The Charlie Kirk Show - February 07, 2024


It's True: "No One" Can Beat Nikki Haley


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Nikki Haley is the only person who can beat Donald Trump in the 2020 Republican primary, and she's the only one who can stop her. We recap how she did it, and talk about why no one else can beat her. We also touch on the latest in the Nikki Haley vs. John Bolton story, and Rick Scott joins us as well.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, we recap how Nikki, no one can beat her. 0.98
00:00:03.000 No one can beat Nikki Haley. 0.97
00:00:06.000 That's right. 0.95
00:00:07.000 Nobody, none of the above can beat Nikki Haley.
00:00:10.000 We also touch on the RNC story, and Senator Rick Scott joins us as well.
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00:01:35.000 Lots of breaking news, including the Nevada primary.
00:01:39.000 Blake, so this is very confusing.
00:01:40.000 Nevada has a primary, a caucus system.
00:01:42.000 It's all very confusing.
00:01:44.000 It's great.
00:01:44.000 What's going on?
00:01:45.000 So they've, for a long time, they had a caucus system, just like they have in Iowa famously.
00:01:50.000 Not a lot of other states do it because it's very weird and cumbersome.
00:01:53.000 You go and you physically gather, and your votes, I believe, aren't even really secret because you kind of caucus to different sides and all of that.
00:02:01.000 And so what happened is Nevada's legislature, which I believe was Democratic, they passed a bill that says you have to hold a primary.
00:02:09.000 But the Republican Party didn't care for this, not the least because it was Democrats kind of imposing it on them.
00:02:15.000 And so they still wanted to hold a caucus because they can make you hold a primary, but they can't really force you to acknowledge the primary in your party's internal actions.
00:02:24.000 So what we have is Nevada is holding a primary and a caucus.
00:02:28.000 And as it happens, Nikki Haley only entered the primary and Donald Trump is only doing the caucus.
00:02:34.000 And so they're like two ships passing in the night.
00:02:37.000 And what makes this so amazing is Nevada, just coincidentally, has a law that on any election, you have to include none as an option on the ballot.
00:02:46.000 None of the candidates.
00:02:47.000 Which is, it's like the YouTube down vote button.
00:02:49.000 It does nothing.
00:02:51.000 Even if none wins, the person in second just wins the election.
00:02:55.000 But it does occasionally set up something like this.
00:02:58.000 And so as the joke goes, nobody can stop Nikki Haley.
00:03:01.000 Nobody can. 0.86
00:03:02.000 Throw up image 43.
00:03:03.000 The results are in.
00:03:05.000 Nikki Haley was hoping she could win.
00:03:06.000 And we wouldn't even get zero delegates. 1.00
00:03:08.000 It would just be a it would just let her claim she won a state. 0.95
00:03:12.000 And none of the candidates received 63% of the vote. 1.00
00:03:17.000 Doubled her. 0.60
00:03:18.000 Doubled.
00:03:19.000 So there were 43,893 Nevadans who drove to the poll polls and said, I will vote for no one. 0.54
00:03:30.000 They hate Nikki Haley so much.
00:03:32.000 And by the way, just so you understand, the caucus is tomorrow.
00:03:36.000 Donald Trump has already won the caucus because he's the only one.
00:03:38.000 Exactly.
00:03:39.000 And it's just going to be a massive MAGA rally.
00:03:41.000 Everyone's going to show up and say, Trump, Trump.
00:03:43.000 And, but what is the path forward for Nikki?
00:03:48.000 I mean, this is, this is beyond embarrassing.
00:03:51.000 She can't win a primary where she's the only one on the ballot.
00:03:54.000 It's super embarrassing.
00:03:56.000 And it really, it drives home what we've said, which is the transformation of Nikki Haley from, you know, a serious candidate. 0.65
00:04:04.000 You know, we've got to see how the votes go. 0.97
00:04:06.000 You know, there might be a break one way or the other.
00:04:08.000 Or very briefly around Iowa, they're setting up Nikki Haley as maybe Trump's successor, could get the vice presidential nod. 0.96
00:04:16.000 But the longer she's in this, what we're really getting is Nikki Haley as... de facto Democrat booster, as just a person to distract and tear down the Trump campaign. 0.97
00:04:16.000 Yes. 0.97
00:04:27.000 And I think it's really going to alienate Republicans the longer this goes.
00:04:31.000 I think we have this piece of tape here of John Bolton.
00:04:33.000 So the John Bolton strategy, remember, John Bolton has not found a country that he doesn't want to invade.
00:04:38.000 He famously was, remember he was walking around the White House with a piece of notepad with like 20,000 troops to Venezuela.
00:04:46.000 And like someone took a picture of it.
00:04:48.000 Whenever there's anything, John Bolton would love to send your sons and daughters into another combat zone.
00:04:53.000 John Bolton never should have been allowed in the White House.
