The Charlie Kirk Show - Is "North" Just an Opinion? LIVE from Classical Conversations with Q+A

00:00:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:03.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:07.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:11.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:12.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:14.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:21.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:29.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:32.000 Hello, everybody.

00:00:34.000 How are you all doing?

00:00:35.000 Great to be here.

00:00:36.000 Happy Friday.

00:00:37.000 And homeschoolers, do you guys celebrate Fridays?

00:00:40.000 That's a joke.

00:00:41.000 That's a homeschooling joke, by the way.

00:00:43.000 See, Don there.

00:00:44.000 How are you doing?

00:00:45.000 Great American patriot, fellow Scotsman.

00:00:48.000 So I want to apologize in advance.

00:00:50.000 I'm a little sleep-deprived.

00:00:52.000 That's what happens when you have a newborn.

00:00:53.000 So we just welcomed New Baby into the world.

00:00:57.000 So if I miss words or don't make sense, that's why.

00:01:01.000 So I just want to say how much I appreciate the Jensen family.

00:01:04.000 They're so amazing.

00:01:06.000 They do such a fabulous job of caring about their community and caring about other people.

00:01:12.000 And introduced me to Classical Conversations, which I've always been a huge advocate for homeschooling.

00:01:17.000 And I see it exploding across the country.

00:01:20.000 And we had the head of Classical Conversations, Lee, on our show, and she did such a wonderful job of articulating everything that you are doing.

00:01:29.000 And the best way I could say this is when you get older, I think you'll realize how special it is what you actually have.

00:01:37.000 And I know you're probably tired of hearing that.

00:01:39.000 So I'm going to tell you that as someone who is not as old as your parents, that how awesome the classical conversations actually is and how rare it is and how exceptional that education actually is.

00:01:51.000 Because the vast majority of people that are even sometimes being homeschooled, but not all the time, have no comprehension of the ideas, the values that you are learning every single day through the classical method.

00:02:04.000 And it will equip you to be a complete human being, mind, body, and soul, not just one of those dimensions that kind of the government schools or all these other places are kind of putting you towards.

00:02:16.000 So I want to just talk a little bit here, then we'll do some questions.

00:02:18.000 Which, who here was there last time when we talked back in January?

00:02:22.000 Okay, awesome.

00:02:23.000 Not that many.

00:02:23.000 That's actually good.

00:02:24.000 So we'll have an opportunity to, you know, say some things for some people that haven't kind of heard some of these ideas before.

00:02:32.000 But I felt like we didn't have enough time for questions last time, so we'll do some questions there.

00:02:35.000 So I'll just kind of ask a hypothetical question.

00:02:38.000 What if, coming to this event, we all had different definitions of what North was?

00:02:44.000 I want you to think about what that would look like.

00:02:47.000 If all of us had a different definition of what North was, would we ever be able to find ourselves to events like this, go grocery shopping, be able to fly airplanes, build society?

00:02:55.000 Now, of course, all of you would say, of course not.

00:02:56.000 No, that would be silly.

00:02:57.000 It'd be foolish.

00:02:58.000 It'd be suicidal for a civilization to have your own definition of North.

00:03:02.000 Well, that's exactly what's happening right now.

00:03:04.000 Is that we're deciding to enter into the national discourse, into the philosophical paradigm, this idea of if you have your own opinion of directional objective truth.

00:03:15.000 And you could call this deconstructionism, postmodernism, post-relativism, but really the struggle of what's going on in America right now, educationally in particular, and you'll see this if any of you end up going to college or government schools, is what is truth, what is real, and what is good, what is beautiful.

00:03:31.000 Obviously, good, true, and beautiful being the three pillars of what is classical education.

00:03:36.000 But if you just kind of boil it down, what does a society look like if anyone or anyone is able to determine what is true?

00:03:41.000 You could say it's chaos, but it's worse than chaos because the chaos won't last.

00:03:46.000 Because someone who then promises order, who's not a very good person, will then bring some sort of momentary kind of calm to that.

00:03:54.000 We call that person a dictator, a tyrant, or a despot.

00:03:56.000 The point is this, is that in society today, we are telling people, young people in particular, that you can find your own truth, you can chart your own path forward, and that you, you, you, are the most important thing in the world.

00:04:07.000 And that is such garbage and nonsense to be teaching this entire generation.

00:04:11.000 It really isn't about you very much.

00:04:13.000 It's about God, it's about your family, it's about service.

00:04:15.000 And then eventually you can start worrying actually about yourself.

00:04:18.000 I believe we have, in my personal opinion, the most depressed, anxious generation in history for a lot of different reasons.

00:04:25.000 One of the reasons is we're telling the next generation to always be thinking about themselves.

00:04:28.000 It's always about themselves.

00:04:30.000 Actually, it's not the most important question.

00:04:30.000 How do you feel?

00:04:32.000 You know what the more important question is?

00:04:33.000 What are you doing for other people?

00:04:34.000 It's actually a much more important question to ask a 10-year-old than how do you feel in this particular moment?

00:04:39.000 They might be cranky, actually, because they need a Snickers, or they need a nap.

00:04:43.000 Actually, it's okay not to feel okay all the time.

00:04:45.000 The question is, what are you doing?

00:04:46.000 That's way more important than how do you feel.

00:04:48.000 We have an entire generation that is being told you're feeling how your emotion that particular moment is far more important than what you're doing.

00:04:56.000 Now, I'm not saying that feelings are always unimportant.

00:04:58.000 God gave us the ability to feel emotions.

00:05:00.000 That's incredibly important, obviously.

00:05:02.000 But the question is, is that the most important thing?

00:05:04.000 And the answer is, of course, absolutely not.

00:05:06.000 So the way we design society and the way that we have a worldview, and the question is, what is a worldview?

00:05:10.000 Is the compass of which you're going to orient all the other decisions for the rest of your life?

00:05:15.000 And so a worldview basically is the way that you're able to interpret the very confusing map of life to make a decision about every single type of issue.

00:05:23.000 Some that are controversial and some that are not so controversial.

00:05:26.000 Not controversial ones of what am I going to eat?

00:05:29.000 Am I going to exercise?

00:05:30.000 You know, more important ones, you know, am I going to marry?

00:05:32.000 Who am I going to marry?

00:05:33.000 Am I going to have children?

00:05:35.000 Or the ones that sometimes get confusing for people.

00:05:37.000 How do I stand on issues like abortion or marriage, faith?

00:05:40.000 Should I go to church?

00:05:41.000 All of this comes back to this idea of the compass.

00:05:43.000 Do you believe that there is a north?

00:05:45.000 And do you believe that north changes based on conditions?

00:05:50.000 And so if you're in the middle of a hurricane, you're in the middle of a tsunami, is it still, is North still North?

00:05:55.000 Yes.

00:05:56.000 Regardless of when people are screaming at you, regardless when people are saying things at you, what is true is always true, regardless of the conditions around you.

00:06:04.000 The world would have you believe outside of the amazing education all of you receive that things change based on circumstances.

00:06:11.000 They base, you know, truth changes based on somebody's own experience.

00:06:15.000 The danger of this, I cannot understate the danger of this.

00:06:18.000 It's really, quite honestly, satanic in nature.

00:06:20.000 But, you know, we can debate about that if you disagree, but it's just, it's just true biblically, is that what's the first thing Satan did in Genesis?

00:06:27.000 He said, did God really tell you that?

00:06:29.000 Is that really true?

00:06:30.000 Is that really the word of God?

00:06:32.000 He is the best at making you doubt what you know is true.

00:06:35.000 He says, he's an expert at it, constantly making you question.

00:06:39.000 Now, questioning can be very helpful and important, but getting your place, getting to a place where your worldview is based on doubt, that's not okay.

00:06:47.000 It's a totally different thing.

00:06:48.000 You see, it's okay to have legitimate questions.

00:06:50.000 We're going to do that in a second.

00:06:52.000 But you know what's different?

00:06:53.000 Their entire worldview is putting doubt above truth.

00:06:56.000 It's a very big difference.

00:06:58.000 Their worldview is to say, everything you've been taught is a lie.

00:07:01.000 You know what our world of view is?

00:07:02.000 I want to find out what is true.

00:07:04.000 That's a big difference.

00:07:06.000 So they're not about pursuing truth.

00:07:07.000 What do I mean by they?

00:07:08.000 You could put any label you want on that.

00:07:11.000 It could be atheist, humanist, collectivists, postmodernists, deconstructionists.

00:07:15.000 How about this?

00:07:16.000 The people who believe men can become pregnant.

00:07:19.000 Those people.

00:07:19.000 Okay?

00:07:20.000 You might say, well, Charlie, that's a fringe view.

00:07:22.000 No, it's not.

00:07:23.000 It's a view held by your White House right now.

00:07:25.000 Your White House stated policy says that we will no longer say that women can become pregnant.

00:07:30.000 They are pregnant people.

00:07:31.000 And they say, if you dare say that only women can become pregnant, that is hate speech, transphobic, all this nonsense.

00:07:36.000 So the question is, is North North, can only women become pregnant?

00:07:39.000 Yes.

00:07:40.000 So why is that we've lost our collective mind?

00:07:42.000 Two reasons.

00:07:43.000 Number one, we've become way too secular as a country.

00:07:46.000 We forgot that without God, there is no wisdom, period.

00:07:49.000 If there's only one thing you remember for the rest of your life, you could just write it down and just look at it and just say, wow, that tall guy spoke on a Friday night really fast, but I do remember he said, without God, there is no wisdom.

00:07:59.000 In fact, let me go a step further.

00:08:01.000 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

00:08:04.000 You want to know why there's no wisdom anymore in our society?

00:08:06.000 Remove God from everything.

00:08:07.000 From our colleges, our universities, our high schools, our government agencies, our bureaucracies.

00:08:14.000 We kicked God out of everything.

00:08:15.000 We're wondering why the pebble of nonsense is reigning our entire world.

00:08:20.000 And we should be unafraid to say that.

00:08:22.000 And in fact, people sometimes kind of walk around.

00:08:24.000 I don't want to offend anybody.

00:08:25.000 Listen, I believe this firmly.

00:08:26.000 You cannot be a Christian without offending somebody.

00:08:28.000 Period.

00:08:29.000 And some people, and there's a lot of people, you might disagree with that.

00:08:32.000 That's fine.

00:08:33.000 Go read in the book of Luke where Jesus said, I came here not to unite but divide.

00:08:37.000 What do you do with that verse?

00:08:38.000 The truth could be hard for people to hear.

00:08:40.000 You don't have to do it in an aggressive way or a harsh way.

00:08:43.000 I certainly struggle with that at times, honestly.

00:08:45.000 But that's okay.

00:08:46.000 But you have to tell the truth.

