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00:01:30.000Last weekend at about two o'clock in the morning, Saturday night, Sunday morning, one or more arsonists broke into this building and they set two fires.
00:01:38.000They set one fire on the ground floor of the corridor between our office, Center of the America Experiment, and space across the hall that we subleased to take charge, which is Kendall and Sheila Falls organization.
00:01:51.000So the arsonists set one fire there and then they set a completely different fire up on the third floor.
00:01:58.000And I think they broke down the door to the office of the Upper Midwest Law Center and set that second fire inside that office, which is now completely destroyed.
00:02:08.000It's obvious that these arsonists targeting conservative groups.
00:02:11.000This building is full of psychologists and hierophants and financial advisors and so on.
00:02:16.000They didn't target any of those people.
00:02:18.000They specifically targeted the three conservative groups that are located in this building.
00:02:54.000Arsonists come in, and I would imagine there's a federal hate crime statute about this, you know, using explosionary incendiary devices against people's political views.
00:03:08.000This is a major story that has received zero mainstream coverage.
00:03:12.000Well, thanks again, Kirk Charlie, for having us on here.
00:03:14.000And it's been a really frustrating situation for us.
00:03:18.000Last Sunday, January 28th, I got an email saying that our office has been totally torched.
00:03:25.000As John Hinderocker from Center of the American Experiment said, firebombed, essentially using accelerants in front of our office on the third floor of the building and in front of Center of the American Experiment and take charge on the first floor of the building.
00:03:40.000And some of that footage you just played there was our office on the third floor, which was essentially entirely destroyed with some rare exceptions, unfortunately.
00:03:52.000And it's been a really awful situation.
00:03:55.000But as John said, despite it being terrible to feel targeted like this, we are going forward without any stopping in our work.
00:04:03.000We're going to continue to do the good work that we do on behalf of the people of Minnesota.
00:04:07.000Yeah, so just walk us through some more of the details here.
00:04:14.000I mean, it's obvious it's political in nature, and then connect that with just the bubbling up of radicalism every so often we see in Minnesota.
00:04:22.000You know, we hear about Minnesota NICE.
00:04:27.000So as far as we know, what I'm aware of at this point, first of all, there are security cameras at the building and there was a security camera on the first floor in front of Senate of the American Experiment.
00:04:38.000I've had conversations with federal law enforcement a couple of times so far.
00:04:43.000They are hot on the trail and I don't have any updates in terms of any arrests or any suspects that they've identified so far, but they are hot on the trail.
00:04:53.000They seem like very, very much wanting to get the people involved here.
00:04:57.000And yeah, I mean, you know, you think of Minnesota NICE, you think that there's going to be people out there who may disagree with us, but that they'll respectfully disagree.
00:05:07.000And unfortunately, there is a large element in Minnesota, apparently, of people who are willing to take action like this and, you know, attack someone, torch their office because of their political views.
00:05:20.000I mean, we know politics, but a motive.
00:05:21.000Is there something, a project that is being worked on or being considered that triggered this?
00:05:28.000Or was this a like, let's just say an escalating type conflict?
00:05:34.000You know, we don't have, this came out kind of out of the blue for us, but I mean, we do take on a lot of very at the Upper Midwest Law Center, which is my firm, we take on a lot of hot button issues.
00:05:43.000I'm arguing in the Supreme Court of Minnesota on Thursday that the governor did not have the authority to declare a peacetime emergency in response to COVID-19.
00:05:52.000We have an argument coming up in the Minnesota Supreme Court in April that the new change in the legislature, that those who are still serving felony sentences are allowed to vote despite the Constitution's statement to the contrary for Minnesota.
00:06:05.000That's coming up in April in the Minnesota Supreme Court.
00:06:08.000So there are some very high profile issues that we take on.
00:06:13.000And we don't know if there any particular issue is the cause of this, but we have to think that, I mean, as John Hendracker said, they didn't set fire in front of the chiropractor and the psychologist.
00:06:23.000They set fire in front of the three conservative organizations.
00:07:19.000Do you have any evidence that federal law enforcement is on the case here?
00:07:23.000Oh, yeah, federal law enforcement is absolutely on the case.
00:07:26.000We've had interviews with them and I know that they're working on it.
00:07:32.000And I can't say much more than that at this point, I think, but I think I'm hopeful that we'll see something here soon.
00:07:37.000As for supporting us, you can go to umlc.org slash donate, umlc.org slash donate.
