The Charlie Kirk Show - Iran: The Air War vs. the Airwaves War

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 It is March 5th already.

00:01:14.000 March 5th.

00:01:15.000 There is a lot to get to today.

00:01:17.000 Very busy show.

00:01:17.000 We're going to be welcomed by or joined by Mike Howell, President of Oversight Project at the Heritage Foundation.

00:01:23.000 But first, I want to get into a concept of two things can be true at once.

00:01:28.000 We want this audience to be as educated as possible.

00:01:31.000 We want you to have sophisticated thoughts, nuanced thoughts.

00:01:34.000 Life is not black and white.

00:01:37.000 And the two things at once idea I want everyone to keep in their mind is this image, 587.

00:01:44.000 This is reporting from The Economist.

00:01:46.000 Hat tip to Kane from Citizen Free Press for flagging this for me.

00:01:50.000 The Iran war has been a stunning aerial success. 0.99

00:01:56.000 This is The Economist.

00:01:57.000 This is, you know, this is not state media.

00:01:59.000 This is The Economist.

00:02:01.000 And this is without doubt true, but the subhead is also true.

00:02:06.000 Even if, at the political level, its direction is a mess.

00:02:11.000 Now, listen, I was an early critic, as was Blake, that this war had not been sold to the American public sufficiently.

00:02:20.000 I believe that to be the case.

00:02:22.000 I will also give them credit in the days that have ensued since the initial strikes, they've done a better job of explaining the why and the why now.

00:02:32.000 But so, two things can be true at once.

00:02:36.000 Our military is second to none.

00:02:38.000 When President Trump lauds the military, when Secretary of War Pete Hegseth explains just how lethal and precise and incredible they are, all those things are true.

00:02:49.000 Our military men and women are the best in the world.

00:02:53.000 And our aerial assault has proven to be the best in the world.

00:02:56.000 And look at what we did in Venezuela.

00:02:58.000 Absolutely true.

00:03:00.000 But some of you have been upset with us in our take because we haven't been sufficiently, I guess, enthusiastic.

00:03:08.000 But I want to bring your attention.

00:03:10.000 And Blake, actually, before I get there, why don't you say what you were going to say?

00:03:13.000 Well, I'm just, I think what we are seeing is there's kind of two wars.

00:03:17.000 There's the literal air war over Iran and there's the airwaves war.

00:03:21.000 There's the war over public opinion.

00:03:23.000 Every war goes that way.

00:03:24.000 And it's a little different from conflicts you've had in the past where if you want to use an obvious example, World War II.

00:03:32.000 World War II starts with 100% popular support for the war because the Japanese bombed us at Pearl Harbor.

00:03:38.000 Everyone is on board and it would only go down from there if there were a lot of setbacks.

00:03:43.000 Saw this after 9-11.

00:03:44.000 You saw this after 9-11.

00:03:45.000 Afghanistan, 95% support for that war, goes down from there.

00:03:49.000 Iraq, probably 65, 70% support for that war when it began, goes down from there.

00:03:55.000 This is different where we seem to be starting with at best 50-50, maybe less support.

00:04:02.000 And the plan is that they can sell it through how successful it is.

00:04:06.000 And by the way, I do want to say this could end up proving, and I said this yesterday, to be the absolutely right geopolitical national security.

00:04:15.000 100%.

00:04:15.000 They have information we don't.

00:04:17.000 Yes. 0.96

00:04:17.000 And you would be a fool not to see the potential upside of controlling the Strait of Hormuz, of getting rid of a malignant actor and a terrorist, the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. 0.96

00:04:29.000 There's a thousand upsides to this. 0.97

00:04:31.000 If Trump can say you're never going to be hearing about Iran like you've been hearing from them for the past 45 years ever again, that's a good thing. 1.00

00:04:38.000 But we have an obligation to make this point because some people are saying, people are saying, oh, actually, the base is super united behind this.

00:04:47.000 Like they're fine on that.

00:04:48.000 And we had students on the show yesterday and we just, we wanted to ask them, we said, be honest with us.

00:04:54.000 What is the attitude like on campus about what has just happened?

00:04:59.000 And they answered us.

00:05:01.000 And we told them not to be completely honest with us.

00:05:04.000 And they were.

00:05:05.000 And there's two clips here that I want to make sure we highlight.

00:05:08.000 Blake, you can call the first one if you want.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, and this was, I believe this was asking a chapter leader at Appalachian State.

00:05:13.000 So this is not an Ivy League school.

00:05:15.000 This is not Berkeley.

00:05:16.000 This is a school in rural North Carolina.

00:05:19.000 Yep.

00:05:20.000 A lot of Trump voters.

00:05:21.000 592.

00:05:22.000 So I want to start off by asking you guys to give us the vibe on campus of this strikes against Iran.

00:05:29.000 What's the vibe?

00:05:30.000 What are people saying?

00:05:31.000 Let's go ahead and start with.

00:05:32.000 Be honest with us.

00:05:33.000 Yeah, be honest.

00:05:34.000 Tell us.

00:05:34.000 We want to know.

00:05:35.000 We want the unvarnished truth.

00:05:37.000 Brooke, you first.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, I think at my campus especially, people are very upset with the United States and their involvement.

00:05:48.000 I think that a lot of direction is pointed at Israel and questioning our allies and the motives in that way.

00:05:58.000 And Megan?

00:06:01.000 Yeah, I definitely agree.

00:06:03.000 That's the same vibe that we're having on campus.

00:06:07.000 And I think more people don't want to see another war.

00:06:12.000 All right.

00:06:13.000 So that was, we thought maybe that was just a broad segment.

00:06:17.000 But then we asked a follow-up question: 593.

00:06:20.000 Copy.

00:06:20.000 So are you seeing protests?

00:06:22.000 Are you seeing people gathering in the square, in the quad?

00:06:27.000 What kind of activities are you seeing this manifest in?

00:06:31.000 I'm mostly seeing things through online platforms, people on Instagram or Twitter, just, you know, really going in at President Trump and being upset that gas prices might go up and forever war.

00:06:48.000 Like people really, really do not want boots on the ground in this circumstance.

00:06:52.000 Are you seeing that even from people that you know voted for Trump in 2024?

00:06:57.000 Or is it more, is it still mostly from people you know would be left-wing regardless?

00:07:03.000 I think the idea of starting a new foreign war is really, even for Trump voters, really deterring people from wanting to align with the administration and their actions.

00:07:15.000 That should be a flashing red light to everybody that supports President Trump, which we completely support President Trump.

00:07:22.000 I mean, candidly, where I'm at, Democrats are completely unacceptable in any way, shape, or form.

00:07:28.000 The entire reason this matters is you do not want to alienate the voters who did vote this last year or two years ago to get the illegals out, to secure the border, to put America first.

00:07:41.000 And all of those things matter more than ever.

00:07:43.000 The left has gone more insane than ever on issue after issue.

00:07:47.000 And mark my words, they are going to try and impeach this president if they get the House.

00:07:52.000 They will impeach him.

00:07:54.000 And that's where we're going for in the second half of this hour.

00:07:57.000 And you can be upset with me for telling you the truth, but I know this to be a fact, put it that way, that they are going to use different, let's call them controversies within this administration.

00:08:12.000 And they are telegraphing their moves here.

00:08:16.000 They understand that going after Trump was politically a disaster for them.

00:08:20.000 And that's probably one of the reasons why we have President Trump in the first place.

00:08:24.000 They're going to go for some of the lieutenants. 0.69

00:08:27.000 And if they can keep the popularity of this war down, if even our own conservative students are alienated, then they've got a great chance of taking back the House.

00:08:39.000 And we need to fight that.

00:08:40.000 I'm not a doomer.

00:08:41.000 I don't think this is set in stone.

00:08:43.000 You talk about this now so that it doesn't become a reality later.

00:08:48.000 And we are completely supportive of our military.

00:08:50.000 When the mission was, when they pressed go, when the green light was hit, we're all in for success and we're praying for success, but we have to be honest about the political ramifications as well.

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00:10:15.000 I'm going to throw up this image, 596.

00:10:17.000 Again, I don't want you guys to get mad at what we're telling you.

00:10:21.000 It's just true that this is a politically fraught war.

00:10:24.000 Our military is second to none.

00:10:26.000 They're doing an incredible job.

00:10:28.000 They've been planning these operations for a while.

00:10:31.000 This could be the national security best call. 0.66

00:10:34.000 But we have to be honest about the fact that, as Blake said, there's an air war, there's an aerial assault, and there's an airwaves war.

00:10:41.000 There's a PR battle.

00:10:42.000 And we have to be honest that this is going to be an uphill battle.

00:10:46.000 Our kids on chapters warned us about this.

00:10:49.000 But then there's this from Politico.

00:10:51.000 U.S. Central Command, meanwhile, is asking the Pentagon to send more military intelligence officers to its headquarters in Tampa, Florida to support operations against Iran for at least 100 days.

00:11:01.000 Excuse me?

00:11:02.000 But likely through September.

00:11:05.000 According to a notification obtained by Politico.