00:08:48.000 And when you're confronted with truth, are you going to tolerate something that you know is the opposite of what is the natural law?

00:08:55.000 So let me talk about the natural law a little bit, and then we can kind of get to some questions.

00:08:59.000 So I think, you know, someone asked me the other day, and we're going to keep this whole speech philosophical.

00:09:04.000 If you want to ask political questions, that's fine.

00:09:06.000 But I want to kind of keep it in the philosophical domain.

00:09:08.000 They said, Charlie, what is a conservative?

00:09:10.000 I don't even mean political conservative.

00:09:11.000 I mean philosophical one.

00:09:12.000 I said, it's very simple.

00:09:13.000 Acknowledging that there's a natural law designed by a creator and wanting to honor it and protect it.

00:09:19.000 It's very simple.

00:09:20.000 And they say, well, what do you mean by that?

00:09:21.000 How about this?

00:09:22.000 God created man, God created woman, and they're meant for each other and in harmony of marriage, and marriage must be defined, honored, and protected.

00:09:28.000 Pretty simple, right?

00:09:29.000 That having children is a good thing, and we should have more children in our society.

00:09:33.000 That rampant, widespread internet pornography is destroying our kids' lives.

00:09:36.000 Like, these are things that we should be willing to say.

00:09:39.000 And if it ruffles some feathers, then let's have it out, right?

00:09:43.000 Let's compare which worldview actually gets people closer towards a place of peace and communion with the divine and be able to flourish.

00:09:50.000 Now, when you ask the question of what is the natural law, there's many ways to be able to go about it, right?

00:09:56.000 Thomas Aquinas would argue that through reason, you're able to find that natural law.

00:10:00.000 Jesus told us, by your fruit, by the fruit, you will be able to measure.

00:10:00.000 But it's very simple.

00:10:05.000 Where are you, out of the secular humanist fruit?

00:10:08.000 Where do you see something that is prosperous, happy, and joyful?

00:10:12.000 The city of San Francisco?

00:10:15.000 The state of California?

00:10:16.000 Downtown New York City?

00:10:18.000 The most violent crime, widespread vagrancy, and homelessness?

00:10:22.000 Or how about you have the least married generation in history, the most depressed, anxious, medicated, alcohol-addicted generation in history?

00:10:28.000 That is the outgrowth of a compendium of these kind of secular humanist values.

00:10:34.000 So then someone says, Well, Charlie, what have you Christians done?

00:10:36.000 I don't know, built the entire civilization that you take for granted.

00:10:39.000 That's what we've done, actually.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, 55 out of 56 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were by believing church attending Christians.

00:10:46.000 Whether it be from the Reformation of the Gutenberg press to the proliferation of human rights, common law, the idea of private property, the Magna Carta, the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, fought to abolish slavery, fought a civil war against it, won two world wars.

00:11:01.000 Yeah, actually, we've done a lot.

00:11:02.000 And I'm not saying only Christians did that.

00:11:04.000 Without Christians, those things wouldn't have happened.

00:11:06.000 That's the difference.

00:11:07.000 Because you'll say, well, Charlie, there's a deist that signed it.

00:11:10.000 First of all, okay, there's one guy that we don't know if he was a Christian or not.

00:11:13.000 One person, 55 out of 56.

00:11:15.000 That's not the point.

00:11:16.000 The point is, who was the foundation, the driving force?

00:11:18.000 Who are the people that actually made the difficult, impossible, miraculous things happen?

00:11:22.000 By the fruit, you'll be able to judge them.

00:11:24.000 You'll be able to see which worldview actually gives you something that makes life beautiful and meaningful.

00:11:30.000 And that worldview needs to be the compass for the rest of your life.

00:11:33.000 And so it's very tempting for young people to say, okay, Charlie, I'm a Christian.

00:11:37.000 I graduated classical conversations.

00:11:39.000 I don't want to deal with anything on the news.

00:11:40.000 It's all too confusing.

00:11:41.000 That, in my personal opinion, is a disservice to the biblical commandment of Jeremiah 29, 7, which says, demand the peace of the, or the peace or welfare of the nation that you are in, because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:11:54.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for his nation.

00:11:56.000 Esther, Mordecai, Jeremiah, Nehemiah all cared about the welfare of their nation and were willing to do something about it.

00:12:02.000 And I believe that if you are a Christian, you have the truth, you've given your life to the Lord, praise God, you have great parents, but you say, you know what, I'm not going to care about the news, I'm not going to care about the cultural stuff, I'm not going to care about the political stuff.

00:12:12.000 I believe that is a huge disservice and not being salt and light.

00:12:15.000 Now, am I saying it the most important thing?

00:12:17.000 I'm not.

00:12:17.000 But I'm saying it's pretty important and it's increasingly important.

00:12:20.000 You know why it's increasingly important?

00:12:22.000 Because they're forcing their hand.

00:12:24.000 That's why.

00:12:25.000 You know, people say all the time, they say, you know, Charlie, we have separation of church and state.

00:12:28.000 First of all, we don't.

00:12:29.000 It's not in the Constitution, not in the Federalist Papers, not in the Declaration.

00:12:32.000 It's a single letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention.

00:12:35.000 And it's actually taken out of context because it was actually Thomas Jefferson assuring the church the state wouldn't come after them.

00:12:40.000 Totally opposite, right?

00:12:42.000 He was assuring the church, don't worry, the government's not going to come after you.

00:12:45.000 Not the other way around.

00:12:47.000 But I always joke around.

00:12:48.000 I say, well, then why don't you keep the government out of the church?

00:12:51.000 After the lockdowns, you had government bureaucrats coming arresting pastors, giving fines.

00:12:56.000 So I say, what happened to that separation of church and state?

00:12:58.000 That disappeared really quickly.

00:12:59.000 And so I'll kind of conclude on that kind of theme with this, which is as Christians, we are called to a higher purpose and we are going to be judged differently as far as what we did here.

00:13:10.000 We all have eternal life once we give our life to the Lord, but you're going to have to be called to give account of what you personally did here on earth.

00:13:16.000 And you're going to say, you know what?

00:13:17.000 I didn't care at all about the civilization, the country, or the framework of any of this stuff works around.

00:13:22.000 I believe that would be a massive disservice with the truth we have, and we are the inheritors of Christians that did care.

00:13:30.000 We're the inheritors of Christians that were so incredibly deliberate and intentional.

00:13:35.000 You know why?

00:13:36.000 The founding fathers, the framers, they knew what it was like to live under tyranny.

00:13:39.000 And this is the thing, you know what actually bothers me more than Marxism and communism?

00:13:45.000 I could deal with a Marxist and a communist.

00:13:46.000 I've read all their literature.

00:13:47.000 I know all their stuff, from Rousseau to Plato to Hegel to Derrida to Foucault to Derek Bell.

00:13:53.000 I know all their, I don't want to say all this stuff, but enough to really be back and forth.

00:13:57.000 But you know what?

00:13:58.000 I respect a Marxist a lot more than someone who's apathetic.

00:14:01.000 A lot more.

00:14:02.000 Because at least the Marxist tells me they care.

00:14:05.000 The apathetic Christian drives me nuts.

00:14:07.000 It's like, oh, yeah, I have all the answers, but I don't really care about what happens around me.

00:14:11.000 Where in the Bible say that?

00:14:14.000 I'm not saying you have to agree with me on everything.

00:14:16.000 I'm just asking you to care a little bit.

00:14:19.000 And especially for young people out there, because cynicism and apathy is so incredibly tempting, isn't it?

00:14:24.000 I don't care.

00:14:25.000 They're all corrupt.

00:14:26.000 You're right.

00:14:26.000 Man is corrupt.

00:14:27.000 We live in a broken world.

00:14:30.000 Some churches are corrupt.

00:14:31.000 Some pastors are corrupt.

00:14:33.000 Are you going to just run to the hills and create your own commune?

00:14:35.000 Are you going to be salt and light?

00:14:36.000 Salt and light being the only two things, not the only two things, but two things that change the conditions of the environment they come in contact with.

00:14:44.000 Light makes a room brighter.

00:14:46.000 Salt makes a substance saltier.

00:14:49.000 It changes a way something is.

00:14:51.000 That's what we're called to be, not just to keep things the way they are.

00:14:54.000 And so I submit to you: look, where we're at in a country, we all have a different definition of North.

00:14:58.000 You walk down the street and someone says, well, it's my truth, and I could do whatever I want to do whenever I want to do it.

00:15:03.000 Absent a biblical worldview, how on earth do you know that a line is crooked if you do not have a straight line to compare it to?

00:15:13.000 If you remove God, and let me say it even differently, if you remove Christians talking about the need for God, the entire civilization falls apart.

00:15:21.000 And I believe that's what we're living through.

00:15:22.000 Not that it's not reversible, but you see all this confusing stuff.

00:15:25.000 It's all this happening.

00:15:26.000 Like, Charlie, why is it happening?

00:15:27.000 You secularize a society, something's going to fill that void.

00:15:31.000 You make doubt more important than the pursuit of truth.

00:15:33.000 If you tell an eight-year-old you could be whatever you want to be whenever you want to be it, you're sowing that seed of social relativism, and with it, you commit arson to the entire civilization, the greatest ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:15:44.000 Okay, so let me just say this, and we'll do some questions.

00:15:46.000 For students and young people out there, I just want to encourage you guys to be lifelong learners and to really dive deep into these topics.

00:15:54.000 You're so blessed to be able to be even exposed to these ideas.

00:15:58.000 And honestly, you should thank your parents that they are making the financial sacrifice to homeschool you.

00:16:05.000 Because they very well, some parents could have gone to parent house, two parents going into the workforce or whatever.

00:16:11.000 For those of you that are homeschooled, your parents are making a decision that, and some of you maybe have one parent or the other that can afford it, that you have no idea how many emails I get for the students out here, how many emails I get of parents that wish they had the financial means to homeschool their kids.

00:16:29.000 You have no idea.

00:16:30.000 They say, Charlie, I just can't do it.

00:16:32.000 Inflation's breaking the back of our family.

00:16:33.000 We both have to work.

00:16:35.000 We have four kids.

00:16:35.000 We have to send them to private school and it's all gone woke.

00:16:38.000 And I say, do you ever think of homeschooling?

00:16:40.000 Can't do it too much.

00:16:41.000 And they might just be saying that, but the point is this.

00:16:44.000 And I'm not, everyone's circumstance is a little bit different.

00:16:47.000 The point is you're here because your parents have made that step.

00:16:49.000 And that's a very big deal.

00:16:50.000 And that will bless you for the rest of your life.

00:16:52.000 Okay, let's do some questions, guys, and we'll take it from there, okay?

00:16:57.000 First, thank you very much for coming.

00:16:58.000 I'm a former CC student who has been at UC Irvine in California.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:17:05.000 You probably know better than most.

