The Charlie Kirk Show - Jack Smith: The Prosecutor Becomes the Prosecuted?

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00:01:52.000 But right now we have Mike Davis, the Article 3 project.

00:01:55.000 Mike, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:01:58.000 There is all this news swirling.

00:02:00.000 Chuck Grassley, I know you know Chuck Grassley, Senator Grassley, puts out this memo and basically says the FBI denied that there, at least is there's voices within the FBI asserting that they did not have probable cause to raid Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:14.000 Then you got Jack Smith, who goes in for an eight-hour closed-door testimony making his case for why he embarked upon this special counsel political prosecution of President Trump.

00:02:29.000 What is the truth?

00:02:30.000 What did they learn yesterday?

00:02:33.000 And what is going on behind the scenes with this FBI bombshell from Senator Grassley?

00:02:39.000 Well, it's what we've been discussing on this show for over three years, Andrew, and that is that this was a political hit on President Trump in Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:50.000 It was a political hit to get back the damning crossfire hurricane records that President Trump declassified via presidential executive order the day before he left office for the first time.

00:03:04.000 And they wanted to get back these records because they're so damning.

00:03:08.000 They knew these records were going to come out because President Trump sued Hillary Clinton in a civil lawsuit in the Southern District of Florida for Crossfire Hurricane for the Russian delusion hoax when Obama, Biden, Hillary, Brennan Clapper, Comey,

00:03:23.000 so many bad actors politicized and weaponized intel agencies to protect Hillary and her corruption when she was Secretary of State and the Clinton Foundation was taking tens of millions of dollars in shady foreign donations. 1.00

00:03:39.000 We're just learning today that there is evidence of quid pro quo foreign corruption with that that the Biden Justice Department sat on.

00:03:48.000 And then with Crossfire Hurricane, they wanted to take out President Trump's campaign.

00:03:53.000 So if these damning, if this damning evidence came out of Hillary Clinton's corruption because her server got hacked, that she wanted to be able to point to the Trump campaign and say, you can't believe this is a campaign dirty trick.

00:04:08.000 This is a hoax.

00:04:08.000 And they the same thing with Hunter Biden's laptop in 2020.

00:04:12.000 So the FBI knew they didn't have probable cause to do this raid to get back these crossfire hurricane records.

00:04:19.000 You have this U.S. magistrate judge, Bruce Reinhardt, in the Southern District of Florida, who was on the Trump versus Hillary civil case.

00:04:28.000 He had to recuse because he had 2017 Facebook posts trashing President Trump.

00:04:34.000 So obviously he's not going to be a fair judge.

00:04:36.000 Six weeks later, that judicial bias somehow magically disappeared when Jay Bratz from the Biden Justice Department, who went on to work for Jack Smith, went to Bruce Reinhardt and got this unprecedented unlawful home raid on Trump when they knew they didn't have probable cause.

00:04:55.000 It's so damning.

00:04:58.000 I've talked about this for a long time.

00:05:01.000 They've opened up a new grand jury in Fort Pierce, Florida, in the Southern District of Florida.

00:05:07.000 My friend Jason Redding Kiñones is Trump's new U.S. attorney, and I have very publicly called for a grand jury to probe all of this and hold all of these lawfare Democrats and other bad actors accountable for this because this is the biggest scandal in American history.

00:05:25.000 Wow.

00:05:25.000 So you've got, you know what will never cease to amaze me is that you have these federal judges that just go on Facebook and like, Trump's terrible.

00:05:32.000 Like, I mean, like the fact that a judge would feel so, you know, loose to something, to say something political publicly on a social media site, it's just damning.

00:05:47.000 I mean, in and of itself, I just find it really crass and low-class, actually.

00:05:53.000 I don't know if you're trying to chime in here, but it's just like you, you know, judges, you have this air of impartiality.

00:05:59.000 You have an air of being above the fray. 0.99

00:06:01.000 And then you just go on Facebook and like, Trump sucks. 1.00

00:06:03.000 Like, okay. 1.00

00:06:04.000 I don't know.

00:06:05.000 It just seems beneath the office.

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:08.000 It is.

00:06:08.000 It's also a violation of the judicial canons.

