The Charlie Kirk Show - 'Irreversible Medical Mutilation' — Exposing the Horrors of Trans Surgeries with Libby Emmons

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00:01:40.000 Another issue that I wish Republicans would talk about is the medical mutilation of our children.

00:01:46.000 There is a fringe organization out there, which I believe has ties to the Pritzker family, only because of where it's located and amongst other things.

00:01:55.000 And also, the Pritzkers have a huge trans activist in their family called WPATH, World Professional Association for Transgender Health.

00:02:07.000 And they are recently, they have recently announced that they probably will, at their upcoming conference, change the guidelines of what will be acceptable for breast removal and other just unspeakable medical procedures, surgical procedures, on children.

00:02:28.000 Now, I say it's fringe because it would be considered a fringe group if it wasn't taken so seriously by children's hospitals.

00:02:35.000 Children's hospitals then look at WPATH, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which, by the way, used to be called the World Gender Dysphoria Association, just an interesting side note.

00:02:46.000 They then look at these guidelines, the children's hospitals like Boston's Children or Seattle's Children or Chicago's Children's Hospital.

00:02:53.000 I think it's called Northwestern something.

00:02:55.000 They have a leading children's hospital, Phoenix Children.

00:02:57.000 And then, if the World Professional Association in Transgender Health lowers their standards for the age, they then follow suit.

00:03:06.000 We have an expert here to help us unpack this.

00:03:09.000 Libby Emmons from the wonderful website, The Postmillennial, joins us right now.

00:03:14.000 Libby, welcome back to the program.

00:03:16.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

00:03:17.000 So, Libby, walk us through this story and tell our audience the significance of them changing their guidelines.

00:03:24.000 So, WPATH, World Professional Association for Transgender Health, is coming up with, they have some new guidelines.

00:03:32.000 They are set to release them pretty soon.

00:03:34.000 They're having a big conference up in Montreal the weekend after this one with Dr. Rachel Levine as a keynote speaker.

00:03:43.000 I'm sure that's very exciting for everyone.

00:03:45.000 So, the new standards of care, standards of care eight, will be coming out.

00:03:49.000 And they do, as you say, lower the age guidelines for some of these very invasive gender transitions for kids, medicalized gender transitions for kids.

00:04:04.000 There is a lowering of the recommended age for young girls to get double mastectomies of their healthy breasts in order to make them appear more male.

00:04:14.000 That age goes down to 14.

00:04:17.000 The age for hysterectomies and vaginoplasties goes down to 17.

00:04:24.000 And as you say, yes, children's hospitals across the country, many across the world, use these standards of care that WPATH puts out to guide their practices in performing surgeries and giving these kinds of drugs to kids.

00:04:43.000 Yeah, it's institution-leaning, isn't it?

00:04:46.000 So you have these children's hospitals that they could make whatever decision they want, but they want an excuse because they know they're going to receive backlash.

00:04:55.000 The same way that the Los Angeles County Health Department would lean on the CDC, or they would lean on the FDA, or they would lean on the NAAID to try to say, hey, well, they say it's okay, therefore we can do it.

00:05:14.000 And the same is happening with children's hospitals, where the children's hospitals are effectively now saying, well, WPATH says it's okay to medically mutilate a 15-year-old.

00:05:27.000 And there is this pipeline between hospitals and schools and these organizations.

00:05:33.000 So, Libby, can you just make sure our audience understands this is not like counseling.

00:05:40.000 This is irreversible medical mutilation damage that in any other decent society would be considered torture or abuse of a child.

00:05:52.000 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:05:54.000 The president of WPATH right now is Dr. Marcy Bowers.

00:05:59.000 Bowers is trans as well and did some of the surgeries on Jazz Jennings, who was a reality star who very notably went on puberty blockers so young that by the time Jennings underwent vaginoplasty, there was not actually enough genital material to create the appearance of opposite sex genitals.

00:06:23.000 And there were astounding numbers of complications from that.

