The Charlie Kirk Show - Is Roe v. Wade Finally Dead?

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, is Roe versus Wade dead?

00:00:02.000 That is the question.

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00:01:51.000 Sure hope so, and a lot more.

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00:02:54.000 I want to get to some breaking news and we had a.

00:02:57.000 We have a couple things I want to cover with you that I was kind of prepping last night as I was kind of reading what was happening and kind of seeing what was unfolding.

00:03:04.000 But something I didn't expect to cover in great detail was the Supreme Court.

00:03:09.000 We did know that the abortion Was taken up by the United States Supreme Court, the third branch of government, Article 3.

00:03:18.000 Nine justices on the Supreme Court have been that way for 150 years.

00:03:21.000 The current regime wants to change it.

00:03:23.000 And they want, so essentially the issue is this: Mississippi has passed a law that outlaws abortion at 15 weeks.

00:03:32.000 The Mississippi Solicitor General has decided to take that law and defend it through court.

00:03:38.000 The pro-abortionists, the people that are on the side that it's not a human life, it's just something else.

00:03:45.000 Compassels, the Center for Reproductive Rights, they were arguing out in front of the Supreme Court.

00:03:50.000 Now, I'll be very honest.

00:03:52.000 My expectations were low.

00:03:55.000 I'm a very pro-life individual.

00:03:56.000 I speak out about the scourge of abortion.

00:03:59.000 We've done that on many different occasions here on this program and on our podcast.

00:04:03.000 In fact, I encourage you to check out the Seth Gruber conversation from this last weekend.

00:04:08.000 Connor, what great timing that we posted, Seth Gruber when we did.

00:04:11.000 We are holding on to that.

00:04:12.000 Seth's a dear friend.

00:04:13.000 He is one of the most articulate pro-life activists.

00:04:17.000 I encourage you to check out that podcast, The Best Case Against Abortion You Will Hear.

00:04:23.000 And I did not expect to have much action.

00:04:28.000 I expected the justices actually, Alito and Thomas, I expected to probably draw a line.

00:04:35.000 I didn't expect some of the middle justices like Gorsuch or Kavanaugh or Amy Coney Barrett to start to signal that they were somewhat sympathetic with the Mississippi abortion law.

00:04:50.000 Now, we have a lot of sound that I want to get to here.

00:04:52.000 We have a lot of different kind of cuts that I want to get.

00:04:56.000 And the name of the case, because you're going to be hearing this time and time again, is Dobbs versus Jackson's Women's Health Organization.

00:05:05.000 Okay, Dobbs v. Jackson.

00:05:08.000 And it's looking like for just kind of a bystander that Roe versus Wade might be on the ropes.

00:05:19.000 There's no better person to help us unpack that than a lawyer, someone who loves the Constitution, a friend of mine, Will Chamberlain from humanevents.com, who is saying he might think Roe, he thinks Roe versus Wade might be over and done.

00:05:35.000 We are joined right now by my friend Will Chamberlain.

00:05:37.000 Will, how are you doing?

00:05:39.000 Always going to be with you, Charlie.

00:05:39.000 Doing great.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, you're terrific, Will.

00:05:42.000 Thank you for joining.

00:05:44.000 Am I reading that right, Will?

00:05:45.000 Do you think Roe versus Wade is on the ropes?

00:05:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I was listening to the oral arguments, and to me, I think it's probably going to end up being overturned.

00:05:55.000 Basically, right now, I mean, obviously, we have six Republican appointed judges, but really, I guess, five maybe more consistent conservatives.

00:06:02.000 You wouldn't really count Roberts among that group.

00:06:05.000 But in listening to the oral argument, it became abundantly clear that maybe people who we hadn't seen fully weighed on on Roe were kind of leading that way.

00:06:13.000 Kavanaugh was asking questions about shouldn't we be returning to a scrupulous neutrality on the question of abortion as a court?

00:06:20.000 Like, I think maybe the single strongest argument from a legal perspective that the kind of the pro-life faction has is this is not something that's in the Constitution at all.

00:06:31.000 There's no constitutional, anything in the text about abortion.