00:04:55.000 President Trump had his reasoning why he allowed John Bolton. 0.83
00:04:59.000 He said it was a negotiation tactic, but John Bolton ended up being awful and a snake.
00:05:04.000 He wants Nikki Haley to stay in to the convention.
00:05:07.000 Play Cut 25.
00:05:08.000 With the losses in Iowa and New Hampshire, is it time for Nikki Haley to get out? 0.55
00:05:13.000 Oh, I think she should stay in.
00:05:14.000 In fact, I think she should announce that she's going to stay in through the convention, no matter what happens in South Carolina, where it looks like she'll lose.
00:05:22.000 And the reason for that is I think she can carry the flag for everyone within the Republican Party who doesn't want Trump to get the nomination.
00:05:30.000 It's an uphill fight.
00:05:32.000 There's no doubt about it.
00:05:33.000 But things could happen in Trump's criminal proceedings.
00:05:38.000 The audio is kind of strange there.
00:05:40.000 It might have been on their end, not our end.
00:05:42.000 But basically, he's saying that he thinks that Nikki Haley should stay in all the way to the convention.
00:05:46.000 Just like we should stay in every Middle Eastern country. 1.00
00:05:49.000 Nobody can beat Nikki Haley. 0.97
00:05:52.000 Nobody. 0.99
00:05:52.000 Nobody can beat her. 0.99
00:05:53.000 No one.
00:05:54.000 I've never seen such a humiliating type answer.
00:05:57.000 Here's Nikki Haley. 1.00
00:05:58.000 She's raising all this money. 0.96
00:05:59.000 None of these candidates received 63.2% of the vote.
00:06:03.000 It's like this will be a trivia question in 20 years.
00:06:06.000 It'll be, you know, Nikki Haley, while running in the Nevada primary and da-da-da-da-da, managed to lose to whom?
00:06:12.000 And then, you know, you get 10 points if you can remember.
00:06:15.000 And someone just emailed us, James.
00:06:17.000 No one is better than Nikki Haley.
00:06:19.000 No one's better.
00:06:20.000 What I love about it, though, is that this goes to show the enthusiastic movement that Trump has built, where people will go out of their way just to say no to Nikki Haley.
00:06:32.000 It also goes to show that this is the death of neoconservative neoliberalism in the Republican Party.
00:06:37.000 I mean, Nikki Haley 10 years ago was a darling of the Republican Party.
00:06:42.000 To say that a decade later, you would have 63,000 people drive out of their way to go say no to her.
00:06:49.000 It's a remarkable philosophical shift in the Republican Party.
00:06:52.000 I'll admit, I genuinely wonder how many of them knew this is what it would be and they were going to vote for Trump.
00:06:57.000 And how many maybe just weren't paying super close attention, showed up, oh, they're primary day, I'm going to vote for Trump.
00:07:03.000 And they read the list and they just think, what's this? 0.99
00:07:07.000 What's this crap? 0.99
00:07:08.000 And then they just vote for none on the spot. 1.00
00:07:11.000 And I just wonder how common that might have been.
00:07:13.000 No one is better than Nikki Haley.
00:07:15.000 All right.
00:07:15.000 So let's get into the other breaking news here, Blake.
00:07:17.000 And we have Senator Scott from Florida joining us in just a couple minutes.
00:07:21.000 Rana has said she's stepping down.
00:07:23.000 It is official.
00:07:26.000 I think it was a long time coming.
00:07:28.000 And I know we've advocated it for this.
00:07:30.000 And we've been clear.
00:07:32.000 It's not because we dislike Rana.
00:07:34.000 Personally, I mean, it's just the RNC, it's an important job.
00:07:39.000 It needs to run well.
00:07:40.000 And the numbers are clear.
00:07:41.000 The RNC just had its worst year in our lifetimes basically since 1993.
00:07:47.000 So how do you keep it dusted?
00:07:48.000 If you're a fan of a college football team that has its worst season in 40 years, do you keep the coach?
00:07:55.000 And not only that, I mean, the Blake, you had the best analysis here, and I will repeat it.
00:08:01.000 RNC should do two things: it should be in alignment with your voters and like your voters and have a good relationship and win elections.
00:08:07.000 Both those, that's basically it.
00:08:07.000 Yeah.
00:08:09.000 The RNC does neither of those things.
00:08:11.000 It loses elections and hates its voters.
00:08:14.000 It's unsustainable.
00:08:15.000 So I would be able to live through an RNC and we'd be able to do some adjustments if they love their voters and lost all the time.
00:08:21.000 Yeah, if we just loved everyone there and got a lot, we were totally on the same page of every issue, every candidate, and then the election results were disappointing.
00:08:29.000 We could put our arm around them and just kind of have some compassion.
00:08:32.000 Yeah.
00:08:32.000 Or if they won all the time and they hated us, we would have to figure that out.
00:08:38.000 They lose all the time and they hate us.
00:08:40.000 Let's play Cut 42.
00:08:40.000 Yeah.
00:08:42.000 Mainstream media complaining about Rana resigning.
