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00:02:54.000I want to get to some breaking news and we had a.
00:02:57.000We have a couple things I want to cover with you that I was kind of prepping last night as I was kind of reading what was happening and kind of seeing what was unfolding.
00:03:04.000But something I didn't expect to cover in great detail was the Supreme Court.
00:03:09.000We did know that the abortion Was taken up by the United States Supreme Court, the third branch of government, Article 3.
00:03:18.000Nine justices on the Supreme Court have been that way for 150 years.
00:03:21.000The current regime wants to change it.
00:03:23.000And they want, so essentially the issue is this: Mississippi has passed a law that outlaws abortion at 15 weeks.
00:03:32.000The Mississippi Solicitor General has decided to take that law and defend it through court.
00:03:38.000The pro-abortionists, the people that are on the side that it's not a human life, it's just something else.
00:03:45.000Compassels, the Center for Reproductive Rights, they were arguing out in front of the Supreme Court.
00:04:13.000He is one of the most articulate pro-life activists.
00:04:17.000I encourage you to check out that podcast, The Best Case Against Abortion You Will Hear.
00:04:23.000And I did not expect to have much action.
00:04:28.000I expected the justices actually, Alito and Thomas, I expected to probably draw a line.
00:04:35.000I didn't expect some of the middle justices like Gorsuch or Kavanaugh or Amy Coney Barrett to start to signal that they were somewhat sympathetic with the Mississippi abortion law.
00:04:50.000Now, we have a lot of sound that I want to get to here.
00:04:52.000We have a lot of different kind of cuts that I want to get.
00:04:56.000And the name of the case, because you're going to be hearing this time and time again, is Dobbs versus Jackson's Women's Health Organization.
00:05:08.000And it's looking like for just kind of a bystander that Roe versus Wade might be on the ropes.
00:05:19.000There's no better person to help us unpack that than a lawyer, someone who loves the Constitution, a friend of mine, Will Chamberlain from humanevents.com, who is saying he might think Roe, he thinks Roe versus Wade might be over and done.
00:05:35.000We are joined right now by my friend Will Chamberlain.
00:05:45.000Do you think Roe versus Wade is on the ropes?
00:05:48.000Yeah, I mean, I was listening to the oral arguments, and to me, I think it's probably going to end up being overturned.
00:05:55.000Basically, right now, I mean, obviously, we have six Republican appointed judges, but really, I guess, five maybe more consistent conservatives.
00:06:02.000You wouldn't really count Roberts among that group.
00:06:05.000But in listening to the oral argument, it became abundantly clear that maybe people who we hadn't seen fully weighed on on Roe were kind of leading that way.
00:06:13.000Kavanaugh was asking questions about shouldn't we be returning to a scrupulous neutrality on the question of abortion as a court?
00:06:20.000Like, I think maybe the single strongest argument from a legal perspective that the kind of the pro-life faction has is this is not something that's in the Constitution at all.
00:06:31.000There's no constitutional, anything in the text about abortion.
00:06:35.000And, you know, from, and Scalia was extremely persuasive on the fact that this is one of the many questions that our Constitution left up to the Democratic and the elected portions of our government to decide.
00:06:47.000And so, you know, Kavanaugh seemed very sympathetic to that view.
00:06:50.000Barrett seemed sympathetic to that view.
00:06:53.000Justice Roberts seemed to be trying to find some sort of middle ground.
00:06:57.000I hesitate to say splitting anything because I realize that it's a little bit terrible.
00:07:01.000Did say it on Twitter, but I won't say it here.
00:07:04.000But the point being that Roberts was trying to find a very bizarre middle ground and basically a way to find a way to affirm Roe and Casey, the other big case, without, but while changing maybe the viability standard instead of saying, oh, you can, you know, abortions have to be legal up into 24 weeks.
00:07:23.000Maybe he was hoping that there was some earlier line.
00:07:26.000And it was pretty clear that both the pro-choice advocates are saying, no, that's not feasible, oddly enough.
00:07:33.000But then also Barrett and especially Gorsuch, they were like, is there really any other line here that is principled worth of the viability?
00:07:43.000And no one really thought that was possible except Roberts.
00:07:46.000So I could see Roberts trying to find a way to split some hairs here.
00:07:49.000But ultimately, I think there are five votes to overturn Roe versus Wade.
00:07:53.000Let's talk about the significance of that.
00:07:57.000It was never voted on by a congressional committee.
00:08:00.000It was never voted on by a representatives.
00:08:03.000It did not go through the types of debate that, for example, the Civil Rights Act went through just to give a popular piece of legislation.
00:08:13.000Instead, this was a single court decision that was done either by the Warren Court or the Burger Court.