00:11:08.000 Now, obviously, we don't trust the media automatically, but if they say a notification, my guess is they have some source who showed them basically the request being made and for how long it was.

00:11:20.000 So if this report is true, again, let's go back.

00:11:23.000 We were told four to five weeks.

00:11:25.000 We could move that up.

00:11:26.000 We could move that back.

00:11:28.000 I'm not a fan of putting timelines on military actions because war is unpredictable.

00:11:32.000 War is hell.

00:11:33.000 We don't know what's going to happen.

00:11:35.000 So there's my starting point.

00:11:37.000 I think once you go, you better win.

00:11:40.000 You can't put that genie back in the bottle.

00:11:42.000 So I'm all for achieving missional objectives and strategic objectives in the region once you press go.

00:11:48.000 Hear me out.

00:11:49.000 But when there is a political calculation that you're also making in a midterm year, then when the timeline starts getting dragged out to 100 days, to September, there is going to be a political fallout.

00:12:04.000 Our country is sick of being at war.

00:12:08.000 The independents, normies, young people, these are contingencies that are sick of being at war, and we need to consider them and keep them in mind.

00:12:18.000 So that's a big, big thing.

00:12:20.000 This is our flashing red light to say, don't forget Gen Z. Don't forget independents.

00:12:25.000 Don't forget the people that built the coalition that was big enough to win a popular vote in seven swing states.

00:12:32.000 We have to consider this because if we lose in the midterms, if, I'm not saying we will, I'm not a doomer.

00:12:39.000 We're going to work our butts off to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:12:42.000 But if, you better believe it, they are going to impeach President Trump.

00:12:47.000 And we don't know how many fighters we're going to have in the Senate. 0.97

00:12:49.000 Impeach President Trump, if it goes bad enough, you lose the Senate, and that's much worse.

00:12:53.000 Then, okay, yeah, they're doing their endless investigations from the House.

00:12:56.000 That's bad.

00:12:57.000 But if they take the Senate, very likely that the Democrats will say, we are just going to categorically not confirm any appointees by the Trump administration.

00:13:06.000 In-House, no more judges, no more cabinet secretaries, no more undersecretaries.

00:13:11.000 Anyone who leaves is just an empty slot.

00:13:14.000 No more U.S. attorneys.

00:13:16.000 Oh, you can't investigate fraud in Minnesota or in Maine, Maine, or anywhere else.

00:13:21.000 California.

00:13:22.000 Those are the stakes.

00:13:23.000 And so we have to say, if this has political consequences, if this is going to be, if they need to do a good job of selling it, they need to know that.

00:13:32.000 Yeah.

00:13:32.000 And unfortunately, this whole hour is going to be a bit of tough medicine.

00:13:35.000 I mean, it really is.

00:13:36.000 And we're going to get into the next segment, some of the controversy brewing at DHS.

00:13:42.000 If you're not aware of it, we're going to fill you in because it's important.

00:13:45.000 Why?

00:13:46.000 Because these are arrows in the quiver of the Democrat Party.

00:13:49.000 So play this out.

00:13:51.000 If, not when, if, it's a big if, they control the House after the midterms, which historically is the norm, okay?

00:13:59.000 If they control the house after the midterms.

00:14:03.000 If they make some ground in the Senate.

00:14:06.000 We don't know how Susan Collins is going to vote. 0.61

00:14:08.000 We don't know how Curtis in Utah is going to vote.

00:14:10.000 McConnell.

00:14:11.000 We don't know any of that stuff.

00:14:12.000 All right, Movie Connell will be out.

00:14:15.000 We don't know how Lisa Murkowski is going to vote. 0.77

00:14:18.000 Rand Paul even.

00:14:20.000 There's a lot of question marks in the Senate.

00:14:22.000 So don't rest on the Senate either.

00:14:24.000 And we just found out that Montana, I'm just Daines.

00:14:31.000 Yes.

00:14:31.000 Danes announced his retirement.

00:14:34.000 That came out the last minute in Montana.

00:14:36.000 Meanwhile, Sheehy is getting into fights in the Capitol, broke some dudes' hand, some protesters' hand.

00:14:43.000 I mean, I don't think he meant to.

00:14:44.000 It's obvious from the tape, but it was quite the video.

00:14:47.000 So we're setting up a chessboard here where everything that we've worked for could be wiped away.

00:14:55.000 And we can't let that happen.

00:14:57.000 We need to go in clear-eyed and understand the ramifications of the decisions that have been made.

00:15:03.000 And I'm telling you, that segment with our young people yesterday, turning point students, at Appalachian State of all places, records didn't surprise me as much.

00:15:14.000 No, it is a blue-ish college town, but nevertheless, it's still not an Ivy League.

00:15:18.000 But look where they're sourcing their students.

00:15:20.000 The county was overall about 50-50.

00:15:22.000 I just checked.

00:15:23.000 But they're sourcing their students at Appalachian State, much different feeder system.

00:15:29.000 And as we said, we asked people you know who voted for Trump last year, how are they feeling?

00:15:34.000 And they said pretty similar vibe.

00:15:36.000 And I'm telling you, Charlie knew the same.

00:15:38.000 This is why he was raising the flag warning ahead of Operation Midnight Hammer because he understood that this was wildly unpopular.

00:15:47.000 We sold President Trump to young people as the peace president. 0.64

00:15:52.000 Now, the truth is, again, underscoring our military, second to none.

00:15:56.000 We support our warriors.

00:15:58.000 We want this to be the last conflict in the Middle East ever. 1.00

00:15:58.000 We want success. 1.00

00:16:02.000 We want to take Iran as a malignant force in the region off the map. 1.00

00:16:05.000 And this could be, very well could be, the right geopolitical move, the right national security movement.

00:16:11.000 I want to answer a specific email here that we got.

00:16:13.000 Liz says, why would you have college students two opinions that could not be more accurate on your show to be propaganda?

00:16:20.000 Charlie spoke to college students all the time.

00:16:22.000 They're voters.

00:16:22.000 He was on campus all the time.

00:16:24.000 He had panels with them all the time.

00:16:26.000 He cared about their opinions and he wanted to know what they were, both because that's the only way you can convince them, but also because they are the future.

00:16:34.000 And they're voters.

00:16:35.000 They're voters.

00:16:37.000 They're 18 and over, all of them.

00:16:38.000 Charlie would absolutely listen to what they had to say, and he would not dismiss them if it was not what he wanted to do.

00:16:43.000 Here's the other thing I want people to keep in mind.

00:16:45.000 It's a leading indicator.

00:16:46.000 When you see all the chatter online and the movement of opinion, a lot of that starts on TikTok and Instagram and memes.

00:16:55.000 Doesn't stay there.

00:16:57.000 What happens on college campus doesn't stay on college campus.

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00:18:01.000 Welcome to the show.

00:18:02.000 Right now is Mike Howell.

00:18:03.000 He's the president of the Oversight Project.

00:18:05.000 Welcome to the show, Mike.

00:18:06.000 Great to have you.

00:18:07.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:18:08.000 Absolutely.

00:18:09.000 All right.

00:18:10.000 We should set this up.

00:18:11.000 Let's set it up.

00:18:12.000 Christy No is head of DHS and she went to Congress this past week for two days of hearings before the Senate and the House on a whole raft of things.

00:18:24.000 And we'll be blunt, what stands out about it is she got tough questions, obviously, from Democrats, but also from some Republicans.

00:18:31.000 Yep.

00:18:32.000 And Republicans that we like and we respect.

00:18:35.000 Mike, why don't you set the table?

00:18:36.000 I've got a couple clips.

00:18:37.000 I've got one from Senator Kennedy, and we have some headlines when I get to, but the floor is yours.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, so no doubt, it's been a rough couple months at the Department of Homeland Security.

00:18:46.000 I mean, the most obvious thing is the deportation numbers are just way too low.

00:18:50.000 It's President Trump's central campaign promise to conduct mass deportations.

00:18:54.000 They're only at a couple hundred thousand.

00:18:56.000 And so that's number one.

00:18:58.000 But what the Secretary took heat for is really from multiple angles is, you know, ethics issues. 1.00

00:19:05.000 And it came from Republicans and Democrats and primarily related to the contracting process.

00:19:10.000 And in doing so, the thing that jumps out at me the most as an oversight guy, I run the Oversight Project is the implication of the president of the United States, President Trump, in that, because she was taking on heated questions about a $200 million ad buy on Fox News telling illegal aliens to self-deport.

00:19:27.000 Pause for a second.

00:19:28.000 Not a lot of illegal aliens watch Fox News where that advertisement was primarily played.

00:19:33.000 And she said the president told her to do it.

00:19:35.000 And so if I'm a White House lawyer, knowing that the president is most likely going to be impeached if Democrats win the House, I have a lot of concern about the fact that one of my cabinet secretaries just implicated the president and a vector of that.

00:19:48.000 That's one of the angles.

00:19:49.000 There's a lot more, but it was a really rough couple days.

00:19:52.000 And we have that clip.

