The Charlie Kirk Show - February 02, 2024


James O'Keefe Does Anything For the Scoop


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Charlie Kirk pretended to be on a gay date with Vice President Joe Biden. It's hilarious, and it's probably one of the funniest things he's ever done. James O'Keefe joins us to talk about it, and why you need to act.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, entire episode with James O'Keefe.
00:00:03.000 We talk about his recent story where he pretended to be go on a gay date.
00:00:08.000 It's hilarious.
00:00:09.000 You're going to love this one and the huge story.
00:00:11.000 And then we just talk about the need to act.
00:00:12.000 James O'Keefe joins us.
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00:00:32.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:33.000 Here we go.
00:00:34.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:36.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:38.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:00:46.000 He's an incredible guy.
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00:00:49.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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00:01:32.000 Joining us is one of my favorite Americans.
00:01:34.000 He's been through a lot in the last 12 months and he's fighting.
00:01:39.000 He's posting wins.
00:01:40.000 He doesn't give up.
00:01:42.000 And he loves the truth.
00:01:44.000 He's here for the full hour, James O'Keefe.
00:01:46.000 Charlie, great to be with you.
00:01:47.000 James, you keep on posting wins and posting wins.
00:01:51.000 There's so much I want to cover with you.
00:01:53.000 But first, how are you doing?
00:01:54.000 You've had a year.
00:01:55.000 I'm just, I'm a little tired at the moment.
00:01:57.000 I mean, this was an insane week.
00:01:59.000 So I'm pushing through.
00:02:01.000 Pushing through.
00:02:02.000 I want to talk about just how you've handled this last year.
00:02:05.000 And you've had some of the biggest stories of your career in the last 12 months.
00:02:09.000 Yes.
00:02:09.000 I think this White House guy was probably my favorite story I've ever done in my whole life for many reasons.
00:02:16.000 And you've had some barn burners.
00:02:17.000 And before we get into it, how is it performing on social media?
00:02:20.000 It's got like 23 million views, 100 and I'm just looking right now, 100 and 114,000 likes, 23 million views.
00:02:30.000 It's probably the second most watched video I've ever done.
00:02:35.000 And it's me doing it.
00:02:37.000 And it's a guy in the executive office of the White House.
00:02:39.000 So there's a lot to say about this.
00:02:41.000 There's a lot of citations.
00:02:42.000 Tell us, James.
00:02:43.000 Tell us the whole story, James.
00:02:45.000 From beginning to end?
00:02:46.000 Yes.
00:02:46.000 We have a lot of time.
00:02:47.000 This one is super interesting.
00:02:49.000 Well, you know, a lot of the biggest stories we get are just meeting people on dating apps.
00:02:54.000 And, you know, it's been about a year, Charlie, since I was fired from the company I founded.
00:03:01.000 About a year to the day almost.
00:03:02.000 February?
00:03:02.000 What is it?
00:03:03.000 Yeah, almost a year to the day.
00:03:05.000 So I'm trying to inspire people.
00:03:08.000 And sometimes as a leader, you have to do the thing yourself because you can't ask other people to do the thing that you're not willing to do.
00:03:14.000 And everyone in there, and I'm sure you get this all the time, but in my business, people are like, well, I can't do what you do, James, because I'm too recognizable in Tucson or I'm too recognizable in Long Island.
00:03:23.000 So I thought, what better way to show those people up than to have James O'Keefe meet with a guy who works with the White House?
00:03:31.000 Because now those people have no excuse.
00:03:33.000 Well, what's their excuse going to be?
00:03:35.000 And half of the comments on the video are like, they can't believe the guy didn't recognize me.
00:03:40.000 And we'll get into that.
00:03:41.000 So I decided to just prove to people that it can be done and it will be done because if I can do it, anybody can do it.
00:03:49.000 So you go on Hinge?
00:03:53.000 I think we're going to go on a lot of the ones.
00:03:56.000 We do all they have all the different ones.
00:03:58.000 I think this one was actually Tinder.
00:04:00.000 This guy actually, this guy, I have his profile.
00:04:03.000 He's now taking it down.
00:04:05.000 And he works in the Biden White House.
00:04:07.000 He works in the executive, the White House cybersecurity policy analyst and foreign affairs executive office of the president.
00:04:07.000 Is that right?
00:04:16.000 So EEOB, the executive office?
00:04:18.000 Yeah, the executive office.
00:04:18.000 So he's part of what they call the deep state of the administrative.
00:04:21.000 He's in the Eisenhower building right next to the White House, which is that is considered the White House.
00:04:25.000 Yes.
00:04:26.000 And he supervises two federal agencies, USAID and the State Department.
00:04:30.000 He worked at the State Department four years, goes to Harvard Kennedy School, went to Georgetown. 0.99
00:04:34.000 He's not a stupid guy. 0.98
00:04:36.000 He's a high-up guy. 0.99
00:04:39.000 But in Washington, D.C., Charlie, people are very, you know, for lack of a better word, narcissistic.
00:04:44.000 They're very focused on their own grandiose identities.
00:04:46.000 And usually I don't, in a video, put my tradecraft, but I actually left in the part where he's like, enough about me.
00:04:53.000 What about you?
00:04:54.000 And I'm like, my life isn't interesting.
00:04:56.000 I work in publishing.
00:04:56.000 Okay.
00:04:58.000 Not false, but you're like James Bond.
00:05:00.000 And he's like, oh, stop.
00:05:01.000 So it just goes to show you that people just want to talk about themselves.
00:05:07.000 So just so everyone understands, because James is dancing around this a little bit, this is a powerful, very in the White House gay staffer.
00:05:18.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:05:19.000 Yeah, he's gay. 0.51
00:05:19.000 And I, and so you're on a date with him. 0.51
00:05:22.000 Well, I suppose he thinks that.
00:05:24.000 No, I know that you're not.
00:05:25.000 Yeah.
00:05:26.000 It's kind of funny.
00:05:27.000 I'm 0% gay.
00:05:28.000 I'm 100% confident in my own masculinity.
00:05:30.000 I will do anything to get the story, though.
00:05:32.000 And I'm a thespian, right?
00:05:33.000 Anything?
00:05:34.000 Well, we don't touch people.
00:05:36.000 I didn't even hold, I didn't hold the guy's hand.
00:05:38.000 But Charlie, you know I'm a thespian.
00:05:40.000 I've given you a hard time.
00:05:42.000 And you've played into it, I've played pimps, drug dealers, traffickers, homeless people, telephone technicians.
00:05:49.000 But if you look at this video, I was dialed in.
00:05:52.000 Oh, yeah.
00:05:53.000 In other words, what's going through my mind is when he starts talking about what we can't say publicly, that's the story to me because it's the lying.
00:06:02.000 It's him saying, we can't talk about this publicly.
00:06:05.000 I say, but what have you heard?
00:06:06.000 He says, well, I've heard a lot of things about Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's mental abilities.
00:06:11.000 He talks about being in a meeting with Michelle Obama.
