The Charlie Kirk Show - May 13, 2025


Is It Time To Pull the Covid Shots Off the Market?


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Trump signs the Most Favored Nation Status for the United States, which means Americans will now get the same prices as other wealthy nations. This is a big step in the right direction, and I think it will have a big impact.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 Dr. Marty McCary, Commissioner of the FDA, joins the program and he makes some major news.
00:00:09.000 We talk about, should the COVID shot still be on the schedule for children, the child vaccination schedule?
00:00:15.000 We talk about the food pyramid and are we going to get rid of...
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00:01:47.000 Great honor to have with us the commissioner of the FDA and on this very exciting news day, Dr. Marty McCary.
00:01:57.000 Doctor, great to see you.
00:01:58.000 Congratulations in your role, of course.
00:02:01.000 Tell us the significance of President Trump's announcement and declaration today.
00:02:06.000 Well, thanks, Charlie.
00:02:07.000 Great to see you and good to be with you.
00:02:09.000 So, politicians have been talking about this for a long time.
00:02:12.000 And this is one of those common sense things that nobody has been willing to actually do.
00:02:17.000 And this is what I love about President Trump.
00:02:19.000 Here you have Americans paying 10, 12, or 15 times more for the same medication that Germans or British folks or people in France are getting.
00:02:31.000 At the lower price.
00:02:32.000 And nobody has said, stop, wait a minute, what's going on here?
00:02:35.000 By the way, sometimes these are American companies that are price-gouging Americans as other wealthy nations get these sweetheart low prices.
00:02:44.000 So the president has basically said, no longer.
00:02:47.000 And he's not saying it as a, you know, looking for small incremental changes.
00:02:53.000 He wants dramatic changes to create a level playing field.
00:02:57.000 He wants to make sure Americans can get the same most favored nation status price that these other countries are getting.
00:03:04.000 And I think you're going to see a real change in the price of these medications when you pick them up at the pharmacy and in the medical bill.
00:03:14.000 Meaningful changes that are going to be pretty massive.
00:03:17.000 So talk about what is most favored nation status.
00:03:21.000 This sounds so rational.
00:03:23.000 This sounds so common sense.
00:03:26.000 Tell us what is favored nation status.
00:03:28.000 And then, if you will, strongman the opposition argument as to what is some of the opposition we can expect now that this has been signed.
00:03:36.000 Yeah, good point.
00:03:36.000 So most favored nation status is a declaration that Americans deserve the best price of a medication that is sold to wealthy countries, what we call OECD countries.
00:03:50.000 So we're not saying we need the price that Ethiopia has or other poor countries.
00:03:56.000 We're saying...
00:03:57.000 We want the price that wealthy nations get.
00:04:00.000 They negotiate prices.
00:04:01.000 They have a free market.
00:04:02.000 Why is the United States paying for all this R&D and upfront costs from basically price-gouging Americans? 0.97
00:04:08.000 Now, some will say that it will mean lower profits for pharma.
00:04:13.000 Well, pharma has to figure out why they are charging such a lower price in other countries.
00:04:20.000 They need to reconcile this massive disparity.
00:04:24.000 And some might say that...
00:04:26.000 There might be less money for R&D.
00:04:29.000 Well, I don't think so.
00:04:30.000 Pharma's pretty smart.
00:04:31.000 They're going to create a level playing field because we are asking them to, and we're doing it in a kind way, but we are also letting them know that we have the full regulatory authority of Medicare, of the Federal Trade Commission.
00:04:44.000 Of the trade representative of the Department of Justice to ensure no monopoly pricing.
00:04:50.000 And even at FDA, we have good relationships with pharma, and we also have some carrots and sticks.
00:04:55.000 So you're seeing an incredible coordinated effort come around now to try to bring this, to bring it home, and to actually make it happen.
00:05:04.000 This is something politicians have talked about, but no one's made it happen.
00:05:07.000 They've probably been worried about the pharma lobby, which is a massive lobby in Washington, D.C. I actually think...
00:05:14.000 When we see lower prices for Americans, you're going to see more access for lower income and minority communities. 0.89
00:05:22.000 They have had a tough time paying high prices in the healthcare system across the board.
00:05:28.000 Hospital bills, doctor's bills, drug prices.
00:05:32.000 So we're actually going to see more access, not less, as some may argue, when they say that...
00:05:38.000 You know, R&D is going to take a hit from this.
00:05:41.000 That's going to mean less drugs available.
00:05:43.000 I think you're going to see more availability.
00:05:45.000 Yeah, so that has been the response I've received just by text messages, friends, donors to Turning Point.
00:05:50.000 Oh, my goodness, this is going to bankrupt the pharmaceutical incentive model.
00:05:54.000 But I think, first of all, their profits are at all-time highs.
00:05:59.000 And again, it's amazing to me that Joe Biden didn't do this.
00:06:03.000 Barack Obama didn't do this.
00:06:04.000 Is this just a matter of the act of the will?
00:06:07.000 It took enough courage to stand up to the pharmaceutical companies?
00:06:10.000 Is it as simple as that?
00:06:12.000 Yes, it is, because Barack Obama talked about doing this.
00:06:15.000 Bernie Sanders has talked about this a fair bit.
00:06:18.000 Bill Clinton talked about this.
00:06:19.000 As a matter of fact, in his second term, he talked about it a lot.
00:06:22.000 But all of them came short of actually doing it, because it takes a bold move where you're willing to go up against massive special interests and lobbyists to get this done.