00:19:53.000 This is Senator Kennedy from Louisiana.

00:19:56.000 So again, a senator we like, asking her about, yes, this $220 million ad buy.

00:20:02.000 Let's do 586.

00:20:05.000 How do you square that concern for waste, which I share with the fact that you have spent $220 million running television advertisements that feature you prominently.

00:20:28.000 Sir, the president tasked me with getting the message out to the country and to other countries where we were seeing the invasion come from with putting commercials out that told them that if they were in this country illegally, that they needed to leave or we would detain them and remove them and they'd not get the chance to come back to America the right way. 0.88

00:20:47.000 That has been extremely effective.

00:20:49.000 Ask you to run these advertisements.

00:20:53.000 Is that right?

00:20:54.000 We had that conversation, yes.

00:20:56.000 All right, so it continues on here, Mike.

00:20:58.000 There's a second part of this that's important because you could see Kennedy's kind of zeroing in here.

00:21:03.000 597.

00:21:04.000 You're testifying that President Trump approved this ahead of time.

00:21:08.000 Is that my understanding?

00:21:11.000 We had conversations about making sure that we were telling people across the I'm asking you, sorry to interrupt, but the president approved ahead of time you spending $220 million running TV ads across the country in which you are featured prominently.

00:21:29.000 Yes, sir.

00:21:29.000 We went through the legal processes.

00:21:31.000 Did it correctly work with OMB?

00:21:34.000 He did.

00:21:34.000 Yes.

00:21:35.000 Yes.

00:21:36.000 Okay.

00:21:38.000 And one thing, Senator, I think would be helpful to know is how effective that communications has been.

00:21:44.000 So this has sparked massive, massive amounts of rumors.

00:21:51.000 And let's just throw some of these.

00:21:53.000 This is, I guess, 590, Trump Moles, GNOME Firing.

00:22:00.000 This is from Punch Bowl News.

00:22:01.000 This was the first to get it after this interaction.

00:22:06.000 588, this is from Daily Beast, not somebody we typically reference here on the show, but nevertheless, now rumors are swirling.

00:22:15.000 Mike, what put it this way, you set up the stakes well.

00:22:20.000 If Democrats get control of the House, he's going to be impeached.

00:22:24.000 They would love something like this to be true, where the DHS secretary is featured prominently is what Senator Kennedy said.

00:22:35.000 They would love for this to be an ethics violation or some sort of corruption, but it goes deeper than this, does it not?

00:22:42.000 There is reporting about airplanes.

00:22:45.000 There's reporting about budgets with former spokespeople.

00:22:50.000 Lay out kind of what she's dealing with here.

00:22:53.000 Yes, she's taking it on from a lot of different angles.

00:22:56.000 And it primarily revolves around the movement of money and the ethical perceptions and issues.

00:23:02.000 And a lot of them came on full display at a hearing from Republicans and Democrats.

00:23:05.000 So let's recall reconciliation, one big beautiful bill, $40 billion to go to ICE, to hire more agents, get detention facilities.

00:23:13.000 That money really hasn't been spent yet.

00:23:15.000 It's not getting out in the field.

00:23:16.000 We aren't seeing big detention facilities and manpower increases stood up.

00:23:21.000 Instead, the money first was spent on these kind of marketing and communications ploys, which I call mass communications instead of mass deportations.

00:23:31.000 Now, you add to that failure on the operational side, the ethical scandal that is brewing.

00:23:37.000 And it opens up a vector for Democrats and even a lot of Republicans to attack the president's central mandate of his administration, which is the secure the border and mass deportations.

00:23:49.000 And then to make matters worse, you can imagine when these impeachment inquiries into the secretary open, it's going to go right to the president's desk.

00:23:56.000 And Senator Kennedy is a really smart lawyer.

00:23:59.000 He understood the importance and the liability of what the secretary laid out there when she implicated the president.

00:24:06.000 And I think he was trying to do the White House a solid by making them see very clearly where this trail would inevitably lead.

00:24:15.000 The reason we're emphasizing this is this is clearly, it's basically the most important department within this president's administration.

00:24:22.000 It is his most important campaign promise is to deliver on border security deportations.

00:24:27.000 And as we know from what happened in Minneapolis, it's inevitable we're going to get a lot of pressure on the stuff that needs to happen.

00:24:34.000 We need ICE agents out there arresting people.

00:24:37.000 There's going on incidents.

00:24:38.000 Non-negotiable.

00:24:39.000 You're going to take heat for that. 0.83

00:24:41.000 It is entirely avoidable and optional to take heat for the advertising budget.

00:24:47.000 This is what I wanted to zero in with you, Mike.

00:24:49.000 I totally agree.

00:24:51.000 You just said something that's incredibly striking.

00:24:54.000 And actually, I'm sitting here boiling, if I'm being honest.

00:24:59.000 You just said we're not getting detention facilities.

00:25:03.000 And so what other contracts are not getting out the door while we're getting marketing budgets?

00:25:10.000 Yeah, the Hill, you know, no one wants to throw shade at this issue.

00:25:13.000 And I'm certainly not here to throw shade, but it's the reality that, you know, $40 billion, not much of it has been spent.

00:25:20.000 DHS hasn't even updated Capitol Hill on the money that's gone out.

00:25:24.000 Most of it's been tied up.

00:25:25.000 One example is the border wall contracts.

00:25:28.000 Those only left the secretary's desk a few months ago because they were being held up in this type of contract approval procedure that has come under this ethical scandal.

00:25:39.000 And so the result was, President Trump got very upset that the wall wasn't being built.

00:25:43.000 We saw the reports of it not going up.

00:25:45.000 There was a finger-pointing exercise within the department as to whose fault that was.

00:25:49.000 It ended up that the contracts were sitting on the secretary's desk as the price of steel increased massively.

00:25:56.000 And then ultimately, after some hearings a few weeks ago, the contracts finally moved.

00:26:01.000 And that's just like one example.

00:26:03.000 And so we can move from the border wall stuff to.

00:26:05.000 So I just want to point out that when you say sitting on the desk, do you mean that literally, like we're waiting for a signature?

00:26:12.000 Yes.

00:26:14.000 Okay.

00:26:15.000 All right.

00:26:16.000 What's happened is, and this is unusual, and the secretary has told lawmakers this, that she approves all contracts over a certain amount, which has led to, you know, removal of authority from CBP, ICE, and elsewhere, and centralized it at headquarters.

00:26:30.000 And that has led to some of the infighting, and I call it drama and again, not commas, in the deportation number.

00:26:35.000 And that's why so many people at DHS are at each other's throats as of late.

00:26:39.000 And it's no secret that the camps have been fighting.

00:26:42.000 At first, it was internal, but it's spilled over into the press with targeted leaks of blaming each other back and forth.

00:26:48.000 And so that's the environment at DHS.

00:26:50.000 But why I care is because we're here to get mass deportations done.

00:26:54.000 And if these facilities aren't stood up, ASAP and many are waiting to go, then we are not going to execute the mass deportation agenda.

00:27:02.000 And so, like, that's what I care about.

00:27:04.000 But when you open up an ethical flank to that, that gives recalcitrant Republicans and Democrats an angle to make sure that we can't even at a later date get that money spent, it's a disaster.

00:27:15.000 And I think that's why the president's so upset about it.

00:27:18.000 I mean, I've been very clear on this show.

00:27:20.000 This is my personally.

00:27:21.000 This is my number one issue.

00:27:22.000 I think it's existential to the future of the country.

00:27:25.000 We must enforce our sovereignty.

00:27:27.000 We must have a border wall.

00:27:29.000 We must deport criminal illegal aliens. 1.00

00:27:32.000 And everybody needs to be on the table to deport, by the way.

00:27:35.000 No amnesty, none of this sob story stuff.

00:27:38.000 This is what got President Trump elected more than anything else.

00:27:43.000 When we have to see it through, I have some breaking news.

00:27:46.000 This is a White House correspondent from Reuters, Nandita Bose, or Bose.

00:27:51.000 I'm not sure how you pronounce it.

00:27:53.000 If you guys could get that.

00:27:54.000 President Trump told Reuters he did not sign off on a $200 million ad buy featuring DHS Secretary Christy Noam and had nothing to do with it.

00:28:04.000 That is a massive signal right there.

00:28:07.000 We talk about signal and noise.

00:28:09.000 When President Trump, I mean, that means that President Trump is aware of the machinations and the scheming against him and is concerned enough about this to set the record straight.

00:28:20.000 Mike, how do you interpret this?

00:28:22.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:28:23.000 It's a massive signal.

00:28:24.000 It's President Trump saying he's had enough of this.

00:28:26.000 And look, obviously he did not sign off on $200 million ad buy to play on Fox News to tell illegals to self-deport, which, by the way, only less than 100,000 ended up using the application CBP1 to actually do that.

00:28:40.000 DHS hasn't released numbers.

00:28:42.000 But this is the president and his lawyer saying we're not going to get dragged down into this impeachment inquiry just because she brought up his name.

