The Charlie Kirk Show - It's Okay to Be White

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:02.000 It's okay to be white. 0.98

00:00:06.000 If that sentiment bothers you, then you have been programmed to hate yourself as a white person.

00:00:13.000 We talk about this with an incredible professor, Dr. Hill from DePaul University of all places, author of a very important book that I encourage all of you to check out.

00:00:23.000 Very well written, very scholarly.

00:00:26.000 What do white Americans owe black people?

00:00:29.000 by Dr. Hill.

00:00:31.000 There is an anti-white campaign that has been launched against America. 0.97

00:00:36.000 Dr. Hill makes an argument in this episode that there is an agenda to annihilate the white race. 0.96

00:00:44.000 That is quite an argument.

00:00:45.000 I push him on it, and honestly, he defends it really well.

00:00:48.000 We also have Dean Kane, who joins us to talk about his new book, Paul's Promise.

00:00:53.000 As always, you can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com, and get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com.

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00:01:17.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:19.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:01:27.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:28.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:29.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:38.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:02:02.000 Joining us now is Dean Kane, great American, and someone I have a lot of respect for, who's in a new movie called Paul's Promise.

00:02:10.000 Dean, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show and tell us about the movie.

00:02:13.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:02:14.000 Always happy to be on with you.

00:02:15.000 It looks like we're both in hotel rooms.

00:02:17.000 So we're both working.

00:02:19.000 The movie Paul's Promise is it's really kind of an anti-racist film, is really what it is.

00:02:23.000 It's a story of a guy back in the civil rights era who grew up with a white kid and his best friend was a black kid.

00:02:30.000 And they grew up best friends.

00:02:32.000 And through social pressures and things, the white kid basically turned his back on his black friend.

00:02:39.000 And through prayer and some church time and some real understanding, he goes on to do the exact opposite in his life.

00:02:47.000 It's based on a real story.

00:02:48.000 And he becomes this founder of one of the first integrated churches in the South.

00:02:51.000 And to this day, still feeds and clothes and provides counseling and church services for tons and tons of people.

00:03:02.000 So he turned his life around completely.

00:03:05.000 What do you think are some of the lessons that we can take from this film and apply it to today's America?

00:03:10.000 Well, you know, one of the big ones is this, and it's so simple.

00:03:14.000 He's like, look, it's never too late to change your heart.

00:03:17.000 You know, this guy, Paul, was a terrible guy.

00:03:18.000 He wasn't doing good things.

00:03:19.000 He was drinking.

00:03:20.000 It caused him trouble.

00:03:20.000 It was a bad husband.

00:03:21.000 He was a bad, I play a fire captain.

00:03:23.000 He was a pretty good fireman, but he had all kinds of problems throughout his life.

00:03:29.000 And he was not young.

00:03:30.000 And then he changed his heart.

00:03:32.000 So it's never too late to change your heart and do good for others.

00:03:34.000 And that's really a big portion of what this film is about.

00:03:39.000 So it's Paul's Promise.

00:03:40.000 You guys can check it out at PaulspromiseMovie.com.

00:03:43.000 A very inspirational and important story about the true story of Paul Holderfield, a former racist firefighter, turned pastor who started one of the first integrated churches in the American South.

00:03:57.000 It's one man's journey to hope and heal during what some would say is a troubled time in our nation's history.

00:04:04.000 And so, uh, so, Dean, I want to talk about there's a lot of things I want to talk about, but I want to ask about this recent post by um Susan Sarandon.

00:04:14.000 I don't know if you saw it or not, but she basically posted this whole thing about the homeless stuff.

00:04:19.000 Uh, well, about uh, I think it was about calling basically Republicans the moral equivalent to Nazis.

00:04:26.000 Do we have the post, guys?

00:04:27.000 Can we do that?

00:04:28.000 We then got Gina Carano, Gina Carano fired, but she's able to do that. 1.00

00:04:33.000 What's your general thoughts on just Hollywood being liberal, far left-wing, out of the mainstream?

