The Charlie Kirk Show - January 10, 2023


January 6, Brazil Edition? with Paulo Figueiredo and Matthew Tyrmand


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Matthew Tierman walks us through the protests in Brazil and Paolo Vieira, who is a popular news host in Brazil, gives us the details about what's going on there. And it could be happening here, too.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, what is going on in Brazil?
00:00:07.000 Brazil is a madhouse right now.
00:00:09.000 It is in total and complete upheaval.
00:00:13.000 Matthew Tierman walks us through it and then Paolo, who's a very popular news host in Brazil, gives us the detail.
00:00:21.000 And it could happen here.
00:00:23.000 In fact, it might have already happened here.
00:00:25.000 It's very interesting.
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00:01:57.000 Now is Matthew Tierman to talk about Brazil.
00:02:00.000 Matthew, welcome to the program.
00:02:02.000 What on earth is happening in Brazil?
00:02:04.000 The storming of the presidential quarters yesterday?
00:02:06.000 Walk us through it, Matt.
00:02:08.000 Well, certainly.
00:02:09.000 Obviously, they're trying to build as many correlations as they can with what happened in DC two years ago.
00:02:16.000 And it does stem from a similar protest movement of anger, a feeling of disenfranchisement, distrust with the system.
00:02:23.000 But in Brazil, it is the separated powers are so much more out of whack.
00:02:27.000 It is so much worse.
00:02:29.000 There have been protesters on the ground in Brazil.
00:02:31.000 We talked about it at Amfest with you and Steve a few weeks ago.
00:02:35.000 We're at day 70, 71 of millions into tens of millions of people who have occupied campsites around military barracks in cities all over the country, and specifically in Brasilia, the federal capital, obviously the most.
00:02:49.000 And they marched into these buildings yesterday, the three main buildings being the National Congress building, the Supreme Court building, and the presidential palace.
00:02:58.000 And there was no violence.
00:03:00.000 They were pushed back and vacated.
00:03:02.000 There were some lefty agitators who did do destructive things, which has given the pretext for the new federal regime to clamp down.
00:03:11.000 They've already clamped down heavily on journalists, on pastors, on protest leaders, on Indigenous peoples who have been leading these protests.
00:03:18.000 They've censored them.
00:03:19.000 They've frozen their bank accounts.
00:03:21.000 They've taken, deplatformed them out of social media.
00:03:25.000 And there are more arrests coming, certainly.
00:03:27.000 I mean, they are going to use this to cement power aggressively, as we would expect from those who are admittedly Marxists and believe that Venezuela is a successful experiment in corporate national governance.
00:03:40.000 I think a lot of the anger that the people are feeling in Brazil is that the election was not legitimate, which I find hilarious when Americans say Brazilian elections are legitimate.
00:03:51.000 They're barely flirting on third world status when it comes to elections, okay?
00:03:55.000 And the second is this growing sense of anger that the CCP is about to take over Brazil.
00:04:04.000 Talk about that, Matt.
00:04:05.000 Yeah, well, certainly Lula, you know, important background.
00:04:08.000 Lula was in prison.
00:04:10.000 He was a two-term president who was caught in a massive public corruption scheme.
00:04:17.000 Lava Gioto, known cloakly there, Operation Car Wash, if you went to Wikipedia, Wikipedia's entry about it's actually decently credible and well sourced.
00:04:26.000 This public corruption scheme was Lula and his people, the Workers' Party, the Marxist Party, PT, selling state assets, the country's assets, natural resource assets to China for cash and bags.
00:04:38.000 Petrobras, the biggest company, the state oil giant, was looted and much of the oil was going to Cuba to help support and buffer that regime.
00:04:47.000 By way of background, Lula and Fidel Castro formed the Forum Sao Paulo in 1990 to organize Marxist movements politically all over Latin America.
00:04:56.000 So these ties run very, very deeply.
