The Charlie Kirk Show - Is Crime Really Down? What's the Truth? ft. Heather Mac Donald

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00:01:12.000 My co-pilot here, Blake, is here with us in case the voice gets out, and we have one of my favorite guests right now.

00:01:18.000 It is Heather MacDonald, author of the book, When Race Trumps Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives.

00:01:29.000 Also, the contributing editor to the City Journal, of which I read everything she publishes.

00:01:36.000 Heather MacDonald, welcome back to the program.

00:01:38.000 Well, Charlie, you're a real trooper.

00:01:40.000 When I feel like you sound, I'm like completely, I'm not going to do anything.

00:01:44.000 So I'm very impressed by your stamina and determination, but obviously these are very crucial times and we need your voice in there.

00:01:51.000 So thank you for, for.

00:01:53.000 Powering through your awful cold and flu.

00:01:55.000 Well, thank you.

00:01:56.000 Yeah, and I actually feel fine.

00:01:58.000 It's what happens when you do seven outdoor events in 24 hours and, you know, your voice just gives out.

00:02:05.000 So, I appreciate that.

00:02:07.000 So, Heather, on the mainstream media and also on some of my interactions on campus, some students are saying, Charlie, crime is down.

00:02:13.000 Crime is down.

00:02:14.000 The FBI says crime is down.

00:02:16.000 Let's play Cut 74 to kind of set the table here.

00:02:18.000 Let's play Cut 74.

00:02:19.000 Violent crime is actually down across the U.S.

00:02:22.000 New statistics from the FBI show an estimated 3% drop last year.

00:02:27.000 Let's talk about this with CNN's Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst, John Miller.

00:02:32.000 Alright, John, walk us through these numbers.

00:02:36.000 Well, what we're seeing is a couple of numbers of significance.

00:02:39.000 So first, going to the overall numbers, and we can look at that graphic, you've got violent crime overall, that's shootings, manslaughter, murder, down 3%.

00:02:50.000 So that's a good story on a day when we're hearing bad news out of places like Birmingham.

00:02:56.000 Property crime overall, down 2.4%.

00:02:58.000 So that is from 2022 to 2023.

00:02:59.000 OK, Heather, what's the truth here?

00:03:06.000 The truth is, you're using the wrong, he's using the wrong benchmark.

00:03:10.000 When Americans feel like crime is up, when they see the anarchy, when they see the disorder, they are not wrong, Charlie.

00:03:19.000 If you are living in a city, there's a distinction in this country between suburban crime and urban crime.

00:03:26.000 You've seen a 40% increase since the George Floyd race riots.

00:03:32.000 We have seen the largest One year increase in homicides in this country in 2020, up 29%.

00:03:40.000 The trivial decreases last year do not begin to erase the crime anarchy that has broken out since George Floyd and since Biden and Harris legitimated that riots and started the whole attack on the police as racist.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 Thanks Heather.

00:04:00.000 This is Blake.

00:04:01.000 And can you put into context, I think a lot of people had the sense that, you know, obviously 2020 was a very dangerous year with a lot of mayhem.

00:04:10.000 How much did crime go up in 2020, 2021?

00:04:14.000 And by comparison, how much has the decline been since then?

00:04:19.000 In 2020, homicides rose 29%.

00:04:23.000 That is the largest increase in homicide in this nation's history.

00:04:26.000 And it's frankly, A statistical increase that in any field is almost unheard of.

00:04:32.000 Last year, the FBI is showing that homicides went down 11% nationally.

00:04:39.000 That doesn't begin to decrease the homicide shootings, the insane drive-by shootings that have broken out in urban areas.

00:04:51.000 And we're still living with the consequences today.

00:04:53.000 We're living with it with property crime.

00:04:55.000 We all know the shoplifting.

00:04:57.000 We all know the insanity of having major, just trivial household items locked under key.

00:05:07.000 We have capitulated to the forces of anarchy.

00:05:10.000 Government is not protecting us.

00:05:11.000 It's not protecting property and it's not protecting lives.

00:05:15.000 Yeah, and even going bigger picture than that, so crime went up in 2020, but I've also seen it stated, crime's kind of also up from about, I think 2014 we got the first wave of BLM with the Ferguson stuff, Michael Brown, and so that's when you saw, you know, murders went way up in Baltimore, in other cities, and so the long-term trend is definitely one of much higher crime almost entirely within our cities.