00:04:40.000 Tell us from your perspective, please, please elaborate on that.

00:04:43.000 Well, I mean, that right there, that's a perfect example.

00:04:48.000 Gina Carano did get fired for that, and Gina is fantastic. 1.00

00:04:52.000 And I know Gina, and she'll listen to someone else's perspective and point of view.

00:04:55.000 So, the fact that Susan Sarandon can post that and have no issues whatsoever. 0.83

00:05:00.000 In fact, it's just sort of you know, it's okay.

00:05:03.000 Gina wasn't even, you know, didn't even say it's Democrats doing it.

00:05:06.000 But I, what the point is, this, I believe in free speech, and I don't believe in this cancel culture baloney and firing people for making a post.

00:05:14.000 That post has actual real um implications, but I see them completely different than the way that Susan Sarandon sees it.

00:05:21.000 I see it much more on the lines of what Gina Carano says, because I, as a conservative in Hollywood, am told all the time to shut up, to not voice your opinion if it doesn't go with the mainstream.

00:05:33.000 And if it does, you're canceled, you can't work, you can't do anything. 0.96

00:05:36.000 And that's that's completely insane, total hypocrisy, and that's fascist. 0.93

00:05:40.000 Yeah, it's just it's just remarkable. 0.63

00:05:42.000 I mean, as someone who is, you know, very likable and popular, how did you escape kind of the Hollywood snet, like the Hollywood kind of cabal of being left-wing?

00:05:54.000 I mean, what was it for you that made you at least a free thinker, pro-free speech, pro-America?

00:05:59.000 It's very rare.

00:06:01.000 Tell us about that.

00:06:03.000 I have a really strong family, Charlie.

00:06:05.000 I grew up in a really strong family where I was adopted when I was four by my Christopher Kane, who's my dad.

00:06:12.000 He's my father.

00:06:12.000 He's not my biological father, but he raised me.

00:06:14.000 So, I was adopted by him at a young age.

00:06:17.000 My brother, my sister, my mom and dad, we had a real strong family, strong values.

00:06:21.000 And I was an athlete.

00:06:23.000 So, athletics is a complete meritocracy.

00:06:26.000 You have to earn everything.

00:06:28.000 You know, it's not given to you.

00:06:29.000 You have to earn it.

00:06:30.000 You learn how to fall down.

00:06:31.000 You learn how to get up.

00:06:32.000 You learn how to work with others to be a teammate.

00:06:34.000 So, a lot of my who I am comes from being an athlete and being a football player and knowing that I can't do it on my own.

00:06:42.000 I need to lift up my other brothers here so we can all play together.

00:06:47.000 And sometimes we get knocked down.

00:06:48.000 And then, when that happens, we have to work harder and do better.

00:06:51.000 And that's sort of the American dream.

00:06:53.000 I mean, that's really the American values.

00:06:54.000 You work with your family, you work with your team, you're a person of honesty and integrity.

00:06:58.000 These are the things that were sort of beat into me by playing, by playing sports.

00:07:04.000 Also, my dad's from South Dakota.

00:07:06.000 Yeah, well, that helps a lot too.

00:07:08.000 I mean, but yeah, I mean, now, but sports, though, Dean, have become so radical.

00:07:12.000 We have the NHL lecturing us about racial diversity.

00:07:15.000 I mean, the National Basketball Association is increasingly unwatchable.

00:07:19.000 The NFL, I think, has retreated a little bit away because they saw some pretty serious numbers that they didn't like of people that stopped watching.

00:07:27.000 I mean, so, I mean, sports has now become basically infected with this left-wing pathogen, mostly by management.

00:07:35.000 I don't think it's really by the players.

00:07:37.000 And, you know, there kind of is that old adage that politics is downstream from culture.

00:07:42.000 But now, politics is going into culture and is trying to make everything kind of around this new racial regime.

