The Charlie Kirk Show - Is Joe Rogan Appeasing the Mob or Playing the Long Game?

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00:00:02.000 The Joe Rogan problem.

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00:01:52.000 I want to start to cover some of these cultural issues, especially the Joe Rogan story.

00:01:56.000 It's really been weighing on me.

00:01:58.000 But first, how about that football this last weekend, those football games?

00:02:01.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:02:03.000 I'm a big Joe Burrow fan.

00:02:04.000 I always have been.

00:02:05.000 Well, I should say I always have been.

00:02:07.000 For the last couple of years, I have been.

00:02:09.000 Probably one of the most amazing college football seasons ever at LSU and won the Heisman undefeated and is now one of the best NFL quarterbacks out there.

00:02:21.000 And he will be in the Super Bowl against the Los Angeles Rams in their come from behind victory against the 49ers.

00:02:28.000 I know I'm not supposed to be watching football and I get all these people.

00:02:31.000 Charlie, how dare you?

00:02:34.000 I make an allowance for one woke sport, okay?

00:02:36.000 Just one.

00:02:38.000 Okay?

00:02:39.000 The one woke sport that I choose to watch is NFL playoffs.

00:02:44.000 And I guess I watch college football too, but NBA, no way.

00:02:47.000 We're still boycotting and protesting that.

00:02:50.000 Okay, let's get to Joe Rogan here.

00:02:54.000 So Joe Rogan has been a hero, and he has been willing to platform and have conversations with Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Robert Malone.

00:03:05.000 They're not exactly just random people that stayed at a Holiday Express last night.

00:03:10.000 Dr. Peter McCullough is the most published individual in his field of peer-reviewed studies and cardiology.

00:03:18.000 Dr. Robert Malone holds nine patents in mRNA technology.

00:03:24.000 Now, these two podcasts in particular have set the collective pharmaceutical industry media industrial complex completely on fire.

00:03:35.000 So for those of you that might not be Joe Rogan fans or followers of Joe Rogan, let me kind of explain to you how his show works.

00:03:44.000 I've been a kind of, let's say, a convert to the Joe Rogan model.

00:03:50.000 I wasn't a fan at first.

00:03:52.000 Was a little bit too caustic for me, a little bit too much debauchery and swearing, and there's still a fair share of that.

00:04:01.000 But I think that's actually been toned down in the last couple of years and months, especially.

00:04:06.000 Joe Rogan, to his great credit, though, has always been an ambassador of free speech and heterodox ideas.

00:04:13.000 He has been willing to talk about things such as UFOs, aliens, the potential medical benefits of mushrooms, ancient samurai culture and history.

00:04:26.000 I mean, every topic you could possibly imagine Joe Rogan has covered.

00:04:33.000 And Joe Rogan has had conversations about religion and politics.

00:04:37.000 He had Bernie Sanders on his podcast.

00:04:39.000 Now, people try to pin Joe Rogan as a right-winger.

00:04:42.000 I don't think so.

00:04:44.000 Joe Rogan is a truth seeker, and I believe Joe Rogan loves liberty.

00:04:49.000 Joe Rogan also hates tyranny.

00:04:52.000 That has been very clear.

00:04:54.000 And Joe Rogan has always kind of been a man's man.

00:04:58.000 In some sense, Joe Rogan has filled kind of a friendship archetype for a lot of people that are very lonely, especially young men that are very lonely, where they could put on their headphones and they feel as if they get to almost put on the Harry Potter invisibility cloak and listen to Joe Rogan having a whiskey and smoking weed with some of his friends.

00:05:17.000 And in some ways, that is the brilliance of the Joe Rogan experience.

00:05:21.000 The Joe Rogan experience is kind of so impactful, not just because I think Joe's really smart, because I do think he's really smart, because he's honest about what he knows and what he doesn't know, which is kind of this unassuming approach he has where he doesn't really debate his guess.

00:05:38.000 He's just like, yeah, I don't know much about that.

00:05:39.000 Explain it to me.

00:05:40.000 And he asks really good questions.

00:05:41.000 But it's also, it's because they're in such long form and almost the guest forgets he's actually on camera.