00:28:49.000 And here's the other thing.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 So there was a contract that was supposed to go out, I think was part of this marketing budget to recruit ICE agents, new ICE agents, because we had 10,000 plus to fill, correct?

00:29:05.000 And I'm told that those numbers got filled pretty quickly, and yet without much of the budget being spent, have you heard the same?

00:29:14.000 Yeah, I think ICE recruitment numbers are good right now.

00:29:17.000 These ads, though, I think related to the CBP1 app and the self-deportation.

00:29:21.000 If you recall, they featured the secretary prominently and almost predominantly aired on Fox News at night, which again, legal aliens don't watch. 0.99

00:29:30.000 And so they initially grabbed a lot of attention as being unusual.

00:29:33.000 And then you add into it the allegations that the contract was like a sole source emergency funding deal that went to someone with political connections to the secretary.

00:29:43.000 And that was the feature of hearings yesterday and the day before, allegations of corruption there.

00:29:48.000 No, and I get that one.

00:29:49.000 So that's one bucket.

00:29:50.000 But wasn't there a second bucket to recruit ICE agents?

00:29:53.000 I think they did.

00:29:54.000 They had the money to recruit ICE agents.

00:29:56.000 They got the recruits they needed and they just kept spending it, which might have the implication that someone really wanted, you know, they could have returned that money, used that for something else.

00:30:05.000 Right.

00:30:06.000 Yeah.

00:30:06.000 The overall thrust of this is these ads read as self-promotion and political advertising as opposed to mission-focused things.

00:30:12.000 Yeah.

00:30:13.000 So here's another clip with Christy Noam.

00:30:15.000 I believe this is Sheldon Whitehouse, who I don't like.

00:30:18.000 So take it with a grain of salt, but it's about this luxury DHS jet, which is another story.

00:30:24.000 There's an Axio.

00:30:25.000 Axios broke this last week, Mike.

00:30:27.000 I'm sure you saw it, but for our audience who may not be aware, 603.

00:30:32.000 Could you explain this?

00:30:37.000 Sir, I'm looking at a picture of an interior.

00:30:41.000 Looks like a bedroom.

00:30:43.000 Of an airplane.

00:30:45.000 Yes, sir.

00:30:46.000 You're not familiar with that?

00:30:47.000 These photos are not accurate.

00:30:49.000 If you're referring to the airplanes that the Department of Homeland Security has purchased and are purchasing, we're using them for long-range command and control aircraft that is dictated in statute by Congress for the Department of Homeland Security to have a plane.

00:31:05.000 Luxury jet with a bedroom in it.

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 Mike, here's the Axios story from last week.

00:31:11.000 What do you know about this?

00:31:12.000 Separate fact from fiction.

00:31:14.000 I don't trust Sheldon Whitehouse at all.

00:31:16.000 So I'm not going to tell you.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, that's the problem here.

00:31:18.000 We don't want Sheldon Whitehouse and the Democrats ever to be right or have a leg up.

00:31:22.000 But here, like, not doing them any favors when money that was supposed to be spent on deportation aircraft are being used for luxury travel for the secretary and others.

00:31:33.000 And, you know, the Axios story checks out.

00:31:35.000 I mean, one of these jets they claimed was for deportation usage and the contract is being used for like international junkets and travel.

00:31:43.000 And you juxtaposed that against a secretary who spent very little time at DHS headquarters.

00:31:48.000 By some counts, less than like a month of time there, and is instead focused on traveling the globe and elsewhere.

00:31:55.000 It kind of begins to just look like what it is.

00:31:58.000 And it's the use of the emergency funds and the one big beautiful bill money, which was supposed to be getting illegals out, is being used to get the Secretary of the Homeland of Security around the world in the country in style.

00:32:09.000 And it just gives Democrats such high ground to make these types of argument.

00:32:13.000 And I don't want to be watching Sheldon Whitehouse and others have that high ground.

00:32:17.000 And that's why it's such a problem.

00:32:19.000 So this is pretty frustrating to hear.

00:32:23.000 This is was kind of the main reason that I, I mean, I don't, there was a lot of reasons, but like deportations was top of my list.

00:32:31.000 Now, devil, you know, double advocate, obviously this has been critical.

00:32:34.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 The thing is, okay, let's say the president dismisses her, appoints someone new to the position.

00:32:41.000 Are we able to continue doing deportations, doing the wall, doing the things that need to be done while that position goes unfilled, possibly for months on end?

00:32:50.000 Like in an interim or something.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, so there will be an interim.

00:32:53.000 Will that person be able to deliver on all the things we care about?

00:32:57.000 Or would we want to maybe have the president give her a stern tongue-lashing, but keep her around purely because we can't afford that two-month pause? 1.00

00:33:05.000 Yeah, so on the first part of the question, yes.

00:33:08.000 I mean, if you recall in Trump won, we basically ran on acting secretaries while the border wall was being built, which isn't without its problems.

00:33:14.000 But, you know, you could.

00:33:16.000 The OBB money is insulated from the shutdown and all of that.

00:33:20.000 And so it really comes down to policy changes at the department that need to happen.

00:33:25.000 One is, you know, open the aperture of the deportation program.

00:33:28.000 You know, we got to move from this near-exclusive focus on criminals to getting the numbers up, which means work site enforcement, you know, to get into the millions, which, you know, President Trump promised to meet Eisenhower, and that's what it'll take.

00:33:40.000 So that policy change isn't going to happen under current leadership.

00:33:43.000 And then second is this process, which has just hunkered down the moving of this critical $40 billion worth of money.

00:33:51.000 And now it's going to be even harder to move that money under current leadership with everybody just so focused on the perceptions of ethical issues in that contracting process.

00:34:00.000 Politically speaking, of course, it's the president's decision to make.

00:34:04.000 And, you know, he's got the insight into what needs to be done there.

00:34:08.000 But there are people that could come in and get confirmed by the Senate rather quickly.

00:34:11.000 And if you've seen their names floating around, I mean, Jason Schaffetz could fly through the Senate and he's got a lot of experience and wants the deportation numbers up.

00:34:19.000 Mark Morgan, the former head of CVP and ICE in Trump won, he's an operator who knows how to get things done, has law enforcement experience and rank and file support.

00:34:28.000 He could fly through the Senate.

00:34:30.000 So these are all things that I'm sure the White House is weighing with their optionality of having more insight into the various variables in this moving exercise.

00:34:40.000 So, Mike, this has been excellent.

00:34:43.000 Thank you for a dispassionate presentation of the facts.

00:34:46.000 We don't want to rush to judgment, but certainly this is troubling because we have an electorate, a base, a coalition that wants to focus on local domestic issues.

00:34:56.000 Meanwhile, we've got a war in Iran, strikes ongoing.

00:35:00.000 The timeline keeps stretching out.

00:35:02.000 It's going to be a grueling campaign, even if it is the right geopolitical move to make.

00:35:09.000 Meanwhile, the domestic number one issue, the issue that basically unites the entire base, the entire coalition is deportation, sealing the border, getting tough on immigration.

00:35:20.000 And it seems to be just a complete mess.

00:35:23.000 And that is a formula for disaster.

00:35:26.000 Mike, thank you so much.

00:35:27.000 The Oversight Project, this has been excellent.

00:35:30.000 We're going to have you on again soon as this develops.

00:35:32.000 Thank you.

00:35:33.000 Appreciate it.

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00:37:03.000 But it had to be said.

00:37:04.000 Sometimes you got to take your medicine.

00:37:06.000 But we've got a great hour or two in store for you.

00:37:11.000 And somebody I met at for the first time at America Fest, and that's Matt Van Swall.

00:37:15.000 He's a former nuclear scientist for the Department of Energy.

00:37:19.000 And not Department of Education.

00:37:21.000 DOE.

00:37:22.000 DOE is one of those ones.

00:37:24.000 You are somebody that has your social media following has grown very rapidly.

00:37:31.000 I mean, I don't know how many followers you have on X or whatever.

00:37:33.000 It's a lot, over a million.

00:37:35.000 And you used to be a left-winger.

00:37:40.000 I don't know how far left, but you were a Democrat.

00:37:43.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:37:44.000 And then you basically had a conversion story, and you happened to be a nuclear scientist, and you happened to be in Phoenix.

00:37:51.000 I was like, you need to come in and explain enrichment because we got this Iran situation going on.

00:37:57.000 But let's start with your conversion.

00:37:59.000 Give us your backstory and what made you kind of start changing.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, so after college, I kind of became significantly more left-leaning.

00:38:10.000 And it started in college and then kind of quickly escalated from there.

00:38:16.000 You know, I was single.

00:38:17.000 I was working, you know, it was in an apartment by myself.

00:38:20.000 I was doing like the online dating thing.

00:38:23.000 And, you know, you start, you know, I was reading the New York Times, you know, CNN, and you kind of get all of your news.

00:38:30.000 And everyone at work is the same way, too.

00:38:31.000 You know, you're all kind of bantering and talking.

00:38:34.000 And you just start to see yourself move slowly to the left as everyone.

00:38:39.000 So you didn't grow up.