00:07:43.000And every dollar that we get, of course, goes to our work.
00:07:47.000And we certainly do, like you said, try to bring clear constitutional claims on behalf of people in Minnesota who deserve their right to individual freedom and liberty.
00:07:56.000And, you know, we're really grateful for all the support that we can get.
00:09:25.000I believe it was over 100 that they were investigating.
00:09:30.000And there just seemed to be zero urgency from federal law enforcement.
00:09:35.000Yeah, they put out eventually the FBI kind of got off their rears and started offering reward money, but it took the conservative social media basically pushing back on it a number of times.
00:09:57.000But the reason they get mad when we do this is because it's just so clear every time.
00:10:03.000If the shoe was on the other foot, all we would hear about is domestic violent extremists and MAGA conservatives.
00:10:09.000And Biden would issue a press conference and say the number one threat in America is right-wing domestic violent extremists and white supremacy and all this stuff.
00:10:19.000And it's like, well, hey, when it happens the other way, can we not at least get a little bit of anger, upset?
00:10:26.000Can people not say, hey, this is wrong?
00:10:33.000Could people stop this hysterical, you know, we have this incipient white nationalist MAGA uprising militias.
00:10:42.000Yeah, and Elon O'Mar, ABClomachar, I'm sure they were very quiet on this.
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00:12:49.000We need to get our things in a row, our ducks in a row heading into November.
00:12:53.000One of those things is regime change at the RNC.
00:12:55.000But there's a long list of other stuff that needs to happen.
00:12:59.000I am hopeful that this is finally sorting itself out.
00:13:03.000I think what you said is really key, and that's that, you know, the base is going to get really excited when Rana steps aside, which all indications seem to indicate that she's going to.
00:13:12.000But we have to remember that's just one of probably 100 things that follow after that that are critical to 2024.
00:13:19.000So, you know, caution to the base, caution to the audience.
00:13:22.000Don't, you know, yes, it's a good change.
00:13:24.000It's great to hear that Donald Trump is signaling that change needs to happen.
00:13:28.000But then we need to start fixating on, you know, who's going to replace her, who's going to be the co-chair.
00:13:34.000Are these people going to represent the voice of the base?
00:13:37.000And then at that point, you know, it's critical because the base has turned off the donations for the RNC.
00:13:43.000So we want people in places of power that inspire the grassroots, that get small dollar donors back in place, and that really are willing to champion the get-out-the-vote efforts of Turning Point Action and other groups.
00:13:56.000So, you know, you've been really consistent.
00:13:58.000You've never made this a personal thing about Rana.
00:15:26.000Adam Laxalt in Nevada, Herschel Walker in Georgia, things where marginal infrastructure could have made a big difference.
00:15:31.000Yeah, it's just if, you know, if she were winning a ton and still close with the establishment, we could accept that.
00:15:36.000If she were totally on our side in every way and maybe left something on the table, that would not be ideal, but we would at least sympathize more.
00:15:44.000But it's the sense of being both that's really infuriating, but it's definitely the losing above all.
00:16:40.000And if this ends up happening, which it looks like it will, and President Trump is angling and signaling towards that, because Trump wants to win.
00:16:46.000Trump is a once in a 100-year political force.
00:16:50.000He's unlike anybody we have ever seen.
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00:19:01.000And so, yeah, we have about 500,000 people who visit about, you know, five or six times each and they click on multiple pages while they're there.
00:19:33.000So he's going down, but is, you know, is Matt Drudge still at the Drudge Report?
00:19:39.000Yeah, that's the question, Citizen Kane.
00:19:41.000Is he still the mastermind behind Drudge?
00:19:44.000Well, I can actually provide a pretty definitive answer here.
00:19:48.000And it's not an answer that people usually like to hear.
00:19:50.000But yes, Matt Drudge is still running that site every single day.
00:19:54.000And I know that for a fact because of, I can't really say the journalist's name, but there's a journalist who publishes in conservative media who sent me some screenshots that he had with emails with Matt.
00:20:06.000And Matt, he asked Matt to publish a story by email.
00:20:10.000And the next morning it was on Drudge Report.
00:20:13.000So if he, you know, he has a couple of editors, but the evidence seems to show that Drudge is the Drudge is still there.
00:20:20.000And, you know, look, he's still linking to some occasional conservative sites, some of his favorites.
00:20:26.000He linked to Free Break, Free Beacon in the last week.
