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00:03:48.000Well, Charlie, at present, he is back at Open AI.
00:03:52.000It appears that the board who ousted him is being replaced by a new set of experts, including Larry Summers, incidentally.
00:04:01.000Altman has long been the sort of face of AI.
00:04:08.000And it really, when you saw the release of GPT about this time last year, he became, in a sense, the voice of AI and especially AGI.
00:04:20.000Altman tends towards what's called accelerationism, just the idea that these technologies should be pushed forward as fast as possible, whatever the costs.
00:04:32.000On the other side of it, members of the board, such as Helen Toner or Adam D'Angelo, they tend much more towards the effective altruist sort of perspective or rationalists.
00:04:45.000On that end, they also want to see the development of AGI, artificial general intelligence or artificial godlike intelligence.
00:04:56.000The real difference is how fast you get there and what risks you're willing to accept to have an AI that they believe will be superior to human beings in pretty much every way and will ultimately replace every intellectual job and even as robotics increase, every blue-collar job.
00:05:16.000So when do they think that will be developed?
00:05:21.000And I mean, are there any sort of guardrails on the development of this?
00:05:25.000Some people even claim it's impossible.
00:05:30.000You know, it ranges, and I am not going to predict whether or not they will even create AGI or whether they'll do it in the timelines they're talking about.
00:05:41.000But I will say that I do believe that the AGI projects that we're seeing right now have been built up by such a high degree of hype that it's very likely that something like an AGI will be developed and billed as an AGI.
00:05:58.000What's really surprised me, Charlie, is how many people that were also fairly skeptical are now talking about timelines of five to seven years for the creation of AGI.
00:06:11.000That includes Elon Musk, also Sam Altman.
00:06:15.000And they really, I think, whether they truly believe it or whether it's a sales pitch, what they're doing is cultivating a mindset in the public consciousness that is going to be much more amenable to the existence of AGI, or at the very least, is going to be much more likely to accept the possibility of its existence.
00:06:36.000What that means is that you will have tech corporations in possession of a technology that they will say is justifiably superior to human beings and therefore should be the source of authority for questions ranging from medicine to military strategy and even the proper upbringing of children.
00:06:57.000Do you think the government should regulate this?
00:07:00.000I do believe the government should regulate it.
00:07:02.000How much effect that would actually have, again, I'm very doubtful.
00:07:06.000One of the real issues you have, let's say that the government puts stringent regulations in place.
00:07:12.000Let's say that the government were to take the advice of the people who wrote the open letter coming out of the Future of Life Institute, in which they argued that no AI should be created above the level of GPT-4.
00:07:27.000What you would see almost immediately are the tech corporations in America working on this that ranges from Microsoft with OpenAI, Google with DeepMind, Amazon and Microsoft both with Anthropic, and then a former DeepMind co-founder who founded Inflection AI, on and on.
00:07:46.000These corporations will simply move overseas.
00:07:51.000And you would also probably see technology transfers to countries like China, perhaps India, certainly different nations in Europe, including the UK or Germany, so on and so forth.
00:08:04.000And so it's really a matter of these AI projects are best thought of sort of like Mycelia.
00:08:10.000And what you see in Silicon Valley is the mushroom.
00:08:12.000You could destroy all of those mushrooms in Silicon Valley.
00:08:16.000They will start popping up all over the world.
00:08:20.000So the kind of understand the flow of capital here is incredible.
00:08:24.000I mean, OpenAI is the fastest growing tech company ever.
00:08:55.000This is, as I argue in my book and have argued for years on the war room, this is a techno-religion.
00:09:01.000And so to take a more Luddite position or even really cautious position would be tantamount to a sort of blasphemy to them.
00:09:10.000They see this as the ultimate realization of human endeavor.
00:09:14.000They believe it will be the kind of culmination or even the justification for human existence.
00:09:20.000They think that these AI programs will eventually lead to such extended lifespans that people are basically immortal.
00:09:28.000There will be radical abundance, no want whatsoever.
00:09:31.000And of course, Elon Musk is the spearhead of this.