00:38:40.000 You didn't grow up necessarily.

00:38:41.000 No, no, no.

00:38:42.000 No, definitely not political.

00:38:44.000 My parents were pretty right-leaning growing up.

00:38:48.000 And I kind of had like a backlash.

00:38:50.000 The same thing with Christianity, too.

00:38:52.000 Like, I grew up going to church with my parents.

00:38:55.000 And then kind of after college, it just drifted away.

00:38:59.000 So what was the turning point then?

00:39:01.000 Unintended.

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 So for, you know, my wife and I were in Western North Carolina during Helene.

00:39:10.000 And, you know, we lost power for a couple of weeks, but we saw so much devastation during that time.

00:39:17.000 And I wasn't really on Twitter at all up until Helene.

00:39:22.000 And we watched as FEMA just constantly failed over and over and over.

00:39:27.000 And it was so appalling during that time period because you would see FEMA failures all over the place.

00:39:35.000 And the news would just be glowing reviews of how awesome FEMA was doing and how horrific Helene was.

00:39:44.000 But then you just walk down the street, or what I did, walk down the street and see people living in tents almost months after Helene.

00:39:53.000 And you're like, things are not going OK.

00:39:56.000 I mean, I'm like, I don't know if you remember, but like that was terrible to see the wreckage from that hurricane.

00:40:04.000 Basically, Asheville, aren't you based in that area?

00:40:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 So the town was unrecognizable.

00:40:11.000 That hurricane completely wiped that town away.

00:40:15.000 Anything by the river was completely demolished.

00:40:18.000 $79 billion of damage.

00:40:20.000 I mean, people need to remember just how large of a catastrophe Helene was.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, people were quick to forget that.

00:40:27.000 We're still recovering.

00:40:28.000 I mean, like, I'll be just perfectly honest.

00:40:30.000 Like, I haven't thought about it recently.

00:40:32.000 I mean, there's been a couple people that have brought it up here and there, but I mean, you have some of these B-roll images, and I don't even think these are the worst.

00:40:40.000 There was whole swaths of town that were just mud.

00:40:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:43.000 And that's one of the reasons I started putting it out.

00:40:45.000 I had a drone.

00:40:46.000 And people asked me, How did you get big on Twitter?

00:40:49.000 I was the guy with the drone that was putting out just the images from Helene.

00:40:54.000 Like, that was it.

00:40:55.000 And so I throw my drone up and you would just see devastation as far as you could see.

00:41:00.000 And it was awful.

00:41:01.000 I mean, the river just took out everything along it.

00:41:04.000 It was so terrible.

00:41:06.000 But the cleanup after that and the helping of people from FEMA was so slow.

00:41:12.000 It took so long.

00:41:13.000 And we eventually started talking to people like Sean Hendricks, who's a good buddy of mine now, who did Helene cleanup.

00:41:19.000 And we would talk to him and you'd be like, yeah, there are people living in tents today.

00:41:24.000 Still today.

00:41:25.000 No, but months afterwards.

00:41:28.000 And you're like, how is this possible?

00:41:29.000 And you drive around with them.

00:41:31.000 And sure enough, there were people living in tents.

00:41:33.000 And we were like, we have to get involved.

00:41:35.000 So we started getting involved.

00:41:37.000 And I remember this, we started talking with Sean.

00:41:40.000 His name's Sean Hendricks.

00:41:41.000 You can find him on X. Started talking with Sean.

00:41:43.000 It's just having these moments.

00:41:44.000 We were like, you know, the government is not.

00:41:49.000 We would talk to these victims and they'd be like, we applied to FEMA, heard nothing.

00:41:53.000 And then you would see a nonprofit like Glenn Beck's Mercury One step in and they'd just build them a new home like out of nowhere.

00:42:00.000 And FEMA was nowhere to be found.

00:42:03.000 And we were like, I mean, we have to, we have to, you know, get involved.

00:42:07.000 So my wife and I started driving RVs to people.

00:42:10.000 People would just donate RVs out of nowhere and be like, hey, here's an RV.

00:42:14.000 We're not using it.

00:42:16.000 Please give this to someone that needs it.

00:42:18.000 And so we get them in, we would clean them, and then Sean or someone else would drive the RV.

00:42:24.000 And I vividly remember this one time.

00:42:26.000 We were driving an RV to a woman and her son.

00:42:31.000 And I drove the RV up to their house and they were living in a shed with a propane heater.

00:42:38.000 And I remember walking into the shed and my head hurt so bad from the propane.

00:42:44.000 I was like, how the hell can anyone live in this?

00:42:47.000 And this was months after Helene.

00:42:51.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

00:42:53.000 And on that drive, I opened my phone and I saw Lake Lore, which, you know, is an incredible spot.

00:43:03.000 I opened my phone and I saw that Joe Biden had given billions of dollars to Ukraine.

00:43:13.000 And I was sitting there driving an RV to someone, like an American that needed it.

00:43:19.000 And I was like, this is insane.

00:43:21.000 Like, this is absolutely nuts.

00:43:23.000 And then I started, you know, just putting out the stories.

00:43:26.000 It was story after story after story of people applying to FEMA, getting rejected, never hearing back.

00:43:32.000 And they were the worst stories you've ever seen in your life.

00:43:35.000 And the only people that stepped up were the nonprofits and just everyday American citizens.

00:43:41.000 And it was wild.

00:43:42.000 And meanwhile, we're giving away billions of dollars to Ukraine, and we were funding all these nonprofits to help illegals get in the country and gain the system.

00:43:52.000 Yeah, pretty radicalizing, isn't it?

00:43:54.000 Actually, and it's important that we tell those stories because we need to remember how we got here and what actually put President Trump in office, I think.

00:44:05.000 So, you became a Christian, too.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, so we only got a minute left.

00:44:08.000 Of course, I'd ask you the hardest question with a minute back.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, my wife and I started going back to church.

00:44:14.000 It's very tangentially related to seeing all of the nonprofits step up when the government failed.

00:44:20.000 And almost all of the nonprofits, almost all of them, were Christian nonprofits.

00:44:25.000 And we realized later on that our kids did not have a community group.

00:44:31.000 They didn't have any moral teaching outside of my wife and I.

00:44:36.000 And my wife grew up going to church as well.

00:44:39.000 But we both, we had never gone to church together ever in the six years that we've been together.

00:44:44.000 And we were like, we have to go back to church for our kids and for the community that it builds.

00:44:53.000 And so we ended up doing that.

00:44:55.000 And it's been awesome.

00:44:57.000 My daughter works in the nursery.

00:44:59.000 My wife and I just met her. 0.99

00:45:00.000 I've been involved.

00:45:01.000 Yeah, she's awesome. 1.00

00:45:01.000 You got a beautiful family, man. 1.00

00:45:03.000 And yeah, it's been really great.

00:45:06.000 I highly recommend it.

00:45:08.000 Even if you are not a Christian, the community and the morals you get from church is amazing.

00:45:14.000 So a lot has been made in Iran.

00:45:18.000 They were for decades on the precipice of getting a nuclear weapon.

00:45:23.000 My entire lifetime.

00:45:24.000 Yes, help us separate fact from fiction.

00:45:28.000 So we're hearing that, you know, we bomb Furdo. 0.93

00:45:31.000 Then we're told they could make a dirty bomb. 0.99

00:45:31.000 Sure. 0.99

00:45:35.000 Explain enrichment to us.

00:45:36.000 How fast does it go?

00:45:37.000 What does it take?

00:45:38.000 Could you do it in kind of like these crappy backroom labs or whatever?

00:45:42.000 What does it take?

00:45:43.000 Probably not.

00:45:44.000 So the way, so there's a couple ways to do enrichment.

00:45:48.000 The one that we did in the 40s is not what's being done now.

00:45:51.000 So you could do it.

00:45:53.000 You're essentially trying to separate uranium-238 from uranium-235.

00:45:59.000 And if you can get uranium-235 up to 90% enrichment, then you have a bomb.

00:46:05.000 And the reason for that is it's essentially a domino effect.

00:46:08.000 So if you're making, you know, you wanted to make, let's just say, nuclear energy, you would only enrich uranium at most 5%.

00:46:16.000 Like that, that would be the max.

00:46:17.000 If you're anything above 5%, you're clearly trying to do something nefarious.

00:46:22.000 There's no reason.

00:46:24.000 Over what percent?

00:46:25.000 Over 5%.

00:46:26.000 No kidding, that low?

00:46:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:27.000 So 3 to 5%.

00:46:29.000 We're hearing like 60%.

00:46:31.000 That's insane.

00:46:32.000 There's no nuclear reactor on the planet that uses 60%.

00:46:34.000 Anything over 60%.

00:46:35.000 Right then, when they go into the room, apparently it was Kushner and Witkoff.

00:46:39.000 They go into the room with their negotiating counterparts from Iran, and they're like, we have 60% enriched, and we have enough to make 11 bombs of nuclear material, right?

00:46:50.000 Uranium, essentially.

