00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, a comprehensive immigration discussion: how our values get used against us that segues really nicely to a conversation we have with Gordon Chang.
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00:01:39.000It's partially true, but it's not totally true.
00:01:43.000There are separate, there are distinct types of people that come to a nation.
00:01:49.000An immigrant is an individual that comes to a nation that is largely already constituted, has laws, has a system of government established, has cities, has a place that already is built.
00:02:05.000A settler comes to a largely non-established country.
00:02:11.000A settler comes to a barren land, a place of opportunity, and you have to build something new.
00:02:18.000So it's more accurate to say that America was first a nation of settlers.
00:02:24.000When the first pilgrims came to Plymouth Rock, when the first pilgrims came to the colonies, it was a largely non-established country.
00:02:33.000State constitutions had to be composed.
00:02:48.000They got them from what was still bubbling up and is now known as the Western tradition.
00:02:55.000We're a nation first and foremost of settlers, settlers that went west.
00:02:59.000Settlers that went west to the once barren deserts of Arizona and Utah, the barren deserts of Nevada and California, the barren deserts of Oregon and Washington.
00:03:10.000Now, the way they tell the story is that anyone that was a settler was a colonialist and was a murderer and a terrible person, even though we, the settlers, those people that came and descended from those individuals, built the most decent, prosperous, generous, and greatest civilization a nation ever to exist in the history of the planet.
00:03:29.000Now, immigrants, of course, can, and they have the potential to enrich a society.
00:03:50.000And if you can get an Elon Musk once every 10 years, you're a very blessed country.
00:03:55.000However, there is this false idealism that has set in, that all immigrants are going to be like Elon Musk, that all people coming to the country are going to embrace Western values and Western traditions.
00:04:08.000And now we know over the last couple decades that is not the case.
00:04:51.000What is best for the American citizen?
00:04:55.000This is one of the main arguments, one of the superpowers behind Donald Trump, Trump's political campaign, is America first.
00:05:03.000We're going to put our own citizens first.
00:05:05.000Secondly, running up against some of these kind of core beliefs, when do you then reach the limit?
00:05:14.000This is why I laugh when some people say, well, you know, I'm an atheist or I'm a secularist.
00:05:19.000You might think you are, but at some point you have guiding principles that you consider to be good or bad.
00:05:25.000I want to know what those principles are.
00:05:29.000And so the people of Chicago or the people in New York, they pride themselves on being open-minded and diversity is our strength and being welcoming.
00:05:39.000And something that needs to be repeated is, of course, we've gone through the great replacement reality.
00:05:44.000Is that the once great cities are becoming third world dumping grounds?
00:05:51.000And the most evil elites, they are using our own compassion against us.
00:06:02.000What has been a unique characteristic of our history, being the most generous, the most benevolent, and the most compassionate country ever to exist, that as a core value, we are now being taken advantage of.
00:06:24.000This is used in immigration, especially, which is they use the misapplication of scripture or Christian values and say, well, don't you care for the least of these?
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00:11:42.000That's just one of the last things that Moses said in his farewell address in Deuteronomy 28, 43.
00:11:47.000One of the least appreciated verses of the Torah, where the open border Christian crowd ignores the fact and the context and the weight of what Moses was saying.
00:11:57.000Moses knew he was not going into the promised land.
00:12:00.000He was telling the next generation, guys, here are the things that you must be concerned about.
00:12:05.000The things you must be a cautionary tale.
00:12:09.000And as you're about to enter the land of milk and honey, as you're about to continue and establish the nation of Israel, as you're about to go into the land of Canaan, be very careful about the foreigners who live in your land and they will gain power over you.
00:12:25.000If every pastor in the country even quoted that verse, we would have a much more balanced immigration conversation in this country.
00:12:33.000I want to continue the immigration thing, but this is some breaking news.
00:13:24.000At some point, how many black law enforcement officers that are going after Donald Trump make their way to the White House counsel's office?
00:13:34.000I mean, Alvin Bragg is the only one that we're waiting for, by the way.
00:13:44.000Remember how significant it was when we learned that Loretta Lynch, the Attorney General of the United States, left her private jet to go on a private jet with Bill Clinton for 45 minutes on the tarmac of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.
00:14:02.000Something that we only know because of a reporter who tragically committed suicide about a year and a half and two years ago, which tends to happen if you report negative news against the Clintons.
00:14:53.000But then when you have a time, place, and manner, billable hours, Letitia James, Nathan Wade, Big Fanny Willis, it becomes harder for these serpents in the grass to slither away to use Orwellian doublespeak and to lie to us and to gaslight us.
00:15:33.000And he goes and he says, hey, these guys met, and it blew up the whole narrative.
00:15:38.000Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch never wanted that to become public because at the very least, it became a number one news story in the fall of 2016 that Hillary Clinton, via her husband, Bill Clinton, was still running the government.
00:15:54.000And Loretta Lynch was either giving a heads up, coordinating, and you're trying to tell me that the Attorney General of the United States went on a private jet and just talked to a former president whose wife is currently running for the president, is under criminal investigation by the FBI and the Department of Justice for destroying classified information.
00:16:08.000And they're just talking about golf and grandkids.
00:16:11.000And the fact we knew about the meeting was the thread, the cause set in motion that led towards the inevitable political deterioration of Hillary Clinton in the fall of 2020.
00:19:35.000But they'd say, look, we are not China.
00:19:38.000So even if one of the pro-China candidates gets elected on Saturday, it'd be very hard to surrender Taiwan.
00:19:46.000But that's not to say there's not going to be trouble because Beijing is going to basically is demanding annexation now.
