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00:01:16.000Joining us now is an excellent guest, Dr. Taylor Marshall, who is the most popular Catholic YouTuber and has a lot to say about what is happening with the Pope.
00:01:28.000Dr. Marshall, thank you for taking the time.
00:01:30.000I always want to make sure I get these facts right because sometimes there could be translation issues for what the Pope says.
00:01:36.000So let's just, outside of all the media fervor, all the rancor, what exactly was the Pope's position and/or statement yesterday when it came to blessing same-sex civil unions?
00:01:49.000Well, there's been a growing debate, and it's really reached.
00:01:54.000I mean, basically, you have five cardinals of the Catholic Church who have written five requests asking the Pope to clarify his position on five key issues.
00:02:07.000One of those issues is the blessing of same-sex unions by clergy, by priests.
00:02:13.000Pope Francis has already said that you cannot have gay matrimony, marriage in the church because that's between a man and a woman.
00:02:21.000So theologians have said, okay, well, if we can't have a gay marriage in the church, what if we have a same-sex blessing in the church?
00:02:31.000And this is a big debate coming into a Synod of Synodality here in October.
00:02:36.000And the Pope has been very careful about it, but it seems very clear by whom he's appointed and the people he's listening to that he is starting to pave the way for there to be these same-sex blessings, not same-sex marriages.
00:02:51.000And of course, this is creating a huge scandal amongst the over 1 billion Catholics on planet Earth.
00:02:57.000So I'm not Catholic, but I have great respect for Catholics.
00:03:00.000And something that I've always admired about the Catholic Church, especially in recent years, is some of the strongest social conservatives are Catholic.
00:03:08.000And there is this kind of promise of dogma that doesn't change, right?
00:03:12.000That we're going to protect the family no matter how much the culture tries to make us convinced.
00:03:38.000Remind us of some of the other troubling statements, not the internet misinterpretations that this Pope has made that is starting to pave the way to question and weaken Catholic dogma.
00:03:53.000Yes, I mean, one of the key issues that the cardinals are objecting to is they're asking the pope, can doctrine change?
00:04:02.000As you know, the Catholic Church for 2,000 years says that doctrine can't change.
00:04:07.000Jesus gave us what's called the deposit of faith.
00:04:09.000He gave it to the 12 apostles, and they pass it down over time.
00:04:12.000It's codified in sacred scripture and in sacred tradition, and it can't change.
00:04:16.000But the Jesuits, beginning in the 1950s, and Pope Francis is a Jesuit, beginning in the 1950s, they started saying, well, you know, we can evolve doctrine.
00:05:01.000So to come in and to start to tinker with that and to say we're going to have two men or two women or why not have three or four, it's either Adam and Eve, man and woman, Christ in the church, or it's not.
00:05:15.000And these Jesuit theologians have been tinkering with this and saying, well, love is love and God is love.
00:05:24.000And the problem is, is it simulates matrimony, a man and a woman coming together in the image of Christ in the church.
00:05:33.000And it's gravely scandalous and it's confusing.
00:05:36.000And part of the problem is Pope Francis has recently hired this new archbishop from Argentina, who is a Jesuit and who is, he wrote a book called Heal Me With Your Mouth.
00:05:48.000And this theologian has been appointed by Pope Francis to re-haul, allegedly, some of these 2,000, going back even into the Old Testament, these over 2,000-year teachings from Almighty God in the Bible.
00:06:20.000And this has been a long looming battle and war that is now bubbling up at the top levels.
00:06:27.000And Pope Francis, coming from a Jesuit, you could even say a more Paulo Fieri liberation theology type worldview.
00:06:38.000I'm not a Catholic, so I could speak freely.
00:06:40.000He feels like an infiltrator that is LARPing as a pope.
00:06:45.000And I know that might consider be heresy in your circles.
00:06:47.000I don't care because compare him to John Paul, who was so strong against Marxism, in favor of the family, all these things.