00:09:35.000They believe that AI will enable humans to colonize the solar system and the galaxy, or perhaps the more the darker scenario, that the machines themselves are our successors, our sort of mind children, and that they will, in fact, carry the torch of life and consciousness and reason forward.
00:09:54.000So as long as this techno-religion persists, and I believe it will, as long as there are technologies that some humans believe are worthy of worship, it will guide the development of these technologies.
00:10:07.000It will guide the deployment of these technologies.
00:10:11.000And more and more so, as I mentioned earlier, more and more so, you see it seeping into the public consciousness.
00:10:16.000You could think of that as sort of the Orthodox church or the exoteric church that reflects the esoteric interests of those in Silicon Valley and elsewhere.
00:10:27.000Yeah, I mean, there's a whole political angle that we'll explore.
00:10:30.000This is a way that they'll be able to impose wokeism because somebody has to write the core programming.
00:10:48.000Yeah, so Microsoft invested $10 billion in OpenAI.
00:10:52.000They have access to their weights, meaning that Microsoft, in effect, now owns the technologies being developed at OpenAI.
00:11:01.000OpenAI came on the map with DALI, the AI art generator, and also then, of course, ChatGPT.
00:11:10.000I think it was like 100 million subscribers almost immediately, just completely unprecedented.
00:11:17.000And Microsoft, you can just think of them really as the corporate arm of what is ultimately an ideological organization.
00:11:26.000Open AI was founded with Elon Musk and Ilya Sutzkovar, of course, Sam Altman there.
00:11:32.000And then the ideas that they were working with were somewhere between accelerationism and effective altruism.
00:11:40.000But all of them wanted to see the creation of this AGI.
00:11:46.000Microsoft, I think they're probably more interested in profit, but when you have a product like OpenAI is billing a machine that can think like a human or a machine that will eventually think better than a human, you can see where their interests lie.
00:12:01.000It was those, though, on the effective altruist end of the spectrum at OpenAI that have really been digging their heels in.
00:12:08.000Of course, that led to the ouster of Sam Altman for just a few days.
00:12:12.000Microsoft said they would take Sam Altman on.
00:12:15.000700 of the 770 employees at Open AI said they would go with him.
00:12:20.000So you can see really where the weight of interest is in the organizations as a whole.
00:12:25.000Yeah, I mean, I feel incredible darkness around this entire thing.
00:12:29.000This, you know, they say, oh, we're going to solve all the world's problems.
00:12:32.000I really haven't met anybody who's excited about this unless you're a very creepy person, honestly.
00:12:37.000Like if you're creepy and weird and wear a spacesuit, you get excited about this.
00:12:42.000I get almost nothing but just really, really dark vibes around this.
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00:14:26.000There is a chance that some of this is more bluster than rooted in reality, meaning that their Star Trek world they want to create is not exactly seamless.
00:14:40.000Is there a chance based on what you've seen that AI becomes a glorified parlor trick and some of this kind of vaporizes?
00:14:49.000And for example, there has been self-driving cars is a good example.
00:14:53.000By 2018, we were supposed to have nothing but self-driving cars.
00:14:56.000They're still rare, actually, right now, for a lot of different reasons.
00:15:22.000You have the promotion of these things, the hype around them, and then you have the actual product.
00:15:28.000Oftentimes, almost all the time, the hype outstrips the actual capabilities of the product.
00:15:36.000What really stunned everybody about ChatGPT, of course, it has been ridiculed for all sorts of good reasons.
00:15:42.000But the fact remains that there was never a system like this before.
00:15:46.000This was a dream that was finally coming to realization.
00:15:50.000The very first chatbot was developed in the 60s, and it basically stayed at that level until roughly 10 or so years ago, and then just really exploded with the development of transformers and the use of transformers by open AI.
00:16:05.000So, what this means is you're never to take what they're saying at face value.
00:16:10.000But I think that to simply dismiss everything as just hype is to miss the actual power of these technologies.
00:16:20.000They have certainly lagged behind the promises of Elon Musk or Google, but the self-driving cars as they exist right now are really excellent.