00:06:33.000 But it's also something that sort of pulls very low among the lobbyist community, but pulls very high on Main Street among everyday Americans.
00:06:43.000 So I think you're going to see some really amazing activity on this, and I'm excited to be a part of it.
00:06:48.000 Yeah, and so let's go deeper into that.
00:06:50.000 I mean, so many Americans have to go into medical debt and have to compromise their lifestyle for necessary drug medications.
00:06:57.000 I'm sure that you have a lot of data to support that.
00:07:01.000 There's a debate now of how much money people actually save.
00:07:04.000 What estimates do you say that the average American can now save on their prescription drugs?
00:07:11.000 Well, we're going to say we're going to work hard at this.
00:07:13.000 There's a lot of things we can do at FDA.
00:07:15.000 One of the...
00:07:17.000 Main issues in drug pricing is monopoly pricing.
00:07:22.000 So at the FDA, we can do more to bring more generics to market.
00:07:25.000 We can move drugs to over-the-counter, where there's more price transparency.
00:07:29.000 And we can also facilitate the generic version of these expensive drugs called biologics.
00:07:36.000 They're the things that are running nonstop.
00:07:38.000 After I do a TV interview, they, you know, OK, thank you, Dr. McCary, for coming on.
00:07:43.000 And then nonstop ads for these biologics.
00:07:46.000 Why?
00:07:46.000 Is it because there's an epidemic that's new around the conditions that they treat?
00:07:51.000 No, it's because they're gouging Americans and the proxy payers for Americans, their employer groups and their insurance plans.
00:07:58.000 And so those biologics have generic versions that are much less expensive.
00:08:03.000 They're called biosimilars.
00:08:05.000 And the FDA has been slow to get those biosimilars to market.
00:08:09.000 There's a lot of reasons for it.
00:08:11.000 We're going to streamline that.
00:08:12.000 And we're going to encourage more biologics.
00:08:14.000 And let's remember, we got the Maha Commission report coming out next Thursday, May 22nd.
00:08:20.000 And the best way to lower drug prices in the United States are to stop taking drugs we don't need.
00:08:27.000 That's right.
00:08:28.000 I'm so glad.
00:08:28.000 So this is a breakthrough to hear from the FDA commissioner.
00:08:32.000 This is why I work so hard to get President Trump elected.
00:08:35.000 Is it true, Mr. Director, that we don't need a pill for every ill?
00:08:39.000 We don't, and it's not helping.
00:08:41.000 The more antidepressants we prescribe, the more depression there is.
00:08:45.000 The more ADHD medications we prescribe, the more ADHD there is.
00:08:49.000 The more opioids that were prescribed, the more opioid addiction there is.
00:08:53.000 I mean, we are going backwards.
00:08:55.000 We're not in a good place.
00:08:56.000 We're watching our nation's kids sick.
00:09:00.000 Putting their hand on their belly because they don't feel well, that makes them depressed.
00:09:04.000 It brings on so many problems.
00:09:06.000 There's learning loss.
00:09:07.000 There's all kinds of neurodegenerative disorders that are on the rise.
00:09:12.000 I was told a lot of lies in medical school.
00:09:15.000 One of them was that Alzheimer's was going up because we have an aging population that's expanding.
00:09:21.000 Well, guess what?
00:09:22.000 Early-onset Alzheimer's has gone up threefold.
00:09:26.000 In recent decades, that's not explained by an expanding early population.
00:09:30.000 Kids are not overweight and have diabetes and prediabetes because of a willpower problem.
00:09:37.000 This is something adults have done to children.
00:09:39.000 And the F in FDA stands for food, which is why we're looking not just at removing all petroleum-based food dyes, as we announced two weeks ago.
00:09:47.000 We're looking at all chemical ingredients in the U.S. food supply that are banned in other countries that have concerning health issues.
00:09:55.000 And that is our focus.
00:09:56.000 It's on food, not just on drugs.
00:09:59.000 Are you challenging these pharmaceutical companies about the efficacy and the safety of some of these drugs?
00:10:08.000 Sometimes these drugs have side effects that a lot of people are not always properly read into.
00:10:13.000 About one minute remaining.
00:10:14.000 Absolutely.
00:10:15.000 Look, we have to safeguard public safety.
00:10:18.000 That is the number one mission of the FDA.
00:10:21.000 That means no more pill-popping having no idea what you're taking.
00:10:25.000 It means we take a look at ads on television to make sure you're getting accurate claims as to what the side effects are.
00:10:33.000 So we are going to use the full extent of all the regulatory authority we have to make sure people are properly informed.
00:10:39.000 And not just...
00:10:40.000 We are drugging our nation's kids at scale.
00:10:43.000 And nobody has been talking about root causes.
00:10:46.000 We need to look at everything.
00:10:51.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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00:11:57.000 What a change it is versus what happened to Joe Biden.
00:12:00.000 So a question, doctor, that I'm getting from a lot of people.
00:12:04.000 And I know that you're getting it as well.
00:12:06.000 And feel free to answer it however you feel appropriate.
00:12:10.000 Is whether the COVID shot will remain on the child vaccination schedule.
00:12:15.000 And I know that this is hotly debated.
00:12:17.000 We believe on this program it should not be on the child vaccination schedule.
00:12:21.000 Are you guys thinking about this?
00:12:23.000 Your thoughts, Commissioner?
00:12:25.000 Look, I'd love to see the evidence to show that giving young, healthy children another COVID shot, you know, a sixth COVID booster, would help them.
