The Charlie Kirk Show - Is the American Dream Healthy? with Sean Spicer and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Ana Paulina Luna joins us after she just had a baby. 0.67

00:00:05.000 Sean Spicer joins us and I ask the question, is the American Dream healthy?

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00:00:31.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:13.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite guests, turning point la l'am, Ana Paulina Luna.

00:01:19.000 Ana, welcome to the program.

00:01:20.000 Congratulations, by the way.

00:01:23.000 Thank you.

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00:01:27.000 Yes, very, very good news.

00:01:30.000 And welcome to the club.

00:01:31.000 Tell us about your new book.

00:01:32.000 It's very fun.

00:01:34.000 So we actually, Andy and I had started out by, it started as an inside joke, but what it is, is it's the legend of Nadanja.

00:01:41.000 So for those who might not speak Spanish, Nadanja is an orange.

00:01:44.000 And as you can see from the artwork, I'll let you kind of assume who that might be.

00:01:48.000 You can head over to orangebandbook.com to purchase your signed copy.

00:01:51.000 But what it's about is it's about an orange that's competing with a banana and it's about a race.

00:01:57.000 And unfortunately, Newsweek did not like that we were talking about, as I'm assuming you can assume Joe Biden has the banana.

00:02:05.000 And so they tried to cancel our book, but it's a really fun children's book.

00:02:08.000 And frankly, it teaches a lot of lessons about doing the right thing.

00:02:11.000 All right.

00:02:11.000 Well, how do people find it and where do they get it?

00:02:13.000 You can go over to orangebandbook.com and get your signed copy and it will be live for purchase across all platforms on October 25th.

00:02:21.000 Okay.

00:02:21.000 Well, check it.

00:02:22.000 Everybody check that out.

00:02:23.000 Okay.

00:02:23.000 So now let's go to the continuing resolution knife fight.

00:02:26.000 Take as much time as you'd like, Ana.

00:02:28.000 I know that you've been busy as you should be welcoming a life into the world.

00:02:33.000 But tell us, what is the latest with this CR fight?

00:02:37.000 And are we going to see the government pause aka shutdown?

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 So actually, I just got off of a call last night with some of my conservative colleagues that are really forcing the Congress to actually legislate, I'd say, since the first time since the 90s.

00:02:52.000 And so really the architect behind this, and rightfully so, has been Representative Gates.

00:02:57.000 You know, a lot of people will try to say, oh, Matt's just a bomb throw, but he's not.

00:03:01.000 He's arguably one of the smartest politicians that I've met, especially when it comes to strategy.

00:03:06.000 So the CR and a vote for a CR, and this has been my opinion since the beginning, would really do nothing except for continue to fund a weaponized government.

00:03:14.000 And as you saw, Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer want to stick in a whole bunch of Ukraine funding and send that back over from the Senate to the House.

00:03:22.000 And so what we're doing is we are dragging the conference to really help push those single subject spending bills.

00:03:30.000 And what we're hearing right now, Charlie, is the group as a whole, meaning Representative Ogles, Matt Gates, Eli Crane, a lot of the other members that you saw publicly come out against this in the last few weeks, were still a known the CR.

00:03:42.000 And so it's looking like we're going to be going to a shutdown.

00:03:45.000 But again, just like in January with the negotiations, you know, this has been something that Congress knew this deadline was coming.

00:03:52.000 It's not something that was a surprise.

00:03:54.000 And so I'd say that the right thing to do is to adhere to the agreement that we had for the single subject spending bills.

00:04:01.000 And, you know, if we continue, Charlie, to not do this, what'll happen is we're going to continue to go into debt and we cannot afford that as a country.

00:04:09.000 So walk us through what is the impediment then?

00:04:11.000 What is the establishment or leadership saying?

00:04:14.000 And what are the likelihoods that we're going to reach an impasse?

00:04:19.000 I think as of right now, leadership is potentially talking about still wanting to bring a vote to the floor on Friday.

00:04:27.000 With a CR, it would have been the Byron Donald's version of the CR minus the Ukraine funding.

00:04:33.000 But again, the group of us are saying we don't want a CR.

00:04:37.000 That's part of the problem.

00:04:38.000 And Congress should not govern by CRs.