00:46:52.000 So right then, it's kind of like this whole narrative that they're.

00:46:56.000 You're clearly making a nuke.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, we just want to be able to power our country with nuclear energy.

00:47:02.000 Supposedly, we just offered them all the nuclear fuel they could ever want.

00:47:06.000 But that's at 5%.

00:47:08.000 100%.

00:47:09.000 So how long does it take to go from 5% to 60%?

00:47:12.000 So it works on like a to go from zero to, let's just say, 0% enrichment to 5% enrichment takes almost as long, it depends, as going from, let's just say, like 60 to 90%.

00:47:24.000 So there's a very long lag time at the beginning.

00:47:28.000 And so that process could take you 10 years.

00:47:31.000 To go from 0 to 5?

00:47:33.000 No, to go from zero to 90%.

00:47:35.000 Is it all about how much infrastructure you have?

00:47:39.000 It's all about how many centrifuges you have.

00:47:41.000 So if, you know, in the 40s, we determined that it would take like 10,000 centrifuges to get us to a nuclear bomb back in the 40s.

00:47:51.000 And so we didn't do it that way.

00:47:52.000 But Iran's doing it with centrifuges because they're pretending that they want it for nuclear energy, which they're not.

00:48:00.000 Again, if you have anything over 10%, you're going for something.

00:48:03.000 Okay, so you're, as a nuclear scientist, you're hearing and looking at these stats, these figures that are being reported, and you're instantly calling garbage on nuclear energy.

00:48:14.000 You know they're going for a nuclear weapon.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, of course.

00:48:18.000 Okay.

00:48:19.000 So how did we do it in the 40s if we didn't do it with centrifuges?

00:48:21.000 Oh, that's a good question.

00:48:23.000 Is it too long of a question?

00:48:26.000 I don't want to bog us down, but public information?

00:48:28.000 Yeah, is it still secret?

00:48:29.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's public.

00:48:31.000 He's pretty sure.

00:48:33.000 90% sure.

00:48:34.000 No, I think you can grog it.

00:48:36.000 But essentially, the way we would do it was we forced, again, you're trying to separate 235 from 238.

00:48:44.000 And so you would essentially force it through smaller holes, like they're different sized elements.

00:48:50.000 So you would force it through tinier holes.

00:48:52.000 And then we use these monster magnets.

00:48:55.000 And the way that 235 and 238 bent, you could separate it out a lot easier than that.

00:49:02.000 But if you were trying to pretend like you were not making a nuclear bomb, you would do it through centrifuges.

00:49:09.000 You would do it with centrifuges.

00:49:10.000 That's how you do it in the energy world.

00:49:12.000 100%.

00:49:13.000 Okay.

00:49:14.000 So, so, okay. 0.67

00:49:17.000 Dirty bomb.

00:49:19.000 What is a dirty bomb?

00:49:20.000 How do you make it?

00:49:21.000 And so, because that's another whole storyline in this.

00:49:26.000 So you could theoretically make a dirty bomb by saying, let's just say you have 60% enriched uranium.

00:49:34.000 The reason you want to enrich it to 90% is to make the bomb as small as possible so you could put it on a rocket.

00:49:41.000 Otherwise, you have this gigantic bomb that you couldn't even put on a plane, right?

00:49:47.000 So the idea is to get, you know, get it as small as possible.

00:49:50.000 And then the explosion is much bigger.

00:49:51.000 It's like a giant domino effect at 90% enrichment versus at 5% enrichment, you're looking at like a slow meltdown, which is why it's perfect for energy because you just have the sustained energy over time versus it's like gasoline versus diesel.

00:50:06.000 If you've ever like lit one versus the other, it's the same idea.

00:50:09.000 So you want to get it to 90% enrichment, you get it on like a very small bowling ball size.

00:50:14.000 You could put it in a rocket and it hit someone.

00:50:16.000 Otherwise, you're just like, how would you transport something that big?

00:50:19.000 So 60% enriched uranium, you could definitely make a bomb.

00:50:23.000 Nobody's saying, but you couldn't send it anywhere.

00:50:25.000 You couldn't fly it. 0.96

00:50:26.000 Okay, so a dirty bomb. 0.65

00:50:27.000 Yes.

00:50:28.000 And how devastating is that likely to be?

00:50:31.000 I mean, 60%, I mean, it's still pretty devastating.

00:50:34.000 I mean, it'd be worse.

00:50:35.000 So, you know, conventional weapons.

00:50:39.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:50:39.000 Well, and there's all the fallout from that, right?

00:50:41.000 Oh, yeah, it's terrible.

00:50:43.000 So a dirty bomb would be—so what's ideal enrichment for an actual nuclear weapon?

00:50:49.000 90% or above.

00:50:50.000 Okay.

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:50:51.000 So a dirty bomb would be less than that.

00:50:53.000 Yes. 0.78

00:50:53.000 Okay. 0.78

00:50:53.000 Yeah. 0.78

00:50:54.000 So in theory, say Fordo.

00:50:56.000 We bomb Fordeau.

00:50:57.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 They scurry in there and they get 60% enriched or 70% enriched uranium and they fire it off, kind of as is the end of the?

00:51:05.000 Well, you could not.

00:51:06.000 It'd be very unlikely that you could fire off 60% enriched uranium.

00:51:11.000 Okay, that would be, you would.

00:51:12.000 It would be really tough to do that and have a.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, that'd be tough, but what they could be doing is, if you're at 60% enriched uranium, like I said, like there's a very long lead time for for getting uranium up to the point where you could make a bomb.

00:51:28.000 So if they've already gotten it up to 60% I think this is what I keep hearing from the administration you're pretty close, you know you're.

00:51:37.000 So if they've just got centrifuges somewhere that we don't know about and that are spinning away and 100% is possible yeah, interesting and yeah, I mean so.

00:51:48.000 John Solomon, remember that on the Saturday stream we did after the initial strike, he said that you wouldn't even have to get it out of FORD.

00:51:55.000 You could get it off of potentially, the Black Market, or there's other if someone handed them really like high, so anything above, let's just say 10% is highly enriched uranium.

00:52:05.000 Low-enriched uranium is used for nuclear reactors, then yeah, you're on your way for sure.

00:52:11.000 So, I mean, the more you know, like, okay, so you're being an educated person in this field.

00:52:19.000 This is what you know, this was your career.

00:52:22.000 When you're hearing about this, you're instantly going, yeah, that makes sense.

00:52:26.000 They could, they could hurt a lot of people real quickly.

00:52:28.000 Like, this is a you got to take this extraordinarily seriously for sure.

00:52:32.000 And I don't think I think a lot of the skeptics don't understand just how close we were basically existing all the time with Iran's nuclear program.

00:52:43.000 I mean, we were close all the time.

00:52:44.000 I mean, maybe that's why it feels like, well, we've always been so close.

00:52:48.000 Well, because they have been close to having a nuclear weapon.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, it's very possible, you know, that it just took them this long to get to 60%.

00:52:56.000 And it'd be nice to hear more from the administration about how close they were and evidence about that.

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00:54:02.000 All right, so we have a graph here, I believe.

00:54:05.000 Do we have that up yet, guys?

00:54:06.000 Because this is like, this is the grab.

00:54:09.000 Okay, uranium enrichment.

00:54:11.000 623.

00:54:12.000 I don't know what I'm looking at.

00:54:13.000 Is this the one or do you want the top one?

00:54:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:16.000 Never mind.

00:54:17.000 Sorry.

00:54:17.000 622.

00:54:18.000 Throw up 622.

00:54:19.000 So this is what we're looking at.

00:54:20.000 And uranium enrichment and uses.

00:54:22.000 So you're talking about the first 0 to 5% enrichment takes a long time.

00:54:26.000 This is correct.

00:54:27.000 And then going from 5 to 2.

00:54:31.000 It just accelerates.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 So it just, as you can see, if it's, you know, you need about 1,300 total units of, it looks like they're measuring energy or effort somehow, and you're at 1,200 by the time you get to 40%.

00:54:44.000 So the last 50% is less than 10% of the total effort.

00:54:48.000 This is correct.

00:54:49.000 Okay.

00:54:49.000 Effort.

00:54:51.000 SWU.

00:54:53.000 Okay, interesting.

00:54:53.000 So basically, when you talk about enrichment and they say that it's 60% enriched, based on this graph, getting from 60 to 90 happens way faster than going from zero to five.

00:55:03.000 Yeah, and I think when they bombed Ford, they said that they were somewhere around like 60% enriched uranium, which if you were to just take Iran at their word, the amount of centrifuges that they have, that could actually be one week.

00:55:19.000 Like, maybe.

00:55:20.000 It depends.

00:55:21.000 So when they say they set them back, they probably really did set them back pretty far.

00:55:25.000 But if they still kept 60% enriched uranium around and hit it, you know, God knows where, and they have other centrifuges we don't know about, then yeah, that would actually be a big problem.

00:55:37.000 So listen, this is where you go into the, you got to trust the people that we helped get elected to kind of make decisions, tough decisions that could be difficult politically, but man, you can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon.