00:06:27.000 So Bowers also has come out very publicly and said that children who go on puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones proceeding toward transition will actually never achieve sexual satisfaction, that this is just not something that is climax is not something that is possible for these kids when they go along this path.

00:06:52.000 Bowers still advocates for the medical gender transition of kids and thinks this is a problem that doctors will be able to solve in the future.

00:07:02.000 And right now is guiding these standards and is guiding this for kids.

00:07:08.000 The lack of awareness.

00:07:09.000 And so I go to UNICEF.org, right, which is all about children.

00:07:14.000 And at UNICEF.org, they have an entire thing about female genital mutilation, about how awful and how evil genital mutilation is, right?

00:07:24.000 At UNICEF.org.

00:07:26.000 Female genital mutilation refers to all procedures involving partial or total removal of female external genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.

00:07:38.000 Now, they consider this to be medical, right?

00:07:40.000 But it's not.

00:07:41.000 It's not medical.

00:07:43.000 And then they have an entire thing on UNICEF.org about how all these countries in Kenya and otherwise have genital mutilation, how terrible it is.

00:07:53.000 And what you're trying to tell me is sponsored by our own children's hospitals, that genital mutilation will not just be allowed, but it will be encouraged.

00:08:03.000 And again, it's one thing to think, you know, when you're eight years old, you think you can eat dirt, or if you're 11 years old, you know, you think you can fly.

00:08:10.000 If you're 16 years old, you might think you're a girl.

00:08:12.000 You might think you're a boy.

00:08:14.000 But you, okay, again, I think that it should be obviously immediately intervened.

00:08:18.000 And sanity should be restored if a 16-year-old thinks they're a different gender or sex than they are, of which gender and sex are related. 0.91

00:08:24.000 But it's a totally different leap, isn't it, Libby?

00:08:26.000 Where it's like, oh, and by the way, we're going to put you under general anesthesia for a multi-hour surgery. 0.99

00:08:32.000 We're going to be paid our full hourly surgical rate to destroy your body.

00:08:37.000 Why is there not more outrage about this?

00:08:40.000 You know, I think that there's not more outrage for a couple of reasons.

00:08:44.000 One, I think when you approach people and you let them know that this is what's going on, they are incredulous because it is absolutely insane.

00:08:52.000 So when I talk to friends of mine who are liberal and I say this is going on, they say things like, no, that's not going on because it's just so absolutely insane and they don't want to look at it.

00:09:02.000 Another reason that it's another reason that it's kind of swept under the rug is that mainstream media also does that same thing.

00:09:10.000 And they say this isn't really happening.

00:09:12.000 So when we see that it's exposed, when we see Boston Children's Hospital using promotional videos to explain that vaginoplasties on 17-year-old boys is a perfectly great and affirming, wonderful thing to do.

00:09:26.000 And we expose that and we write about it and we say, hey, everybody, this is going on.

00:09:32.000 What do you think?

00:09:33.000 Media comes out and says, you're targeting hospitals.

00:09:36.000 You're being hateful.

00:09:37.000 We have to suppress.

00:09:40.000 Right.

00:09:41.000 And then the hospitals take down their videos.

00:09:44.000 These videos are all over the place.

00:09:46.000 They're out there.

00:09:47.000 They've been recorded.

00:09:48.000 Chris Elston has recorded a bunch of them.

00:09:52.000 Christina Buttons, writing for us, wrote about the Boston Children's Hospital situation.

00:09:56.000 Libs of TikTok goes out there and calls National Children's Hospital in D.C. and says, Hey, would you perform a hysterectomy on my 16-year-old?

00:10:04.000 And the next thing you know, she's banned on Twitter.

00:10:07.000 And the Washington Post says she's targeting national. 0.95

00:10:10.000 National says, hey, those employees don't know what they're talking about.

00:10:14.000 But, you know, they scrub their websites, these hospitals.

00:10:18.000 And the next thing you know, nobody knows about it.