00:04:40.000 We need to go through these spending bills.

00:04:42.000 We need to work with the appropriators and specifically determine what should be funded and what should not be funded.

00:04:49.000 And so I think what's going to happen is pending that we hold out, unless leadership cuts a deal with Democrats, I think that we'll get our single subject spending bills through.

00:04:59.000 But again, there's a lot of negotiations taking place right now.

00:05:02.000 And I really do have to give Representative Gates credit because he's putting his money where his mouth is.

00:05:07.000 He's meeting with leadership.

00:05:08.000 He's continuing to work through this process.

00:05:11.000 And a lot of my colleagues are standing firm in their positions.

00:05:13.000 You know, we're not going to get rolled on this.

00:05:15.000 Yeah.

00:05:16.000 And so talk about border security or Jack Smith.

00:05:18.000 How are those fights going to kind of play into that?

00:05:22.000 Well, border security absolutely needs to be a part of this entire discussion.

00:05:27.000 As you saw in the initial CR, they had HR2 in there.

00:05:31.000 The one thing that I was sad to see is that they removed E-Verify.

00:05:35.000 But as you're seeing, our southern border is completely being overrun.

00:05:38.000 And so no matter what we do as a Congress, that has to be our number one objective is to ensure that regardless of what the Biden administration is doing, mind you, Charlie, we have laws in place, but the Biden administration is intentionally not enforcing those laws.

00:05:53.000 So we have to keep that in mind when we're negotiating this, because even if we have it in there, if we're not using the power of the purse to ensure that this administration is enforcing those policies and those positions and appointed positions are adhering to our laws of the land, then it's not going to do anything.

00:06:09.000 So that's the first thing.

00:06:10.000 And then the second thing is with Jack Smith and even the DOJ, you saw in the last 24 hours, and I think you had tweeted about it, that a DOJ appointee in Delaware, Leslie Wolf, was actually in charge of really hindering an investigation and leaving out political figure one, who is Joe Biden from a search warrant because of the Hunter Biden corruption case.

00:06:31.000 You know, her position needs to be on the chopping block too. 1.00

00:06:35.000 And so we have to make sure that we are including all of this.

00:06:38.000 And as we continue to move forward, I just want to remind especially conservative voters that we are not trying to do this just to cause chaos.

00:06:48.000 We are doing this to try to save the country.

00:06:50.000 And I cannot emphasize that enough.

00:06:52.000 And you're seeing with the weaponization, if we don't do this correctly, we will essentially be funding a weaponized government, not just against ourselves, but against a candidate for presidential office, which is President Trump.

00:07:04.000 Yeah, that really is the biggest fight in front of us.

00:07:06.000 Talk about impeachment.

00:07:08.000 Where does that stand?

00:07:09.000 And how do you think we should proceed?

00:07:11.000 So as you're seeing today, we kicked off one of the initial hearings for the impeachment inquiry from the get-go, Charlie, starting from when I saw the FBI show us redacted documentation, the FBI coming up with excuses as to why they couldn't tell us who the whistleblower were, to include the FBI having an informant that was leaking information on the open investigation into Hunter Biden to the Bidens.

00:07:35.000 I have thought that this sitting president, you know, Biden is obviously guilty of public corruption based on the evidence.

00:07:41.000 I still think that we need to move forward and we need to do so aggressively.

00:07:46.000 However, I'm just going to be real with the listeners.

00:07:48.000 The Senate will likely not pass the impeachment.

00:07:52.000 Not going to actually move past that.

00:07:55.000 But I think it's important to note that if we can at least get the trial started and we can bring information to the American public, just like what happened with Watergate, the media will inform the public as to what's happening.

00:08:07.000 And I just saw a poll from Axios actually in the last 24 hours, and over half of Americans support this.

00:08:13.000 And so that's important because what we're finding is people that typically might not have gotten politically involved or be paying attention now they're starting to see, hey, you know, there can't be a double standard.

00:08:23.000 And, you know, they might be independents, they might be soft-leading Democrats, but they don't agree with public corruption.

00:08:28.000 So then, in your caucus, do you think we'll be able to get with Republicans a house vote on impeachment before Christmas?

00:08:28.000 Yeah.

00:08:37.000 I hope, but that's going to be up to the speaker.