00:05:51.000 One of the more famous Joe Rogan moments ever, I don't want to say put him on the map because he was definitely on the map before it, but definitely got Wall Street involved was when Elon Musk, about two-thirds of the way through one of Joe Rogan's episodes, kind of took a hit of weed with him.

00:06:09.000 Tesla's stock went down and there was, I think there were investigations.

00:06:14.000 There was all sorts of things that happened after that.

00:06:17.000 There were calls for Elon to resign and Elon was also, I think, sipping whiskey throughout that.

00:06:23.000 That's actually one of the more interesting episodes ever.

00:06:25.000 Joe Rogan had Alex Jones on multiple times.

00:06:31.000 Now, having Alex Jones on will definitely make you a recipient of heavy criticism from the regime media.

00:06:39.000 But if you really want to get the media upset at you, if you want to get the pharmaceutical companies upset at you, have Dr. McCullough and Dr. Malone on.

00:06:49.000 Now, you might say, Charlie, I don't get this Rogan thing.

00:06:51.000 Well, give you an idea.

00:06:53.000 Rogan's average episode is downloaded and listened to by 11 million people.

00:07:02.000 An average prime time audience of CNN is about 800,000 people.

00:07:10.000 Football Night in America with Chris Collinsworth used to be Al Michaels.

00:07:14.000 Who is it now?

00:07:15.000 I can't remember who the new guy is.

00:07:16.000 Who's the new co-host?

00:07:18.000 Gumble?

00:07:19.000 Something like that?

00:07:21.000 I know Drew Brees is on their roster somewhere.

00:07:23.000 An average Football Night in America on NBC on Sunday night will get between 7 to 9 million viewers.

00:07:30.000 The Super Bowl, by contrast, I think will get 65 to 70 million viewers.

00:07:34.000 That's about right.

00:07:35.000 Maybe 100 million potentially.

00:07:37.000 So Joe Rogan, give you an idea, in one week of commentary reaches the same amount of people as the Super Bowl will in two weeks.

00:07:47.000 That's how big he is.

00:07:49.000 Now, Joe Rogan does not have a massive news network behind him.

00:07:53.000 Joe Rogan does not own a cable news channel.

00:07:55.000 No, it's Joe Rogan in kind of what's called a man cave in the hills of Texas, used to be in Los Angeles, just kind of sits with really interesting people and talks for three hours, four hours, five hours.

00:08:06.000 Now, about a year and a half ago, Joe Rogan signed a record contract with Spotify.

00:08:12.000 Joe Rogan used to post his content everywhere, used to post it on YouTube, used to post it on Apple Podcast in particular.

00:08:19.000 He was consistently one of the top podcasts on Apple Podcast.

00:08:23.000 Spotify came to him, though, with a record-breaking contract.

00:08:27.000 I think it was $100 million signing bonus, basically, not to mention some of the ad revenue and some of the other incentives saying, hey, you're exclusively going to come to Spotify.

00:08:37.000 Now, at the time, this seemed like a great deal for Spotify.

00:08:40.000 Mike Tarico, thank you from Football Night in America.

00:08:42.000 He actually does a really good job.

00:08:44.000 Mike Tarico.

00:08:45.000 And so Joe Rogan, at the time when he signed this deal, it seemed like a winner for Spotify across the board.

00:08:51.000 They're going to compete in the podcast space against Apple.

00:08:54.000 85% of all podcasts, by the way, are on Apple Podcasts.

00:08:57.000 Thank you for subscribing to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:08:59.000 We're in Spotify as well.

00:09:00.000 And Spotify is mostly and mainly a music streaming service used by a lot of different people, very popular, and has grown throughout the years.

00:09:10.000 Acquiring the exclusive rights of Joe Rogan seemed to make all the sense in the world until Joe Rogan started to say things that the employees and the stakeholders of Spotify did not like.

00:09:24.000 And so there's this dilemma that has kind of, let's say, hit the shores of Spotify's island, which is how do we deal with a problem like Joe Rogan?

00:09:35.000 Kind of like, how do you deal with a problem like Maria? 0.99

00:09:37.000 But the difference is that there really shouldn't be a problem.