00:55:51.000 President Trump has been very adamant about that, consistent about that.

00:55:55.000 I want to pivot a little bit here, though, Matt, because, you know, one of the things, if you follow Matt online, you live in a state that had a terrible, gruesome murder.

00:56:05.000 It was showcased at the State of the Union.

00:56:08.000 And of course, we are talking about Irina Zarutska.

00:56:11.000 She was a Ukrainian war refugee that moved to North Carolina and was brutally killed in a video, I think, that shocked the conscience of so many Americans.

00:56:22.000 100%.

00:56:23.000 And that's your state.

00:56:24.000 And what's interesting about that, it strikes close to home, and Blake will remember this, that, you know, she died just before Charlie was killed.

00:56:31.000 And Charlie was absolutely on top of this.

00:56:35.000 He tweeted about it a lot because this was a story that never should have happened.

00:56:41.000 She should still be alive today.

00:56:42.000 And actually, Erica sat next to Irina Zarutska's parents at the State of the Union.

00:56:47.000 I don't think she knew she was going to be next to them.

00:56:50.000 So it was a really powerful moment.

00:56:52.000 Yeah, I mean, you guys will remember these images.

00:56:55.000 Just horrifying to see them.

00:56:57.000 Our team's putting them up.

00:56:58.000 I just throw them up when you have them.

00:57:00.000 But, Matt, how did this story impact you?

00:57:02.000 Oh, I mean, it's crazy.

00:57:03.000 Like, my wife grew up in Charlotte.

00:57:06.000 So she's ridden the light rail quite a few times.

00:57:10.000 And I'd been kind of reporting on Charlotte crime at that point because it was just, I mean, if anyone wants to go report on Charlotte crime, it's a free-for-all.

00:57:18.000 Like, the media is not covering this whatsoever.

00:57:20.000 It's not hard to find the stories.

00:57:22.000 But this one was just so surprising in the sense that this guy, Charlotte has an insane repeat offender problem. 0.64

00:57:30.000 And this is something I cover over and over on Twitter.

00:57:33.000 But this guy had been in and out of prison so many times.

00:57:36.000 His mom said, you know, my son needs to be locked up.

00:57:39.000 He should not be out.

00:57:41.000 And they let him out.

00:57:42.000 Over and over.

00:57:43.000 Constantly.

00:57:45.000 And then he goes and says he's got voices in his head and then murders Irina.

00:57:49.000 And there's something deeply symbolic about this one.

00:57:52.000 Put up 628 and 629, and then the last one, if you can get it.

00:57:55.000 So, people have made murals around the country honoring her in big cities, and they keep getting vandalized.

00:58:03.000 People keep spray painting them, trashing them, damaging them.

00:58:09.000 And there's something very profoundly insightful about, I think, left-wing psychology that they would feel the need to do that, to trash murals of an innocent woman who was murdered by someone who should not have been on the street.

00:58:25.000 And as we know, she has become a symbol, but a lot of people could be this symbol.

00:58:32.000 There's a story that's been going on in Fairfax County, right outside D.C., where there was a murder there where it was, I believe, Abdul Jallow, a illegal immigrant from Africa, let out after, I think, five different malicious woundings, keeps stabbing people.

00:58:49.000 The police sent an email to the Fairfax prosecutor's office saying, you guys let this guy out again.

00:58:55.000 He keeps randomly stabbing people.

00:58:57.000 He's going to randomly stab someone again.

00:58:59.000 And a week or two ago, he stabbed to death a woman, Stephanie Minter, on a bus, which the police had warned he was going to, and the prosecutor ignored it.

00:59:08.000 We can endlessly find cases like this.

00:59:11.000 And look at, throw up 628.

00:59:14.000 This bothers me a lot to see this.

00:59:17.000 I haven't seen this before.

00:59:19.000 And it's an Irina Zarutska mural, 628, if you have it.

00:59:24.000 Please vandalize this.

00:59:26.000 This is a woman who did nothing wrong.

00:59:28.000 She wasn't a public figure.

00:59:30.000 She didn't voice her political opinions online.

00:59:33.000 She didn't go to college campuses to debate college students because Lord knows then you'll get your murals vandalized. 1.00

00:59:40.000 She was just riding a bus and she got stabbed in the neck and she died.

00:59:47.000 And people feel bad about that.

00:59:49.000 And that's radicalizing for so many.

00:59:54.000 And I'm sure for you, Matt, as a sort of newer conservative as well.

00:59:58.000 Well, you would just always expect, and almost everyone I talk to expects that violent criminals are in jail.

01:00:05.000 Almost everyone you talk, if you were to ask someone, is someone who murdered someone in jail for murdering someone?

01:00:11.000 Almost 100% of people would say for sure they're in jail.

01:00:14.000 It's almost as common sense as you would assume everybody has to show an ID to vote.

01:00:18.000 It's kind of one of those ideas.

01:00:19.000 Yes, 100%.

01:00:20.000 And the truth of the matter is, if you go and look at any of the major cities, they are letting violent criminals out at an insanely high rate.

01:00:28.000 Like there is a juvenile in Charlotte that has been arrested 150 times and he's still out.

01:00:37.000 Like he's still committing crimes, like breaking into.

01:00:38.000 150 times.

01:00:39.000 Yes.

01:00:40.000 He's not even 18.

01:00:41.000 Like, you know, it really is nuts.

01:00:44.000 Like the amount of times these people are getting arrested and being let out.

01:00:48.000 And there's, I mean, you can go to my Twitter and scroll.

01:00:50.000 I mean, there's endless amounts of these stories.

01:00:52.000 Well, and you had a really interesting insight.

01:00:55.000 You did some reporting, independent journalism, right?

01:00:58.000 It's kind of like part of your new role, where you uncovered that they were classifying a bunch of non-white criminals as white.

01:01:07.000 What was the point of that?

01:01:08.000 And did you get confirmation that your reporting was accurate?

01:01:11.000 Yeah, it's definitely accurate.

01:01:13.000 Now, it depends on which sheriff's office and a lot of different things.

01:01:19.000 But in Charlotte, at least, there's an option to click the word Hispanic if it's in a Hispanic person.

01:01:29.000 There's an option to click the word white or black.

01:01:32.000 And an insane amount of the time, Hispanic people are classified as white in arrest reports.

01:01:41.000 There was one so egregious that I remember this one very clearly.

01:01:46.000 It was clearly a Hispanic male with black hair.

01:01:50.000 And in the arrest report, it was a white male with blonde hair.

01:01:54.000 And if you didn't have the photo of this person, you'd be like, you know, clearly.

01:01:58.000 So this bothers me greatly because the truth of crime stats matters.

01:02:05.000 And people constantly post the crime stats per race of individuals.

01:02:12.000 And if my assumption is that if you were to go and look at the true crime stats based on actual verified race data that is not biased, the white crime rate would be insanely low. 0.76

01:02:28.000 Like much, much lower.

01:02:30.000 Because these systems that are at the state level feed into the federal level.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 What do you think though?

01:02:35.000 Why are they doing this?

01:02:36.000 Just because more left-wing ideology, they don't want to.

01:02:40.000 It's possible.

01:02:41.000 So I think there's possibly two reasons.

01:02:44.000 One is maybe, and I've been told this by police officers, that the white button is first on whatever system.

01:02:50.000 So if they're trying to do it quickly, it's just, you know, we'll just leave it at that.

01:02:54.000 In other places, the, you know, Hispanic is an ethnicity, technically not a race, but it depends on, again, like the system that you're in.

01:03:03.000 Sometimes there's not even an option for police officers to tap the word Hispanic.

01:03:09.000 So they'll just, they'll just, you know, you have no option.

01:03:11.000 You just have to tap white.

01:03:12.000 Well, I'm looking at one right here.

01:03:14.000 It's Ahmad Jihad Boja. 0.67

01:03:18.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 Race white.

01:03:20.000 Yeah.

01:03:21.000 Clearly not.

01:03:22.000 Okay.

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:24.000 I, and there's so many of these examples.

01:03:27.000 Like, you could just, I mean, you could probably just search the word white on my ex account.

01:03:32.000 And you would see.

01:03:33.000 Yeah, this guy killed three elderly Americans.

01:03:35.000 I remember this story because his name was Jihad.

01:03:37.000 Yeah.

01:03:37.000 He killed him in Florida and he was listed as white.

01:03:40.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 This is a guy with the name Jihad. 0.54

01:03:43.000 Yeah.

01:03:45.000 Classified as white.

01:03:46.000 Yeah.

01:03:46.000 So is there any efforts at the federal level to fix this?

01:03:49.000 There are, yeah.

01:03:50.000 Yeah, I've gotten a phone call from someone at the administration.

01:03:53.000 I don't know whether I'm allowed to say who, but they are working on this.

01:03:56.000 This is something that they're focused on.

01:03:58.000 Because it feels like it would, I mean, the downstream ramifications are massive.

01:04:03.000 You're being lied to.

01:04:05.000 And there is a whole racial agenda.

01:04:07.000 You could say part of this might be inadvertent.

