00:00:06.000If that sentiment bothers you, then you have been programmed to hate yourself as a white person.
00:00:13.000We talk about this with an incredible professor, Dr. Hill from DePaul University of all places, author of a very important book that I encourage all of you to check out.
00:01:29.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:38.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:04:04.000And so, uh, so, Dean, I want to talk about there's a lot of things I want to talk about, but I want to ask about this recent post by um Susan Sarandon.
00:04:14.000I don't know if you saw it or not, but she basically posted this whole thing about the homeless stuff.
00:04:19.000Uh, well, about uh, I think it was about calling basically Republicans the moral equivalent to Nazis.
00:04:28.000We then got Gina Carano, Gina Carano fired, but she's able to do that.
00:04:33.000What's your general thoughts on just Hollywood being liberal, far left-wing, out of the mainstream?
00:04:40.000Tell us from your perspective, please, please elaborate on that.
00:04:43.000Well, I mean, that right there, that's a perfect example.
00:04:48.000Gina Carano did get fired for that, and Gina is fantastic.
00:04:52.000And I know Gina, and she'll listen to someone else's perspective and point of view.
00:04:55.000So, the fact that Susan Sarandon can post that and have no issues whatsoever.
00:05:00.000In fact, it's just sort of you know, it's okay.
00:05:03.000Gina wasn't even, you know, didn't even say it's Democrats doing it.
00:05:06.000But I, what the point is, this, I believe in free speech, and I don't believe in this cancel culture baloney and firing people for making a post.
00:05:14.000That post has actual real um implications, but I see them completely different than the way that Susan Sarandon sees it.
00:05:21.000I see it much more on the lines of what Gina Carano says, because I, as a conservative in Hollywood, am told all the time to shut up, to not voice your opinion if it doesn't go with the mainstream.
00:05:33.000And if it does, you're canceled, you can't work, you can't do anything.
00:05:36.000And that's that's completely insane, total hypocrisy, and that's fascist.
00:05:42.000I mean, as someone who is, you know, very likable and popular, how did you escape kind of the Hollywood snet, like the Hollywood kind of cabal of being left-wing?
00:05:54.000I mean, what was it for you that made you at least a free thinker, pro-free speech, pro-America?
00:07:08.000I mean, but yeah, I mean, now, but sports, though, Dean, have become so radical.
00:07:12.000We have the NHL lecturing us about racial diversity.
00:07:15.000I mean, the National Basketball Association is increasingly unwatchable.
00:07:19.000The NFL, I think, has retreated a little bit away because they saw some pretty serious numbers that they didn't like of people that stopped watching.
00:07:27.000I mean, so, I mean, sports has now become basically infected with this left-wing pathogen, mostly by management.
00:07:35.000I don't think it's really by the players.
00:07:37.000And, you know, there kind of is that old adage that politics is downstream from culture.
00:07:42.000But now, politics is going into culture and is trying to make everything kind of around this new racial regime.
00:07:50.000What do you make of that and how should we respond?
00:08:03.000But don't lecture people on how they should be and what they should say.
00:08:08.000And don't pretend you're this corporate woke group that does only good things.
00:08:12.000You know, the NBA, you know, the players love to bash America, but they'll play in China and not say a word about any of the human rights violations there.
00:09:27.000But that's a pretty traditional, conservative audience.
00:09:30.000And NASCAR is lecturing about all this trans stuff and this gay stuff, and the gay flag is everywhere.
00:09:36.000At some point, Dean, isn't this unsustainable where you're trying to impose values and impose very radical ideas on a population that doesn't want them?
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00:12:24.000The restoration of freedom of speech is possibly going to happen.
00:12:28.000Elon Musk has said the deal is getting finalized, that the deal is getting closed, that Elon Musk is going to own Twitter by the weekend.
00:12:39.000Now, Twitter has been a long-standing propaganda venue and forum for quite some time.
00:12:48.000It has been a place where freedom of speech and dialogue has not been allowed or tolerated.
00:12:55.000It's a place where fake trends are allowed to happen and shadow bans.
00:12:59.000The Uniparty, the war machine, the pharmaceutical industrial complex, people like Fauci, Biden, Cammie, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, all of this, all of them rely on censorship.
