on the other side of hopefully a victorious day in Texas.

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00:12:15.000 All right, so it's a huge day in many respects.

00:12:17.000 We just spoke with Attorney General Ken Paxton in the state of Texas, who is taking down a Goliath.

00:12:25.000 This is a David versus Goliath.

00:12:27.000 $150 million spent on that primary.

00:12:32.000 Not even to beat a Democrat, to beat a Republican, a good Republican who has President Trump's endorsement, who has Turning Point Actions endorsement.

00:12:40.000 You just think about the conversations they might have after this, because they probably told some people, you know, you're expected to pony up for this sure thing 100%, and it's going to be a very awkward phone call the next day.

00:12:50.000 Yeah, I mean.

00:12:51.000 So you set $150 million on fire for a primary that you lost.

00:12:55.000 Just think about what we could have done with that.

00:12:56.000 But this is such an important moment.

00:12:59.000 In our politics, because these guys keep trying to claw their way back in.

00:13:04.000 Okay.

00:13:04.000 The neocon wing of the party is gone.

00:13:08.000 It needs to be in the dustbin of history.

00:13:10.000 This is a party.

00:13:11.000 We are.

00:13:11.000 President Trump was elected on peace.

00:13:13.000 That's why we got to get peace in Iran.

00:13:16.000 We got to get this war, this conflict settled.

00:13:19.000 He was elected on the border.

00:13:22.000 John Cornyn's weak on that topic.

00:13:25.000 Extraordinarily so.

00:13:27.000 He's a total softy.

00:13:28.000 Everything in John Cornyn's being has been despite his voters.

00:13:32.000 He doesn't care about.

00:13:33.000 What real Texans want, real base conservatives, grassroots conservatives want.

00:13:37.000 And he's doing the same old tired line from the establishment that, oh, he's unelectable.

00:13:42.000 He's an albatross.

00:13:43.000 No, you know who the albatross is?

00:13:45.000 It's John Cornyn.

00:13:46.000 In a midterm election, it's a base turnout election.

00:13:49.000 That means if you get rid of the guy that gives the base enthusiasm they actually want to get behind, you're going to be an albatross to the rest of the down ballot elections.

00:13:59.000 And that's absolutely true.

00:14:01.000 So he's got it completely inverted.

00:14:02.000 Meanwhile, this weekend, President Trump's skipping Don Jr.'s wedding.

00:14:09.000 Everybody's going back to D.C. We're all speculating that there's going to be more kinetic warfare in Iran, that the war was going to restart in a really aggressive way, more fighting.

00:14:20.000 I was terrified of it, actually.

00:14:22.000 We were debating we were going to come in on Memorial Day weekend because a new strike had been set up.

00:14:27.000 And no, ultimately, that's not what happened.

00:14:31.000 We got news instead that there was a pending potential peace deal being negotiated and that it was serious.

00:14:38.000 Now, I was able to be a part of an on background call with a bunch of different people in the media.

00:14:44.000 It wasn't like special or something, but I was grateful to be invited to it.

00:14:48.000 And it was really telling.

00:14:49.000 So let me explain what I learned.

00:14:51.000 I learned that this expression, no dust, no dollars, okay, what does that mean?

00:14:56.000 It means a step by step process where if Iran makes good on something, then there will be a carrot as opposed to a stick. 0.72

00:15:05.000 And if they restart, we saw this weekend that we did strike some of these small boats trying to lay mines in the strait. 0.79

00:15:12.000 Now, what you need to understand is that we have a growing appreciation, understanding, and confidence in the leadership structure that has emerged after our strikes and taking the head of the snake operations that happened in Iran.

00:15:25.000 So we know kind of more now than we did before about who we're dealing with, who the hardliners are, who the moderates are.

00:15:32.000 And what we're trying to do is empower the moderates over the hardliners.

00:15:37.000 That war has not been won internally, but it does appear that the moderates are ascended.

00:15:42.000 So that's one thing you need to keep in mind here.

00:15:44.000 But something like the Strait of Hormuz mine land, it could be hardliners that still have power, still have some authority over some soldiers, dispatching them and going rogue and intentionally trying to blow up a peace deal.

00:15:56.000 We have our own hardliners in America that are trying to blow up the peace deal.

00:16:00.000 And that's the key here, Blake.

00:16:01.000 We need to empower and celebrate people that are actually trying to drive peace.

00:16:05.000 Because, listen, if you get the Strait open and gas prices go below three, if you can get the nuclear dust, then we've accomplished our missions that we set up.

00:16:15.000 And again, there's no pal to cash.

00:16:17.000 They wanted to make that extremely clear.

00:16:19.000 This is not Obama 2.0. 0.64

00:16:21.000 This is we will give you a modicum of sanctions relief if you make good on allowing us to destroy the nuclear materials. 0.58

00:16:29.000 We will give you more if you open the straight and keep it open. 0.75

00:16:33.000 And so the more good faith that you operate in Iran, the more relief you will get on the sanctions.

00:16:39.000 This would be a slam dunk, not only for President Trump, but it would be a slam dunk for the country and looking towards the midterms.

00:16:49.000 Peace will win.

00:16:51.000 I think it would.

00:16:51.000 I think we've seen there's been a lot of controversy over this.

00:16:56.000 There's been a lot of anger over this.

00:16:58.000 I think I go back to what I said when this first broke out.

00:17:04.000 I was talking about how Charlie felt about these things. 0.53

00:17:07.000 And I think the best way you can sell this to the public is if this is the last war we have to fight in the Middle East, if we can say we can come home, we're like, we don't have this Iran thing hanging over our heads forever, we don't need to have.

00:17:23.000 Tens of thousands of U.S. troops hanging around in the Middle East all the time because this could blow up at any point.

00:17:28.000 If President Trump is able to get a deal where he can say, this looks like a durable, long term peace, you know, we can have a few jets there, but we don't need these huge outlays.

00:17:37.000 We don't need to be spending billions and billions of dollars every time some radical decides to go off and start a fuss there.

00:17:46.000 I think he can present that as a long term win to the American people.

00:17:49.000 And then that can even hopefully win over the people who feel betrayed by the war breaking out in the first place.

00:17:54.000 Yeah, well, and that's the thing.

00:17:55.000 I mean, listen, if you can get the Nuclear material actually off the table.

00:17:59.000 You can reopen the straight.

00:18:00.000 I mean, those are our actual core objectives here.

00:18:04.000 We did not set out necessarily to get regime change.

00:18:08.000 I think that was a mistake by some of the hardliners on our side thinking that that was going to be automatic.

00:18:15.000 Okay, we knew that it wasn't going to be automatic.

00:18:16.000 That regime is deeply entrenched.

00:18:19.000 But if you can empower the moderates, if you can get the nuclear material, and this was the big breakthrough, this is why this big breakthrough is for the first time.

00:18:28.000 Iranian officials are seriously talking in depth about how to get that out of their country, whether it's China that helps, whether it's America, whether it's some third party.

00:18:37.000 They're actually understand that they need to give on that crucial topic, and that's the breakthrough. 0.88

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00:19:44.000 Without further ado, we're going to bring in the great Senator Bernie Moreno.

00:19:44.000 All right.

00:19:50.000 Senator, welcome back to the show.

00:19:51.000 It's good to have you.

00:19:53.000 No, thank you for having me and thank you for all you're doing.

00:19:55.000 Well, thank you, sir.

00:19:56.000 So I wanted to have you on because I saw you over the weekend and I thought you were hitting just the perfect note on X. You said President Trump just delivered another historic win for America and the world.

00:20:08.000 After showing unmatched strength against Iran, he's now securing a major deal to open up the Strait of Hormuz, stabilize energy markets, and prevent Iran from having a nuclear weapon.

