The Charlie Kirk Show - February 17, 2022


James O'Keefe + Devin Nunes—EXPOSING the FDA, Durham's Next Move, and Truth Social's Debut


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James O'Keefe talks about his bombshell report from the FDA, and Deban Nunez talks about TruthSocial s new show about truth and lies. Join us as we take a look at what the FDA is up to, and why it needs to stop.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's And the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 James O'Keefe and Debin Nunez.
00:00:03.000 James O'Keeffe talks about his bombshell report from the FDA and Deban Unez about Truth Social.
00:00:08.000 Phenomenal episode.
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00:00:34.000 Important episode.
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00:01:22.000 Momentarily, we will be joined by the great James O'Keefe from Project Veritas.com.
00:01:28.000 Let's play Cut 63.
00:01:29.000 FDA executive officer Christopher Cole on Hidden Camera saying you're going to have to get an annual COVID shot, Cut 63.
00:01:36.000 Biden wants to inoculate as many people as possible.
00:01:39.000 So you have to get an annual shot.
00:01:41.000 I mean, it has to formally announce it.
00:01:44.000 So you don't want to like violate the drug companies, the food companies, the vaccine companies.
00:01:51.000 They pay us hundreds of millions of dollars a year to hire and keep the reviewers to approve their products.
00:01:58.000 If they can get every person required an annual vaccine, that is a recurring return of money.
00:02:07.000 This is a big video from James O'Keefe.
00:02:09.000 This one's not getting as much traction as others, and it just seems as if he's doing so many of these videos, it's hard to even comprehend how he gets them.
00:02:19.000 But this is Christopher Cole, who is the executive director of the Food and Drug Administration.
00:02:26.000 He's the guy that's in charge of approving vaccines or drugs.
00:02:32.000 Now, the part that's getting some of the headlines is that you'll have to get your annual shot.
00:02:36.000 Okay.
00:02:37.000 That's not very revealing, but the part to hear him actually say out loud and be so forthright about is like, yeah, this is how the companies make their money.
00:02:49.000 It's basically an annuity.
00:02:51.000 If they're able to mandate annual vaccinations, they're able to build their profit models off of that.
00:02:58.000 Let's go to Cut 64.
00:03:00.000 Christopher Cole continues to explain how the annual COVID vaccine will gradually be pushed to the public.
00:03:06.000 Cut 64.
00:03:07.000 I think what's going to happen is it's going to be a gradual thing.
00:03:11.000 School's going to mandate it.
00:03:12.000 Why do they need the third one?
00:03:14.000 For the same reason that you or I would be the third one.
00:03:17.000 So the tree will bolster your system.
00:03:20.000 And then there will be an annual, eventually an annual, just like the flu shot.
00:03:24.000 For the toddlers?
00:03:26.000 Well, for everyone.
00:03:27.000 I don't completely agree with their process.
00:03:32.000 What do you mean you don't agree with the process?
00:03:34.000 Well, I mean, they don't have all the tests aren't there.
00:03:38.000 So I agree with the thing that it is important to inoculate them, but you can't provide the parent as much assurance as you normally want to.
00:03:49.000 Did you hear that?
00:03:50.000 That's the FDA executive director talking about vaccines for children, saying he doesn't agree with the FDA's process because they don't do all the necessary tests.
00:04:00.000 So you cannot guarantee safety as much as you usually want to.
00:04:06.000 That's the head of the FDA.
00:04:08.000 It's the executive director of the Food and Drug Administration saying you get the annual shot.
00:04:17.000 They're going to make a bunch of money off of it. 0.92
00:04:20.000 It'll be gradually pushed on the public.
00:04:23.000 I don't agree with how the FDA is doing this because they don't do all the tests correctly because you can't guarantee safety.
00:04:31.000 Wait, are you trying to say that the emergency youth authorization done with this vaccine has been completely safe and effective?
00:04:38.000 Everything that we've been saying this entire time, and guess what?
00:04:40.000 We're free to say it because we're on rumble.com right now.
00:04:43.000 So I'm not on YouTube.
00:04:44.000 So I can talk openly about this.
00:04:46.000 Play cut 65, Christopher Cole says how the approval process for emergency use is less stringent, and he admits that COVID is not a risk for the young age groups because it's under COVID.
00:04:59.000 They're able to because it's under the emergency approval process.