00:09:41.000 They signed Joe Rogan under the belief that this was going to be the free speech kind of rough around the edges, swearing, talking about things that you might not want your nine or 10 year old to talk about.

00:09:54.000 And let me be very clear.

00:09:55.000 I'm not endorsing every episode of the Joe Rogan experience.

00:09:58.000 There are some incredibly graphic, quasi-Howard Stern episodes of the Joe Rogan experience of people that have lived very colorful lives.

00:10:06.000 But there are other episodes of the Joe Rogan experience that, if you edit it out for swear words, are incredibly interesting and intellectually pure.

00:10:13.000 That's just, you don't know what you're going to get.

00:10:15.000 You don't know what mood the guests are going to be in.

00:10:17.000 You don't know where the topics are going to go.

00:10:19.000 The kind of unexpected, unscripted element of Joe Rogan makes it real and authentic, which is why it's been so successful.

00:10:26.000 But Joe Rogan, having Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Robert Malone on his program, all of a sudden has completely disrupted the matrix because he circumvented the Facebook fact checkers, the YouTube Gestapo, all the people that were previously able to censor ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and skepticism around the vaccine.

00:10:48.000 No, no, no.

00:10:49.000 Joe Rogan found a way to get that truth out to 130 million people outside of the gatekeepers.

00:10:57.000 And for Spotify, that's just kind of been used to streaming Mariah Carey's Christmas song, they did not have the infrastructure or they have no idea what they just put themselves in the middle of.

00:11:08.000 And that includes Joe Rogan as well, by the way.

00:11:10.000 And so Spotify is now the boxing ring of the fight for free speech in the West and whether or not we'll be able to openly communicate.

00:11:22.000 So I do know Neil Young's music.

00:11:25.000 I'd be able to sing it if I heard the lyrics.

00:11:27.000 I never, I could, if you ever told me who Neil Young was, I never heard of him.

00:11:31.000 I just know his music just because it's so popular.

00:11:34.000 He obviously thinks very highly of himself.

00:11:36.000 He thinks everyone knows him.

00:11:38.000 He's a 76-year-old rock titan, Neil Young.

00:11:41.000 Okay, his music's, I mean, I looked up some of his music.

00:11:45.000 I know a lot of the songs.

00:11:46.000 So obviously he's popular.

00:11:48.000 Sent a letter telling his management team and record label that Spotify would have to choose between hosting his music and hosting the hugely popular podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:11:57.000 So basically, Neil Young became like an Iranian hostage taker. 0.87

00:12:02.000 He's like, either you take me or I'm going, you give me like a plane full of cash or I'm going to shoot the hostages.

00:12:10.000 And so Neil Young says, it continues, and alleges that Rogan had broadcast inaccuracies about COVID-19, including hosting guests who plugged ivermectin as an effective treatment by portraying vaccines unnecessary for young people.

00:12:27.000 Now, might I add that there's a new study out of Japan that the media is ignoring.

00:12:36.000 Reuters covered it.

00:12:38.000 Japan's COA pharmaceutical company says ivermectin effective against Omicron in phase three trial.

00:12:48.000 That is Reuters, Thompson Reuters News Foundation.

00:12:54.000 And who are you going to trust?

00:12:57.000 Dr. Robert Malone, who has nine patents in the space of mRNA technology?

00:13:03.000 Dr. Peter McCullough, who is the most published cardiologist in his field?

00:13:10.000 How about Dr. Pierre Corey, one of the most well-recognized doctors in his specialized area in the University of Wisconsin-Madison?

00:13:19.000 Or how about Dr. Richard Urso?

00:13:22.000 These are very credible doctors who have dared to ask questions about the consensus.

00:13:28.000 But no, we should trust Neil Young.

00:13:31.000 Spotify, Young wrote, could have Rogan or Young, not both.

00:13:36.000 Well, Spotify picked the podcaster over the musician.

00:13:40.000 On the Beach, Old Man, and most of the rest of Young's gorgeous warbling catalog as a lead artist is no longer available to Spotify's 381 million users.

00:13:52.000 The Joe Rogan Experience, a chat show about subjects such as health, society, mixed martial arts, and aliens remains available.