00:06:13.000 And while this is happening, I'm just completely dialed in.
00:06:17.000 And I'm thinking about the headline as I'm sitting with the subject.
00:06:20.000 That's what's going through my mind in these situations.
00:06:23.000 I love this on many different levels.
00:06:24.000 And I do want to play some of the tape here because it's amazing.
00:06:26.000 And it's the second most viral story of the last year, right?
00:06:29.000 Yes.
00:06:30.000 Behind Pfizer.
00:06:30.000 Correct.
00:06:32.000 And so here's James O'Keefe, who has millions of followers on social media, super well recognized.
00:06:38.000 And you just kind of put a disguise on, right?
00:06:41.000 Sort of disguise.
00:06:42.000 I dyed my hair gold and put on glasses.
00:06:46.000 That was it.
00:06:48.000 Let's go through this.
00:06:49.000 So his name is Charlie Crager, right?
00:06:52.000 Yes.
00:06:53.000 He manages federal agencies and the State Department.
00:06:56.000 Charlie thinks he's on a gay Tinder date, but he's not.
00:07:01.000 Play Cut 110.
00:07:03.000 I work at the White House.
00:07:04.000 So you're pretty high up in the government.
00:07:07.000 Yeah, I'm fairly high up.
00:07:08.000 I'm good at keeping secrets.
00:07:09.000 And so I manage two federal agencies: the State Department and USAID.
00:07:14.000 So when you say security, like you're protecting the networks of the federal agency that you give all your information to.
00:07:22.000 The mission is to protect information.
00:07:27.000 We are like the president's voice when we go into meetings in terms of discussing and promoting the president's priorities.
00:07:36.000 So just so everyone understands, this is not an unusual type of staffer as far as willing to talk about their line of work.
00:07:45.000 Is that correct?
00:07:46.000 I mean, people do this typically with me.
00:07:48.000 They just talk and you know.
00:07:49.000 Just in D.C., there's a fair amount of yes, it's a sociological phenomenon where the way I would put it is there's the Potempkin talking points.
00:08:00.000 And skipping ahead for a minute, just yesterday, I released the full confrontation of the guy, and I'm like, I'm James O'Keefe.
00:08:07.000 I take off my disguise, and he has this moment, and he goes into talking point mode.
00:08:10.000 He's like, the president is very concerned about cybersecurity and has just issued, he starts talking normally like a Washington, D.C. politophile.
00:08:19.000 But as long as there's a gap between the official Potempkin North Korean-style false talking points and how people actually talk, it'll be very easy for me to expose them because none of these people actually believe in these talking points.
00:08:34.000 They don't even believe their own propaganda.
00:08:37.000 That's the story.
00:08:38.000 They don't actually believe it.
00:08:40.000 So when you just go into a bar in Washington, and they're all narcissists, they all believe in themselves.
00:08:45.000 They don't believe what they do.
00:08:47.000 So that's the story.
00:08:48.000 I want to play another tape here.
00:08:52.000 We're waiting for, yeah, let's play this one here.
00:08:55.000 Let's play cut 111, please.
00:08:56.000 He says that Biden will be the nominee.
00:08:58.000 This is interesting.
00:09:00.000 This is internal chatter that Biden's going to be the nominee and Kamala will be his vice president.
00:09:05.000 But there was a debate on whether or not they should remove Kamala from the VP ticket.
00:09:08.000 Play cut 111.
00:09:11.000 Is he going to be the nominee?
00:09:13.000 Yes, Mike.
00:09:15.000 And she will be the vice president. 0.76
00:09:16.000 Nominee. 1.00
00:09:17.000 Yeah, there was a debate about removing her from the ticket, but sadly, we didn't. 1.00
00:09:22.000 She can't keep black staff. 1.00
00:09:24.000 They quit on her in mad. 0.94
00:09:26.000 What was he saying there?
00:09:27.000 So he was saying, Biden will be the nominee.
00:09:30.000 Kamala, is it Kamala or Kamala?
00:09:32.000 I don't know.
00:09:32.000 Cammy.
00:09:33.000 Harris will be the vice president. 0.99
00:09:35.000 And then he says she can't keep black staff.
00:09:39.000 That there was some reporting at the New York Times that a lot of the black staff did not like her, but he confirms this.
00:09:45.000 He says they all quit on her.
00:09:46.000 She's a bad leader and they wanted to get rid of her. 0.95
00:09:49.000 But he says, he goes on to say they can't get rid of Kamala Harris because she's a black woman, according to them. 0.63
00:09:56.000 And he's talking about how horrible this is because they need to get rid of them, but they can't because of that identity politics.
00:10:02.000 Tons of people watching.
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00:10:28.000 It's great.
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00:11:34.000 Okay, so I want to play some more tape here, and then we got to go through some of the memes.
00:11:37.000 The memes are too good, but I want to get through the whole story here because it's good.
00:11:40.000 This is Inside Baseball here, Cut 112.
00:11:42.000 Charlie Krager continues on Cammy. 1.00
00:11:45.000 She's not popular, but you can't remove the first black lady to be VP. 0.99
00:11:49.000 Play cut 112. 1.00
00:11:51.000 Kamala Harris is she's not popular, but you can't remove the first black lady to be vice president from the goddamn presidential ticket. 1.00
00:11:59.000 Like, what kind of message are you going to send to like African-American voters? 1.00
00:12:02.000 How would you spend that?
00:12:04.000 People would be like, what the f ⁇ ? 1.00
00:12:06.000 Like, she's a woman and she's multiracial.
00:12:09.000 I think that they're really concerned about it. 0.98
00:12:11.000 And then 116, how unpopular Camela is, play cut 116. 0.99
00:12:16.000 Kamala is so unpopular. 1.00
00:12:17.000 The New York Times did an article about how she hemorrhages black staff. 1.00
00:12:21.000 She can't keep black staff. 1.00
00:12:23.000 They quit on her in mass. 1.00
00:12:26.000 She hemorrhages black staff. 0.95
00:12:28.000 Yeah, there's a New York Times article about it. 0.99
00:12:30.000 And boy, they love the blabber, don't they? 0.75
00:12:33.000 So then this is interesting.
00:12:34.000 Biden dementia, play cut 113.
00:12:37.000 But with him.
00:12:39.000 Yeah, I know.
00:12:40.000 I know.
00:12:41.000 He's got dementia.
00:12:43.000 Yeah, wow.
00:12:44.000 He's definitely slowing down.
00:12:45.000 They know that he has those issues.
00:12:47.000 I think so.
00:12:49.000 They can't say it.
00:12:50.000 No, no, they've got to, they've got to do it.
00:12:55.000 I'm just telling you what I've heard.
00:12:58.000 Just telling us what he's heard, and they have to toe the line.
00:13:04.000 You know, this doesn't shock anybody, but it does.
00:13:07.000 And by the way, Charlie, there's a debate online.
00:13:09.000 Oh, this isn't a story that we already know this.