00:17:07.000 But I started a podcast with one of my fellow students there, and we've been trying to reach to college students specifically, which I know you have a lot of familiarity with, given Turning Point USA and such.

00:17:17.000 And there is an apathy that's really come about in college students at large.

00:17:23.000 And so one of the things that we've been trying to address with college students is how to get them, it's kind of an infinite step from apathy to starting to care again, because in order to have them start gaining meaning by helping other people like you advocated for, they first have to go from apathy to caring again, right?

00:17:39.000 So I'm curious, because you have so much experience in this field, how have you found ways to help people go from apathy to caring?

00:17:48.000 And then for people who have just started podcast, what would you say were something, if you were to rewind, what would you have done?

00:17:54.000 Okay, so I'll answer the second question first.

00:17:56.000 Get big guests on and be relentless in trying to get them on.

00:17:58.000 It's the best way to build a podcast.

00:18:00.000 Help other people build, use other people's audience to build your audience.

00:18:03.000 It's the easiest way to build a platform.

00:18:05.000 It took us many years to build our podcast, but we're very blessed with how we've done.

00:18:09.000 And we'll talk about that later.

00:18:11.000 But would be happy to help give you advice on that.

00:18:13.000 And also do as much content as you possibly can.

00:18:16.000 Content, content, content, content.

00:18:17.000 Would you be willing to come on the podcast?

00:18:20.000 Yeah, see, that's the right question.

00:18:21.000 See?

00:18:21.000 There you go.

00:18:23.000 Yes, I'd be happy to.

00:18:24.000 There you go.

00:18:25.000 See, he's asking for the order.

00:18:29.000 So the first question.

00:18:32.000 Look, this is the question that befuddles almost every person that's trying to organize people.

00:18:36.000 So the best answer I have for this is, and you have to understand when you're trying to get people to care, you are in a different version of sales.

00:18:44.000 You're kind of a salesperson.

00:18:46.000 So you're already passing the first test.

00:18:49.000 No one wants to buy anything from anybody because you're selling something if you don't look the part.

00:18:53.000 So you look like you're wearing the suit, the whole thing, it's great.

00:18:56.000 That's the first thing, right?

00:18:58.000 The second thing is you have to have passion, okay?

00:19:00.000 No one is going to want to deal with you if you're like, you know, hey, get involved with whatever it's called thing.

00:19:06.000 And no one's going to want to do that.

00:19:07.000 You have to be so excited, so over the top, so passionate that they have to say, there's something that this guy believes.

00:19:13.000 And this has always been, you know, my big critique of some evangelist circles.

00:19:19.000 It's like, if the person you're talking about atheism is more excited about atheism than you are, then you got to get out of the evangelism business, man, right?

00:19:30.000 It's the intimacy with Christ.

00:19:32.000 It's the inerrancy of scripture.

00:19:33.000 All of a sudden, like, wow, this guy really believes it.

00:19:35.000 Like, yeah, that's actually how we're built to communicate, right?

00:19:38.000 And by the way, you go read Paul and you read the early disciples.

00:19:42.000 They got fired up if you want to persuade people of something.

00:19:45.000 It came at a great cost for all of them.

00:19:46.000 So that's the best way I could say that.

00:19:48.000 Look, it's tricky because I believe widespread apathy in our country is a strategy.

00:19:55.000 I really do.

00:19:56.000 I think they want people to be apathetic.

00:19:58.000 I say, why would they want that?

00:19:59.000 It's so much easier to control, obviously.

00:20:02.000 If you don't care, then they can do whatever they want.

00:20:05.000 You are the check and balance.

00:20:07.000 We're like, oh, the traditional branch checks the president.

00:20:10.000 No, you're the check and balance.

00:20:12.000 You showing up to a school board meeting, you showing up to a city council meeting.

00:20:16.000 That's you.

00:20:17.000 And you know what?

00:20:18.000 It's the urge, the temptation to watch Hulu or Netflix instead of caring is overwhelming.

00:20:26.000 I get it.

00:20:27.000 Stare at TikTok all day long, which the stories are sold, by the way.

00:20:29.000 Don't ever look at TikTok.

00:20:30.000 It's awful.

00:20:30.000 It's terrible.

00:20:31.000 Parents, get rid of it.

00:20:32.000 I'm not kidding.

00:20:32.000 It's soul-destroying.

00:20:34.000 I've seen it destroy people's lives.

00:20:35.000 I'm not exaggerating.

00:20:37.000 You guys can, we can talk about that more if you guys want.

00:20:40.000 But people become a lot easier to control from the top down if they don't care.

00:20:47.000 And so you have to try to break that spell of apathy, right?

00:20:50.000 Be interesting, be factually provocative at times, get their attention, be passionate.

00:20:55.000 And even that won't get everybody to care.

00:20:57.000 But it starts with the individual person.

00:20:59.000 And I'll just say this with Turning Point USA.

00:21:01.000 When we first started Turning Point USA 10 years ago, it was widespread apathy amongst donors.

00:21:06.000 No one thought we could do it except a small select group of people.

00:21:08.000 Well, we've proven the world wrong.

00:21:09.000 We're on pace for 1,000 high school chapters, 800 college chapters, right?

00:21:13.000 I mean, it's unbelievable what we're doing.

00:21:15.000 We have TPUSA Faith, Turning Point Academy.

00:21:17.000 We have a monstrosity of a digital operation, right?

00:21:20.000 We're doing three hours of radio a day.

00:21:22.000 We have events where 10,000, 15,000 people attend in massive numbers.

00:21:26.000 And now people look as if, oh, yeah, it's a certain thing.

00:21:28.000 Turning point was always there.

00:21:29.000 Like, hold on a second.

00:21:30.000 10 years ago, I used to have to try to drag people.

00:21:34.000 Like, please give us a chance to be able to spark something new in the next generation.

00:21:38.000 And so it could be done, but it's also going to take perseverance because if you give up, then everyone else you're trying to inspire will as well.

00:21:45.000 God bless you.

00:21:46.000 Thanks for being here.

00:21:46.000 And talk to Mikey about the podcast thing.

00:21:48.000 He's around somewhere.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:54.000 Hello, I'm a Challenge A, Classical Conversations Challenge A student.

00:21:58.000 And I was wondering, who do you think will win in the 2024 election and why?

00:22:03.000 I said, if they bring up politics, I'm happy to engage.

00:22:09.000 So I think someone asked this back in January.

00:22:13.000 Boy, my memory.

00:22:14.000 There's so many events that I do.

00:22:15.000 So who do I think is going to win?

00:22:17.000 So yeah, I've said this publicly.

00:22:19.000 I'm a friend of President Trump's.

00:22:20.000 If he runs again, I'm going to back him and support him.

00:22:22.000 I could go into many reasons why.

00:22:24.000 But the best reason I have for all of you is when I give someone my word, I'm actually good for it.

00:22:28.000 I'm not a typical politician person that says one thing and does another.

00:22:32.000 But I will say this simultaneously, and we're actually hosting a series of events with him around the country.

00:22:37.000 I'm a massive Ron DeSantis fan.

00:22:38.000 I think Ron DeSantis is a fabulous leader.

00:22:41.000 I think he's incredible.

00:22:43.000 And so, look, I think that just talking politically, not on behalf of Turning Point USA, just talking personally on this, I mean, it's mission critical that the White House gets rewon.

00:22:54.000 What we are experiencing right now is a complete and total intentional destruction of the country.

00:22:59.000 And it's very, very hard to witness.

00:23:01.000 So, as someone would say, we'll see what happens.

00:23:05.000 Thank you.

00:23:05.000 Appreciate it.

00:23:10.000 Hi, I'm a college freshman, and I was just wondering if you could explain a little bit about the differences between conservativism, conservatism, and liberalism, because I feel like in my college classes, they're rather sympathetic to liberalism and not so much to conservatism.

00:23:28.000 And so, I wanted to get your take on that.

00:23:31.000 That's a great question.

00:23:32.000 Yes, so let me kind of give you some examples.

00:23:34.000 I'll even go a step further and I'll say the difference between conservatism, liberalism, and leftism.

00:23:40.000 Okay, I'll even go a step further and try to give them an olive branch of which they have not earned and do not deserve.

00:23:46.000 So let's start with leftism, right?

00:23:49.000 Leftism is this kind of blanket term of a mixed mashing of bad ideas of Marxism, fascism, statism, collectivism.

00:23:56.000 They're also identity politics, diversity, equity, inclusion, postmodernism.

00:24:00.000 So let me give you a common leftist belief.

00:24:03.000 Okay?

00:24:03.000 A common leftist belief is they believe in black-only dormitories on college campuses.

00:24:10.000 Okay?

00:24:10.000 They're all across the country, by the way.

00:24:12.000 If that shocks you, listen to my podcast because that's just a little bit of what's happening.

00:24:16.000 So all across the country, they're not allowing white kids to go into certain dormitories because they have black-only dorms.

00:24:22.000 A leftist believes this is equity, right?

00:24:24.000 They think, well, we need to be able to discriminate against white people to be able to have, you know, a better society or whatever.

00:24:31.000 Okay?

00:24:32.000 So a liberal, a true liberal, would say, no, that's wrong.

00:24:35.000 That's discrimination, even though black people are actually oppressed.

00:24:39.000 Okay?

00:24:40.000 A conservative would say, no, it's wrong to discriminate, and black people are not oppressed, actually.

00:24:45.000 We live in the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:24:48.000 The laws that are calibrated are actually written against Asians and against white people.

00:24:53.000 Stop complaining.

00:24:54.000 Stop trying to play the race card.

00:24:56.000 Let's live in a country where we stop talking about race all the time.

00:24:58.000 Does that make sense?

00:24:59.000 So you have leftism, liberalism, conservatism.

00:25:02.000 Now, that's one example, but basically what the conservative is, is the conservative is the disagreeable person at the party that rejects the entire premise.

00:25:08.000 Because guess what?

00:25:09.000 The premise is usually wrong.

00:25:10.000 Okay?

00:25:11.000 The premise of America being a racist country and all this stuff, it's just nonsense.

00:25:14.000 It's garbage.

00:25:15.000 There's no data to reflect it at all.

00:25:17.000 And when you actually dive into the police statistics, you dive into crime statistics, everything they say is a lie, right?

00:25:22.000 And you can read Heather McDonald's book, War on Cops, it will blow your mind on it.

00:25:25.000 So that's just one example.

00:25:26.000 I can give you another one, for example, right?

00:25:28.000 So I'll give you another one, which is a leftist, right, would say, or a Marxist, you know, DEI type or whatever, social revolutionary type, would say men can become pregnant.

00:25:40.000 Okay?

00:25:41.000 A liberal would say, well, maybe, but that's just your opinion, right?