00:20:17.000 Now, since you have put that out there on socials, there has been some back and forth, right?

00:20:24.000 We see that there was a skirmish in the Strait, that we actually struck some boats that were apparently attempting to lay some more mines.

00:20:32.000 But we can't let that derail this overarching, this bigger project of getting peace with Iran.

00:20:39.000 Sir, lay out the stakes for our audience here.

00:20:42.000 How important is this?

00:20:44.000 And I mean, I feel like we are on the precipice.

00:20:47.000 There was a background call with administration officials that I was on, and they said we're 90, 95% ironed out here.

00:20:54.000 What do you want to see happen next?

00:20:55.000 Well, first of all, I think it's important, especially for your listeners and the people who really care about the America First movement.

00:21:02.000 This is America First in action.

00:21:04.000 This is about putting the interests of the American people above all else.

00:21:07.000 This is not an endless war.

00:21:09.000 This is not foreign interventionism.

00:21:11.000 This is about a simple fact Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. 0.99

00:21:17.000 Because they'll use it. 0.99

00:21:18.000 They will attack us with a nuclear weapon.

00:21:21.000 President Trump had the courage to actually go in there and absolutely hammer them, destroy their Navy, destroy their Air Force, destroy their industrial capacity. 0.57

00:21:31.000 But of course, there are pieces left to do, which is open the strait, get that trade flowing back up, and collect all of their nuclear dust. 0.87

00:21:40.000 Now, we'll use a tool that allows us to release the frozen assets of Iran as they deliver that uranium dust back to us. 0.91

00:21:51.000 But we're going to do this on our terms.

00:21:53.000 President Trump doesn't believe in deals that are in any way other than to the benefit of the United States.

00:22:00.000 So, what we got to do is not buy into the talking points of the left.

00:22:05.000 Because, look, the Democrats are cheering, actively cheering for our country to fail, for our military to fail, for Iran to succeed.

00:22:15.000 They have no idea what the deal is, and yet they comment about it. 0.55

00:22:17.000 This is going to be a strong, great deal for the U.S.

00:22:20.000 That, yeah, what your point is really well made there, especially with.

00:22:24.000 People commenting on the deal when they don't know the specifics of it.

00:22:27.000 You know, that was happening even before this kind of background call that I was on, and, you know, people are trying to clear it up.

00:22:33.000 I mean, nobody has seen the actual deal points.

00:22:35.000 And by the way, nothing, there's no final deal.

00:22:38.000 So things are still in flux.

00:22:40.000 And one of the things that people in the audience really need to understand is that getting these final points over the finish line is extremely difficult because they're trying to hide the location of this, you know, the son, the new Ayatollah, if you will. 0.65

00:22:54.000 So, I mean, they're basically using carrier pigeons to get this stuff to him because they're so worried, and rightly so, that he'll be taken out.

00:23:04.000 But this dynamic, Senator, there are hardliners, even on the right, if you will, the neocon faction, that before this has even been made public, they're already screaming, they're wailing.

00:23:16.000 They want us to pursue regime change, they want us to re engage in kinetic warfare.

00:23:21.000 I'm like, no, first of all.

00:23:25.000 If we can get the dust, if we can reopen the Strait of Hormuz, this is an absolute slam dunk for the American people.

00:23:30.000 You're going to see gas prices fall below $3 a gallon heading into the midterm, sir.

00:23:36.000 That to me is a huge, huge piece of this.

00:23:39.000 What do you say to those hardline factions that want to see regime change?

00:23:43.000 Look, we're going to get our mission accomplished.

00:23:45.000 We're not going to go into an endless conflict.

00:23:46.000 Our mission was to make certain that they don't have a nuclear weapon.

00:23:49.000 If we accomplish that and we have the free flow of oil and the straight over moves, we're done.

00:23:54.000 Now, the other piece that's extremely important is we're going to turn the Abraham Accords.

00:24:00.000 I should say we, by the way, President Trump.

00:24:02.000 Is going to turn the Abraham Accords into a security military cooperation that spans the entirety of the Mideast countries.

00:24:10.000 And by the way, that may include Iran.

00:24:12.000 I think some of these guys that have been knocking the deal, I think they live in a decade that's long past.

00:24:21.000 We want peace and prosperity in the Middle East.

00:24:23.000 We want to make certain that we pay attention to our own neighborhood, our own needs domestically, and not get entangled there forever on some sort of social experiment.

00:24:30.000 We saw that within Iraq and Afghanistan, and President Trump's not going to do that.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, and I think this is, you're making an extraordinarily important point here, Senator, because a lot of people, they do this to Trump, they do this to Charlie.

00:24:41.000 They want President Trump to be the image in their head that he is, right?

00:24:46.000 They sort of project onto him what they most like about, you know, his campaign or whatever.

00:24:52.000 And they miss the fact that he's been calling for Iran not to have a nuclear weapon, you know, basically since the 80s.

00:24:58.000 And, you know, and Charlie, they do the same thing with Charlie.

00:25:01.000 I'm going to play this clip because Charlie understood the president, what makes him tick.

00:25:06.000 His instincts politically are better than most, if not all.

00:25:09.000 And this was just before Midnight Hammer, I believe, or it could have been right after.

00:25:14.000 But this was Charlie on with Jesse Waters right in that moment and explaining President Trump's actual military philosophy.

00:25:24.000 Sot 5.

00:25:25.000 President Trump understands his base extraordinarily well. 0.99

00:25:28.000 He knows that his base does not want another Iraq.

00:25:30.000 He does not want Libya, does not want a civil war or bedlam where the United States is left carrying the bag. 0.87

00:25:37.000 But also, President Trump has been morally clear for a decade.

00:25:40.000 Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.

00:25:42.000 And President Trump has the talent and the expertise to be able to thread that needle.

00:25:47.000 President Trump can get that deal done while fulfilling the mandate that the voters gave him.

00:25:52.000 So that is like the Charlie doctrine on the Trump doctrine.

00:25:56.000 He understands his base.

00:25:58.000 He doesn't want a forever war.

00:25:59.000 He doesn't want a quagmire.

00:26:00.000 Sir, we can declare victory if we get that dust and the strait is open, even without regime change, even without, you know, sort of like, you know, settling. 0.85

00:26:11.000 The Iran issue forever. 0.62

00:26:13.000 We still get what we want. 0.58

00:26:14.000 We achieve our objectives in a very powerful, positive way.

00:26:19.000 And we don't have to put boots on the ground.

00:26:21.000 We get to go focus domestically.

00:26:23.000 Am I missing something here, sir?

00:26:25.000 No, you're exactly right.

00:26:27.000 And by the way, he's also, President Trump, able to envision a world in which Iran is part of a security and trade agreement in the Middle East.

00:26:37.000 Some of these guys, again, they can't fathom that because they have a very black and white view of the world.

00:26:44.000 Look, our objective is simple.

00:26:45.000 Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.

00:26:47.000 The straight is open, and we get gas prices down where they were historic lows, by the way.

00:26:53.000 And then, by the way, also very important if Kamala Harris had been elected president, we'd be talking about $10 gallon gas.

00:27:00.000 They were cheering for gas prices to go up.

00:27:03.000 We got to keep that in mind.

00:27:04.000 But President Trump's accomplishing historic things.

00:27:07.000 He's not going to be pushed into a bad deal, unlike Obama.

00:27:10.000 This is a very, very pro America process here.

00:27:14.000 Yeah.

00:27:15.000 Well, when this started, I think a good perspective to have, we've talked.

00:27:19.000 Charlie didn't like the idea of regime change with Iran.

00:27:22.000 He expressed a lot of worry about this.

00:27:25.000 But we also thought the best outcome that we could have out of this is if President Trump is able to come home from negotiations and say, this was not another Middle East war.