00:08:44.000 Play Cut 42.
00:08:46.000 It's time for a change.
00:08:47.000 What do you make of it?
00:08:48.000 It's a big deal.
00:08:49.000 Days after South Carolina is still only a couple of months before the convention.
00:08:54.000 You don't switch a national party chair at that time.
00:08:58.000 Why not?
00:08:59.000 Well, because you care about operations.
00:09:02.000 You want to see how things are going.
00:09:03.000 Now, I think Donald Trump is doing it because he wants to be able to get more money out of the RNC and raise money and make the deals that they tend to do on fundraising.
00:09:14.000 But it is going to be whoever it is, Donald Trump's going to choose him.
00:09:18.000 And it's going to be awful.
00:09:19.000 And I hope that people pay attention because it will show you that if he were elected president again, he will, the type of people he's going to pick, only people who follow him.
00:09:32.000 That's like a soft endorsement of Rana.
00:09:34.000 It's going to be terrible.
00:09:34.000 Yeah.
00:09:36.000 Listen, Donald Trump is making the right move.
00:09:38.000 The RNC can't raise money.
00:09:39.000 They have no trust from the grassroots.
00:09:41.000 They have no trust from the donor class.
00:09:43.000 And there is a massive amount of infrastructure building that needs to be done here.
00:09:46.000 Enormous.
00:09:47.000 We're nine months out.
00:09:48.000 Nine months, that's more than that's less time than the distance between when Trump got indicted and now.
00:09:55.000 A year ago, we did our best to try to get Rana out, try to get Harmeet Dylan.
00:09:55.000 That's right.
00:10:00.000 We went to Dana Point.
00:10:01.000 I'll kind of walk you through that again.
00:10:03.000 And a year later, she is stepping down.
00:10:06.000 And one of the main reasons is because there was this massive grassroots movement, and you guys deserve credit.
00:10:11.000 You know how many times you've emailed me, Charlie, the RNC just called me for money.
00:10:14.000 I told them I won't give them money until Rana resigns.
00:10:17.000 All those things get back to them.
00:10:18.000 It gets back to them.
00:10:19.000 And you guys deserve huge credit for it.
00:10:22.000 You guys led.
00:10:23.000 You kept the faith.
00:10:24.000 So now we get that sorted out.
00:10:26.000 We have a better chance for victory.
00:10:28.000 I'm not going to say we're going to win, but our chances of victory have improved.
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00:11:58.000 Just stay healthy, exercise, get your vitamin D, because there is something weird that is traveling the country.
00:12:06.000 And yes, we very well might be known as the Lankford virus.
00:12:09.000 How funny would that be if there's like a new COVID and we just call it the Lankford virus?
00:12:13.000 Yeah, we should, by all means.
00:12:14.000 It came from Oklahoma.
00:12:17.000 It was made in the Senate.
00:12:19.000 All right.
00:12:20.000 So let's talk about this RNC deal.
00:12:21.000 Just as some kind of reflection, a year ago, just about a year ago, we went down to Dana Point, California.
00:12:28.000 Tyler Boyer, who's on the 168, and we shook a lot of hands and talked to a lot of people and tried to get Harmit to be RNC chair.
00:12:36.000 We're obviously unsuccessful.
00:12:38.000 Many members of the RNC have bitter contempt for you, the voters.
00:12:41.000 They just don't care.
00:12:43.000 But we didn't give up.
00:12:44.000 And there was this movement of Scott Pressler, who deserves a ton of credit.
00:12:48.000 He's joining the show later.
00:12:49.000 There was a movement of a lot of different people.
00:12:51.000 And Blake, I think you would agree that Vivek Ramaswamy going on stage and highlighting Rana as a failure, that was a big deal.
00:13:00.000 Definitely.
00:13:01.000 It's usually these leadership posts just don't get a lot of attention.
00:13:05.000 Yes.
00:13:05.000 And it's just, it's become more and more glaring because more and more people have pointed it out.
00:13:10.000 And it's gotten so bad that you're getting this news coverage where they just say, yeah, here's the RNC's fundraising numbers.
00:13:16.000 And especially after you adjust for inflation, they're super bad.
00:13:20.000 And it's kind of funny because they want, you know, a lot of the press would want to set this up as a way to undermine Trump.
00:13:27.000 And yes, it's also so obvious that so much of the GOP apparatus still despises Trump and goes against him that it doesn't really work.
00:13:35.000 It ends up, they try to attack Trump and instead they just enrage huge chunks of the base against their own party infrastructure.
00:13:42.000 Yes.
00:13:42.000 And when Vivek did that, it was a huge risk.
00:13:46.000 Do we have that tape?
00:13:46.000 Can we get it, Ryan?
00:13:47.000 Because I think that this thing went in different chapters.
00:13:51.000 Rana dug in.
00:13:52.000 She thought that she won.
00:13:53.000 She thought that all of you grassroots people, you know, you guys aren't.