00:10:20.000 Insurance companies are being encouraged to cover this by the Department of Health and Human Services, which of course has assistant secretary Rachel Levine, who is speaking at the WPAC conference when they advocate for these new standards of care.

00:10:36.000 One fun thing to note in the new standards of care, there is a new gender identity being launched, that of UNICEF.

00:10:44.000 Unich is now going to be a gender identity. 0.97

00:10:48.000 And in the section where they talk about Unix as a gender identity, yeah, get this. 0.80

00:10:55.000 They link to websites that fetishize castration and have graphic discussions about forcible castration and rape of children.

00:11:08.000 I mean, we say we're going back to the medieval times at times.

00:11:10.000 We're literally going back, not just that, we're going back to the going back to the Ottoman Empire where eunuchs used to, it was required, I think, for service to the king to actually have your parts removed. 0.69

00:11:22.000 There was something like that.

00:11:23.000 Connor, you could look up service to the queen, I think.

00:11:25.000 Oh, yeah, okay, there you go.

00:11:26.000 Service to the crown or something.

00:11:27.000 It was something like that.

00:11:29.000 It makes me numb, this whole thing.

00:11:30.000 And now we now have Unix being celebrated.

00:11:34.000 Libby, can you talk about how Pfizer and these major companies stand to make billions off of children that are being preyed on by weak parents and these predatory doctors and institutions?

00:11:47.000 Talk about Lupron.

00:11:49.000 Yeah, so Lupron is manufactured by a company called AbV.

00:11:53.000 And AbV recommends Lupron for precocious puberty, endometriosis, as well as prostate cancer, which is what I believe it was developed to treat.

00:12:04.000 They say that it should only be used for three months.

00:12:08.000 The FDA also doesn't recommend this for gender dysphoria.

00:12:12.000 However, the drug between 2020 and 2021, I believe, increased in sales by some $30 million.

00:12:21.000 And Lupron does sell for this purpose.

00:12:24.000 It is the main puberty blocker that I believe is used in the U.S., although there are others.

00:12:31.000 So ABVI does stand to make a lot of money from this.

00:12:34.000 It was interesting because you were on Laura Ingram Ingram's show the other night talking about this.

00:12:40.000 And I was watching your segment.

00:12:42.000 And as I was watching, there was an advertisement for AbVee Pharmaceuticals.

00:12:47.000 And I thought, now, isn't that interesting that they're on TV right now talking about how dangerous this is.

00:12:54.000 And here's this company buying Ad Time with Fox to talk about how amazing their products are that are actually harming children.

00:13:02.000 The FDA recently came out and said that Lupron puberty blockers can create really big problems in kids, not even as regards gender, but vision loss, brain swelling, bone loss.

00:13:17.000 There's all of these kinds of issues with this stuff.

00:13:21.000 I also think it's really interesting to note that Finland two years ago said that there should not be any medical gender transition under 25.

00:13:32.000 They reversed a lot of the standards.

00:13:34.000 They stopped following WPATH entirely.

00:13:37.000 Sweden also has pulled back and said that there should not be any gender transition of kids under 18.

00:13:46.000 One of the professors who dealt with that in Sweden said that gender reassignment of children is a big experiment.

00:13:55.000 And that's coming from nations that typically people in the U.S. tend to look up to for their standards of care.

00:14:03.000 Not for things regarding COVID immigration or gender issues.

00:14:08.000 Okay, I want to play a piece of tape here.

00:14:09.000 It's CUT 97.

00:14:10.000 It's Lurie Children's Hospital in Chicago, the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago.

00:14:18.000 I actually think I received care there as a kid for something else.

00:14:22.000 I think I got an endoscopy or something there.

00:14:24.000 Nothing life-threatening.

00:14:25.000 Definitely not for the gender development program.

00:14:27.000 And it's important to note, these gender development programs are not a majority of what these hospitals do, but it's a growing kind of department here.