00:06:35.000 And, you know, from, and Scalia was extremely persuasive on the fact that this is one of the many questions that our Constitution left up to the Democratic and the elected portions of our government to decide.

00:06:47.000 And so, you know, Kavanaugh seemed very sympathetic to that view.

00:06:50.000 Barrett seemed sympathetic to that view.

00:06:53.000 Justice Roberts seemed to be trying to find some sort of middle ground.

00:06:57.000 I hesitate to say splitting anything because I realize that it's a little bit terrible.

00:07:01.000 Did say it on Twitter, but I won't say it here.

00:07:04.000 But the point being that Roberts was trying to find a very bizarre middle ground and basically a way to find a way to affirm Roe and Casey, the other big case, without, but while changing maybe the viability standard instead of saying, oh, you can, you know, abortions have to be legal up into 24 weeks.

00:07:23.000 Maybe he was hoping that there was some earlier line.

00:07:26.000 And it was pretty clear that both the pro-choice advocates are saying, no, that's not feasible, oddly enough.

00:07:31.000 And then maybe not.

00:07:33.000 But then also Barrett and especially Gorsuch, they were like, is there really any other line here that is principled worth of the viability?

00:07:43.000 And no one really thought that was possible except Roberts.

00:07:46.000 So I could see Roberts trying to find a way to split some hairs here.

00:07:49.000 But ultimately, I think there are five votes to overturn Roe versus Wade.

00:07:53.000 Let's talk about the significance of that.

00:07:55.000 Roe versus Wade is not law.

00:07:57.000 It was never voted on by a congressional committee.

00:08:00.000 It was never voted on by a representatives.

00:08:03.000 It did not go through the types of debate that, for example, the Civil Rights Act went through just to give a popular piece of legislation.

00:08:13.000 Instead, this was a single court decision that was done either by the Warren Court or the Burger Court.

00:08:18.000 I always get them confused.

00:08:19.000 They were, I think it was Warren, right?

00:08:21.000 Maybe it might have been.

00:08:22.000 I think it was Berger in the 70s.

00:08:24.000 It was Burger.

00:08:25.000 It was Burger.

00:08:26.000 I get them confused.

00:08:27.000 Seven to two decision.

00:08:28.000 And then it became superseding federal precedent that abortion was legal.

00:08:34.000 Now, Kavanaugh was giving us a little bit of a kind of foreshadowing.

00:08:39.000 Basically, he's saying, look, why don't we just allow states to do whatever we want them to do?

00:08:45.000 So overturning Roe versus Wade wouldn't say that it would outlaw abortion.

00:08:49.000 It would say that states don't have to make abortion legal. 0.55

00:08:53.000 Is that correct, Will?

00:08:55.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:55.000 That states are allowed to prohibit abortion.

00:08:58.000 It would not itself prohibit abortion, right?

00:09:00.000 It's merely, I mean, the original Roe v. Wade was overturning a state law that had prohibited abortion, right?

00:09:06.000 So that's the question.

00:09:08.000 And again, I mean, that gets to kind of a central question of our federalist system, which is, and also our democratic system.

00:09:14.000 One, that, you know, courts generally don't insert themselves on those policy issues, that outside of a narrow set of defined rights that are not subject to democratic debate, things like free speech, you know, then other things in that are left up to legislatures and to the states.

00:09:32.000 And that's ultimately what the end result of this would be, right?

00:09:36.000 That debate would return to the states.

00:09:38.000 Now, that also could lead to some, it would make abortion, it wouldn't reduce the political saliency of abortion. 0.99

00:09:43.000 That would be a very, very politically salient issue in the world where Roe versus Wade was overturned because suddenly, you know, we go from the world where legislators are sort of impotent and can't do anything to the world where it is on legislators to determine whether abortion is legal in their state.

00:09:58.000 And more accountable to the people.

00:10:00.000 In Mississippi, it's a popular position to try and put limitations and try to outlaw abortion.

00:10:07.000 In New York, obviously it isn't.

00:10:09.000 Now, my goal would be to obviously have the federal court eventually step in and say, no, abortion is unconstitutional. 1.00

00:10:18.000 But this is a pretty good step in the right.

00:10:21.000 This is a pretty substantial step in the right direction.