00:05:04.000 I just want to stop.
00:05:05.000 I want to give our team credit, our whole research team.
00:05:09.000 We have been saying this for months and slandered by the dishonest hacks in the media for spewing anti-vaccine propaganda for saying what now the FDA executive director is saying on private camera.
00:05:26.000 Play cut 65.
00:05:27.000 It's an EUA for all age groups, all designations, and then you have to get approved by specific age groups based on the study.
00:05:37.000 Do you think it's really an emergency for the toddlers?
00:05:40.000 Well, they're all approved under an emergency.
00:05:43.000 The efficacy data doesn't have to be as high.
00:05:46.000 Yeah.
00:05:47.000 His standard is on emergency use authorizations is that it does more benefit than harm.
00:05:53.000 I thought their cases weren't that high for six-month four-year-olds.
00:05:56.000 They're not, but because it's related to COVID, it's under that approval process.
00:06:02.000 Now, I know what you're thinking.
00:06:04.000 How does James O'Keefe keep on getting these guys on camera, CNN, Pfizer, and all this?
00:06:10.000 Well, if you were listening to that video carefully, I don't think you should be that surprised.
00:06:16.000 That was probably an attractive woman working for Project Veritas in a, let's say, alcohol-filled environment going out to dinner with an aging old man in power. 1.00
00:06:30.000 It's like James O'Keefe read the KGB playbook.
00:06:34.000 And honestly, I love it.
00:06:35.000 What this individual said very clearly, the FDA, Christopher Cole was his name, was he said the approval process for emergency use is much less stringent, and he admits that COVID is not even a risk.
00:06:50.000 So if you put together these three tapes, these bombshell tapes from James O'Keefe, and he says you're going to have to get your annual shot.
00:06:57.000 They're only doing it to try to make money.
00:07:00.000 He says the annual COVID vaccine will be gradually pushed upon the public.
00:07:04.000 By the way, let me just pause.
00:07:05.000 This is not some sort of desk worker or kind of paperwork guy.
00:07:09.000 This is the executive director of the Food and Drug Administration.
00:07:15.000 This is the top.
00:07:16.000 This is the head of the entire FDA, executive director.
00:07:21.000 He then goes on to say that: look, I don't agree with the tests we're doing.
00:07:25.000 Oh, really?
00:07:26.000 Who then does the test at the FDA if the executive director doesn't agree with them?
00:07:30.000 Who is overriding the executive director?
00:07:33.000 This is like Church and Pike Committee type stuff that we could start around FDA approvals and pharmaceutical influence.
00:07:41.000 Christopher Cole on the approval process says that the emergency use is much less stringent, and he admits that COVID is not a risk for the young age groups, but because it's under COVID, they're able to do it because it's under the EUA, the emergency use authorization.
00:07:58.000 I remember when we did a whole segment on what an EUA was, emergency use authorization, and we were slandered and we were attacked, saying, There's no difference.
00:08:07.000 This thing is not under EUA.
00:08:09.000 It's actually better that it's like this. 0.99
00:08:11.000 Sit down and shut up. 0.99
00:08:12.000 You should be really thankful that it's this way. 0.99
00:08:15.000 Now, they're saying out loud the exact same thing we've been warning against the whole time.
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00:09:42.000 We are here with the great James O'Keefe Project Veritas.
00:09:46.000 Project Veritas.com is where you can support him.
00:09:49.000 James, we played the videos before.
00:09:51.000 Congratulations on another great drop.
00:09:53.000 The floor is yours.
00:09:54.000 Walk us through it.
00:09:55.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:09:56.000 It's great to be with you.
00:09:56.000 This is an FDA executive officer on Hidden Camera revealing these things that do not shock us, but confirm suspicions, saying, quote, you'll have to get an annual shot.
00:10:07.000 Biden wants to inoculate as many people as possible.
00:10:11.000 They're not going to not approve the emergency authorization for toddlers with these COVID shots.
00:10:17.000 And this is Christopher Cole not knowing he was being recorded in a restaurant at the FDA.
00:10:24.000 Now, Charlie, the FDA has issued us a statement, which is one of the first times we've ever gotten a statement from a federal agency, which should tell you something.
00:10:33.000 They're taking this quite seriously to give me an on-the-record statement.