00:25:48.000 A conservative would say, this is a lie, it's nonsense, and it's disdamaging to the core structure of a society to tell children something that's not true.

00:25:56.000 Does that make sense?

00:25:56.000 So a liberal would be like, well, it's your opinion.

00:25:58.000 You could believe whatever you want to believe.

00:25:59.000 A leftist would be like, no, men have become pregnant.

00:26:01.000 If you don't believe it, I'm going to fire you.

00:26:03.000 You see that difference in a leftist and a liberal?

00:26:04.000 What's the difference?

00:26:06.000 A leftist is evil.

00:26:07.000 A liberal is weak.

00:26:09.000 Big difference.

00:26:10.000 That's a very big difference.

00:26:12.000 A liberal will know what the right thing to do is.

00:26:15.000 They're just too weak to do anything about it.

00:26:16.000 A conservative is the person that comes along again, disagreeable, and says, actually, this is all crazy and wrong, and therefore we'll do something about it.

00:26:24.000 So anyway, of course, a college campus is sympathetic to the liberal point of view, obviously, because first of all, you're being probably taught by people that, how do I put this nicely?

00:26:34.000 Do I need to put this nicely?

00:26:37.000 Yeah, you're being taught by people that quite honestly live in a deranged fantasy world.

00:26:41.000 That's the nicest way I could possibly put it, okay?

00:26:44.000 Not all of them, but some of them are very miserable people.

00:26:46.000 They're godless, most of them.

00:26:48.000 And they live in the fantasy land of in the clouds and of ideas that will never materialize into actual objective reality.

00:26:56.000 And they also kind of play, they look at themselves as a part of a broader historical revolution to get kids to believe something that is completely contrary to parents' values.

00:27:05.000 A conservative is the person, as William F. Buckley would say, who stands upon history and has the courage to say no.

00:27:13.000 When you think about that, who stands upon history and is the courage to say no.

00:27:16.000 Like, actually, no, it's not a good idea to do that.

00:27:18.000 That usually doesn't work well.

00:27:20.000 That's not good.

00:27:21.000 And so also a conservative is someone who believes, this is very important, the biggest difference between the conservative and liberal base.

00:27:27.000 This is why Christians should engage in this topic.

00:27:29.000 It's a very simple question.

00:27:31.000 Do you believe human beings are fundamentally good or fundamentally bad?

00:27:34.000 It's the most important question when you ask for political philosophy.

00:27:37.000 So let me ask you guys: are human beings good or bad?

00:27:39.000 Young people?

00:27:40.000 Bad, bad.

00:27:42.000 Yes, you've read your Bibles.

00:27:42.000 Good answer.

00:27:44.000 Praise God.

00:27:46.000 The left doesn't believe that.

00:27:48.000 If you ask them, they'd say human beings are fundamentally good.

00:27:51.000 This is a Rousseauian view of humanity.

00:27:54.000 It's a romantic view where they'd say human beings are born good, and then the rest of their life they get corrupted.

00:28:01.000 As Rousseau would say, man is born free and spends the rest of his life in chains.

00:28:07.000 So it's the society that's the problem.

00:28:09.000 The other difference between the left and the right, if I could just oversimplify it, liberal conservative, again, I'm overgeneralizing, but I think everyone's bearing with me, is that generally a conservative would say, if you're in trouble, you could probably behave better.

00:28:23.000 Generally, a liberal would say, if you're in trouble, society needs to change.

00:28:28.000 That's a general truth, by the way.

00:28:30.000 Also, let me say this: is that back in conservative America, we used to tell young people, you're the problem, and America is great.

00:28:40.000 Now in liberal America, we tell young people, you're great, and America's the problem.

00:28:46.000 That's the difference.

00:28:47.000 Thank you.

00:28:53.000 Hi.

00:28:55.000 I'm going to follow up with a question.

00:28:57.000 So I know a lot of people who are very protected, a lot of my friends, and a lot of people who aren't.

00:28:57.000 Okay.

00:29:10.000 At what point do you stop protecting your kids so that they're ready for the world?

00:29:15.000 Okay, so you, okay, that's a good question.

00:29:17.000 I think I understand what you're saying.

00:29:18.000 So you mean shelter.

00:29:20.000 Thank you.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, sheltering.

00:29:22.000 Okay, so that's a good question.

00:29:24.000 Okay.

00:29:24.000 So there's three types of parents.

00:29:26.000 Well, not three, but I'll kind of go through three.

00:29:28.000 There's bohemian parents.

00:29:32.000 The adults get the joke.

00:29:34.000 I had bohemian parents, by the way.

00:29:36.000 Praise God, I turned out okay.

00:29:37.000 Doors open, be home before dark-ish.

00:29:42.000 Right?

00:29:43.000 You know what I'm talking about.

00:29:44.000 I was raised like that.

00:29:45.000 I couldn't care less.

00:29:46.000 Typical baby boomer parents.

00:29:48.000 Wonderful, by the way.

00:29:49.000 If I got in trouble, you know, a ton of bricks would come down if they ever found out.

00:29:53.000 You understand what I mean, right?

00:29:55.000 So then you have helicopter parents, right?

00:29:58.000 And I'm not, some people, and then you have snowplow parents.

00:30:03.000 So helicopters, you're always over everything.

00:30:05.000 Snowplow is, I'm going to get rid of all the obstacles in front of my child so they'll never get sick, they'll never see anything bad.

00:30:13.000 Okay.

00:30:15.000 So let me start with the bohemian, okay?

00:30:18.000 Not endorsing it.

00:30:19.000 It's very risky.

00:30:20.000 But I will say this.

00:30:22.000 I will say this.

00:30:24.000 The most productive, I would say, funny, joyful people typically had bohemian parents.

00:30:32.000 It's totally Russian roulette with your child's future, by the way, okay?

00:30:36.000 No, I mean this.

00:30:38.000 You have no idea what's going to happen.

00:30:41.000 But when it works, they change the world.

00:30:45.000 Like Tucker Carlson, Dennis Prager, they all talk about how their parents were like this, okay?

00:30:50.000 And you probably all know stories like that.

00:30:52.000 But again, this is why the Irish had so many kids, right?

00:30:55.000 It's you're going to lose two to alcoholism, three to just be on the streets, and the last two will be CEOs and change the world, right?

00:31:05.000 And it's all going to work out.

00:31:07.000 You don't talk about the other five, but the two that are great are right next to Mother Mary and St. Peter, and you talk about them.

00:31:14.000 What happened to the other six?

00:31:15.000 We don't talk about them anymore, okay?

00:31:17.000 That's the O'Fallon family in every major, you know, in Chicago and Boston.

00:31:22.000 Not endorsing Bohemian, but if you could pull it off, good for you.

00:31:25.000 Helicopter is too much monitoring, too much surveilling, right?

00:31:31.000 I grew up where helicopter parenting was a thing, kind of always looking over a kid's shoulder, all of that.

00:31:37.000 Okay, that's not the worst thing, honestly, in the world.

00:31:40.000 I understand the inclination.

00:31:42.000 But the last thing, snowplow, no parent should be a snowplow parent, okay?

00:31:46.000 Let me just say a couple things.

00:31:47.000 It's okay to let your kid fail.

00:31:48.000 It's okay to let your kids see things accidentally that they identify as evil or wrong or even gross.

00:31:57.000 And I'll say that again.

00:31:58.000 It's okay for them to accidentally be exposed to something that is evil, wrong, or gross within proper paradigms.

00:32:04.000 You might say, Charlie, what about pornography, all this?

00:32:06.000 Of course, you need to put guardrails and all of that.

00:32:08.000 What do I mean?

00:32:09.000 If you're driving down the 101, are you going to make sure you put a blindfold over your 17-year-old's eyes so they don't see every billboard?

00:32:16.000 That's unrealistic.

00:32:17.000 In fact, it's wrong, and it makes them not develop the spiritual antibodies to be able to fight the viruses of sexual degeneracy or the things that they'll eventually find.

00:32:26.000 Right?

00:32:27.000 So that's a balance.

00:32:28.000 You got to pray for wisdom.

00:32:29.000 You got to be able to kind of go through all of that.

00:32:31.000 So what is the balance there?

00:32:33.000 Every child is different, right?

00:32:34.000 And you have to be able to kind of chart it this way.

00:32:37.000 I will say this, though.

00:32:38.000 Generally, as a general rule, parents are way out of whack.

00:32:41.000 Most of the time, I think parents right now have got to mostly get out of the way after they instill the values 14, 15, 16, and let kids go out and play.

00:32:50.000 I mean, I hear these stories, these kids that are these turning point leaders, 14, 15-year-olds, I'm like, well, don't you guys play outside?

00:32:55.000 They're like, well, my parents don't let me play outside because they found out that the leading cause of death in our local area was, you know, being run away.

00:33:02.000 What are you talking about?

00:33:04.000 I mean, look, I'm not trying to say you should increase the risk of tragedy for your child.

00:33:10.000 But another tragedy is not allowing your child to live.

00:33:14.000 It's not allowing your kid to leave the house as if I'm always going to be able to micromanage or helicopter everything they do.

00:33:20.000 So you got to use my favorite word, prudence.

00:33:23.000 You have to pray for God for wisdom.

00:33:25.000 That's the best advice I could give you, right?

00:33:28.000 And we generally as a country have got to get away from trying to remove the obstacles.

00:33:33.000 And by the way, just one in kind of the more, let's just say, medical world that drives me nuts.

00:33:38.000 It's okay if your child gets sick.

00:33:40.000 It's actually a good thing for them.

00:33:42.000 Like, I must vaccinate my kid against these 90 different things.

00:33:45.000 Okay, maybe, not going to tell you what to do, obviously, but you do realize that getting sick actually is a good thing for your child's long-term immune system.

00:33:53.000 It's actually very good.

00:33:55.000 And we kind of lose, like, my kid has a fever.

00:33:56.000 I have to go get the 90-second new vaccine.

00:33:59.000 Well, maybe.

00:34:00.000 It's actually stress on a human body is very good for you.

00:34:04.000 In fact, the new research shows too much comfort kills you.

00:34:08.000 And I'll go a step further.

00:34:09.000 Too much comfort, too much policing, too much snowplowing by a parent creates a miserable child.

00:34:15.000 Because they don't know how to do anything for themselves.

00:34:17.000 They don't know their path.

00:34:18.000 They don't know who they are or whose they are, right, with a relationship with the divine.

00:34:22.000 So that's my answer to that question.

00:34:24.000 Thank you.

00:34:30.000 Hi, I'm a graduated challenge student.

00:34:33.000 So glad to have you here.

00:34:35.000 My question for you is that I've noticed within a lot of Christian circles, kind of like you mentioned, the apathetic Christian, that kind of can't connect the dots between biblical truth and how we can support that in the culture in ways that do come through politically.