01:04:10.000 There's got to be part of this that is completely intentional.

01:04:14.000 100%.

01:04:14.000 There's no doubt.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, look at all this.

01:04:16.000 I mean, come on.

01:04:16.000 Yeah.

01:04:17.000 It doesn't pass the eye test or the smell test or the whatever, the common sense test.

01:04:21.000 We have some breaking news, folks.

01:04:25.000 I don't want to say that we did it, but maybe we did it.

01:04:30.000 Secretary Chris.

01:04:31.000 Well, Christy Noam is out as Secretary of DHS.

01:04:35.000 Reports are that Senator Mark Wayne Mullen will be replacing her.

01:04:42.000 We have a statement from the president.

01:04:44.000 Let's read it.

01:04:44.000 Let's get it.

01:04:45.000 I'll start reading it.

01:04:45.000 I am pleased to announce that the highly respected United States Senator from the great state of Oklahoma, Mark Wayne Mullen, will become the United States DHS Secretary effective March 31st, 2026.

01:04:58.000 The current Secretary, Christy Noam, who has served us well and has had numerous and spectacular results, especially on the border, will be removing to be special envoy for the Shield of the Americas, our new security initiative in the Western Hemisphere.

01:05:12.000 We are announcing on Saturday in Doral, Florida.

01:05:15.000 I thank Christy for her service at Homeland.

01:05:18.000 And then he has a lot about how great Mark Wayne Mullen is and all of that.

01:05:22.000 But yeah, that's breaking in the last matter of minutes.

01:05:26.000 So we spent a lot of time in hour one talking about some of the controversies that have been swirling around DHS, stuff that we don't want to see because it's too critically important to the mission, to reelection, to the coalition.

01:05:42.000 I'm pleased to see that the president is taking decisive action.

01:05:46.000 And Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is a friend of this show, very, very well respected, understands the base, but he also understands the, let's just say, the intricacies of working with blue states and understands working with senators from blue states, what these negotiations, these high wire acts really entail.

01:06:07.000 We talk about crime in blue cities, the ideologies that run these blue cities.

01:06:14.000 They don't want to enforce crime.

01:06:16.000 So you've got an uphill battle then.

01:06:18.000 We make a lot of noise about the numbers that Barack Obama achieved when he was president about deportations.

01:06:24.000 Well, guess what?

01:06:25.000 Almost 80% of those were transfers at the local prison level, at the local jail level.

01:06:31.000 So that was before the Sanctuary City madness really took root.

01:06:36.000 And that was before all this TDS, anti-Trump sentiment, right?

01:06:40.000 Because this was before Trump.

01:06:41.000 So they would just hand criminal illegal aliens over at the jail level.

01:06:46.000 Why is that important?

01:06:47.000 Way safer.

01:06:49.000 Takes way fewer agents to get those transfers accomplished, and you get them deported immediately.

01:06:55.000 You get violent criminals instead of releasing them back into the streets, you get them out of your country.

01:06:59.000 So that's going to be goal number one for Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is to exert enough effort and force and coercion if you have to, political pressure, to get blue cities to cooperate.

01:07:13.000 Now, the good news here is that Tom Homan has already given us a model for this in Minneapolis.

01:07:18.000 Minneapolis was spiraling out of control.

01:07:20.000 President Trump sent Tom Homan into Minneapolis, got them to heal, and now he's got cooperation from 95% of county jails, local jails, Minneapolis to hand over these detention requests.

01:07:33.000 Blake, got to get you in here.

01:07:35.000 How important is this?

01:07:37.000 What do we make of it?

01:07:38.000 We're going to have to see.

01:07:39.000 So we still have a month before it goes in.

01:07:42.000 That would be a pretty brisk confirmation schedule, I think.

01:07:46.000 But he's in the Senate.

01:07:48.000 I think that would help speed things along.

01:07:49.000 We lose the senator.

01:07:50.000 We lose a senator, but it's Oklahoma.

01:07:52.000 That is a race we're highly unlikely to lose.

01:07:56.000 Well, no blackpilling.

01:07:59.000 Wait, you're telling me.

01:08:00.000 And so I think.

01:08:02.000 That's when you know.

01:08:03.000 I mean, we've had Mark Wayne on the show.

01:08:04.000 I think he's got a good head on his shoulders about this sort of thing.

01:08:07.000 It shows they recognize the fact that he has someone ready to go right away.

01:08:11.000 It shows he recognizes the importance of keeping the heat on because he knows this matters.

01:08:16.000 He knows he needs really aggressive enforcement on border stuff.

01:08:20.000 And he needs to keep delivering wins on that because a lot of people voted for that.

01:08:24.000 And that is a signature issue for him.

01:08:26.000 Well, and I think, as we discussed in the first hour, this happened.

01:08:33.000 You're going to have controversy with ICE.

01:08:35.000 People are going to get mad about a bad photograph.

01:08:38.000 They're going to get mad about some bad confrontation with a protester.

01:08:41.000 They're going to get mad about some arrest that gets made.

01:08:43.000 That is inevitable.

01:08:45.000 The sheer scale of the problem means that's going to happen.

01:08:48.000 And so you can't have avoidable stuff.

01:08:52.000 We should not be debating ad buys at DHS.

01:08:55.000 We should not be debating private jet that they're buying at DHS.

01:09:00.000 Keep it on what needs to be happening: securing the border, getting the wall up, getting the illegals out, getting the arrests made. 0.96

01:09:08.000 That is where the focus needs to be.

01:09:10.000 I have sources at DHS that I've spoken with, and I think on balance, they are in favor of a change being made.

01:09:20.000 And I think I trust them that they have the interests of the department and the interests of the country at heart when they say that.

01:09:26.000 And I, too, have sources in this world.

01:09:29.000 And, you know, let's hope that this is a good thing.

01:09:34.000 And we've got to wait and see.

01:09:35.000 You know, we've got to see what Senator Mark Wayne Mullen does.

01:09:38.000 It sounds like the future secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

01:09:42.000 But I'm curious your perspective here, Matt, as somebody that is newer in this space.

01:09:48.000 You know, your perspective is probably more on the FEMA angle.

01:09:52.000 But what do you make of something like this?

01:09:55.000 Well, I don't have any sources in the administration, but I do think that people, especially on the right, me too, have been frustrated with the slower pace of deportations.

01:10:07.000 It's the number one issue of anyone you talk to is, why are we not deporting more?

01:10:12.000 Why are we not arresting employers?

01:10:14.000 Why are we not targeting people who speak Spanish with ads to self-deport, right? 1.00

01:10:19.000 Like very common sense stuff.

01:10:22.000 Start finding employers that hire illegal aliens. 0.99

01:10:26.000 I feel like there's a lot of things on the table that could be used to ramp up deportations that have not yet been used.

01:10:34.000 And this is exactly what I want to see. 0.93

01:10:38.000 There was a criminal illegal alien who raped a 14-year-old girl right across from my kids' school. 0.97

01:10:45.000 That was last week. 0.57

01:10:47.000 Now, I want to say something because we are losing Secretary Nim.

01:10:51.000 I want to say positively about her.

01:10:53.000 She is a woman who didn't shy away from those controversial aspects of ICE that we mentioned, that they were going into cities.

01:10:59.000 They were making arrests aggressively, even where people were complaining about it.

01:11:05.000 And we have to make sure Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, when he takes that job, we're going to keep the heat on him.

01:11:11.000 He can't back off on things.

01:11:13.000 He can't send any signs of weakness.

01:11:15.000 He has to be ready to trample over blue states, trample over blue cities, lay down the law.

01:11:21.000 That is what the base wants.

01:11:23.000 And the left is going to look for weakness here.

01:11:26.000 They're going to look for excuses to roll things back.

01:11:28.000 If we want to keep the coalition together and we've got all of these forces arrayed against us, you've got to go hard on deportations.

01:11:36.000 You've got to be absolutely firm in your resolve.

01:11:39.000 Now, my advice to the senator, future secretary, sounds like, is do not cower.

01:11:46.000 Do not give an inch, but go behind the headlines.

01:11:49.000 Go get underneath. 0.92

01:11:50.000 Do not look to be the face.

01:11:54.000 Just be quiet.

01:11:56.000 Make it happen.

01:11:57.000 And at the end of the year, post a huge number and blow people away.

01:12:01.000 Make these blue cities heal.

01:12:05.000 We need you to cooperate, frankly.

01:12:07.000 And I think Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is a guy that can get blue cities to cooperate one way or the other.

01:12:12.000 Matt, we weren't expecting this to be our final segment, but candidly, it's a full circle show.

01:12:19.000 So what can we say?

01:12:20.000 A lot happened today.

01:12:22.000 Matt Vancewell, check him out on X. Follow him.

01:12:25.000 A really important new voice.

01:12:26.000 And I think you're going to continue growing and doing great things.

01:12:29.000 Thank you for having me on.

01:12:30.000 Thank you.

01:12:30.000 It's been an honor.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 05, 2026

Iran: The Air War vs. the Airwaves War

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