00:09:08.000And again, I mean, that gets to kind of a central question of our federalist system, which is, and also our democratic system.
00:09:14.000One, that, you know, courts generally don't insert themselves on those policy issues, that outside of a narrow set of defined rights that are not subject to democratic debate, things like free speech, you know, then other things in that are left up to legislatures and to the states.
00:09:32.000And that's ultimately what the end result of this would be, right?
00:09:36.000That debate would return to the states.
00:09:38.000Now, that also could lead to some, it would make abortion, it wouldn't reduce the political saliency of abortion.
00:09:43.000That would be a very, very politically salient issue in the world where Roe versus Wade was overturned because suddenly, you know, we go from the world where legislators are sort of impotent and can't do anything to the world where it is on legislators to determine whether abortion is legal in their state.
00:10:25.000Talk about how, and I want to pick this up in the next segment, how much we've moved on this issue in the last 20 years.
00:10:31.00020 years ago, if you would have said that a debate like this was happening, people would have said you were nuts.
00:10:37.000Yeah, I mean, one, you have the court really moving to the right decidedly, thanks to President Trump and his confirmations.
00:10:45.000I also think unlike many other major social issues where I think there's been major advances from the left, they haven't really made major advances.
00:10:52.000If anything, they've lost ground on this issue.
00:10:53.000And that would be different from something like gay marriage, for instance, which went from being completely illegal and unpopular to the law of the land.
00:11:02.000So I think that's that is really a mark where the social conservative movement has had a great deal of success ultimately.
00:11:08.000And I think we're about to see the culmination of it.
00:11:10.000As I said, I think Roe's about to be overturned in this decision.
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00:13:51.000That kind of coalition of five, what can we expect out of that if that ends up being a majority opinion?
00:13:57.000I mean, if it ends up being a majority opinion, then I think it'll be pretty straightforward.
00:14:00.000They'll find that the Mississippi law is legal, constitutional, and they'll say Roe, you know, and they'll do it by, and they'll do it by saying Roe versus Wade was wrong and is no longer good law.
00:14:10.000The end consequence of that is likely to be just, you know, essentially neutrality from the Supreme Court rather than, you know, oh, we have the undue burden standard or any of these other standards that apply to abortion laws.
00:14:19.000It's, it goes back to it just like, this is not an issue that the Supreme Court touches.
00:14:25.000And so then that leads, it gives the opportunity for states to pass their own laws prohibiting abortion.
00:15:01.000And I think that's, I mean, that's the way it always really should have been.
00:15:04.000I mean, that was Scalia's critique of Roe, his principal critique of Roe from the time he got on the court.
00:15:11.000And it's one of those things where, you know, sometimes it takes a long time for a view to really take hold and become kind of the mainstream and the dominant view jurisprudentially, because, you know, before that, liberals had had a massive majority on the court.
00:15:23.000But now I think if you were just listening to that oral argument, there are five justices who don't think highly of Roe at all.
00:15:28.000And I think the only attempt to try and persuade them out of it is to make an argument about precedent saying that the court shouldn't overturn its precedent.
00:15:35.000But even then, you have stuff like Kavanaugh pointing out all the different precedents that the Supreme Court has overturned over the years.
00:15:51.000Because the smart people told us many years ago, don't even try against Roe versus Wade, no chance whatsoever.
00:15:57.000Donald Trump wins in 16, gives us Gorsuch, gives us Kavanaugh, gives us Amy Coney Barrett.
00:16:03.000What's the takeaway here, especially as we try to look more broadly for a constitutional reset as we try to now accomplish other things that might have seemed impossible many years prior?
00:16:15.000I think it shows that winning matters, that elections have consequences.
00:16:19.000You know, there were a lot of people in 2016 who said not to vote for Donald Trump for various reasons, and they tried to ground it in some sort of conservative principle.
00:16:27.000Well, what you're seeing, if this actually happens, is the single biggest conservative legal victory in a generation directly resulting from the confirmation of judges that we would not.
00:16:38.000And so I, you know, there are occasionally, we even saw a little bit of in 2020 where people were like, oh, it would be good to lose the Senate seats or something because for reasons, because election fraud, like, no, I think if anything would ever settle the, it's really good to have power because if you have power, you can appoint judges who like will look at the Constitution the way you do.
00:16:58.000And I mean, it has so many different downstream effects.
00:17:01.000So I think, you know, winning matters, elections matter.
00:17:04.000And don't let, you know, ignore people who tell you otherwise.
00:17:07.000And also being willing to do something with that political power too.
00:17:11.000Mississippi was willing to put this law into the arena and also hopefully, again, we're assuming the Supreme Court's going to rule the way that we want it to, but the arguments were pretty compelling, weren't they, Will?