00:13:59.000 In a statement, this is what the most amazing part of the statement is, and this is where this shows you exactly where this is going to go.

00:14:06.000 Spotify says this.

00:14:08.000 They want all the world's music and audio content to be available to Spotify users.

00:14:14.000 However, they said to Neil Young, we removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related to COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic.

00:14:23.000 Oh, really?

00:14:23.000 Do you want all the audio content available?

00:14:25.000 Why are you...

00:14:26.000 Wait, so basically they're telling Neil Young, no, no, no, no, don't leave us.

00:14:29.000 We actually censor all the time.

00:14:32.000 Don't leave us, Neil Young.

00:14:34.000 We're the masters of censorship.

00:14:36.000 We've removed 20,000 episodes.

00:14:41.000 Rogan has been for some years now, arguably the most influential podcaster on the planet.

00:14:46.000 Obviously, we've said that.

00:14:49.000 So Neil Young is trying to start a movement.

00:14:51.000 Joni Mitchell is now boycotting.

00:14:54.000 Again, I don't know who that is, but I know her music.

00:14:57.000 So just kind of, you go to enough department stores and restaurants and gyms and watch enough movies, you hear all this music or watch advertisements.

00:15:05.000 You just don't put two and two together.

00:15:06.000 Not exactly my world.

00:15:08.000 I'm not saying she's not big.

00:15:09.000 I'm just saying I don't know who that is.

00:15:11.000 It'd be like someone who never watched football, not knowing who Joe Burrow is or not knowing who Patrick Mahomes is.

00:15:16.000 I get it.

00:15:17.000 She's another aged anti-establishment hippie. 1.00

00:15:20.000 And don't you find it interesting that these are all like Septagenarians? 1.00

00:15:24.000 It's very interesting.

00:15:25.000 If you put Neil Young, Chuck Schumer, Howard Stern, Nancy Pelosi, all in a room, Joni Mitchell, these are all kind of has been Late 70 and early 80-year-old, dare I say, kind of nasty and mean people that want society to conform to the last gasp of their wishes.

00:15:48.000 Let me ask you something.

00:15:49.000 What if there was someone out there who kept a log of every single thing you did every minute of the day?

00:15:53.000 I think that would be really creepy.

00:15:55.000 Well, if I told you that's exactly what happens every time you go online, your internet provider is allowed to store logs of every website you have ever visited and then can legally sell this data to anyone.

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00:16:14.000 Now, many of you might be wondering: what if I'm routing all my data through a VPN?

00:16:17.000 That doesn't mean the VPN can see what I'm doing instead.

00:16:20.000 Well, you're right to think that.

00:16:21.000 Many VPNs claim to have no logs policy, but then they've been caught logging customer activity.

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00:17:15.000 Why American life went on as normal during the killer pandemic of 1969?

00:17:20.000 At Woodstock, those that look back, people got very sick.

00:17:24.000 There was an H3N2, otherwise known as the Hong Kong flu, was an influenza strain that the New York Times described as one of the worst in the nation's history.

00:17:33.000 The first case of H3N2, which evolved from H2N2 influenza strain, caused the 1957 pandemic, was reported in mid-July 1968 in Hong Kong.

00:17:44.000 By September, it had infected Marines returning to the states from the Vietnam War.

00:17:47.000 By mid-December, the Hong Kong flu had arrived in all 50 states.

00:17:52.000 But schools were not shut down nationwide, other than a few dozen of too many sick teachers.

00:17:57.000 Face masks were not required or even common.

00:17:59.000 Though Woodstock was not held during the peak months, it was still had during, it was still during the pandemic as we know it.

00:18:06.000 The festival went ahead when the virus was still active and had no known cure.

00:18:11.000 Quote, I wish they had social distancing, joked one attendee.

00:18:16.000 Life continued as normal, Jeffrey Tucker said, but as with now, no one knew for certain how deadly it would turn out to be, regardless people went on with their lives.

00:18:26.000 Over a million people worldwide died of the Hong Kong flu, and it was probably even more than that because we didn't have good testing and there's all sorts of differences there.