00:14:34.000 This is an advertisement that the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago runs, PlayCut 97.

00:14:42.000 Without the gender program, I would not be nearly as happy as I am now. 1.00

00:14:47.000 Gender program has meant the world to me because it basically gave me the chance to start my life.

00:14:52.000 I'm a senior in high school, and I'm, quite frankly, the happiest I've ever been.

00:14:57.000 I'm so far in my transition, and things are going so well.

00:15:00.000 And I feel like I can really move on with my life and become an adult.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, but Libby, they actually become clients of the pharmaceutical industrial complex.

00:15:10.000 They have lifelong issues because of this.

00:15:12.000 And psychologically, the data actually shows they're far from free from mental terror.

00:15:18.000 They might have a short reprieve, but then it gets almost worse after five or 10 years.

00:15:22.000 Your thoughts, Libby?

00:15:23.000 Yeah.

00:15:23.000 So if you're a young woman and you go on testosterone, you're going to experience really big increases in confidence and feelings that, you know, feeling good in the world, that's something testosterone does, as many men I'm sure can attest to.

00:15:40.000 So yeah, no wonder you're feeling great.

00:15:42.000 Testosterone probably feels amazing, but it's not going to feel great when it turns out you're in your 20s or 30s.

00:15:49.000 You can't have kids and you can't really experience intimacy and your body has been permanently butchered.

00:15:54.000 You are now a lifelong medical patient.

00:15:57.000 You will be involved in the medical industry until you die.

00:16:03.000 Even detransitioning brings with it a lot of medical needs because you have all of these irreversible conditions as you know, as we've seen.

00:16:14.000 And Lurie is not the only children's hospital that is promoting this.

00:16:18.000 We have a doctor in California, in LA, Dr. Joanna Olson Kennedy, who actually treated the child of one of the ABC executives who then came out against DeSantis's parental rights and education bill after having had this personal experience with Olson Kennedy in LA.

00:16:38.000 And Olson Kennedy is very interested in lowering the ages for puberty blockers so that kids don't have to go through what she calls wrong puberty.

00:16:50.000 This is a doctor.

00:16:51.000 This is a medical professional claiming that the natural process of growing up is wrong.

00:16:57.000 Libby Evans from the Postmillennial.

00:16:58.000 Thank you so much, Libby.

00:16:59.000 Great commentary as always.

00:17:00.000 Thanks. 0.91

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00:18:13.000 I'm sure this is going to be major breaking news.

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00:20:03.000 Okay, as always, you can email us freedom at charliekirk.com and subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

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00:20:16.000 But I want to join, I want to welcome the program right now.

00:20:18.000 Joining us is Professor Wax from University of Pennsylvania, who is under attack in many different directions right now.

00:20:25.000 And we have her back.

00:20:26.000 She's terrific.

00:20:27.000 Professor, welcome to the program.

00:20:30.000 Thank you for having me.

00:20:31.000 Tell our audience about yourself and then talk about kind of your current fight against University of Pennsylvania right now.

00:20:40.000 Okay, well, I am a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School.

00:20:44.000 I've been there since 2001.

00:20:47.000 Before that, I taught at the University of Virginia Law School.

00:20:51.000 And before that, I was part of the Reagan and Bush justice departments.

00:20:56.000 I teach litigation-related subjects because I was an appellate litigator.

00:21:02.000 I also teach a course on conservative political and legal thought.

00:21:06.000 And I've also taught courses on labor law, on welfare law, and various other topics.

00:21:12.000 So I'm a long-standing law professor.

00:21:16.000 Yes, I am under attack by my school.

00:21:20.000 That's been going on for a number of years.

00:21:23.000 And the reason, I think, is that I am one of the few openly conservative, right-of-center Ivy League law professors left standing.

00:21:35.000 You only have to read the newspaper to know that law professors in the elite schools, anyway, but really all up and down scale, are overwhelmingly left-wing.

00:21:48.000 They are Democrats, and now they are far left-wing.