00:34:48.000 And even within college groups, I just see this disconnect of those who are true believers who I truly see following Christ but can't connect like, oh, I don't want to get into politics.

00:34:56.000 You know, it's all about just bringing people to Christ.

00:34:58.000 I don't want to confuse them.

00:34:59.000 And I've just kind of struggled with seeing that.

00:35:02.000 And what's the best way that you would say to kind of help people connect those dots?

00:35:05.000 Because again, most of my conservative beliefs, all of them actually, are based in my Christian worldview.

00:35:11.000 So how would you?

00:35:12.000 And yes, your conservative beliefs should be rooted in Christianity, of which they are harmonious to one another.

00:35:18.000 So, I don't know how to answer the question the best way to be able to persuade college Christians of how to care about this if they're in that way.

00:35:26.000 So, I'll try my best, but I can't tell you the best arguments.

00:35:29.000 If that is that probably helpful.

00:35:31.000 And so, again, I'll kind of go through some of these arguments, which is Jeremiah 29, 7, the Lord demands political involvement and demands cultural awareness.

00:35:39.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for his nation.

00:35:41.000 I went through some of this.

00:35:43.000 But I will say, even a step further, let's just kind of, the Lord asks us to be good stewards of all things that we receive.

00:35:49.000 And we are the recipients of this nation.

00:35:51.000 No one here in this room founded America.

00:35:54.000 You received something you did not create.

00:35:57.000 By definition, that means you are the inheritor of that thing.

00:36:00.000 And Jesus is very clear about what happens when you inherit something and you disregard it.

00:36:04.000 The parable of the talents is the most instructive teaching on this.

00:36:08.000 And so we received quite a lot.

00:36:10.000 And right now, American Christianity is hiding that talent, which is the currency, but it actually works in both ways, believe it or not, both the literal meaning of talent or the currency.

00:36:19.000 And we're hiding it under a rock.

00:36:22.000 And Jesus has some of his most harsh teaching when it comes to parable in the entire scriptures of what happens when you receive something and you don't make good on it.

00:36:31.000 You don't multiply.

00:36:31.000 You don't try to preserve or protect it.

00:36:33.000 But I will say this: that, I mean, whether it be Jesus saying, you know, do not let people go after little children or all these things, I just find it so interesting that people say it's all about the gospel.

00:36:45.000 It's all about the gospel.

00:36:46.000 And at the same time, they say they don't want to offend somebody.

00:36:50.000 And I mean this as lovingly as I possibly can.

00:36:53.000 But how on earth are you teaching the gospel without talking about eternal damnation?

00:36:57.000 And what could be more offensive than that?

00:37:01.000 That is infinitely more offensive than talking about abortion policy or talking about marriage.

00:37:06.000 You're talking about the soul of somebody in infinity, infinitum, to be tormented and in damnation.

00:37:13.000 But you don't want to offend anybody?

00:37:15.000 Well, then you're in the wrong business, man.

00:37:17.000 Because the gospel is by definition offensive to entire culture and world.

00:37:21.000 It speaks truth into a broken world.

00:37:23.000 It talks about things the culture does not like.

00:37:26.000 That there is a way.

00:37:28.000 A way.

00:37:29.000 And if you're not on the road, well, then you know exactly.

00:37:33.000 It's a narrow road, and wide is the path of destruction.

00:37:37.000 And so I would just challenge kind of the fellow Christian.

00:37:39.000 I don't know how persuasive this would be, right?

00:37:40.000 Which is, like, are you really in the business of not offending people?

00:37:43.000 They're like, well, you know, I just, it's not clear to me, you know, what the right political engagement is.

00:37:49.000 Okay, that's fair.

00:37:50.000 Let's just go to three issues I think that every Christian can agree on.

00:37:53.000 Life begins at conception and is worthy of protection, period.

00:37:56.000 It's biblical repeatedly on that topic.

00:37:59.000 Number two, God created man and woman, and we're going to stand for biological reality and not allow this transgender alphabet mafia nonsense to take over our entire country and sit idly by while biblical truth of biological reality corrodes our young people.

00:38:13.000 Not going to put up with it, I don't care what you call me, okay?

00:38:15.000 And the third thing is, the church is essential and will never be locked down again, while strip clubs, marijuana dispensaries and alcohol, alcohol places whatever you call them, you know, liquor stores, thank you remain open.

00:38:26.000 We're not going to put up with it.

00:38:27.000 And if a Christian was like well, that's not enough for For me, then you know, honestly, you got to go do your research, because those three things defined the American political conversation at moments in time.

00:38:38.000 Those three things, that God created man and woman, God created life at conception, and the church is essential.

00:38:44.000 We shut down the church while keeping strips, club trips, trip clubs open across the country.

00:38:48.000 We shut down the church but kept Home Depot open.

00:38:50.000 It was never about the virus, it was about controlling people.

00:38:53.000 And guess what?

00:38:54.000 When people aren't going to church, something fills that void.

00:38:57.000 Satan knew what he was doing.

00:38:58.000 Alcoholism went up, depression went up, porn sites nearly crashed because people couldn't get on them fast enough.

00:39:03.000 And the church, unfortunately, in my opinion, was way too willing to comply.

00:39:07.000 They say Romans 13.

00:39:09.000 They don't know Romans 13 if it hit them across the face.

00:39:12.000 Romans 13 says submit to all people and government authority.

00:39:15.000 Who's in charge in this country?

00:39:16.000 The people are in charge.

00:39:17.000 So who's submitting to who?

00:39:19.000 The mayors submit to us.

00:39:20.000 The governors submit to us.

00:39:22.000 The state reps submit to us.

00:39:24.000 And pastors are like, well, we have to submit to our government leaders.

00:39:27.000 It doesn't say that.

00:39:28.000 It says to submit those in charge.

00:39:30.000 We're in charge.

00:39:31.000 And pastors use that as a misquoted, misapplied scripture all throughout the pandemic.

00:39:37.000 Thank you.

00:39:39.000 Okay, we'll do a couple more.

00:39:41.000 Get through it as quickly as I can.

00:39:42.000 Hi, my name is Evan Lopez, and I'm a Challenge A student.

00:39:47.000 I was just wondering if there are any colleges you recommend.

00:39:50.000 Okay.

00:39:51.000 It's a great question.

00:39:52.000 I'm chuckling because, yeah, well, there are a couple, but again, this is where the parents get the pitchforks.

00:40:02.000 My thoughts on college are very well publicized.

00:40:05.000 So let me give all the possible prerequisite disclaimers, okay?

00:40:11.000 College is right for some people, but not for all people.

00:40:15.000 We have way too many people going to four-year college in our country.

00:40:18.000 Way too many people, okay?

00:40:21.000 With that being said, some of you in this room should go to four-year college.

00:40:25.000 Some of you should not go to four-year college.

00:40:28.000 You should pray about it, should talk to your parents about it, but never feel pressured that you have to go to college.

00:40:34.000 Okay?

00:40:35.000 Generally, college is a scam.

00:40:38.000 I wrote a whole book called The College Scam, actually.

00:40:40.000 You could read it.

00:40:41.000 35 pages of footnotes, brainwash your kids, bankrupt them all to get a piece of paper.

00:40:46.000 Okay, we could talk at great length about that, but here's the one that I love.

00:40:50.000 And they sponsored our stuff, and Hillsdale College is phenomenal.

00:40:53.000 They're fantastic.

00:40:54.000 Hillsdale College is terrific.

00:40:56.000 Arizona Christian does a great job in the West Valley.

00:40:58.000 They really do a nice job.

00:41:00.000 I'm in kind of including them.

00:41:02.000 Some of the Christian schools that used to be really good are slipping a little bit.

00:41:07.000 And so I'm not going to.

00:41:08.000 Liberty's still great, but they got some things that they're dealing with.

00:41:12.000 But they're still very good in Lynchburg, Virginia.

00:41:14.000 I want to give them a shout out.

00:41:16.000 But I'll stop there.

00:41:18.000 There's still some good ones.

00:41:19.000 I think there's about 15 good ones.

00:41:20.000 I can't remember them all.

00:41:21.000 Hillsdale's at the top of the list.

00:41:22.000 Hillsdale is the most similar to the education you're currently receiving.

00:41:26.000 It's the most similar.

00:41:27.000 It's the same method of learning.

00:41:29.000 It's the same curriculum base.

00:41:30.000 Hillsdale is fabulous.

00:41:31.000 And if you guys ever want to take the free online courses, we have a partnership with them.

00:41:35.000 It's charlie4hillsdale.com.

00:41:37.000 They have 32 online courses.

00:41:39.000 I've completed half of them.

00:41:40.000 They're life-changing from Churchill to Aristotle to Constitution 101.

00:41:43.000 I know some of you are probably saying, I've already taken them.

00:41:45.000 Great.

00:41:46.000 They're fabulous.

00:41:47.000 So, Hillsdale College.

00:41:49.000 God bless you.

00:41:53.000 My name is Connor.

00:41:54.000 I'm a CC Challenge 1 student.

00:41:57.000 And my question for you is: knowing the way the country is today and the things that are happening, what do you think our founding fathers would do?

00:42:07.000 They would.

00:42:09.000 No, hold on, Don.

00:42:10.000 Easy.

00:42:13.000 No, they would be impatient at this point.

00:42:16.000 You know, I will say this about, I mean, I'm a huge student of the founding, and I love it, and I think it's so special, and it's misunderstood.

00:42:26.000 I never loved the word revolution.

00:42:29.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:42:31.000 I don't think it actually captures how the founders stumbled into what founded our country.

00:42:37.000 So the French definitely had a revolution, okay?

00:42:42.000 And a revolution in modern English really kind of has this idea of seismic shift and overthrow.

00:42:50.000 Seismic shift, yes, but it really wasn't an overthrow.

00:42:54.000 In fact, if you read the Declaration of Independence, they knew what they were doing, but the spirit was like, hey, can we just separate?

00:43:03.000 Can we do this without having to fire a bullet?

00:43:05.000 And I think it's a very important thing.

00:43:08.000 And this is where people, you know, some Christian came out to me.

00:43:10.000 They said, Charlie, the founding fathers were no way they could be Christian because they sought war where peace would have done.

00:43:15.000 I said, hold on, who declared war on who?

00:43:18.000 I said, they were taxed, imprisoned against their will.

00:43:21.000 Lexington and Concord, whether it be the taking over of people's homes.

00:43:26.000 And then they did a massive plea where they basically said, when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands that have tied them to another, deriving from the equal power station, the laws of nature and nature is God.

00:43:38.000 It goes on to say, eventually life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness endowed by their creator.

00:43:44.000 That doesn't actually sound like a revolution.