00:13:57.000 And we just played a small role at Turning Point.
00:14:00.000 We just, you know, mentioned it here or there.
00:14:01.000 And just there's other people that really carry the water here.
00:14:05.000 And we just highlighted it and tried to keep the drumbeat going.
00:14:08.000 But it really became clear in this last summer when the RNC was leaning into a failed debate strategy, an expensive debate strategy that was completely unnecessary.
00:14:19.000 They very well could have done low-cost debates with online influencers on Rumble or Real America's Voice.
00:14:26.000 They could have done a much more scrappy entrepreneurial, we're going to deploy our resources to ballot chasers. 0.60
00:14:32.000 When they were as continually adversarial to outside groups like Turning Point Action, it was clear that the RNC is not going to change their ways.
00:14:40.000 And that really ticked off the grassroots.
00:14:42.000 And Donald Trump not showing up at that debate was a huge insult to them and really kind of weakened.
00:14:48.000 And their fundraising numbers are abysmal and their spending practices went unchanged.
00:14:54.000 And I hope that you all understand this is a monumentally historic development.
00:15:01.000 Rana does not want to step down.
00:15:02.000 She would love to continue.
00:15:04.000 She's only halfway through her term, right? 0.95
00:15:05.000 She's only halfway through her term in the midst of a presidential cycle.
00:15:08.000 And I mean, it's the essence of who's actually deciding to do what, it's very clear that Donald Trump is pushing for this to happen.
00:15:17.000 And honestly, credit to Donald Trump.
00:15:19.000 You deserve huge praise for this.
00:15:20.000 This is not something that is the standard operating procedure of a party committee.
00:15:25.000 But Donald Trump wants a winner.
00:15:27.000 And Donald Trump is also looking at the numbers of the RNC.
00:15:29.000 He's like, you obviously don't have the trust of the voters or the grassroots or the activists to win.
00:15:34.000 You just have the trust of all those flower salesmen.
00:15:37.000 Yes.
00:15:37.000 The flower salesmen love Rana.
00:15:39.000 If they were voting members, they would do very, very well.
00:15:43.000 And now the next point is that Donald Trump needs to be able to merge committees.
00:15:46.000 Now, who is going to be RNC chair?
00:15:49.000 We're going to be, I think Vivek would be a great option.
00:15:49.000 We don't know.
00:15:52.000 Lara Trump would be a great option.
00:15:54.000 I think Donald Trump Jr. would be a great option.
00:15:56.000 I think those three people should be totally under consideration.
00:15:58.000 I think you should go outside of the 168 and have a business-minded entrepreneur, real change maker that can move things forward.
00:16:06.000 But understand, everybody, that this is a grassroots victory.
00:16:10.000 This is you that did this.
00:16:12.000 The party is changing for the better.
00:16:14.000 Five years ago, this never would have happened.
00:16:17.000 And it's also credit to how media is changing.
00:16:20.000 Cable news was just offering cover for the RNC.
00:16:23.000 There was not a critical word that was said against the RNC the last nine months on cable news, but Real America's Voice, Rumble, social media channels.
00:16:32.000 We were able to push forward the narrative and say, that doesn't make any sense.
00:16:35.000 Why aren't you doing this?
00:16:36.000 Why don't you have more staff?
00:16:38.000 And it was this building cascade effect that is going to put us in a much better spot to win for no other reason than to restore the confidence that we can actually have an RNC that listens to their voters, builds party infrastructure, chases ballots, registers voters, and does the necessary things to secure our elections.
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00:18:55.000 Joining us now is Senator Scott from Florida.
00:18:58.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time.
00:18:59.000 Senator, I have to be honest, seeing this mess the last couple of days, I wish you were in charge.
00:19:05.000 You guys are not being led well.
00:19:07.000 This is a joke.
00:19:08.000 It is a travesty.
00:19:09.000 Senator, just your top of mind thoughts of what has developed these last 72 hours.
00:19:15.000 Well, this is what happens when you have a leader that negotiates without telling everybody what's going on.
00:19:21.000 I mean, think about this.
00:19:24.000 If you turn something over to somebody else to negotiate, they still keep you informed.
00:19:28.000 This is a bill that, you know, nobody knew hardly what was in it.
00:19:31.000 I guess McConnell and a couple others did.
00:19:34.000 They spring it on a Sunday night and tell us we have to vote on it Wednesday.
00:19:38.000 I mean, think about it.
00:19:38.000 They've been doing it since I got up here.
00:19:40.000 Schumer McConnell did the omnibus that way, the China bill that way.
00:19:44.000 They do it all.
00:19:45.000 They give us at the last second and say, oh, now we have to read it within about an hour, and we're going to vote on it.
00:19:50.000 So, so this is exactly what happens when you do it in the dark.
00:19:54.000 And on top of that, you know what, Charlie, you know what makes you mad?
00:19:57.000 You know what this bill was supposed to be?
00:19:58.000 It's supposed to be a border security bill.