00:18:34.000 CIA director Alan Dulles was killed by the H3N2 flu, as was Hitchcock actress Tallulah Bankhead.

00:18:48.000 But of course, Woodstock went on without a hitch.

00:18:51.000 Now, first of all, for those who actually know the history of Woodstock, it was a disaster.

00:18:55.000 Mudslides, no food, terrible hygiene, rapes, incest, orgies, drug use.

00:19:02.000 It has been so, let's just say, disgustingly romanticized by a certain generation of people that look at that as like this wonderful moment actually was disgusting.

00:19:16.000 If you actually look at pictures, not like the pictures where everyone kind of looks like they're in some sort of John Lennon song, it was a catastrophe.

00:19:23.000 But they look at it as this big positive because I don't know why.

00:19:29.000 They called it three days of peace, love, and happiness.

00:19:32.000 Sure.

00:19:33.000 But anyway, why am I talking about Woodstock?

00:19:35.000 Well, because Neil Young, the very guy who is now taking his music off of Spotify and Joni Mitchell, who's also taking music off of Spotify, they participated in a super spreader mass orgy event when they were young, but now they don't want the younger Joe Rogan to try to find the truth out.

00:19:56.000 How does one, this is a very interesting question.

00:20:00.000 By the way, this pertains to Howard Stern as well, by the way.

00:20:04.000 How does someone like Howard Stern and Neil Young go from the live and let live, kind of risk-taking, embracing, drug-using, sexual anarchist?

00:20:17.000 How do they go from that to if you dare have a doctor on your podcast that is published and has nine patents and says something I don't like, I'm going to remove my music.

00:20:31.000 It does kind of play into that theme, though, isn't it?

00:20:34.000 That the last chapter in the book of liberalism is totalitarianism.

00:20:38.000 It really is.

00:20:40.000 Is that it all starts in Woodstock with mudslides and orgies and drug use and everyone's having a great time.

00:20:47.000 Peace, love, and happiness.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, sure.

00:20:50.000 And then it ends in Neil Young, in the last chapter of his book of liberalism, says, if you dare disagree with me, if you have a doctor I don't like, I'm going to pull my music.

00:21:06.000 So Spotify is not really sure how to handle this.

00:21:08.000 And Joe Rogan has broken his silence.

00:21:12.000 So I listened to the nine and a half minute selfie video that Joe Rogan did.

00:21:18.000 And I think it's being misrepresented by some people.

00:21:21.000 Some people say that he has caved.

00:21:24.000 They say that he is retreating.

00:21:27.000 I don't think that's totally true, but he's definitely wavering.

00:21:32.000 And I think Joe Rogan might have picked a fight he's not totally prepared to go into.

00:21:38.000 Possibly.

00:21:39.000 And I've met Rogan once.

00:21:41.000 I think very highly of him.

00:21:42.000 And this is not an insult to him at all.

00:21:45.000 But he did apologize throughout this selfie video.

00:21:50.000 I'm not going to play the whole nine and a half minute clip.

00:21:52.000 Half of it's like this weird story about how he loves Neil Young, really bizarre.

00:21:57.000 And Joni Mitchell, like how he was a security guard in New Jersey.

00:22:00.000 And I don't know.

00:22:01.000 It's kind of weird.

00:22:02.000 Almost like he was trying to suck up to Neil Young, like asking him to come back to the podcast, trying to disarm him.

00:22:08.000 Not exactly how I would handle things.

00:22:10.000 Joe Rogan did stand up against this claim of what is misinformation and what is disinformation.

00:22:16.000 Joe Rogan did apologize, I think, at least six times in this selfie video, saying, I'm sorry if you think I let you down.

00:22:23.000 People really don't believe that, Joe.

00:22:25.000 I hope you know that, right?

00:22:27.000 That Twitter is not a real place.

00:22:29.000 If you think that people are going away from you, they're not.

00:22:32.000 Now, this could be a strategy by Joe Rogan.

00:22:35.000 It could be to try to make him seem very reasonable and very middle of the road to try to attract more listeners.

00:22:44.000 Let's play this tape of Joe Rogan commenting on this.