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00:10:25.000 Talk about how, and I want to pick this up in the next segment, how much we've moved on this issue in the last 20 years. 0.92

00:10:31.000 20 years ago, if you would have said that a debate like this was happening, people would have said you were nuts.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, I mean, one, you have the court really moving to the right decidedly, thanks to President Trump and his confirmations.

00:10:45.000 I also think unlike many other major social issues where I think there's been major advances from the left, they haven't really made major advances.

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00:10:53.000 And that would be different from something like gay marriage, for instance, which went from being completely illegal and unpopular to the law of the land.

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00:11:10.000 As I said, I think Roe's about to be overturned in this decision.

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00:13:27.000 So let's say Roe versus Wade gets challenged.

00:13:29.000 What kind of an opinion do you think we can expect then from this court?

00:13:32.000 Roberts is probably going to side with the collectivists and the anti-constitutionalists, but Thomas Alito, for sure.

00:13:39.000 Amy Coney Barrett asked about abortion, adoption, which she just has a tendency to do a lot. 0.98

00:13:45.000 She just had, that's a very important issue for her.

00:13:47.000 I hope she rules correctly.

00:13:49.000 Kavanaugh Gorsuch was really strong.

00:13:51.000 That kind of coalition of five, what can we expect out of that if that ends up being a majority opinion?

00:13:57.000 I mean, if it ends up being a majority opinion, then I think it'll be pretty straightforward.

00:14:00.000 They'll find that the Mississippi law is legal, constitutional, and they'll say Roe, you know, and they'll do it by, and they'll do it by saying Roe versus Wade was wrong and is no longer good law.

00:14:10.000 The end consequence of that is likely to be just, you know, essentially neutrality from the Supreme Court rather than, you know, oh, we have the undue burden standard or any of these other standards that apply to abortion laws.

00:14:19.000 It's, it goes back to it just like, this is not an issue that the Supreme Court touches.

00:14:25.000 And so then that leads, it gives the opportunity for states to pass their own laws prohibiting abortion.

00:14:31.000 And so that doesn't outlaw abortion.

00:14:33.000 It doesn't even comment on abortion.

00:14:35.000 It's almost a federal neutrality when it comes to that.

00:14:38.000 Where Roe versus Wade was actually the opposite.

00:14:41.000 Roe versus Wade said no, everywhere in every corner.

00:14:44.000 It's the same sort of almost overarching, hyper-aggressive judicial opinions that we saw that were precursor to the civil rights movement.

00:14:53.000 Like we are going to implement a certain worldview regardless if you want it or not.

00:15:00.000 Right, right.

00:15:01.000 And I think that's, I mean, that's the way it always really should have been.

00:15:04.000 I mean, that was Scalia's critique of Roe, his principal critique of Roe from the time he got on the court.

00:15:11.000 And it's one of those things where, you know, sometimes it takes a long time for a view to really take hold and become kind of the mainstream and the dominant view jurisprudentially, because, you know, before that, liberals had had a massive majority on the court.

00:15:23.000 But now I think if you were just listening to that oral argument, there are five justices who don't think highly of Roe at all.

00:15:28.000 And I think the only attempt to try and persuade them out of it is to make an argument about precedent saying that the court shouldn't overturn its precedent.

00:15:35.000 But even then, you have stuff like Kavanaugh pointing out all the different precedents that the Supreme Court has overturned over the years.

00:15:40.000 Dred Scott, I mean, give me a break.

00:15:42.000 I mean, it's that one, that one should have been overturned.

00:15:45.000 I'm glad it was.

00:15:47.000 Will, you're in the legal world.

00:15:49.000 What is the lesson from this?

00:15:51.000 Because the smart people told us many years ago, don't even try against Roe versus Wade, no chance whatsoever.

00:15:57.000 Donald Trump wins in 16, gives us Gorsuch, gives us Kavanaugh, gives us Amy Coney Barrett.

00:16:03.000 What's the takeaway here, especially as we try to look more broadly for a constitutional reset as we try to now accomplish other things that might have seemed impossible many years prior?

00:16:15.000 I think it shows that winning matters, that elections have consequences.