00:43:47.000 That doesn't sound like we're declaring war on you.

00:43:49.000 That says you're morally wrong and we are impelled to a separation from you.

00:43:53.000 But they knew what it meant.

00:43:54.000 They weren't dumb, right?

00:43:55.000 They knew what was going to come next.

00:43:57.000 But if King George would have just said, you know what, fine, here's your country.

00:44:00.000 Do you think they still would have went to war?

00:44:01.000 No.

00:44:02.000 That's a very important distinction that I think people miss sometimes, right?

00:44:06.000 They say, 1776 is nothing but a violent conflict.

00:44:09.000 That's not true.

00:44:10.000 They were so meticulous about the reasons.

00:44:13.000 If you read the Declaration, it goes on forever listing how bad King George is.

00:44:18.000 And you put prisoners in our home and you moved the Capitol and you did all these different things and you don't give us representation and you put our prisoners in here.

00:44:26.000 And it's like one after the other after the other after the other.

00:44:29.000 And so at the end, they finally, you know, they know what they're doing.

00:44:32.000 They say we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

00:44:34.000 That's a battle cry, right?

00:44:36.000 They know kind of what's going to happen next.

00:44:38.000 They know they're signing a death warrant on a, you know, in a coastal town of Philadelphia with the world's greatest Navy ever.

00:44:45.000 But their heart was not for conflict.

00:44:48.000 Their heart was for self-government.

00:44:50.000 That's a very big difference.

00:44:51.000 So what would the founders be thinking right now?

00:44:53.000 Well, but, boy, I'd love to get Ben Franklin's take on what's happening now.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, they would think the same a lot of you do, which is, boy, we have a serious, serious problem right now.

00:45:03.000 And they'd also say, how did you mess this up so much?

00:45:07.000 We gave you three branches, separation of powers.

00:45:11.000 You've got this whole fourth branch of government that's unchecked, unknown, and unelected, the FBI, DOJ, CIA, all this stuff.

00:45:17.000 Who put that?

00:45:18.000 Like, did you guys not read the framework?

00:45:21.000 I think there would be a Rip Van Winkle learning curve of which would be quite comedic.

00:45:27.000 For those of you that don't know, Rip Van Winkle fell asleep for 20 years and then woke up in a world completely, totally changed.

00:45:31.000 That would be on, it would be quite even more than that for the founding fathers.

00:45:35.000 But I think the founders would give us advice to say, hey, you still have a framework.

00:45:41.000 Use it.

00:45:41.000 The other side wants you to be violent.

00:45:44.000 Stay peaceful.

00:45:46.000 And try to restore the principles and the structure of the republic.

00:45:50.000 Appreciate it.

00:45:50.000 Thank you.

00:45:53.000 We'll go another 15 minutes.

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:56.000 My name is Asher, and I'm a student in Challenge One.

00:46:00.000 And my question for you was, in what way do you think social media has ruined education the most?

00:46:05.000 Yeah, so I think social media is so dangerous.

00:46:09.000 You say ruined education.

00:46:11.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:46:12.000 So I'll broaden it a little bit and then I'll answer that.

00:46:15.000 I am not a fan of what I consider to be the largest open-air drug experiment in human history, which is the smartphones.

00:46:26.000 And I say this to parents, and I am incredibly non-persuasive in this because almost nothing ever changes.

00:46:33.000 I do not think parents understand the neurological damage that these devices are doing.

00:46:38.000 They don't.

00:46:39.000 And why children get smartphones, and I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad, I'm telling you, it's like giving your kid heroin.

00:46:46.000 It's worse.

00:46:46.000 Go look at a brain scan of an average 17 or 18-year-old.

00:46:49.000 Neurologists cannot understand what's happening.

00:46:51.000 And the answer is nine hours of screen time of looking at highly dopamine-sensitive material.

00:46:57.000 You are destroying your brain.

00:46:59.000 And I can get into that in a little bit further.

00:47:01.000 The people that have actually, this is my favorite quote, and parents, please pray on this.

00:47:06.000 Steve Jobs didn't let his kids ever use an iPhone or an iPad, ever.

00:47:12.000 Because he knew what they were.

00:47:14.000 He knew what he was doing.

00:47:16.000 The creator of Pinterest, the people that create the Google phones, they don't let any devices in their home.

00:47:22.000 Now, why would that be?

00:47:23.000 Because they know what they're doing every single day.

00:47:26.000 These people are drug dealers.

00:47:29.000 They're not social media companies.

00:47:31.000 They're a cartel, no different than the Sinola cartel.

00:47:33.000 The only difference is that we gleefully act as if it's made our life so much better.

00:47:37.000 Okay, yeah, we get maps and we can talk all the time.

00:47:39.000 I guarantee you, if I asked all of you, 90% of you would say that it makes you more anxious, less likely to connect, makes your family discussions or dinners harder, harder to get your kids to concentrate.

00:47:48.000 These things have been abysmal, not better.

00:47:51.000 You want to see the curve of suicide, depression, anxiety, medication.

00:47:54.000 We have 6 million kids, by the way, right now on psychiatric medication under the age of 15.

00:47:58.000 6 million kids on Ritalin, Adderall, Benzodiazepans, which never should have been approved for kids ever.

00:48:04.000 Separate issue.

00:48:05.000 It goes up like a hockey stick in 2014.

00:48:08.000 I wonder what happened in 2014.

00:48:11.000 Every single kid got a smartphone, not a cell phone.

00:48:15.000 I grew up with cell phones.

00:48:17.000 Okay?

00:48:18.000 You could text three times a month and it cost you $200.

00:48:22.000 Okay?

00:48:24.000 The smartphones.

00:48:27.000 And we're going to look back.

00:48:28.000 I said this, and I, who knows who's listening, right?

00:48:31.000 We're going to look back in 20 or 30 years from now and we're going to say, what did we do?

00:48:37.000 It will be a generation that will be so severely neurologically damaged because of this.

00:48:41.000 So let me tell you why that is the case, okay?

00:48:44.000 God designed us for the wild.

00:48:47.000 He designed us to be able to survive in the forest, in the trees, and the desert.

00:48:52.000 Stimulation is something that's supposed to be rare and is something, and the reward chemical in your brain, whenever you think of reward, think of dopamine, okay?

00:49:02.000 Meaning it's trying to get you towards a reward.

00:49:04.000 It's trying to incentivize you to push further, okay?

00:49:07.000 Now, dopamine is great in some sense.

00:49:09.000 It can make you work longer hours.

00:49:11.000 It can make you complete a road trip.

00:49:13.000 It can make you dig deeper.

00:49:14.000 It can even make you try to want to court a wife, whatever it might be.

00:49:18.000 Dopamine is something God gave you to be able to pursue excellence.

00:49:22.000 What happens, though, is that you study the brains of a young child and they're given a phone.

00:49:27.000 It is highly stimulating imagery and video that is designed to prick and prod the dopaminergic circuit in your child's brain so that it destroys their ability to differentiate between reality and fiction and reward and punishment.

00:49:42.000 All day, they will see more stimulating imagery in 10 minutes than your ancestors saw in a lifetime.

00:49:50.000 And it's designed to do that.

00:49:51.000 So by the time they're 19 or 20, they're like, I'm super depressed.

00:49:55.000 No, you're not.

00:49:56.000 Your screen time is nine hours a day.

00:49:58.000 Go turn your phone off.

00:49:59.000 And by the way, study after study after study shows six days in nature, no phone, all of a sudden people report that their depression goes down 70 to 80 percent.

00:50:07.000 70 to 80 percent without antidepressants, without Adderall, just that alone.

00:50:12.000 And so, yeah, look, I'm an outspoken critic of what I consider to be, you know, these digital pacifiers, which is nothing more to, and by the way, I'm a bad offender of it, but I limit my screen time to three hours a day, which you might seem is a lot.

00:50:28.000 Average kid is nine and a half hours a day, just so you know, okay?

00:50:32.000 When I go around to campuses, kids are anywhere between 11 to 14 hours a day on their device.

00:50:37.000 It is the merging of machine and man, right?

00:50:41.000 So what's the takeaway of all that?

00:50:44.000 Parents, you know, do what you will.

00:50:46.000 My daughter, not getting a screen.

00:50:48.000 I'm telling you that.

00:50:49.000 It's going to take effort.

00:50:49.000 It's going to take work.

00:50:50.000 I know it.

00:50:51.000 I was raised that one.

00:50:51.000 Guess what?

00:50:52.000 I'm going to ask my parents what they did, right?

00:50:55.000 Books, crayons, drawing, I don't care.

00:50:57.000 I know the damage they do, right?

00:51:00.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:51:01.000 And yes, that means at dinner we might actually have to talk to our daughter, right?

00:51:04.000 Have a conversation.

00:51:05.000 You know, when I go out to eat and I see people, they're just the whole family looking at the phones.

00:51:10.000 And I say, what have we become?

00:51:12.000 So, yeah, basically, we've allowed this device to destroy almost everything in our society.

00:51:18.000 So I think that will be a happier, every person in this room could commit some of those principles to your life to be happier.

00:51:24.000 And I turn my phone off from Friday night to Saturday night.

00:51:26.000 I do a true kind of Sabbath with that, and it's made my life significantly better.

00:51:32.000 So that's a good kind of action step.

00:51:33.000 Try to do one day a week, no phone.

00:51:34.000 I highly, highly recommend it.

00:51:36.000 Okay, thank you.

00:51:42.000 Hi.

00:51:43.000 Hi, my name is Beau Shooter, and I'm eight years old, and I'm in third grade in CC, and I was going to ask you, would you like to run for president and why?

00:51:58.000 Very kind.

00:52:02.000 That's a kind question.

00:52:03.000 Look, I love what I get to do.

00:52:05.000 I mean that I do three hours of radio a day.

00:52:08.000 And thank you for those of you that listen to our podcast and listen to our radio program and watch us on Real America's Voice every day.

00:52:14.000 We're really honored by that.

00:52:15.000 The audience is growing like crazy.

00:52:17.000 I can't figure out why, but it's pretty awesome.

00:52:20.000 So I get to do that.

00:52:21.000 I get to run Turning Point, which I believe is one of the most important organizations in the country pushing forward these values and the work we're doing.

00:52:28.000 And so people say, you're going to run for office.

00:52:30.000 Why exactly would I want to run for office if I'm making a difference and I love what I get to do?

00:52:34.000 I get to live in paradise in Arizona.

00:52:36.000 I've never really, that's not true.

00:52:37.000 I've met a couple.

00:52:39.000 Almost every politician I've ever met is a deeply unhappy person.

00:52:43.000 Right, Don?

00:52:44.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 That's why I thought of you as the exception.

00:52:47.000 And that's why they had to, you know.