00:12:35.000 But that evidence does not exist.
00:12:37.000 And so we're not just going to rubber stamp things at the FDA.
00:12:40.000 And I don't think you're going to see a push at the CDC to be pushing COVID shots in young, healthy children.
00:12:49.000 That is something that's being discussed right now.
00:12:51.000 I think you're going to see some announcement on that.
00:12:54.000 But I know they are trying to review all of the scientific data.
00:12:59.000 And guess what?
00:13:00.000 There's no data.
00:13:01.000 There's no good randomized control data that the current version, the latest formulation of the COVID shot is necessary for young, healthy children.
00:13:11.000 Other countries have already recommended against it.
00:13:14.000 Other leading countries in Europe have recommended against it for young, healthy children.
00:13:19.000 So I think you're going to see a look at this and you're going to hear something forthcoming.
00:13:24.000 Well, I'm thrilled to hear that.
00:13:25.000 And as you know, the significance also is once you are on the childhood vaccination schedule, with it becomes other immunity protections.
00:13:32.000 So there's other kind of very sinister elements associated, the liability protections.
00:13:38.000 So, Mr. Commissioner, what I love about your approach is that the FDA sometimes only focuses on the D and not the F. It seems as if all the focus is on the drugs and not the food.
00:13:49.000 One of the, let's just say, charter mission statements of my life and of this program is that the thing you do the most is the stuff you eat, so you should be eating good stuff, not bad stuff.
00:13:59.000 Are you thinking of blowing up the food pyramid?
00:14:03.000 This is like the third rail.
00:14:04.000 I know that this might have a whole committee associated with it, but how we ever got to the place where we think that carbohydrates like gluten and wheat and rice are better for you than healthy fats and meat.
00:14:16.000 The entire food pyramid, honestly, is I think largely propaganda by some of our food companies.
00:14:22.000 I know that's another tough issue to tackle, but talk about the F in the FDA, please.
00:14:28.000 Well, I think at minimum it's propaganda.
00:14:31.000 It's probably one of the greatest pieces of misinformation put out by the United States government on health is that food pyramid.
00:14:37.000 It was not about what's good for your health.
00:14:40.000 It was about what companies wanted you to buy.
00:14:43.000 And so that has done a tremendous amount of damage in all seriousness.
00:14:47.000 You have kids now that are growing up sick because of that food pyramid.
00:14:52.000 You have companies that got rich because of that food pyramid.
00:14:56.000 You have...
00:14:58.000 Doctors and scientists who put their head in the sand because they were afraid to challenge that food pyramid.
00:15:03.000 Well, we're not afraid to challenge it.
00:15:05.000 The FDA is actively involved in revising our nutrition guidance.
00:15:09.000 The secretary has asked us to make that front and center.
00:15:13.000 You're going to see a new framework for health put out by the Maha Commission next week.
00:15:18.000 You're seeing an enlightenment right now, recognizing it's not calories in, calories out.
00:15:24.000 That's the...
00:15:24.000 That's the old misinformation dogma.
00:15:27.000 It matters what those calories are.
00:15:29.000 Your macros.
00:15:30.000 That's right.
00:15:31.000 Exactly.
00:15:31.000 Your macros.
00:15:32.000 You can't just pump in ultra-processed foods and think, you know, all sugar can be broken down into a calorie energy expenditure.
00:15:42.000 It matters.
00:15:43.000 People have got to be eating whole foods, natural foods, things that appear in nature.
00:15:48.000 And we have turned a blind eye to that as a government until now.
00:15:52.000 The final one, Doctor, and I know this is another toughie, just something to think about, is one of the reasons why the pharmaceutical companies are able to basically put forward a pill for every ill is the fact that they're able to dominate our news networks.
00:16:07.000 I know you talked about this during COVID, and they're able to buy so much.
00:16:11.000 Television advertising.
00:16:12.000 Is it even legal to say that you're not allowed to advertise certain drugs on TV?
00:16:16.000 Is it good for us?
00:16:17.000 Has the amount of advertising that pharmaceutical companies do, has it improved the health of our Americans?
00:16:22.000 And what are you guys thinking about here?
00:16:23.000 Well, we're looking at that, Charlie.
00:16:25.000 The Secretary and the President have asked us to look at that because people may not be getting a fair representation of what these drugs do and their side effects.
00:16:33.000 You're not always dancing and singing every time you take one of these medications.
00:16:38.000 I mean, sometimes you watch these commercials nonstop and you think, okay, I give up.
00:16:42.000 I'll take it.
00:16:42.000 I don't know what it's for, but I'll take it.
00:16:44.000 And so we're looking at everything.
00:16:46.000 As you may know, one of my first actions as FDA commissioner was to remove pharma and industry members Phenomenal.
00:16:56.000 wherever statutorily possible.
00:16:57.000 We want American pharma companies to thrive and businesses doing business in the United States to thrive.
00:17:03.000 But we want a user-friendly process for pharma.
00:17:06.000 We want to partner with them.
00:17:08.000 We want to facilitate innovation and discoveries and cures.
00:17:12.000 But the scientific review process and the integrity of the FDA must remain independent.
00:17:18.000 And that is our Phenomenal.
00:17:22.000 Ban it all.
00:17:23.000 There's no good use to be able to advertise, I don't know, this nonsense on TV of people dancing in the hills and the meadows.
00:17:31.000 Ban it.
00:17:32.000 We'd be a better country because of it.
00:17:34.000 Thank you so much, Commissioner.
00:17:36.000 Great to see you.