00:05:44.000 Absolutely.

00:05:45.000 And again, this is a trend that is man-made.

00:05:48.000 It is a result of law enforcement backing off from its lawful powers.

00:05:53.000 It's a result of the demoralization of cops. 0.97

00:05:56.000 It's the result of progressive prosecutors who have decided they would rather not enforce the law than put black criminals in jail. 0.95

00:06:03.000 And these policies were embraced by the Biden administration. 0.93

00:06:07.000 Biden took every opportunity to say that black parents are right to fear that their kids are going to be killed by a cop every time they step outside.

00:06:14.000 Kamala Harris, after the George Floyd incident, also said we have a systemic racism problem in this country, including in law enforcement.

00:06:23.000 These problems are not going to go away unless we change the governing philosophy with regards to law enforcement.

00:06:30.000 The police have nothing to apologize for, Blake.

00:06:34.000 They're the most restrained force in history at this point.

00:06:37.000 And if you want to talk about who should fear going outside, as usual, the rates of interracial violent crime are just the opposite of what the media tells you. 0.92

00:06:48.000 When you look at all violent crime between blacks and whites and whites and blacks, excluding homicide, because this is self-reported, blacks commit 76% of all violent crime between blacks and whites And yet the narrative is it's white supremacy is the problem. 0.53

00:07:06.000 times more likely to violently attack a white person than vice versa. 0.98

00:07:12.000 And yet the narrative is it's white supremacy is the problem. 0.99

00:07:16.000 Lies, lies and lies. 0.97

00:07:18.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:07:19.000 And so, Heather, the agenda seems to be a war on white people, a war on kind of the 0.51

00:07:25.000 home, the people that are in the homeland. 0.64

00:07:28.000 White people aren't the only ones in the homeland. 0.75

00:07:30.000 Black Americans are Hispanic Americans.

00:07:31.000 But it seems that a through-line is an oligarchy or a ruling class that has contempt for the people that are here, for a preference for those that are not here.

00:07:43.000 And if there's any part of the population that seems to be criticized, smeared, and slandered, it is white male Americans.

00:07:52.000 Why is that?

00:07:53.000 What is behind that, Heather?

00:07:55.000 Hatred, but then it's an infinite regress.

00:07:57.000 What explains that hatred?

00:07:59.000 Resentment?

00:08:01.000 And a hatred of bourgeois values.

00:08:03.000 The government has decided that its primary obligation at this point is to the dysfunctional and antisocial, hardworking, law-abiding, taxpaying Americans who are treated like ATM cash machines, simply to fund these ineffective social programs and welfare transfers.

00:08:20.000 It's the great inversion of Government's primary responsibility is to the law-abiding and the hard-working.

00:08:27.000 But all the homeless policy, all the immigration policy, it is absurd that we are erasing the distinction between legal and illegal, and citizen and non-citizen.

00:08:38.000 But government has decided that it somehow has to atone for what is by now purely imaginary flaws on the part of a white male civilization. 0.59

00:08:49.000 Yes, America was extremely racist.

00:08:52.000 It was violating its founding ideals every single day for much of its history.

00:08:57.000 We are not that country today.

00:08:59.000 And every time that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden insist that we still are, Biden says we have this enduring stain of racism in our soul.

00:09:08.000 They are asking for more anarchy, for more hatred, for more racial division, none of which needs to exist today or should exist.

00:09:15.000 And what it does, Heather, it disallows us from actually having policy that might be best for the country if everything is racist behind it. 0.61

00:09:21.000 So, for example, you can't have shoplifting regulations in certain convenience stores because they say, well, you might be racially profiling because, I don't know what the number is, Blake, XYZ in urban areas, shoplifting is done by young black men. 0.87

00:09:34.000 Heather, you would know the statistics, but it's probably upwards of 50%, right?

00:09:38.000 It makes the country worse, doesn't it?

00:09:40.000 It doesn't allow us to enforce Charlie, you're absolutely right.

00:09:50.000 Race drives everything in the criminal justice system today. 0.56

00:09:53.000 If your listeners sort of are scratching their heads looking around what's going on with these progressive prosecutors that are announcing they're not going to enforce a whole basket of laws, It's all because of race.

00:10:04.000 It's all because if law enforcement does enforce the law in a colorblind, neutral way, it will have a disparate impact on black criminals.