00:06:55.000I think the world is a much better place with a pope that is not trying to bring Marxism into the largest family of Christians that we know on the planet.
00:07:06.000I think that's a good thing for humanity.
00:07:11.000Would you agree at least in premise that Pope Francis is introducing, I would call them unclean spirits or even heretical ideas that are rooted in Marxism, critical theory, Paulo Fieri?
00:08:05.000He even placed it in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican in front of the altar, which is over the tomb of Saint Peter, the apostle.
00:08:14.000This was gravely scandalous to the entire world because, as you know, basic teaching, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is thou shalt have no other gods before me.
00:08:25.000I mean, it is commandment number one, Charlie.
00:08:30.000And the fact that he would try to enculturate, that's what they do.
00:08:33.000They, in the name of enculturation, let's bring in this idol, this totem, and bring it into the church.
00:08:39.000And somehow that will convince non-Christians in South America to somehow become Christian.
00:08:45.000And this is completely foreign to the teaching of the Bible, where you see Christ telling the apostles, go into the nations, baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and teach them all that I have commanded you.
00:09:11.000And now there is the tinkering with sacraments and the tinkering with holy matrimony and what it means to be a man and a woman.
00:09:19.000And ultimately, what is human sexuality?
00:09:23.000And again, I cannot express more to your audience what a huge scandal this is, not only for Catholics like myself, or you had mentioned, you know, Michael Knowles or, you know, Walsh.
00:09:45.000And it's interesting: the five cardinals that have objected to this: one is American, one is Mexican, one is German, one is African, one is Chinese.
00:09:55.000So you're hitting all the Australia's not in there.
00:10:39.000So this has never happened in the history of the church, but theologians like St. Robert Bellerman and others, Cardinal Henry Newman, they talked about how if a pope were to defect from the faith and become a manifest heretic, or just say, I believe in Buddha now, or I'm following Muhammad, that by ceasing to be Catholic, they would cease to be the Pope.
00:11:03.000Now, the mechanisms for discerning that and executing that have never been done.
00:11:07.000And that's part of the controversy right now.
00:11:09.000But more and more people, I mean, recently there was a very prominent Catholic priest, Father James Altman, who came out and said Francis isn't the Pope to the scandal of many people.
00:11:20.000You have Bishop Strickland, who's a great hero of the faith in Tyler, Texas, down the street from me.
00:11:25.000He's under investigation because he went out and protested the trans thing that happened at the LA Dodgers over the summer and has also been critical of some of these maneuverings of Pope Francis.
00:11:35.000So you're starting to, there's kind of been an underground division, and now the cracks in the plaster, cracks in the sheetrock are starting to manifest, and this could break open.
00:11:47.000And I'm curious, I understand enough to be dangerous, you know, how that would work.
00:11:52.000And then if would that person, is that person actually the Holy Father in Catholicism if they're not Catholic?
00:11:58.000And I'm really upset because Pope Francis took away one of my favorite jokes where someone says, you know, Charlie, are you hungry?
00:12:06.000And now I can't say that because he's obviously not Catholic, right?
00:12:09.000So he took away one of my favorite jokes because I mean, I'm just looking as an outsider.
00:12:14.000Like he doesn't, at least in my personal understanding of what he's been saying, he doesn't espouse like basic teaching of the church.
00:12:22.000He seems far more interested in kind of going with the winds of social change and the narratives of the day, giving these long, I think you would call them encyclicals on climate change.
00:12:32.000It's like, what are you talking about?
00:13:34.000It's time to prepare for what's coming, mypatriotsupply.com.
00:13:40.000So it's an unfair question, but I have to ask it, which is a hypothetical.
00:13:46.000What would it take for you or your fellow Catholic brethren to say, we're going to do something serious and we no longer believe the Pope is the Holy Father?
00:13:58.000I know that's a hypothetical, but what is the line?
00:14:01.000Has that been discussed in Catholic intellectual circles?