00:04:58.000 But he was arrested, he was impeached, convicted, arrested, and put in jail.
00:05:02.000 And his judicial appointees and his successors, Dilmarusep, also later impeached and convicted and kicked out of office for the same public corruption scandals.
00:05:11.000 They let him out of jail to run him.
00:05:14.000 So not only did they let him out 580 days into a 12-year sentence, and nobody thought that this judicial process in impeaching and convicting him was dirty.
00:05:25.000 It was three separate courts, 19 judges across three tribunals unanimously.
00:05:30.000 And these were not Bolsonaro appointed judges.
00:05:32.000 These judges predated Bolsonaro.
00:05:35.000 And they convicted him.
00:05:36.000 And then this court came with this election coming into focus and let him out and annulled his sentences, vacated the judgments, and then expunged his record because in Brazil, there's a public corruption law.
00:05:48.000 If you are a felon, you cannot run for public office.
00:05:50.000 So they just wholesale got rid of it.
00:05:52.000 And so people have been already up in arms about that.
00:05:55.000 And then you see, much like we saw with Trump, the enthusiasm gap is so massive, but even more so, Lula, and by the way, the left, the only thing they're good at is protest movements.
00:06:04.000 They send people to the ground and they make themselves look like they have a bigger presence optically than they really do of support within the society.
00:06:12.000 Well, there are no Lula pro-Lula people.
00:06:14.000 In a certification, 20 people showed up outside the building where he was certified.
00:06:18.000 Juxtapose that with the millions who have been camped out in their city squares and outside military barracks.
00:06:24.000 You know, you can find video on my Instagram and Brazilian Patriots Instagrams of Lula everywhere chanted, Lula thief, you belong back in prison everywhere, in malls, in airports.
00:06:35.000 When any of these people go out, the chants start by default.
00:06:39.000 There's no pushback.
00:06:40.000 The support for Lula is de minimis.
00:06:42.000 So nobody has any trust in this election process.
00:06:45.000 And to compound matters, they did not comply with the constitutionally required audit as to be done by the military.
00:06:52.000 The electoral courts overseen by Lula's people, they wholesale ignored the military audit demand, which is constitutionally predicated in the Article 142 that the Patriots of Brazil keep trying to force the invocation of. 0.98
00:07:06.000 So it's a real crap show. 0.97
00:07:09.000 It's really very, very ugly there. 1.00
00:07:10.000 Democracy's dying.
00:07:11.000 Do you think our CIA is involved?
00:07:14.000 Yes.
00:07:16.000 You know, I don't think to an overwhelming degree they help where they can buffer the support.
00:07:21.000 I know for a fact that there have been CIA representatives working out of the State Department's headquarters, the embassy there.
00:07:29.000 I know that from other journalists that I speak to on the ground, that they even had somebody got a business card of a FBI agent.
00:07:36.000 FBI doesn't go down to Brazil. 0.91
00:07:38.000 The FBI does their same kind of chicanery domestically. 0.90
00:07:41.000 This was obviously a CIA front sort of face and business card and image that they were trying to propagate. 0.98
00:07:49.000 We know my first Tucker hit, Tucker and I talked about it.
00:07:49.000 Absolutely.
00:07:52.000 William Burns, the head of the CIA, was sent down there a year ago to finger wag at Bolsonaro's and say, don't get in the way of this election.
00:07:58.000 As if to say, if you know fraud, just let it go because we're on the side of them.
00:08:02.000 They telegraphed it very, very.
00:08:04.000 Yeah, so now Bolsonaro's in a hospital in America?
00:08:08.000 In Orlando.
00:08:09.000 So he went to Orlando the day before the inauguration or two days before the inauguration when the invocation of 142 and getting the military on board with forcing the audit by going to the courts, using their military force to arrest the judges, which is 100% justified given their evisceration in the Constitution.
00:08:25.000 Who judges the judges, right?
00:08:27.000 Who watches the watchers?