00:06:11.000 But I would say this about that U.S. magistrate judge, Bruce Reinhardt.

00:06:15.000 The timing of that Mor-a-Lago raid seems very fishy.

00:06:18.000 He recuses in the civil lawsuit.

00:06:20.000 Six weeks later, the recusal issue goes away.

00:06:23.000 And all of a sudden, Jay Bratt is down in Mor-a-Lago sniffing around and coming up with a pretext to do this raid for presidential records that the president is allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act.

00:06:37.000 Did Bruce Reinhardt talk to Jay Bratt about this?

00:06:41.000 How did Jay Bratt know that these documents were going to be produced in that civil lawsuit versus Hillary when it was?

00:06:48.000 This whole thing needs to be investigated.

00:06:51.000 And all of these bad actors need to be investigated, including these judges.

00:06:55.000 So you say we need accountability here.

00:06:58.000 I would agree, Mike Davis, Article 3 Project.

00:07:01.000 So you form a grand jury.

00:07:06.000 What would accountability look like for somebody like Jack Smith?

00:07:10.000 The accountability would be what we've been talking about for over three years.

00:07:14.000 You open up a criminal probe under 18 USC, Section 241, conspiracy against rights, when you politicize and weaponize intel agencies and law enforcement to go after your political enemies for non-crimes.

00:07:28.000 That's the textbook definition of conspiracy against rights.

00:07:32.000 Jack Smith is very well aware of this conspiracy against rights crime because it's one of the four charges he made against President Trump for the non-crime of the non-crime of President Trump objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First Amendment.

00:07:50.000 Jack Smith can go into that closed-door hearing and say whatever he wants.

00:07:54.000 He said he had all the goods.

00:07:56.000 He had all the evidence to get President Trump.

00:07:58.000 He didn't.

00:07:58.000 This guy is a partisan scud missile who Democrats sent in to take out Republican presidential candidates.

00:08:06.000 They'd sent in Jack Smith to take out former Virginia Governor Bob McDonald when he was a likely presidential candidate for Republicans.

00:08:16.000 Jack Smith got a criminal conviction for fraud.

00:08:19.000 It got overturned eight to nothing by the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:08:23.000 It would have been nine to nothing, but Justice Scalia died.

00:08:25.000 But Jack Smith didn't care.

00:08:27.000 The damage was done.

00:08:28.000 He took out Governor McDonald as a presidential candidate.

00:08:33.000 Jack Smith got banished to the Hague.

00:08:34.000 He should have lost his law license after that.

00:08:37.000 After you get beat eight to nothing at the Supreme Court, it's very hard to get beat eight to nothing at the Supreme Court, particularly on a criminal case.

00:08:45.000 But Jack Smith found the way and they brought him back.

00:08:48.000 The Biden regime brought him back to take out Trump at all costs.

00:08:53.000 They failed because President Trump hired John Sauer, now the Solicitor General, and John Sauer raised the presidential immunity argument, which stopped the prosecutions in their tracks.

00:09:06.000 But if John Sauer didn't do that, President Trump would be sitting in a prison cell right now instead of the White House.

00:09:12.000 But it does strike me, isn't that probably the best defense Jack Smith could make?

00:09:17.000 Is you can say it's politicized.

00:09:19.000 I think we agree it felt politicized, but a lot of it is if they can cover it with enough measure of legal formality and getting evidence.

00:09:28.000 He brings up, we have part of his statement, and he said, I just brought the charges that a grand jury returned.

00:09:34.000 So doesn't he have sort of a pretty strong defense of a grand jury agreed with us?

00:09:39.000 Yep.

00:09:39.000 It's a constant.

00:09:41.000 Everyone knows a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, and you have a separate duty as a prosecutor to make sure that you have probable cause, to make sure that there is a good faith legal basis for what you're doing, to make sure that you're not bringing not he remember what Jack Smith did.

00:09:59.000 He brought novel legal charges.

00:10:01.000 He tried to throw Trump in prison for the non-crime of having presidential records, which is allowed by the Presidential Records Act.

00:10:09.000 He tried to throw Trump in prison for the non-crime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First Amendment.

00:10:18.000 Jack Smith politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement to take out Trump, along with many, many others.