00:08:40.000 And I think that that's, you know, when you're hearing Representative Gates's arguments on what's happening even with the CR and defunding Jack Smith and all that, I think that it's important for the speaker to see that, you know, Americans, we have to maintain that standard of justice.

00:08:56.000 And when people lose faith in the justice system, it's actually very dangerous because that's when they start to push the envelope and where you really see that deep-rooted corruption start to expand.

00:09:05.000 And so I know that if the speaker is listening to this, I would ask him to do the right thing and bring that vote to the floor so that we can have due diligence and the justice that we deserve.

00:09:15.000 Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna, get back to your newborn baby. 1.00

00:09:18.000 Thank you so much for making the time.

00:09:20.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:09:21.000 God bless.

00:09:24.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:10:27.000 I mean, the media is so dishonest, right?

00:10:28.000 So the media, they cover NAU dishonestly, by the way, right?

00:10:32.000 We had hundreds of people in support and like 60 angry people.

00:10:35.000 Charlie Kirk booed off campus, and they don't do, I mean, honestly, the student newspaper, to their credit, they covered it pretty well.

00:10:40.000 But we had tons of hundreds of people pass through yesterday, and the media is quiet.

00:10:45.000 The student newspaper covered it well.

00:10:47.000 So they're very happy to write a whole article if there's 60 people booing us.

00:10:51.000 And they say, oh, you know, Charlie's not very good at this.

00:10:54.000 Oh, really?

00:10:54.000 Show to a college campus.

00:10:56.000 You'll see unbelievable right-wing support.

00:10:59.000 I'm not saying it's a majority, but it's a lot more than you might believe.

00:11:04.000 So we had an event last night at Arizona State University with Dennis Prager.

00:11:07.000 Dennis is terrific.

00:11:08.000 We don't agree on everything.

00:11:10.000 And I didn't even play into the disagreements yesterday.

00:11:12.000 It's not worth it, right?

00:11:13.000 I mean, if people want to hear us disagree, then we'll go do a podcast or something.

00:11:16.000 We're there to answer questions.

00:11:18.000 But I mean, I'm on 99% agreement with Dennis Prager on basically everything.

00:11:25.000 And earlier in the day, when I did the kind of questions with the students, first of all, far more respectful than NAU. 0.64

00:11:30.000 NAU, they're nasty.

00:11:31.000 But the students yesterday, it was really, it got very philosophical very quickly.

00:11:36.000 And some of the questions that they were asking were very fundamental, which is, do you need a belief in a transcendent to have a free society?

00:11:45.000 That's a really good question.

00:11:47.000 In fact, I was like, that's the question you guys should be mulling over in your Arizona State University philosophy course or your ethics course, which is, can you have a free society without a belief or without any sort of structure in a transcendent?

00:12:05.000 I believe no.

00:12:06.000 And then another great question from a student yesterday.

00:12:09.000 We'll publish these videos.

00:12:09.000 Again, they were nowhere near as spicy as the NAU ones.

00:12:12.000 Some of them are really deep and long and really helpful.

00:12:16.000 One of the students said, Well, Charlie, how do we know a free society is the best society?

00:12:19.000 That's a really good question, actually. 0.84

00:12:20.000 I know it sounds silly.

00:12:22.000 They should probably have come to that conclusion already, but that's what college is all about.

00:12:27.000 And again, I'm no fan of ASU and how they've been handling things and the 30-something professors that signed the letter at the Barrett Honors College saying that Dennis Prager and Charlie Kirk should not be allowed on campus, which sparked this massive free speech fight.

00:12:42.000 But it was very interesting.

00:12:44.000 It was just reinforcing to me while we were able to have this dialogue on the campus of Arizona State University yesterday.

00:12:51.000 That when you are able to have conversation and some form of speech, you can get to some place that is at least closer to the truth.

00:13:02.000 Why is America so bitterly divided, as they say, which I think is a little overrated?

00:13:07.000 Why is America at odds with another?

00:13:09.000 Speech is the remedy to divisions. 0.79

00:13:12.000 When you're not speaking to the other side, you think lower of them.

00:13:17.000 More antagonistic.

00:13:18.000 You're more hostile.

00:13:20.000 In fact, I want to read one of the quotes here from the student newspaper.