00:10:36.000 And that statement reads: the person purportedly in the video, they're saying he's purportedly in the video, not in the video, does not work on vaccine matters and does not represent the views of the FDA.
00:10:50.000 Now, I went back to Christopher Cole, and we'll see a video on this here momentarily, actually.
00:10:55.000 We're going to publish any minute now.
00:10:57.000 The 35-minute conversation I had with him, where he said he did work on emergency authorizations of the vaccine.
00:11:04.000 So, and we have a part two coming out this evening, Charlie.
00:11:08.000 But this is the Food and Drug Administration executive officer caught on tape saying that it's a fountain of revenue.
00:11:16.000 They give us the money and we rubber stamp what's going on with these big pharmaceutical companies.
00:11:22.000 I mean, we can see why James O'Keefe was targeted by the Southern District of New York.
00:11:27.000 You're getting right at the source of all this.
00:11:29.000 So, James, I have to just ask: how did you get this?
00:11:32.000 Are you able to reveal how you got this video?
00:11:35.000 The circumstance, the scenario of it?
00:11:37.000 I'm just curious.
00:11:38.000 It's so interesting.
00:11:39.000 Well, we met with this man four or five times.
00:11:43.000 He knew that he was meeting with someone.
00:11:45.000 He did not know he was meeting with a journalist.
00:11:48.000 And when I spoke to him on the phone, you'll see this come out again momentarily.
00:11:53.000 He said, well, I didn't know I was being recorded.
00:11:56.000 I was speaking privately.
00:11:57.000 You're in a public place, sir.
00:11:59.000 You're in a restaurant with people overhearing you.
00:12:03.000 And you were divulging all these things about the FDA to basically a stranger that you just met.
00:12:11.000 That stranger works for Project Veritas.
00:12:13.000 So, and you mentioned in Vino Veritas, he was drinking.
00:12:17.000 Well, I mean, we have hours of tape.
00:12:19.000 So in much of this tape, he's not drinking at all.
00:12:22.000 He's actually one of the most well-spoken, straightforward guys.
00:12:26.000 He said to me, Well, you know, I misspoke.
00:12:28.000 And I said, Which part?
00:12:29.000 What did you misspeak about?
00:12:31.000 And actually, I tried to recruit him to be an on-the-record whistleblower.
00:12:35.000 So, yeah, we go undercover.
00:12:38.000 Sometimes we obtain meetings with people using an element of pretense, but he knew he was being interviewed.
00:12:45.000 He just didn't know he was talking to a journalist.
00:12:48.000 No, and I didn't mean the alcohol thing negative.
00:12:50.000 I think it actually lends credibility to your argument.
00:12:54.000 It makes people open up.
00:12:55.000 It makes them be more honest.
00:12:56.000 I think it's brilliant.
00:12:57.000 How can people support you, James?
00:12:59.000 You keep on hitting grand slams.
00:13:01.000 Talk about just some of the body of work you've done in this topic and how people can get behind you and amplify this message.
00:13:07.000 Well, the first thing they should do is download the clip from our Telegram page and upload it into your Twitter and Instagram.
00:13:14.000 This video, Charlie, had over a million views on Twitter and it was taken down.
00:13:18.000 Now, why are they banning videos featuring their beloved federal government people talking?
00:13:25.000 Aren't we supposed to trust the experts?
00:13:26.000 This guy's an expert.
00:13:28.000 He's an executive officer at the FDA.
00:13:31.000 So they're saying, well, misinformation.
00:13:32.000 Well, which part?
00:13:33.000 I'm quoting the FDA.
00:13:35.000 It's like, well, I'm quoting the CDC.
00:13:37.000 Are they going to take it down for misinformation?
00:13:39.000 This is, you can see this guy's lips moving.
00:13:41.000 He's the one saying this, not me.
00:13:44.000 So I think what we want you to do to support Project Veritas, so to speak, is just to broadcast this video and upload it into your story and your post on Instagram and your Twitter.
00:13:56.000 Because we have a part two coming, and this one is a doozy.
00:13:59.000 He's talking all about the gravy train, the money coming up, the fountain of revenue, to quote his words.
00:14:04.000 That's coming out at seven o'clock tonight, Charlie.
00:14:06.000 So please share these videos.
00:14:08.000 I think it's terrific.
00:14:09.000 James, you keep on going places that no other journalist is able to get done.