00:21:52.000 They are what we might call woke and progressive.

00:21:56.000 And pretty much that philosophy has taken over our law schools and influenced what our law students are taught.

00:22:06.000 How did I get into trouble?

00:22:09.000 Well, back in 2017, I co-wrote a very innocuous op-ed in my local paper praising bourgeois values and saying that we could learn a lot from the 1950s and the way things were done back then,

00:22:25.000 adding that not all cultures are equal and some are better than others, which is a sentiment or an idea that is pretty mainstream out there in the real world, but in academia, it's considered outrageous.

00:22:41.000 Then the trolling started, and someone noticed that I had dared to discuss affirmative action with Glenn Lowry on his Glen Schlope show Blogging Heads and had commented that in my experience, black students who benefit from affirmative action don't perform academically on average as well as white students, something that's been documented a number of times.

00:23:09.000 That created a firestorm.

00:23:12.000 I went to a national conservatism convention and I suggested that we ought to confine immigration to people from countries that were more culturally similar to ours.

00:23:24.000 And this was picked up as I wanted whites to come to America and not non-whites, which is a complete misrepresentation of what I said.

00:23:34.000 I will not go on and on with the details.

00:23:36.000 I will only tell you that my every word has been monitored and the school has been preparing a brief of evidence against me as someone who shouldn't be teaching at Pen Law.

00:23:51.000 Why?

00:23:52.000 Because I have unapproved opinions.

00:23:55.000 I have the wrong points of view.

00:23:59.000 We have gotten to a point in academia today and in legal academia specifically, where people who could call themselves conservatives or Republicans or right of center are no longer wanted in academia.

00:24:18.000 There is a movement afoot to exclude them, to get rid of them, and to consolidate the woke takeover of the academic sphere of our universities.

00:24:31.000 And the attempt to fire me, the complaints that have been filed against me, and my dean's effort to seek major sanctions against me, that includes firing me, canceling me, is just a small part of that overall effort.

00:24:48.000 So I am just exhibit A of what is going on, and my case is now ongoing.

00:24:56.000 Well, what you just articulated, and we could go through the details, we don't need to.

00:25:00.000 You've said some very mainstream opinions.

00:25:02.000 I mean, talking about immigration changes and talking about Western civilization being a culture that is ideal to, I don't know, that of North Korea's or the current state of Iran is, like you said, mainstream opinion in anywhere but an Ivy League institution.

00:25:18.000 What I find fascinating, though, but it definitely is consistent, is how they need to focus on the one conservative voice, that they're making it a passion project to eliminate the single heterodox person at University of Pennsylvania.

00:25:35.000 Why do you think that is?

00:25:37.000 Well, my students who are insightful and they know what's going on, they say, aha, this is the warning to others, as the French say.

00:25:48.000 This sends the signal and the message, and they get the message loud and clear that if you express these sorts of views, if you even explore these ideas in any way,

00:26:03.000 we're not necessarily signing on to them, but just talking about them, debating them, going back and forth about them as real people in the real world do in living rooms and private spaces all over the country, that they will bring charges against you.

00:26:23.000 They will make your life miserable.

00:26:25.000 They will bring penalties down on your head.

00:26:27.000 You will be in trouble.

00:26:28.000 You put yourself at risk. 0.91

00:26:30.000 So, the message, the broader message that they get from going after one person like me is to say to everyone in the university community, shut up.

00:26:43.000 And what you said, I think, is very true.

00:26:46.000 There are tens of millions of people out there who don't haven't drunk the Kool-Aid, don't subscribe to the narrow range of stylized opinions and views that are acceptable on campus, a kind of woke catechism, who question it.

00:27:07.000 And they are essentially being squeezed out.

00:27:11.000 They're being squeezed out by direct action, as with me, but the more subtle ways they're being excluded is just not being allowed to enter in the first place.

00:27:23.000 So they're screened at the admissions level.