00:20:00.000 It's an immigration bill.
00:20:02.000 What was supposed to happen is it was, this is, oh, we're going to secure our border before we secure Ukraine's border.
00:20:08.000 But guess what?
00:20:09.000 McConnell made the decision that no, we're not going to tie Biden's hands.
00:20:14.000 We're not going to say he has to do the right thing to get the Ukraine aid.
00:20:19.000 McConnell made that decision.
00:20:21.000 And that's wrong.
00:20:22.000 If you go back to Florida, you know what people want?
00:20:25.000 They want the border secure now.
00:20:26.000 They know we have a lawless administration, so we have to hold them accountable.
00:20:30.000 That's right.
00:20:31.000 So, Senator, you're going to have to help me understand this.
00:20:33.000 They spend months in private and in secret negotiating this.
00:20:37.000 And then Senator McConnell in a closed door meeting says the tone of the country has changed.
00:20:42.000 And never mind, we're not going to do this.
00:20:44.000 Do they not care about the tone of the country while they're secretly negotiating?
00:20:48.000 What was Senator McConnell's plan here?
00:20:50.000 Was there a plan?
00:20:51.000 Did he, was that a retreat, or is it just kind of a sabotage mission all along?
00:20:56.000 For those of us that deeply care about our country and do this for a living every single day, I find this reprehensible.
00:21:02.000 I mean, this is so distant from how Republicans should be acting in D.C. Can you help me understand?
00:21:11.000 I have no idea why he made the decisions.
00:21:15.000 I don't know what's changed.
00:21:16.000 You know what?
00:21:17.000 I think probably every day Americans are more interested in having a secure border.
00:21:20.000 So nothing's changed except that we want a border secure today.
00:21:24.000 We don't want an immigration bill.
00:21:26.000 We want a, we don't, you know, we love, you know, legal immigration.
00:21:29.000 We don't want illegal immigration, but we have to get a border secure.
00:21:33.000 So nothing's changed.
00:21:34.000 It's just McConnell didn't have the votes.
00:21:36.000 So he's got to blame it on somebody else.
00:21:38.000 He made the decision not to have a border bill.
00:21:41.000 He made that decision.
00:21:42.000 He made the decision to have an immigration bill because he wants Ukraine aid.
00:21:46.000 And then on top of that, Charlie, they put in their $10 billion that the president can use, President Trump, President Biden can use any way he wants, including giving money to Gazans, which goes to Hamas, or giving money to the Palestinian Authority, or giving money to some other humanitarian group.
00:22:00.000 I mean, think about this.
00:22:02.000 This makes no sense.
00:22:04.000 This is not what Americans want.
00:22:05.000 No, Americans want funding to help Israel.
00:22:08.000 That's fine.
00:22:08.000 Do that in a clean bill.
00:22:10.000 Americans don't want this Ukraine thing to continue. 0.98
00:22:12.000 This is a complete joke.
00:22:13.000 It is a mockery and it's bad for the country.
00:22:16.000 And but more than even all of that is they want our border secure.
00:22:19.000 So help me understand.
00:22:21.000 Schumer is he's peeling it into a they call it a clean Ukraine vote.
00:22:26.000 Is that right?
00:22:27.000 Help me understand the parliamentary tactics going on.
00:22:30.000 Yeah, you know, nothing's going to be clean.
00:22:32.000 So with what they're going to do is they're just going to strip out the this immigration portion.
00:22:36.000 I'm not going to call it border security because it wasn't.
00:22:38.000 Yeah, that's going to strip that out this afternoon.
00:22:40.000 And then we'll have a vote on Ukraine.
00:22:41.000 And here's what it is.
00:22:42.000 We're going to borrow money, right?
00:22:44.000 We're going to borrow money and pay the government workers of Ukraine, right?
00:22:50.000 We don't have a plan exactly what we're going to do to win, right?
00:22:54.000 I think a lot of us would like them to win, but we don't have a plan.
00:22:57.000 Oh, but in this bill, after we spend the money, they're going to give us a plan.
00:23:02.000 And then there's $10 billion to give to humanitarian, which we know Biden has already given, what, $100 million, but $10 billion, $100 million to Gazans, which is going to Hamas.
00:23:14.000 And we also know that the Biden administration doesn't have any idea how to help Ukraine.
00:23:21.000 They won't give them the long-range missiles.
00:23:23.000 If you wanted Ukraine to win, you would actually give them the weapons to win.
00:23:26.000 But that's not what Biden's doing.
00:23:29.000 Yeah.
00:23:29.000 And so I need to ask you just because all kinds of roads lead back to leadership, as you well know.
00:23:34.000 You did a great job running the state of Florida.
00:23:37.000 And you guys are just not being led well.
00:23:40.000 And I have some strong opinions on that.
00:23:42.000 I'm going to play a piece of tape here.
00:23:43.000 I was surprised to see it.
00:23:45.000 Senator Cruz is demanding that Mitch McConnell steps down.