00:16:19.000 You know, there were a lot of people in 2016 who said not to vote for Donald Trump for various reasons, and they tried to ground it in some sort of conservative principle.

00:16:27.000 Well, what you're seeing, if this actually happens, is the single biggest conservative legal victory in a generation directly resulting from the confirmation of judges that we would not.

00:16:35.000 That's such an important point.

00:16:37.000 Right.

00:16:38.000 And so I, you know, there are occasionally, we even saw a little bit of in 2020 where people were like, oh, it would be good to lose the Senate seats or something because for reasons, because election fraud, like, no, I think if anything would ever settle the, it's really good to have power because if you have power, you can appoint judges who like will look at the Constitution the way you do.

00:16:58.000 And I mean, it has so many different downstream effects.

00:17:01.000 So I think, you know, winning matters, elections matter.

00:17:04.000 And don't let, you know, ignore people who tell you otherwise.

00:17:07.000 Yeah.

00:17:07.000 And also being willing to do something with that political power too.

00:17:11.000 Mississippi was willing to put this law into the arena and also hopefully, again, we're assuming the Supreme Court's going to rule the way that we want it to, but the arguments were pretty compelling, weren't they, Will?

00:17:24.000 I mean, it doesn't seem as if there's a lot of gray area there.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, no, I think they're in really good shape.

00:17:30.000 I didn't hear, I guess what you're looking for is maybe a screw-up by the conservative advocate or a troubling line of questioning from a conservative judge.

00:17:38.000 And you didn't see really any of that.

00:17:39.000 The closest you would have seen was Roberts trying to find some weird middle ground.

00:17:44.000 And as he does, again, I have just horrible jokes in my head that I shouldn't say.

00:17:50.000 But anyway, the idea being, yeah, we have the judges in the court now that look at the Constitution the way it should be looked at and aren't just kind of almost defending this really ultimately indefensible precedent.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, where it was extra constitutional, where the court came in and basically made law and overturned 30 individual state laws that outlawed abortion.

00:18:17.000 And it went directly against the will of the people.

00:18:21.000 And then you have a whole generation that was raised thinking Roe versus Wade is law.

00:18:26.000 Boy, I mean, if you think that the Democrats are unhinged with Floyd Apalooza and with all these other different things we live through, just wait until Roe versus Wade gets overturned.

00:18:36.000 You're going to see a whole new chapter in American politics.

00:18:39.000 Will, thanks so much for joining us, humanevents.com.

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00:19:47.000 So I'm a big fan of reason.

00:19:51.000 Aristotle used to say that we are the speaking beings and speech and reason is the same thing.

00:19:57.000 That if you are a speaking being, you are using your reason to make sense of the natural world.

00:20:05.000 That human beings are the only creatures that can differentiate right from wrong, that can be self-aware, and that can blush.

00:20:19.000 Animals can feel pleasure and pain, but our ability to reason is what makes us unique.

00:20:26.000 In Isaiah 1 in the Old Testament, it says, Let us reason together as it is a gift from the Lord.

00:20:34.000 Our ability to slow down and to make sense of situations is something that we should give thanks for.

00:20:42.000 That we don't just have to follow automatic programming.

00:20:46.000 We're not a bunch of Pavlovian dogs instantaneously running towards the sound of a bell.

00:20:53.000 Well, I guess half the country is that way, but we'll get to that in a second.

00:20:56.000 That whatever CNN says we must follow, no.

00:20:59.000 Instead, we must use deductive reasoning.

00:21:03.000 Is what I'm being told making sense?

00:21:06.000 Now, as frustrating as it has been to live through the last year and a half, where we have the double standards, the deceit, the treachery, the behavior from the ruling class and the elites, from Fauci and Francis Collins, Pfizer, AstraZeneca,

00:21:22.000 Moderna, Johnson Johnson, the changing of the rules, the gaslighting, the memory holing, the suppression of any sort of conversation on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, monoclonal antibodies, regeneron, vitamin D, or aspirin.

00:21:40.000 All of those things have been incredibly frustrating, but I do want to say that there has been a promising trend of more and more people waking up against the simulation in front of them.

00:21:57.000 These are some of the more reasonable people.

00:22:00.000 Alex Berenson comes to mind.