00:10:25.000 And Jack Smith can raise that defense to the jury.

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00:11:39.000 Mike, you, what have you heard from your sources about this briefing that happened on the Narco boats?

00:11:46.000 I mean, even Fetterman's coming out and saying this is all legal.

00:11:49.000 They have a three-step process, multi-tier process, and there's lawyers at every step of the way.

00:11:54.000 Is there any concern that they're going to have any legal basis to attack Pete Hegseth when he's no longer Secretary of War, for example, or any of the people in the chain of command here?

00:12:04.000 President of the United States as the Commander-in-Chief has the constitutional and statutory power and duty to protect our nation, including repelling an invasion.

00:12:18.000 And that's exactly what's going on here.

00:12:21.000 You have these narco boats bringing in fentanyl that's killing tens of thousands of Americans.

00:12:28.000 And the president is well within his constitutional and statutory authority.

00:12:34.000 He's well within his constitutional authority as the commander-in-chief under the commander-in-chief clause, even if there's not a declaration of war, because going back to our founding, everyone agrees that the president can repel an invasion into our country.

00:12:48.000 And also, under the War Powers Act of 1973, passed by Congress over President Nixon's veto, many presidents do not consider the War Powers Act constitutional because they think it constrains too much of the president's power to fight wars and to defend our country.

00:13:10.000 But even if you think that the War Powers Act of 1973 is constitutional, what President Trump is doing is within his statutory powers under the War Powers Act of 1973.

00:13:21.000 There's no legal issue here whatsoever.

00:13:24.000 And I don't remember these Democrats like Senator Mark Kelly complaining when President Obama ordered extrajudicial drone strikes on American citizens abroad, including a minor.

00:13:38.000 So if, and I supported that, if President Obama can drone strike Americans, President Trump can certainly bomb narco boats. 0.98

00:13:46.000 Are there any limits on what he could choose to bomb, I suppose?

00:13:52.000 Sure.

00:13:52.000 I mean, there are limits.

00:13:53.000 If you have to show that if the president is bombing things that are not a danger to the United States, then sure, there could be limits on that.

00:14:03.000 But the president has very broad discretion.

00:14:07.000 He has very broad power and very broad discretion as the chief executive officer and as the commander-in-chief as it relates to controlling our military, protecting our country, protecting shipping lanes, protecting our allies.

00:14:21.000 He has broad powers.

00:14:22.000 Remember, if you look at the Constitution, the Congress has the power to declare war, not make war, right?

00:14:29.000 And so there's a difference there.

00:14:30.000 And the founders actually debated that.

00:14:32.000 If you go back and look at the Federalist papers, they intentionally changed that language from make war to declare war to give the president more leeway, more running room to protect our country.

00:14:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm mostly just worried that, you know, if the future elections don't go our way, that they're going to try and throw Secretary Hegseth in the gulag.

00:14:56.000 I doubt they would.

00:14:57.000 I think there's probably a, I mean, I guess I shouldn't say they won't because there's really no limit to the damage the left might do to the country in a fit of peak.

00:15:06.000 But I think historically, at least, there would be a very strong bipartisan hesitancy to have our military leaders be second-guessing actions they take because they're just going to get prosecuted for it.

00:15:17.000 You sound like another party at that point.

00:15:18.000 Because at that point, if they're going to throw out that, they could do it for probably any other military action as well.

00:15:24.000 I think you'd need a more clear-cut unanimity on it being something completely unacceptable, you know, massacre a village in Vietnam where they had evidence that was clear that they were only civilians, for example.

00:15:38.000 Mike, we've got only about a minute and a half left in this segment, but I wanted to play this cut from Judge Janine, or I guess U.S. Attorney Janine Pirro, 291.

00:15:47.000 There certainly was an effort to misclassify, mischaracterize certain categories of crime.

00:15:54.000 And it was an attempt to make crime look lower than it was.

00:15:58.000 And the investigation that we conducted over a period of several months based upon the report of the deflation of numbers was very thorough.

00:16:07.000 As you indicated, over 6,000 reports were looked at, over 50 witnesses, and those witnesses were rank and file from the top down.