00:08:28.000 Well, the judges say, hey, nobody can judge us.
00:08:30.000 Well, the military should have exerted a role that is given to them in the Constitution to take that court by force, to take the electoral machines and audit them and evaluate them for the veracity that the Lula's party has put forward.
00:08:30.000 We're above the law.
00:08:44.000 Didn't happen.
00:08:45.000 Bolsonaro went to Orlando.
00:08:47.000 My guess is he was planning to go into exile somewhere.
00:08:49.000 America is probably not that safe.
00:08:51.000 Or in the State Department, we'll extradite him quite quickly, as well as the journalists who've been in hiding because there have been journalists arrested, censored.
00:08:58.000 This court has run amok with rule of law.
00:09:01.000 It is like watching a Zimbabwe Mugabe style justice administration of justice.
00:09:07.000 And I think that it's not safe for Bolsonaro in the U.S. or any of the Brazilian journalists who've been in exile here.
00:09:13.000 So I do think that I don't know why he's in the hospital.
00:09:15.000 I've seen reports from Globo.
00:09:17.000 Nothing's confirmed as to the details behind it.
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00:09:21.000 I certainly don't put it past our intel community to be involved in anything that is clandestine south of the Tropic of Cancer.
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00:10:37.000 So, Matthew, this is something that people are very passionate about.
00:10:43.000 How does this play out?
00:10:45.000 It seems as if this was a January 6th, January 8th equivalent where now it gives the regime, the Lula regime, a prerogative to now become more totalitarian.
00:10:58.000 Am I reading that correctly?
00:10:59.000 Oh, 100%.
00:11:00.000 I mean, the fact that they got this far with this many people, you know, it was by way of background.
00:11:06.000 When Lula was pushed out of office, it was because the media broke these scandals of public corruption.
00:11:12.000 This is a very different media than it is now.
00:11:14.000 This was 10 plus years ago.
00:11:17.000 And the people went to the streets in such mass and the military defended them in doing so, defended their right to protest, assemble and protest, make their voices heard, that the legislature couldn't ignore it.
00:11:30.000 And they were compelled to impeach him.
00:11:33.000 Now they've learned from that.
00:11:35.000 Every sub-generation, they cement power a little more tightly.
00:11:39.000 You know, Lula has been telling us who he is for many, many decades.
00:11:42.000 I mean, this is a guy who is much like Bernie Sanders, a Marxist labor organizer who got very, very successful in Latin American politics, where there's a proclivity toward Marxism because of the income inequality.
00:11:54.000 And so he founded, as I mentioned, with Fidel in 1990, the Forum Sao Paulo to incubate.
00:11:59.000 And here's who they incubated.
00:12:01.000 Morales in Bolivia, Ortega in Nicaragua, Amlo in Mexico, Kirchner and Fernandez in Argentina.
00:12:08.000 Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela.
00:12:11.000 In fact, Lula invited Maduro to his inauguration.
00:12:16.000 They're close.
00:12:17.000 He was a mentor to Maduro.
00:12:19.000 His head of transition, Monica Valenti, who was the secretary for the Forum Sao Paulo in Brazil, said early on to the media, we need to defend Brazilian democracy like Maduro has to defend his part fought for Venezuelan democracy.
00:12:31.000 They believe that Venezuela is a successful example of Latin American governance.
00:12:37.000 This is a feature, not a bug.
00:12:38.000 They want this.
00:12:39.000 They want to create a South American Latin American superstate right out of Orwell.
00:12:44.000 Orwell discussed this, right?
00:12:45.000 You had three totalitarian communistic superstates, Oceania, East Asia.
00:12:51.000 And this is what Lula wants in South America. 0.52
00:12:54.000 He's already floated in just in the last week, one currency for all of South America.
00:12:59.000 You know, if the Euro was a bad idea, which it is, it makes no economic sense.