00:22:02.000 Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Scott Atlas, and we've had both Scott Atlas and Dr. Malone on our podcast in the last week.

00:22:10.000 And I asked them a series of questions.

00:22:13.000 Now, I'm not a medical doctor, nor do I play one on television.

00:22:17.000 My questions are rooted in reason, though.

00:22:19.000 Now, we call this common sense.

00:22:22.000 Some would call it a gut instinct.

00:22:25.000 Now, you can get wisdom, which is the knowledge of things that do not change, from two places.

00:22:31.000 You can get it from ancient and transcendent texts, or you can get it from life experience.

00:22:39.000 For those of you that have wisdom through life experience, you probably have learned more through pain than from pleasure and from prosperity.

00:22:48.000 Therefore, that is why people who have been through a lot try to insist upon young people learning from the ancient texts or learning from those that came before.

00:22:58.000 So a 14-year-old doesn't have to go through the same sort of period of pain and suffering and still can glean the lessons of those that came before.

00:23:08.000 Someone who I was always a very big fan of growing up was Jim Kramer.

00:23:14.000 Jim Kramer always struck me as a hyper-rational person who cared about maximizing profits and telling you what stocks were doing well.

00:23:27.000 I always had a fascination with the stock market growing up.

00:23:30.000 I didn't quite understand it.

00:23:32.000 But Jim Kramer had an ability to make it exciting.

00:23:38.000 He was always flamboyant, above and beyond.

00:23:42.000 I would never say he was irrational.

00:23:44.000 He was wrong, plenty.

00:23:45.000 We'll talk about that.

00:23:46.000 But Jim Kramer always had a little bit of a flair.

00:23:49.000 Hold this, buy that, acquire more shares.

00:23:53.000 One of the more interesting kind of stock picking shows out there.

00:23:57.000 He's a high-energy guy.

00:24:00.000 Now, Jim Kramer, I would put five years ago in the category of someone who has a commitment to reason.

00:24:10.000 Someone who wants to be free from passion, even though he does have passion, what he articulates to his audience, I don't necessarily think would be something that I would say, that's just insane.

00:24:23.000 Well, Jim Kramer yesterday went on television and participated in the very same sort of narrative that just makes you watch this.

00:24:33.000 You say, what on earth causes a man who was once someone who would be at the top of what we would consider to be a hyper-rational person, someone that would be able to say, A is A, someone that would be more than willing to have a conversation around the costs and the benefits or the price of such measures.

00:24:56.000 What would cause someone like Jim Kramer to go on national television on his own show and basically say, I have lost my mind?

00:25:08.000 Now, Jim Kramer yesterday went on about a minute rant all about vaccinations.

00:25:16.000 And all I have to say is, thank goodness, Jim Kramer is not in charge of anything.

00:25:25.000 Thank goodness Jim Kramer does not run the United States military.

00:25:29.000 And you'll find out why in just a second.

00:25:30.000 Thank goodness Jim Kramer is not the Sultan of Brunei.

00:25:35.000 Thank goodness Jim Kramer is just an increasingly frenetic and dare I say deranged person.

00:25:44.000 I do not use those words lightly.

00:25:46.000 When you hear what he has said on television, it'll take your breath away.

00:25:50.000 And then I want you to think for a second, this is not some sort of performance artist.

00:25:56.000 Yeah, Jim, he does all these sort of crazy things.

00:25:58.000 He'll push buttons.

00:25:59.000 He'll scream.

00:26:00.000 But his analysis is usually rooted in things that can be proven.

00:26:08.000 Profits, shares, IPOs, all these different things that are incorporated in the public sharing of the market.

00:26:17.000 This is Jim Kramer yesterday.

00:26:20.000 I'll let the clip speak for itself and then we'll dissect it.

00:26:23.000 Play cut 49.

00:26:26.000 Lord knows what happened if you didn't partake.

00:26:29.000 But back then, anyone who refused to get vaccinated would get ratted out immediately because we knew that person could hurt other people.

00:26:36.000 The Common Wheel was a Commonwealth. 0.90

00:26:40.000 Now we're engaged in a similar struggle with COVID.

00:26:42.000 And Eisenhower would be aghast.