00:13:25.000 I thought it was really powerful, and I thought they actually did a really good job covering it, and they quoted me accurately.

00:13:31.000 And I'm a stickler for the truth.

00:13:33.000 Boy, this was all the way up there.

00:13:34.000 This was from last night.

00:13:35.000 I got to find it here.

00:13:36.000 Let me try to see here.

00:13:38.000 It was done by the Arizona State Press.

00:13:41.000 Elena Mellis, a freshman studying music, approached Kirk with questions about his thoughts on contraceptives.

00:13:50.000 Despite her disagreements with him, she said he was mellow.

00:13:54.000 I understand the fact that I'm not going to agree with everything, but he's not unreasonable, Mellis said.

00:14:00.000 She was actually a really sweet girl.

00:14:01.000 I remember.

00:14:02.000 It was about the birth control pill, but that, yeah, I guess that's technically a contraceptive, but anyway.

00:14:08.000 Melise Mellis added that she's interested in having more diverse viewpoints represented on campus.

00:14:15.000 Quote, I think it's really interesting to hear different points of view from people that aren't my own.

00:14:22.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:14:22.000 I think it's interesting to hear different points of view of people that aren't my own, she said.

00:14:26.000 It's interesting to understand where they come from.

00:14:30.000 You see, that was a really important quote because here she's saying that not unreasonable, I disagree with him.

00:14:39.000 That very same young lady very well might have been tricked into screaming at me at Northern Arizona University because they never even let me talk. 1.00

00:14:49.000 They had a built-up prejudice and stereotype of what they thought I was or how I presented my views as some sort of shock artist.

00:14:58.000 When I do believe my views are rather reasonable and justifiable.

00:15:03.000 And so there she puts forward a piece of an opinion that de-radicalizes the antagonism.

00:15:10.000 That right there is evidence that if you want to heal the land and remedy the rupture of America, speech is the way that we do that.

00:15:23.000 Not shutting up the other side.

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00:16:28.000 Joining us now is Sean Spicer.

00:16:31.000 Sean, welcome to the program.

00:16:32.000 Sean, you've been around for a few Republican debates.

00:16:35.000 What is your instant takeaway for the circus that happened last evening?

00:16:40.000 Well, first, I want to say this.

00:16:41.000 I'm proud to see your support for pre-born.

00:16:43.000 That's God bless you, because I think that that's absolutely right.

00:16:45.000 We got to put our money where our mouth is.

00:16:47.000 So I'm a big fan of what you're doing to support that.

00:16:50.000 Second, look, I thought it was an absolute travesty what happened last night.

00:16:55.000 If you closed your eyes and described the scene, Univision was moderating Gavin Newsom in the spin room.

00:17:01.000 I think nine out of 10 people would tell you that you were at a Democratic debate.

00:17:04.000 That was a disaster.

00:17:06.000 It was embarrassing and it was insulting to the candidates there.

00:17:11.000 But more importantly, what it showed to me, and this is the mistake that everybody keeps making on this, Charlie, is I keep saying, well, we need a debate that allows the candidates to speak.

00:17:19.000 Here's the other option that I don't think people are understanding.

00:17:22.000 We've seen all the candidates.

00:17:23.000 We've seen Donald Trump.

00:17:25.000 His support is solid and growing, and their support is not.

00:17:29.000 At some point, trust the voters.

00:17:31.000 The voters have seen the options and they've chosen to stay and grow with Donald Trump.

00:17:36.000 I think that's what the debates have shown.

00:17:38.000 So, Sean, let's see if you could pass the test.

00:17:40.000 Can you tell me what on earth is going on in this tape?

00:17:46.000 It's a little bit hard to track.

00:17:48.000 It's almost indecipherable.

00:17:49.000 And by the way, just so we're clear, this was not one time.

00:17:53.000 This was not two times.

00:17:55.000 Okay, cut 142.

00:17:57.000 We're sitting here in the Reagan library.

00:17:58.000 Yes, I wish you the honor of Ronald Reagan's library.

00:18:01.000 If I may, Tim, from one admirer of Ronald Reagan to another, from one admirer of Reagan to another.

00:18:07.000 We cannot do this.

00:18:10.000 This isn't productive.