00:14:04.000This is probably discussed at coffee after Mass in so many different places for the past several years.
00:14:11.000When I go around, people ask me this question constantly.
00:14:18.000And I think the layman's answer to that is we have a canonical structure here.
00:14:25.000And so I think just as if, you know, you believed O.J. Simpson murdered someone, you can't create your own vigilante justice system.
00:14:34.000So there is this patience of waiting it out and figuring out.
00:14:38.000And of course, if Francis were to go forward with gay marriages or women's ordination or to dogmatize liberation theology and say we're all communists now, I think that would just strengthen the resistance movement for people to honestly assess and call together the cardinals of the Catholic Church.
00:14:56.000That is, I think, most theologians and intellectuals think the cardinals of the Catholic Church would first warn and admonish the Pope, which I think has just happened over the past week, honestly.
00:15:05.000And then if there weren't repentance or clarification, then they would begin to ask the questions, well, are you a heretic?
00:15:15.000And that seems to be the process that is lined out by ancient theologians and St. Robert Bellarman, who's kind of the expert on the papacy.
00:15:25.000I don't think we could all just fragment into, you know, 10,000 different denominations of what we think Catholicism is.
00:15:32.000There would have to be a patience and there would have to be a canonical process, a trial, and then, of course, the election of a new pope.
00:15:39.000And of course, all of this could be averted if Pope Francis died tomorrow or something like that.
00:15:44.000Then, of course, we would be on to the process of having a new pope, and all this would be, of course, held for review.
00:15:52.000I mean, there's over 2,000 years of church history.
00:15:55.000Has there ever been an instance where a pope has been removed?
00:15:58.000There have been popes who have resigned.
00:16:00.000Actually, the pope before Francis, Pope Ben 16th, he was a privilege.
00:16:03.000That was the first time in like a thousand years or something, right?
00:16:57.000But I think that the fact that you have five cardinals from five different continents representing the faithful all over the world who are sending what's called dubia, which is Latin for doubtful questions, like, hey, we got some doubts on what you're teaching here.
00:17:47.000Well, in 1870, we had a council called the First Vatican Council, and it said the Pope is only infallible in faith and morals when he speaks ex cathrita.
00:17:56.000And ex Catharida is a fancy Latin term.
00:17:58.000It means when he speaks dogmatically and authority from the chair, from the seat.
00:18:03.000And it's very clear that he has to pronounce that he is speaking ex catharida.
00:18:07.000So Francis has never spoken ex Catharida.
00:18:19.000And so those who would say, well, the Pope is always infallible on the weather and soccer games and whatever, that's just simply not Catholic teaching.
00:18:26.000And that was clarified in 1870 at the first Vatican Council.
00:18:42.000We are all Christians together, and we need to stand together against the Marxists and the apostates and these godless secularists destroying our culture and all that is good, true, and beautiful.
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00:20:27.000Every four years, California GOP, like most of the parties around the country, adopts a platform in anticipation for the national convention next year.
00:20:36.000And so we usually have a process where there are competing drafts that are submitted, and the platform committee, which consists of party leaders, including myself, get to vote on it.
00:20:46.000This year around, like in prior years, there was an effort to really water down the platform on a couple of points: abortion, traditional marriage, as well as our commitment to Prop 13, California's landmark tax law that keeps taxes low on property taxes.
00:21:02.000So we really had a concerted grassroots effort to challenge these watering down efforts on the platform.
00:21:09.000And it was kind of a grassroots and base versus establishment fight.
00:21:15.000And with a concerted effort, I'm proud to say that we defeated the effort to water down our platform and kept it conservative.
00:21:22.000But the reason I think this is important is with a national platform, a similar effort goes on every four years.
00:21:28.000And there are some folks who try and try their best to get onto the platform committee of their RNC convention just for purposes of watering it down, particularly on social issues.
00:21:39.000And so I want to make sure that conservatives around the country are aware of this and start making their plans to keep the platform conservative.