00:17:36.000 Thank you.
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00:18:41.000 We are just having a great conversation with my friend here, Colin Plume.
00:18:44.000 Colin, great to see you.
00:18:45.000 We were talking about not drinking.
00:18:47.000 Yes, yes.
00:18:47.000 We should talk about that in a second.
00:18:49.000 Yeah, please.
00:18:49.000 Yeah, so I saw your interview with Newsom, and it was a great interview overall.
00:18:53.000 Thank you.
00:18:53.000 But the thing that stuck with me is he asked you about why you quit drinking, and you said, I want to be more successful, or I want to be successful.
00:18:59.000 I wanted to be more successful, right?
00:19:01.000 More successful, yeah.
00:19:02.000 I quit drinking a year and a half ago, and I'm actually writing a book about it that will come out.
00:19:07.000 About quitting drinking?
00:19:08.000 Yeah.
00:19:08.000 That's amazing.
00:19:09.000 Tell me about that.
00:19:10.000 And what it's done for my life.
00:19:12.000 Well, I think as a business owner and a father, even if you didn't drink all week and then Friday night you had a few, I would wake up Saturday morning and just be tired and not engaged with my kids as much as I wanted to.
00:19:28.000 So that was one aspect.
00:19:30.000 And then it was just the ups and downs of owning a business.
00:19:32.000 You know, the stress, the anxiety.
00:19:33.000 I mean, you know.
00:19:34.000 And I wanted to just test it out.
00:19:37.000 So I had a major surgery.
00:19:38.000 I had my hip replaced.
00:19:39.000 And I said, I'm just going to try it after the surgery.
00:19:41.000 And I just felt better and better.
00:19:43.000 And I felt quicker.
00:19:45.000 And I think the most important thing is that I was able to...
00:19:48.000 Like, when I had struggles, I was able to recover from them quicker, right?
00:19:53.000 I mean, I don't know how it's affected.
00:19:55.000 No, I mean, look, I haven't had a drink in, what, four or five years?
00:19:58.000 And I was never a serious drinker at all.
00:20:01.000 But it was one of those conscious decisions that, you know, I wanted to be more successful.
00:20:08.000 And I would go long—by the way, I would go like a year without a drinker, nine months, right?
00:20:11.000 But I wasn't like hard stop.
00:20:14.000 And then I got married with my wife, Erica, and I was like, I want to go to the next level.
00:20:18.000 I want to remember things with more clarity.
00:20:20.000 I want to be sharper.
00:20:21.000 I want to be more precise.
00:20:22.000 I want to be able to study.
00:20:24.000 And then I also, to your point, the mornings are way better.
00:20:28.000 Way better.
00:20:29.000 Absolutely.
00:20:29.000 And also, you do not sleep.
00:20:32.000 I mean, literally, you do not sleep if you have too much alcohol in your system.
00:20:36.000 Correct.
00:20:36.000 Your body's not sleeping.
00:20:37.000 You're just sedated.
00:20:38.000 You don't get into actual deep breath.
00:20:40.000 I'm sure you've done all the research on this.
00:20:41.000 Oh, yeah.
00:20:41.000 And I have a good friend that...
00:20:43.000 I've been trying to convince him to take some time off.
00:20:45.000 And the first month that he stopped, he's like, I'm not sleeping as well.
00:20:50.000 And I'm like, actually, you're finally sleeping.
00:20:52.000 You're actually finally sleeping.
00:20:53.000 He just didn't know what sleep was.
00:20:55.000 Correct.
00:20:56.000 And by the way, that increases your inflammatory markers and all that.
00:20:59.000 Sure.
00:20:59.000 Do you think it's helped your business?
00:21:01.000 100%.
00:21:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:04.000 Clarity, conversations, employees, interactions.
00:21:08.000 I'm a pretty even-keeled person, generally.
00:21:11.000 But from time to time, I would get frustrated.
00:21:15.000 Most of that's gone.
00:21:16.000 Frustration with your kids has gone.
00:21:18.000 It's never gone away, but it's gone down.
00:21:20.000 But you're more centered.
00:21:21.000 You're more present.
00:21:21.000 Correct.
00:21:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:23.000 It's just been a really smooth...
00:21:24.000 I'd say the hardest part was the reaction from other people.
00:21:28.000 People are a little taken aback by it.
00:21:31.000 See, I don't mind as much.
00:21:33.000 You're used to that.
00:21:35.000 Honestly, when I break it down with people, they're like, honestly, I have to drink because it would look weird if business.
00:21:41.000 How do you overcome that?
00:21:43.000 I don't know.
00:21:43.000 I just go into all the social settings like everybody else, and then I just...
00:21:48.000 I can hang out in any environment, and I just talk.
00:21:51.000 It's amazing.
00:21:51.000 You can still talk without the social lubricant.
00:21:54.000 I can still communicate.
00:21:54.000 Yeah, I can still do it.
00:21:55.000 And I don't judge anybody.
00:21:57.000 If they come to me and they want to ask questions or whatever, but I have found a lot of people around me have slowed down just because they have seen what it's done for me.
00:22:06.000 And I haven't pushed it, but I think it's becoming more of the norm.
00:22:13.000 Oh, it's becoming trendy right now.
00:22:14.000 Trendy, yeah.
00:22:15.000 And again, I'm not doing this to start a trend.
00:22:16.000 It's just...
00:22:17.000 From Dennis Prager, who we should pray for, amazing man, Tucker Carlson, President Trump, to Elon barely drinks.