00:14:14.000 It's really some of the most important work being done for the freedom movement and pro-American movement.
00:14:18.000 It's not even political.
00:14:19.000 It's not, there's nothing.
00:14:21.000 There should be nothing political about the FDA.
00:14:23.000 It doesn't mention Republican or Democrat.
00:14:24.000 It's just talking about, oh, yeah, we have a fountain of revenue and we want kids to get vaccinated. 0.92
00:14:28.000 It's disgusting.
00:14:29.000 And you've done a great job, James, of uncovering it.
00:14:32.000 You can come on anytime to talk about that.
00:14:34.000 And everyone, go check out James's book, American Muckraker.
00:14:37.000 It's terrific.
00:14:38.000 James, thank you so much for joining us.
00:14:39.000 Sorry I had to be so short.
00:14:40.000 Thank you, Charlie.
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00:16:05.000 Finally, we have a response.
00:16:08.000 We have a response to the tyranny of Twitter and all this nonsense that we've seen over the last year.
00:16:14.000 It took about 13 months to get it finalized, but it is ramping up.
00:16:18.000 And I'm so excited to have with us the man behind it, who is a phenomenal congressman and will make an even better CEO, the man behind Truth Social, which will be Donald Trump's new social media app for all people that want free speech online.
00:16:32.000 Devin, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:16:34.000 Charlie, it's great to be with you.
00:16:35.000 It's such an honor and so timely because, as you know, we are bringing people on as quickly as possible.
00:16:42.000 So we're just trying to ramp this thing up.
00:16:45.000 And hopefully we will open the internet back up to America fully by the end of March.
00:16:51.000 And then hopefully go globally after that, as long as we can take the traffic.
00:16:55.000 So it's exciting times.
00:16:56.000 And we're glad to have you on.
00:16:58.000 And I know a lot of your listeners and followers will be getting on.
00:17:00.000 So you can sign up at this.
00:17:02.000 Is my plug, Charlie?
00:17:03.000 You know, I have to do this now, but you can sign up at truthsocial.com.
00:17:06.000 I love it.
00:17:07.000 Walk us through just the philosophy, the technology, all of it.
00:17:10.000 And it's pretty impressive how quickly you guys have been able to get this up.
00:17:14.000 And it's so sorely needed, especially ahead of the midterms.
00:17:16.000 And I think it could be a really valuable company in this space.
00:17:19.000 Walk us through all that.
00:17:21.000 Well, the main thing that I like to say is we just want to make sure that we have quality and we have sustainability, meaning that, you know, it's impossible to have the hundreds of millions of investment and now billions of investment that have went into Facebook platforms, or I guess they call themselves meta, whatever the hell that means now.
00:17:40.000 And then, of course, you have Twitter and some of the other social media giants.
00:17:44.000 So we just have to make sure that it's a simple platform that everyone can use.
00:17:49.000 And we really want it to be family friendly.
00:17:51.000 And then, of course, we had to build it from the ground up, meaning that we couldn't rely on any of the big tech companies that have such a stranglehold over all the infrastructure and architecture.
00:18:03.000 So we've really built, you know, all of the software is our own for the most part.
00:18:10.000 Then we've got Rumble, which is a video alternative to YouTube.
00:18:16.000 They're also trying to get into the Amazon web service space.
00:18:20.000 So we're essentially riding on their rails for both video and cloud hosting.
00:18:25.000 And then we've got a few other partners, but that's essentially, we're trying to limit kind of those single points of failure where big tech could take us down.
00:18:34.000 So luckily right now, we are working with Apple.
00:18:37.000 Apple seems to want to work with us.
00:18:38.000 So many people have iPhones, and we really want to be on the app store.
00:18:42.000 So we're trying to, our goal here is to keep it very family friendly, keep it open to everyone.
00:18:48.000 Don't censor anyone for political debate and free speech.
00:18:53.000 Obviously, we're going to do our best to keep any of the illegal activity off the platform.
00:18:59.000 So that's kind of it in a nutshell.
00:19:02.000 But we are up and going and we are live and we are bringing people on as fast as possible.
00:19:10.000 It's very exciting.
00:19:11.000 And we're going to be using it a lot.
00:19:13.000 And we're actually streaming this conversation exclusively on Rumble right now.
00:19:18.000 Just wondering where we went.