00:27:35.000 This was the last Middle East war that America has to face.

00:27:38.000 Well, and listen, if you could deal with the nuclear problem, then that very well could be, right? 0.88

00:27:42.000 Because that's the overarching threat.

00:27:43.000 The missiles, the munition base that they had been stockpiling.

00:27:50.000 I think the point is, this would be historic.

00:27:53.000 And the hardliners that are pushing.

00:27:56.000 This is to be some sort of ground invasion, or we're going to restart kinetic activities instead of pursuing peace, I think is totally insane.

00:28:05.000 The president's instincts here are absolutely spot on.

00:28:08.000 He will be celebrated wildly by this show if he can achieve peace.

00:28:13.000 And I know the same is true for you, Senator.

00:28:15.000 We just have about 90 seconds left here, Senator.

00:28:18.000 Yeah, my entire adult life, we've been.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, go ahead. 1.00

00:28:21.000 I was going to say, my entire adult life, we've been dealing with a threat from Iran in the Middle East. 0.99

00:28:21.000 Go ahead. 0.99

00:28:26.000 Imagine, I look, I have a four year old grandbaby and two two year old grandbabies. 0.99

00:28:30.000 Imagine they live in an America that there is no more threat from the Middle East and we have peace and prosperity there.

00:28:36.000 That's an incredible historic accomplishment from President Trump.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, well, absolutely.

00:28:41.000 And Senator, just one word here the last few moments we've got with you.

00:28:45.000 We've got, you know, Senate, what is it?

00:28:47.000 11 days of work you guys accomplished in May is what you're going to tally up to.

00:28:53.000 What the heck is going on?

00:28:53.000 Can we get the Save America Act passed?

00:28:56.000 Like, is there any hope?

00:28:58.000 What's the next step, sir?

00:28:59.000 Well, look, we don't have the votes to do it.

00:29:01.000 We need some personnel change in the Senate. 0.93

00:29:04.000 We need to get more America First Patriots in the Senate.

00:29:07.000 That's what I'm hyper focused on.

00:29:09.000 But right now, we just don't have the votes to get it done.

00:29:12.000 Well, all eyes are on Texas today with Senator, hopefully, the future Senator Ken Paxton, current Attorney General.

00:29:19.000 So this last state to vote in the runoff there.

00:29:22.000 So we're behind them, sir.

00:29:24.000 Thank you for being an America First fighter.

00:29:26.000 Thank you for.

00:29:28.000 Pushing and fighting for peace.

00:29:31.000 Peace is the future.

00:29:32.000 Peace is what this movement is really all about.

00:29:34.000 So thank you, sir, for being one of the leaders in that.

00:29:36.000 God bless you.

00:29:37.000 Thank you.

00:29:38.000 Great conversation with Senator Bernie Moreno there.

00:29:41.000 Pray for peace and pray for Paxton.

00:29:44.000 Those are your two items on the docket today.

00:29:49.000 And I want to just one note of warning, caution to the audience.

00:29:55.000 You're going to be seeing a lot of propaganda flying back and forth.

00:30:01.000 About the details of the peace arrangement, potential peace deals, the way it's structured.

00:30:08.000 Please take everything with a huge grain of salt.

00:30:12.000 All right?

00:30:12.000 Take everything with a huge grain of salt.

00:30:14.000 So, you know, I'm looking at the headlines.

00:30:15.000 You know, Iran is saying they need $12 billion, you know, basically that's been tied up via sanctions.

00:30:25.000 They want that upon signing the deal.

00:30:28.000 And then 60 days later, they want the second half released.

00:30:32.000 Here's what you need to know.

00:30:34.000 There will be no money, no sanctions relief for Iran without actionable items that they have met, right?

00:30:44.000 So that they have obligations based on the framework of this deal.

00:30:49.000 They must meet them before any of this sanctions relief is going to happen.

00:30:53.000 That much I know.

00:30:55.000 I was on a background call.

00:30:56.000 Like I said, that much was extraordinarily clear.

00:31:00.000 They have to work and do something first for any relief.

00:31:04.000 Then they do something else in good faith.

00:31:05.000 There will be more potential relief.

00:31:07.000 All right.

00:31:08.000 You also have to be.

00:31:10.000 I just want to say this.

00:31:11.000 Listen, we don't necessarily get everything that we want in this deal all the time.

00:31:15.000 That's not the way deals work.

00:31:17.000 Okay.

00:31:17.000 You got to give something to get something often.

00:31:20.000 Otherwise, we're just going to be stuck in a situation where we're bombing in perpetuity.

00:31:25.000 That's how we've gotten into other conflicts that we abhorred. 0.69

00:31:29.000 So, if you want an example, how did the Ukraine war explode with Russia?

00:31:33.000 Well, one of the things was Russia was actually coming out and saying, we would like to negotiate on some of these points expansion of NATO, where you guys are putting missiles.

00:31:43.000 We have a proposed framework deal that we could use as a starting point for negotiations.

00:31:47.000 And our attitude was never, we basically refused to talk.

00:31:52.000 We just said, here's what you're going to do and you're going to accept it.

00:31:55.000 Or tough.

00:31:56.000 And then Russia decided to invade Ukraine, and we were suddenly just now we're on the hook.

00:32:00.000 We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a war that could have been avoided.

00:32:04.000 And I think there's lessons in that. 0.67

00:32:07.000 If we had been willing to, if we'd treated Russia seriously, even if we said we don't like a lot of what you do, a lot of what you do is bad, but we don't want a giant war either, that all could have been avoided. 0.95

00:32:18.000 And I think similarly with Iran, we can concede this is a backwards regime. 1.00

00:32:22.000 It's a stupid regime. 1.00

00:32:23.000 It's a regime that seems to despise its own people. 1.00

00:32:27.000 But we also.

00:32:28.000 It's not a country that we want to have 100,000 U.S. troops occupying.

00:32:32.000 It's not a country that we want to spend another 25 years trying to remake into a Western style democracy.

00:32:40.000 So, if we're going to be stuck living with them, how can we live with them?

00:32:44.000 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:32:45.000 Ultimately, it gets to a point where we've done what we can do that's essentially the easy part.

00:32:50.000 None of it's easy per se, but yeah, you can drop bombs and strike their manufacturing facilities.

00:32:56.000 You can take out their military.

00:32:58.000 You can put their navy at the bottom of the sea.

00:33:01.000 But what can they do? 0.68

00:33:02.000 They can cling on to power.

00:33:03.000 Their people are not armed.

00:33:05.000 They can intimidate, assault, murder their own people to the point where they're not willing to come out in the streets and overthrow them.

00:33:12.000 And they can cause us a lot of problems in the straight.

00:33:16.000 They can charge tolls, they can lay mines.

00:33:19.000 They could essentially keep the world's energy supply hostage.

00:33:23.000 Okay, so those are the dividing lines.

00:33:26.000 If you are going to overthrow the regime, to Blake's point, you're committing to.

00:33:31.000 Tens of thousands of U.S. troops being involved.

00:33:34.000 You're committing to a ground force that will take out the regime.

00:33:37.000 You're committing to funding and arming a lot of militants.

00:33:42.000 You don't know what you're committing to because it's another open ended conflict.

00:33:46.000 And if you had gone to people in 2002 and said, This is what your involvement in Afghanistan is going to entail when you send troops there.

00:33:54.000 If you had gone to Bush in 2003 and said, This is what your commitment to Iraq is going to entail, would you take it?

00:34:00.000 I think they would say no because they're. 0.95

00:34:03.000 It's very easy to tell people before you go in, this will be easy.

00:34:06.000 It'll be in and out in a few months.

00:34:08.000 And once you're in, as we've already seen, it's difficult to back out.