00:22:24.000 He's not like, I don't drink.
00:22:25.000 I think he might have wanted to drink a year.
00:22:26.000 The top performing people I've ever been around, they are very against alcohol, against substances.
00:22:33.000 And they'll tell you.
00:22:33.000 They perform better.
00:22:34.000 They think clearer.
00:22:35.000 They have better memory, better recall, more energy, more pace.
00:22:39.000 And I also find that some of the people that drink the most, they're hiding something.
00:22:43.000 They're mashing something.
00:22:44.000 So it's just so amazing.
00:22:45.000 Yeah, it has been.
00:22:46.000 It's been extraordinary.
00:22:48.000 And just to be able to gather more information, I feel like I can just take in a lot.
00:22:53.000 Without a doubt.
00:22:54.000 And if you and I have a conversation, I want to remember more.
00:22:58.000 Well, and people say, Charlie, how do you remember all this stuff?
00:23:01.000 First of all, I have a good memory.
00:23:02.000 I work hard.
00:23:03.000 I eat very clean.
00:23:05.000 But also, I don't drink.
00:23:06.000 I'm not poisoning my body.
00:23:08.000 Again, I don't mean to attack people that drink.
00:23:10.000 Plenty of good people do, but it is poison.
00:23:12.000 It is actual poison.
00:23:14.000 Your body...
00:23:16.000 Metabolizes it as if it is an arsenic.
00:23:18.000 Yeah, 100%.
00:23:19.000 Yeah, I mean, Andrew Huberman has lots of videos, and I've watched that.
00:23:22.000 It's bad for her skin. 0.97
00:23:22.000 It's bad for her sleep. 0.97
00:23:23.000 It's bad for all those things.
00:23:24.000 Everything, yeah.
00:23:25.000 So it's been good, and yeah, it's definitely helped, and we've been so busy, you know.
00:23:30.000 Well, yeah, let's talk about that.
00:23:31.000 So, I mean, it's a great connection.
00:23:32.000 So now you're like superpower Colin, right?
00:23:35.000 Superhuman.
00:23:36.000 Thank you.
00:23:36.000 And what a time.
00:23:37.000 So just for everyone's background, I need to do a good job introducing.
00:23:40.000 Colin Plume here for NobleGoldInvestments.com.
00:23:42.000 They are our partner for gold, silver, all that good stuff.
00:23:46.000 Precious metals, yeah.
00:23:46.000 Yeah, precious metals is the right way to say it.
00:23:49.000 NobleGoldInvestments.com.
00:23:50.000 We have you on frequently.
00:23:51.000 We love talking about economic news, but you've had a surprisingly good year.
00:23:56.000 It's a good time not to be drinking.
00:23:57.000 Yes.
00:23:58.000 What's going on with gold and silver?
00:23:59.000 Yeah, well, I think that...
00:24:02.000 When President Trump got elected, people didn't know what was happening in the markets.
00:24:07.000 I think everyone just paused for a few months.
00:24:11.000 And then once he moved forward with his agenda, which the big agenda would be the tariff conversation, I think a lot of the money didn't know what was going to happen.
00:24:22.000 And so we just had this real flight to safety.
00:24:26.000 Coupled with the fact that the last quarter, I don't know if you remember, but...
00:24:29.000 When we were talking about gold last year, which was already running, the U.S. retail market was late to the game.
00:24:35.000 So the European market was buying.
00:24:38.000 Central banks have been buying.
00:24:40.000 They bought 1,000 tons of gold for four years in a row.
00:24:42.000 But our U.S. market was late.
00:24:44.000 So the last quarter of last year, they started to dive into gold.
00:24:48.000 You started to hear about it.
00:24:49.000 Hedge funds are buying gold.
00:24:51.000 Big groups, Apollo Group, all these started buying gold.
00:24:53.000 Sure, by Mark Rowan.
00:24:54.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:24:58.000 Well, still, they didn't know where to go.
00:25:00.000 They didn't know what's going to happen.
00:25:01.000 Is inflation going to be around?
00:25:03.000 How is that going to affect things?
00:25:04.000 So gold started to go up.
00:25:05.000 So since President Trump's been in office, gold is up 34%.
00:25:09.000 And so here's what's amazing about that, is that, well, there's a lot.
00:25:12.000 And I'm actually going to just fact-check myself here.
00:25:14.000 So while gold was going up, Bitcoin was going down.
00:25:20.000 And that actually was a really interesting...
00:25:22.000 Test of what do you trust more?
00:25:23.000 Again, I'm very pro-crypto.
00:25:25.000 But when the cards were down, the actual flight for safety was not cryptography.
00:25:30.000 It was gold.
00:25:32.000 That must have been very educational.
00:25:33.000 Yeah, and I think we've been seeing this for a long time.
00:25:37.000 And also...
00:25:38.000 Gold hadn't moved up as much as some of the other things that had gone up with inflation.
00:25:42.000 I mean, we all saw all the inflationary numbers over the last two years of electricity costs and everything that had gone up pretty substantially, but gold hadn't moved.
00:25:51.000 But yeah, I think it was a testament to gold that...
00:25:54.000 Investors that were typically gun-shy were diving into gold.
00:25:58.000 And the U.S. sentiment right now, they just came out with a report, 25% of Americans feel more confident about gold than they feel about the dollar and they feel even about equities.
00:26:08.000 But less than 10% of Americans actually own physical gold, so they don't all own it, but they feel pretty good about it.
00:26:15.000 Consumer sentiment, I think, is really telling.