00:19:20.000 Yeah, sorry.
00:19:20.000 We're actually streaming only on Rumble.
00:19:22.000 I can speak my mind.
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00:19:25.000 I'm really pleased to see that partnership.
00:19:28.000 So, Devin, some people are a little concerned, though.
00:19:31.000 I am not one of those people, but some people have messaged me.
00:19:34.000 They said, hey, family-friendly, is that code that you're going to be censoring things?
00:19:38.000 Can you walk us through that and put some people's minds at ease?
00:19:42.000 Well, we're just not a home for there's things that are illegal in this country in some states, right?
00:19:47.000 And so you have to have, you know, we have to have some type of this is not going to be a free-for-all because ultimately, you know, we would be responsible potentially, right?
00:19:56.000 For if something goes wrong.
00:19:59.000 So, you know, for example, I mean, there's laws on the books that are illegal and we're going to follow the law.
00:20:05.000 So, you know, we're going to open it up as much as possible.
00:20:08.000 But look, let's just talk about what do people really care about, right?
00:20:11.000 That is that if you want to talk about the election, you're not going to be censored.
00:20:15.000 If you want to talk about Hunter Biden laptop story, you're not going to be censored.
00:20:21.000 If you want to talk about whether you love vaccines, hate vaccines, the freedom truckers in Canada, you know, all of those things are going to be 100% fully allowed.
00:20:32.000 So, you know, we will, as you know, as we want to make the user experience as best as possible, and we're going to strive to do that.
00:20:40.000 So, look, it'll be a work in progress, right?
00:20:42.000 This is a new company.
00:20:44.000 We don't have the experience that a Twitter and a Facebook have, although we do know by watching them how horrible they are.
00:20:52.000 So, there's a lot of things that we don't want to do, but we want to try to do everything right so that we don't end up in a place where people are uncomfortable on the platform.
00:21:01.000 So, it's really all about our customers and our users, and that's what we're going to focus on.
00:21:05.000 And so, I hope that one of the things that people have to understand because we built this from the ground up, you know, this is not going, this is not an easy task.
00:21:14.000 So, you know, we are going to have pitfalls that we haven't seen.
00:21:18.000 We're going to have people trying to attack us.
00:21:20.000 We're going to have people trying to take us down, you know, from the big tech companies to the hard, extreme left to probably, you know, foreign actors are all going to try to take us down. 0.97
00:21:30.000 Because, look, let's face it, this is, you know, President Trump got put in a position where he had no other choice but to go out and build his own platform, right?
00:21:40.000 And I decided to leave Congress because I thought it was so important for the American people to have the internet open back up.
00:21:47.000 And that's what I'm charged to lead by President Trump.
00:21:49.000 And that's what I'm going to do.
00:21:51.000 And so the goal here is to get up, stay up as best as we can, welcome everybody onto the platform, which we which we are currently doing.
00:21:59.000 So it's, I hope that people will give us some, give us a little bit of slack here and just be, you know, and just try to help us.
00:22:07.000 If you have recommendations, things that you don't like, just tell us and we'll see if we can make changes.
00:22:12.000 Well, yeah, totally. 0.76
00:22:13.000 And I tell people, look, you don't want it to be 4chan, which is just a cesspool of garbage. 0.98
00:22:18.000 And Twitter allows outright pornography. 0.97
00:22:21.000 That's not good for anybody, right?
00:22:23.000 And really, the main censorship debate that we've had on the right has not been around like, oh, whether or not to allow pornography, that's disgusting.
00:22:32.000 It's why are you censoring people for ideas you don't like or for trying to challenge orthodoxies like around COVID or stuff like that?
00:22:40.000 That's always been the main focus of this.
00:22:43.000 And they'd love to kind of get our eyes off of that.
00:22:45.000 I think you're going to do a great job, Devin, on that.
00:22:48.000 So I want to talk to you about Durham and Spygate.
00:22:50.000 You more than any other member of Congress was you were on top of this thing from day one.
00:22:55.000 You were on top of the unmasking scandal and all of it.
00:22:58.000 I know you can't reveal confidential information and all this, but I was shocked to learn based on Durham's filing that there was back-end access into the White House while Trump was still president.
00:23:10.000 Walk us through that.
00:23:12.000 Maybe you knew about this years ago.