00:16:15.000 But the bottom line here is this.

00:16:18.000 Now we're in a situation with President Trump and the Attorney General Pam Bondi, where every case is being looked at.

00:16:24.000 Every case is being reviewed by my office.

00:16:27.000 My question's quick here, Mike.

00:16:30.000 What can you do?

00:16:30.000 I guess state level, other states are probably cooking the books on crime stats as well, but at least in D.C., there is some federal control.

00:16:38.000 How do you fix this?

00:16:38.000 Who can you hold accountable?

00:16:40.000 I would open a criminal probe because if you are making false statements to the federal government with your crime statistics in order to get, for example, more grant money, you could be charged for that.

00:16:52.000 You could be charged for fraud.

00:16:53.000 You could be charged for conspiracy.

00:16:55.000 So can Judge be charged with that?

00:16:57.000 Can Janine Piro do that? 1.00

00:16:59.000 She could.

00:17:00.000 I think that she should look more closely at this.

00:17:03.000 Mike Davis, thanks for the time, my friend.

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00:17:06.000 Thank you.

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00:18:08.000 All right, so Senator Mikely, welcome back to the show.

00:18:12.000 It's great to have you.

00:18:12.000 Thank you for making the time.

00:18:14.000 There has been a raging debate online, and then I think Mark Wayne Mullen, one of your Senate colleagues, who also comes on the show often, sort of seemed like he was now open to the idea of nuking the filibuster.

00:18:26.000 I had all these questions.

00:18:27.000 Why would if we don't, you know, you got Mitch McConnell, you got Susan Collins, Murkowski.

00:18:32.000 I don't know what you could even get accomplished if you do nuke the filibuster.

00:18:36.000 And then you came out with this tweet, 308.

00:18:39.000 You say the chronic abuse of the Senate 60-vote cloture standard must come to an end now.

00:18:44.000 The Senate GOP must immediately start fighting cloture abuse by, among other things, requiring senators to debate.

00:18:51.000 So lay out how this is distinct from just nuking the filibuster.

00:18:57.000 Look, these are all ways that we're focused on to try to end filibuster abuse and cloture abuse.

00:19:04.000 And first, let me explain what cloture is and what the filibuster is.

00:19:09.000 The Senate, from the very beginning of its existence for, you know, nearly two and a half centuries, has had, as a general rule, unlimited debate that you allow as long as any senator wants to debate, debate will continue.

00:19:26.000 Now, starting about a century ago, I think it was maybe in 1917, they came up with a means by which they could bring debate to a close.

00:19:36.000 Initially, it required a 3-4 supermajority that was later lowered to a two-thirds supermajority.

00:19:41.000 It's now a three-fifths supermajority and has been there for about 50 years.

00:19:47.000 Meaning in a 100-vote Senate, you've got to have 60 votes from 60 different senators to bring debate to a close.

00:19:55.000 Then and only then can you bring debate to a close.

00:19:57.000 So the whole point of this cloture rule, it's not to create a de facto 60-vote threshold for passing legislation itself.

00:20:08.000 It often has that effect, but really the purpose of it is to extend debate unless we're until you get 60 votes to bring debate to a close.

00:20:15.000 Here's what it's metastasized into, though.

00:20:18.000 What it's turned into is something very interesting.

00:20:21.000 It's turned into people saying, well, I don't want to vote for it.

00:20:25.000 I won't support cloture.

00:20:28.000 Therefore, I don't have to debate it. 0.97

00:20:30.000 And I can kill it simply by refusing to support cloture.

00:20:36.000 But then we don't require them to debate.

00:20:38.000 And so this allows them a cheap and easy way of creating a de facto 60-vote threshold for passing legislation.

00:20:45.000 That's not how it's supposed to work.

00:20:47.000 The point is this.

00:20:48.000 If we enforce the cloture rule, we could end cloture abuse and we could end this perpetual tailchasing model in which even when Republicans control the Senate and the House and the White House, as we currently do, we just take all sorts of things off the table.

00:21:06.000 We can't accomplish this.

00:21:07.000 We can't accomplish that.

00:21:08.000 Why?

00:21:09.000 Well, because we don't have 60 votes.