00:26:17.000 When I started the business 16 years ago, I think it was less than 3% or 4% that was interested in gold.
00:26:22.000 So if, again, we don't do investment advice here.
00:26:24.000 We legally cannot.
00:26:25.000 We just present the options.
00:26:26.000 You do whatever you want.
00:26:27.000 NobleGoldInvestments.com.
00:26:28.000 I can, however, vouch for Colin's integrity and his character and how the company up.
00:26:32.000 I will endorse the company.
00:26:34.000 You guys make your own decisions.
00:26:36.000 You have your own agency.
00:26:37.000 But let's talk about facts.
00:26:38.000 If somebody would have listened to one of our partnership...
00:26:42.000 You know, conversations.
00:26:43.000 And they would have been drawn to buy gold a year ago.
00:26:46.000 How would they have done?
00:26:48.000 A year ago, so since Trump got in office, it's up 34%.
00:26:51.000 A year ago today, it's like 42%.
00:26:55.000 42% up, yeah.
00:26:56.000 That's unbelievable.
00:26:57.000 Yeah, so it's outpaced.
00:26:59.000 What about like five years ago?
00:27:01.000 Five years ago, we're in 2020.
00:27:03.000 So 2020.
00:27:04.000 Well, it depends.
00:27:05.000 Yeah, so 20, there was a spike.
00:27:07.000 Let's just say a couple years ago.
00:27:09.000 Yeah, a couple years ago.
00:27:11.000 The thing was is that that $2,000 an ounce was a really telling number.
00:27:15.000 That was like, is it going to bring...
00:27:18.000 It's a psychological barrier.
00:27:19.000 Correct.
00:27:20.000 Like, what's going to happen at $2,000?
00:27:22.000 And I remember people having this conversation.
00:27:24.000 Like, it's got too expensive.
00:27:25.000 It broke $2,000.
00:27:26.000 And it kind of hovered around $2,000 two, three years ago.
00:27:29.000 And then it obviously broke through.
00:27:31.000 But now it's at $3,200.
00:27:33.000 We're at $3,200.
00:27:33.000 Yeah.
00:27:34.000 And today is actually a great day to buy because it's down today because of what happened with the China deal.
00:27:39.000 So it pulled back today.
00:27:40.000 So it's like a stair-step, right?
00:27:42.000 You see these stair-step kind of moves.
00:27:44.000 But the tariff situation, it's like a high-stakes game of musical chairs.
00:27:51.000 And what happened today, the way I think about it, what happened today is that we put one more chair back.
00:27:55.000 We've been pulling chairs away, and we put a chair back, so it feels a little bit better.
00:27:59.000 The stock market bounced.
00:28:01.000 So gold's down today.
00:28:02.000 Silver's very resilient today, so that's pretty interesting.
00:28:06.000 Silver's around $33.
00:28:08.000 $233 today, yeah.
00:28:09.000 So it's up 11% this year.
00:28:12.000 It hasn't had the massive run.
00:28:14.000 That's very good.
00:28:15.000 It's still very good, yeah.
00:28:16.000 It hasn't had the massive run of gold, but silver's different because it's not a monetary metal.
00:28:22.000 It's an industrial metal.
00:28:23.000 It's a technical use metal.
00:28:24.000 It's a technical use metal.
00:28:26.000 So I think if you're looking at where things are right now, and silver still hasn't made that big move, And it has so many industrial uses.
00:28:35.000 I really think silver is going to be interesting.
00:28:37.000 So talk about the incoming of phone calls you're receiving and then the trends that you are processing.
00:28:43.000 Yeah.
00:28:43.000 Well, I think this year has been the most interesting year of phone calls because people have started.
00:28:49.000 They start some paperwork.
00:28:51.000 They get a little bit.
00:28:52.000 And then they're trying to figure out what's going to happen.
00:28:55.000 They're looking at their stocks.
00:28:56.000 They're deciding, what am I going to do?
00:28:58.000 So I think it's been a lot of start-stop.
00:29:00.000 But for a lot of people, People, and this is what we've always said, is this is just one piece of the pie, it's diversification.
00:29:07.000 And people are really liking the idea of getting the actual physical as opposed to the stock form.
00:29:13.000 Yeah, so are you doing a lot of home delivery?
00:29:15.000 Home delivery, and I think that was spurred a lot by what happened with the London Bullion Exchange.
00:29:20.000 What happened there?
00:29:21.000 Basically what happened was that people started calling their contracts right before the tariffs were kicking in, and the London Bullion Exchange didn't have enough gold.
00:29:28.000 And so people were like, well, I have a contract.
00:29:31.000 It's supposed to be there.
00:29:33.000 And what was happening is that people were wanting to get their gold and ship to the U.S. And so the blended bullion exchange is like, sorry, we don't have it.
00:29:40.000 And it's like, well, I own it.
00:29:41.000 It's supposed to be there.
00:29:43.000 And that caused more of a hysteria.
00:29:45.000 Did it create a run?
00:29:46.000 It created a run on gold.
00:29:47.000 People wanted to get their gold.
00:29:48.000 They wanted to get it closer to home.
00:29:49.000 So I think what's happened this year, which has been interesting, is that people have been selling their gold stock and then just buying the real thing.
00:29:56.000 So is there a fractional banking?
00:30:00.000 Well, that's what they're saying.
00:30:02.000 Are you legally allowed to fractionally store gold?
00:30:05.000 I mean, you could if you told people that.
00:30:08.000 No, of course.
00:30:09.000 They didn't tell people that.