00:16:30.000They're not perfect, but statistically, they're in fact safer than human drivers.
00:16:35.000It's a very, very small sample compared to a very large sample, but it's still the fact is that these systems do work.
00:16:44.000The real barrier is that human beings don't want to crash because a robot screwed up.
00:16:49.000And there aren't really any ethical norms in place for what happens if a robot runs a child over, for instance.
00:16:55.000So as we're moving forward into this period, as we're moving into an era in which these tech corporations consolidate more and more power over our politics, over our economies, and most importantly, over the public's consciousness, over our minds, you have to move into it with real skepticism.
00:17:15.000But again, it would be a real mistake to simply dismiss it all.
00:17:29.000In order to get AI at scale, I'd imagine it's going to require a ton of energy, maybe building entire hydroelectric dams or nuclear power plants.
00:17:41.000There's a wonderful book by Lefty, and it's very PC, but it's very based as far as energy goes, Kate Crawford's The Atlas of AI.
00:17:52.000But one of the things that she really emphasizes is for all of their talk of green economies and green energy, AI companies such as Microsoft, Google, so on, they use up enormous amounts of energy in their data centers and their server farms.
00:18:08.000Right now, Microsoft is working on linking their data centers to small nuclear power plants.
00:18:16.000So it's going to be extremely energy intensive.
00:18:18.000And I think the real takeaway from that is that when people like Apple or people like Google come off with these platitudes about green energy, they are among the largest carbon footprints on the planet.
00:18:50.000Number two, I think that really, for those who are already rooted in a traditional view of the universe, the specter of an AI God shouldn't really threaten their deepest core beliefs.
00:19:04.000Now, on the other hand, when one thinks about, for instance, the second beast creating an image of the first beast in Revelation, which can speak and to which all people on the earth should kneel, it does perhaps fit into a traditionalist perspective in a very sinister way.
00:19:26.000But one way or the other, I think that the real thing that people have to do is decide where their boundaries are, and they will be called to defend them strenuously, just as we are with mass immigration, just as we are with the sexual revolution.
00:21:54.000I sent a text immediately in the morning to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, C.Q. Brown, who is a former chief of staff of the Air Force.
00:22:02.000And then I had a pretty lengthy telephone conversation with the Chief of Staff at the Air Force, General David Alden, yesterday, as well as a lot of staff back and forth.
00:22:12.000And what I learned was that, you know, what I learned was somewhat comforting, but not adequate.
00:22:19.000And what I learned was that one person listening to a radio ad or reference to the event took it upon themselves to send out this little alarm message, if you will, to a number of the sergeants in the Security Forces squadron at the Minota Air Force Base.
00:22:39.000And so that people understand, Minnett Air Force Base is the only Air Force base in the world that has two of the three legs of the United States military's nuclear triad.
00:22:48.000They have bombers with nuclear weapons and they have ground-based missiles, the Minuteman missiles.
00:22:55.000And then they store over half of the United States nuclear weapon system.
00:23:02.000And so the security squadron, security force squadron is very important.
00:23:07.000Somewhere along the line with all of these now sergeants and others having this memo or this text message, somebody determined that it was intended to be A security threat message, and they forwarded it out to all of the personnel on the base.
00:23:26.000Obviously, with misinformation, obviously, you know, turning point is not a threat to the military.
00:23:31.000If anything, they're the most supportive group of the military have in Mina.
00:23:35.000So, anyway, here's what concerned me: that it could happen at all, Charlie concerns me.
00:23:39.000That anybody could mistake your rally in Mina, North Dakota for something that could lead to a confrontation or that somebody could actually be thrown out of the Air Force if they attended.
00:23:51.000Bad messages, all wrong, you know, and then that there's not a better filter.
00:23:57.000But the response wasn't great and still isn't great because I don't know if you noticed, but we did because we're keeping close track of it.
00:24:03.000They did not correct their website or their Facebook page till yesterday afternoon, four days after the event.
00:24:12.000And so, they were dealing with the internal issue perhaps by sending the correction.