00:52:50.000 He said it.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:52:52.000 Because he was so happy.

00:52:54.000 And so the answer is no.

00:52:56.000 I'm here to support the good guys.

00:52:57.000 Keep doing this.

00:52:58.000 But who knows what's going to happen in a different life?

00:53:00.000 We just have to make sure I have a country.

00:53:01.000 That's the most important thing.

00:53:02.000 We've got to make sure we have a country.

00:53:03.000 God bless you, man.

00:53:04.000 Thank you.

00:53:09.000 Hi, my name is Jada.

00:53:10.000 I'm a Challenge 2 student.

00:53:11.000 And my question for you is, what is the difference between equity and equality?

00:53:15.000 Oh, wow, that's a great question.

00:53:17.000 Okay, so equity is a smokescreen camouflaged term that really means redistributive Marxism.

00:53:25.000 Okay, and that's really wordy.

00:53:27.000 What does that mean?

00:53:28.000 Okay, let me kind of bully it down.

00:53:29.000 So equity means taking from somebody else to give somebody who didn't earn it.

00:53:32.000 Earn is my favorite word in the English language.

00:53:35.000 People that generally are unhappy are not earning something.

00:53:40.000 Not just money, by the way, earning respect, earning somebody's time.

00:53:44.000 Earn is fulfillment.

00:53:45.000 That's why it says all throughout the scriptures, a man does not work, he does not eat.

00:53:49.000 Another way to say that is if you're not earning something, you're not going to be able to give something that is life-giving.

00:53:54.000 It's another way to word that, okay?

00:53:56.000 What is equality?

00:53:57.000 Okay, so this is a very important thing.

00:54:00.000 I'll give you actually some examples outside of the esoteric philosophical.

00:54:04.000 So, equality, as the Greeks would say at Eleutheria, is this idea of you as a species are equal under the divine?

00:54:13.000 This is very important.

00:54:14.000 Therefore, you have equal rights, but you do not have equal outcomes or equal talents, okay, or equal skills.

00:54:20.000 But you are the same type of thing.

00:54:22.000 You're a speaking being, meaning you have a mind, body, and soul, and you should be respected with that kind of, you should be respected and given that kind of intentionality because you are a human being.

00:54:33.000 So, what does that, how does that look like in practice?

00:54:35.000 That means, regardless of who you are, your right to speech, your right to own a firearm, your right to privacy is protected because of equal protection under the law.

00:54:45.000 Equity is very different, okay?

00:54:48.000 Equity would make wide-ranging, inappropriate, inaccurate assumptions and then distribute rights based on that.

00:54:57.000 For example, they would look at all economic distribution data and they'd say, wow, white people are generally wealthier than black people.

00:55:04.000 So, what we should do is we should say white people can't get as many jobs.

00:55:08.000 They shouldn't be hired in the hiring process and black people should.

00:55:10.000 That's equity.

00:55:13.000 So, they're making a discriminatory action based on an inappropriate analysis of data.

00:55:17.000 By the way, it's not even technically true if you factor in two parent households, black people actually earn more than white people if they have both a mom and dad in the home.

00:55:26.000 Okay?

00:55:27.000 White washes away a lot of those arguments.

00:55:29.000 But equity is basically using force to try to right a wrong that they think exists.

00:55:35.000 And it is spreading all across the country, whether it be in internships, jobs, college admissions.

00:55:42.000 We see the latest one at a State Street Advisors, one of the largest hiring firms, one of the largest financial firms in the country.

00:55:48.000 They say that people of color get internships first, and then white people have to go through an entire unanimous board approval before they get approved at the firm.

00:55:57.000 That's one of many examples.

00:55:58.000 I'll give you another one.

00:55:59.000 United Airlines has announced that 50% of all the new pilots they're going to hire are going to be black pilots.

00:56:06.000 Okay, I have nothing against black pilots, and I'm sure you agree.

00:56:10.000 When I'm flying in a plane, I want to make sure my pilot was hired because he scored a very high score on how to land an airplane, not because the color of his skin.

00:56:19.000 How about when you have heart surgery?

00:56:21.000 You want your heart surgeon to be hired because of equity or because of competency?

00:56:25.000 Equity is the death of competency.

00:56:27.000 You live in a very wealthy, safe society because we elevated competency over equity.

00:56:33.000 It's a very important thing.

00:56:34.000 When countries elevate the other, you're going to start to see the casualties that come from that.

00:56:39.000 So, does that make sense between equity and equality?

00:56:41.000 Where equality would be like you're all human beings, you're all treated equally, right, as far as your rights, due process.

00:56:48.000 At the same time, we're going to make decisions based on things you can change, not based on things you can't change.

00:56:54.000 And that's the final thing.

00:56:55.000 Equality makes decisions based on things that can be changed.

00:56:59.000 For example, are you showing up early to your job interview?

00:57:02.000 Are you dressed nicely?

00:57:03.000 Are you presenting yourself?

00:57:05.000 Did you study?

00:57:06.000 Or is it just based solely on the color of your skin?

00:57:09.000 Equity gives a priority based on things you cannot change no matter how hard you tried.

00:57:13.000 Equality would give a preference based on effort, integrity, focus, values.

00:57:19.000 Are some people going to be more talented than others?

00:57:21.000 Of course, that's life.

00:57:23.000 But generally, we want to create a society based that empowers you where you say, hey, if you work hard and play by the rules, you're going to be able to move up in society.

00:57:31.000 Not, hey, if you have a certain skin color, you're going to be treated better.

00:57:35.000 All right, thank you.

00:57:36.000 Appreciate it.

00:57:40.000 We'll do two more, okay?

00:57:42.000 Sorry, everybody.

00:57:43.000 Two more.

00:57:44.000 Hi, my name is McKenzie.

00:57:46.000 This is my friend Abby.

00:57:47.000 She's with me.

00:57:48.000 Oh, is it a joint question then?

00:57:49.000 Yes.

00:57:50.000 All right, then you do get your question answered.

00:57:53.000 She's here for support.

00:57:55.000 We're both in challenge one.

00:57:56.000 And my question was: What would you say to a pro-abortionist if they were to tell you, you know, I believe that it is okay to abort babies because they do not have a conscience?

00:58:11.000 Got it.

00:58:11.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:12.000 Okay, so do you want to play the pro-abortion person?

00:58:14.000 Yes.

00:58:15.000 Okay.

00:58:16.000 Okay, so therefore, is it morally okay to unplug every person that currently is in a coma right now, absent major brain activity?

00:58:27.000 I mean.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, the pro-abortionist would say, ah, whatever, how you reacted.

00:58:35.000 That's the point, right?

00:58:36.000 Is that, no, that would be considered murder and not acceptable and not okay.

00:58:40.000 So then the other question is: what actually defines a human being, right?

00:58:44.000 And so we as Christians believe that we're more than reason.

00:58:47.000 It's a very important thing.

00:58:49.000 Reason is a gift from God, but it's not your entirety of your being.

00:58:53.000 I'll prove it to you.

00:58:54.000 How many times in your life have you said, I'm at a loss for words?

00:59:01.000 Have you ever had an experience where you say, I'm speechless?

00:59:06.000 Speech is reason, by the way.

00:59:07.000 Literally, in the beginning was the word, the word was God, and the word was with God.

00:59:10.000 Okay.

00:59:11.000 But there's times when your being transcends your ability to reason.

00:59:16.000 Or you say, words just can't describe.

00:59:21.000 That's all, those are all examples of what?

00:59:24.000 Your soul taking over your reason.

00:59:26.000 There's something else in you beyond your reason.

00:59:29.000 We believe as Christians, that's actually who we really are, by the way.

00:59:33.000 The mind and the body are just temporary.

00:59:35.000 We're a three-part being, the same as God is a three-part being.

00:59:37.000 But who we really are is not the body.

00:59:40.000 It's not the mind.

00:59:41.000 In certain scriptural interpretations, there is a belief in a bodily resurrection.

00:59:45.000 I'm not going to get into that.

00:59:45.000 That's fine.

00:59:46.000 But who we really are eternally is our soul.

00:59:48.000 It's our soul that will be in heaven, right?

00:59:51.000 It's not our mind, and it's not our body.

00:59:54.000 That means who cares if there's not a brain wave detected?

00:59:54.000 Why is that important?

00:59:57.000 Is there a soul?

00:59:58.000 We believe yes.

00:59:58.000 We believe the soul enters the being at conception.

01:00:02.000 The scriptures tell us that.

01:00:03.000 And also, science tells us that as well.

01:00:05.000 And so as soon as you admit that, your entire construct of how you view abortion changes.

01:00:10.000 Because if it's just reason, then yeah, okay, you could terminate the baby if there's no brain wave, but we're more than reason.

01:00:14.000 We always have been.

01:00:15.000 In fact, everyone will agree with you that you say, and this is how you know, this is how you know human beings are more than reason.

01:00:20.000 We congregate to look at sunsets.

01:00:22.000 We love looking at mountains.

01:00:24.000 Why?

01:00:25.000 We love things that are rare, exceptional, and point up.

01:00:27.000 Because deep down, we're always trying to look towards the divine.

01:00:32.000 Even an atheist loves a good walk on the beach as the sun is setting.

01:00:36.000 I don't believe in God.

01:00:37.000 Yes, you do.

01:00:39.000 You just don't want to say it.

01:00:40.000 You enjoy all the fruit of God.

01:00:42.000 It's like, I don't think he exists.

01:00:43.000 Like, okay, then get out of Aspen.

01:00:47.000 It's like, no, you actually love things that are created.

01:00:50.000 You love objective truth and beauty and reality.

01:00:53.000 So that's what I would say to the pro-abortionist.

01:00:56.000 All right, the last question.

01:00:56.000 Thank you.

01:01:00.000 Hi, my name is Ronan.

01:01:01.000 I'm a challenge to student.

01:01:03.000 And I was wondering, so I know your views on not going to college.

01:01:08.000 For some people, let's play.

01:01:08.000 For some people.

01:01:10.000 So I play sports, and I was wondering your views on going to college to progress further in.

01:01:19.000 Yeah, look, college athletes can be immune to some of this stuff because their head is so down.

01:01:23.000 They're working so hard.

01:01:25.000 They just, it's all the other stuff is kind of noise.

01:01:27.000 So I would encourage you to talk to some athletes.

01:01:29.000 It still doesn't, it also does matter based on what school you select.

01:01:33.000 By the way, Hillsdale has all the sports, so you can still go there.

01:01:36.000 And I get a lot of college athletes messaging me, Charlie, what do I do?

01:01:39.000 Where do I go?

01:01:40.000 Look, you actually, you know, unless you believe you're going to be Olympian or a professional athlete, okay, which you might be, by the way, then use sports as a way to be able to get into the best non-woke school you possibly can most affordably if you still want to go to college and play your sport, right?