00:07:50.000 What do you make of that and how should we respond?

00:07:53.000 I think it's dead ass wrong.

00:07:55.000 100%.

00:07:57.000 I love that the NFL could do something wonderful for communities.

00:08:02.000 Then do that.

00:08:03.000 But don't lecture people on how they should be and what they should say.

00:08:08.000 And don't pretend you're this corporate woke group that does only good things.

00:08:12.000 You know, the NBA, you know, the players love to bash America, but they'll play in China and not say a word about any of the human rights violations there.

00:08:19.000 It's in it's literally insane.

00:08:21.000 It's embarrassing.

00:08:22.000 And I don't like, you know, I don't like these political messages coming from sports teams management.

00:08:28.000 If an individual wants to have that statement and has that and has that feeling, by all means, you can say what you want to say.

00:08:35.000 But for having, you know, corporate wokeism, having them, you know, tell you what is moral and what is right. 1.00

00:08:42.000 It's when they're total hypocrites, it's stupid. 1.00

00:08:45.000 And I think it needs to end. 1.00

00:08:47.000 And the faster it ends, the happier I'll be.

00:08:50.000 Yeah, it's just, and it's so misaligned with their audience.

00:08:54.000 I mean, their audience doesn't want this.

00:08:58.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, the average NFL viewer is not exactly really excited about the trans stuff.

00:09:08.000 I mean, NASCAR is now lecturing everybody about the trans stuff.

00:09:12.000 I mean, I've been to a couple NASCAR events before.

00:09:14.000 I don't know if I'll ever return.

00:09:16.000 Not exactly my thing, to be honest, but it's really interesting.

00:09:20.000 And I actually think it takes a lot more talent than people give credit for for all the racers and for everyone involved.

00:09:25.000 It's really amazing to see.

00:09:27.000 But that's a pretty traditional, conservative audience. 0.94

00:09:30.000 And NASCAR is lecturing about all this trans stuff and this gay stuff, and the gay flag is everywhere.

00:09:36.000 At some point, Dean, isn't this unsustainable where you're trying to impose values and impose very radical ideas on a population that doesn't want them?

00:09:45.000 It's completely unsustainable.

00:09:47.000 It makes no sense whatsoever.

00:09:49.000 And I don't, it makes me wonder where it's that, you know, that government ESG baloney that is an absolute joke.

00:09:54.000 It's even like when everybody has a diversity and an inclusion and equity person, I won't say diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:10:01.000 I say diversity, inclusion, equity, because those words spell out die. 0.78

00:10:06.000 Die.

00:10:08.000 That's what it is. 0.97

00:10:09.000 That's right. 0.99

00:10:10.000 It's completely ridiculous. 0.72

00:10:12.000 I think if you did a poll and said, what would you guys rather do here at NASCAR event? 0.94

00:10:16.000 Would you like to be lectured on trans rights, or would you like to watch Ricky Bobby?

00:10:25.000 I think we know where they go.

00:10:27.000 Yeah, I think we would know that.

00:10:30.000 And if you're not first, you're last.

00:10:31.000 I think that would be their answer.

00:10:33.000 So, Dean, great job as always.

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00:10:36.000 It's a very good film.

00:10:37.000 Check it out.

00:10:38.000 There's not enough good films out there.

00:10:40.000 Family friendly, from what I understand.

00:10:42.000 Very important lessons here.

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00:10:46.000 Dean, thanks so much for joining us.

00:10:47.000 Thanks, Charlotte.

00:10:48.000 Keep up the great fight, my friend.

00:10:50.000 Thank you.

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00:12:24.000 The restoration of freedom of speech is possibly going to happen.

00:12:28.000 Elon Musk has said the deal is getting finalized, that the deal is getting closed, that Elon Musk is going to own Twitter by the weekend.

00:12:39.000 Now, Twitter has been a long-standing propaganda venue and forum for quite some time.

00:12:48.000 It has been a place where freedom of speech and dialogue has not been allowed or tolerated.

