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00:01:12.000My co-pilot here, Blake, is here with us in case the voice gets out, and we have one of my favorite guests right now.
00:01:18.000It is Heather MacDonald, author of the book, When Race Trumps Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives.
00:01:29.000Also, the contributing editor to the City Journal, of which I read everything she publishes.
00:01:36.000Heather MacDonald, welcome back to the program.
00:02:19.000Violent crime is actually down across the U.S.
00:02:22.000New statistics from the FBI show an estimated 3% drop last year.
00:02:27.000Let's talk about this with CNN's Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst, John Miller.
00:02:32.000Alright, John, walk us through these numbers.
00:02:36.000Well, what we're seeing is a couple of numbers of significance.
00:02:39.000So first, going to the overall numbers, and we can look at that graphic, you've got violent crime overall, that's shootings, manslaughter, murder, down 3%.
00:02:50.000So that's a good story on a day when we're hearing bad news out of places like Birmingham.
00:03:06.000The truth is, you're using the wrong, he's using the wrong benchmark.
00:03:10.000When Americans feel like crime is up, when they see the anarchy, when they see the disorder, they are not wrong, Charlie.
00:03:19.000If you are living in a city, there's a distinction in this country between suburban crime and urban crime.
00:03:26.000You've seen a 40% increase since the George Floyd race riots.
00:03:32.000We have seen the largest One year increase in homicides in this country in 2020, up 29%.
00:03:40.000The trivial decreases last year do not begin to erase the crime anarchy that has broken out since George Floyd and since Biden and Harris legitimated that riots and started the whole attack on the police as racist.
00:04:01.000And can you put into context, I think a lot of people had the sense that, you know, obviously 2020 was a very dangerous year with a lot of mayhem.
00:04:10.000How much did crime go up in 2020, 2021?
00:04:14.000And by comparison, how much has the decline been since then?
00:05:11.000It's not protecting property and it's not protecting lives.
00:05:15.000Yeah, and even going bigger picture than that, so crime went up in 2020, but I've also seen it stated, crime's kind of also up from about, I think 2014 we got the first wave of BLM with the Ferguson stuff, Michael Brown, and so that's when you saw, you know, murders went way up in Baltimore, in other cities, and so the long-term trend is definitely one of much higher crime almost entirely within our cities.
00:05:45.000And again, this is a trend that is man-made.
00:05:48.000It is a result of law enforcement backing off from its lawful powers.
00:05:53.000It's a result of the demoralization of cops.
00:05:56.000It's the result of progressive prosecutors who have decided they would rather not enforce the law than put black criminals in jail.
00:06:03.000And these policies were embraced by the Biden administration.
00:06:07.000Biden took every opportunity to say that black parents are right to fear that their kids are going to be killed by a cop every time they step outside.
00:06:14.000Kamala Harris, after the George Floyd incident, also said we have a systemic racism problem in this country, including in law enforcement.
00:06:23.000These problems are not going to go away unless we change the governing philosophy with regards to law enforcement.
00:06:30.000The police have nothing to apologize for, Blake.
00:06:34.000They're the most restrained force in history at this point.
00:06:37.000And if you want to talk about who should fear going outside, as usual, the rates of interracial violent crime are just the opposite of what the media tells you.
00:06:48.000When you look at all violent crime between blacks and whites and whites and blacks, excluding homicide, because this is self-reported, blacks commit 76% of all violent crime between blacks and whites And yet the narrative is it's white supremacy is the problem.
00:07:06.000times more likely to violently attack a white person than vice versa.
00:07:12.000And yet the narrative is it's white supremacy is the problem.
00:07:19.000And so, Heather, the agenda seems to be a war on white people, a war on kind of the
00:07:25.000home, the people that are in the homeland.
00:07:28.000White people aren't the only ones in the homeland.
00:07:30.000Black Americans are Hispanic Americans.
00:07:31.000But it seems that a through-line is an oligarchy or a ruling class that has contempt for the people that are here, for a preference for those that are not here.
00:07:43.000And if there's any part of the population that seems to be criticized, smeared, and slandered, it is white male Americans.
00:08:03.000The government has decided that its primary obligation at this point is to the dysfunctional and antisocial, hardworking, law-abiding, taxpaying Americans who are treated like ATM cash machines, simply to fund these ineffective social programs and welfare transfers.
00:08:20.000It's the great inversion of Government's primary responsibility is to the law-abiding and the hard-working.
00:08:27.000But all the homeless policy, all the immigration policy, it is absurd that we are erasing the distinction between legal and illegal, and citizen and non-citizen.
00:08:38.000But government has decided that it somehow has to atone for what is by now purely imaginary flaws on the part of a white male civilization.