00:13:03.000 I'm an economist, to have southern European countries like Italy that are more agrarian paired off with Netherlands and Germany, which are more industrialized, have different growth rates.
00:13:13.000 Well, it makes even less sense to take Brazil and merge it with Venezuela economically, given where they stand in economic productivity.
00:13:22.000 But this is Lula's dream.
00:13:23.000 This is his goal.
00:13:24.000 And yesterday effectively gave him a few more steps forward in it because now they're going to have the pretext to clamp down that much more.
00:13:32.000 And they've been clamping down.
00:13:33.000 They've been clamping down even when Bolsonaro was there.
00:13:35.000 Under Bolsonaro, journalists were in prison.
00:13:38.000 Journalists were censored, arrested.
00:13:41.000 Even his party member elected officials, congressmen, members of the House of Deputies, like Daniel Silvera, who was an elected official.
00:13:48.000 Since then, Carlos Mbele B. Aquisis, these are major, high-ranking people in right-wing Brazilian politics.
00:13:55.000 They've been censored.
00:13:56.000 They've been threatened with arrest.
00:13:57.000 Carlos M. Belli is definitely going to be arrested in coming days.
00:14:00.000 She's a very, very outspoken leader of the Brazilian right.
00:14:05.000 So, I mean, it's going to get very ugly.
00:14:06.000 And I think that if this does not get kinetic into a civil war, which we thought maybe yesterday would be a catalyst for, but it kind of fizzled out, then they've lost their democracy.
00:14:16.000 They've lost the sovereignty.
00:14:17.000 The constitution's been eviscerated.
00:14:19.000 And you know what?
00:14:20.000 These people are Democrats.
00:14:21.000 And you and I have had the philosophical discussion.
00:14:23.000 We're both Claremont fellows.
00:14:25.000 We go deep into this.
00:14:26.000 The difference between democracy and republicanism.
00:14:29.000 The republicanism is constitutionally predicated.
00:14:32.000 We are constitutional republics.
00:14:33.000 Brazil was a constitutional republic.
00:14:35.000 What they want, what the Democrats want, what the Brazilian left wants, they want democracies.
00:14:39.000 Venezuela, in their view, is democracy because they can redistribute wealth and then buy votes and control the machines of everything in society.
00:14:47.000 And then it's mob rule.
00:14:48.000 Well, I mean, we're one of the few programs that say democracy is actually an unsustainable bad idea.
00:14:53.000 It is.
00:14:54.000 Democracy is unsustainable.
00:14:56.000 That doesn't mean that we disagree at the idea of consent of the governed.
00:15:00.000 Those are two different things.
00:15:02.000 Democracy is unsustainable where eventually democracy leads to a dictatorship every single time, period.
00:15:08.000 It's mob rule.
00:15:09.000 It's the 50.1% or half plus one vote the half minus one into their bellies or into the gulag or into servitude.
00:15:20.000 It is, you know, and the democracy underpins our constitutional republic.
00:15:25.000 We believe in democratic voting systems that we have.
00:15:29.000 And this is why the beauty of the Electoral College is a guard against that, is a guard against a democracy government.
00:15:35.000 Democracy leads to despotism.
00:15:36.000 Matthew, thank you so much. 0.95
00:15:37.000 We'll have you on again soon praying for Brazil.
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00:18:30.000 Joining us now is Paulo.
00:18:32.000 Boy, I'm sorry.
00:18:34.000 I can't pronounce this.
00:18:37.000 Figure Doa Philo.
00:18:39.000 I'm sorry, Paulo.
00:18:40.000 I'm just going to call you Paulo, man.
00:18:41.000 How do you pronounce your name?
00:18:43.000 Paulo is fine.
00:18:44.000 The right pronunciation is Figueredo.
00:18:47.000 Figueredo.
00:18:48.000 It's very hard.
00:18:50.000 I'm sorry.
00:18:50.000 Portuguese is.
00:18:51.000 Paulo is good enough.
00:18:52.000 All right.