00:20:46.000I mean, this calendar year, this political cycle, you might surpass Drudge Report, which, I mean, in media blank, that is like that for non- When I was at the Daily Caller writing for them, a colossal amount of our traffic just was get your article on the Drudge Report.
00:21:06.000It was, you would get an email in the work inbox whenever it happened because it was so important to traffic.
00:21:12.000It was a make or break thing for the company, wasn't it?
00:21:43.000I've heard that from multiple journalists who have had links on CFP and had links on Drudge that say that just his, you know, the click-through rate has really fallen.
00:21:52.000Back to the point of me being in an office.
00:21:56.000You know, as well as anyone, I just worked 16 hours a day and do this till two or three o'clock in the morning every single day for seven years.
00:22:06.000I think it's the only way I thought at the beginning that that was the only way to compete with Drudge was just to provide a lot more content.
00:22:41.000Kane, you and I had this really important conversation.
00:22:44.000I know you remember it about a year ago where, you know, it was like one o'clock in the morning and you said, Charlie, I'm just, I can't, I can't go to sleep because I just can't keep on thinking about how they're going to indict Donald Trump.
00:22:53.000Kane, about a year later, it seems as if Trump has dodged and weaved some of the most pernicious lawfare attacks.
00:23:03.000Well, first, I want to add a little color to that.
00:23:06.000You know, so it was actually 3 a.m. I was still awake working and I was thinking, now, who could possibly still be awake right now and would want to talk about this?
00:23:15.000And I immediately thought of you because you're in a different time zone.
00:23:18.000I thought maybe he's still awake at midnight.
00:23:20.000So yeah, you and I have been have been game, you know, wargaming this for a while.
00:23:29.000You know, he's been very, very successful.
00:23:31.000So let's sort of get to how that, you know, the DC appeals court decision plays into this dodging and weaving.
00:23:39.000You know, I defer to Jonathan Turley on all of this stuff, and he's put out some important tweets, which I have in the stack at CFP, where he said that basically, okay, we know the DC appeals court put a February 12th deadline.
00:23:53.000They're basically trying to speed things along.
00:23:55.000They said we will stay our decision until February 12th to allow Trump. to appeal this to the Supreme Court.
00:24:02.000The reason they're doing that is they're trying to expedite it because according to Jonathan Turley, Trump actually has 45 days from the day of the ruling to request an on-bonk hearing from the DC appeals court.
00:24:17.000So to quickly explain to people, today's ruling was from three judges on the DC appeals court.
00:24:24.000The full DC appeal, Trump can request that the full court make a ruling.
00:24:29.000So he has 45 days that he can delay before asking for that.
00:24:33.000Then it's likely we don't know how long it would take the full court to decide, but they would probably decide against him.
00:24:41.000And then, according to Jonathan Turley, Trump has another 90 days before he has to appeal it to the Supreme Court.
00:24:48.000So according to Turley, Trump has 135 days from today unless Jack Smith is able to expedite it.
00:24:58.000And that's where things get a little bit complicated.
00:25:01.000But, you know, so I'll sort of leave that one to the side.
00:25:03.000So in other words, Trump has 145 days, excuse me, 135 days that he can delay it.
00:25:10.000And then the trial would just sort of begin again in terms of the motions.
00:25:15.000So according to Turley, Trump, after that 135 days, would have a couple of months pre-trial.
00:25:22.000So he thinks that Trump will be able to sort of push this into that August, September zone, which would be within 90 days of the election and would violate DOJ policy.
00:25:33.000So I'll throw it back to you with that.
00:25:36.000Blake, we say DOJ policy, but there's been a lot of traditions, norms, policies that have been thrown out because Trump has driven people so insane.
00:25:46.000In the past, it would have been unthinkable to bring what is at minimum a novel criminal charge against Trump.
00:25:53.000One thing with maybe Mar-a-Lago or something, but with this January 6th stuff, it's a completely untested theory.
00:26:00.000No one's ever been prosecuted for this sort of thing.
00:26:03.000They're demanding a change in how we interpret First Amendment jurisprudence.
00:26:34.000And let's not forget there's one more angle to this, which is the obstruction of an official proceeding.
00:26:40.000As we know, the Supreme Court agreed to take up that case, which affects over 300 J6 defendants and also affects two of the four charges against Trump being brought by Jack Smith.
00:26:51.000So I've read Turley's analysis of this and others.
00:26:54.000They're saying that we shouldn't expect a Supreme Court decision on that obstruction charge until June.