00:12:55.000 It's a place where fake trends are allowed to happen and shadow bans.

00:12:59.000 The Uniparty, the war machine, the pharmaceutical industrial complex, people like Fauci, Biden, Cammie, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, all of this, all of them rely on censorship.

00:13:16.000 You cannot have a tyrannical country without censorship.

00:13:21.000 It's not sustainable.

00:13:23.000 The backlash to Elon buying Twitter is going to be outrageous and insane.

00:13:28.000 This isn't just about snowflakes and college campus kids that can't stand the side of you saying, calling them a groomer.

00:13:34.000 No, they can't.

00:13:35.000 It's not just that.

00:13:36.000 No, no, no.

00:13:38.000 Censorship and narrative control is central to the regime's control over all of us.

00:13:49.000 They're already labeling Musk a Putin stooge.

00:13:53.000 And so if you're able to have some form of a marketplace of dialogue and ideas, what do you get from 2016 Donald Trump?

00:14:02.000 Remember in 2015 and 2016, there were problems with social media back then, but social media was much more of a wild west than it is today.

00:14:14.000 In 2016, Facebook was largely an open source social media platform.

00:14:20.000 Donald Trump used it.

00:14:21.000 In fact, all the tech titans, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, went on an apology tour, similar to Obama's 2009 apology tour, where they basically like, we're so sorry that our free speech platform allowed Donald Trump to become president.

00:14:41.000 Twitter used to call itself the free speech wing of the free speech party.

00:14:45.000 After 2016, they realized that free speech means that fascists could win, of course, making a joke of the word fascists.

00:14:52.000 And so the left, which used to be the main defenders of freedom of speech all throughout the 60s and 70s and 80s, revealed that free speech is actually not a value for the left.

00:15:03.000 Free speech has always been a means.

00:15:07.000 Free speech was a tool for them.

00:15:10.000 Free speech is not a value, meaning that it's not something that they want to be a sustainable principle to build society around.

00:15:17.000 Free speech was always an ability for them to be able to grow their ranks to then all of a sudden be able to shut up other people eventually because free speech never mattered to them.

00:15:27.000 And so now that Elon Musk owns Twitter, boy, I think they're already doing the major blackmail operation against Elon.

00:15:35.000 I just don't think he cares.

00:15:38.000 I just don't think Elon Musk deeply cares about losing government contracts or Starlight.

00:15:44.000 I just, I think Elon Musk is so, what's the right word I'm looking for?

00:15:49.000 He's so committed to his entrepreneurial endeavors, it just doesn't work for him.

00:15:56.000 He's a bizarre dude in a lot of different ways.

00:15:59.000 I mean that positively, by the way, and God bless him for doing this.

00:16:01.000 It's amazing.

00:16:03.000 Where Elon's incentive is not money.

00:16:09.000 We know that.

00:16:10.000 It doesn't really seem to strike him that he's the world, was the world's richest man or is the world's rich man.

00:16:14.000 It fluctuates based on stock prices.

00:16:16.000 It just seems as if he wants to make the world a better place.

00:16:20.000 I know we have questions about Neuralink and all this other stuff, but at least from my impression, he's not doing this to shut more people up.

00:16:29.000 And the telltale sign of whether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing for freedom and liberty given to us by God is how the regime reacts.

00:16:40.000 Musk is the world's richest man.

00:16:44.000 But if he truly restores some semblance of freedom of speech online, he will go down as a great man of history.

00:16:54.000 I have always said that hierarchies are normative for human beings.

00:17:01.000 You're not going to get rid of hierarchies. 1.00

00:17:03.000 Utopian egalitarianism is a stupid and silly promise. 1.00

00:17:09.000 We're going to get rid of all hot. 1.00

00:17:10.000 No, you're not.

00:17:11.000 Everything works in hierarchies.