00:21:47.000So, yeah, talk about how they were trying to strip the social issues.
00:21:51.000In particular, it looks like this article, California GOP rejects effort to strip abortion, same-sex marriage from the platform.
00:21:59.000Who are the ones that were pushing this?
00:22:41.000It's the constitution of the party, if you will.
00:22:44.000And so to water that down means that what you're trying to do is pander to the left or Democrat voters and not considering the expense to our base.
00:22:54.000And so, you know, for me, both ideologically, I am a conservative and that's why I'm in the party.
00:23:00.000I don't think that trying to make ourselves Democrat-like is in any way going to help us either win elections or be morally correct.
00:23:08.000And so I did lead this effort with a couple of other conservatives in the party.
00:23:12.000So even though the drafting committee produced this liberal draft, the grassroots of the party united.
00:23:22.000And by the end of the day, the morning of the vote, we had the legislative leaders in California, as well as three members of Congress on our side.
00:23:40.000It was notable 10 or 12 or 15 years ago, California rejected the redefinition of marriage by ballot referendum.
00:23:48.000And then, like, 10 or 15 years later, you have the Republican Party trying to remove what the voters just a decade ago clearly said, you know, marriage should not be redefined.
00:23:59.000I understand that public sentiment has changed on the issue, but I don't think it's actually changed nearly as much as they think it has.
00:24:06.000I actually think, and by the way, polling is showing that social conservatism is coming back in popularity.
00:24:12.000But Harmit, we're never going to win as Republicans if we think we can just continue to water down the essence of conservative truth and then somehow win as like Democrat light in Orange County.
00:24:39.000And what the, you know, sort of call it the reform wing of the party is saying today is, oh, well, this is outdated because the Supreme Court has ruled that you can't discriminate on this basis.
00:24:50.000And so, you know, look, the Supreme Court has ruled a lot of things over the years, including the Dred Scott decision, including, you know, some decisions that we look back on, Buck versus Bell, and we disagree with this isn't necessarily in the same vein, but let's just say the platform is going to take a long while and the base is going to take a long while to get there to eliminate that plague.
00:25:14.000And if we ever did that, which I disagree with, it would definitely alienate a lot of our base and be suicidal.
00:25:20.000But this isn't the first time, look, I've had to fight with leaders in California who just want to be more popular and say, oh, let's go for a carbon tax and let's water down our commitment to anti-tax and other issues.
00:25:32.000Conservatives have to realize that there are forces in the party who, for their own reasons, want to use the party to validate their choices, their career goals, or what have you.
00:25:45.000So in prior conventions, I've seen the same battle take place on socially liberal issues at the national convention.
00:25:55.000And there are people who campaign just to get on that, just to make a fuss.
00:25:58.000It becomes a media spectacle and it is a distraction in our goal of winning elections.
00:26:04.000And so at the end of the day, I don't know how I, as an activist, convince people to get out there on weekends and join me, do the work that like our friend Scott Pressler does to get out there and register voters.
00:26:15.000If we're very similar to the Democrats, what's the point?
00:26:19.000So I think we have to draw those sharp distinctions just tactically, as well as do what is morally right for our party and for our own values.
00:26:26.000But also, you know, just from a tactical political standpoint, if you remove life from the party platform, who do they think is the base of so much of the activism?
00:26:34.000Pro-lifers compose, especially out of the churches, so much of the energy.
00:26:39.000Just look at Pastor Jack Hibbs, who has done so much to help retake Chino and try to flip state Senate seats.
00:26:47.000California has some of these massive churches and to try to say we're going to remove a position that honestly 40% of the state of California believes.
00:27:04.000Harmee, let's look at another place where there's a ton of infighting.
00:27:06.000What is your take right now of what's happening in the U.S. House and how we should think about that?
00:27:11.000Well, look, I think it's a question of promises made and promises kept.
00:27:15.000There were a number of promises made by Speaker McCarthy to win his leadership position.
00:27:21.000And some of those promises were made publicly.