00:18:53.000 Yeah.
00:18:53.000 Portuguese is not my native tongue, but I'm honored that you're with us.
00:18:57.000 Let me just ask you a very simple yet complicated, it's a simple question to state, complicated answer.
00:19:03.000 What the heck is going on in Brazil?
00:19:05.000 Well, yeah, it's not simple at all, but it's easier for Americans to understand than for most countries, especially for conservatives.
00:19:14.000 Because what happened in Brazil has a lot of similarities to what happened in the U.S. on January 6th.
00:19:23.000 The long story short is that the Brazilian conservatives and the regular people in Brazil, they have been, their voices have not been heard by Brazilian institutions for a long time.
00:19:39.000 This includes the fact that people unconvicted or they really, really made new the conviction of former president Lula for corruption.
00:19:54.000 And that allowed him, he was convicted multiple times, a socialist, now president of Brazil, Lula, and former president of Brazil.
00:20:02.000 He was convicted multiple times for corruptions.
00:20:05.000 And the Supreme Court of Brazil, which they were appointed by majority, I believe nine out of 11 just were appointed by the left in Brazil.
00:20:17.000 And they made all the convictions that Lula had for corruption, they made them go away based on failure on due process.
00:20:30.000 It was not a matter of him being found innocent or not guilty.
00:20:34.000 It was the fact that the due process was not fully followed, according to them.
00:20:41.000 And that made him that made him being able to run again for president.
00:20:49.000 The election was conducted in a very unfair way by one of these justices, a guy called Alejandro de Moraes.
00:20:59.000 The process was very unfair to Bolsonaro, conservative Bolsonaro.
00:21:03.000 And in the meantime, a lot of prosecutions are ongoing against conservatives in Brazil.
00:21:11.000 So it's a complicated story, but the Supreme Court studied probes against conservatives for the crime of fake news and anti-democratic acts.
00:21:23.000 So people are being prosecuted by misinformation and stuff like that.
00:21:31.000 So everything that's been going on against conservatives in Brazil, people have been protesting peacefully for a long time.
00:21:38.000 We had big peaceful demonstrations.
00:21:41.000 And on the past 60 days or more, Brazilians have been peacefully protesting every day against all this that's happening.
00:21:52.000 Okay.
00:21:53.000 And a lot of species of fraud on the election as well.
00:21:56.000 Everything that's around that.
00:22:00.000 The failure of the institutions to listen to Brazilian conservatives.
00:22:04.000 So with that, you have a lot of pressure and people being repressed and people being repressed.
00:22:09.000 So you have two ways of dealing with unhappy people.
00:22:13.000 You have the way that the Western world came up with, which is you have unsatisfied people for some reason.
00:22:20.000 You give them explanations.
00:22:22.000 You try to convince them.
00:22:23.000 You're more transparent with the system.
00:22:26.000 And you have the system that's used in, let's say, China or Russia or Cuba or Venezuela, which is you have unhappy people, you just repress them and you just use violence, use the power of the states to go after them.
00:22:41.000 And to this point, in the past couple of years, but especially in the past two months, they have been using the Chinese way to repress people.
00:22:51.000 And people were very unhappy, very unhappy. 0.91
00:22:54.000 So when you have all these people unhappy and they're not being heard by the system, all you need is some sort of spark.
00:23:02.000 And you can have that with agents provocateurs.
00:23:05.000 And we had that in Brazil.
00:23:07.000 We have several footages of that.
00:23:08.000 Do you think the CIA is involved in that?
00:23:11.000 The American CIA?
00:23:12.000 I don't know.
00:23:12.000 Okay.
00:23:13.000 They might as well, because that's their specialty. 0.68
00:23:17.000 Yeah, color revolutions.
00:23:19.000 I mean, I was joking around is Ray Eps in Brazil.
00:23:22.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:23:23.000 And we have our rate apps.