00:34:13.000 And the same people who told you it'll be easy will tell you the next step will be really easy.

00:34:16.000 Well, they weren't right the first time.

00:34:18.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, and you're absolutely spot on to look at the Russia deal.

00:34:23.000 Listen, both sides get a say in a war, all right?

00:34:27.000 There was a possibility that when we started striking Iran, the regime was going to be toppled instantly.

00:34:32.000 That has proven to be untrue. 0.73

00:34:34.000 They are more entrenched than we maybe hoped.

00:34:37.000 All right.

00:34:38.000 They were more able to cling to power than, for example, Israel told the president and his advisors.

00:34:47.000 All right.

00:34:47.000 Israel painted a very rosy picture about what it would take to topple this regime.

00:34:51.000 Well, that hasn't happened.

00:34:52.000 Okay.

00:34:52.000 So when you see that that has not happened and you go back and you say, Hey, let's redo our calculus here.

00:34:59.000 What's possible?

00:34:59.000 What's not?

00:35:00.000 What are we willing to do?

00:35:01.000 What are we not willing to do?

00:35:03.000 Then the math changes.

00:35:04.000 The math right now is that they are going to cling to power one way or the other for right now.

00:35:10.000 Now, we might get to the end of this.

00:35:11.000 We might sign this deal, and you get a little modicum of peace for a few weeks, a few months, and the people rise up and they take back their government.

00:35:18.000 That could happen.

00:35:20.000 Is it America's obligation?

00:35:22.000 Beyond the nuclear weapon, which President Trump has made it his prerogative to make sure that they do not have a nuclear weapon, they do not have nuclear material, they are not enriching.

00:35:32.000 If you can take that off the table and that straight can be open, this is a good deal.

00:35:36.000 We should take it.

00:35:37.000 We should declare victory.

00:35:38.000 We should say our strategic objectives have been achieved and we are going home to focus domestically because our nation needs that type of investment.

00:35:48.000 Our people need that type of creativity and focus.

00:35:51.000 Here domestically, if we have any hope in the midterms of fighting off a historical trend where the incumbent power loses during the midterms, we need to be focused here.

00:36:01.000 We need $3 gas, we need $250 gas.

00:36:03.000 All right, affordability must be addressed, home ownership must be addressed, getting the next generation to believe in America must be addressed.

00:36:10.000 These are the issues family formation, making it affordable for families, unleashing the prosperity of this country for the next generation.

00:36:18.000 That's how you win long term, that's how you deliver long term gains politically.

00:36:23.000 You can't be distracted.

00:36:25.000 And quagmires in the Middle East. 1.00

00:36:27.000 So cut your losses, accept your victories, declare victory, and get what you can and get out. 0.93

00:36:33.000 And let the Iranian people deal with the regime. 0.99

00:36:36.000 That should be the focus. 0.93

00:36:38.000 Agree?

00:36:39.000 I think so.

00:36:40.000 I think we're living out a lot of the warnings of people who said that we need to get out of the Middle East because it's a very thankless area. 0.96

00:36:50.000 It's a place where there's a lot of people invested in just endless conflict there. 0.92

00:36:56.000 There's a lot of people who.

00:36:58.000 Will always see this big victory just over that next hill, just over the next bombing run.

00:37:04.000 And a lot of them are very persuasive people, but you just have to say, no, this has not been working out for the U.S.

00:37:11.000 And America's gotten weaker every time we've done this. 0.60

00:37:15.000 20 years ago, we could go to war with Iraq and it just felt, we're so strong.

00:37:18.000 We can dominate everyone.

00:37:20.000 We have unlimited resources.

00:37:21.000 We did that with Afghanistan as well.

00:37:24.000 And every time we've done this, we've gotten a little weaker.

00:37:26.000 And now we just have to confront the fact, America is not.

00:37:29.000 This all conquering super colossus.

00:37:31.000 It's tough to do that with, you know, powers throughout the ages have found invading a huge country is extraordinarily challenging.

00:37:39.000 So you got to do what's reasonable and in our best interests.

00:37:42.000 And that means get out, get home.

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00:40:03.000 And what better way as we come off Memorial Day weekend honoring our fallen heroes that have made this country great and possible?

00:40:11.000 And as we move into the 250th celebration in through the summer on July 4th, then do it.

00:40:18.000 Celebrate July 4th with Steve Dace, who's a great American.

00:40:21.000 He's got a new book out, Why Independence Day.

00:40:24.000 America is Great because God is Good.

00:40:26.000 Steve, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:40:28.000 Good to see you guys.

00:40:29.000 How are you?

00:40:30.000 Congratulations on the book.

00:40:32.000 This is the third in a trilogy of kids' books, which, you know, it's like, listen, we have these really prestigious academics on that have these really serious books.

00:40:43.000 This to me is even more important because we got to teach the next generation about why they should love America, why they should have faith in America.

00:40:52.000 It's more important than ever.

00:40:54.000 Steve, why did you write this book and what's it about?

00:40:58.000 So, my publisher came to me a few years ago and said, Hey, you know, after Russia's passing, you know, he had these Rush Revere books that were very successful.

00:41:07.000 Would you be willing to step into that space? 0.97

00:41:10.000 And I'm like, Listen, man, I can't shake the dust off of Russia's sandals. 0.99

00:41:14.000 But then I got to thinking about it over the next day or two and I thought, Well, what if we did something even more unique? 0.85

00:41:19.000 What if we looked at America's Christian heritage for children?

00:41:22.000 And I proposed that as a trilogy.

00:41:24.000 The publisher loved it.

00:41:25.000 We launched the first one, Why Thanksgiving in 2022.

00:41:28.000 It was a national bestseller.

00:41:30.000 We had Why Easter in 2024.

00:41:32.000 And then the finale was always going to be for America's 250th, Why Independence Day.

00:41:38.000 And then it was just a matter of what the subtitle was going to be.

00:41:41.000 And so we decided to go with America is Great because God is Good.

00:41:44.000 And you just see his providence, his hand of providence, all throughout our history.

00:41:48.000 You see our founders refer to it.

00:41:50.000 It's mentioned several times, moments and events that just could not have happened without the hand of God intervening in human history.

00:41:57.000 And we wanted to tell this story for our kids.

00:41:59.000 I mean, really.

00:42:00.000 The American story, the 250th birthday of America, guys, it's an event 3,000 years in the making.

00:42:06.000 Charlie used to point out Deuteronomy was quoted more than any other book by our founding fathers.

00:42:11.000 And so we go into all of that from Moses at Mount Sinai through Christ through the Reformation and all of this history that eventually led to this place, this special place now we're fighting to preserve called America.

00:42:23.000 Yeah, you know, and I'm looking at the book because you sent a little advanced copy to me, the PDF.

00:42:28.000 So I'm looking at it right now, Steve, and the illustrations are great.

00:42:32.000 I have little kids.

00:42:34.000 So, I can't wait to read them this.

00:42:36.000 And it really helps you make the through line very directly and very obviously for the mind of a child, explaining God's providential hand and how, like you said, this started 3,000 years ago.

00:42:48.000 This started with God setting apart a people and a nation, how the pilgrims came to spread the gospel, really have a refuge here to freely express their Christian faith, and how that built the building blocks, the foundation of.

00:43:06.000 The providential hand of God being so visible in our country.

00:43:10.000 And I think it's beautiful.

00:43:12.000 I can't wait to read it to my own kids.

00:43:13.000 And I hope people at home understand the power of that, why that's so important.

00:43:18.000 Because maybe, Steve, this can be a question for you explaining all that we're up against.

00:43:24.000 You've got foreign influence campaigns, you've got a whole half of the country that seems to hate this place, it seems to hate what it's about, what it was founded upon, and it hates the men who founded it and the ideas that founded it.