00:22:46.000 And I listened to the whole nine and a half minutes so I can help build it out.

00:22:49.000 Let's play tape.

00:22:51.000 The podcast has been accused of spreading dangerous misinformation, specifically about two episodes, a little bit about some other ones, but specifically about two.

00:23:01.000 One with Dr. Peter McCullough and one with Dr. Robert Malone.

00:23:06.000 Both these people are very highly credentialed, very intelligent, very accomplished people, and they have an opinion that's different from the mainstream narrative.

00:23:15.000 I wanted to hear what their opinion is.

00:23:17.000 And so he then talks about how Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough came on his program.

00:23:27.000 And then he says, well, next time I need to try to have a countering voice to Dr. Malone and Dr. McCullough.

00:23:32.000 And I totally disagree with Joe Rogan there.

00:23:34.000 The whole point of your show is not to try to have the consensus voice.

00:23:38.000 Do you need to have the anti-alien voice on if you also have the alien voice on?

00:23:42.000 Do you need to have like the anti-psychedelic mushroom person if you have the pro-psychedelic mushroom person?

00:23:47.000 The whole point, Joe, is that your show is usually an incubator for heterodox ideas. 0.98

00:23:53.000 And look, I do think it's important to have for Joe's purposes every once in a while, you know, that goon that calls himself a doctor, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who's an idiot. 1.00

00:24:04.000 He's a total idiot. 1.00

00:24:05.000 He has this whole like COVID World War III or whatever his name, you know, stupid thing. 1.00

00:24:10.000 While they call Ivermectin a horse dewormer and Japanese phase three trials are saying that ivermectin actually helps in antiviral replication and can help against the spread of the virus. 0.92

00:24:22.000 History will show that we were on the right side of this.

00:24:25.000 But I just, I think Joe is hedging a little bit too much.

00:24:27.000 Now, the people are speculating, why is Joe Rogan doing this?

00:24:32.000 Why is he going towards the middle and all this?

00:24:34.000 Some people said it's just because of the money.

00:24:36.000 That could be true.

00:24:37.000 It could be his $100 million sweetheart deal might be incentivizing him to back down.

00:24:43.000 Because here's what I do know.

00:24:44.000 That selfie video that Joe Rogan made is not the same sort of fighting spirit we've seen out of Joe Rogan the last couple months.

00:24:50.000 Now, to say that he's retreating and all that, here's the thing.

00:24:50.000 I will agree with that.

00:24:54.000 Joe Rogan might just be saying that.

00:24:56.000 And the next thing you know, he might just have Dr. Pier Corey on.

00:24:59.000 You never know.

00:25:00.000 It's an unexpected thing.

00:25:01.000 So I think it's wrong to just kind of mischaracterize him.

00:25:05.000 But I think that Joe Rogan probably, this is probably fair, has got himself into a fight that I don't think he quite wanted, which is a fight that is involving the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, George Soros.

00:25:18.000 It's kind of like Joe Rogan is the radio frequency to the rebellion of the great reset.

00:25:24.000 And Joe Rogan's like, whoa, yo, yo, yo, I'm like, we're the mushroom show.

00:25:30.000 We don't, what do you mean?

00:25:31.000 Like, Klaus Schwab knows me?

00:25:33.000 Like, no, we don't do that.

00:25:37.000 And he kind of said that in the video, right?

00:25:40.000 And he kind of says, he's like, this has gotten way bigger than I ever thought.

00:25:43.000 It just started with me messing around with some friends.

00:25:46.000 And it's an out-of-control thing that I don't even have control of.

00:25:49.000 And he's like, I apologize for that.

00:25:51.000 And I think deep down, Joe Rogan's like, I wanted to be rich and famous and have a good time and like moderate UFC fights.

00:25:57.000 I was a fear factor host, okay?

00:25:59.000 I literally am a stand-up comedian fear factor host.

00:26:02.000 And I have like the Sultan of Brunei wants me dead, you know, or whatever.

00:26:08.000 And I say this half kiddingly, but cable news is going after him in a full court press.

00:26:13.000 Play cut three of Kat Rosenfield, play cut three.