00:10:11.000 Not because the law is racist.

00:10:13.000 It is not. 0.93

00:10:14.000 It is because the black crime rate is so high. 1.00

00:10:18.000 The solution to that is not to emasculate policing, not to stop enforcing the law.

00:10:23.000 It's to bring the family back together.

00:10:25.000 That's a long-term proposition.

00:10:27.000 In the short term, if you want to save black lives, and we shall never accept the fiction that the Black Lives Matter activists actually want to save black lives. 0.99

00:10:36.000 They don't give a damn about black lives. 1.00

00:10:38.000 They have never once protested a black victim of a black criminal. 0.99

00:10:42.000 But if you do want to save those lives, you would need the police and you need law enforcement.

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00:11:51.000 Remember this from the debate?

00:11:52.000 Let's play Cut 75.

00:11:54.000 Crime here is up and through the roof.

00:11:56.000 Despite their fraudulent statements that they made, crime in this country is through the roof.

00:12:01.000 President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.

00:12:06.000 Excuse me, the FBI defrauded, they were defrauding statements.

00:12:09.000 They didn't include the worst cities.

00:12:11.000 They didn't include the cities with the worst crime.

00:12:14.000 And that is true.

00:12:15.000 They lacked data from, I don't know, Los Angeles, not exactly the safest city in America.

00:12:21.000 And then also the National Crime Victimization Survey run by the Bureau of Justice Statistics and administered by the Census Bureau found that urban violent crime increased 40% from 2019 to 2023, excluding simple assault.

00:12:35.000 The urban violent crime rate rose 54% over that span.

00:12:39.000 Heather, your reaction?

00:12:40.000 Well, that's true.

00:12:42.000 I think Trump is a little exaggerating.

00:12:44.000 Yes, LA is not in the FBI numbers, but they get a lot of agencies.

00:12:50.000 But again, the real issue here, Charlie, is are you looking at national figures, which homogenizes what's going on in cities?

00:12:58.000 Because the urban crime rate is much, much higher.

00:13:01.000 And when are you measuring from?

00:13:03.000 You know, a 3% decrease nationally in crime last year does not erase The massive increase in all forms of crime, property crime, carjacking, violent crime that we saw starting in 2020.

00:13:19.000 So the FBI, I think fraud is a little bit extreme.

00:13:23.000 I don't think it's trying to hide the numbers.

00:13:25.000 It has shifted its data collection methods, but it's getting that more in sync.

00:13:31.000 The problem is how you spin what are Fairly good numbers and what you're comparing to.

00:13:37.000 And if you're living in a city, believe your eyes.

00:13:41.000 Don't believe the mainstream media.

00:13:43.000 Believe your eyes when you see the looting, the shoplifting, the sense of entitlement, the absence of any kind of fear of law enforcement.

00:13:52.000 The videos are not telling lies.

00:13:55.000 They're telling the truth.

00:13:57.000 We are living in a long-term Disintegration of the expectations of law and order.

00:14:03.000 We have capitulated to the forces of anarchy and we don't need to do this.

00:14:09.000 We need to turn it around because you cannot have a civilization when property owners, when store owners cannot assume that their employees are safe and that their goods are safe.

00:14:20.000 Nobody should apologize for defending property.

00:14:22.000 You know, you get the AOCs of the world after, during the George Floyd race riot saying, well, you know, they're just, they're just businesses.

00:14:29.000 They've got insurance to cover their losses.

00:14:32.000 No, I'm sorry.

00:14:32.000 That is not correct.

00:14:34.000 If, if government cannot protect not just lives, but the expectation that property is secure and that businesses can operate in security with their customers, There is no more civilization.

00:14:48.000 That is well said.

00:14:48.000 Heather, if Donald Trump wins the presidency, what can a president do about a local urban crime spree, if anything?

00:14:57.000 Well, Charlie, that's a very essential distinction.

00:14:59.000 By and large, crime is a matter of local policies.

00:15:03.000 What the police are going to enforce, are they told to ignore illegal behavior because It, you know, again, has a disparate impact if they go after street criminals or prosecutors saying they're not going to enforce the law.

00:15:17.000 But what really matters is the rhetoric from the White House.

00:15:21.000 is the tone set by the president.

00:15:24.000 What I heard was a lot has to do with the economy, and I will tell you that is not correct.