00:13:16.000You cannot have a tyrannical country without censorship.
00:13:38.000Censorship and narrative control is central to the regime's control over all of us.
00:13:49.000They're already labeling Musk a Putin stooge.
00:13:53.000And so if you're able to have some form of a marketplace of dialogue and ideas, what do you get from 2016 Donald Trump?
00:14:02.000Remember in 2015 and 2016, there were problems with social media back then, but social media was much more of a wild west than it is today.
00:14:14.000In 2016, Facebook was largely an open source social media platform.
00:14:21.000In fact, all the tech titans, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, went on an apology tour, similar to Obama's 2009 apology tour, where they basically like, we're so sorry that our free speech platform allowed Donald Trump to become president.
00:14:41.000Twitter used to call itself the free speech wing of the free speech party.
00:14:45.000After 2016, they realized that free speech means that fascists could win, of course, making a joke of the word fascists.
00:14:52.000And so the left, which used to be the main defenders of freedom of speech all throughout the 60s and 70s and 80s, revealed that free speech is actually not a value for the left.
00:15:10.000Free speech is not a value, meaning that it's not something that they want to be a sustainable principle to build society around.
00:15:17.000Free speech was always an ability for them to be able to grow their ranks to then all of a sudden be able to shut up other people eventually because free speech never mattered to them.
00:15:27.000And so now that Elon Musk owns Twitter, boy, I think they're already doing the major blackmail operation against Elon.
00:16:16.000It just seems as if he wants to make the world a better place.
00:16:20.000I know we have questions about Neuralink and all this other stuff, but at least from my impression, he's not doing this to shut more people up.
00:16:29.000And the telltale sign of whether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing for freedom and liberty given to us by God is how the regime reacts.
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00:18:41.000I think that there is a really important topic that we're about to dive in here.
00:18:48.000I think that a lot of people are afraid to talk about this, afraid to talk about race, afraid to talk about, you know, what does it mean to, you know, have reparations and all this nonsense that people are talking about.
00:19:02.000It's Professor Hill from DePaul University.
00:19:06.000And he's the author of several books, including most recently, We Have Overcome, an Immigrant's Letter to the American People, and What Do White Americans Owe Black People? Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Depression.
00:19:17.000He is also a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horitz Freedom Center and a columnist for several conservative media outlets.
00:19:32.000Tell us about your latest book and tell us about the main argument you're making and we'll dive into it.
00:19:37.000Well, the latest book is a book to sort of refute the claims of reparations that have been going on for some time when Gavin Newsome, the governor of California, actually did sign a reparations law into effect.
00:19:49.000And I just got really sick and tired of hearing the malarkey behind these claims, that is, that Blacks were due reparations on a number of grounds.
00:20:01.000One is that all the disparities between the races, blacks and whites, were due to racism or due to the residual effects of slavery, or something called white privilege.
00:20:14.000That is, all persons today who enjoy the privilege of having white skin are in some sense systemic walking practitioners of racism.
00:20:22.000So I wrote this book to refute, to take quite seriously the reparations argument and to start from the beginning to show that Blacks, Arabs, and whites were colluders in slavery, that slavery could not have happened without blacks kidnapping other Africans and selling them into the slave trade.
00:20:43.000And more importantly, to show that the crucibles of Black freedom was fought in the, was forging the crucibles of the actual Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of America, and that the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1972 Employment Act, and the subsequent affirmative action programs, Black studies programs, all were reparative moments, that the debt has been paid, that Blacks enjoy equality before the law.
00:21:11.000The 1964 Civil Rights Act, I call a eugenical moment in history because it sort of violated property rights and told whites that you can no longer be racist.
00:21:22.000So the reparative moments in history have been paid to Blacks.
00:21:29.000And if Blacks feel that they are discriminated on the basis of race, there is the 1964 Civil Rights Act that they can extensively point to and make their claims in court.
00:21:40.000But the idea of ancestral blame, blaming white people because they have white skin.
00:21:45.000And also, Charlie, another fallacious claim is that most of the white people living today did not own slaves.
00:21:53.000Their ancestors came after the civil rights.