00:13:11.000 But I don't think, first of all, I don't think everyone does know this.
00:13:14.000 And second, there's a difference between what we know and what it's verifiably true.
00:13:18.000 So to have the White House guy say it, I think it's very important.
00:13:22.000 Well, yeah, of course.
00:13:23.000 And the acknowledgement that the people in your inner circle, I mean, he's in the EEOB, that's the Eisenhower executive office building.
00:13:30.000 Those are the people that basically run the entire federal government.
00:13:33.000 By the way, it's not like this is some intern at the Department of Interior.
00:13:36.000 If you have a badge in the EEOB, that means you also have West Wing access.
00:13:39.000 You're in the West Wing almost every single day.
00:13:41.000 I know it very well.
00:13:42.000 That is considered the White House.
00:13:43.000 It's not like BS.
00:13:44.000 You're on White House grounds. 0.88
00:13:45.000 It's the ugliest building right next to NDC, right next to the White House.
00:13:50.000 Okay, I want to go to this one.
00:13:53.000 Charlie talks about how he went to school and he's a spy and he started James Bond, James.
00:14:00.000 Play Cut 115.
00:14:02.000 So I got a job at the State Department.
00:14:04.000 I essentially started at Georgetown and I applied at State and I went to Georgetown for my master's where I studied when I joined the security studies program in the School of Foreign Service.
00:14:17.000 So when I was there, I focused on like cybersecurity and timely cyber intelligence.
00:14:23.000 So like usually the like espionage and the spy game that cyber intelligence is.
00:14:28.000 You really are James Bond, aren't you?
00:14:31.000 I know.
00:14:32.000 My grandmother likes to be like, he's a spy.
00:14:34.000 He's a spy.
00:14:34.000 My parents are like, you can't say that.
00:14:36.000 Don't tell me that.
00:14:37.000 Don't say people.
00:14:37.000 Don't say the response.
00:14:39.000 That makes you like a target.
00:14:41.000 I mean, I just, all kidding aside, what national secrets would he be sharing?
00:14:46.000 I mean, it's a huge story.
00:14:48.000 A Chinese guy would come in there and blackmail him. 1.00
00:14:50.000 No, like, you know, a real muscular, you know, gay Chinese guy could get some stuff out of him. 0.97
00:14:54.000 So I want to play more of this table. 0.71
00:14:56.000 We got to get to the memes.
00:14:57.000 Is this your first Thirst Trap story?
00:14:59.000 Mine personally?
00:15:00.000 Yes.
00:15:01.000 Mine personally, yes.
00:15:03.000 My staff know.
00:15:03.000 So, but like when you guys were around the table with the staff and you have the, you found this guy on Tinder and you say, oh my goodness, he works in the EEOB and all this.
00:15:11.000 Did you guys like cast lots of who has to be?
00:15:14.000 I'm willing to do whatever it takes, Charlie.
00:15:16.000 I don't, you pulled straws.
00:15:19.000 You're giving me a hard time.
00:15:20.000 I mean, I don't, I don't even, it didn't even occur to me.
00:15:23.000 I wasn't even, I guess I'm just so in the trench that I don't even think about the implications of that, really.
00:15:28.000 You know, but I, I, um, the memes are hilarious.
00:15:31.000 They are great.
00:15:32.000 And I, again, I want, you're a good friend, James.
00:15:34.000 You know that.
00:15:34.000 I can't say something.
00:15:37.000 It's so much work.
00:15:38.000 It does.
00:15:39.000 It's so, I mean, it's can you talk about that?
00:15:41.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just, I mean, even people think, oh, you just match with someone and meet with them.
00:15:46.000 It is hundreds of hours of research and recon and facial recognition software and matching and verification and surveillance.
00:15:55.000 I mean, it is, and then you have the technology aspect because this is guerrilla.
00:15:59.000 This is not a staged production.
00:16:02.000 This is guerrilla style filming.
00:16:04.000 The hidden cameras are temperamental.
00:16:06.000 You have to have redundancies.
00:16:08.000 I mean, they call the cops on you.
00:16:11.000 If you say the wrong word, you might be breaking the law.
00:16:13.000 This is hard work.
00:16:15.000 So I'm dialed in.
00:16:16.000 It's not like, you know, is it fun?
00:16:20.000 It's more just a discipline, Charlie.
00:16:22.000 It's a focus.
00:16:24.000 It's hundreds of man hours.
00:16:27.000 And then finally, one of my colleagues goes, James, this guy's working.
00:16:30.000 This is why he's working in cybersecurity.
00:16:32.000 And then it occurs to me, even my meeting with him is a story, regardless of what he says.
00:16:38.000 100%.
00:16:38.000 I did not expect him to open up and sing like a canary.
00:16:42.000 That surprised me.
00:16:44.000 I think that's so well said.
00:16:46.000 And again, you deserve huge credit for this.
00:16:48.000 And it's just, I love your initial takeaway that we're going to reiterate later in the program.
00:16:52.000 Anybody could do this.
00:16:52.000 Anybody could do this?
00:16:53.000 Yes.
00:16:53.000 Anyone could be able to do this?
00:16:54.000 Well, they choose not to.
00:16:54.000 They choose not to.
00:16:56.000 And so it would be hilarious if I were available.
00:16:59.000 That would be.
00:17:00.000 I think you have the discipline to do it.
00:17:02.000 It's discipline, focus, and I'm not going on a gay date.
00:17:05.000 Okay.
00:17:05.000 I'm not doing that.
00:17:06.000 I'm going to find out some other things.
00:17:08.000 Understood.
00:17:08.000 I'm not as well-built as James O'Keefe either.
00:17:11.000 I wouldn't face for radio.
00:17:13.000 Let's play Cut 114.
00:17:14.000 You tell him he's doing a very good job as working of cybersecurity for the White House.
00:17:18.000 Play Cut 114.
00:17:20.000 So you work in cybersecurity for the White House.
00:17:23.000 And my question is, what are you doing on a meeting with James O'Keefe?
00:17:33.000 Founder of Project Veritas.
00:17:35.000 Oh, I've heard of it.
00:17:36.000 Yeah.
00:17:36.000 We do undercover investigations into people.
00:17:39.000 What type of cybersecurity operation are you guys running over?
00:17:43.000 We're running into cybersecurity operations.
00:17:45.000 Obviously, not because you're running with me.
00:17:48.000 Did you not do your research? 0.82
00:17:50.000 What is this hook cop clown show you guys running over at the White House? 0.87
00:17:54.000 No, no, actually, I played the wrong tape.
00:17:57.000 The real tape is this: 124.
00:17:59.000 This is James O'Keefe.
00:18:02.000 Oh, God.
00:18:04.000 This is a great one.
00:18:06.000 They're about to get in the hot tub.
00:18:08.000 Trick takes off his Superman glasses.
00:18:11.000 She goes, Whoa.
00:18:14.000 Now, James, let me just play devil's advocate.
00:18:17.000 Why didn't you try to, you know, continue?