00:15:28.000 That is the biggest lie.

00:15:30.000 These kids that are out there on the street corner shooting each other, they all have smartphones.

00:15:35.000 Despite what the Chicago mayor, Brandon Johnson, says is when you get these rampaging youth on the Magnificent Mile on Michigan Avenue downtown, that, well, the problem is they don't have opportunities.

00:15:45.000 That is total BS.

00:15:47.000 They all have smartphones.

00:15:49.000 Social media is the police's best friend because all these kids throw their gang signs, they show off their loot, they show off their guns on social media.

00:15:58.000 Any child that has a smartphone is not deprived of opportunities.

00:16:01.000 Crime is actually almost inversely correlated with economic opportunities.

00:16:06.000 We saw in the 60s, it was a strong economy.

00:16:08.000 Urban crime started going through the roof because we started excusing bad behavior on the theory of you should not blame victims.

00:16:16.000 The depression was the greatest economic trauma in this country's history.

00:16:22.000 Crime was virtually absent.

00:16:25.000 So crime is not a function of economic need.

00:16:28.000 It's a function of greed.

00:16:30.000 It's a function of greed.

00:16:31.000 And now I'm getting your problem, Charlie.

00:16:33.000 I somehow gave it to you over the air.

00:16:36.000 That's a remarkable feat of epidemiology.

00:16:38.000 I've never seen such a thing.

00:16:40.000 Heather, great work, and I will summarize it, which is crime is because of bad values, not because of lack of stuff.

00:16:48.000 And a society deciding to not enforce laws otherwise says that crime is a choice, both to commit it and to allow it.

00:16:57.000 Crime is a choice.

00:16:58.000 Heather, thank you so much.

00:16:59.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

00:17:00.000 I feel better.

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00:18:04.000 Okay, very important story here and this is a theme that we are seeing.

00:18:10.000 Joining us now is Jeff Poore, editor-in-chief of 1819news.com.

00:18:15.000 Jeff, welcome to the program.

00:18:17.000 You guys started reporting on this story that's happening in Alabama, and it seems as if it's happening across the country, of the federal government that is flying in foreigners into these small, conservative, sleepy towns.

00:18:31.000 Now, Alabama is a very conservative state.

00:18:33.000 They didn't vote for having mass Haitian resettlement in their state.

00:18:37.000 Tell us what is real and what is not.

00:18:39.000 Are Alabamans living through a massive wave of foreigners coming into their state? 1.00

00:18:44.000 It could be the very beginning of a wave, at least it looks as such.

00:18:49.000 I would say this, there's these NGOs that seem to be playing a role in this, and they're looking around the state, and they're saying, hey, where can we settle these people?

00:18:58.000 They're not really asking the locals, and that's sort of the rub there.

00:19:03.000 But they are, they're settling in these small towns and sometimes they're drawn by like just poultry processing plants seem to be a big draw here.

00:19:12.000 It's wherever they can find them work and a place to live.

00:19:15.000 And there's, this seems to be a magnet.

00:19:20.000 And what it's doing though, is if you've seen some of the national news is people are like, well, we have a problem with this.

00:19:28.000 The language barrier is one.

00:19:30.000 One thing, you know, Haitian Creole is not something a lot of people speak, number one.

00:19:36.000 I would say, number two, you know, already there's a burden on a lot of the local infrastructure.

00:19:41.000 Let's talk about health care, a lot of that, and people don't feel braced for what's going on with this resettlement.

00:19:48.000 So yeah, Jeff, let's play some piece of tape here.

00:19:50.000 Let's play cut 88, please.

00:19:52.000 Rumors of illegal or legal immigrants coming to Fairhope were quickly squashed Monday night by City Council members and the Mayor.

00:20:00.000 But that didn't appease the concerns of residents.

00:20:02.000 Legal immigration in Coffey County.

00:20:06.000 Did they ask for it?

00:20:07.000 No.

00:20:08.000 But you did.

00:20:09.000 One by one, residents took the mic.

00:20:11.000 I've got plenty of compassion.

00:20:13.000 I've got as much as you do.

00:20:14.000 But you know what's going on in Spring Hill, Ohio.

00:20:18.000 Concerned about influxes happening across the country, Fairhope residents worry that if it happens here without a plan established ahead of time, the school system will crumble and laws will be broken left and right. 0.68

00:20:30.000 So I'm going to read a little piece of the letter that you signed.