00:23:14.000 If you did, you deserve like a parade for not leaking that and actually being an ethical person.
00:23:20.000 So I guess my question is, did you know about it?
00:23:21.000 And what's your reaction to it?
00:23:22.000 No, I mean, look, if we would have known about this, we would have blown this sky high, right?
00:23:26.000 I mean, what we did is when we figured out, it took us a long time once we figured out that they were running spies into the campaign, when they were lying to a FISA court, when they were using a FISA to spy on the Trump campaign.
00:23:39.000 You know, if you recall, going back to 2017, it was very difficult, right?
00:23:44.000 Because you had the Moeller investigation that was completely fraudulent, made up of a bunch of political hacks that, by the way, I said this morning on Fox, they need to be investigated here also for all the shenanigans that they pulled.
00:23:56.000 But we had to follow the laws because they were looking for anything and everything they could do to shut down our investigation.
00:24:03.000 And so, you know, it took us almost six, seven months to bring all of that out into the open.
00:24:09.000 You may recall that we put that memo out in early 2018 so that all the world could know that this spying had occurred.
00:24:17.000 So clearly, Charlie, had I known that they were scraping information, not just from Trump's apartment, Trump Tower, some healthcare company who we still need to learn more about, but then penetrated the Oval Office is quite frankly, this is a major, major.
00:24:40.000 There's nothing like this in modern history.
00:24:44.000 The White House communication systems are supposed to be the strongest and most secure in the world. 0.90
00:24:51.000 And the fact that you could have somebody properly placed that would be able to access that and grab internet data and then share that data with political opponents is crap that you would only see in communist China. 0.63
00:25:04.000 So I was floored by this Friday night as we started to go through it when this was released.
00:25:10.000 And I think a lot of us are still grappling with this, that this happened.
00:25:17.000 It's just shocking.
00:25:19.000 I mean, it's totally shocking.
00:25:21.000 And I mean, this is already the greatest political scandal in American history.
00:25:25.000 It just got a lot worse.
00:25:26.000 The media will not be bothered by it at all.
00:25:28.000 They're too busy talking about, I don't know, how many genders there are or whatever the New York Times is investigating.
00:25:35.000 What is Durham's plan?
00:25:37.000 How much do you know about that?
00:25:39.000 Who could possibly be implicated?
00:25:41.000 And then talk briefly about Jake Sullivan's involvement.
00:25:45.000 So, well, let me take that question first.
00:25:47.000 So, one of the interesting things here, if you go through and look at the folks that were in the Obama administration and on the Hill and then subsequently later put on the Hillary campaign, all of those people essentially failed up.
00:26:02.000 Most of those people that were involved in the P-TAP hoax, spreading the Russian, the so-called steel dossier, spreading that around, are all in senior level positions in the Biden White House.
00:26:17.000 And so, you know, that I think is of interest, right?
00:26:21.000 So these people knew about all this.
00:26:24.000 They knew what they were doing was not only unethical, but likely illegal in many ways.
00:26:29.000 They would continue to push this, frame a presidential candidate, later frame President of the United States.
00:26:36.000 And they're all in high-level positions in the Obama or in Obama, which I might as well, it probably is basically the Obama White House.
00:26:44.000 But these are all people that have been, have failed up.
00:26:48.000 And so I don't know what's, you know, look, I guess I can say this, and this is an area where I do want to be careful.
00:26:55.000 We made 14 criminal referrals to Durham.
00:27:00.000 Those, and when I say 14, that's not 14 individuals.
00:27:04.000 It's dozens of people, some in multiple crimes that we identified to be investigated.
00:27:10.000 All we can do is turn that over to Durham.
00:27:13.000 And I will say this: I've been impressed by Durham for this reason.
00:27:18.000 It's the first investigation that I've been around in my time where you don't have a new leak every 24 hours that sets a new narrative that's fed to the fake news media complex.
00:27:29.000 From Durham, you've heard nothing except he's been following by the book, going into the court system and filing.
00:27:36.000 And then people will write what they write.
00:27:39.000 And that's essentially all he's doing.
00:27:41.000 Look, and that's the way that investigations are supposed to be run in this country.
00:27:46.000 Yeah, because, and they're trying to, they've always tried to just attack you in the public arena and then allow the courts to sort itself out.
00:27:53.000 It's it's death by process.