00:26:43.000 We have immunocompromised people who are incubators for every variant to come walking around lawfully unvaccinated.

00:26:51.000 That's psychotic.

00:26:53.000 We have companies that have tried hard to get people vaccinated and now backing down. 0.90

00:26:56.000 We have governors who want to be president by grandstanding on a foolish state's right issue, the right to get sick and get other people sick.

00:27:03.000 So it's time to admit that we have to go to war against COVID.

00:27:06.000 Require vaccination universally.

00:27:08.000 Have the military run it.

00:27:09.000 If you don't want to get vaccinated, you better be ready to prove your conscientious objector status in court.

00:27:16.000 And even then, you need to help in the war effort by staying home until we finally beat this thing.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, just require it for everybody.

00:27:22.000 Have the military run it.

00:27:24.000 What could go wrong?

00:27:26.000 This is someone who used to be rational.

00:27:29.000 What would cause someone like Jim Kramer to descend into the madness?

00:27:36.000 The answer is multifold.

00:27:38.000 Number one, I don't think Jim Kramer actually knows what's going on when it comes to the Fauci virus or supplemental treatments.

00:27:46.000 I don't think Jim Kramer has actually been properly exposed to the things we've been covering on this show.

00:27:52.000 The success of Ivermectin in Uttar Pradesh, India, the downfall of mass vaccination campaigns in Israel, Gibraltar, Singapore.

00:28:01.000 The fact that only a small portion of the population is actually at significant risk of dying from the Fauci virus.

00:28:08.000 I don't think Jim Kramer even has thought about natural immunity.

00:28:13.000 I think Jim Kramer is operating under a very sloppy operating system that was given to him by his corporate masters because everything he cares about is maximizing corporate profits.

00:28:24.000 But he's not alone because I'm sure some of you listening right now have friends and family, people in your circle that were once rational, but the idea of a killer invisible pathogen, in fact, Omicrone, forget it.

00:28:42.000 Now, I am going to have to do this.

00:28:45.000 Jim Kramer, should we trust you back when you were saying this back in March of 2008?

00:28:56.000 I'm asking for a friend.

00:28:57.000 PlayCut 48.

00:28:59.000 Hey, great job.

00:29:00.000 All right, am I?

00:29:02.000 Okay, Peter writes, should I be worried about Bear Stearns in terms of liquidity and get my money out of there?

00:29:07.000 No, no, no.

00:29:09.000 Bear Stearns is fine.

00:29:11.000 Do not take your money.

00:29:13.000 If there's one takeaway other than plus 400 somewhere, Bear Stearns is not in trouble.

00:29:17.000 I mean, if anything, they're more likely to be taken over.

00:29:20.000 Don't move your money from there. 0.94

00:29:22.000 That's just being silly. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Don't be silly. 0.99

00:29:24.000 Man, money's back after the break. 0.99

00:29:27.000 Now, for all of you 14-year-olds out there that say, what the heck is Bear Stearns?

00:29:32.000 Bear Stearns went bankrupt and I think ended up being diluted at $2 a share, previously being traded at $185 a share.

00:29:41.000 People lost their life savings as part of the financial collapse.

00:29:45.000 No, no, no.

00:29:46.000 Why would you sell Bear Stearns?

00:29:48.000 So you look, Jim Kramer, you've been wrong before.

00:29:49.000 I'm sorry.

00:29:50.000 I had to do it, even though I am kind of, I was a fan of his before this.

00:29:53.000 But this is a really interesting point where you have this situation, the virus and our reaction to it, has pivoted, metamorphosized,

00:30:05.000 transformed once people that were the embodiment of rational thinking into nothing more than committed ideologues and passionate spokespeople for a very specific dogmatic agenda.

00:30:24.000 Alexander Solshenitsyn, when he wrote the Gulag Archipelago, he said, you could blame all of the suffering of the Soviet Union thanks to ideology.

00:30:36.000 He said, the commitment to an ideological agenda and the forsaking of reason for the belief that you think something is right despite what the evidence warrants.

00:30:49.000 That was one of the main reasons tens of millions of people, tens of millions of Kulaks in particular, were murdered, starved to their death in the Soviet Union.