00:18:10.000 I want to hear what.

00:18:12.000 I must have a policy debate.

00:18:13.000 What's going on?

00:18:14.000 Let us have the policy actually matter.

00:18:17.000 Let's have out their record.

00:18:18.000 Let's have a policy debate.

00:18:20.000 And the right answer is we need to declare integrators of China.

00:18:23.000 Thank you, man.

00:18:24.000 And I will see that through.

00:18:25.000 You know what the real problem was?

00:18:27.000 Why didn't Doug Bergham also just speak up?

00:18:29.000 I mean, at that point, you just got to get in, man, right?

00:18:32.000 I mean, if six other people.

00:18:34.000 They're going to give that.

00:18:34.000 That's going to be like a stenographer final exam.

00:18:38.000 Ready?

00:18:38.000 Go.

00:18:39.000 Tell me what was said.

00:18:40.000 You're going to be watching these sport reporters try to get that down.

00:18:44.000 I got China, Reagan.

00:18:46.000 And I mean, Sean, it was, so let's just talk about this from a media perspective.

00:18:51.000 I want to say this as an outset.

00:18:52.000 I have immense decades-long gratitude and respect for Stuart Varney.

00:18:57.000 But could the moderators have handled this differently?

00:18:59.000 Sean, you've been in the media business for a while.

00:19:01.000 What could the moderators have done to restore order here?

00:19:05.000 Well, number one, there should have only been one.

00:19:07.000 I mean, when you have three and when you're trying to have a DEI fest, which is what it was, let's include Univision.

00:19:12.000 Let's include the bottom line is have one moderator.

00:19:14.000 The format was horrible.

00:19:16.000 Fox overproduced this thing.

00:19:17.000 They were trying to make it a show.

00:19:19.000 The end of the day, what they should have done is said, here's a topic, China.

00:19:22.000 How are you going to combat China? 0.98

00:19:24.000 Go.

00:19:24.000 You get three minutes, then we'll have three minutes.

00:19:26.000 But they've allowed the format.

00:19:28.000 The tail is wagging the dog on the format.

00:19:31.000 And that's the problem is they want this to be a show.

00:19:34.000 They want to show that when they ask a question, that they look really knowledgeable themselves.

00:19:38.000 It's never been about the moderators.

00:19:39.000 It's supposed to be about the candidates.

00:19:40.000 So I think from the jump, this was set up to fail.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, and I mean, I just like the DEI Fest thing.

00:19:48.000 You know, this is something that people are disagreeing with.

00:19:50.000 But for me, I don't think at a Republican debate held in America, you should have this.

00:19:57.000 Let me play Play Cut 148.

00:20:00.000 Please allow me to welcome our Spanish-speaking audience.

00:20:14.000 Sean, I mean, I'm all for people, you know, still having native language roots.

00:20:20.000 I'm all for winning over new voters, but English should be the official language of the United States.

00:20:25.000 I found that to be really kind of irritating and bothering.

00:20:30.000 Am I wrong, Sean, in believing that?

00:20:32.000 No, look, here's the point.

00:20:33.000 If you want to, we need to grow the party.

00:20:35.000 Politics is about addition, not subtraction.

00:20:37.000 But this is a primary debate.

00:20:39.000 The goal is to give primary and caucus goers and grassroots activists in the conservative movement the best information about who to vote for and who will be the strongest conservative going up against Kamala Harris.

00:20:51.000 Because that's what we're really fighting about.

00:20:53.000 And at the end of the day, to try to make sure that we all looked good, that was a sanctioned debate.

00:20:58.000 The RNC chose that.

00:21:01.000 That was a decision that they made.

00:21:03.000 That helped zero voters make up their mind. 0.84

00:21:06.000 Because after that diatribe in Spanish, the questions were about DACA, CRT.

00:21:11.000 There isn't a single voter in a primary or caucus state that was saying, oh, Judy, I'm glad you asked that question.

00:21:17.000 We wasted a ton of time to show that we're trying to reach out.

00:21:21.000 This isn't a general election.

00:21:23.000 This was about this.

00:21:24.000 That was political malpractice.

00:21:27.000 The idea that we wasted that much time to try to look good when we weren't doing anything to further the cause of finding a Republican nominee.