00:21:11.000 There are other ways that break through this.

00:21:13.000 You enforce the rules by requiring them to debate.

00:21:16.000 And then the minute they stop debating, either because you've physically exhausted them or because they have exhausted their right to continue speaking.

00:21:25.000 We have a number of rules about that, including you can only speak twice on the same legislative day on the same discrete legislative matter.

00:21:32.000 If they have exhausted either themselves physically or their right to speak, that moment you can call the vote and that vote is cast as simple majority threshold and you can get a lot passed.

00:21:43.000 We haven't been doing that.

00:21:44.000 We need to get back into that business.

00:21:46.000 Yeah, that's so you're basically, you know, you've seen these, Senator Cruz did the marathon.

00:21:52.000 You had Corey Booker do these marathons.

00:21:54.000 Is that kind of what, if we change the rules, I have a question about how you would actually change it, but if we actually started enforcing in-person, you know, IRL debate on the floor of the Senate, that's what you would basically start seeing is you'd start seeing 50 senators doing marathon debate to try and outlast their opponent, basically.

00:22:14.000 That's right.

00:22:16.000 The problem with today's filibuster is that it's not really a filibuster.

00:22:20.000 It's not Jimmy Stewart speaking until he collapses on the Senate floor.

00:22:25.000 So at no point have Democrats this year, while we've held the Senate and the House and the White House, at no point have Democrats been forced to go down to the floor and talk without stopping to defend their terrible policies until they have to go to the bathroom or get some sleep or until everybody who wants to speak and debate on it have exhausted their ability to do so.

00:22:47.000 That is what most Americans justifiably understand the filibuster to be.

00:22:51.000 And it's not happening because we're not enforcing our own rules.

00:22:54.000 Yeah, I'm seeing this could have the beneficial side effect.

00:22:56.000 It might force some earlier retirements by some guys who just say, I'm not up for eight hours.

00:23:02.000 You'd start having to elect in the primaries like based on like youth and vigor because we need a guy that can actually like stand on the Senate floor to block.

00:23:11.000 It's like drafting a hockey team.

00:23:12.000 This guy's not quite as based on the policies, but he has great stamina.

00:23:15.000 Yeah, great stamina.

00:23:16.000 This is what we've done with Supreme Court.

00:23:18.000 It's like, what are they, 37?

00:23:20.000 Yeah, let's do it.

00:23:20.000 Let's do that.

00:23:23.000 That's interesting.

00:23:23.000 So how would you go about changing the rules?

00:23:25.000 What needs to happen?

00:23:26.000 Could this be Majority Leader Thune?

00:23:29.000 Could he get this done?

00:23:30.000 Essentially, yes.

00:23:32.000 So that's the beauty of this thing, Andrew, is that no rules change is required.

00:23:38.000 We don't have to do anything to change them because the rules not only already allow this, the rules already contemplate that this is what a filibuster is.

00:23:48.000 So remember, Democrats have been able to use just the mere concept of a talking filibuster to grind things from a halt.

00:23:55.000 And we've allowed them to do that because we haven't enforced it.

00:23:58.000 So yes, if we adopted this standpoint, the majority leader in consultation with whoever is sitting in the presiding officer's chair at the moment decides that we're going to begin enforcing this.

00:24:15.000 And the minute they're not there to debate, either because they physically don't want to or because they can't, because they've exhausted their right to do so under our existing rules, then you call the question, meaning you call the vote on that matter.

00:24:29.000 And when there's nobody there debating it, the passage, the passage of that legislation is set at a simple majority.

00:24:39.000 That is a really, I mean, it does strike me.

00:24:42.000 When I saw you tweet this out, Senator, I was like, this is, I mean, you do think of the Senate being the premier legislative body in the world, that you think of all this vigorous debate that happens on the Senate floor, but it's really not like that.

00:24:56.000 It's a bunch of grandstanding for clips.

00:24:59.000 And so you can post them on social and you can, you know, take cheap shots at your opponents without them answering back.

00:25:05.000 And then you don't really debate.

00:25:07.000 That's the whole point of cloture is that you just, you, you stave off actual vigorous debate.

00:25:12.000 And it wouldn't the Senate be benefited by this back and forth of ideas.