00:27:25.000 They're screened at the level of getting grants, of getting promotions, all of the sort of ways in which the university regulates itself are now being brought to bear to screen out the kind of people that they don't want.

00:27:43.000 And as a result, the universities are getting more and more left.

00:27:48.000 Now, you might say, who cares?

00:27:50.000 But I'll tell you why we should care because what it does is it creates an atmosphere of educational malpractice.

00:27:58.000 I have had students regularly tell me, students who take, let's say, my course in conservative thought, these are ideas that we are not even aware of.

00:28:08.000 We have never been exposed to.

00:28:10.000 They have been systematically wrung out of our prior education.

00:28:16.000 Some law students say, you wouldn't believe how one-sided our education has been.

00:28:23.000 Classic conservative arguments and classic conservative works are either just ignored or they are sneeringly dismissed as not worthy of attention.

00:28:36.000 So students are being primed and they are being groomed, shall we say, to be social justice warriors and lefties.

00:28:47.000 And I don't think that is good preparation for citizenship.

00:28:52.000 It's certainly not good preparation for being a lawyer in an adversary system, which is the system we still have, where lawyers have to deal with and hear and understand and counter arguments and positions that they don't agree with and that they find offensive or upsetting, right?

00:29:17.000 We all have to confront and deal with arguments that we find upsetting.

00:29:23.000 And that's precisely what we're doing.

00:29:24.000 This is so important.

00:29:25.000 I mean, we want to protect them from.

00:29:27.000 Yes.

00:29:28.000 This is the takeaway point.

00:29:30.000 University of Pennsylvania is one of the best schools on the planet.

00:29:34.000 This is not someone saying at some, you know, let's just say easy to get into school.

00:29:39.000 Oh, yeah, I never heard anything.

00:29:40.000 These are people that will be staffing the FBI and the CIA.

00:29:44.000 These are people that are going to be staffing the highest levels of power in our society that have said, I've never heard the other side of the story.

00:29:52.000 So your fight is incredibly important here.

00:29:55.000 Please don't back down.

00:29:56.000 Just for no other reason than it's out of principle, because you just can't let these bad guys win.

00:30:01.000 It's just awful.

00:30:02.000 I want to make sure we get to this.

00:30:03.000 How can people support you and help you?

00:30:06.000 Well, money is the currency of the realm, as you can imagine.

00:30:12.000 I have a fantasy that I would wake up tomorrow morning and no one would give a penny more to the Ives.

00:30:21.000 Right now, the alumni and various foundations are just pouring money in their direction, and they're already fabulously wealthy, so they don't even need it.

00:30:30.000 And as long as that happens, they are oblivious to criticism or to any sort of voice from the outside.

00:30:40.000 So it's really important for alumni to stop giving, for the foundations to stop giving, and direct your money elsewhere.

00:30:47.000 The second is speak up.

00:30:49.000 Obviously, people are afraid to speak up because they're punished for going up against wokeness or saying anything that doesn't please the elite upper classes.

00:31:00.000 So that's hard.

00:31:02.000 But I think people need to muster some courage and write the presidents of these universities, write the deans, let their views be known.

00:31:15.000 Also, defend the people like me who are being attacked, who they're trying to squeeze out.

00:31:20.000 You said earlier, you know, don't quit.

00:31:22.000 I hope you won't quit.

00:31:24.000 But of course, you know, all the incentives are lined up for quitting.

00:31:28.000 Oh, no, of course.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you have people are back channeling for Hillsdale or some school.

00:31:33.000 Like, hey, you could go or whatever, just any non-woke place.

00:31:37.000 And you say, you know, enough with this.

00:31:39.000 I'll go somewhere where I don't have to live in, you know, I don't have to live in East Germany.

00:31:44.000 Well, right.

00:31:45.000 And I mean, a lot of people do quit.

00:31:47.000 And I don't really blame them.

00:31:48.000 Many of them have young families and they need to get on with their life.