00:17:24.000I mean, it doesn't seem as if there's a lot of gray area there.
00:17:28.000Yeah, no, I think they're in really good shape.
00:17:30.000I didn't hear, I guess what you're looking for is maybe a screw-up by the conservative advocate or a troubling line of questioning from a conservative judge.
00:17:38.000And you didn't see really any of that.
00:17:39.000The closest you would have seen was Roberts trying to find some weird middle ground.
00:17:44.000And as he does, again, I have just horrible jokes in my head that I shouldn't say.
00:17:50.000But anyway, the idea being, yeah, we have the judges in the court now that look at the Constitution the way it should be looked at and aren't just kind of almost defending this really ultimately indefensible precedent.
00:18:07.000Yeah, where it was extra constitutional, where the court came in and basically made law and overturned 30 individual state laws that outlawed abortion.
00:18:17.000And it went directly against the will of the people.
00:18:21.000And then you have a whole generation that was raised thinking Roe versus Wade is law.
00:18:26.000Boy, I mean, if you think that the Democrats are unhinged with Floyd Apalooza and with all these other different things we live through, just wait until Roe versus Wade gets overturned.
00:18:36.000You're going to see a whole new chapter in American politics.
00:18:39.000Will, thanks so much for joining us, humanevents.com.
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00:21:06.000Now, as frustrating as it has been to live through the last year and a half, where we have the double standards, the deceit, the treachery, the behavior from the ruling class and the elites, from Fauci and Francis Collins, Pfizer, AstraZeneca,
00:21:22.000Moderna, Johnson Johnson, the changing of the rules, the gaslighting, the memory holing, the suppression of any sort of conversation on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, monoclonal antibodies, regeneron, vitamin D, or aspirin.
00:21:40.000All of those things have been incredibly frustrating, but I do want to say that there has been a promising trend of more and more people waking up against the simulation in front of them.
00:21:57.000These are some of the more reasonable people.
00:22:25.000Now, you can get wisdom, which is the knowledge of things that do not change, from two places.
00:22:31.000You can get it from ancient and transcendent texts, or you can get it from life experience.
00:22:39.000For those of you that have wisdom through life experience, you probably have learned more through pain than from pleasure and from prosperity.
00:22:48.000Therefore, that is why people who have been through a lot try to insist upon young people learning from the ancient texts or learning from those that came before.
00:22:58.000So a 14-year-old doesn't have to go through the same sort of period of pain and suffering and still can glean the lessons of those that came before.
00:23:08.000Someone who I was always a very big fan of growing up was Jim Kramer.
00:23:14.000Jim Kramer always struck me as a hyper-rational person who cared about maximizing profits and telling you what stocks were doing well.
00:23:27.000I always had a fascination with the stock market growing up.
00:24:00.000Now, Jim Kramer, I would put five years ago in the category of someone who has a commitment to reason.
00:24:10.000Someone who wants to be free from passion, even though he does have passion, what he articulates to his audience, I don't necessarily think would be something that I would say, that's just insane.
00:24:23.000Well, Jim Kramer yesterday went on television and participated in the very same sort of narrative that just makes you watch this.
00:24:33.000You say, what on earth causes a man who was once someone who would be at the top of what we would consider to be a hyper-rational person, someone that would be able to say, A is A, someone that would be more than willing to have a conversation around the costs and the benefits or the price of such measures.
00:24:56.000What would cause someone like Jim Kramer to go on national television on his own show and basically say, I have lost my mind?
00:25:08.000Now, Jim Kramer yesterday went on about a minute rant all about vaccinations.
00:25:16.000And all I have to say is, thank goodness, Jim Kramer is not in charge of anything.
00:25:25.000Thank goodness Jim Kramer does not run the United States military.
00:25:29.000And you'll find out why in just a second.
00:25:30.000Thank goodness Jim Kramer is not the Sultan of Brunei.
00:25:35.000Thank goodness Jim Kramer is just an increasingly frenetic and dare I say deranged person.
00:26:53.000We have companies that have tried hard to get people vaccinated and now backing down.
00:26:56.000We have governors who want to be president by grandstanding on a foolish state's right issue, the right to get sick and get other people sick.
00:27:03.000So it's time to admit that we have to go to war against COVID.
00:27:38.000Number one, I don't think Jim Kramer actually knows what's going on when it comes to the Fauci virus or supplemental treatments.
00:27:46.000I don't think Jim Kramer has actually been properly exposed to the things we've been covering on this show.
00:27:52.000The success of Ivermectin in Uttar Pradesh, India, the downfall of mass vaccination campaigns in Israel, Gibraltar, Singapore.
00:28:01.000The fact that only a small portion of the population is actually at significant risk of dying from the Fauci virus.