00:25:16.000 I mean, it does strike me that this is, you're, you're sort of getting it back to its original purpose.

00:25:22.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:25:24.000 No, I will be clear.

00:25:26.000 There are times when real debate does happen on the Senate floor.

00:25:29.000 Sometimes it's in slow motion, but sometimes there's no debate going on at all, which brings us back to how we would do this.

00:25:39.000 The only real catch here, what's difficult about this, I don't mean to describe this as easy.

00:25:44.000 And I don't mean to suggest that the minute we decided to do this, we could and would immediately pass everything that we wanted without any hitch or without any difficulty.

00:25:53.000 That's not true.

00:25:54.000 But it gives us the opportunity to do that.

00:25:57.000 And I think in many cases, we would be able to pass things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to do.

00:26:03.000 But here's the catch.

00:26:04.000 The catch is that Republicans would need as the majority party in the Senate would need to show up and spend significant time on the Senate floor.

00:26:13.000 The Republican leadership sounds caught in terror.

00:26:17.000 Yeah, right.

00:26:18.000 I mean, but that is what we signed up for.

00:26:20.000 We've often been told as senators, you know, if you don't want to fight fires, don't become a firefighter.

00:26:27.000 And if you don't want to cast difficult votes at inconvenient times, don't become a lawmaker.

00:26:32.000 Don't come to the United States Senate.

00:26:36.000 If we decided as a conference we're going to do this, there's a lot more that we could accomplish.

00:26:42.000 And we could do it this way without having to change a single rule.

00:26:46.000 It really is the natural fulfillment of what the filibuster is supposed to be.

00:26:51.000 Right now, we don't have real filibusters.

00:26:53.000 We just have chronic cloture abuse.

00:26:56.000 And then we deceive the public into thinking that the reason we can't do some of the things that we want to do is because we don't have 60 votes.

00:27:04.000 Well, it's been over 100 years since Republicans have had 60 votes in the Senate, that three-fifths supermajority.

00:27:10.000 And you can't blame it all on the filibuster.

00:27:14.000 You can blame it on the 17th.

00:27:16.000 You can blame it on the 17th.

00:27:18.000 But that's, you know, I hadn't even, yeah, I haven't even thought about that, Senator.

00:27:22.000 It's been over 100 years since we've had 60 Republican senators.

00:27:25.000 hundred years i mean if we think we're ever going so my big thing senator lee is that i want immigration reform That's what I think that I think it is the switch that you could flip that would solve a ton of our problems.

00:27:38.000 That's me personally.

00:27:39.000 I think there's a lot of energy for that in the base.

00:27:42.000 But we're never going to get there with this Democrat Party.

00:27:46.000 But here's my concern: even if we got there, we nuked the filibuster.

00:27:51.000 We don't have enough votes to do anything important, anyways.

00:27:53.000 So the question is: you know, will Senator Thune, have you pitched this to Senator Thune, Leader Thune, have you pitched this to the president, the White House?

00:28:01.000 Is this something that could actually gain momentum and traction and become a thing?

00:28:05.000 I have pitched it to the president.

00:28:07.000 I've pitched it to Leader Thune.

00:28:08.000 I've pitched it to Senate Republicans.

00:28:10.000 I've pitched it to the White House staff.

00:28:13.000 And I have yet to hear anyone identify a reason why it couldn't work.

00:28:19.000 Sometimes people will point out correctly what the difficulty could be.

00:28:24.000 And the difficulty is exactly what I just described it as, which is that it would require attendance and prolonged attendance at inconvenient hours.

00:28:34.000 But nobody has explained any reason why it wouldn't work.

00:28:37.000 And while there are some difficulties inherent in that, I think we owe that to the American people.

00:28:44.000 At a time when we've had millions upon millions of people coming into our country illegally over the last four years, at a time when our laws are making it very difficult, but is becoming obvious in litigation pending now in the District of Columbia over our ability to deport those individuals who came in unlawfully, given the now huge backlog we have in our immigration courts.

00:29:09.000 Yes.

00:29:09.000 We've got to have reform in that area.

00:29:10.000 We need permitting reform.

00:29:11.000 We need regulatory reform.