00:26:17.000 Here's people who, you know, they like something that we, you know, who consider ourselves more enlightened, don't think is good for them.

00:26:24.000 You know, we think that they're internalizing this misinformation, that they're using it to make bad decisions.

00:26:29.000 But if you took away Joe Rogan by deplatforming him, just as if you, you know, took away Doritos, would they seek out better information?

00:26:38.000 Would they seek out a podcast like New York Times, The Daily, or, you know, would they start reading the Wall Street Journal?

00:26:43.000 I don't know.

00:26:44.000 I think that that's sort of the fundamental question here.

00:26:48.000 Yeah, New York Times Daily.

00:26:49.000 Super credible.

00:26:50.000 Right.

00:26:51.000 So Rogan continues Cut 19 to defend himself, play Cut 19.

00:26:55.000 I had them on, and because of that, those episodes in particular, those episodes were labeled as being dangerous.

00:27:04.000 They had dangerous misinformation in them.

00:27:07.000 The problem I have with the term misinformation, especially today, is that many of the things that we thought of as misinformation just a short while ago are now accepted as fact.

00:27:17.000 All of those theories that at one point in time were banned were openly discussed by those two men that I had on my podcast that have been accused of dangerous misinformation.

00:27:28.000 This is the strongest point of a selfie video.

00:27:30.000 For about a minute and a half, Joe Rogan goes through the origin of the virus, leaky vaccines, all these things that were once labeled misinformation, very intelligently and very calmly goes through all of that.

00:27:44.000 Things that were once considered conspiracy theories, lab leak, Wuhan Institute of Virology, leaky vaccines, cloth masks, ivermectin, are now considered to be consensus.

00:27:54.000 So basically, everything that we on this program have been diving into, not just our program, though, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, is now all of a sudden being considered a threat to free speech, misinformation, disinformation.

00:28:04.000 And so I think Joe is right there.

00:28:06.000 But Joe's in a pickle, and Joe's going to have to choose.

00:28:09.000 This problem is not going away, okay?

00:28:11.000 Because Joe Rogan's not all of a sudden just going to become like a cable news show.

00:28:14.000 It's not going to happen where he just kind of has the same six guests over and over again.

00:28:18.000 Okay, what do you think about this?

00:28:20.000 Joe is too intellectually honest for that.

00:28:23.000 And Joe might be kind of being put in his corner right now by the COVID lobby, by the medical fascists.

00:28:29.000 But Deep Down Joe is a curious and courageous person.

00:28:35.000 Deep down Joe is not going to take this for so long.

00:28:38.000 And at some point, Joe will be like, you know what?

00:28:39.000 You keep your $100 million bucks, Spotify.

00:28:41.000 I might do my own thing.

00:28:43.000 And we actually, we did say, I don't know if we said this on our show, but we said it internally.

00:28:48.000 The downside of signing that big deal with Spotify is that he very well might have put himself in a corner to allow them to control what he was going to say.

00:28:58.000 So far, that's not true, but they are now going to be adding disclaimers to his episodes.

00:29:04.000 They're going to be adding pre-roll saying COVID-19 is very serious and talk to your doctor before any of this information.

00:29:12.000 If anyone could break away from the corporate media, it's Joe Rogan.

00:29:17.000 Establish his own company and do his own thing.

00:29:20.000 Joe's going to have to choose at some point whether he likes it or not.

00:29:26.000 I want to take a moment and thank Patriot Mobile, my new cell phone provider, for their support.

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00:31:03.000 Stop paying money via your cell phone companies to the left-wing arsonists destroying our country.

00:31:10.000 If you wouldn't give money to Planned Parenthood, if you wouldn't give money to Transgender Lobby, if you wouldn't give money to the Alphabet Mafia, if you wouldn't give money to BLM, then why would you do it via your cell phone company?

00:31:20.000 You might say, Well, Charlie, I don't know a competitor.

00:31:22.000 Well, now you know one.

00:31:23.000 It's called Patriot Mobile.

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00:31:27.000 I have done this.

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00:31:40.000 PatriotMobile.com/slash Charlie.

00:31:45.000 If you have a kid or grandkid, chances are they listen to Joe Rogan or have listened to Joe Rogan.