00:18:20.000 It's a split-second decision that I have to make alive in the field.
00:18:25.000 And you felt like you got to the instinct.
00:18:28.000 Yes.
00:18:29.000 It's not a linear or scientific process.
00:18:31.000 It's more of a dark art.
00:18:33.000 And at a certain point in space and time, I have to say it's time to end this.
00:18:39.000 It's a certain moment that instead of trying to meet with him again.
00:18:44.000 Well, I could also compromise myself if I do that.
00:18:46.000 It could hurt the operation if I do that.
00:18:48.000 It could endanger me if I do.
00:18:49.000 There's a whole bunch of.
00:18:50.000 What do you mean?
00:18:51.000 Well, sometimes people get violent.
00:18:53.000 Sometimes people, I get compromised.
00:18:56.000 I get burned.
00:18:56.000 So it's an instinct thing.
00:18:58.000 Some people say, well, James, you should have slept with him.
00:19:00.000 I don't do that.
00:19:01.000 I don't cross ethical lines.
00:19:03.000 See, James, I wasn't going to say, James, why didn't you go to the third date?
00:19:06.000 I wasn't even going there.
00:19:07.000 Yeah.
00:19:07.000 Okay.
00:19:07.000 I was just, I said another meeting.
00:19:11.000 A lot of things, logistics, scheduling, and limited resources, many different reasons, in addition to the ones I said before.
00:19:20.000 So, James, you, I just, all kidding aside, and again, I can't compliment you enough because, you know, you didn't have to do this.
00:19:27.000 You have a team.
00:19:28.000 You got journalists and all this, but you kind of love the game, right?
00:19:31.000 I do, and I'm good at it.
00:19:32.000 And you are absolutely.
00:19:35.000 And to be perfectly, it's going to sound a little arrogant, but I'm very good at it.
00:19:40.000 I'm still. 0.98
00:19:40.000 Arrogant. 0.98
00:19:41.000 You've invented. 1.00
00:19:42.000 No, it's only that.
00:19:43.000 You're the inventor of the meeting.
00:19:44.000 20 years of experience, I'm still the best in the game at it, and I have to do it to lead people to do it.
00:19:49.000 I have to show people that, listen, I'm not going to ask you to do anything that I won't do.
00:19:55.000 And that's one of the things.
00:19:56.000 Look, this is going to sound, I don't want to, no, I wouldn't say this wasn't true.
00:20:00.000 Rush Limbaugh invented AM Talk Radio.
00:20:02.000 You've invented modern guerrilla expose journalism from the internet era.
00:20:06.000 Rush Limbaugh told me before he died in person, he said, James, you guys invented a genre.
00:20:11.000 He's that's amazing.
00:20:13.000 Rush was a friend of ours too.
00:20:15.000 And I don't say that lightly because you are the best at it because you've invented the medium.
00:20:19.000 And I, by the way, you're the number one person.
00:20:21.000 You want hundreds of people to do it.
00:20:23.000 Thousands.
00:20:23.000 I do.
00:20:23.000 And there will be.
00:20:24.000 By the way, James, we have a huge audience right now.
00:20:27.000 Just replug the O'Keeffe Media Group.
00:20:29.000 We have 10,400 people watching just on Rumble.
00:20:32.000 That doesn't count all the other channels.
00:20:33.000 So every Wednesday, you know, 60 Minutes was Sunday.
00:20:36.000 Every Wednesday, OMG launches a new investigation Wednesday, 4 to 6 Eastern Time.
00:20:41.000 We're doing a show on spaces and live streaming across all platforms.
00:20:45.000 And O'KeefeMediaGroup.com is the website, OMG.
00:20:49.000 And we're growing.
00:20:50.000 We're building.
00:20:52.000 And you can support us there, donate, subscribe.
00:20:56.000 We're building out the paywall.
00:20:57.000 But every Wednesday, 4 o'clock, Charlie, we're launching a new store.
00:20:59.000 It's like making a movie every week.
00:21:01.000 It's difficult.
00:21:02.000 Martin Scorsese, you star in your own film.
00:21:05.000 We're putting out a movie every single week.
00:21:08.000 It's very difficult.
00:21:10.000 But we have more officials, Charlie, in the deep state administrative state, like this one coming out here shortly.
00:21:15.000 And it's not just me doing it.
00:21:17.000 We got other people who are training, equipping, meeting with the subjects, and they're just talking honestly.
00:21:23.000 And as long as there is, I said, this is a very important point.
00:21:26.000 As long as there's a difference between the official state talking point and the truth, as long as those things are not the same, there will be ripe opportunity for me to get the cinema verite of them telling the truth unbeknownst to them.
00:21:40.000 Okay, now we got to go to the memes here.
00:21:42.000 All right, it's just too good.
00:21:43.000 It's cut 119 through 123.
00:21:46.000 And by the way, someone sent me an email.
00:21:48.000 They said, Charlie, it's clear you're not willing to do everything that's necessary to save the country.
00:21:54.000 Totally right.
00:21:55.000 I totally acknowledge it.
00:21:56.000 Okay, let's go to night one.
00:21:58.000 Okay, walk us to this.
00:21:58.000 There it is.
00:22:00.000 Know your meme by James O'Keefe.
00:22:02.000 This is Soros' son.
00:22:04.000 What's his name?
00:22:04.000 Alexander.
00:22:05.000 Alex Soros on the right with the glasses.
00:22:09.000 And then without the glasses, it's just James O'Keefe from Peaky Blinders.
00:22:13.000 Yeah.
00:22:14.000 Next one.
00:22:15.000 The absurdity of okay.
00:22:17.000 This is the favorite.
00:22:18.000 Everyone's favorite meme.
00:22:20.000 This is Dylan Mulvaney.
00:22:21.000 I actually ambushed Dylan Mulvaney back in April at a hotel in LA.
00:22:24.000 Oh my God, tell me more.
00:22:25.000 And people are like, James, your flamboyant gay accent is really good. 1.00
00:22:29.000 Zero percent gay, but you know, I'm a theater guy. 0.77
00:22:31.000 I was the cowboy.
00:22:33.000 Not that there's anything wrong with it. 0.92
00:22:35.000 Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I pick like cowboys, pimps, drug dealers.
00:22:39.000 I can play any part, but only to get the story.
00:22:42.000 So that's Dylan Mulvaney with the Bud Light.
00:22:44.000 Next.
00:22:45.000 What else do you got?
00:22:46.000 That's just, this is just the absurdity.
00:22:48.000 You got to zoom in on that one if you can.
00:22:50.000 The absurdity of just literally all it is is a pair of glasses.
00:22:54.000 It's, it's just.
00:22:55.000 So do you know, do you know?
00:22:56.000 No, I know.
00:22:56.000 Now in the White House executive office building, they probably have a big cutout picture.
00:23:01.000 No, they 100% do. 0.82
00:23:02.000 And they say, if you're on a gay date with this man, walk away.