00:31:00.000 Jim Kramer has gone from a thinker to an ideologue.

00:31:07.000 Jim Kramer has gone from someone who once cared about arguments that make sense to say, hey, just bring in the military.

00:31:16.000 I mean, come on, what's the big deal?

00:31:19.000 And then if you want to be an objector, you're going to have to go in front of a judge and defend yourself against it.

00:31:24.000 He says, making some sort of silly states' rights argument.

00:31:29.000 This also proves one other thing. 0.99

00:31:31.000 This proves one other thing, which is, no, you're lame. 0.97

00:31:36.000 Okay? 0.75

00:31:37.000 I am not going to be giving long-form commentary on figure skating.

00:31:44.000 It's not going to happen.

00:31:46.000 Or I'm not going to be giving play-by-play for the United States Lumberjack competition, which is a real thing.

00:31:53.000 I think they had the Lumberjack competition out in Darby, Montana.

00:31:56.000 It's like the chainsaw lumberjack thing.

00:31:58.000 I know very little about it.

00:32:00.000 Jim Kramer, you know nothing about states' rights.

00:32:04.000 Dare I say morality either?

00:32:06.000 You are nothing more than a very dangerous technocratic corporate spokesperson that has had way too much coffee in the morning and topped it off with way too much coffee after that.

00:32:17.000 Stay in your lane.

00:32:20.000 I've been telling you guys about Relief Factor for quite some time.

00:32:23.000 And truth is, I know millions of people are, in fact, 100 million people are in some kind of pain.

00:32:27.000 Look, producer Andrew, he couldn't walk.

00:32:29.000 He was a hobbled individual. 0.96

00:32:31.000 He was bedridden in his chair, complaining all the time.

00:32:35.000 And then all of a sudden, we got this call from Relief Factor.

00:32:37.000 They said, hey, we want to partner with your show.

00:32:39.000 We're going to send you some Relief Factor.

00:32:41.000 Producer Andrew got it.

00:32:42.000 He took it, got a little bit better, took some more, got a little bit better.

00:32:45.000 Next thing you know, he's doing the False Berry flop like you wouldn't believe.

00:32:49.000 In fact, he might be training for an Iron Man.

00:32:52.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:32:53.000 Now, he says it's thanks to Relief Factor.

00:32:55.000 I ask him all the time, Relief Factor?

00:32:57.000 He says relieffactor.com, 100% drug-free supplement.

00:33:00.000 You can get it for less than the cost of a cup of coffee a day.

00:33:02.000 So go to relieffactor.com, and I'm suggesting you order their three-week quick start to see if we can get you out of pain.

00:33:08.000 And then after that, it's less than the cost of a cup of coffee a day to stay out of pain.

00:33:11.000 So go to relieffactor.com.

00:33:12.000 That is relieffactor.com.

00:33:14.000 I'm telling you, a lot of people are in pain.

00:33:16.000 It's 100% drug-free.

00:33:17.000 Don't go to opioids.

00:33:18.000 Don't go to these other things.

00:33:19.000 Check it out at relieffactor.com.

00:33:25.000 All right, I'm not going to do the whole kind of in-depth take here, but one of the most important trials happening in America, it's not the Ghelane Maxwell trial.

00:33:34.000 No, no, it's the Jussie Smollett trial.

00:33:36.000 Jussie Smollett proves my thesis that we have a supply and demand problem with racism in America.

00:33:42.000 America is so incredibly un-racist that you have to fake your own hate crimes and hire Nigerians to help you pull it off. 1.00

00:33:50.000 Here's just a little piece of advice, Jussie, as you're on trial right now.

00:33:54.000 If you're going to fake a hate crime, don't hire Nigerians to help you do it. 1.00

00:34:00.000 Also, don't give them a check.

00:34:03.000 What'd you put in the line?

00:34:04.000 Mugging supplies?

00:34:06.000 We will go back in the Jesse Smollett saga at some point, but he's on trial right now in Chicago.

00:34:12.000 It's a really important story in the sense that it shows how incredibly unracist we are.

00:34:19.000 Okay, let's close out by displaying some of the actual tape from the Supreme Court justices and oral arguments.