00:21:55.000So the idea that there are any white people today whose ancestors own slaves is actually fallacious.
00:22:03.000And it's a pernicious collectivist argument that had to be debunked.
00:22:08.000So that's what I did in this book, this last book.
00:22:11.000Well, you're embarking on some very hot button topics that we do our best to navigate, but you do so in a very thoughtful and scholarly way.
00:22:20.000I do want to zoom in on one of the things that is on your executive summary.
00:22:24.000I want to re-emphasize the name of the book, What Do White Americans Owe Black People?
00:22:29.000And so, you know, I get lectured all the time by Black activists on college campuses that I don't know what it's like to be black, that I have to sit down and shut up, that I have white privilege, that I have cis heteronormative colonialist American privilege, and that I will never understand what it's like to be in somebody's shoes as a person of color.
00:22:47.000And so can you just speak to that a Bit, where does that come from?
00:22:50.000Where does that kind of line of reasoning or lack of reasoning or argumentation stem from?
00:22:56.000When someone says, You don't know what it's like to be in my shoes, you can't speak out about this.
00:23:01.000You don't have a right to have an opinion because you're not a marginalized and oppressed group.
00:23:05.000Where does that come from, and why is it so dangerous?
00:23:09.000Well, it comes from a cult of victimology.
00:23:11.000It says that if you're black, that you are, or if you're part of a group that has immutable traits that have been marked out, that has marked you as a victim when you're no longer a victim because we're no longer living in a systemic racist society and we're no longer living in a white supremacy society, but who still have bought into the cult of victimology and are intending to use white guilt as a way of silencing white people from standing up and defending themselves.
00:23:39.000Um, are using what it's called in philosophy standpoint epistemology: that is, I'm a black person, I'm a victim, and therefore, because I am a victim, I am stamped within premature of permanent innocence and I have iconic status.
00:23:55.000And because you are a person bearing white skin, you are an oppressor, and because you're an oppressor, I'm going to put you in a teachable moment and teach you everything that your ancestors and you, as a person bearing white skin, are conferring on me that you need to shut up and listen to me.
00:24:14.000This is a very, very nefarious move on the part of Black activists who have like taught people like Ibram Kennedy, Tom Hussey Colts, and his followers and their followers who have utilized the cult of victimology and the concomitant sense of innocence, permanent innocence, and the iconic status of sainthood that comes with it to try to get white people to feel guilty for being white.
00:24:42.000It is very dangerous, first of all, because it's just plain.
00:24:47.000It also assumed a sort of heterogeneous homogeneity among black people that all black people think of themselves as victims.
00:24:54.000And more importantly, Charlie, it expropriates the agency of Black people who do, such as myself, who do not consider themselves victims.
00:25:02.000And despite obstacles that might present themselves to us, we live in the greatest, the most moral, and the freest country on earth in which there are no obstacles which we cannot use our agency to overcome.
00:25:16.000So it tells Black people that because you are Black, that you have to develop an adversarial position towards all white people, most of whom are good people who want to see Black people flourish in the world, and that you must develop an adversarial position.
00:25:31.000You must develop an adversarial position towards them.
00:25:34.000When I think the majority of white people want to see Black people flourish, want to see their fellow Americans flourish.
00:25:40.000As someone who came to America at the age of 20, one of the things that really I found remarkable about Americans was that there was no bitterness among no sense of envy.
00:25:50.000They love to see Americans like to see other Americans flourish and be successful.
00:26:03.000And so, so, Professor, let me ask you: I was accused at the University of Texas Austin at a turning point USA event of being, let's say, engaging in whiteness colonialist culture by having conversation.
00:26:18.000And this is very similar to what the African American Historical Museum, History Museum, from the Smithsonian said back in the summer of 2020, where they said, being on time, having debate, having dialogue, doing math and science, those are characteristics of whiteness.
00:26:38.000And when I say that, a lot of people are so shocked to hear, like, what do you mean they're symptoms of whiteness?
00:26:52.000And it's also a sense of look, this is part of a larger group of people who suffer from or are guilty of America phobia, who want to equate bourgeois middle-class values, which are actually universal values, excellence, punctuality, grit, tenacity, honor.