00:23:07.000 It reminds me of this moment from 12 years ago when I got offered Eric Holder's ballot.
00:23:11.000 I went in and said, hey, do you have Eric Holder?
00:23:13.000 And they gave me a picture of me on the polling location for Eric Kohler. 1.00
00:23:19.000 This is how stupid these people are. 1.00
00:23:21.000 All right, next one. 1.00
00:23:21.000 I love this. 1.00
00:23:22.000 Hi, it's me.
00:23:23.000 Not totally, totally not James.
00:23:25.000 Totally not James O'Keefe.
00:23:26.000 Yeah, I actually, this is, this is, I don't think the guy actually knew who I was.
00:23:30.000 He actually, Charlie, some people were saying, oh, he went along with it.
00:23:34.000 No, he did not know.
00:23:35.000 He just didn't know.
00:23:36.000 A lot of people don't pay attention.
00:23:38.000 They don't follow conservative media, et cetera.
00:23:40.000 So he did not recognize James Okee.
00:23:43.000 He knew kind of the word Project Veritas, but he wasn't familiar with my face.
00:23:47.000 Next is James O'Keefe as an undercover gay man. 0.57
00:23:51.000 There you go.
00:23:52.000 Is that simple?
00:23:53.000 All you got to do is put on a pair of spectacles. 0.97
00:23:56.000 And there I am on the right, undercover gay man.
00:23:59.000 And really, this speaks to one of the O'Keeffe rules in my O'Keeffe Academy class, which you can buy to learn how to do the undercover work at O'KeeffeMediaGroup.com.
00:24:07.000 Your manner, the way you carry yourself matters more than your disguise.
00:24:14.000 The way you conduct yourself is 80% of it.
00:24:17.000 For those of you who are confused as to why the disguise was not more elaborate.
00:24:21.000 Email is freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:24:23.000 James, lots more stories.
00:24:24.000 And by the way, you have some big ones in Arizona coming up.
00:24:27.000 You've also, I don't want to, you know, bury the, you know, spoil the lead here, but you have you're cooking stories.
00:24:32.000 Oh, yeah.
00:24:33.000 We've done a few in Nogales on your border town in Arizona here and Tucson and Phoenix, and we have more coming.
00:24:40.000 I think the border, Charlie, is the biggest issue of the year.
00:24:43.000 And we're looking into all the NGOs here in your state of Arizona that get money from the federal government.
00:24:48.000 James, also, you have this O'Keefe media group.
00:24:52.000 It's going really, really well.
00:24:54.000 And you guys are getting support from the audience.
00:24:57.000 I want to just ask you some personal stuff just because it's been such a trying year.
00:25:00.000 Absolutely.
00:25:01.000 But I think it's a great lesson for everybody.
00:25:02.000 Here's my theory.
00:25:03.000 James has heard me say it before.
00:25:05.000 There was a plan.
00:25:06.000 They've tried to take out some of our all-stars.
00:25:09.000 They tried to take out Trump, Tucker, O'Keefe.
00:25:12.000 That was the triumphant.
00:25:13.000 You think about it.
00:25:14.000 You take out Trump on the political vector.
00:25:15.000 You take out Tucker on the cable news vector.
00:25:17.000 You take out O'Keeffe, who's the number one all-star on undercover reporting.
00:25:21.000 And they failed on all three fronts and failed largely thanks to you guys not buying into the BS of the media.
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00:26:22.000 James, you had a rather viral and personal post on Twitter X about that you're not suicidal.
00:26:29.000 Tell us about it.
00:26:30.000 Yeah, thanks.
00:26:31.000 A lot of people project their fear onto me, and they always say, oh, aren't you afraid for your life?
00:26:36.000 Are they going to kill you?
00:26:37.000 And this was kind of like a very personal, very heartfelt note in regards to anybody who projects fear.
00:26:44.000 And I've chosen faith over fear.
00:26:46.000 And I'm not suicidal.
00:26:47.000 And I understand we're messing with powerful people, but I'm also prepared to die.
00:26:51.000 And I know that sounds kind of macabre and melodramatic, but I'm not, I've been through so many things in my 39 years on this planet that I'm passionate about what I do.
00:27:01.000 And I wrote this piece, Charlie, because the hardest part about what I've been through, I say it's been an indescribable hell on earth for me to witness good people go against everything right for money and power.
00:27:11.000 And I've seen envy destroy the hearts of men I thought I knew.
00:27:15.000 And I think you know what I'm talking about.
00:27:17.000 And I think that that is the thing that we're fighting, Charlie, not the Leviathan, the enemy.
00:27:20.000 Those things, I get them.
00:27:22.000 They're coming, the FBI, the White House, they're coming after me.
00:27:25.000 But the people, the thing that's in our way are the good people who do nothing or who betray us.
00:27:30.000 And that is what I'm fighting.
00:27:33.000 And I wanted to get that through to people.
00:27:34.000 And it was very personal, but I put it out there.
00:27:37.000 Yeah.
00:27:37.000 Yeah, and it's been seen by 8 million people on social media that what you posted there.
00:27:42.000 And so, James, this last year, I think it was just about a year ago, this month.
00:27:46.000 Yeah, this week, February 6th, 2022, my board fired me from the company I founded.
00:27:53.000 2023.
00:27:54.000 Excuse me, 2023, yes.
00:27:56.000 That was just a year ago, this week it happened.
00:27:58.000 And it was the most difficult thing I've ever been through in my life.
00:28:01.000 I built it as you did.
00:28:03.000 You know, I understand.
00:28:04.000 You said it so eloquently.
00:28:05.000 It's very, it's very difficult to build things.
00:28:07.000 It's very easy to destroy them.
00:28:09.000 That's right.
00:28:09.000 And I know that you're a builder and frankly a blood brother because you and I have been through similar things.
00:28:14.000 But that was so painful to, just speaking candidly, I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't because it was the betrayal.
00:28:21.000 And that is the thing that we're fighting against.
00:28:23.000 It's almost like the enemy is amongst us and it's within people who do nothing or who try to destroy or hurt the people who are doing something.
00:28:34.000 So that's what I wrote this.
00:28:36.000 I said, I'm not suicidal, but I'm also not afraid to die.
00:28:40.000 I believe in faith over fear.
00:28:42.000 Here I stand.
00:28:42.000 I can do no other.
00:28:44.000 Like Clarence Thomas said, if they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me.
00:28:46.000 But we need to inspire people.
00:28:49.000 I'm tired of tens of thousands of people sliding into my IDMs complaining about how bad things are.
00:28:54.000 I want to find the people who are willing to do something.
00:28:57.000 But yes, that was very painful.
00:28:59.000 But I'm happy I went through that because it taught me so much about human nature, about myself.
00:29:05.000 I learned a lot from that.
00:29:07.000 And I'll be more effective.
00:29:08.000 And I think it was like almost God purifying things, cleansing things for me, bringing good people into my life.
00:29:13.000 I got a really solid team of 12 employees right now, and we're growing at OMG.