00:23:48.000 Play cut 39, please.
00:23:50.000 Is it time for Mitch McConnell to go?
00:23:53.000 I think it is.
00:23:55.000 Look, everyone here also supported a leadership challenge to Mitch McConnell in November.
00:24:01.000 I think a Republican leader should actually lead this conference and should advance the priorities of Republicans.
00:24:10.000 And I stood up and said, look, in any ordinary organization, when you are faced with failure, if you're running a business and you lose $50 million, you don't just say, hey, everything's great.
00:24:20.000 Let's keep doing it.
00:24:21.000 No, you sit down and say, what are we doing wrong?
00:24:24.000 And at that meeting, I turned to Mitch McConnell then and I said, look, we spent the last two years with a group, a handful of Republicans joining with Democrats to pass the Democrat agenda.
00:24:35.000 And I said, maybe that's a good idea.
00:24:37.000 I don't think it is.
00:24:39.000 So, Senator, where is the temperature on a leadership challenge to McConnell?
00:24:44.000 What are your colleagues saying?
00:24:46.000 So, as you know, a little over a year ago, I ran with the support of Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and Ron Johnson, Mike Braun, and others to say, we need to have a different way of running this place.
00:24:57.000 Because what was happening is they would do exactly what Ted Cruz did.
00:25:01.000 Schubert would write a bill with McConnell.
00:25:03.000 McConnell would get 12 people and they would pass legislation that we completely oppose.
00:25:07.000 And then Pelosi was over in the House and pass it over there and then we'll go to Biden.
00:25:12.000 So it's like we, it was just a, it was just a, you know, Biden everything.
00:25:18.000 He got everything he wanted.
00:25:19.000 So I said, why don't we all sit down as a group, decide what our priorities are, and then our leadership should play those priorities.
00:25:27.000 Like our priority right now is a secure border.
00:25:30.000 That's all what this is.
00:25:31.000 Okay.
00:25:31.000 Our priority is not to get money to Ukraine with no strings attached and get money to potentially Hamas.
00:25:40.000 That's not our Republican position.
00:25:42.000 But if you look at what McConnell is doing, it sure looking like it's a Republican position.
00:25:47.000 So I ran.
00:25:48.000 There'll be another election at the end of this year when we finish our elections in November.
00:25:54.000 So I hope we have change.
00:25:58.000 I hope we start running acting like a conference and we work together.
00:26:02.000 Like it takes 60 votes here, Charlie.
00:26:04.000 It takes 60 votes here to pass legislation.
00:26:07.000 We have 49 Republicans.
00:26:08.000 If we, 41 of us say no, it doesn't pass.
00:26:11.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.
00:26:12.000 I mean, I feel as if sometimes we're living in this country where they have 90 votes in the Senate and we have no leverage.
00:26:20.000 I mean, it's about time that we start to use our leverage and we start to play hardball.
00:26:24.000 You're not going to get everything you want, but you can get something.
00:26:29.000 You can get some concession.
00:26:30.000 So, Senator, I just want to make sure I understand this because this in some ways will be the game after the game, after this exhausting civilizational defining election in November.
00:26:41.000 How many votes does it take to get a new leader?
00:26:44.000 Is it a simply majority?
00:26:45.000 Is that right?
00:26:46.000 It's a majority.
00:26:47.000 Yeah, it's a majority.
00:26:48.000 So we'll see.
00:26:50.000 We'll see who gets elected.
00:26:52.000 Hopefully we'll get a majority.
00:26:53.000 It looks like we should be able to get a majority, but we're only going to get a majority if we have something to run on.
00:26:58.000 Like we tell people, hey, we're going to fight like hell over this issue.
00:27:01.000 We're going to fight like hell to get secure the border, balance a budget, things like that.
00:27:05.000 If we don't, I mean, it's going to, it'll be harder for us.
00:27:09.000 So the, so yeah, there'll be, there'll be an election.
00:27:12.000 And whether hopefully with a majority, but majority or minority, we'll be a majority Republicans will get to pick a leader.
00:27:19.000 So I have a couple of thoughts on this, Senator.
00:27:20.000 Number one, you know, we need to all be in touch because as soon as the election is over, there's a lot of grassroots interest to get involved in putting pressure for a new Senate leader.
00:27:31.000 And so last time I feel as if they snuck this through and you have my word, we're going to do whatever we can.
00:27:37.000 Regardless of how the results happen in November, we need a new Senate majority leader coming in, or if it's Senate minority leader, I hope not.
00:27:44.000 So we have to do that.
00:27:45.000 And also, I get really fired up because some of these Senate, your colleagues, they hate Trump.
00:27:50.000 They don't like Trump.
00:27:51.000 The only way you guys are going to get to a Senate majority is thanks to Donald Trump forgetting the sins of McConnell selling out the entire country because there's 20% of the Republican base, or maybe even 30%, that will not vote for Republicans.
00:28:05.000 And the only reason they will is because Donald Trump is at the top of the ticket.