00:20:33.000 We continually hear from our constituents that they believe in and support refugee resettlement.

00:20:38.000 From greeting refugee families at the airport, to assisting with English language classes, or navigating bus lines, our communities stand welcome.

00:20:47.000 I don't remember you asking anybody that's here how they felt about that.

00:20:53.000 So Jeff, why is it that the leaders of these towns seem so intent on punishing the people that they're tasked to govern?

00:21:00.000 There is a real disconnect here, and I cannot explain it.

00:21:04.000 And this isn't just a phenomenon in the Fair Hope situation, but typically what you're seeing, the state-level elected officials and even the congressmen and federal officials are kind of on the side of, hey, well, let's hit the brakes on this resettlement program. 0.79

00:21:20.000 And these mayors, these city councils are very dismissive of these concerns.

00:21:27.000 And I can tell you this, in Alabama, we have nonpartisan municipal elections.

00:21:32.000 I don't know if they want to ostracize.

00:21:34.000 They think they're ostracizing half the community or something like that.

00:21:37.000 I mean, it's not really half in Alabama.

00:21:39.000 It's a very red Republican place.

00:21:41.000 That piece of tape you just played, it all stemmed from this.

00:21:46.000 The city council president in Fairhope signed a letter, and it was sent to Joe Biden on September 12th of this year.

00:21:56.000 But it just extolled the virtues of these so-called asylum seekers, these refugees, and bringing them to your community and what they offer the community.

00:22:07.000 And it's just all this flowery language.

00:22:09.000 And you see that.

00:22:11.000 It's almost like it reads like an invitation come to our community.

00:22:16.000 So only three signatories in Alabama, uh, two state lawmakers and the city council president.

00:22:23.000 And I think that's what got people kind of concerned here because we see it going on in these neighboring towns all around the state of Alabama, that they are resettling these, um, what, what I guess you will call them refugees for lack of a better term that are being settled under the CHNV program.

00:22:40.000 And.

00:22:41.000 They think, well, did the city council president issue an invitation to bring them here?

00:22:48.000 And why did you do that?

00:22:49.000 We did not say that was okay.

00:22:50.000 We didn't even have a discussion about this. 0.80

00:22:53.000 And there's sort of this pushback like, oh, you and your crazy rumor mongering. 0.72

00:22:59.000 Go back to your Facebook pages or whatever.

00:23:02.000 I don't know, like a city, almost an elitism with the city council here.

00:23:06.000 Let's play another piece of tape here.

00:23:07.000 Let's play cut 87.

00:23:09.000 I'm a Baldwin County resident.

00:23:11.000 My mother-in-law was recently killed in a tragic automobile accident in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

00:23:19.000 This was in June 2022.

00:23:22.000 She was not distracted.

00:23:23.000 She was not on her phone.

00:23:25.000 She was driving under the speed limit, seatbelt buckled, several car distances away, most likely with her hands at 10 and 2.

00:23:34.000 She was as cautious and careful and law-abiding as they come.

00:23:37.000 Born and raised in that area, she served at the local school for over 20 years, volunteered relentlessly at her church.

00:23:46.000 She loved her community dearly and devoted her life to it in many ways.

00:23:51.000 As she drove to pick up cabinet hardware to complete the dream kitchen she had worked on and waited 25 years for, Her car rapidly approached a vehicle in front of her on US-131.

00:24:02.000 She slowed and brought her vehicle to a complete stop as she realized that car in front of her was actually in reverse on the interstate.

00:24:10.000 Though she saw him, though she controlled her own vehicle, my mother-in-law was hit from the rear at full speed of 77 miles per hour by another innocent woman. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Then her car imploded into the driver in front. 1.00

00:24:26.000 They were both killed in the accident.

00:24:29.000 Both Christians, both community servants.

00:24:32.000 One a teacher, one a nurse.

00:24:34.000 So that was a testimony in Fairhope, Alabama, and she sounds like she's from the Midwest, and I'm not sure if the driver was illegal or not, but albeit very powerful testimony there.

00:24:47.000 So Jeff, I'm curious, has the governor of Alabama come out and spoken against the potential resettling of these foreigners, saying that there will be no resettlement in the state of Alabama?