00:08:59.000And every time that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden insist that we still are, Biden says we have this enduring stain of racism in our soul.
00:09:08.000They are asking for more anarchy, for more hatred, for more racial division, none of which needs to exist today or should exist.
00:09:15.000And what it does, Heather, it disallows us from actually having policy that might be best for the country if everything is racist behind it.
00:09:21.000So, for example, you can't have shoplifting regulations in certain convenience stores because they say, well, you might be racially profiling because, I don't know what the number is, Blake, XYZ in urban areas, shoplifting is done by young black men.
00:09:34.000Heather, you would know the statistics, but it's probably upwards of 50%, right?
00:09:38.000It makes the country worse, doesn't it?
00:09:40.000It doesn't allow us to enforce Charlie, you're absolutely right.
00:09:50.000Race drives everything in the criminal justice system today.
00:09:53.000If your listeners sort of are scratching their heads looking around what's going on with these progressive prosecutors that are announcing they're not going to enforce a whole basket of laws, It's all because of race.
00:10:04.000It's all because if law enforcement does enforce the law in a colorblind, neutral way, it will have a disparate impact on black criminals.
00:10:27.000In the short term, if you want to save black lives, and we shall never accept the fiction that the Black Lives Matter activists actually want to save black lives.
00:10:36.000They don't give a damn about black lives.
00:10:38.000They have never once protested a black victim of a black criminal.
00:10:42.000But if you do want to save those lives, you would need the police and you need law enforcement.
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00:12:15.000They lacked data from, I don't know, Los Angeles, not exactly the safest city in America.
00:12:21.000And then also the National Crime Victimization Survey run by the Bureau of Justice Statistics and administered by the Census Bureau found that urban violent crime increased 40% from 2019 to 2023, excluding simple assault.
00:12:35.000The urban violent crime rate rose 54% over that span.
00:13:03.000You know, a 3% decrease nationally in crime last year does not erase The massive increase in all forms of crime, property crime, carjacking, violent crime that we saw starting in 2020.
00:13:19.000So the FBI, I think fraud is a little bit extreme.
00:13:23.000I don't think it's trying to hide the numbers.
00:13:25.000It has shifted its data collection methods, but it's getting that more in sync.
00:13:31.000The problem is how you spin what are Fairly good numbers and what you're comparing to.
00:13:37.000And if you're living in a city, believe your eyes.
00:13:57.000We are living in a long-term Disintegration of the expectations of law and order.
00:14:03.000We have capitulated to the forces of anarchy and we don't need to do this.
00:14:09.000We need to turn it around because you cannot have a civilization when property owners, when store owners cannot assume that their employees are safe and that their goods are safe.
00:14:20.000Nobody should apologize for defending property.
00:14:22.000You know, you get the AOCs of the world after, during the George Floyd race riot saying, well, you know, they're just, they're just businesses.
00:14:29.000They've got insurance to cover their losses.
00:14:34.000If, if government cannot protect not just lives, but the expectation that property is secure and that businesses can operate in security with their customers, There is no more civilization.
00:14:48.000Heather, if Donald Trump wins the presidency, what can a president do about a local urban crime spree, if anything?
00:14:57.000Well, Charlie, that's a very essential distinction.
00:14:59.000By and large, crime is a matter of local policies.
00:15:03.000What the police are going to enforce, are they told to ignore illegal behavior because It, you know, again, has a disparate impact if they go after street criminals or prosecutors saying they're not going to enforce the law.
00:15:17.000But what really matters is the rhetoric from the White House.
00:15:30.000These kids that are out there on the street corner shooting each other, they all have smartphones.
00:15:35.000Despite what the Chicago mayor, Brandon Johnson, says is when you get these rampaging youth on the Magnificent Mile on Michigan Avenue downtown, that, well, the problem is they don't have opportunities.
00:15:49.000Social media is the police's best friend because all these kids throw their gang signs, they show off their loot, they show off their guns on social media.
00:15:58.000Any child that has a smartphone is not deprived of opportunities.
00:16:01.000Crime is actually almost inversely correlated with economic opportunities.
00:16:06.000We saw in the 60s, it was a strong economy.
00:16:08.000Urban crime started going through the roof because we started excusing bad behavior on the theory of you should not blame victims.
00:16:16.000The depression was the greatest economic trauma in this country's history.
00:18:17.000You guys started reporting on this story that's happening in Alabama, and it seems as if it's happening across the country, of the federal government that is flying in foreigners into these small, conservative, sleepy towns.
00:18:31.000Now, Alabama is a very conservative state.