00:34:27.000 I think that it'll be really important.

00:34:28.000 Let's start with Justice Alito asking the director for the Center for Reproductive Health about viability.

00:34:37.000 Play cut 51.

00:34:39.000 Viability is a principled line, Your Honor, because in ordering the interesting...

00:34:42.000 I'm trying to see whether it is a principled line.

00:34:45.000 You agree with me at least on that point, that a woman still has the same interest in terminating her pregnancy after the viability line has been crossed.

00:34:56.000 Yes, Your Honor, but the court balanced the interest and in ordering the interest.

00:35:00.000 On the other side, the fetus has an interest in having a life, and that doesn't change, does it, from the point before viability to the point after viability?

00:35:14.000 In some people's view, it doesn't, Your Honor.

00:35:16.000 But what the court said is that those philosophical differences couldn't be resolved in a way.

00:35:21.000 That's what I'm getting at.

00:35:22.000 What is the philosophical argument, the secular philosophical argument for saying this is the appropriate line?

00:35:29.000 They can't answer that question.

00:35:30.000 That's Justice Alito and the head of the Center for Reproductive Health. 0.76

00:35:33.000 Now, this is the best argument they got.

00:35:36.000 Sodomayor says that a fetus is not a person just because it can feel pain.

00:35:43.000 She says evidence of fetal pain is not proof of life, says fully grown and developed Sodomayor. 0.99

00:35:50.000 Play cut 50, where she says a fetus is just responding to painful stimuli, is the equivalent of a clinically brain-dead person having a reflex response to painful stimuli.

00:36:01.000 Hey, guess what, Sotomayor?

00:36:03.000 Clinically brain-dead people have constitutional rights too.

00:36:06.000 You can't go around and just start terminating clinically dead people, brain-dead people.

00:36:11.000 You actually have to go through a lot of different processes to do that.

00:36:14.000 In fact, in some states, it's not legal.

00:36:16.000 So did Justice Sotomayor just acknowledge that a fetus has the same sort of constitutional rights as someone who is clinically brain dead?

00:36:26.000 Play cut 50.

00:36:27.000 The literature is filled with episodes of people who are completely and elderly brain-driven responding to stimuli.

00:36:39.000 There's about 40% of dead people who, if you touch their feet, the foot will recoil.

00:36:47.000 There are spontaneous acts by dead-brained people.

00:36:52.000 So I don't think that a response by a fetus necessarily proves that there's the sensation of pain or that there's consciousness.

00:37:08.000 So I go back to my question of what has changed in science to show that the viability line is not a real line, that a fetus cannot survive.

00:37:25.000 And I think that's what both courts below said.

00:37:29.000 You understand how incredibly dangerous and flawed her argument is.

00:37:33.000 So let's talk about viability. 0.99

00:37:35.000 According to her, every single person in a nursing home should be killed. 0.94

00:37:41.000 According to her, if you're in a nursing home and all the help left the nursing home and anyone in the nursing home couldn't feed themselves, pull the plug.

00:37:49.000 According to her, the thousands of people that are right now in emergency room life support from car accidents, gunshots, domestic disputes, they should have the plug pulled, even if they have a couple weeks where they need help.

00:38:02.000 Viability, according to Sotomayor, is the necessary prerequisite to the value and the integrity of human life.

00:38:10.000 According to Sodomayor, patients right now suffering from COVID that have been intubated and are in ventilators, they are not humans anymore.

00:38:17.000 No, you see, as soon as you lose viability, as soon as you are not a robust, strong person, you got to pull the plug.

00:38:22.000 According to her, viability.

00:38:24.000 What about people that take life-saving medication every single day?

00:38:27.000 People on dialysis machines.

00:38:30.000 You understand how easy and how simple her debate is to deconstruct?

00:38:33.000 I'll tell you what science has changed, Sotomayor.

00:38:36.000 It's called an ultrasound machine.

00:38:37.000 We now know that new deoxyribonucleic acid is formed at the moment of conception.

00:38:42.000 We did not know that when your friends ruled on Roe versus Wade previously.

00:38:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:48.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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00:38:54.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:55.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 02, 2021

Is Roe v. Wade Finally Dead?

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