00:30:11.000 We all exist in a fractional banking system.
00:30:14.000 The money's not actually there.
00:30:16.000 But if gold's that, that's...
00:30:17.000 Really bad.
00:30:18.000 That's not good, yeah.
00:30:19.000 And that did cause...
00:30:21.000 I mean, we're talking about big institutions at the exchange that wanted it, and they were being told, like, we'll have it in four to six weeks.
00:30:28.000 And it's like, well, you're supposed to have it there all the time.
00:30:32.000 You're not supposed to have it there part-time.
00:30:34.000 Yeah, it's kind of like the Seinfeld episode where Jerry goes to get the rental car.
00:30:41.000 It's like, I have a reservation.
00:30:43.000 Oh, right, right.
00:30:43.000 It'll be a couple hours.
00:30:44.000 No, no, but...
00:30:45.000 It's right here.
00:30:46.000 The car, the reservation.
00:30:47.000 Give me the keys to the car.
00:30:48.000 It's like, I don't know.
00:30:49.000 We'll get it later.
00:30:50.000 We don't have the car.
00:30:50.000 We don't have it.
00:30:51.000 We don't have the car.
00:30:53.000 That's scary.
00:30:54.000 NobleGoldInvestments.com, like 20 seconds.
00:30:56.000 Just talk about the website, how people navigate it.
00:30:58.000 Yeah.
00:30:59.000 NobleGoldInvestments.com.
00:31:01.000 Been in business.
00:31:02.000 It'll be 10 years next year.
00:31:03.000 Obviously, proud partner with Charlie.
00:31:06.000 And yeah, I mean, last week was really telling.
00:31:08.000 We had a client.
00:31:09.000 Talked to another dealer, called us.
00:31:11.000 We saved them over $22,000 on that purchase.
00:31:14.000 We've saved people millions of dollars just because we focus on bullion coins and bars, as you know, the real stuff.
00:31:22.000 So that's what we do.
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00:32:15.000 We're getting lots of emails from you guys, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:19.000 Someone says here, a long time ago, someone told me that in a social setting, people do not care what you drink, but that you drink.
00:32:24.000 So he would order sparkling water on ice, and no one would know the difference.
00:32:28.000 There is some truth there.
00:32:29.000 I always drink sparkling water.
00:32:30.000 Yeah, and I also, I'm of the opinion that it actually is a good conversation starter.
00:32:34.000 We're like, oh, you don't drink?
00:32:35.000 I don't drink, and I'm better for it.
00:32:36.000 You might actually prompt somebody to get out of...
00:32:40.000 Alcoholism.
00:32:41.000 Yeah, and people need that.
00:32:43.000 Sometimes they need that prod. 0.89
00:32:44.000 Or they need to hear somebody.
00:32:46.000 And you shouldn't shame people.
00:32:47.000 That's not what we're saying.
00:32:48.000 No, no, no.
00:32:49.000 Everyone has their free will.
00:32:50.000 They have agency.
00:32:51.000 But also, we need to be clear that it's not good for you.
00:32:55.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:56.000 And you were right.
00:32:57.000 What you said was right.
00:32:58.000 You're more successful.
00:32:59.000 I mean, listen, let's not take away what you've done the last four or five years.
00:33:03.000 I mean, it has a part in your success.
00:33:06.000 Without a doubt, I say this.
00:33:07.000 I could not do what I do if I even had moderate consumption of alcohol.
00:33:12.000 Impossible.
00:33:13.000 So you have to choose.
00:33:14.000 Do you want to be buzzed or do you want to be successful?
00:33:18.000 This one says, Charlie, I drank heavily for 30 plus years.
00:33:21.000 One day I decided I had enough and I never looked back.
00:33:23.000 It's been five years since I had a drink and I don't want another.
00:33:26.000 It has helped me be a better husband, father, employee, and friend.
00:33:31.000 Nice.
00:33:31.000 It's great stuff.
00:33:32.000 Okay.
00:33:33.000 There's this funny kind of...
00:33:36.000 This is why I was laughing.
00:33:37.000 There's this ad in Thailand about stopping drinking.
00:33:39.000 This will make you laugh.
00:33:40.000 Play cut to 26. "Bad!
00:33:42.000 Let's go!" Well
00:33:55.000 that's good.
00:34:13.000 We should run infomercials like that. 0.97
00:34:15.000 We're low on time.
00:34:17.000 NobleGoldInvestments.com.
00:34:18.000 Tell us about the silver-gold ratio.
00:34:21.000 There's only been a few times, very short amount of times, that it's broken this 100 to 1. So 100 ounces of silver to 1 ounce of gold.
00:34:29.000 And typically when you see these kind of ratios, it doesn't stick for a long time.
00:34:35.000 It got down, even in 2011, it got down to 30 to 1. Wow.
00:34:40.000 Which, by the way, if it went even 60 to 1 today...
00:34:44.000 You're talking about silver being well over $100 an ounce.
00:34:48.000 So there's a lot of these silver bugs that believe, like, what's going on with silver?
00:34:52.000 Where is that going to move in? 0.97
00:34:52.000 So the thing that I like about silver is that there is a silver shortage. 0.97
00:34:57.000 It's using everything, solar panels, electricity.
00:35:00.000 I mean, you name it, it's in there.
00:35:02.000 Drones.
00:35:03.000 Yeah, drones, big time.
00:35:04.000 The government, you know, a lot of people know this.
00:35:07.000 The government last year, they buy gold and silver every year.