00:24:17.000They claim they sent a corrected message, rescinding the original one within 52 minutes of the first one going out.
00:24:27.000Somebody no doubt said, Ah, you might want to take another look at this, and they rescinded it and sent out a new message.
00:24:33.000But they didn't inform the public of any of this until, well, really, until it became known to you and a whole bunch of other people yesterday.
00:24:43.000Senator, thank you for addressing that.
00:24:45.000And I do think we have to get answers from the top level of whether or not there's some sort of policy of conservative groups that are not welcome.
00:24:54.000What concerned us, Senator, is they said that you might be discharged.
00:24:59.000I'm paraphrasing, but your service might be put in jeopardy if you indeed attended the rally.
00:25:04.000And, Senator, I think this is what's troubling a lot of our audience, and thank you for addressing it, is that this seems to be a pattern that we're seeing at certain elements of the military.
00:25:14.000Our military is the best on the planet with amazing people, but it does seem to be a disturbing pattern of, for example, you know, just the other day we've learned that over $100 million was spent on diversity, equity, and inclusion programming from the Pentagon.
00:25:31.000Senator, can you speak to this pattern that we are seeing?
00:25:36.000And whistleblowers are coming out to say as soon as Joe Biden came over, the military has taken a rather radical turn.
00:26:01.000But when I addressed the drift, what I called a left word drift, and I, because by the way, if this same scenario was carried out regarding a rally put on by Black Lives Matter, I suspect that person that did it would be fired by now.
00:26:21.000I think we have to always remember while we have the best military in the world, an all-volunteer force, only a patriot would sign up to do it, in my mind.
00:26:30.000We have this other wonderful exceptionalism that was given to us by our founders, and that is that our military is not led by generals, but rather it is led by civilians.
00:26:40.000And I think your point that since Joe Biden became commander-in-chief, that we've seen this drift to the left is because Joe Biden is commander-in-chief.
00:26:47.000When the commander-in-chief of Joe Biden, Jake Sullivan is the National Security Advisor, Lloyd Austin is the Secretary of Defense, you're going to have a different political bent.
00:26:55.000My problem with it is that it's infiltrated quickly.
00:27:00.000It's given a green light to people on the left within the military.
00:27:04.000It's shedding a bad light on our military, and we have to stop it now because, as you know, they have a problem recruiting people into our services.
00:27:12.000And this isn't going to help it any because what we want is we want people that listen to Charlie Kirk to sign up for the military.
00:27:20.000We want people who love America, who love God, who love freedom, and who will die.
00:27:25.000And, you know, they should, in fact, in my mind, I think we should encourage our military men and women to be active in politics.
00:28:02.000It's become hostile to anyone that shares traditional values.
00:28:06.000But what do they tell you is the reason why we're so struggling to get recruits?
00:28:13.000Some of what they tell me, and again, some of it's legitimate, I think, and that is that we have a workforce shortage in pretty much every industry in America.
00:28:20.000And so they are competing with much higher pay and much more, you know, many benefits, better benefits in the private sector.
00:28:30.000We know that to be true in North Dakota.
00:28:31.000When the oil workers are making a lot more money driving trucks than they can, you know, driving tanks, obviously it's harder to recruit them.
00:28:42.000But at the same time, we should be making it more appealing for people to want to join our military as opposed to less appealing.
00:28:49.000And I think this leftward drift really does have an impact because the people most inclined to put their life on the line for freedom are people that they seem to look at as though they're second-class citizens.
00:29:01.000And so I think that is a contributing factor.
00:29:04.000Yeah, and the Air Force especially used to be long immune from recruiting challenges and it's just missed its goal for the first time in decades.
00:29:11.000The Marines, it goes up and down, but the Air Force typically year after year hit its goals and hit its goals.
00:29:18.000And, you know, if you talk to people, the Army, by the way, is 25% down.
00:29:24.000And if you talk to people in our audience, Senator, the question that I get that is one of the hardest to answer is when a mom comes to one of our events or emails us and she says, Charlie, my son wants to serve the country.