00:27:02.000So that's another avenue that the Trump team has to delay this because they can say, look, Judge Chutkin, two of the four charges being brought against us are very possibly going to be tossed out by the Supreme Court here in June.
00:27:15.000So let's not waste time doing motions on these charges that won't even be in there.
00:27:19.000So that's another angle I wanted to add.
00:27:21.000Yeah, that's so Kane, just if your best guess, and you are so clairvoyant on these things.
00:27:38.000And that's taking into account all the different trials.
00:27:41.000I'm going to say that Fannie Willis will be, I'm going to go ahead and predict that she is going to be removed because Georgia has a very, very tough conflict of interest law.
00:27:52.000So as she has already made public last week, if her prosecute prosecuting team is removed from the Fulton County case, that will delay that trial three or four months.
00:28:03.000So that pushes that one after the election.
00:28:08.000So no, I'm going to say Trump won't, but I'll say this.
00:28:11.000If they do convict him, if they're, if Trump goes to prison or it is, well, he won't because he'll stay out on appeal, but it's going to be a Nelson Mandela effect.
00:28:22.000I'm convinced after watching for six months how Trump's numbers have risen with each indictment.
00:28:28.000I'm convinced that if they did the ultimate step and convicted him and were waiting for sentencing, I think that would probably help him with independence.
00:28:38.000Yeah, I think the Nelson Mandela effect is super interesting.
00:28:51.000The more he stands up to every force that goes against him, it makes him seem like it's Trump against the world.
00:28:56.000Yeah, very few people are like that, by the way.
00:28:59.000Very few people are able to use, are able to use opposition, use force that is applied, and it actually strengthens the fibers of their political or cultural power.
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00:30:18.000So the Trump-Biden thing, it's so funny to me that I've, you know, I've been hearing some reports from people who've talked with lawmakers in D.C. and similar reports.
00:30:27.000It's always framed like the DNC, like there's some sort of central council that will take action on this.
00:30:35.000And everything I'm hearing is just, it's chaotic.
00:30:37.000Everyone's hoping someone else will make Trump go away for them.
00:30:41.000And so the thing about replacing Biden is, well, Biden actually is the one in charge.
00:31:42.000They're paying for much of it in ways they might not fully yet perceive.
00:31:47.000All right, Kane, I want your thoughts here.
00:31:49.000Now, this is, it's going to be interesting.
00:31:52.000If you kind of go through the list of the most watched interviews in the history of television, there's the Michael Jackson Oprah Winfrey had 90 million views.
00:32:02.000Monica Lewinsky and Barbara Walters, 70 million views.
00:32:06.000I don't want to get ahead of myself, Kane.
00:32:08.000I think that the Tucker Putin interview might be the most watched interview in the history of the species.
00:32:14.000It's probably, you know, given the reach that Tucker has on Twitter, I don't think that is, I think that's probably a smart bet.
00:32:23.000It's astonishing, you know, the pages, the rumor pages have been going crazy these last two days following Tucker around Russia and Moscow citizens have been excited and I'm looking forward to it.
00:32:38.000The last one I can remember, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Megan Kelly going to Moscow to interview Putin since I launched the site.
00:33:23.000He's always, you know, loved the idea that countries can do their own thing and we can look to other countries for ideas on how to do it.
00:33:31.000It's kind of so funny that the idea is conservatives are closed-minded or they're very focused on their own country that, you know, in compared to globalists who take in the whole expanse of humanity.
00:33:43.000But it really is that nationalists look to other nations for ideas and globalists are the ones who say like, oh, don't, don't look abroad.
00:33:52.000Kane, any final thoughts on this as we wrap up?
00:33:54.000Yeah, I thought that was a great point by Blake.
00:33:58.000It's, you know, Tucker, if I'm older than both you guys, you know, I've been watching Tucker since CrossFire on CNN, I don't know, 25 years ago.
00:34:07.000The guy has always been sort of on a thirst for knowledge.
00:34:13.000And he has, you know, his views are not typical.
00:34:18.000Tucker holds views that have often been outside the mainstream, even of conservative thought.
00:34:42.000And it was really, I mean, I don't want to get too deep in the weeds here, but it was all about the threat of NATO taking, you know, taking in Ukraine.
00:34:54.000That was something that Putin wouldn't stand for, just like we wouldn't stand for Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba, 90 miles from our shores.
00:35:01.000So I really, really am looking forward to that interview.
00:35:04.000And I'll throw it back to you with that.