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00:29:20.000 You wanted to make one other point about Truth Social.
00:29:23.000 I think I cut you off before we got to the Durham topic.
00:29:26.000 Yeah, I was kind of joking that I, you know, I have plenty to say about True Social, but I guess the bottom line here is, is that, you know, we're going to, you know, this will always be a work in progress as we grow, as we bring on new users, right?
00:29:41.000 So I think people just need to understand that.
00:29:44.000 We want to be as friendly as a place as possible.
00:29:48.000 We want customers to have a great enjoyment and great engagement on the platform.
00:29:53.000 And we're trying to get to people as quickly as possible.
00:29:56.000 We're doing a lot of testing right now, making sure that there's quality and functionality.
00:30:04.000 That's the goal, and that we can't be canceled and we can't be shut down.
00:30:07.000 So you can go to truthsocial.com and sign up, and we'll continue to make progress here.
00:30:14.000 And our goal is to be fully operational in the United States by the end of March.
00:30:20.000 So in the couple minutes we have remaining, just to go back to the Durham point, I want to ask you, how much of this was actually what they did to Trump spying on him and how much of it was the cover-up?
00:30:20.000 Very good.
00:30:30.000 Talk about kind of both pieces of that because those are two simultaneous issues, I think, that at times people conflate.
00:30:36.000 Look, you've got a lot of different characters involved in this.
00:30:42.000 You know, probably the worst of all is the corruption of the intelligence agencies, the people at top levels of Department of Justice and FBI that were involved in this fiasco, in this scandal.
00:30:55.000 I would say, secondly, and almost as important, you had the media, the fake news media complex was involved in this.
00:31:04.000 And so that's why I think you mentioned this a little bit earlier in the last segment, but the fake news has ignored this for the most part because they were in on it.
00:31:18.000 The fact that they're not out there writing about a company having access to White House communications architecture and then sharing that with political enemies.
00:31:31.000 The reason they're not writing about this is the only reason all you hear are crickets, right?
00:31:36.000 They're so quiet.
00:31:37.000 That's all you can really hear because there's nothing else.
00:31:42.000 They're not talking.
00:31:43.000 The reason they're not talking is because they were involved.
00:31:47.000 There has to be emails, text messages going back and during the 2016 election by many people, the intelligence agencies and the campaign and the Obama White House.
00:31:59.000 And like we talked about, a lot of those people are now in the Biden White House.
00:32:05.000 So, you know, this is a, it's a complicated web to get to the bottom of it.
00:32:11.000 And hopefully everyone will pay the price.
00:32:14.000 The challenge here is, is that, you know, Congress, when writing these statutes, you know, after Watergate, a lot of these statutes were written.
00:32:23.000 I don't think anybody ever envisioned that FBI lawyer, for example, would lie to a court.
00:32:30.000 So the laws that are on the books are not clear.
00:32:33.000 And after we get through this dark chapter of American history, and hopefully people do pay a price, hopefully there are a lot of indictments.
00:32:41.000 It will then be up to Congress to go in and really strengthen these laws because I think that's one of the things that ultimately Durham will, Durham will not be able to prosecute some people because they were clever enough to maneuver around the law.
00:32:54.000 And that's why you had the Clinton campaign and everybody says Clinton, but this was the whole Democratic Party.
00:33:01.000 They cleverly hired lawyers to create this phony firewall to allow the lawyers to do a lot of their dirty work. 0.98
00:33:07.000 And I think that's one of the things.
00:33:09.000 This is just my observation from being around this.
00:33:12.000 It's probably taken Durham a long time just to kind of pierce through these lawyers.
00:33:19.000 And that's why we saw the lawyer or the indictment of one of the Democrat National Committee and Clinton lawyers.
00:33:25.000 It probably took a long time to get to there because a lot of this stuff was being laundered through them to go out and do a lot of the dirty work. 0.86
00:33:32.000 And that's kind of where we're at right now.
00:33:35.000 That's right.
00:33:37.000 Devin, thank you so much for joining us and great commentary as always.
00:33:41.000 Truthsocial.com.
00:33:42.000 That's truthsocial.com.
00:33:44.000 Everyone check it out.
00:33:44.000 Devin, thank you so much.
00:33:45.000 We really appreciate it.
00:33:47.000 Great to be with you.
00:33:50.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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