00:43:39.000 Why is this more important than ever?

00:43:39.000 Why now?

00:43:41.000 Because of everything you just said.

00:43:43.000 And we are at a generational knife's edge right now.

00:43:48.000 And we are either going to pass these things on to the next generation or they're going to be lost in this next generation.

00:43:55.000 And if you just look at our history, there are events that are just mathematically incalculable. 0.66

00:44:00.000 The odds that the Puritans would go here across the channel and land in a place where it just so happened that they run into a guy named Squanto.

00:44:11.000 Who's an Indian who was taught the Bible by English speaking settlers over in the old land, the old country.

00:44:22.000 And he just happens to be there within close proximity to Massachusetts Bay Colony, pardon me, to help them understand this new world they were in and the tribes and all the customs they were landing into.

00:44:36.000 The odds of that are incalculable, guys.

00:44:39.000 You see this all throughout our history.

00:44:43.000 And it's why one of the terms our founders used the most was this term, providence, which literally just means supernatural acts of God that are otherwise inexplicable.

00:44:52.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 And I'm just pulling some images here for the team so they can put them up here.

00:44:57.000 I just love the way this thing is animated.

00:44:59.000 And I mean, you know, and you give little Bible lessons here, which I love.

00:45:05.000 You're talking about the founding of the country, something we actually talked about yesterday on our Memorial Day special a lot with the boys of 76 and 77.

00:45:16.000 O'Donnell, a historian, great conversation we had with him.

00:45:19.000 So please check that out.

00:45:21.000 But you're saying since we have God's spirit in us now to teach us right from wrong, we don't need government rules as much as we used to.

00:45:28.000 Sure, we still need things like the police to protect us because there are still bad people doing bad things.

00:45:33.000 But we don't need a king to act like he's a God when we already know the one true God.

00:45:39.000 I'm flipping through the pages here.

00:45:41.000 And these are the type of lessons like you're explaining that we, the people, are sovereign.

00:45:47.000 You're explaining why, how God set up.

00:45:49.000 Those structures of government, how they're sort of, well, they're not sort of, they are God breathed.

00:45:54.000 They are illuminated in the pages of scripture.

00:45:56.000 And America is special because our form of government reflects God's design for his people.

00:46:02.000 It's beautiful, Steve.

00:46:03.000 Correct.

00:46:04.000 Amen.

00:46:05.000 Thank you very much.

00:46:06.000 Appreciate that.

00:46:07.000 And, you know, when I was watching, have you guys seen the new movie, A Great Awakening, about George Whitefield?

00:46:12.000 Have you guys seen that yet?

00:46:13.000 It's very well done.

00:46:14.000 And one of the things that Ben Franklin says to the British ambassador, and it's funny, I thought that's a line right out of the children's book that I have coming out when I saw this about a month and a half ago.

00:46:24.000 Is he says to the British ambassador in a scene, Well, they think now that they have God in their lives and we've had awakenings spiritually that they don't need a dreaded sovereign anymore.

00:46:35.000 They don't need a king.

00:46:36.000 They think that Jesus is king, Christ is king, and they're fine just living individually with him in charge.

00:46:44.000 And I sat up in my seat, guys, when I saw that in the theater, because again, that's right out of the page of my book that you just shared there, Andrew.

00:46:52.000 And I think this is key to the understanding of how we came about as a people.

00:46:56.000 This line's been attributed to many folks.

00:46:58.000 I think it originated with William Penn, that if men were angels, they wouldn't need government.

00:47:03.000 So we do need government.

00:47:04.000 We're not angels, right?

00:47:05.000 We are sinners.

00:47:07.000 But we need government that is limited.

00:47:08.000 Why do we need a government that is limited?

00:47:10.000 Because the people working in the government are sinners too.

00:47:14.000 That's why.

00:47:15.000 God is not a respecter of persons.

00:47:17.000 The people working in both the governed and the government are full of sinners.

00:47:22.000 So we need just enough to restrain the sinful acts of the people and to provide justice when they do sin.

00:47:30.000 This is what Paul means in Romans 13 to be an avenging angel against the evildoer.

00:47:34.000 That's the purpose of government.

00:47:35.000 But not so much now that you use your sinfulness to go back to the original sin and say, I am God.

00:47:40.000 And government then becomes a god.

00:47:42.000 It's the old Chesterton line when government removes the god, the government becomes the god.

00:47:46.000 Yeah, we see that completely on the progressive left.

00:47:50.000 And we see it sometimes little elements of it on the right, Steve, which is why getting back to foundational principles is so important right now.

00:48:00.000 I mean, there's a point to being pragmatic in politics.

00:48:02.000 I totally agree.

00:48:03.000 We can be over ideological, but if you don't have these basics and these understandings and you don't instill them in your children at a very young age, This country is going to be in a world of hurt.

00:48:15.000 We will not pass this great blessing that is America on to the next generation.

00:48:20.000 You know, let's talk about.

00:48:22.000 So, your book, I mean, really undergirding that, your entire premise for writing it is we lost a great man in Rush Limbaugh too soon, died of cancer, and it was heartbreaking.

00:48:33.000 I know it broke Charlie's heart.

00:48:34.000 And then we lost Charlie, another great man, and we lost him too soon.

00:48:38.000 Such a powerful voice for young people.

00:48:43.000 There is this sense, you know, a lot of people give into dooming and black pilling because we lost these two great men and we needed them.

00:48:52.000 It feels like we needed them.

00:48:54.000 But you're one of those guys that is stepping into that and doing the piece that you can.

00:48:59.000 And that's all we're trying to do here by keeping the Charlie Kirk show alive is doing our piece and doing what we can through Turning Point.

00:49:10.000 And maybe reflect on that, just that dynamic.

00:49:12.000 Because there is a lot of people that see what's happened, you know, see what happened in the movement, the fracturing, the fraying at the edges, this foreign influence, whatever it is.

00:49:22.000 Why are you stepping into the void, Steve?

00:49:25.000 I think that, number one, if your worldview begins with the assertion that God supernaturally intervened his hand into human history to raise his dead son to life and that the last enemy death has been conquered, then I don't think you're permitted a despair driven worldview.

00:49:45.000 Despair is a dialect of hell.

00:49:48.000 I don't think you're permitted nihilism.

00:49:51.000 Listen, we love Gallo's humor on our show.

00:49:54.000 We kid about being Vanta Black, but it's clearly to our audience a joke, okay? 0.62

00:49:58.000 I mean, ultimately, that if you believe resurrection comes after Good Friday, then there's always hope.

00:50:06.000 You think the world's dark now.

00:50:08.000 How about, hey, we killed God, guys?

00:50:10.000 It's a pretty dark world. 0.98

00:50:11.000 It's as dark as it gets.

00:50:12.000 It's been a lot darker than this.

00:50:14.000 I mean, the story of the people that founded the country, the Puritans, who were they fleeing?

00:50:18.000 They were not fleeting Islamic infiltration like we're seeing in the West.

00:50:22.000 They weren't fleeing pagan communists, didn't even exist yet.

00:50:26.000 Heck, during the post Reformation era, where Catholic monarchs would persecute Protestants and Protestant monarchs would persecute Catholics, they weren't even fleeing a Catholic monarch.

00:50:35.000 They were fleeing a Protestant king who wanted to tell them what exactly they could and could not preach and what they could and could not say.

00:50:42.000 John Bunyan wrote Pilgrim's Progress.

00:50:44.000 He was in prison for over a decade by a Protestant king because he didn't want to have his sermons checklisted and approved by the crown.

00:50:52.000 It can get a lot darker than things currently are. 0.63

00:50:55.000 And so to me, there's always hope.

00:50:58.000 And I'm not, you know, it's funny.