00:29:18.000 Are you at a place now where you're thankful for it that it happened?
00:29:21.000 I am.
00:29:22.000 It took me until, so this happened February of 2023.
00:29:28.000 And it wasn't until, I want to say, Thanksgiving.
00:29:31.000 It wasn't until almost December.
00:29:33.000 And then something happened.
00:29:35.000 There was a spark.
00:29:36.000 An IBM guy came to me through Signal and recorded his CEO.
00:29:42.000 And that was the turning point.
00:29:44.000 Honestly, this one.
00:29:45.000 This is one of the biggest stories of your career.
00:29:46.000 Turning point, no pun intended.
00:29:48.000 That was the tipping point.
00:29:48.000 So Blake and our team thinks this is the biggest story of your career.
00:29:51.000 And I think he's onto something.
00:29:52.000 Keep going.
00:29:54.000 Well, that was a tipping point, turning point.
00:29:56.000 It was a moment.
00:29:57.000 I don't know why you didn't call your group tipping point.
00:29:59.000 It was a moment when the guy was high up in IBM.
00:30:03.000 And I had these long late night sort of deep throat.
00:30:06.000 If you're familiar with all the president's men meeting in parking garages, talking to this individual.
00:30:11.000 And he said, well, I might get fired.
00:30:12.000 And I said, well, what's the worst thing that can happen?
00:30:14.000 The people have to know.
00:30:15.000 And they made the decision to give me the tape.
00:30:18.000 And that individual still works for IBM.
00:30:20.000 And then suddenly there was a wellspring of 100 plus people inside IBM that came to me.
00:30:25.000 And then I realized this is it.
00:30:27.000 This is it.
00:30:28.000 And when they came to me, you know what the person said to me, Charlie?
00:30:32.000 They said, one of the things they said was, I'm so inspired by what Elon Musk is doing.
00:30:37.000 But a lot of the inspiration came from the fact that I stuck by my guns and I never sold out my principles.
00:30:43.000 My board at Veritas wanted me to sell out and do things I was uncomfortable doing.
00:30:48.000 And I took the bullet, okay?
00:30:50.000 And it was very hard.
00:30:51.000 And it was the most, it was other than having a loved one die.
00:30:55.000 It's the hardest thing.
00:30:56.000 It felt like I was castrated.
00:30:58.000 It felt like I was a near-death experience.
00:31:01.000 And the IBM official gave me the tape.
00:31:03.000 And then suddenly there was 100 IBM employees coming to me.
00:31:07.000 And that's when I knew that what happened to me happened for a reason.
00:31:12.000 And, you know, we believe in Romans 8, 28, that for those who love God, all things work out for his good.
00:31:18.000 And that's a very tough, it's a tough truth in Christianity that God has a plan for all of us.
00:31:24.000 And even though it might feel bad or bad happens to us, not to say that it's not bad, but it can work towards good and it could be used for good.
00:31:33.000 I mean, there are no words to describe the pain of working.
00:31:37.000 You know, you're one of the few men that I know who does know.
00:31:41.000 You're working 14-hour days, traveling 100 hours a week, and you're raising all this millions and millions of dollars to defend all these people to fight for the country.
00:31:50.000 And then, if James O'Keefe can get fired from the company he founded, then nobody, then it leads you to, it leads to kind of a heartless, hopeless nihilism.
00:32:01.000 And that was what I was fighting.
00:32:02.000 And that is what we fight against in this country, which is it's not the government, it's not the enemy, it's each other.
00:32:09.000 And that was a very, but it was a, I think it was God detoxing my life, removing bad apples.
00:32:17.000 And I, you know, and I learned, now I know, first of all, don't hire psychotic people.
00:32:21.000 Second, if you do find out they're bad people, fire them immediately.
00:32:25.000 So these are things that, frankly, I think you, I give credit to Charlie Kirk. 1.00
00:32:29.000 I'm not just saying to blow smoke up his ass. 0.98
00:32:31.000 He is a great leader, and you learned these things probably earlier than I have. 0.99
00:32:35.000 But I've always believed in the best in people and I've always tried to empower people and see the goodness in people.
00:32:41.000 But in this game, you have to be solid, you have to be a good person, you have to have a good heart, and you have to surround yourself with good people.
00:32:47.000 Yeah, and that's interesting and really deep.
00:32:52.000 I don't actually always believe in the best in people, which is that's you and I are different.
00:32:55.000 Yeah, and that there I believe more in a Hobbesian view of human nature.
00:32:58.000 It actually probably has helped in some way.
00:33:00.000 It's helped you, I think.
00:33:01.000 Yeah, no, of course.
00:33:02.000 It's not always the happiest view of the world.
00:33:05.000 But if you think that people are fundamentally self-interested and broken and sinful, you can view human behavior differently.
00:33:12.000 So I want to just brag on this further.
00:33:13.000 This is Cut 125 from America Fest.
00:33:16.000 This has resulted now in, I believe, a lawsuit.
00:33:18.000 I think America First Legal is suing IBM over violations of the Civil Rights Act.
00:33:22.000 Yeah, EOCC complaints.
00:33:24.000 Yeah, equal opportunity complaint.
00:33:26.000 This is a huge story over a major tech company worth over $100 billion.
00:33:30.000 Let's play Cut 125, please.
00:33:33.000 There's been 150 people within IBM that have come forward.
00:33:36.000 150.
00:33:36.000 I'm going to break something right on your show here.
00:33:38.000 And this slide says, How does whiteness work?
00:33:41.000 Red Hat, which is the subsidiary of IBM.
00:33:43.000 And it says, quote, whiteness constructs the game, hides the rules, then rigs the game over and over again.
00:33:48.000 It's this slide that they give out inside IBM.
00:33:50.000 This is the sort of whistleblowing and numbers and big numbers.
00:33:54.000 I've never seen that before, and it's very encouraging to me.
00:33:57.000 So, James, I want you to be very clear and direct because every day I get somebody emailing me and like they're, oh, I have this thing.
00:34:03.000 I'm not a whistleblower guy.
00:34:04.000 Everyone has a role.
00:34:06.000 Somebody has a story.
00:34:07.000 How do they get it to you to be taken seriously, not just into some inbox?
00:34:11.000 That's well, that's a great point.
00:34:12.000 I mean, you have to be able to clearly communicate what it is that you have.
00:34:15.000 So you get these all the time.
00:34:16.000 All the time.
00:34:18.000 The source has to be able to describe in a paragraph very clearly who, what, when, where, why, what it is.
00:34:23.000 That's the most crucial thing.
00:34:24.000 Yes.
00:34:25.000 Because they can send it on DM on Instagram on X or Signal.
00:34:28.000 That's usually where all the people come through.
00:34:30.000 Or tips.
00:34:31.000 O'KeeffeMediaGroup.com.
00:34:32.000 That's lower.
00:34:33.000 Tips.o'KeefMedia Group.com.
00:34:37.000 If it's video or documents.