00:29:12.000 We need to pass the Reigns Act.

00:29:14.000 All these things could benefit from this strategy.

00:29:16.000 I think it's brilliant.

00:29:18.000 I think I don't see a good example or a good reason to not do it, as you said.

00:29:22.000 And senators should be pulling long hours. 0.99

00:29:24.000 Our U.S. senators should be pulling very long hours. 0.74

00:29:27.000 Senator Mike Lee, a really amazing idea.

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00:30:36.000 We're just, Blake and I were imagining all these octogenarians in the Senate just trying to pull all-nighters and stand up on their own two feet.

00:30:46.000 I bet they maybe they pull in, you know, like a chair for some of the oldies. 0.99

00:30:50.000 Dick Durbin's 81.

00:30:52.000 Richard Blumenthal is that's funny, 79 to 80 years old.

00:30:56.000 I guess that's that's older than I thought.

00:30:59.000 Chuck Grassley's the oldest at 92.

00:31:02.000 Chuck Schumer's 75.

00:31:03.000 Elizabeth Warren is 76.

00:31:06.000 And let's see here.

00:31:08.000 Bernie Sanders has got to be like, what, like 80?

00:31:10.000 Sanders is 84.

00:31:11.000 84.

00:31:12.000 As you said, Sanders, he kind of comes off like he can still hang.

00:31:16.000 He's an energetic 84.

00:31:17.000 So the whole time I was doing that interview with Senator Lee, I was like, Blake's probably sitting here just spinning his twiddling his thumbs, going, why it won't work.

00:31:26.000 And that bothered me to feel your energy.

00:31:30.000 Appreciate that the senator wants more real debate in the Senate.

00:31:33.000 It's sort of a funny thing.

00:31:34.000 You can read about these great debates in the United States House and in the United States Senate in the 1800s.

00:31:40.000 You have this speech on the Senate floor that's so fiery by Charles Sumner that this guy from South Carolina comes in and beats him over the head with a cane in front of everybody because the senators would be there and debate in person.

00:31:52.000 And they don't anymore.

00:31:53.000 You get this myth because of C-SPAN that they're doing that, but they're not.

00:31:57.000 They're just speaking to an empty hall and some yawning tourists.

00:32:00.000 I think you imagine it more like the Oxford Union.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, where they still do that.

00:32:06.000 They still do that in the UK.

00:32:08.000 They have prime minister's questions.

00:32:09.000 The PM goes in.

00:32:11.000 Everyone's there.

00:32:12.000 And they still have a tradition.

00:32:14.000 I would love to.

00:32:14.000 You have the people there to debate.

00:32:15.000 I would love to see that.

00:32:16.000 We've lost that.

00:32:17.000 It would be good to restore that.

00:32:19.000 That said, I think this is just a slightly different dressed up way to nuke the filibuster.

00:32:23.000 I mean, yeah, it's it, but I actually do think I was compelled by a return to what it should be, what it was supposed to be.

00:32:32.000 And I actually think leader Thun should keep, like, just totally reform it so they have to go back to it.

00:32:37.000 Stick to my position.

00:32:38.000 It's worth getting rid of if you have good legislation that you will pass.

00:32:41.000 If you don't, what's the point?

00:32:44.000 Yeah, well, immigration is the North Star. 1.00

00:32:47.000 I'm telling you. 0.62

00:32:49.000 Go ahead and throw up.

00:32:50.000 I don't know if this is, is this B-roll?

00:32:51.000 Is this audio?

00:32:52.000 Anyways, 3.10.

00:32:54.000 This is from Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action.

00:32:58.000 And this is him entering the venue this morning, 310.

00:33:03.000 And there's just beautiful presentation.

00:33:07.000 It's got images of Charlie.

00:33:09.000 There's some like, I don't even know.

00:33:11.000 They put decals on the floor and they look like they kind of glow or whatever.

00:33:15.000 So that's just, that's one of the entry points into Amfest.

00:33:19.000 And it's, I mean, it's phenomenal.

00:33:22.000 So tonight, we're going to have Russell Brand, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Erica Kirk is going to welcome us in and more.

00:33:31.000 And then tomorrow, obviously, day two, lots of speakers, tons of breakouts.