00:29:38.000And I'm not sure that I'm comfortable given the tilt of the milk.
00:29:42.000Just that attitude alone is you have the willingness to serve and not the receptivity.
00:29:47.000So Senator, amongst just kind of the general consensus with your Democrat colleagues that care about national security, you know, there's definitely some.
00:29:58.000Can this be a rare moment of bipartisanship where we can depoliticize our armed forces, Senator Kramer?
00:30:05.000I think it can be because you touched on when you said depoliticize.
00:30:09.000There's nobody of any political stripe that wants to see a hyper-politicized military.
00:30:14.000We all might love to see it leaning more our way one way or the other.
00:30:18.000But by and large, we want a politically neutral military.
00:30:23.000We don't want individuals who are politically neutral.
00:30:25.000We want them to have the same rights and freedoms of expression.
00:30:29.000And by the way, I actually have the rules of ethics here that actually highlight that very point that allow partisan political activity within our military.
00:30:41.000But as an institution, we don't want that.
00:30:44.000And so I do think there's an opportunity with my Democrat friends.
00:30:47.000As you know, I'm on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
00:30:49.000I don't know a single Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee that doesn't want a stronger military.
00:30:57.000But we had, for example, with the National Defense Authorization Act, we only had one vote against the Defense Authorization Act this year on the Armed Services Committee.
00:31:06.000And so, yeah, I think it's an opportunity, a learning experience, and we ought to get after it as soon as we get back.
00:31:12.000One thing I will tell you, I want to bring the chief of staff of the Air Force or some other high-ranking Air Force official before the committee to go over line by line the entire clock and calendar of events that led to this event in Minutes because I feel you're right.
00:31:27.000It's just one expression of many that's that are currently going on.
00:33:25.000And by the way, one of the things I suggested yesterday to the Air Force leadership is that they start with an apology to turning point for this message.
00:33:34.000I mean, a sincere one, because I know that's not what's in the heart of our leaders in the Air Force, and certainly not of the airmen and women, the airmen in Minot, Grand Forks, Fargo.
00:33:45.000We have a Space Force station in Cavalier, by the way, as well.
00:33:48.000Space Force, by the way, does always meet their recruiting goals because it's sort of the new Air Force in terms of the place the cool kids want to go.
00:33:56.000But all of that, and we'll just keep you informed.
00:34:06.000I said, it's not enough to send out a correction four days later.
00:34:10.000You need to get out front on this and talk to the American people about what happened and why it was just a mistake and not a new trend in our Air Force or our military.
00:34:33.000And also, Mary and Carmen, hope to see you guys soon and have a great Thanksgiving.
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00:38:31.000And I said, look, the Israeli intellect, we did a whole show on this.
00:38:33.000Hila Hamil, the intelligence minister of Israel, wrote an op-ed calling for a worldwide refugee resettlement scheme to move 2 million Gazans out of Israel into the rest of the world.
00:38:41.000By the way, when I did this, I had someone text me.
00:38:44.000They said, Charlie, what is your evidence that the Israeli government, it's like, well, this is the op-ed, right?
00:39:03.000They're both former Mossad and current Knesset.
00:39:06.000Gamil says that once Gazans are gone, quote, Israeli communities could then return to their homes and communities and live in safety.
00:39:12.000She says nothing about a life that will be for the people in Paris or London or Detroit who'll be expected to then house these Hamas lovers.
00:39:18.000Here's what I don't like about this framing.
00:39:20.000And again, I call balls and strikes and I'm cheering for Israel.
00:39:23.000And by the way, the end of the tweet I thought was perfect, which is, I support Israel, so I say this in goodwill.
00:39:28.000If the members of the Israeli government keep up putting garbage op-eds like this, they will destroy their support among Western conservatives.
00:39:35.000And I should have add, which is their base.
00:39:38.000That is their base, is Western conservatives.
00:39:41.000And they're destroying their base by doing that.
00:39:44.000And by the way, a lot of Jews that I'm talking about say this is talking to, they think it's the dumbest thing ever.
00:39:49.000I don't know why the Israeli government is doing it.