00:34:38.000 Can we put that, please, on the bottom, guys?
00:34:40.000 Tips.o'keefmedia group.com.
00:34:43.000 Just the word tips before the website.
00:34:45.000 If it's a file that's a gigabyte, you can send it there.
00:34:48.000 It doesn't matter where they send it because anyone can find us.
00:34:52.000 It's what they say.
00:34:54.000 And it's really easy for me because if the individual is able to clearly communicate what they have, that shows me that's a credible tip.
00:35:03.000 And what was remarkable about that IBM story, Charlie, is that the thing about whistleblowing is that they can fire the person and humiliate them and ruin their life.
00:35:11.000 But if 100 people at IBM are now coming forward to James O'Keefe, they can't whack all those.
00:35:18.000 It's not actually a thing.
00:35:20.000 You can't fire all those people.
00:35:21.000 It's not going to happen.
00:35:22.000 And then when I broke that story, the CEO of IBM, Charlie, got Arvind Krishna, who, by the way, is Asian, so there's irony with that.
00:35:30.000 He holds an emergency all-staff call and he says, do not talk about this James O'Keefe thing.
00:35:35.000 And then seven people at IBM recorded that and sent it to me.
00:35:39.000 So he can't fire all of his employees.
00:35:42.000 So I think whistleblowing in numbers is the future.
00:35:45.000 It's unification of sources working together.
00:35:48.000 So let's go a level deeper.
00:35:51.000 What people might actually be sitting on a gold mine of whistleblowing and not realizing it.
00:35:56.000 Right.
00:35:56.000 So let's go through two things very practically.
00:35:59.000 And I want to spend some time on this.
00:36:01.000 What is it that they should, for example, that they should be looking for?
00:36:05.000 Or what is just kind of the general principles?
00:36:08.000 This is not just for journalists.
00:36:09.000 This is just citizens.
00:36:10.000 What should people be looking for?
00:36:11.000 And citizens sort of have to think like journalists.
00:36:13.000 And in many regards, they kind of are journalists if they're leaking some material.
00:36:19.000 The principle is simple.
00:36:20.000 What is the thing that they're doing that they don't want, the thing their company is doing or their government agency is doing that they don't want to publicly acknowledge that they're doing?
00:36:30.000 So that we don't want people to know this.
00:36:31.000 We're hiding this from people.
00:36:33.000 We can't have anyone see this.
00:36:35.000 Anything like that is a story as far as I'm concerned.
00:36:38.000 And don't be shy.
00:36:39.000 If you don't know if it's a story or not, then send it in, but do it concisely and do it concretely.
00:36:44.000 But then the next layer, James, of where we really get to critical mass to holding tyranny accountable is not just, oh, somebody said something on a Zoom call and I'm going to record it, but it's you can, you can record yourself asking a question that you think will lead toward that's next level.
00:37:05.000 That's next level stuff.
00:37:06.000 Yes. 0.81
00:37:07.000 That's where all of a sudden, if it's legal, for example, if your boss is like a raging racist lunatic and hates white people and all this sort of stuff, and you're allowed to record your conversation, going into that conversation with your boss and recording it, that's more than just documents. 0.75
00:37:25.000 Here's James, here's a document. 0.89
00:37:26.000 That's all of a sudden where you're now.
00:37:28.000 That's master class, which you can buy on our website and learn by watching me do what I do.
00:37:32.000 Yes.
00:37:32.000 And yeah, you have classes, you have the whole thing.
00:37:34.000 Everybody, I'm telling you, there's a few things where people say, Charlie, how do we save the civilization?
00:37:39.000 1,000.
00:37:41.000 The number is 1,000.
00:37:42.000 If 1,000 people did what O'Keefe did, these maniacs would be on the run.
00:37:47.000 They would have nowhere to hide.
00:37:51.000 If we had 1,000 people, 1,000 citizen journalists, what would that mean?
00:37:55.000 I think it would change the world.
00:37:56.000 I think we can just start with a few or even a hundred.
00:38:00.000 But yes, one man with courage makes a majority.
00:38:02.000 One big reason is better than many little reasons.
00:38:05.000 One massive story is better than a few.
00:38:07.000 I mean, Edward Snowden, love them or hate them.
00:38:09.000 He certainly changed people's perception of the Fourth Amendment and searches and seizures and data collection.
00:38:15.000 But Charlie is absolutely right.
00:38:16.000 A thousand people doing this sort of investigative sleuthing and recording would change the universe.
00:38:24.000 That would make the country quite free.
00:38:26.000 And it's the ultimate, it's like the final check on tyranny.
00:38:31.000 The final check on tyranny is that, no, I'm not going to have you do this nonsense at the company or the university.
00:38:38.000 By the way, the universities are a huge opportunity, James.
00:38:42.000 Yes, and I'd like to get cameras on some of your students.
00:38:45.000 Blake has some great ideas.
00:38:46.000 You should talk to him afterwards.
00:38:47.000 I will.
00:38:47.000 It's tough to shock people these days with colleges, but I think Leviathan does not like being challenged.
00:38:54.000 But what's remarkable about this sort of work is communists hate being exposed.
00:38:58.000 Hate it.
00:38:58.000 Sunlight is the most powerful.
00:39:01.000 And we have a First Amendment in this country.
00:39:02.000 Article 3 courts are actually, by and large, the least corrupt, I think, part of the three branches of government.
00:39:08.000 The First Amendment is there and we should use it.
00:39:12.000 If you're out there, you say, how can I make a difference?
00:39:15.000 How can I make a difference?
00:39:16.000 It also, it doesn't need to always be private.
00:39:19.000 It could be very simple.
00:39:20.000 Like the Dylan Mulvaney is a good example.
00:39:22.000 It wasn't the biggest story, but find a powerful or powerful or popular.
00:39:27.000 Find a powerful or popular person and ask them questions directly.
00:39:32.000 I mean, there was a guy that his name is Anthony, and he's just a young guy who he went down to South America, got onto the train and went all the way to the border and recorded it.
00:39:42.000 I've never seen anybody do this.
00:39:43.000 You got this guy named Nick who's out there infiltrating migrant camps.
00:39:47.000 These are young guys who are doing this on YouTube, and they're broke.
00:39:50.000 They're just doing it.
00:39:51.000 It's amazing.
00:39:52.000 This is such an important point.
00:39:54.000 This new, and James, you are, you are the first, right?
00:39:58.000 You are like the Abraham of this. 0.96
00:40:00.000 You are the beginning.
00:40:01.000 It's not money.
00:40:02.000 It's not, money is not the thing that you need.
00:40:05.000 It's brass balls and will.
00:40:06.000 Now, James, I want you to get a little spice here because I know that you have this as part of your public commentary.
00:40:12.000 You're kind of annoyed by the, but James, I'm going to lose my job.
00:40:17.000 Right.
00:40:18.000 And you do this in a really beautiful way.
00:40:21.000 But what do you say to that someone in the audience, which is, I could lose my job.