00:31:54.000 And when you're shunned and denounced and labeled and pulled all of these names, it's very, very bruising.

00:32:03.000 So you really are very hard to stay the course.

00:32:06.000 I am determined to do it.

00:32:08.000 I'm in a good position to do it because I'm older.

00:32:10.000 I'm nearing the end of my career.

00:32:12.000 I have a very supportive family.

00:32:14.000 I'm financially relatively secure.

00:32:18.000 But for other people, it's not so easy, right?

00:32:22.000 Also, it's expensive.

00:32:24.000 These schools have deep pockets.

00:32:27.000 They can afford to litigate and oppose you.

00:32:31.000 And so contributing money really does help.

00:32:34.000 And I do have a GoFundMe.

00:32:36.000 People have been very generous.

00:32:38.000 It has really helped.

00:32:39.000 It has really made the difference.

00:32:41.000 I am fighting.

00:32:43.000 I'm just at the beginning of the fight and I don't plan to quit.

00:32:47.000 So that's very, very important.

00:32:49.000 So money, stop giving, speak up, contribute to these people who are under attack and under siege.

00:32:59.000 In terms of your kids, that's a tough one, right?

00:33:02.000 Because as you say, these elite schools are the entree into the upper middle class.

00:33:08.000 That's exactly.

00:33:08.000 Well, yes, as it currently is.

00:33:10.000 You're right, with some exceptions.

00:33:11.000 But yes, you're right.

00:33:12.000 They are the gatekeepers.

00:33:13.000 They are the gatekeepers.

00:33:14.000 That's exactly right.

00:33:15.000 That's well put.

00:33:15.000 And so parents say, hey, you know, if my kid can get to Brown, maybe it's worth it.

00:33:20.000 And then they get completely 180 on values and worldview and philosophy.

00:33:26.000 And next thing you know, it's the exact opposite.

00:33:28.000 I mean, just really quick.

00:33:29.000 So how do people get to your GoFundMe?

00:33:32.000 It's the Amy Wax Legal Defense Fund.

00:33:36.000 It'll pop right up.

00:33:37.000 I see it here.

00:33:38.000 You can also contribute.

00:33:39.000 The Palm Beach Freedom Institute, which is a great organization, also has a dedicated fund for me.

00:33:46.000 You can send money to the Palm Beach Freedom Institute with a note, Amy Wax Defense Fund.

00:33:52.000 The address is 249 Royal Palm Way, Sweet 301.

00:33:58.000 That's a good address.

00:33:59.000 I know where that is.

00:34:01.000 And the zip is 33480 attention, Robert Allen.

00:34:05.000 Or you can just email me.

00:34:07.000 It's the easiest thing in the world to find my email address at Penn Law, and I will give you the address if you didn't quite catch it.

00:34:15.000 So there are a number of ways to contribute to my fund.

00:34:19.000 But, you know, once again, this is very difficult.

00:34:23.000 I think talk to your kids, realize, and I think this is something that is going to be happening in the future, that the IVs are, their brand is being debased.

00:34:35.000 They are diluting their brand.

00:34:37.000 That's right.

00:34:37.000 Okay.

00:34:38.000 Because there is a wholesale attack on the meritocracy going on in our society right now.

00:34:44.000 There's a big affirmative action case before the Supreme Court.

00:34:48.000 If Harvard and UNC, the two schools involved, lose that case, I think what they're going to end up doing is getting rid of the SATs, getting rid of measures of academic excellence and ability in order to get around this raceblind mandate, which is that we should have. 0.59

00:35:09.000 And I don't think these schools in the long run are going to be the great beacons of excellence that they think they are.

00:35:17.000 But, you know, and there are other great schools too, like Hillsdale.

00:35:22.000 So look into those.

00:35:23.000 There's no magic solution, but I think there are things people can do.

00:35:27.000 Well said, Professor.

00:35:29.000 Thank you.

00:35:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:31.000 Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:34.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:35:35.000 God bless.

00:35:38.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

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