00:51:00.000 I think I'm getting more offers and opportunities to do things because of the giant void that Charlie's murder left and others that I'm speaking to, too.

00:51:11.000 And we're all saying the same things to each other.

00:51:13.000 Like, there's like 15 of us that are getting asked to fill some of this space here.

00:51:18.000 How did this one guy do all of this?

00:51:21.000 We all still have our old jobs.

00:51:22.000 We've got to do all the other stuff we were doing.

00:51:24.000 How did this guy go to do all this stuff that the 15 of us are now trying to all figure out amongst ourselves?

00:51:29.000 But one of those things I just got invited to do.

00:51:32.000 One of those things was to do a heritage tour with Speaker Mike Johnson last week in D.C.

00:51:39.000 And I have to tell you, it's rare to say anything out of D.C. is inspiring, but going there and seeing a lot of this history, to be in that prayer room that is halfway between the offices of the majority leader and the speaker, to see these marble statues, to see these paintings, and I shared a lot of them with our audience today, it refilled my tank.

00:52:00.000 It reminded me of what it is that we're really fighting for here.

00:52:03.000 That this really is the last best hope this nation is, as far as we know anyway, the last best hope for this planet before Christ returns.

00:52:11.000 And so I'm as fired up as I've been in a long time just by getting that personal reminder of the stakes here and why it is so volatile.

00:52:22.000 It's because of what this country stands for and what happens to the rest of this planet if this country goes away.

00:52:29.000 Yeah, that's beautifully said.

00:52:30.000 And, you know, and JD Vance said the same thing in the aftermath of.

00:52:34.000 When we lost Charlie, it's like we all just have to do the little piece that we can because Charlie was a giant and he did so much and he was tireless.

00:52:43.000 He just had this engine where he just wouldn't stop going.

00:52:46.000 He was always trying to squeeze out 30 more minutes of his day, uh, squeeze out five percent more productivity again and again and again over years.

00:52:55.000 And that's how you get a Charlie Kirk.

00:52:57.000 It was so incredible to remark upon just because he even could fit in, he did even fit in the leisure.

00:53:03.000 So he had his Sabbath that he would do on Saturdays.

00:53:06.000 He still managed to watch the Cubs, watch the Ducks, and yet he's still off, maximizing his work time so effectively, always organizing something, always planning the next thing.

00:53:19.000 He's just such a model of high effectiveness across one's life.

00:53:24.000 And I think I'm glad we'll always have that.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 Well, and I think you're doing a great job too, Steve, of just being courageous as well.

00:53:32.000 And I think this time really calls for a lot of courage to call it out.

00:53:35.000 There's a lot of voices, and we'll just keep it vague for now.

00:53:38.000 Because it's Tuesday after Memorial Day, and I want to feel the unifying spirit of it.

00:53:42.000 But, you know, there's a lot of question of whether or not they're actually being effective.

00:53:48.000 And I think they're being somewhat effective of discouraging us, of getting us divided.

00:53:54.000 But I don't think they're nearly as effective as people are concerned that they are.

00:53:58.000 And I know that you agree with this on some level.

00:54:02.000 Maybe spend the last minute of our talk remarking on that.

00:54:06.000 One of the things I think we're going to find in this era is that you can build an audience that is a mile wide but an inch deep.

00:54:13.000 And that audience and influence are not necessarily the same thing.

00:54:16.000 Meaning that where are the people you are reaching?

00:54:19.000 Where can you create a critical mass?

00:54:22.000 And ultimately, metrics can be faked, numbers can be faked.

00:54:26.000 Ultimately, you are the merchandise you can move and the people you can mobilize because those are constants.

00:54:33.000 Everything else is a variable and those are constants.

00:54:36.000 And to me, I think that a great tell if you're listening to the right content is does it.

00:54:44.000 Bring you closer to God's word and make you want to be more Christ like?

00:54:48.000 And if the answer to that question is yes, then hug that content even closer.

00:54:54.000 And if the answer to that question is no, then run away from it as fast as you can.

00:54:58.000 That's a great way to end it.

00:55:00.000 Steve Dace, congratulations on your book.

00:55:03.000 Thank you for your contribution and your courage.

00:55:05.000 Let's stay the course.

00:55:06.000 Pray for peace.

00:55:07.000 Pray for Paxton in Texas.

00:55:09.000 We got things to do.

00:55:11.000 Steve Dace, be well, my friend.

00:55:12.000 I'll talk to you soon.

00:55:13.000 God bless.

00:55:16.000 Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and what they were building.

00:55:20.000 And as you know, I've been a longtime fan of it for the same reason.

00:55:23.000 So I wanted to share some of my favorite films and shows on Angel, and I put them all into one easy to use watch list.

00:55:29.000 This is content that's actually worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points, but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.

00:55:37.000 That's what stands out about Angel to me.

00:55:39.000 They're willing to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture, and the bigger conversations you and I should be having.

00:55:48.000 So on my watch list, you'll find pics that lean into those topics, but there are also solid options for family or just something meaningful to watch at the end of a stressful day.

00:55:57.000 If you want to check it out, go to angel.comslash Charlie and take a look at the watch list I put together.

00:56:05.000 Our next guest, we're having on Noah Rothman.

00:56:08.000 He's a senior writer at National Review and he's the author of Blood and Progress A History of Left Wing Violence in America.

00:56:17.000 It's brand new and obviously on a topic you and I both care a great deal about.

00:56:22.000 Noah, are you there?

00:56:24.000 I'm here.

00:56:25.000 Welcome very much, Randall.

00:56:26.000 Welcome to the show.

00:56:27.000 So I should just say the first seven pages of this are a retelling of an experience we all are going to remember the rest of our lives.

00:56:35.000 What happened?

00:56:36.000 With Charlie, and in particular, something about it that should never be memory hold, and people are doing their best to do it, which is the wave of, I'll just say, insane lies afterwards, trying to spin what happened as an act of far right wing violence against Charlie.

00:56:55.000 From Lawrence Tribe, a former professor at Harvard, tried to argue that it was right wing violence.

00:57:01.000 Heather Cox Richardson, one of the most popular sub stackers, she just said, Oh, this is a, this is Groyper type violence that did this.

00:57:08.000 When we saw very quickly that all of the evidence rests with this being left wing trans motivated violence.

00:57:15.000 But as your book gets into Noah, this is part of a very long term pattern on the left that there's sort of been a, for lack of a better word, a conspiracy to suppress that this is going on.

00:57:27.000 Can you elaborate on that thesis?

00:57:29.000 Yeah, I think a conspiracy is a great word for it.

00:57:31.000 And it's not as though there's a coordinated effort here, it's an unspoken set of interests that end up making mainstream media professionals.

00:57:40.000 And otherwise responsible communicators just subordinate everything they know about copycat violence, about responsible reporting, to an ideological motivated desire to convince the rest of the American people that the right, the American right, is uniquely violent and always responsible for big episodes of political violence in this country.

00:58:00.000 We hear about it all the time.

00:58:01.000 We heard about it after Charlie Kirk.

00:58:02.000 We heard about it after the assassination of Brian Thompson, United Healthcare's CEO.

00:58:06.000 We hear about it whenever there's an attack on a knife facility three times last year, including one that involves sophisticated ambush tactics.

00:58:13.000 We hear about it after the president is almost assassinated.

00:58:15.000 Not once, not twice, but thrice.

00:58:17.000 Eventually, you have to wonder if this line has any substance, any merit to it.

00:58:22.000 And that's what I investigate in this book.

00:58:24.000 Not only that, but Blood and Progress, a century of left wing violence in America, exposes the degree to which very recent scholarship has only begun to explore the waves of left wing political violence in this country in the 1920s, 1910s, 1970s, 1980s, and today.

00:58:41.000 And you begin to see a lot of similarities across these.