01:01:56.000 There are, I mean, there, so say you're a football, what sport is your baseball, baseball, great.

01:02:02.000 You know, Hillsdale has a baseball team, right?

01:02:04.000 Baseball actually is more widespread than football teams because it's a lower cost barrier to entry, right?

01:02:09.000 So my advice would be baseball could be, and maybe, you know, you have aspirations paying the majors, and you know, that would be awesome and it'd be amazing, but maybe not.

01:02:16.000 Maybe you're like, you know, I don't want to play in the majors.

01:02:18.000 I want to play in college or whatever it might be.

01:02:20.000 Then use the sport as a means to an end.

01:02:22.000 Does that make sense?

01:02:23.000 But if the sport is the end, then great.

01:02:25.000 That's a different calculation, right?

01:02:27.000 Than go to Ole Miss and go win a national championship because that's what they do there, right?

01:02:31.000 So if that makes sense, how you'd kind of work through that.

01:02:34.000 So, all right, thank you.

01:02:35.000 I'll take one more because they're trying to be chomping at the bit.

01:02:41.000 We have a joined question.

01:02:43.000 All right.

01:02:44.000 She wants to know what.

01:02:47.000 So I want to know what is your thoughts about the masks.

01:02:52.000 The masks?

01:02:53.000 Well, I'm not a fan of masks at all.

01:02:56.000 The part about the mask conversation that always bothered me, and this is what just so irritated me, is that for years I spoke out against the Islamic world masking their women because we called it dehumanizing and we said all these things.

01:03:11.000 And then we just kind of import that entire thing and act as if there's going to be no issue with that.

01:03:17.000 Children's speech are delayed.

01:03:19.000 We have all these other issues that have happened.

01:03:21.000 Familiarity, and Aristotle wrote significantly about this in the politics, and you guys are probably already on Aristotle, but it's like book five in the politics.

01:03:30.000 He said, familiarity is the first thing a tyrant tries to destroy.

01:03:30.000 It's amazing.

01:03:34.000 So beautiful, right?

01:03:36.000 If you think about it, familiarity breeds trust, Aristotle writes, because trust is the great antidote to tyranny.

01:03:42.000 That's such a, I mean, this guy's, obviously.

01:03:44.000 We study him for a reason.

01:03:45.000 You think about it, wow, trust between neighbors makes it less likely for a tyrant to take over.

01:03:51.000 That's so profound, right?

01:03:52.000 So if you trust your neighbor and you trust each other and you can communicate with one another and you know each other, see your face, God gave us a face for a reason.

01:04:00.000 We're made in the image of God.

01:04:01.000 God didn't give us a face as a throwaway thing.

01:04:04.000 We decide to put a piece of cloth over literally the image-bearer part of the identifying aspect of an image of God.

01:04:11.000 And we act as if, like, oh, yeah, it's the Christian thing to go wear a mask.

01:04:14.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:04:16.000 First of all, that's not epidemiologically true.

01:04:18.000 That's not scientifically true.

01:04:19.000 That's not biologically true.

01:04:21.000 But just spiritually, do you think it's actually making us harsher or kinder as a society?

01:04:25.000 Harsher!

01:04:26.000 It's like the meanest people ever.

01:04:28.000 Because you're anonymous.

01:04:28.000 You know why?

01:04:29.000 You feel like you can get away with anything.

01:04:31.000 It stops both sides when you have to see a face.

01:04:34.000 Like, oh, wow, that's actually a human being.

01:04:36.000 The meanest people that I experienced the last two years all wear masks.

01:04:39.000 Not because they're necessarily mean people.

01:04:41.000 I think the masks made them meaner.

01:04:42.000 I really do.

01:04:44.000 I think that if you feel as if you somehow have a barrier to the other person and they do too, what will you not do?

01:04:50.000 So, not a fan.

01:04:51.000 Thank you.

01:04:53.000 Do you have a follow-up?

01:04:54.000 All right.

01:04:55.000 What also are your thoughts on the vaccination mandates?

01:04:59.000 Oh, I'm totally above vaccination.

01:05:00.000 I don't know what I did here.

01:05:02.000 Totally opposed, obviously.

01:05:03.000 My thoughts on the vaccine are pretty well published.

01:05:05.000 You guys can subscribe to my podcast here.

01:05:08.000 I mean, the fact, first of all, just for children, vaccines of COVID, the rest of the world has decided not to give COVID vaccines anymore to kids.

01:05:15.000 We're the only country that continues to do this garbage.

01:05:18.000 And again, you might think it's the greatest thing ever.

01:05:19.000 I'm not here to convince you otherwise.

01:05:20.000 Just please.

01:05:21.000 Only thing I always ask on the vaccine topic: you could be pro-vaccine, COVID vaccine, all that stuff, but please do at least an hour of listening to Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Peter McCullough before you tell me how great the vaccine is.

01:05:32.000 That's my only ask, okay?

01:05:33.000 Is just go spend an hour listening to them.

01:05:35.000 And then you can still have those opinions, okay?

01:05:37.000 Because he invented the technology to this stuff, and he's pretty well credentialed, and he has some pretty strong opinions.

01:05:45.000 And so I just borrow opinions from them and repeat them.

01:05:48.000 But the fact that we have been firing people, kicking them out of school, kicking out of police forces, kicking out of fire departments for not taking an experimental gene therapy that has been proven not to do exactly what they promised to do.

01:05:59.000 Limit infection, no, and prevent death at all costs against it.

01:06:02.000 No, it just didn't do that.

01:06:03.000 So they say it's a therapy.

01:06:05.000 Well, if it's a therapy, then I want to compare it against other therapies, okay?

01:06:08.000 How does then the mRNA gene-altering vaccine compare against ivermectin intervention, intravenous therapy, ozone therapy?

01:06:16.000 What is the average vitamin D level of someone who passes away with COVID?

01:06:19.000 Were they ever told to take a vitamin D supplement?

01:06:20.000 Where was the mask campaign to get vitamin D in the hands of people?

01:06:24.000 That alone very well could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

01:06:27.000 If your vitamin D level is above 50, you have a much better chance to be able to block and interrupt the cytokosine storm.

01:06:32.000 I could go on.

01:06:32.000 I could go into baby aspirin.

01:06:33.000 I could go into all the different stuff that has been proven to show actual interventions.

01:06:38.000 But instead, I believe pharma kind of controls a lot of part of our government.

01:06:42.000 I believe we live in a kind of pharmaceutical controlled state at this point.

01:06:45.000 If you guys disagree, that's fine.

01:06:46.000 I just ask you to go, you know, check out Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Malone, who I think are highly informative on this.

01:06:46.000 That's okay.

01:06:52.000 Thank you.

01:06:52.000 Appreciate it.

01:06:53.000 Thank you.

01:06:54.000 He's not going to let me go, this guy.

01:06:56.000 All right, fine.

01:06:57.000 All right.

01:06:58.000 No more.

01:06:59.000 You already asked when.

01:06:59.000 I'm sorry, my man.

01:07:00.000 I'm sorry.

01:07:01.000 We're done.

01:07:02.000 Done.

01:07:02.000 All right.

01:07:03.000 Go ahead.

01:07:05.000 So, do you think that Trump should go for president?

01:07:09.000 See, I should have cut it off.

01:07:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:11.000 This is.

01:07:13.000 Even though people would not vote for Trump because he's Trump.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, look, I'll say this personally, again, not on behalf of Turning Point.

01:07:20.000 I'll say this.

01:07:22.000 You're right.

01:07:23.000 I do think that some people harbor a sentiment against him that will vote against him no matter what, no matter what he does.

01:07:30.000 And look, I totally agree.

01:07:32.000 He has his, let's put it this way, idiosyncrasies, okay?

01:07:34.000 He's a unique person.

01:07:36.000 But do we ever talk about his virtues ever?

01:07:38.000 And there are some.

01:07:39.000 He's a courageous man.

01:07:41.000 He is.

01:07:41.000 He loves his country.

01:07:43.000 He acts boldly.

01:07:44.000 He told people what he was going to do, and he did it.

01:07:46.000 And again, some people say, I don't like his style.

01:07:48.000 I don't like my kids watching him.

01:07:49.000 Okay.

01:07:50.000 You hired a bodyguard.

01:07:52.000 That's what you did when you hired Trump.

01:07:54.000 The door is wide open.

01:07:56.000 Your family's unprotected right now.

01:07:58.000 Bodyguards sometimes have a history, a rap sheet.

01:08:01.000 They have tattoos.

01:08:02.000 They don't talk nicely.

01:08:02.000 They don't tweet the way you would like it.

01:08:04.000 But a good bodyguard will protect your family when the bullets start flying.

01:08:08.000 And that's what he did.

01:08:09.000 He did.

01:08:10.000 And so I understand.

01:08:14.000 I understand he's gruff, rough around the edge.

01:08:16.000 Okay, whatever.

01:08:16.000 Fine.

01:08:16.000 I've heard every single thing.

01:08:17.000 You'll pause, please.

01:08:18.000 Whatever.

01:08:19.000 I'm exhausted of hearing that stuff.

01:08:21.000 But yeah, I mean, look, I think we know what we have in him.

01:08:25.000 I believe that if he ran for president, I think he could win.

01:08:29.000 I think we could get into this if you want, probably don't have the time.

01:08:32.000 2020 was a mess.

01:08:33.000 I think it was highly interfered with.

01:08:36.000 But yeah, I mean, I'm biased, but I'm biased for the country.

01:08:40.000 Like, boy, do we need someone that's going to come in and sort out this mess.

01:08:43.000 And I don't need polite.

01:08:45.000 I don't need nice.

01:08:46.000 We need a Samson.

01:08:48.000 And a Samson was willing to do the work that God's chosen people were not willing to do.

01:08:53.000 And some of you here might say, oh, I don't like him.

01:08:56.000 You know, Trump is all this stuff.

01:08:58.000 The story of Samson, if properly told to your eight-year-old, would be very difficult.

01:09:03.000 God came to Samson when he was in a prostitute's bed.

01:09:07.000 It's like the jaw of a donkey and killed a thousand Philistines.

01:09:10.000 Important enough that Paul went out of his way, because we think Paul wrote Hebrews, to put him in the hall of faith.

01:09:16.000 That's a big deal.

01:09:17.000 Trump is a Samson, in my opinion.

01:09:19.000 He's a fighter and he's good at it.

01:09:21.000 And that's what we need right now.

01:09:23.000 Okay, thank you.

01:09:24.000 Appreciate it.

01:09:28.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:09:29.000 Everybody, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:09:33.000 Thank you so much for listening.

01:09:34.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 02, 2022

Is "North" Just an Opinion? LIVE from Classical Conversations with Q+A

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