00:19:54.000And whoever is elected, whether it's William Lai, the vice president, or whether it's one of these other two, Beijing is going to just gonna... huff and puff and it is going to create tension.
00:20:06.000So this is going to be a rough period.
00:20:11.000Is there, there are rumblings that the Chinese Communist Party, based on the results, might make a move for Taiwan.
00:20:18.000Can you walk through, though, how that is?
00:20:19.000It's a little bit oversimplified to say that.
00:20:22.000It's a geographically tricky island, huge cliffs.
00:20:26.000It is difficult to do an amphibious ground invasion.
00:20:30.000It wouldn't necessarily, it sounds easier than it actually is.
00:20:35.000Do you see any, first walk through that?
00:20:37.000And then secondly, do you see any evidence that the Chinese Communist Party might try a military maneuver based on the results of the election?
00:20:45.000I'll answer your second question first.
00:20:48.000Yes, I think that they might actually do so.
00:21:22.000And some people worry that China, instead of being able to gobble up everything, might decide to grab one of these outlying islands, which would be a relatively easy maneuver for them to do.
00:21:43.000We don't know exactly what's going on, Charlie, because there is the system's opaque, but we're seeing symptoms that do not occur unless there is intense distress.
00:21:55.000So I don't think that the Communist Party at this point would launch a combined airland sea operation, but it could very well stumble into war because Xi Jinping now has, I think, a lot of domestic incentives to create trouble abroad.
00:22:10.000And if there were trouble of any sort, the Communist Party is in no mood to act reasonably with regard to anybody else, including the United States.
00:23:15.000In the China's Rocket Force, which is the branch of the China's military which controls almost all the country's nuclear weapons, the top two commanders were relieved in the summer.
00:23:26.00070 rocket force people have been disappeared in the last half of last year.
00:23:32.000All sorts of other prominent people have been under a cloud.
00:23:36.000And the most recent rumor is that a guy named Lil He, who was the guy who negotiated with the Trump administration on the phase one trade deal in January of 2020, he's been missing now for three weeks.
00:23:52.000But the point is, I can go on for about an hour to tell you about all the people who have either died or disappeared under very unusual circumstances.
00:24:03.000That means the political system is clearly intense infighting, but we don't know.
00:26:39.000Although, in November of last year, yeah, there were regime change protests, but it's more just opting out of society.
00:26:48.000And I'll give you a statistics which gives you a sense of where they are.
00:26:54.000In March of last year, when the official unemployment rate was 19.7% for people in the 16 to 24 age cohort, it was really 46.5%, according to a professor from Peking University, which is sort of like China's Harvard.
00:27:13.000Because 16 million people in that cohort had decided that they could no longer look for work because there was no work available.
00:27:23.000So you're talking almost half of the people in the most productive age group just decided they were out of society.
00:27:32.000And that number is probably worse now because there's been severe deterioration in the Chinese economy from last March to today.
00:27:41.000So right now, you know, it's just a sense of gloom.
00:27:44.000And, you know, one of these indicators of gloom is that the Chinese people are just not wanting to have children.
00:28:55.000So Gordon, let me ask you, what should the American policy be to exploit some of these weaknesses and to try and continue to be the world's superpower?
00:29:06.000What you're saying is that there are some domestic turmoil issues.
00:29:14.000What can we do from a policy standpoint, economically, strategically, to exploit these weaknesses?
00:29:22.000Well, we should cut off the blood supply to a regime that means us harm, which means that we should not be allowing investment into Chinese stocks.
00:29:31.000We should be cutting off technical cooperation arrangements between the United States and China.
00:29:36.000And to the greatest extent possible, we should be stopping trade.
00:29:40.000We should be trading with our friends rather than with an enemy, an enemy that has actually not only declared a quote-unquote people's war on us, but also has actually killed Americans with fentanyl and with COVID.
00:29:52.000So we need to stop the money that is going to supporting the Communist Party.
00:29:57.000And we have a limited opportunity to do that, Charlie.
00:29:59.000So the question you asked is the critical one.
00:30:02.000And it's the one that every American policymaker should be asking at this particular moment.
00:30:07.000Isn't one of the tricks or one of the challenges, I should say, the manufacturing is part of it, but also the banking, gaming, casinos, and sports, telecom media.
00:30:25.000And we get so fixated on textiles that they make our t-shirts and stuff.
00:30:29.000That's actually offshoring slowly to Vietnam, to Laos, to Cambodia, to Nicaragua, to Honduras.
00:30:35.000That window is closing with or without pressure from the West.
00:30:40.000The issue, though, is how many American elites have their billionaire lifestyle tied to cheap money flows from the Chinese Communist Party?
00:30:49.000A lot of them, and not all of them are Democrats.
00:30:54.000And some of the people in the American political establishment who propagate CCP narratives are unfortunately Republicans.
00:31:04.000So we've got a problem in both political parties.
00:31:07.000So what we need to do is to make sure that they don't have incentives to support the communist regime.
00:31:14.000And that means cutting these economic ties.
00:31:18.000Neal, one other thing that we should be doing, and we should be doing this regardless, we should be getting the Communist Party out of our country.
00:31:26.000So Chinese nationals shouldn't be owning land, especially farmland in our country.
00:31:32.000They shouldn't be involved in our banking sector because that is the core of the American economy.
00:32:56.000They use our own values against us, whether it be with immigration, whether it be with economics.
00:33:01.000We pride ourselves on being this open society and being a bastion of free marketeering.
00:33:07.000And the bad guys, they then push what might be an admirable quality in some sense to the limit and they invert it as a tool of suicide and take advantage of us.
00:33:18.000And they call us chumps along the way.