00:21:35.000 I mean, if I were Donald Trump, I was sitting there saying, thank God I went to Michigan.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:39.000 So who is the big winner out of all this?

00:21:42.000 And Sean, I was getting a lot of texts from donors and people.

00:21:46.000 They say, Charlie, is this really the best that we have?

00:21:48.000 And the answer is also this, though, is that excellence drives excellence.

00:21:52.000 So when you do not have your best candidate, he would have pushed other candidates to be better, right?

00:21:57.000 First of all, if Donald Trump would have been there, he would have, this interrupting thing wouldn't have happened.

00:22:02.000 And by the way, it doesn't exactly make the case that Donald Trump should participate in future debates.

00:22:07.000 Right.

00:22:07.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:22:08.000 I think if I were Trump, I sat there and said, I actually communicated with UAW workers explaining why Biden's policy.

00:22:14.000 I mean, the nut of last night, just to be clear, Trump went to Michigan and said, you can get the biggest raise in the world.

00:22:20.000 You can get a million-dollar raise.

00:22:21.000 If your job doesn't exist, it doesn't matter.

00:22:25.000 And what Biden's policies are doing is getting rid of your industry and what you do for a living.

00:22:30.000 So don't buy into a short-term deal.

00:22:32.000 Biden is selling you fairy dust.

00:22:34.000 Trump actually had an audience to himself to explain why Biden's policies are bad for Michigan, bad for America.

00:22:40.000 Trump won Michigan by 10,703 votes in 2016.

00:22:44.000 He can do it again by peeling off more union workers that understand that he's fighting for their jobs and fighting for the future of America.

00:22:51.000 Last night, it would have been a complete joke, and he made the right decision by not going there.

00:22:56.000 Charlie, when your clearest and nearest competitor is 45 points, 45 to 50 points behind you, why on earth would you show up and give them a stage to do this?

00:23:06.000 Look, maybe when we get closer down, but I go back to the point I made a minute ago.

00:23:12.000 The voters have seen these folks.

00:23:13.000 Mike Pence was a governor, a member of Congress, the vice president for four years.

00:23:16.000 Nikki Haley, a two-term governor, Tim Scott, two-term senator.

00:23:21.000 They've seen the candidates.

00:23:22.000 They've seen Donald Trump and they've made their mind up.

00:23:25.000 We are three plus months out from the Iowa caucuses.

00:23:28.000 And whether you look at state polls or national polls, I think the decision of most voters, and your point was made on this second ago, it grows for Donald Trump.

00:23:37.000 The more people see these other guys that are like, God, I would rather get in the Trump train now.

00:23:41.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:23:43.000 By the way, the Iowa caucuses are January 15th.

00:23:46.000 Just, you know, everyone can circle that on your calendar.

00:23:50.000 Okay, I want to play another piece of tape here.

00:23:53.000 So this is just, you have two people that are honestly, you know, one of them has a nice role to play in the U.S. Senate.

00:24:01.000 Other one is not really doing very well, but is trying to be like the new heir apparent Nikki Haley.

00:24:08.000 This is a complete waste of everybody's time.

00:24:10.000 Play Cut 150.

00:24:11.000 I think, look, I appreciate Tim.

00:24:13.000 We've known each other a long time, but he's been there 12 years, and he hasn't done any of that.

00:24:18.000 He hasn't.

00:24:19.000 They've only given four budgets on time in 40 years to be able to do it.

00:24:22.000 He's part of it.

00:24:24.000 He increased the national debt.

00:24:25.000 He voted for the spending.

00:24:28.000 He has made sure that the boards are open.

00:24:31.000 You're looking at Kevin.

00:24:33.000 12 years.

00:24:33.000 Where have you been?

00:24:35.000 I voted no.

00:24:36.000 I voted all these things.

00:24:37.000 We've waited.

00:24:38.000 I have voted.

00:24:38.000 Nothing has happened.

00:24:39.000 Here's what you've done.

00:24:41.000 Here's the thing that I've both find interesting.

00:24:43.000 Ron, let me finish the first.

00:24:44.000 These guys have said that.

00:24:45.000 Here's the fact.

00:24:46.000 And I appreciate a lot of the things they're saying.