00:18:33.000They didn't vote for having mass Haitian resettlement in their state.
00:18:39.000Are Alabamans living through a massive wave of foreigners coming into their state?
00:18:44.000It could be the very beginning of a wave, at least it looks as such.
00:18:49.000I would say this, there's these NGOs that seem to be playing a role in this, and they're looking around the state, and they're saying, hey, where can we settle these people?
00:18:58.000They're not really asking the locals, and that's sort of the rub there.
00:19:03.000But they are, they're settling in these small towns and sometimes they're drawn by like just poultry processing plants seem to be a big draw here.
00:19:12.000It's wherever they can find them work and a place to live.
00:19:15.000And there's, this seems to be a magnet.
00:19:20.000And what it's doing though, is if you've seen some of the national news is people are like, well, we have a problem with this.
00:20:14.000But you know what's going on in Spring Hill, Ohio.
00:20:18.000Concerned about influxes happening across the country, Fairhope residents worry that if it happens here without a plan established ahead of time, the school system will crumble and laws will be broken left and right.
00:20:30.000So I'm going to read a little piece of the letter that you signed.
00:20:33.000We continually hear from our constituents that they believe in and support refugee resettlement.
00:20:38.000From greeting refugee families at the airport, to assisting with English language classes, or navigating bus lines, our communities stand welcome.
00:20:47.000I don't remember you asking anybody that's here how they felt about that.
00:20:53.000So Jeff, why is it that the leaders of these towns seem so intent on punishing the people that they're tasked to govern?
00:21:00.000There is a real disconnect here, and I cannot explain it.
00:21:04.000And this isn't just a phenomenon in the Fair Hope situation, but typically what you're seeing, the state-level elected officials and even the congressmen and federal officials are kind of on the side of, hey, well, let's hit the brakes on this resettlement program.
00:21:20.000And these mayors, these city councils are very dismissive of these concerns.
00:21:27.000And I can tell you this, in Alabama, we have nonpartisan municipal elections.
00:21:32.000I don't know if they want to ostracize.
00:21:34.000They think they're ostracizing half the community or something like that.
00:21:37.000I mean, it's not really half in Alabama.
00:21:41.000That piece of tape you just played, it all stemmed from this.
00:21:46.000The city council president in Fairhope signed a letter, and it was sent to Joe Biden on September 12th of this year.
00:21:56.000But it just extolled the virtues of these so-called asylum seekers, these refugees, and bringing them to your community and what they offer the community.
00:22:07.000And it's just all this flowery language.
00:22:11.000It's almost like it reads like an invitation come to our community.
00:22:16.000So only three signatories in Alabama, uh, two state lawmakers and the city council president.
00:22:23.000And I think that's what got people kind of concerned here because we see it going on in these neighboring towns all around the state of Alabama, that they are resettling these, um, what, what I guess you will call them refugees for lack of a better term that are being settled under the CHNV program.
00:23:25.000She was driving under the speed limit, seatbelt buckled, several car distances away, most likely with her hands at 10 and 2.
00:23:34.000She was as cautious and careful and law-abiding as they come.
00:23:37.000Born and raised in that area, she served at the local school for over 20 years, volunteered relentlessly at her church.
00:23:46.000She loved her community dearly and devoted her life to it in many ways.
00:23:51.000As she drove to pick up cabinet hardware to complete the dream kitchen she had worked on and waited 25 years for, Her car rapidly approached a vehicle in front of her on US-131.
00:24:02.000She slowed and brought her vehicle to a complete stop as she realized that car in front of her was actually in reverse on the interstate.
00:24:10.000Though she saw him, though she controlled her own vehicle, my mother-in-law was hit from the rear at full speed of 77 miles per hour by another innocent woman.
00:24:22.000Then her car imploded into the driver in front.
00:24:26.000They were both killed in the accident.
00:24:29.000Both Christians, both community servants.
00:24:34.000So that was a testimony in Fairhope, Alabama, and she sounds like she's from the Midwest, and I'm not sure if the driver was illegal or not, but albeit very powerful testimony there.
00:24:47.000So Jeff, I'm curious, has the governor of Alabama come out and spoken against the potential resettling of these foreigners, saying that there will be no resettlement in the state of Alabama?
00:24:57.000Governor Ivey's spoken out against it, but here's the way they caveat it.
00:25:05.000The federal government can do what it wants to do, which obviously to a lot of people here is kind of underwhelming, I think.
00:25:12.000But the governor's paid lip service, lieutenant governor, the attorney general, the upper echelons of state government have at least rhetorically pushed back against it.
00:25:22.000But I don't know that they are necessarily exercising all the tools at their disposal.