00:28:09.000 Because we have not seen that kind of fighting gusto.
00:28:13.000 In closing here, Senator, what should we run on?
00:28:16.000 What should these candidates in Ohio, West Virginia, Montana, in these critical Senate races, what is the agenda that Senate Republicans can run on?
00:28:25.000 Well, I put out a plan that Mitch McConnell attacked me immediately after I put it out about two years ago.
00:28:30.000 You go to rescueamerica.com because we have to run on things.
00:28:34.000 But let's think about what's important for your family.
00:28:36.000 You want security, all right?
00:28:38.000 You want a secure border.
00:28:39.000 You don't want to be at war.
00:28:41.000 You'd like to have a great job.
00:28:42.000 You'd like to have a great education for your kids and you want to be safe.
00:28:45.000 That's what we ought to be doing and make sure you can afford to live in this country.
00:28:49.000 But with this inflation, look at what it's doing to families to try to buy health insurance or groceries or cars or houses.
00:28:56.000 Yeah, I just, and by the way, I loved your plan.
00:28:59.000 I mean, some of it is you could discuss and some of it, I don't know if I agree with all of it.
00:29:03.000 I agree with 99% of it.
00:29:04.000 You were morally clear on the trans issue.
00:29:07.000 You were clear on the life issue.
00:29:08.000 You were clear on the border issue.
00:29:10.000 You were clear on putting the country first.
00:29:12.000 And the McConnell way of doing things, just so everybody understands, is raise tons of money from special interests or people that are somewhat connected to the legislative agenda.
00:29:22.000 Go run negative ads and just go run negative, negative, negative, and do not put forward a forward agenda because McConnell thinks if you do that, you're assuredly going to lose.
00:29:32.000 And then just kind of hide behind some other, you know, excuse.
00:29:37.000 We need to put forward a positive agenda, be morally clear on the issues that matter.
00:29:37.000 I'm sorry.
00:29:42.000 And, you know, Senator, I think that you is one day as majority leader.
00:29:46.000 Don't give up is my advice to you.
00:29:47.000 Don't give up.
00:29:48.000 I'm not going to give up.
00:29:49.000 If you look at what just happened, that's why Trump's going to win.
00:29:51.000 He has a plan.
00:29:52.000 Trump is going to go fight for things.
00:29:54.000 He was going to say, this is what I'm going to do.
00:29:57.000 And so we have a reason to fight for it.
00:29:58.000 I'm up for election this cycle.
00:30:00.000 I told people what I'm going to do.
00:30:01.000 You're going to win.
00:30:01.000 You're going to win.
00:30:02.000 And we have your back.
00:30:02.000 Yeah.
00:30:04.000 I just want to say, Senator, I know that you're not connected with this.
00:30:06.000 I don't expect any response, but showing that the RNC chair can be removed from grassroots pressure, I think, is a harbinger and a canary in the coal mine that McConnell's time is soon up.
00:30:17.000 So please don't give up.
00:30:19.000 Senator, thank you so much.
00:30:20.000 I won't.
00:30:21.000 Great.
00:30:21.000 See you, Charlie.
00:30:22.000 Bye-bye.
00:30:25.000 There was a story that we wanted to hit, Blake.
00:30:27.000 Was it the Tucker one?
00:30:28.000 I think there was another one.
00:30:30.000 There's a lot going on.
00:30:31.000 Yeah, talk to the Tucker stuff.
00:30:32.000 We could talk to RNC some more.
00:30:33.000 Yeah, let's do that.
00:30:34.000 So we were discussing, obviously, Rana apparently is going to leave, but what follows up with it?
00:30:40.000 We mentioned Vivek, Don Jr., some other names.
00:30:43.000 But NBC News does have some reporting today on what other sources are saying: that if the Trump world has more power over the RNC, they might restructure it.
00:30:54.000 And what's interesting is they might literally change how the organization functions.
00:30:58.000 And it might actually leave McDaniel as the chairwoman nominally.
00:31:03.000 I'll just read this quote: It would leave McDaniel as chairwoman, but she would essentially be a sort of figurehead.
00:31:10.000 Meanwhile, staffers closely aligned with Trump would also be installed and have significant power over party operations.
00:31:17.000 Under the plan, two Trump-picked co-chairs would be put in place: one to oversee fundraising and the other to oversee party operations.
00:31:26.000 One source told NBC they named Reince Priebus as a possibility.
00:31:30.000 He's a former RNC chairman.
00:31:33.000 Other names were Linda McMahon and Steve Wynn.
00:31:36.000 That's the major GOP donor, Linda McMahon, and she ran for Senate a while ago.
00:31:41.000 And then Steve Wynn's a casino guy.
00:31:43.000 They might run the fundraising side.
00:31:45.000 And then they predicted the operations side would be led by Trump advisor Chris La Cevita.
00:31:50.000 Did I say that right?
00:31:51.000 Yep, that's right.