00:24:57.000 Governor Ivey's spoken out against it, but here's the way they caveat it.

00:25:00.000 It's like our hands are tied.

00:25:02.000 This is a federal issue.

00:25:05.000 The federal government can do what it wants to do, which obviously to a lot of people here is kind of underwhelming, I think.

00:25:12.000 But the governor's paid lip service, lieutenant governor, the attorney general, the upper echelons of state government have at least rhetorically pushed back against it.

00:25:22.000 But I don't know that they are necessarily exercising all the tools at their disposal.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, I just, what percentage of the people in Alabama do you think would be okay with this kind of resettlement program?

00:25:36.000 I would say very few, maybe 10-15%.

00:25:38.000 I mean, there's some people who are true believers here, don't get me wrong, but the resettlement program, it's very curious.

00:25:46.000 You can resettle a lot of immigrants or refugee asylum seekers.

00:25:51.000 in Alabama and not really face any political repercussions.

00:25:55.000 It's just kind of curious that this is all happening right in the middle of a presidential

00:26:00.000 election. But like sources tell me or tell in 1819 News, like look, they see that January 20th

00:26:06.000 deadline approaching and what if Trump is elected, well, he's going to rescind this CHNV

00:26:13.000 program.

00:26:14.000 And then what the potential next step would be when we deport these asylum seekers or whatever you want to call them, the Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans back to their home countries. 0.56

00:26:27.000 Well, he's tried this before and you can go back to the travel ban when Trump was first elected president.

00:26:31.000 The first thing we saw when he tried to use his executive authority was these liberal storefronts, ACLU, SPLC types.

00:26:38.000 Run to federal court, they'll go find a federal judge, they'll get an injunction, that will stall the process, it'll be appealed in an appeals court, and then eventually the Supreme Court will rule on it, but that could be up to three years away, so it's like they're buying time here, but in the meantime they have this set amount of Haitian refugees or Venezuelans or whoever it is, they're trying to, I think, trying to settle at different places around the country. 0.68

00:27:04.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:27:05.000 And, I mean, look, the American people don't want this, yet it keeps on getting force-fed to us.

00:27:09.000 Jeff, tell us about your news outlet and how people can support you.

00:27:11.000 It's 1819news, 1819news.com, where it's kind of a state-based, you know, we need more of this around the country, but at the state level, trying to promote the conservative values, at least getting conservative perspective out there and make sure that those issues are at least being talked about and brought about in a way that's meaningful and maybe impactful.

00:27:33.000 So it's 1819news.com.

00:27:36.000 Jeff, thank you so much.

00:27:37.000 Thanks for having me.

00:27:38.000 Blake, it seems as if this is a pattern where they're flooding the reddest areas of the country. 0.98

00:27:42.000 Why is that?

00:27:45.000 One, I feel it's... Is it retaliation?

00:27:48.000 Yeah, I do think... I would be shocked if there aren't at least a few people who think these are beachheads to get people into these communities, but a lot of it's also they can justify it.

00:27:58.000 It's cheaper, you know, it's cheaper to live there.

00:28:00.000 You often have local It feels dramatic to say this, but like collaborators who say a lot of these places might have falling populations and they say this is how we get workers because we struggle.

00:28:10.000 That's what the excuse is in Springfield.

00:28:12.000 Business owners say we can't get anyone to work here and these Haitians are showing up and they do work. 0.99

00:28:18.000 It's great.

00:28:18.000 And so let's bring in even more of them.

00:28:21.000 It is.

00:28:21.000 I think it's retaliation.

00:28:23.000 You vote for Trump.

00:28:24.000 We flood your community with Haitians. 0.99

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00:29:30.000 Blake, what is going on with Israel?

00:29:32.000 All right, yes.

00:29:33.000 Man, it feels like we were talking about this every day for a while.

00:29:35.000 And explain the actors.

00:29:36.000 What is Hezbollah, Lebanon, all that?

00:29:38.000 So yeah, big picture.

00:29:39.000 So first, people, if you're looking at the news, you'll see there's conflict between

00:29:43.000 Israel and Hezbollah now, airstrikes possible, ground invasion coming.

00:29:48.000 Big picture.

00:29:50.000 This goes back decades.

00:29:51.000 Hezbollah is a kind of political party-slash-paramilitary organization-slash-terrorist group that operates out of southern Lebanon.