00:40:25.000 I have to pay the mortgage.
00:40:26.000 I have, you know, I'm afraid.
00:40:28.000 I'm afraid.
00:40:28.000 I'm afraid, James.
00:40:29.000 Yeah, there was that clip that you saw.
00:40:31.000 Presbyterian minister.
00:40:32.000 Presbyterian minister.
00:40:33.000 I think that I would say, what's the worst thing that's going to happen to you if you, quote, lose your job?
00:40:39.000 And I think it's very important who you marry and who you're partner with, because you have to have the right core values.
00:40:45.000 But I find it very ironic that Christians lecture me about how they're going to lose their money and lose their things. 0.98
00:40:51.000 I don't get that, by the way.
00:40:52.000 I get other people saying.
00:40:54.000 I don't quite get people who believe in this concept of eternal life. 0.99
00:40:57.000 So don't be, I would say, don't be a hypocrite.
00:41:00.000 You know, think about why you're here on this earth and really wrestle with what actually matters because I don't even, I mean, I'm a hopeful person. 0.96
00:41:08.000 Perhaps you're more, is it Hobbesian?
00:41:11.000 Well, no, I'm hopeful, but of human nature, I have a very Hobbesian.
00:41:15.000 And that makes you a good leader because it's the reality of the circumstances. 0.91
00:41:18.000 Yes, I believe people are nasty, brutish, and sharp. 0.96
00:41:20.000 Well, they are. 0.99
00:41:21.000 And that's the Thomas.
00:41:23.000 The book is called Leviathan.
00:41:24.000 But that's right.
00:41:25.000 My father raised me to believe in the best in people, and I would not be doing what I'm doing had my father not raised me that way.
00:41:31.000 So I'm grateful for that.
00:41:32.000 But I would say, you know, the more experience we have, the more wisdom we attain, the more we begin to realize that that line that separates good and evil runs through every human heart.
00:41:44.000 And we're here for a living.
00:41:45.000 We're all going to die.
00:41:46.000 We're all going to die unless Elon changes that up somehow scientifically in our heart.
00:41:51.000 It's not going to change.
00:41:52.000 We're all going to die.
00:41:54.000 So I think that if you lose your job and have to rent a house versus own a house, that you're, well, my children.
00:42:01.000 Well, I would think that my children would admire their father for having followed his conscience and doing the right thing.
00:42:08.000 That's the enrichment of the soul.
00:42:09.000 It's what Solts and Eatson talks about in that Gulag Archipelago book.
00:42:13.000 And by the way, there's one thing I want to say about that book.
00:42:15.000 The most profound part was when Soltz and Eatson, everyone's starving to death.
00:42:20.000 And they go on the hunger strike.
00:42:21.000 And you know what hurt the most?
00:42:22.000 Not starvation.
00:42:24.000 It was watching one of their comrades break the strike and eat a piece of bread.
00:42:28.000 It's the soul.
00:42:29.000 It's the nourishing of your soul that matters in this life.
00:42:32.000 Now, these are very deep things, but this is the time that tries men's soul right now in the 2024 election.
00:42:39.000 And are you going to be the hero?
00:42:40.000 Are you going to be the guy that I lost my job?
00:42:43.000 And by the way, one more thing, Charlie.
00:42:45.000 Border Patrol Agents, Arizona, one guy said 98% of his colleagues, they hate what they do.
00:42:49.000 And I say, why do you do it?
00:42:50.000 They say, we do it for the money.
00:42:52.000 They do it for the $130,000 a year.
00:42:55.000 And they can't even look in the mirror at night.
00:42:57.000 They can't live with themselves.
00:42:59.000 So there's this tension between your conscience and getting the paycheck.
00:43:04.000 And ultimately, I say, you have to choose your conscience.
00:43:07.000 You have to choose your conscience.
00:43:09.000 It's going to make you feel better.
00:43:11.000 You're not going to go to hell.
00:43:13.000 Your children are going to respect you more.
00:43:15.000 I mean, there's all types of reasons to do the right thing.
00:43:17.000 But I'm not a philosopher or a psychologist.
00:43:19.000 I'm a journalist.
00:43:20.000 And in the year 2024, we got to get the story.
00:43:23.000 We got to inform the public.
00:43:26.000 What are some of the areas people should be looking into?
00:43:30.000 I think the three biggest areas are: number one, the border.
00:43:33.000 I think that's the story.
00:43:34.000 And number two, I think it's election vote counts.
00:43:39.000 The extent to which there is fraud.
00:43:41.000 I don't know to what degree.
00:43:43.000 And there are areas I think people should be focused on in Arizona and Wisconsin and Georgia.
00:43:50.000 I think it's going to come down to these counties.
00:43:55.000 Number three, anyone who's trying to hide, anybody who's engaged in corruption in your company, your government, I don't know where it is, but culture, politics is downstream from the culture.
00:44:08.000 So I think it's border and voting are going to be the two biggest ones in 24.
00:44:13.000 A website one more time.
00:44:14.000 O'Keeffe Media Group.
00:44:16.000 That's OMG.
00:44:17.000 OMG, the thing you say when you watch this stuff.
00:44:20.000 I can't believe I can't believe my eyes.
00:44:23.000 O'KeeffeMedia Group.com.
00:44:24.000 Every Wednesday, four o'clock, a new investigation.
00:44:27.000 Send us your tip, tips.o'keefmedia group.com.
00:44:31.000 Empowering and equipping a movement of thousands of people like you to expose wrongdoing with the support of an in-house team of elite journalists to bring factual, unbiased stories to light.
00:44:40.000 You guys can go there and you can become a member.
00:44:41.000 I've become a member.
00:44:43.000 There's also, it's very easy to navigate.
00:44:45.000 You have the O'Keefe Academy Masterclass.
00:44:48.000 You guys can donate support.
00:44:49.000 You have the covert camera store.
00:44:51.000 And again, they try to take James O'Keefe out.
00:44:54.000 Just remember, Trump, O'Keefe, Tucker.
00:44:56.000 They try to go one, two, three, and they have failed on all three fronts.
00:45:00.000 Yes, they did.
00:45:00.000 They tried to take out Tucker.
00:45:01.000 The Fox News, he's bigger and stronger and ever and has his whole thing.
00:45:04.000 Yes, he does.
00:45:05.000 They try to take out Trump through many different ways.
00:45:06.000 He's bigger and stronger.
00:45:07.000 O'Keeffe, same thing.
00:45:08.000 Those are three people.
00:45:10.000 The bad guys tried to almost all at once.
00:45:12.000 Boom, boom, boom.
00:45:14.000 It was like a 90-day period.
00:45:15.000 They overplayed their hand.
00:45:16.000 Overplayed.
00:45:17.000 And now it's time for us to administer justice in 2024.
00:45:22.000 James, God bless you, man.
00:45:23.000 God bless.
00:45:24.000 He's going down to go break a big story.
00:45:28.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:45:30.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:45:33.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:45:34.000 God bless.
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