00:25:27.000Yeah, I just, what percentage of the people in Alabama do you think would be okay with this kind of resettlement program?
00:26:14.000And then what the potential next step would be when we deport these asylum seekers or whatever you want to call them, the Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans back to their home countries.
00:26:27.000Well, he's tried this before and you can go back to the travel ban when Trump was first elected president.
00:26:31.000The first thing we saw when he tried to use his executive authority was these liberal storefronts, ACLU, SPLC types.
00:26:38.000Run to federal court, they'll go find a federal judge, they'll get an injunction, that will stall the process, it'll be appealed in an appeals court, and then eventually the Supreme Court will rule on it, but that could be up to three years away, so it's like they're buying time here, but in the meantime they have this set amount of Haitian refugees or Venezuelans or whoever it is, they're trying to, I think, trying to settle at different places around the country.
00:27:05.000And, I mean, look, the American people don't want this, yet it keeps on getting force-fed to us.
00:27:09.000Jeff, tell us about your news outlet and how people can support you.
00:27:11.000It's 1819news, 1819news.com, where it's kind of a state-based, you know, we need more of this around the country, but at the state level, trying to promote the conservative values, at least getting conservative perspective out there and make sure that those issues are at least being talked about and brought about in a way that's meaningful and maybe impactful.
00:27:45.000One, I feel it's... Is it retaliation?
00:27:48.000Yeah, I do think... I would be shocked if there aren't at least a few people who think these are beachheads to get people into these communities, but a lot of it's also they can justify it.
00:27:58.000It's cheaper, you know, it's cheaper to live there.
00:28:00.000You often have local It feels dramatic to say this, but like collaborators who say a lot of these places might have falling populations and they say this is how we get workers because we struggle.
00:28:10.000That's what the excuse is in Springfield.
00:28:12.000Business owners say we can't get anyone to work here and these Haitians are showing up and they do work.
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00:30:16.000So they're Shia, they're allies of Iran, and they basically fought Israel back in the 1980s when Israel was involved in Lebanon, there was a civil war there.
00:30:27.000They've had a lot of clashes since then.
00:30:29.000Israel briefly invaded Lebanon in, I think it was 2006, and they're one of those parties that loves shooting rockets at Israel all of the time.
00:30:38.000They are a much more formidable group than Hamas is.
00:30:43.000Hamas only really operates out of Gaza.
00:30:49.000They've been getting a lot of funding from Iran for years.
00:30:53.000They also were involved in the Syrian civil war.
00:30:55.000They fought to help Bashar Assad stay in power.
00:30:59.000So a lot of the guys have fought quite a bit.
00:31:01.000They have tens of thousands of fighters.
00:31:03.000And so there's always been some level of conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.
00:31:08.000It went up a lot about a year ago when the October 7th attack happened, Israel invades Gaza, and sort of out of solidarity with Hamas, Hezbollah upped their rocket attacks into Israel.
00:31:24.000What really sent it up again over the summer, there was a rocket attack on, I believe, a soccer practice field in the Golan Heights, and it killed, I think, 12 people and, like, children.
00:31:36.000And this was bad enough, it was a huge story in Israel, huge deal, and I think it killed members of the Druze minority, so it wasn't even an attack on Jews, it was an attack on a different religious group.
00:31:47.000And on top of that, it was so bad, Hezbollah actually has denied responsibility for this, which they normally don't do that.
00:32:04.000So Israel appears to have somehow got into the supply chain for the pagers used by Hezbollah, and they loaded them with explosives.
00:32:11.000It doesn't look like they hacked it, just hacked it.
00:32:13.000It looks like they literally put explosives in their pager devices.
00:32:17.000And then they blew them all up, and so they killed several dozen members of Hezbollah, and several others received, you know, sex change surgeries involuntarily.
00:32:44.000And it's one that's much more directly allied with Iran.
00:32:46.000Like, yeah, Iran sponsors terrorist groups all over, but this is the number one Iranian client group.
00:32:52.000So if you were going to have a surprise war in October, that is another giant conflict under the Biden administration, this is how it could happen.
00:33:00.000And so, but what, help me understand, Israel going to war with Hezbollah is related or unrelated to October 7th?
00:33:11.000It's related in the sense that October 7th greatly increased the tensions all over the place.
00:33:17.000And so it did lead to more rocket attacks on them.
00:33:20.000And I think it also just, it put Israel on much more of a war footing overall.
00:33:25.000So they've been more combative against some of these groups.
00:33:28.000So they've done more stuff in the West Bank, more stuff against Lebanon.
00:33:32.000So they've done a bunch of airstrikes over the last year in Lebanon that's killed a few hundred people.