00:33:35.000 If you want to check out the agenda, you can go to tpsa.com/slash agenda if you want to see everything that's going on.

00:33:43.000 We're going to have the thought crime crew together at 1:30 tomorrow?

00:33:48.000 Local.

00:33:49.000 1.30, I think.

00:33:50.000 Yeah, 1.30 local, 3:30 Eastern.

00:33:52.000 So we're going to be doing that from Expo Hall.

00:33:53.000 We got this big trailer.

00:33:55.000 So Jack, Cliff Maloney, me, Tyler, you.

00:33:58.000 And then we'll probably do some QA with the students, which will be really fun.

00:34:01.000 And then we've got a prove me wrong at that same location.

00:34:06.000 Megan Kelly's doing it.

00:34:07.000 Michael Knowles is doing it.

00:34:08.000 Lots of different folks are going to be doing that.

00:34:10.000 We're capturing all that content, the back and forth with the students.

00:34:13.000 So keeping Charlie's legacy of doing that alive at Amfest.

00:34:17.000 And I think last year was the first year he actually did a prove me wrong inside the Expo hall.

00:34:21.000 I think so, yeah.

00:34:23.000 I don't think that many people were trying to prove him wrong on anything.

00:34:26.000 It was fun questions.

00:34:26.000 I was like, you know, which team is better?

00:34:29.000 Sports questions, football questions, ragging on his Chicago page.

00:34:33.000 What time do we begin the stream today?

00:34:35.000 Because we've had a few questions about that.

00:34:37.000 The stream is probably going to start, I believe, at around 4.45.

00:34:45.000 Or 4:30.

00:34:47.000 6:30.

00:34:48.000 Eastern.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, because we've got Pastor John Amanchukwu is going to start us.

00:34:55.000 And then we've got, yeah, so we've got, so it's updated.

00:34:59.000 Erica Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Russell Brand, Michael Knowles, Tucker Carlson.

00:35:03.000 And then there's a concert tonight with Nate Smith.

00:35:06.000 And that is starting, probably, I would say we'll probably start the stream at 4.30.

00:35:10.000 And then programming begins at 4.50.

00:35:12.000 And I'll get, again, that's local time.

00:35:13.000 So keep it on Eastern.

00:35:15.000 6.30 begins at 6.45, probably is when the programming begins Eastern.

00:35:21.000 So you're going to check it out.

00:35:22.000 And you can get that on rumble.com for streaming.

00:35:25.000 If you want to watch it on Real America's Voice, Real America's Voice will also have it.

00:35:29.000 And it's going to be a great weekend.

00:35:31.000 It's going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal weekend.

00:35:33.000 And I think to some of the themes that we were talking about before, Blake, that I just think the movement is hungry for a moment where we get to see all these disparate voices, these competing viewpoints come together in one big event that's big enough to hold them all.

00:35:47.000 That's the goal.

00:35:49.000 Now it's not big enough to hold them all.

00:35:51.000 That's the amazing thing.

00:35:52.000 And that's always what Charlie wanted.

00:35:54.000 He wanted the stadium event.

00:35:56.000 We had that.

00:35:57.000 He wanted the event.

00:35:59.000 He wanted it to grow so huge, Phoenix itself wasn't big enough.

00:36:02.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 And we are going to announce some big news about that for next year.

00:36:07.000 But we're not ready yet, okay?

00:36:10.000 There's stuff going on behind the scenes about the Super Bowl halftime show.

00:36:14.000 Actually, I said that wrong.

00:36:16.000 The halftime show, the All-American, forgive me.

00:36:18.000 That is not our branding.

00:36:20.000 The physically large game.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, halftime show.

00:36:23.000 I apologize.

00:36:24.000 And so there's news that we'll have there.

00:36:26.000 There's news about next year.

00:36:28.000 And if you want to get tickets and you weren't able to for Amfest this year, go to amfest.com to pre-order your tickets for next year with a discount.

00:36:36.000 We will see you tomorrow from the floor of AmericaFest.

00:36:39.000 Talk to you then.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 19, 2025

Jack Smith: The Prosecutor Becomes the Prosecuted?

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