00:24:48.000 Nikki, I'm the only one up here who's gotten in the big fights and has delivered big victories for the people of Florida.

00:24:55.000 And that's what it's all about.

00:24:56.000 I mean, actually, a pretty good line from DeSantis, but does this get us closer, Sean, to get us to beating Joe Biden or the Democrats in November of 24?

00:25:06.000 Well, in the sense that the sooner that we come up with the nominee, and right now, again, my point is I think that Trump, the more we can coalesce and begin that general election fight, the better.

00:25:17.000 But I don't think we did ourselves any favors last night.

00:25:20.000 I don't think this, the one thing I will say from an image standpoint, Charlie, I will say this.

00:25:24.000 If you turn down the volume and look at the stage, I think it reflects well on the conservative movement and the political and the Republican Party that we had people of color there, people of success.

00:25:32.000 Doug Bergham and Vivek Ramaswamy are successful business people.

00:25:36.000 I like the look, but I thought that the behavior and the tone last night didn't do the party any favors.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:25:44.000 Sean, tell us about your new podcast, please.

00:25:46.000 Thank you, sir.

00:25:46.000 The Sean Spicer Show is available every day, five days a week on Apple, YouTube, and Rumble.

00:25:53.000 As you know, Charlie, I'm trying to follow your trail.

00:25:56.000 I feel like a NASCAR driver trying to draft behind you.

00:25:58.000 But any subscriptions are super helpful to help in this world of conservative, independent media.

00:26:03.000 I got asked this morning, you know, what would you have done differently about this debates?

00:26:06.000 And I said, why aren't we putting people like, you know, Charlie Kirk, Dan Bongino, Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro, Salem Media folks?

00:26:14.000 Like, why are we doing Univision?

00:26:17.000 We have independent media that is successful.

00:26:19.000 You've blazed the trail in this.

00:26:21.000 I think that turning point could be hosting a debate.

00:26:23.000 I mean, so I'm proud to be joining the independent media group by going out there with the Sean Spicer show.

00:26:29.000 Please subscribe and help me grow like Charlie.

00:26:32.000 Thank you to everybody who's helped him.

00:26:34.000 I just want a fraction.

00:26:35.000 No, Sean is great.

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00:26:40.000 You're welcome anytime.

00:26:40.000 Thank you.

00:26:41.000 Thanks, buddy.

00:26:42.000 Always appreciate it.

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00:27:51.000 All right, this is what drives me nuts.

00:27:54.000 Happy talk.

00:27:56.000 This is an interesting question.

00:27:59.000 You can believe that the American dream still exists for some people, but to say that the American dream is healthy and intact, that doesn't resonate.

00:28:11.000 This connects perfectly with something I want to talk about that I was almost trying out in real time with the Arizona State students yesterday who were very receptive.

00:28:20.000 They were very polite.

00:28:21.000 I have nothing but good things to say about them, including the ones who disagreed.

00:28:24.000 I mean, there were a lot of people coming up doing F-bombs and, you know, the flicking of that. 0.99

00:28:27.000 Hope you go to hell, hope your kids die, all that sort of stuff. 0.99

00:28:30.000 That's normal, but that's just like passerbys. 1.00

00:28:32.000 That's like skateboard bros, right?

00:28:34.000 Mostly women. 1.00

00:28:36.000 But the people that actually engaged were terrific.

00:28:40.000 They really were.

00:28:40.000 Okay, Play Cut 160.

00:28:43.000 This is not how you win younger voters.

00:28:46.000 Play Cut 160.

00:28:48.000 America and the Dream.

00:28:49.000 It is alive, it is well, and it is healthy.

00:28:52.000 God bless these United States of America.

00:28:57.000 Okay, bro, I'm an admirer of your story.

00:29:00.000 I'm glad you're in the U.S. Senate.

00:29:01.000 It's not healthy.

00:29:03.000 This is 1989 happy talk.

00:29:05.000 Now, I'm not willing to say the American Dream is dead.

00:29:07.000 I'm not a leftist.

00:29:08.000 Marxists do that all the time.

00:29:10.000 But to say it's healthy, it is sick, man. 0.98

00:29:13.000 It is diseased. 0.89

00:29:15.000 And Senator Scott, I don't think I've ever had a negative thing to say about Senator Scott.