00:23:26.000 We have now several footages are coming of people that are not conservatives.
00:23:33.000 There were involved in the bad things that happened there because just like January 6th, most of the people that were there were like families protesting peacefully and they just got in and saw what's going on and they tried to steer away from it.
00:23:48.000 But you had a lot of destruction and you see on behind the destruction is people that are not conservatives.
00:23:55.000 Who were they?
00:23:56.000 A lot of people are just yelling false flag, false flag.
00:24:00.000 And we might have some of that as well.
00:24:02.000 That doesn't mean that no conservative was involved in that because, like I said, people were very unhappy and unhappy for legitimate reasons. 1.00
00:24:12.000 The methods are stupid. 1.00
00:24:16.000 So what happened yesterday was to the right, one of the most stupid things that we could ever do. 1.00
00:24:24.000 If that was intentioned by some people, that was like a disaster. 0.99
00:24:28.000 It was the left's wet dream.
00:24:31.000 Okay.
00:24:32.000 Because now they're coming after everyone.
00:24:36.000 They're coming after everyone.
00:24:37.000 Just before we lived two years ago, we saw this.
00:24:41.000 I mean, and they were licking their chops and they arrested a thousand people and they created a new surveillance state.
00:24:46.000 So you guys are going to live through the same sort of aftershocks that we've had to navigate for the last two years.
00:24:52.000 But worse, because Brazilian institutions are not as strong as the U.S. Just before getting into the show, I just found out that the station that I work for, which is the largest, second largest station in the country, and myself are now being investigated by the DOJ for fake news.
00:25:08.000 Yeah.
00:25:08.000 So that's just happened.
00:25:10.000 So do you guys have a robust First Amendment like we do in America?
00:25:15.000 It's in the Constitution, but this is what happened.
00:25:17.000 Right now, the Supreme Court says what the Constitution is whatever they want.
00:25:22.000 So the Constitution of Brazil says we have the right of free speech.
00:25:26.000 It's phrased differently, but it's stated like this.
00:25:29.000 Instead of governments shall not infringe the right of free speech, it's saying it's just there as you have people in Brazil have the right of free speech and free press.
00:25:40.000 But since you have a court that can decide whatever is constitutional or not constitutional, and now they're saying that, yeah, it's free speech, but hate speech is not free speech.
00:25:54.000 You heard that before?
00:25:55.000 Hate speech is not free speech.
00:25:57.000 Misinformation is not free speech.
00:26:00.000 You're overstepping your rights and all that.
00:26:02.000 And it's very familiar because the ideology is the same as in the U.S.
00:26:07.000 The only difference is that the U.S. institutions, although they are flawed, they're more robust than Brazilian institutions.
00:26:15.000 So right now you have a dictatorship in Brazil.
00:26:19.000 This is very important for people to know.
00:26:21.000 Brazil, it's not under the rule of law and democracy.
00:26:24.000 And Brazil is not a democracy by any means anymore.
00:26:27.000 And this is my big argument.
00:26:29.000 I mean, we're against democracies, just so you're clear.
00:26:31.000 And it's a very technical thing.
00:26:32.000 We like, I know, I know.
00:26:34.000 But I'm saying, democracy and public.
00:26:38.000 I'm agreeing with you because democracy, how the neoliberals mean it, will lead the dictatorship.
00:26:44.000 It's chapter two.
00:26:45.000 It starts with giving everyone the appearance that you vote and you have equality.
00:26:50.000 And then you get someone like Lula or Luna.
00:26:54.000 I always get it messed up.
00:26:55.000 Lula.
00:26:55.000 Lula.
00:26:56.000 Who is a Marxist dictator?
00:26:59.000 But Lula is not even the dictator right now.
00:27:02.000 The dictator right now is Alexandri de Moraes, the Supreme Court justice.
00:27:06.000 This guy is doing whatever he wants.
00:27:08.000 And he's prosecuting everyone with fake probes and all that.