00:31:53.000 That's right.
00:31:54.000 So you probably know all those names better than I do.
00:31:56.000 Yeah, and so that would be smart.
00:31:59.000 I think you have to reimagine the RNC.
00:32:00.000 You have to put together an all-star finance team, and those names that you listed would be great.
00:32:05.000 And then you have to have a tactical team that can just win over the grassroots.
00:32:09.000 The RNC in its current form, it's way too much consolidated power.
00:32:13.000 If I were to, you know, design it, I think it's smart.
00:32:15.000 You have a finance division that all they care about is just raising money.
00:32:18.000 And that makes sense because a lot of the money people might not be with us on all the issues, but they want to win.
00:32:22.000 Yes, they want to win.
00:32:23.000 Send them off, get the money.
00:32:24.000 Yes, go raise money.
00:32:25.000 And then you have a super savvy grassroots warrior that can navigate the trenches and be able to kind of go through that, those layerings of building state parties, register voters, be able to build state party committees, precinct commitment, stuff like that.
00:32:46.000 And we love these sports analogies.
00:32:48.000 It's like an NFL team.
00:32:49.000 You have a general manager and a head coach.
00:32:51.000 The general manager gets the assets.
00:32:53.000 They figure out what do you need.
00:32:55.000 How does all the money line up?
00:32:56.000 Who gets paid what?
00:32:57.000 And then you have the head coach who's tactical.
00:33:00.000 How do we actually get the wins?
00:33:02.000 You have front office, right?
00:33:03.000 You have a general manager that gets the right personnel.
00:33:06.000 And by the way, we're running out of time.
00:33:07.000 So this divide and conquer strategy is pretty effective.
00:33:11.000 And by the way, we have nine months now.
00:33:13.000 It really is too big of a job for one person.
00:33:15.000 So you have to say you're in charge of securing elections, chasing ballots, registering voters, all the grassroots political stuff.
00:33:23.000 And then you're just in charge of just printing money in a good way.
00:33:25.000 Like, I mean, raise as much money as you possibly can, ready, set, go.
00:33:28.000 And you need people that are well connected in donor finance circles that can rewin donors, fresh face, fresh name, fresh vision.
00:33:34.000 They can quote unquote sell and or brag on, advertise, and share what the grassroots division is doing.
00:33:40.000 But that's basically the divide and conquer strategy that we need.
00:33:43.000 Precisely.
00:33:44.000 So I think it's really smart, actually.
00:33:46.000 And by the way, it also needs to be something that the grassroots division needs to be someone that small dollar donors trust and they know.
00:33:53.000 That's why I think Vivek would be amazing.
00:33:55.000 Vivek can kind of traverse both of those lines because you need the small dollar churn.
00:34:00.000 You need the $10, the $20, and that is completely evaporated.
00:34:04.000 Yeah, you are rebuilding an organization that has gone through a truly dramatic, almost cataclysmic collapse in both its actual fundraising and in its regard with its space.
00:34:19.000 And I think that's a strong point in favor of a pretty radical restructuring.
00:34:24.000 It allows you to come out and say, you know, new RNC, new face, new party, run a different way.
00:34:31.000 And that can at least create some excitement.
00:34:33.000 And excitement is what you need when you need to get so much money so quickly.
00:34:37.000 And they're definitely the underdog no matter what.
00:34:39.000 Someone just emailed us.
00:34:40.000 They said, Charlie, I need reassurance.
00:34:42.000 I don't trust the RNC.
00:34:43.000 I'm very skeptical.
00:34:44.000 Trust for me is key.
00:34:45.000 Until then, I won't give any money.
00:34:47.000 I've been stabbed in the back too many times.
00:34:48.000 And that's a sentiment that we keep on hearing.
00:34:50.000 Let me also read this email.
00:34:52.000 Charlie, I got a call from the RNC yesterday.
00:34:54.000 I told them they wouldn't get a penny for me until they got rid of Rana. 0.99
00:34:57.000 They told me on the phone they've been hearing that a lot, but continued to beg.
00:35:01.000 I ended the call by saying that they could call me back once she was gone.
00:35:03.000 Just hours later, she's gone.
00:35:05.000 Well, Julie, you're to credit.
00:35:06.000 Julie, you made it happen.
00:35:07.000 I hope.
00:35:08.000 I hope they actually kept that list of people to call back, but given how it's been run, they probably.
00:35:12.000 No, they haven't.
00:35:13.000 But to be honest, you guys effectuated this change.
00:35:16.000 You know, we just talked on these shows and stuff.
00:35:18.000 The real straw that broke the camel's back is when they were trying to do their phone solicitations and everyday rank and file people said, why is Ron in charge?
00:35:25.000 Why is Ron in charge?
00:35:26.000 They've never had that sort of check and balance from the grassroots ever.
00:35:30.000 I'm not going to give money to buy flowers.
00:35:32.000 That's right.
00:35:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:36.000 Email us as always freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:35:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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