00:29:21.000 I mean, by all accounts, he's very pleasant, very sweet.

00:29:24.000 He was to me.

00:29:25.000 But Senator Scott, I would love to have you attend with me one of these campus events.

00:29:31.000 And you could, you know, you could sit and just watch.

00:29:34.000 And yesterday, I had this group of people in front of me, right, talking.

00:29:37.000 And again, great conversation, positive dialogue, constructive, everything that Turning Point USA stands for, everything.

00:29:44.000 And we had some disagreement.

00:29:45.000 I said, timeout.

00:29:46.000 How many of you believe that you're going to be able to own a home in the next five years?

00:29:51.000 No hands go up.

00:29:53.000 How many of you feel as if you are going to have nonstop debt for the next decade?

00:29:59.000 Every hand goes up.

00:30:01.000 They have been created as Russian serfs. 1.00

00:30:03.000 Home ownership is so hard to find because what we've done is we saddle them with unnecessary student loan debt, send them to schools to learn silly and stupid stuff, fill them up with really bad ideas. 0.97

00:30:16.000 And we printed all this money, massive structural inflation over the last couple of years.

00:30:23.000 So all of our asset prices have gone up and young people can't even pay the down payment, let alone service the loan, especially in major metropolitan areas like Dallas, Austin, Texas, Houston, Phoenix.

00:30:39.000 Home prices in Phoenix have gone up 65 to 70% since COVID.

00:30:48.000 The price to fill a tank of gas has doubled.

00:30:52.000 And something that I hear a lot is some older people, you know, baby boomers, God bless them, say, Charlie, why don't the kids just work harder?

00:31:01.000 The American dream is alive and well.

00:31:03.000 Not for a 26-year-old.

00:31:05.000 It isn't.

00:31:06.000 And I'm not one to play victim politics.

00:31:08.000 So if I'm saying this, you guys should listen very carefully.

00:31:12.000 But if I'm talking to these kids on campus, they own nothing.

00:31:17.000 They owe nothing.

00:31:18.000 So they're going to enter into a workforce.

00:31:20.000 And the only way they could probably even make ends meet is maybe a loan from their parents.

00:31:25.000 Try going into the Phoenix housing market at age 25.

00:31:30.000 Rent alone is going up 15 to 20% a year in Phoenix.

00:31:36.000 Trying to get married.

00:31:37.000 Please, I want anyone that's talking down to these kids, like Tim Scott, who just rehearses this disgusting Chamber of Commerce talking point.

00:31:45.000 Try get married and having kids in your 20s like your parents could.

00:31:48.000 I have to replay this.

00:31:49.000 This is Tim Scott.

00:31:50.000 What country is he talking about?

00:31:52.000 It's as if it's like back to the future, as if he's some sort of time traveler.

00:31:56.000 He's just like giving a 1989 speech.

00:31:59.000 Play it again.

00:32:00.000 Play Cut 160.

00:32:01.000 America and the dream.

00:32:03.000 It is alive, it is well, and it is healthy.

00:32:06.000 God bless these United States of America.

00:32:10.000 It's not healthy, man.

00:32:12.000 It does the Republican Party no good.

00:32:14.000 You are doing active damage to the conservative movement.

00:32:18.000 You sound disconnected.

00:32:19.000 You sound elitist.

00:32:21.000 You sound, it's denialism.

00:32:23.000 You know, the left piles on because they say, oh, we're climate denialists. 1.00

00:32:26.000 Forget that crap. 1.00

00:32:27.000 That's a bunch of nonsense. 1.00

00:32:28.000 You are economically denying.

00:32:33.000 You are in active generational denial if you think the American Dream is alive and well.

00:32:40.000 Sit down, pick 10 random kids at the University of Arizona or Arizona State University and sit down and go through their economics and financials with them.

00:32:48.000 It will blow your mind.

00:32:49.000 They're a nation of debtors, Russian serfs that own nothing and told to be happy. 1.00

00:32:55.000 So for Republican candidates, stop saying the American Dream is healthy. 0.99

00:32:59.000 It's diseased, sick, and dying.

00:33:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:03.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:06.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 29, 2023

Is the American Dream Healthy? with Sean Spicer and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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