00:58:45.000 Violent movements where individuals who engage in perhaps deluded thinking, but deluded thinking that is encouraged by influential people in the orbit of very responsible institutional figures in this country that encourage this sort of thing and refuse to look it squarely in the face, telling themselves that, oh, we don't have a violence problem.

00:59:03.000 It's largely a myth.

00:59:04.000 The right is the real problem in this country. 0.97

00:59:06.000 And we have a clip that I just have to play. 0.69

00:59:09.000 This is from CNN saying exactly that.

00:59:13.000 Sot 25.

00:59:14.000 While America's roots are soaked in bloodshed, Violence in the country today is mostly from right wing extremism.

00:59:22.000 From Oklahoma City to Charlottesville to January 6th.

00:59:28.000 There is simply no equivalent on the left.

00:59:32.000 No, I agree or disagree.

00:59:34.000 How would you reply to that?

00:59:36.000 Well, it's a refrain, and it's a refrain that serves not really to explore the issue, but to excuse ignoring it.

00:59:44.000 Increasingly, I feel like that's the only logic associated with issuing that.

00:59:50.000 That reflexive reaction whenever there's an episode of left wing violence in this country, obviously, conclusively demonstrated by investigators and law enforcement.

00:59:59.000 And it's supported by some dubious statistical games that I think are being played with some of these databases that are used to justify this claim.

01:00:07.000 The ADL, the Anti Defamation League, has one, the University of Cincinnati has another.

01:00:12.000 And they're cited repeatedly.

01:00:13.000 And if you explore them, the statistical breakdowns of right wing violence include prison violence, gang violence, intra family violence, sometimes somebody who spray paints the side of a church, right wing violence.

01:00:24.000 A homeless man who starts hurling racial slurs in a hotelier and attacks them, right wing violence.

01:00:29.000 The data begins to look kind of corrupted the more you look into it.

01:00:32.000 And then there's this report, authored for the Department of Homeland Security in 2021, that alleges that left wing violence is not well studied because there are intimidation campaigns marshaled against people who study it, reputational damage, the threat of physical harm for doing that kind of work, and as well the fact that people who are participants in these often violent left wing movements are themselves the authors.

01:00:56.000 Of studies exploring the phenomenon.

01:00:59.000 So it is a fatally subjective enterprise if it's not hopelessly corrupted.

01:01:03.000 And by telling these stories, and I don't break it down into statistics, this book does not contend that right wing violence does not exist.

01:01:09.000 That would be a child's argument, which I encounter all the time.

01:01:13.000 But it does complicate the argument that is issued by the left and left wing institutions like the Southern Poverty Law Center, which maintains left wing violence is a quote unquote myth and confronts them with the fact that the evidence they're relying on to make that claim is deficient, if not corrupted.

01:01:29.000 I hope that this book, Blood and Progress, A Century of Left Wing Violence in America, gets its hands into the right audiences.

01:01:35.000 Because if anything, I just want them to confront the fact that they have been bandying about this notion, not in order to correct the record, but to avoid looking at the whole spectrum of political violence in this country.

01:01:48.000 And until we get our hands around the whole problem, we're never going to solve it.

01:01:52.000 So you mentioned that there's commonalities that there was left wing violence in the 10s and 20s, we saw another in the 60s and 70s.

01:02:00.000 You could say we've seen another surge of it, certainly since about 2019, 2020 or so.

01:02:05.000 BLM.

01:02:05.000 In the US with BLM.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, mostly peaceful stuff.

01:02:08.000 You mentioned there's commonalities between them.

01:02:11.000 What are the common threads of a surge of left wing violence?

01:02:15.000 So if you go back to the 1910s, 1920s, which is where I start, the anarchist socialistic wave of terror bombings, which the recent scholarship into it, only in this century, all of the people who explore this phenomenon note that it's forgotten in much the same way that the nationalist movements that tried to assassinate. Harry Truman and shot up Congress in the 1950s were forgotten, or the Marxist terror cells of the 70s were forgotten.

01:02:40.000 But across the spectrum, you see some similarities like what they used to call propaganda of the deed, which is today more likely to be referred to as direct action.

01:02:49.000 These are spectacular attacks that are designed in the minds of their perpetrators to galvanize a broader audience and ignite broader violence that will beget the revolution.

01:02:58.000 A lot of this is very revolutionary in nature and Marxian in nature.

01:03:03.000 Small cell leaderless organizations, again, when that ICE terror cell attacks, including one that involved about 10 members using.

01:03:11.000 Fireworks to lure out their targets and overlapping fields of fire.

01:03:14.000 Again, very sophisticated attack on law enforcement.

01:03:18.000 But you usually see attacks on law enforcement when these waves of left wing violence begin because they regard the state as much as an enemy and in league with the American right as they do the right wing adversaries who they typically organize against.

01:03:32.000 And lastly, the intellectual notion that systemic oppression licenses extra legal violence.

01:03:38.000 However, they define it, it is a sort of permission structure they give themselves.

01:03:42.000 No, that reminds me when you say it like that of.

01:03:45.000 You know, Hassan Piker, who went on with the New York Times and talking about social murder, right?

01:03:49.000 That, you know, Brian Thompson was guilty of all this social murder, so he had it coming.

01:03:54.000 And then you saw those nitwits outside of the Momdani press conference or whatever, where they, you know, I forget the two ladies' names, but they were, you know, media credentialed.

01:04:04.000 And literally two weeks later, they're talking about social murder, social murder.

01:04:08.000 All it is is this elaborate philosophy that they've baked up to justify murder, to justify violence, to justify extra.

01:04:16.000 You know, sort of means, proactive means.

01:04:19.000 You see this with the Antifa handbook, right?

01:04:21.000 Dr. Antifa at Rutgers University, where the whole thing is a handbook of how do you preemptively attack people you politically disagree with.

01:04:27.000 This is fundamental to their worldview.

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:30.000 And it's meeting out real violence, real bloodshed in response to a highly theoretical, metaphorical violence that, again, that they talk themselves into.

01:04:39.000 Those two ladies, three ladies, one of whom was less talkative than the others, were very illustrative of this phenomenon, right?

01:04:46.000 It was a ghoulish display. 1.00

01:04:48.000 They competed with one another to be more offensive, to be more inhuman.

01:04:53.000 And literally, I use that word because they were utterly devoid of human empathy and compassion.

01:04:57.000 And then, what is the point of this whole thing? 0.71

01:04:59.000 It was Lena Weisbrot, was her name, who said, Listen, we're the most subservient cow population in the history of this planet. 0.67

01:05:06.000 We would have had a revolution by now if you shared my apprehensions and my anxieties. 0.99

01:05:12.000 And I'm sure she's right.

01:05:13.000 The thing is, most people don't.

01:05:15.000 So, in the leftist mind, they have to invent these causes and then mete out real vicious violence.

01:05:21.000 In order to demonstrate to you that this, that the god can bleed, that we can destroy this wholly immoral system if we just all take a sledgehammer to its foundations, it's what they want.

01:05:32.000 And this book elaborates on why.

01:05:33.000 Well, let's play a clip of Charlie saying exactly that.

01:05:37.000 Um, sock 28.

01:05:38.000 This is all they have is violence at the core of the left, at the core of a liberal, is someone that would use the sword if they had it.

01:05:48.000 They are very violent people at their core, they always have been.

01:05:53.000 They can't debate.

01:05:54.000 They can't have a conversation.

01:05:56.000 So they'll resort to these tactics.

01:05:59.000 Charlie always understood the left fundamentally.

01:06:01.000 And you make an argument in your book that they're willing to endure a certain amount of this violence.

01:06:08.000 I want to show you this new poll that pollster Rich Barris sent me over the weekend.