00:27:12.000 So the Supreme Court justice has prosecutorial authority in Brazil?
00:27:17.000 They were not supposed to have, but they decided that they have.
00:27:21.000 So if they decide whatever they want.
00:27:23.000 What kind of crazy system is this?
00:27:26.000 It doesn't exist.
00:27:27.000 And they're the victims as well because they're saying they're the victims of misinformation.
00:27:31.000 So this guy, Alicia de Moraes, he is right now, he just, believe it or not, he just was able to get rid for 90 days of the governor of one state saying that he's not in power for 90 days.
00:27:46.000 He's suspended.
00:27:46.000 He suspended a governor.
00:27:48.000 Have you ever heard of this?
00:27:49.000 No, it's not under our law as well.
00:27:51.000 But he decided he can do that.
00:27:53.000 And he's coming after journalists, businessmen, everyone that support ideas that he considers undemocratic and misinformation and hate speech.
00:28:06.000 None of that is, it's in the Brazilian law.
00:28:10.000 None of that.
00:28:11.000 He can't do that as well.
00:28:12.000 He doesn't have the power, but he decided that he does.
00:28:15.000 So it's a dictator.
00:28:17.000 Brazil is not a democracy.
00:28:20.000 It's not under the rule of law.
00:28:21.000 Right now, there's a group of people that can do whatever.
00:28:24.000 This is profound.
00:28:25.000 We have now seen a metamorphosis of the type of government that one of the largest countries in the world lives under.
00:28:33.000 Someone who died way too early was Justice Antonin Scalia.
00:28:37.000 Boy, did he love life?
00:28:38.000 He was larger than life.
00:28:40.000 He was wise and he was clear.
00:28:42.000 And he talked about every banana republic has a Bill of Rights.
00:28:47.000 This applies perfectly to our current Brazil dialogue, PlayCut 27. 0.98
00:28:51.000 But then I tell them, if you think that a Bill of Rights is what sets us apart, you're crazy.
00:29:00.000 Every banana republic in the world has a Bill of Rights. 0.51
00:29:04.000 Every president for life has a Bill of Rights. 0.97
00:29:08.000 The Bill of Rights of the former evil empire, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, was much better than ours. 0.96
00:29:14.000 I mean it literally. 0.97
00:29:16.000 That constitution of the Soviet Union did not prevent the centralization of power in one person or in one party.
00:29:25.000 And when that happens, the game is over. 0.60
00:29:27.000 The Bill of Rights is just what our framers would call a parchment guarantee.
00:29:34.000 He goes on to say it is the structure of the U.S. Constitution that is its brilliance.
00:29:40.000 Paolo, your thoughts?
00:29:42.000 One person, one party.
00:29:43.000 Doesn't matter what's on a piece of paper.
00:29:46.000 It becomes a parchment guarantee.
00:29:49.000 It doesn't.
00:29:49.000 That's exactly what happened to our Constitution.
00:29:53.000 I talked to a few congressmen, U.S. congressmen about what was going on, and they were like, I'm sorry, but how can this happen?
00:30:00.000 How can a Supreme Court justice be prosecuting people?
00:30:04.000 What about separation of powers?
00:30:06.000 What about the accusatory system?
00:30:07.000 You don't have that in Brazil.
00:30:09.000 And I said, of course we do.
00:30:11.000 But once that ideology, they get in power and they decide they can interpret the Constitution whatever way they want, then everything goes away very fast, very fast.
00:30:26.000 And I told them, look, if you had a majority on the Supreme Court of the United States of liberal justices, that would happen so fast, you guys wouldn't believe.
00:30:39.000 So you think you guys, yes, you do have a more robust system in Brazil.
00:30:44.000 It's a fact.
00:30:45.000 That's why this is happening in Brazil and not yet happening exactly the same way in the United States, but it is.
00:30:53.000 Well, no, I mean, America's already lived through many parts of this.