00:31:52.000 And he is one of the most powerful communicators to people under the age of 30.

00:31:57.000 That is the most desired demographic, largely because he's real.

00:32:03.000 He is authentic.

00:32:04.000 He is not scripted.

00:32:05.000 He is not corporate.

00:32:06.000 He's the opposite of corporate, actually.

00:32:09.000 Spotify's bet on podcasts has attracted subscribers and ad dollars.

00:32:14.000 But Neil Young's protest of Rogan highlights one downside to it.

00:32:17.000 Spotify has responsibility for its content, and its content may be controversial.

00:32:21.000 Well, apparently, Bruce Springsteen is now also asking for his music to be removed.

00:32:29.000 Now, I do know Bruce Springsteen.

00:32:32.000 Born to run.

00:32:33.000 That's one of his songs, right?

00:32:36.000 What is it with these mid-70-year-old musicians that want their music to be listened to by less people?

00:32:44.000 For it's not even political.

00:32:46.000 It's just, this is some just, this is some weird and strange stuff.

00:32:49.000 Yep, Bruce Springsteen, 72.

00:32:53.000 Bruce Springsteen removing his music from Spotify alongside Neil Young and Joni Mitchell.

00:32:59.000 Got it.

00:32:59.000 I correct myself.

00:33:00.000 It's not Bruce Springsteen.

00:33:02.000 It's his guitarist.

00:33:04.000 It's very, very.

00:33:07.000 I was going to say that New York Post article didn't look like Bruce Springsteen, the guy wearing the Colin Kaepernick jersey.

00:33:12.000 I was like, he's really aged.

00:33:13.000 He looks terrible.

00:33:16.000 So it's not Bruce Springsteen.

00:33:18.000 Got it.

00:33:19.000 Well, the boycott continues.

00:33:23.000 Springsteen has a massive Spotify deal with Obama, actually, for a podcast they co-host.

00:33:29.000 So it's probably not going to pull anytime soon.

00:33:31.000 But one other story I wanted to cover here: Lindsey Graham said nominating a black woman to the Supreme Court would make it look more like America, not affirmative action. 1.00

00:33:41.000 Lindsey Graham has rejected the idea that Biden tapping a black woman for SCOTUS is affirmative action.

00:33:47.000 The senator said the president had a wealth of qualified candidates to choose from.

00:33:53.000 Senator Roger Wicker said a black female nominee would be a beneficiary of affirmative action. 0.98

00:33:58.000 He's right.

00:33:59.000 Lindsey Graham on Sunday refuted the notion.

00:34:02.000 He said, we need to make the court look more like America. 0.70

00:34:07.000 Why the heck does how you look matter, Lindsey Graham?

00:34:12.000 Let me ask you a question, and every single conservative would answer this the same way. 0.54

00:34:17.000 Would you rather have nine justices that were white and as liberal as Ruth Bader Ginsburg, or nine justices that were black and as conservative as Clarence Thomas?

00:34:30.000 How does one's look matter at all?

00:34:35.000 The most conservative justice on the court is Clarence Thomas, alongside Neil Gorsuch and Alito.

00:34:44.000 Why is Lindsey Graham caring about identity politics? 0.99

00:34:47.000 Why is he playing into the retribalization?

00:34:51.000 Instead, Lindsey Graham, the Republican minority chairman of the House of the Senate Judiciary Committee, very well might be in the majority soon, should be like, it's irrelevant.

00:35:04.000 I do not want to see nominees based on melanin content.

00:35:08.000 If they're smart, we'll hear about them.

00:35:10.000 If they're qualified, we'll hear from them. 1.00

00:35:13.000 So Lindsey Graham is saying to the American people, you're so stupid that you must have a higher representation of melanin content. 0.99

00:35:26.000 What good are Republicans if they just recycle Democrat talking points to try to win favor from CBS? 0.99

00:35:35.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:36.000 Email us your thoughts.

00:35:37.000 It's always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:39.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:35:41.000 God bless.

00:35:41.000 Speak to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 01, 2022

Is Joe Rogan Appeasing the Mob or Playing the Long Game?

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