00:30:02.000 Lebanon is the country immediately north of Israel.

00:30:05.000 They are notably Shia Muslims, so that's the same group that is in Iran, so that's different from most Muslims in the area.

00:30:13.000 Most Muslims are Sunni Muslims.

00:30:16.000 So they're Shia, they're allies of Iran, and they basically fought Israel back in the 1980s when Israel was involved in Lebanon, there was a civil war there.

00:30:27.000 They've had a lot of clashes since then.

00:30:29.000 Israel briefly invaded Lebanon in, I think it was 2006, and they're one of those parties that loves shooting rockets at Israel all of the time. 0.74

00:30:38.000 They are a much more formidable group than Hamas is. 0.84

00:30:43.000 Hamas only really operates out of Gaza.

00:30:46.000 They're very marginal and weak.

00:30:48.000 Hezbollah is a lot more significant.

00:30:49.000 They've been getting a lot of funding from Iran for years.

00:30:53.000 They also were involved in the Syrian civil war.

00:30:55.000 They fought to help Bashar Assad stay in power.

00:30:59.000 So a lot of the guys have fought quite a bit.

00:31:01.000 They have tens of thousands of fighters.

00:31:03.000 And so there's always been some level of conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

00:31:08.000 It went up a lot about a year ago when the October 7th attack happened, Israel invades Gaza, and sort of out of solidarity with Hamas, Hezbollah upped their rocket attacks into Israel.

00:31:20.000 And then, again, there's back-and-forth strikes.

00:31:24.000 What really sent it up again over the summer, there was a rocket attack on, I believe, a soccer practice field in the Golan Heights, and it killed, I think, 12 people and, like, children.

00:31:36.000 And this was bad enough, it was a huge story in Israel, huge deal, and I think it killed members of the Druze minority, so it wasn't even an attack on Jews, it was an attack on a different religious group.

00:31:47.000 And on top of that, it was so bad, Hezbollah actually has denied responsibility for this, which they normally don't do that.

00:31:54.000 So, again, back and forth.

00:31:55.000 A couple, I think last week, there was a very fun story because Israel... We didn't cover it at all.

00:32:01.000 We didn't cover it, which is a tragedy.

00:32:03.000 The pagers?

00:32:04.000 Yes.

00:32:04.000 So Israel appears to have somehow got into the supply chain for the pagers used by Hezbollah, and they loaded them with explosives.

00:32:11.000 It doesn't look like they hacked it, just hacked it.

00:32:13.000 It looks like they literally put explosives in their pager devices.

00:32:17.000 And then they blew them all up, and so they killed several dozen members of Hezbollah, and several others received, you know, sex change surgeries involuntarily.

00:32:28.000 And so now, it's all ramping up.

00:32:31.000 The reason you should care about this is... This might be a legit war.

00:32:34.000 This is one, if Israel like invades Lebanon, that is a much bigger deal than them going into Gaza. 0.65

00:32:40.000 This is not a place Israel occupies.

00:32:42.000 This is a much more formidable force.

00:32:44.000 And it's one that's much more directly allied with Iran.

00:32:46.000 Like, yeah, Iran sponsors terrorist groups all over, but this is the number one Iranian client group.

00:32:52.000 So if you were going to have a surprise war in October, that is another giant conflict under the Biden administration, this is how it could happen.

00:33:00.000 And so, but what, help me understand, Israel going to war with Hezbollah is related or unrelated to October 7th?

00:33:11.000 It's related in the sense that October 7th greatly increased the tensions all over the place.

00:33:17.000 And so it did lead to more rocket attacks on them.

00:33:20.000 And I think it also just, it put Israel on much more of a war footing overall.

00:33:25.000 So they've been more combative against some of these groups.

00:33:28.000 So they've done more stuff in the West Bank, more stuff against Lebanon.

00:33:32.000 So they've done a bunch of airstrikes over the last year in Lebanon that's killed a few hundred people.

00:33:39.000 I mean, mostly Hezbollah members.

00:33:41.000 And just has a lot of potential for it to ramp up.

00:33:45.000 And of course, that increases the danger of a regional war.

00:33:49.000 And frankly, because of the political situation, increases the risk of a conflict that people will try to drag us into.

00:33:56.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:57.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:59.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 25, 2024

Is Crime Really Down? What's the Truth? ft. Heather Mac Donald

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