00:17:13.000 The question is not whether or not we have elites. 1.00

00:17:16.000 The question is whether or not why are our elites so dumb and corrupt and evil? 0.99

00:17:21.000 The argument is why don't we have better elites? 0.98

00:17:23.000 And Elon Musk is an example of someone who is a better elite using his wealth, his power, his prestige to actually be able to preserve freedom and liberty for people.

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00:18:41.000 I think that there is a really important topic that we're about to dive in here.

00:18:48.000 I think that a lot of people are afraid to talk about this, afraid to talk about race, afraid to talk about, you know, what does it mean to, you know, have reparations and all this nonsense that people are talking about.

00:19:00.000 Well, we have a terrific guest here.

00:19:02.000 It's Professor Hill from DePaul University.

00:19:06.000 And he's the author of several books, including most recently, We Have Overcome, an Immigrant's Letter to the American People, and What Do White Americans Owe Black People? Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Depression.

00:19:17.000 He is also a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horitz Freedom Center and a columnist for several conservative media outlets.

00:19:25.000 Professor Hill joins us right now.

00:19:27.000 Professor, welcome to the program.

00:19:29.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:19:30.000 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:19:32.000 Thank you.

00:19:32.000 Tell us about your latest book and tell us about the main argument you're making and we'll dive into it.

00:19:37.000 Well, the latest book is a book to sort of refute the claims of reparations that have been going on for some time when Gavin Newsome, the governor of California, actually did sign a reparations law into effect.

00:19:49.000 And I just got really sick and tired of hearing the malarkey behind these claims, that is, that Blacks were due reparations on a number of grounds.

00:20:01.000 One is that all the disparities between the races, blacks and whites, were due to racism or due to the residual effects of slavery, or something called white privilege.

00:20:14.000 That is, all persons today who enjoy the privilege of having white skin are in some sense systemic walking practitioners of racism.

00:20:22.000 So I wrote this book to refute, to take quite seriously the reparations argument and to start from the beginning to show that Blacks, Arabs, and whites were colluders in slavery, that slavery could not have happened without blacks kidnapping other Africans and selling them into the slave trade. 0.51

00:20:43.000 And more importantly, to show that the crucibles of Black freedom was fought in the, was forging the crucibles of the actual Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of America, and that the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1972 Employment Act, and the subsequent affirmative action programs, Black studies programs, all were reparative moments, that the debt has been paid, that Blacks enjoy equality before the law.

00:21:11.000 The 1964 Civil Rights Act, I call a eugenical moment in history because it sort of violated property rights and told whites that you can no longer be racist. 0.69

00:21:22.000 So the reparative moments in history have been paid to Blacks. 1.00

00:21:26.000 Reparations are done with.

00:21:29.000 And if Blacks feel that they are discriminated on the basis of race, there is the 1964 Civil Rights Act that they can extensively point to and make their claims in court.

00:21:40.000 But the idea of ancestral blame, blaming white people because they have white skin.

00:21:45.000 And also, Charlie, another fallacious claim is that most of the white people living today did not own slaves.

00:21:53.000 Their ancestors came after the civil rights.

00:21:55.000 So the idea that there are any white people today whose ancestors own slaves is actually fallacious.

00:22:03.000 And it's a pernicious collectivist argument that had to be debunked.

00:22:08.000 So that's what I did in this book, this last book.

00:22:11.000 Well, you're embarking on some very hot button topics that we do our best to navigate, but you do so in a very thoughtful and scholarly way.

00:22:20.000 I do want to zoom in on one of the things that is on your executive summary.

00:22:24.000 I want to re-emphasize the name of the book, What Do White Americans Owe Black People?

00:22:29.000 And so, you know, I get lectured all the time by Black activists on college campuses that I don't know what it's like to be black, that I have to sit down and shut up, that I have white privilege, that I have cis heteronormative colonialist American privilege, and that I will never understand what it's like to be in somebody's shoes as a person of color.

00:22:47.000 And so can you just speak to that a Bit, where does that come from?