00:35:09.000 Last year was the first year they bought over $400 million of silver and a little over $100 million in gold.
00:35:16.000 Not for reserve.
00:35:17.000 We wish they bought it for reserve, but they just bought it for industrial uses.
00:35:21.000 And mostly for defense.
00:35:24.000 They use it a lot for drones, all that stuff.
00:35:27.000 They need silver.
00:35:27.000 So I like that usage.
00:35:30.000 18 to 30 grams goes into solar panels.
00:35:32.000 That seems to be growing and growing.
00:35:34.000 So I just like the continued usage.
00:35:37.000 And if you're worried about where gold is and you're worried about the price, I think that there's a story to be told about silver.
00:35:43.000 It hasn't made that big run yet.
00:35:45.000 You have a whole new book, Silver is the New Oil.
00:35:47.000 Correct.
00:35:48.000 I don't know if we're plugging that today or not, but it's great.
00:35:51.000 People can find it at noblegoldinvestments.com.
00:35:53.000 It's at noblegoldinvestments.com.
00:35:55.000 It's great.
00:35:55.000 Very compelling.
00:35:56.000 Yeah, thank you.
00:35:57.000 Yeah, I wanted to catch up to you and all your...
00:35:59.000 Maybe one day I'll be there.
00:36:00.000 I have a new one coming out soon.
00:36:02.000 Oh, you do?
00:36:02.000 Oh, okay.
00:36:03.000 All about the Sabbath. 0.76
00:36:03.000 You'll love it. 0.76
00:36:04.000 Oh, really?
00:36:04.000 Yeah.
00:36:05.000 Oh, okay.
00:36:05.000 But why taking a day off from work could change humanity?
00:36:08.000 Because Prager, didn't he talk to you about doing this?
00:36:10.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:11.000 And I incorporated it in my life.
00:36:13.000 Really?
00:36:13.000 The book is called Stop in the Name of God.
00:36:15.000 Oh, wow.
00:36:16.000 Okay.
00:36:16.000 How honoring the Sabbath will transform your life.
00:36:18.000 Okay.
00:36:19.000 So I'm finally finishing it.
00:36:20.000 Anyway, that's a...
00:36:20.000 I'm excited.
00:36:21.000 Yeah.
00:36:21.000 Oh, you'll love it.
00:36:22.000 No, I say this.
00:36:24.000 It's written to change your life.
00:36:26.000 Yeah.
00:36:26.000 Because you need that day.
00:36:28.000 And you need to work for six and have a whole day for family, for God, to disconnect.
00:36:33.000 And I make an argument that you actually get more done in six days if you take one day of rest than if you were to work all seven straight.
00:36:39.000 I believe it.
00:36:41.000 So the goal of Silver Ratio, you get calls.
00:36:45.000 What is one thing that you wish that you could tell millions of people?
00:36:49.000 Just kind of like, man, I wish everyone knew this educational element about what you're doing.
00:36:54.000 Yeah, I would say the first thing is that you...
00:36:57.000 You're buying the real thing.
00:36:59.000 We sell bullion coins and bars.
00:37:01.000 And when I say that, it means we sell that because it's the highest purity and the lowest.
00:37:06.000 You get the most value.
00:37:08.000 And I think what happens is you go to a lot of websites and you see they have so many different coins and bars.
00:37:12.000 And anytime you make a special coin or special bar, either the company is going to try to make a huge amount or it just costs more or whatever it's going to be.
00:37:19.000 But at the end of the day, all those modern day ones, they're not worth anything different.
00:37:24.000 Listen, if you get an old shipwreck coin, I remember I brought it.
00:37:26.000 I loved it.
00:37:28.000 Okay, that's from 1855.
00:37:30.000 There's only a few of those.
00:37:31.000 But any of this new stuff, focus on weight and purity.
00:37:35.000 The other thing is, what kind of relationship are you going to have with the dealer?
00:37:38.000 And that's where I can vouch and start interjecting.
00:37:41.000 There's a lot of shysters, a lot of bad people in the gold space.
00:37:43.000 Colin's the real deal.
00:37:44.000 Keep going.
00:37:44.000 Yeah, and so people are like, great.
00:37:47.000 Let's say you bought in gold a year or two ago, and then you try to go back to that place, and they don't want to buy it back, or they won't give you a great price.
00:37:54.000 You need a two-way street.
00:37:56.000 The beauty behind us, because we only sell 10 to 12 different products, I'm happy to buy it back because I'm going to sell it to somebody else.
00:38:02.000 I'm not like a pawn shop.
00:38:04.000 I don't have 4,000 different items.
00:38:05.000 So I don't need to be concerned.
00:38:07.000 I'm always going to, you sell me back a bar, I'm going to sell it to the next person.
00:38:10.000 So I think it's important to think about not only how you get in, but also your exit.
00:38:16.000 And it's the same thing in business, right?
00:38:18.000 People always say that, like, if you're going to get into a business, think about who's going to buy you.
00:38:21.000 It's the same thing when you're buying a physical item.
00:38:23.000 You want to know.
00:38:23.000 How are you going to liquidate that later?
00:38:25.000 So that's the thing that I think is most important.
00:38:27.000 And then the last thing is the market's up or down.
00:38:30.000 You want to have a relationship.
00:38:32.000 We build relationships with people.
00:38:34.000 People can call.
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00:38:52.000 Colin, thanks so much.
00:38:53.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:38:53.000 See you guys tomorrow.
00:38:56.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:38:57.000 Email us, as always, Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:39:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.