00:27:12.000all universal values which people pin their aspirational identities on as somehow being symptomatic or emblematic of whiteness and to abolish this.
00:27:22.000This is part of a larger movement to use it's to use the idea of whiteness as being as encompassing these traits in order to really, I'm not a conspiracy conspiracy theorist here, but it's really to abolish the United States as we know it, to change the DNA of this country and to annihilate it.
00:27:45.000It's a symptom of systemic nihilism that we are witnessing in this country in order to usher in something like a socialist agenda.
00:27:55.000Look, if you can abolish punctuality, if you can abolish excellence, if you can abolish perseverance, if you can pin all these things on white people and whiteness and show that white people are evil imperialist races and that these traits are the constructs of races which must be annihilated, then you are destroying the United States of America.
00:28:17.000And why are you destroying the United States of America?
00:28:19.000You're destroying America because like Casio-Cortez and these other social ballasts and these nihilists, you want to usher in, you want to cripple people, you want to paralyze them, shut them down in order to bring in a socialist communist regime.
00:28:35.000It's people who are out to destroy America by taking universal values that all persons, rational persons, aspire to.
00:28:44.000Cast aspersions on them as a creation of white people.
00:28:48.000Abolish, by the way, abolish whiteness, which is nothing more than the annihilation of the white race, which is part of part of the black agenda, the nefarious part of the darker side of the civil rights movement, which we see rearing its ugly head today.
00:29:04.000I mean, we saw Jesse Jackson in 1988 talking about, I remember as a student, Ho Ho, Western Civil has got to go, part of that abolishing of Western civilization, including the abolishment of the Caucasian race.
00:30:42.000The other one is called Afro-pessimism.
00:30:44.000And the other one is called Black Nihilism.
00:30:47.000And they're headed by people such as Calvin Warren, Frank Wilderson, along with critical race theory that actually argue the point quite clearly that black existence and the longevity of the black race is incompatible with white people.
00:31:03.000Some of them use the euphemistic term that we must abolish whiteness, but others go much farther than that and say that only the annihilation of the white race, only with the annihilation of the white race, can black people continue their existence.
00:31:19.000And these are academic disciplines, the three academic disciplines being critical race theory, the third iteration of critical race theory, Afro-pessimism, and black nihilism.
00:31:30.000And it's stated in my book, I lay out the foundations, the arguments, long quotations from these people, from Frank Wilderson's book called Afro-Pessimism, in which the annihilation of Black of whiteness and the annihilation of the white race is spelt out very clearly as a precondition for the existence, a continued existence of Black people.
00:31:56.000By the way, the main connoisseurs of these works are middle-class privileged white students who go about mouth-mouthing this kind of malarchy, I must say.
00:32:11.000So, Dr. Hill, let me ask you as we close our conversation here, and again, the book, I just keep on plugging it, what do white Americans owe Black People?
00:32:19.000How should white Americans in our audience respond to being called racist incessantly?
00:32:26.000What is the right response for a white American to engage in the American racial conversation?
00:32:32.000First of all, to stop apologizing for the fact that you're white.
00:32:49.000To stand up courageously and say that you don't need to be taught anything, that you are a free-thinking American, and to actually adduce yourself as evidence that you're not racist, that you have never in your life inflicted maliciously without provocation harm against a white person, and that you're not going to be put in some sort of obsequious,
00:33:11.000psychophantic position of listening to anyone tell you how you should live your life, when you should listen to someone, and just be very, very courageous and unapologetic.
00:33:22.000And you'll be very surprised at how your opponents, your adversaries, will back down because what they're really relying on is a sense of decorum and protocol on your part to stand up and take this kind of racial abuse.
00:33:37.000Don't stop being apologetic for the fact that you're white.
00:33:41.000You can no more apologize for that fact any more than I can for the fact that I'm Caribbean, not a protein-American patriotic citizen, as patriotic as anyone.
00:33:51.000And stand your ground, adduce yourself as evidence of the fact that you're not racist by the fact that you have never harmed a person of color.
00:33:59.000And expose the malarchy and the logical infelicities behind these woe supremacists who want to use their race as some badge of superiority, moral superiority, and expose them for the racists that they really are, the inverse racists that they are.