00:22:50.000 Where does that kind of line of reasoning or lack of reasoning or argumentation stem from?

00:22:56.000 When someone says, You don't know what it's like to be in my shoes, you can't speak out about this.

00:23:01.000 You don't have a right to have an opinion because you're not a marginalized and oppressed group.

00:23:05.000 Where does that come from, and why is it so dangerous?

00:23:09.000 Well, it comes from a cult of victimology.

00:23:11.000 It says that if you're black, that you are, or if you're part of a group that has immutable traits that have been marked out, that has marked you as a victim when you're no longer a victim because we're no longer living in a systemic racist society and we're no longer living in a white supremacy society, but who still have bought into the cult of victimology and are intending to use white guilt as a way of silencing white people from standing up and defending themselves.

00:23:39.000 Um, are using what it's called in philosophy standpoint epistemology: that is, I'm a black person, I'm a victim, and therefore, because I am a victim, I am stamped within premature of permanent innocence and I have iconic status. 0.90

00:23:55.000 And because you are a person bearing white skin, you are an oppressor, and because you're an oppressor, I'm going to put you in a teachable moment and teach you everything that your ancestors and you, as a person bearing white skin, are conferring on me that you need to shut up and listen to me. 0.99

00:24:14.000 This is a very, very nefarious move on the part of Black activists who have like taught people like Ibram Kennedy, Tom Hussey Colts, and his followers and their followers who have utilized the cult of victimology and the concomitant sense of innocence, permanent innocence, and the iconic status of sainthood that comes with it to try to get white people to feel guilty for being white. 0.96

00:24:42.000 It is very dangerous, first of all, because it's just plain.

00:24:47.000 It also assumed a sort of heterogeneous homogeneity among black people that all black people think of themselves as victims.

00:24:54.000 And more importantly, Charlie, it expropriates the agency of Black people who do, such as myself, who do not consider themselves victims.

00:25:02.000 And despite obstacles that might present themselves to us, we live in the greatest, the most moral, and the freest country on earth in which there are no obstacles which we cannot use our agency to overcome.

00:25:16.000 So it tells Black people that because you are Black, that you have to develop an adversarial position towards all white people, most of whom are good people who want to see Black people flourish in the world, and that you must develop an adversarial position.

00:25:30.000 This is what's dangerous about it. 0.89

00:25:31.000 You must develop an adversarial position towards them.

00:25:34.000 When I think the majority of white people want to see Black people flourish, want to see their fellow Americans flourish.

00:25:40.000 As someone who came to America at the age of 20, one of the things that really I found remarkable about Americans was that there was no bitterness among no sense of envy.

00:25:50.000 They love to see Americans like to see other Americans flourish and be successful.

00:25:55.000 That's exactly right.

00:25:56.000 And that's what's very, very dangerous.

00:26:01.000 Yeah, that's so well said.

00:26:03.000 And so, so, Professor, let me ask you: I was accused at the University of Texas Austin at a turning point USA event of being, let's say, engaging in whiteness colonialist culture by having conversation.

00:26:18.000 And this is very similar to what the African American Historical Museum, History Museum, from the Smithsonian said back in the summer of 2020, where they said, being on time, having debate, having dialogue, doing math and science, those are characteristics of whiteness.

00:26:38.000 And when I say that, a lot of people are so shocked to hear, like, what do you mean they're symptoms of whiteness?

00:26:44.000 Where does that come from?

00:26:45.000 What does whiteness even mean?

00:26:48.000 And how is that not outright bigoted?

00:26:51.000 It's bigoted.

00:26:52.000 And it's also a sense of look, this is part of a larger group of people who suffer from or are guilty of America phobia, who want to equate bourgeois middle-class values, which are actually universal values, excellence, punctuality, grit, tenacity, honor.

00:27:12.000 all universal values which people pin their aspirational identities on as somehow being symptomatic or emblematic of whiteness and to abolish this.