00:30:56.000 I mean, we're not immune to this. 0.98
00:30:57.000 I just think I'll say the one thing that Brazil is worse at, you guys are not really good at hiding it. 0.97
00:31:03.000 You're just kind of owning it. 0.99
00:31:04.000 It's like, yeah.
00:31:05.000 Because they don't have to hide.
00:31:06.000 No, we're like nakedly corrupt and we don't care.
00:31:10.000 Yeah, but they don't have to hide.
00:31:12.000 And behind that, there's the support of the press.
00:31:15.000 So in Brazil, mainstream media still very much liberal.
00:31:20.000 You have one station, which is a station that I work for, second largest news station in Brazil.
00:31:26.000 And right now we have the DOJ coming after us.
00:31:29.000 I just got a message saying that I'm not going to be on the show tonight.
00:31:34.000 The show that I do is the most watched show in the country, political, about politics on TV.
00:31:40.000 I'm talking about TV.
00:31:42.000 And I got a notice saying, no, you're not going to be on until we understand what's going on.
00:31:46.000 So I'm just trying to understand the kind of how they're able to do that.
00:31:52.000 I mean, is it just, is it a gag order or is the is the news agency complying with the military?
00:31:58.000 It's the DOJ.
00:31:59.000 So we covered what happened yesterday and exactly what I said here, I said there, saying that I understand why people are upset. 1.00
00:32:07.000 But, and, and I said, it was stupid. 0.99
00:32:10.000 This needs to stop. 1.00
00:32:12.000 Get the hell out of there.
00:32:13.000 Congress of the public buildings, get the hell out of there. 1.00
00:32:16.000 I saw that movie two years ago in the U.S.
00:32:19.000 And I'm not, I don't like what happened.
00:32:22.000 So get the hell out of that.
00:32:23.000 That's correct.
00:32:24.000 That's the right.
00:32:25.000 Yes.
00:32:26.000 And I was on air.
00:32:27.000 And instead of that, they said, sounds like us.
00:32:30.000 We were on air when it happened two years ago.
00:32:31.000 I'm sorry.
00:32:32.000 Finish your thought.
00:32:32.000 It's just.
00:32:33.000 No, no, no.
00:32:33.000 I was on air.
00:32:34.000 I was, believe it or not, I was on air here covering January 6th in the United States as well, 2020.
00:32:40.000 And I said, oh, this doesn't look good.
00:32:42.000 This is, it's not going to play out well.
00:32:44.000 But now I know exactly what the left done with it.
00:32:48.000 It was everything they wanted.
00:32:50.000 It was, they justified every measure and they were able to come after all the conservatives and to create a chili effect, which made everyone kind of kind of afraid of being a conservative here in the U.S. 0.74
00:33:04.000 And that's going on in Brazil. 0.57
00:33:06.000 Same thing is going on in Brazil.
00:33:07.000 So they got a clip of me saying, well, I understand why people are mad.
00:33:12.000 And they said, well, see.
00:33:13.000 They do.
00:33:13.000 That's the same playbook.
00:33:14.000 I'm telling you, our Intel agencies have to be involved here.
00:33:18.000 This is the same blueprint that they used in the States.
00:33:23.000 I think it's totally possible, but it's also the same ideology.
00:33:28.000 The justice of the Supreme Court, they come here to the U.S. to liberal events and they share their worldview.
00:33:35.000 And if he was up to the liberals in the United States, free speech would be gone by now.
00:33:43.000 That's gone.
00:33:44.000 And it's the same ideology.
00:33:46.000 And they're able to get rid of it in Brazil.
00:33:48.000 Paulo, you're welcome back to our program anytime.
00:33:51.000 You do a wonderful job.
00:33:52.000 And I pray your country can remain free, although I'm skeptical.
00:33:56.000 Paulo, God bless you.
00:33:57.000 Thank you.
00:33:58.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:33:59.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:34:01.000 Everybody, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:04.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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