00:27:23.000And I think some of those promises were made behind closed doors.
00:27:27.000And where you get into power making certain promises, and then certainly the people you made them to don't feel like they've been honored, then you get this kind of a discord.
00:27:37.000But I would have to step back and say at the end of the day, you have to play a game of chess here, not checkers, and look a few moves ahead.
00:27:46.000And where does this leave us as a party?
00:27:48.000So that's the sordid reality of politics: a lot of things go wrong.
00:28:03.000I'm sympathetic to holding our leaders to the highest possible standard.
00:28:07.000I'm more sympathetic to making sure that Democrats don't take control of this country.
00:28:12.000People are suffering badly enough as it is.
00:28:14.000Harmeet, talk about how do you see Republicans starting to improve their mentality for ballot chasing election integrity, especially in the key states that we need to win?
00:28:25.000Certainly around the country, people are adopting this rhetoric and this effort in the party.
00:28:29.000There also are a lot of activists who are concerned because to be frank, even if we chase ballots and even if we get them all in, which is a very important part of the equation, the other part of the equation is counting them accurately.
00:28:44.000And is there due process and the ability to challenge?
00:28:47.000When you have a federal government that is literally imprisoning and threatening to imprison and indicting lawyers who simply ask questions in court, you are really gutting the integrity of that process.
00:28:57.000So we as a party have to fight back against that and defend those lawyers.
00:29:02.000We have to also in the front end get those ballots into the system.
00:29:04.000And then in the middle of that process, we have to make sure that we have all our eyes and ears on counting.
00:29:10.000If we're not allowed to count and get that commitment in advance, we have to go to court and make sure we have the right to count, that the count is accurate and that there's a remedy at the end of the day.
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00:30:41.000I was asked a question yesterday by a young man in a mask.
00:30:46.000And he said, Charlie, is there anything good you could say about liberals?
00:30:50.000He meant leftists, but I answered the question.
00:31:04.000So while Donald Trump is facing 500 years in federal prison with Jack Smith, he's facing life imprisonment in Georgia, the documents case, and Alvin Bragg.
00:31:16.000To add on top of it, they're trying to take all of his wealth that he built, that he earned.
00:31:22.000Understand what is going on with this New York civil fraud trial.
00:31:33.000This is the promise of earned success on trial.
00:31:39.000Wall Street Journal writes, what a ridiculous headline.
00:31:44.000Trump fumes as fraud trial starts new phase of legal peril.
00:31:48.000Can someone tell me who he defrauded exactly?
00:31:52.000They say that he reaped $250 million in ill-gotten gains.
00:31:57.000Basically, this is the lesson, is that if you're rich and you run for office or use something they'll like, they can now use the power of the courts to just take your stuff away.
00:32:08.000Just another example of how we are living in a third world country.
00:32:40.000Now, I'm going to say something controversial.
00:32:42.000Even though I'm being taped, juries get it wrong a lot, but I've had situations where like, oh my heaven's sake, how could they have thought that?
00:32:51.000I have a tool that I can deal with that.
00:32:53.000It's called jury notwithstanding the verdict.
00:33:21.000Someone who's actually argued cases in front of him.
00:33:24.000I argued a case in front of him a few years back.
00:33:28.000In my case, he told me, I don't care about the facts.
00:33:30.000I just care about what I think happened.
00:33:33.000I, the lawyer, kept nailing the other side of specific statements, what the parties had done, how they committed themselves to the agreement, et cetera.
00:33:40.000The judge kept saying he doesn't care.
00:33:43.000The whole case was reliance on an oral agreement.
00:33:46.000At the end of the case, after losing, approaching the bar, the judge says, you're an excellent attorney, but never represent a client like that again.
00:33:56.000So basically, he decided he didn't like the client.
00:33:58.000He just made a judgment and accorded the position without caring about the actual facts of the law.
00:34:03.000This is a top-level attorney in New York, like top, top, top.