00:27:22.000 This is part of a larger movement to use it's to use the idea of whiteness as being as encompassing these traits in order to really, I'm not a conspiracy conspiracy theorist here, but it's really to abolish the United States as we know it, to change the DNA of this country and to annihilate it. 0.75

00:27:45.000 It's a symptom of systemic nihilism that we are witnessing in this country in order to usher in something like a socialist agenda. 0.95

00:27:55.000 Look, if you can abolish punctuality, if you can abolish excellence, if you can abolish perseverance, if you can pin all these things on white people and whiteness and show that white people are evil imperialist races and that these traits are the constructs of races which must be annihilated, then you are destroying the United States of America. 0.92

00:28:17.000 And why are you destroying the United States of America? 0.84

00:28:19.000 You're destroying America because like Casio-Cortez and these other social ballasts and these nihilists, you want to usher in, you want to cripple people, you want to paralyze them, shut them down in order to bring in a socialist communist regime.

00:28:35.000 It's people who are out to destroy America by taking universal values that all persons, rational persons, aspire to.

00:28:44.000 Cast aspersions on them as a creation of white people. 0.97

00:28:48.000 Abolish, by the way, abolish whiteness, which is nothing more than the annihilation of the white race, which is part of part of the black agenda, the nefarious part of the darker side of the civil rights movement, which we see rearing its ugly head today. 0.96

00:29:04.000 I mean, we saw Jesse Jackson in 1988 talking about, I remember as a student, Ho Ho, Western Civil has got to go, part of that abolishing of Western civilization, including the abolishment of the Caucasian race. 0.96

00:29:19.000 And this is where it comes from.

00:29:20.000 And it's quite ugly.

00:29:21.000 And all rational persons, all American-loving persons, all humanists, people who love the human race, have got to fight against it.

00:29:30.000 It's very un-American. 0.93

00:29:32.000 The book is What Do White Americans Owe Black People?

00:29:36.000 Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Oppression.

00:29:40.000 I'm certainly enjoying this conversation.

00:29:41.000 We're going to need to have you back on in addition to the next segment we have because this is very important.

00:29:47.000 And there is an agenda behind this to bring in a socialist Marxist regime.

00:29:51.000 It's all about power.

00:29:52.000 And they use race as a conduit to accomplish their objectives.

00:29:59.000 They use race as a way to be able to destabilize Western society. 0.93

00:30:04.000 It is Dr. Hill from DePaul University of all places.

00:30:07.000 And if we have time, I got to ask Dr. Hill how on earth he still has a job at DePaul University is beyond me, but congratulations.

00:30:15.000 And this book is really important.

00:30:17.000 Again, the book is called What Do White Americans Owe Black People by Jason D. Hill.

00:30:23.000 You said that one of the aims and ambitions could potentially be the abolition of the white race. 0.99

00:30:29.000 Can you elaborate on that and support that further?

00:30:31.000 Because that's quite a claim.

00:30:32.000 It's a claim that I make in the book.

00:30:34.000 And I go to great lengths to show that there are three disciplines in academia today.

00:30:40.000 One is called critical white studies.

00:30:42.000 The other one is called Afro-pessimism.

00:30:44.000 And the other one is called Black Nihilism. 0.96

00:30:47.000 And they're headed by people such as Calvin Warren, Frank Wilderson, along with critical race theory that actually argue the point quite clearly that black existence and the longevity of the black race is incompatible with white people. 0.76

00:31:03.000 Some of them use the euphemistic term that we must abolish whiteness, but others go much farther than that and say that only the annihilation of the white race, only with the annihilation of the white race, can black people continue their existence.

00:31:19.000 And these are academic disciplines, the three academic disciplines being critical race theory, the third iteration of critical race theory, Afro-pessimism, and black nihilism. 0.74

00:31:30.000 And it's stated in my book, I lay out the foundations, the arguments, long quotations from these people, from Frank Wilderson's book called Afro-Pessimism, in which the annihilation of Black of whiteness and the annihilation of the white race is spelt out very clearly as a precondition for the existence, a continued existence of Black people. 0.81

00:31:56.000 By the way, the main connoisseurs of these works are middle-class privileged white students who go about mouth-mouthing this kind of malarchy, I must say.