00:28:08.000I don't think Jim Kramer even has thought about natural immunity.
00:28:13.000I think Jim Kramer is operating under a very sloppy operating system that was given to him by his corporate masters because everything he cares about is maximizing corporate profits.
00:28:24.000But he's not alone because I'm sure some of you listening right now have friends and family, people in your circle that were once rational, but the idea of a killer invisible pathogen, in fact, Omicrone, forget it.
00:29:50.000I had to do it, even though I am kind of, I was a fan of his before this.
00:29:53.000But this is a really interesting point where you have this situation, the virus and our reaction to it, has pivoted, metamorphosized,
00:30:05.000transformed once people that were the embodiment of rational thinking into nothing more than committed ideologues and passionate spokespeople for a very specific dogmatic agenda.
00:30:24.000Alexander Solshenitsyn, when he wrote the Gulag Archipelago, he said, you could blame all of the suffering of the Soviet Union thanks to ideology.
00:30:36.000He said, the commitment to an ideological agenda and the forsaking of reason for the belief that you think something is right despite what the evidence warrants.
00:30:49.000That was one of the main reasons tens of millions of people, tens of millions of Kulaks in particular, were murdered, starved to their death in the Soviet Union.
00:31:00.000Jim Kramer has gone from a thinker to an ideologue.
00:31:07.000Jim Kramer has gone from someone who once cared about arguments that make sense to say, hey, just bring in the military.
00:32:06.000You are nothing more than a very dangerous technocratic corporate spokesperson that has had way too much coffee in the morning and topped it off with way too much coffee after that.
00:33:25.000All right, I'm not going to do the whole kind of in-depth take here, but one of the most important trials happening in America, it's not the Ghelane Maxwell trial.
00:33:34.000No, no, it's the Jussie Smollett trial.
00:33:36.000Jussie Smollett proves my thesis that we have a supply and demand problem with racism in America.
00:33:42.000America is so incredibly un-racist that you have to fake your own hate crimes and hire Nigerians to help you pull it off.
00:33:50.000Here's just a little piece of advice, Jussie, as you're on trial right now.
00:33:54.000If you're going to fake a hate crime, don't hire Nigerians to help you do it.
00:34:39.000Viability is a principled line, Your Honor, because in ordering the interesting...
00:34:42.000I'm trying to see whether it is a principled line.
00:34:45.000You agree with me at least on that point, that a woman still has the same interest in terminating her pregnancy after the viability line has been crossed.
00:34:56.000Yes, Your Honor, but the court balanced the interest and in ordering the interest.
00:35:00.000On the other side, the fetus has an interest in having a life, and that doesn't change, does it, from the point before viability to the point after viability?
00:35:14.000In some people's view, it doesn't, Your Honor.
00:35:16.000But what the court said is that those philosophical differences couldn't be resolved in a way.
00:35:30.000That's Justice Alito and the head of the Center for Reproductive Health.
00:35:33.000Now, this is the best argument they got.
00:35:36.000Sodomayor says that a fetus is not a person just because it can feel pain.
00:35:43.000She says evidence of fetal pain is not proof of life, says fully grown and developed Sodomayor.
00:35:50.000Play cut 50, where she says a fetus is just responding to painful stimuli, is the equivalent of a clinically brain-dead person having a reflex response to painful stimuli.
00:36:27.000The literature is filled with episodes of people who are completely and elderly brain-driven responding to stimuli.
00:36:39.000There's about 40% of dead people who, if you touch their feet, the foot will recoil.
00:36:47.000There are spontaneous acts by dead-brained people.
00:36:52.000So I don't think that a response by a fetus necessarily proves that there's the sensation of pain or that there's consciousness.
00:37:08.000So I go back to my question of what has changed in science to show that the viability line is not a real line, that a fetus cannot survive.
00:37:25.000And I think that's what both courts below said.
00:37:29.000You understand how incredibly dangerous and flawed her argument is.
00:37:35.000According to her, every single person in a nursing home should be killed.
00:37:41.000According to her, if you're in a nursing home and all the help left the nursing home and anyone in the nursing home couldn't feed themselves, pull the plug.
00:37:49.000According to her, the thousands of people that are right now in emergency room life support from car accidents, gunshots, domestic disputes, they should have the plug pulled, even if they have a couple weeks where they need help.
00:38:02.000Viability, according to Sotomayor, is the necessary prerequisite to the value and the integrity of human life.
00:38:10.000According to Sodomayor, patients right now suffering from COVID that have been intubated and are in ventilators, they are not humans anymore.
00:38:17.000No, you see, as soon as you lose viability, as soon as you are not a robust, strong person, you got to pull the plug.