01:06:13.000 He's doing some polling about the left.

01:06:18.000 And he was freaked out.

01:06:20.000 He was like, man, they're getting more radical.

01:06:22.000 So you can see this 59.4% of those polled.

01:06:27.000 Basically, say they're democratic socialists.

01:06:30.000 21% say unsure, 12% say traditional liberal, and 6.2% just say we're socialists.

01:06:36.000 So, the question then becomes as the Democrat Party becomes more radical, Noah, should we just sort of anticipate that they are comfortable with more and more violence?

01:06:46.000 Because I don't want to over prescribe and say they're all comfortable with assassination.

01:06:50.000 I know that's not true, but there's certainly some that are.

01:06:54.000 And there's even more that are comfortable with overt acts of disruption, chaos, political violence, vandalism.

01:07:02.000 That seems to be pretty darn mainstream on the left now.

01:07:05.000 How much are they.

01:07:07.000 Like right now, if you took a snapshot of the Democrat Party or the progressive movement in the United States, how much violence are they comfortable with?

01:07:15.000 Well, I go into the polling in the book, and it depends obviously on the survey and the sample and the time that the survey is taken.

01:07:23.000 But there are trends that indicate that increasing numbers of Democrat affiliating voters in this country tell pollsters, not just to themselves, are willing to tell pollsters that they do support some level of violence in order to suppress speech they don't like, for example, or to beget.

01:07:40.000 Positive social change as they see it.

01:07:42.000 I think the vast majority of responsible Democrats do not support violence in the streets.

01:07:47.000 That said, there is an element within the Democratic Party that is attracted to people power.

01:07:53.000 When they see people on the street, mobs, vast numbers of protesters, they see in that a reflection of what they regard as romantic zeal, enthusiasm for their political project.

01:08:04.000 And then they subordinate all they know, all their caution just goes out the window in order to embrace those groups and channel and harness that energy into what they've.

01:08:12.000 Believed will be positive social change.

01:08:15.000 So they did that with Occupy Wall Street.

01:08:17.000 Even if you ask any member of Occupy Wall Street if they had any use for Democrats, they would tell you, throw them all into the East River.

01:08:22.000 We don't need them.

01:08:24.000 Didn't matter.

01:08:25.000 Even if they were engaged in lawless acts of violence, attacking federal facilities, attacking law enforcement, shielding perpetrators of violence and rape from law enforcement, all that was just pushed aside in order to try to harness this energy.

01:08:39.000 They did the exact same thing 10 years later with the George Floyd protests.

01:08:44.000 Seeing in that some measure of political enthusiasm that could get them over the hump, get them past the election with Trump, and to a certain extent succeeded, but also traded in a lot of responsible governance to ingratiate themselves with a movement that anybody should have known at the time was potentially violent and certainly not sympathetic to the broadest number of Americans.

01:09:06.000 But they just have this attachment to the enthusiasm in the streets that can be harnessed and controlled by the worst demagogues in this country.

01:09:15.000 They just subordinate everything they know.

01:09:16.000 That sounds like they're just willing to sell their soul to the devil if they think they can win an election.

01:09:21.000 And it's so infuriating, Noah, that I just think of the double thing that must go on where a lot of these people can hear a report on CNN or whatever they call MSNBC now or whatever that'll say, we've checked the numbers and political violence is overwhelmingly a right wing phenomenon.

01:09:39.000 And yet at the same time, you know, I know, I think everybody knows, even members of the left will sometimes.

01:09:44.000 Essentially, I gloat about this that it's never an event on a campus is never going to be canceled because of right wing violence, but it will because left wing violence they barricade the building, they set things on fire, they terrorize people, and as we know, they are capable of committing murder.

01:10:00.000 Similarly, with after the George Floyd stuff, no one's ever worried an entire neighborhood is going to get torched by right wing violence, but it's happened with left wing violence.

01:10:10.000 We've never had an urban takeover, we had a left wing radicals take over downtown Seattle for What, a month?

01:10:18.000 Summer of Love?

01:10:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:20.000 The Chaz, Chop, whatever you want to call it. 0.52

01:10:22.000 It's one thing after another.

01:10:24.000 And I guess, how does this double think work?

01:10:27.000 Are they just compartmentalizing this as not real violence?

01:10:30.000 And I should also mention the courthouse siege in Portland.

01:10:33.000 You can have left wing agitators basically besiege a federal building for weeks on end and their politicians defend it.

01:10:40.000 There's no equivalent of this on the right in America.

01:10:43.000 It happens all the time.

01:10:43.000 We've gotten almost used to it.

01:10:45.000 The violence in Portland and places in Los Angeles, for example, descends almost nightly on these cities.

01:10:51.000 It's kind of regarded as like a quirky feature of the urban scene.

01:10:55.000 And it is just the decay of modern social life, it's the breakdown of elementary governance.

01:11:00.000 And yes, you're right.

01:11:03.000 There is no equivalent when it comes to the threat environment.

01:11:06.000 The threat environment is so pronounced that proactive action, like shutting down events, has become common currency.

01:11:13.000 And it's not something that has an equivalency on the right.

01:11:16.000 But there is, you know, there's a taboo here that I can work with.

01:11:19.000 When the left says, well, the right is uniquely violence, implicit in violent, implicit in that is the notion that political violence is bad, right?

01:11:27.000 Because they wouldn't be accusing you of it if it was good.

01:11:30.000 So there's an element there that reasonably understands that the American people writ large.

01:11:36.000 Are not attracted to political violence, abhor political violence, regarded as a threat to the social fabric.

01:11:42.000 That's good.

01:11:43.000 That social stigma is valuable. 0.99

01:11:44.000 I want to encourage that, but I want to encourage it by also taking a look at what right-wing violence looks like these days, the degree to which it mirrors some of the black block tactics that we see, again, nightly displayed in cities in which demonstrators, professional agitators, and organizers who dress in uniform somehow have respirators and gas masks delivered to them by shady actors, just Pop up out of nowhere and get unloaded out of a U-Haul. 0.94

01:12:11.000 This happens with disturbing frequency. 0.65

01:12:14.000 And by putting all these events together in this book, Blood and Progress, I hope that we can create a portrait that compels the American left to look at this phenomenon because it has been delineated in such a fashion.

01:12:26.000 They get away with it by analyzing each event of left-wing political violence in isolation, never drawing the threads that any logical inference would allow them to draw, and then telling themselves that the right wing.

01:12:41.000 Has a monopoly on political violence in this country.

01:12:43.000 By establishing the timeline as I have, I hope, and with 80 pages of notes, I dare you, defy you to go check my work.

01:12:50.000 I hope someone does.

01:12:52.000 I'm creating a roadmap here for individuals who want to confront the left with their tacit and complicit acceptance of a rising tide of political violence on their side, with everything they have allowed to flourish.

01:13:06.000 When it's put all together like that, it's a pretty damning portrait, I think.

01:13:09.000 I think it is.

01:13:10.000 And by the way, I love.

01:13:11.000 The title of your book because it's sort of a play on the left's and the SPLC's, their favorite sort of boogeyman, Blood and Soil.

01:13:18.000 And you're like, how about Blood and Progress?

01:13:21.000 Because now you guys have to own it.

01:13:23.000 And I think it was really important timing with this book, Noah.

01:13:28.000 So thank you for writing it.

01:13:30.000 And thank you for putting together the thesis statement that they're going to have to contend with now that the left is a movement very prone, especially in our moment and throughout history, to political violence.

01:13:42.000 Thank you, Noah.

01:13:43.000 God bless you, man.

01:13:43.000 Thank you, guys.

01:13:44.000 It's an honor to be here.

01:13:44.000 I appreciate it.

01:13:49.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 26, 2026

Iran: Peace At Last?

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