00:32:09.000 Well, that is a phenomenal summary.

00:32:11.000 So, Dr. Hill, let me ask you as we close our conversation here, and again, the book, I just keep on plugging it, what do white Americans owe Black People?

00:32:19.000 How should white Americans in our audience respond to being called racist incessantly?

00:32:26.000 What is the right response for a white American to engage in the American racial conversation? 0.98

00:32:32.000 First of all, to stop apologizing for the fact that you're white. 0.88

00:32:35.000 There's nothing. 0.99

00:32:36.000 Look, if this were turned on black people, this would be so horrific. 1.00

00:32:40.000 Stop apologizing with the fact that you're white. 1.00

00:32:43.000 You have an immutable characteristic that is white-skinned. 1.00

00:32:45.000 And what the hell are you supposed to do about it? 0.99

00:32:47.000 Annihilate yourself? 0.87

00:32:48.000 No.

00:32:49.000 To stand up courageously and say that you don't need to be taught anything, that you are a free-thinking American, and to actually adduce yourself as evidence that you're not racist, that you have never in your life inflicted maliciously without provocation harm against a white person, and that you're not going to be put in some sort of obsequious,

00:33:11.000 psychophantic position of listening to anyone tell you how you should live your life, when you should listen to someone, and just be very, very courageous and unapologetic.

00:33:22.000 And you'll be very surprised at how your opponents, your adversaries, will back down because what they're really relying on is a sense of decorum and protocol on your part to stand up and take this kind of racial abuse.

00:33:36.000 So I say, be courageous.

00:33:37.000 Don't stop being apologetic for the fact that you're white. 0.82

00:33:41.000 You can no more apologize for that fact any more than I can for the fact that I'm Caribbean, not a protein-American patriotic citizen, as patriotic as anyone.

00:33:51.000 And stand your ground, adduce yourself as evidence of the fact that you're not racist by the fact that you have never harmed a person of color.

00:33:59.000 And expose the malarchy and the logical infelicities behind these woe supremacists who want to use their race as some badge of superiority, moral superiority, and expose them for the racists that they really are, the inverse racists that they are.

00:34:24.000 Yes, that's what they are.

00:34:25.000 That's exactly right, Dr. Hill.

00:34:26.000 No, that's right.

00:34:28.000 We're out of time, Dr. Hill.

00:34:29.000 I want to just thank you for joining us.

00:34:31.000 I really enjoyed this.

00:34:33.000 Goodness.

00:34:33.000 Jason D. Hill, author of What Do White Americans Owe Black People? Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Oppression.

00:34:40.000 Check it out.

00:34:41.000 Dr. Hill, we're going to have you back on and maybe in person to have an even deeper conversation on this.

00:34:47.000 You gave one of the most courageous and thoughtful and factual and scholarly answers.

00:34:52.000 You didn't dodge my questions, which I appreciate.

00:34:54.000 Usually around this topic, people run for the Hills.

00:34:57.000 So God bless you for that.

00:34:57.000 Dr. Hill, thank you so much.

00:34:59.000 We'll have to rejoin this conversation soon.

00:35:01.000 Thank you for having me, Charlie.

00:35:02.000 I really enjoyed it.

00:35:04.000 Thank you.

00:35:06.000 Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:09.000 Do you hear that?

00:35:09.000 It's okay to be white.

00:35:11.000 You're not even allowed to say that out loud anymore, but he said it and he's right. 1.00

00:35:15.000 It's ridiculous what is going on in our country right now with the plague and the pathogen of anti-whiteness that is happening.

00:35:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:23.000 Email me as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:26.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:35:27.000 God bless.

00:35:30.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 26, 2022

It's Okay to Be White

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