Matthew Tierman walks us through the protests in Brazil and Paolo Vieira, who is a popular news host in Brazil, gives us the details about what's going on there. And it could be happening here, too.
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00:02:29.000There have been protesters on the ground in Brazil.
00:02:31.000We talked about it at Amfest with you and Steve a few weeks ago.
00:02:35.000We're at day 70, 71 of millions into tens of millions of people who have occupied campsites around military barracks in cities all over the country, and specifically in Brasilia, the federal capital, obviously the most.
00:02:49.000And they marched into these buildings yesterday, the three main buildings being the National Congress building, the Supreme Court building, and the presidential palace.
00:03:02.000There were some lefty agitators who did do destructive things, which has given the pretext for the new federal regime to clamp down.
00:03:11.000They've already clamped down heavily on journalists, on pastors, on protest leaders, on Indigenous peoples who have been leading these protests.
00:03:21.000They've taken, deplatformed them out of social media.
00:03:25.000And there are more arrests coming, certainly.
00:03:27.000I mean, they are going to use this to cement power aggressively, as we would expect from those who are admittedly Marxists and believe that Venezuela is a successful experiment in corporate national governance.
00:03:40.000I think a lot of the anger that the people are feeling in Brazil is that the election was not legitimate, which I find hilarious when Americans say Brazilian elections are legitimate.
00:03:51.000They're barely flirting on third world status when it comes to elections, okay?
00:03:55.000And the second is this growing sense of anger that the CCP is about to take over Brazil.
00:04:10.000He was a two-term president who was caught in a massive public corruption scheme.
00:04:17.000Lava Gioto, known cloakly there, Operation Car Wash, if you went to Wikipedia, Wikipedia's entry about it's actually decently credible and well sourced.
00:04:26.000This public corruption scheme was Lula and his people, the Workers' Party, the Marxist Party, PT, selling state assets, the country's assets, natural resource assets to China for cash and bags.
00:04:38.000Petrobras, the biggest company, the state oil giant, was looted and much of the oil was going to Cuba to help support and buffer that regime.
00:04:47.000By way of background, Lula and Fidel Castro formed the Forum Sao Paulo in 1990 to organize Marxist movements politically all over Latin America.
00:04:58.000But he was arrested, he was impeached, convicted, arrested, and put in jail.
00:05:02.000And his judicial appointees and his successors, Dilmarusep, also later impeached and convicted and kicked out of office for the same public corruption scandals.
00:05:14.000So not only did they let him out 580 days into a 12-year sentence, and nobody thought that this judicial process in impeaching and convicting him was dirty.
00:05:25.000It was three separate courts, 19 judges across three tribunals unanimously.
00:05:30.000And these were not Bolsonaro appointed judges.
00:05:36.000And then this court came with this election coming into focus and let him out and annulled his sentences, vacated the judgments, and then expunged his record because in Brazil, there's a public corruption law.
00:05:48.000If you are a felon, you cannot run for public office.
00:05:52.000And so people have been already up in arms about that.
00:05:55.000And then you see, much like we saw with Trump, the enthusiasm gap is so massive, but even more so, Lula, and by the way, the left, the only thing they're good at is protest movements.
00:06:04.000They send people to the ground and they make themselves look like they have a bigger presence optically than they really do of support within the society.
00:06:12.000Well, there are no Lula pro-Lula people.
00:06:14.000In a certification, 20 people showed up outside the building where he was certified.
00:06:18.000Juxtapose that with the millions who have been camped out in their city squares and outside military barracks.
00:06:24.000You know, you can find video on my Instagram and Brazilian Patriots Instagrams of Lula everywhere chanted, Lula thief, you belong back in prison everywhere, in malls, in airports.
00:06:35.000When any of these people go out, the chants start by default.
00:06:42.000So nobody has any trust in this election process.
00:06:45.000And to compound matters, they did not comply with the constitutionally required audit as to be done by the military.
00:06:52.000The electoral courts overseen by Lula's people, they wholesale ignored the military audit demand, which is constitutionally predicated in the Article 142 that the Patriots of Brazil keep trying to force the invocation of.
00:07:52.000William Burns, the head of the CIA, was sent down there a year ago to finger wag at Bolsonaro's and say, don't get in the way of this election.
00:07:58.000As if to say, if you know fraud, just let it go because we're on the side of them.
00:08:09.000So he went to Orlando the day before the inauguration or two days before the inauguration when the invocation of 142 and getting the military on board with forcing the audit by going to the courts, using their military force to arrest the judges, which is 100% justified given their evisceration in the Constitution.
00:08:28.000Well, the judges say, hey, nobody can judge us.
00:08:30.000Well, the military should have exerted a role that is given to them in the Constitution to take that court by force, to take the electoral machines and audit them and evaluate them for the veracity that the Lula's party has put forward.
00:08:51.000Or in the State Department, we'll extradite him quite quickly, as well as the journalists who've been in hiding because there have been journalists arrested, censored.
00:08:58.000This court has run amok with rule of law.
00:09:01.000It is like watching a Zimbabwe Mugabe style justice administration of justice.
00:09:07.000And I think that it's not safe for Bolsonaro in the U.S. or any of the Brazilian journalists who've been in exile here.
00:09:13.000So I do think that I don't know why he's in the hospital.
00:09:21.000I certainly don't put it past our intel community to be involved in anything that is clandestine south of the Tropic of Cancer.
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00:10:45.000It seems as if this was a January 6th, January 8th equivalent where now it gives the regime, the Lula regime, a prerogative to now become more totalitarian.
00:11:17.000And the people went to the streets in such mass and the military defended them in doing so, defended their right to protest, assemble and protest, make their voices heard, that the legislature couldn't ignore it.
00:11:30.000And they were compelled to impeach him.
00:11:35.000Every sub-generation, they cement power a little more tightly.
00:11:39.000You know, Lula has been telling us who he is for many, many decades.
00:11:42.000I mean, this is a guy who is much like Bernie Sanders, a Marxist labor organizer who got very, very successful in Latin American politics, where there's a proclivity toward Marxism because of the income inequality.
00:11:54.000And so he founded, as I mentioned, with Fidel in 1990, the Forum Sao Paulo to incubate.
00:12:19.000His head of transition, Monica Valenti, who was the secretary for the Forum Sao Paulo in Brazil, said early on to the media, we need to defend Brazilian democracy like Maduro has to defend his part fought for Venezuelan democracy.
00:12:31.000They believe that Venezuela is a successful example of Latin American governance.
00:12:45.000You had three totalitarian communistic superstates, Oceania, East Asia.
00:12:51.000And this is what Lula wants in South America.
00:12:54.000He's already floated in just in the last week, one currency for all of South America.
00:12:59.000You know, if the Euro was a bad idea, which it is, it makes no economic sense.
00:13:03.000I'm an economist, to have southern European countries like Italy that are more agrarian paired off with Netherlands and Germany, which are more industrialized, have different growth rates.
00:13:13.000Well, it makes even less sense to take Brazil and merge it with Venezuela economically, given where they stand in economic productivity.
00:13:24.000And yesterday effectively gave him a few more steps forward in it because now they're going to have the pretext to clamp down that much more.
00:13:57.000Carlos M. Belli is definitely going to be arrested in coming days.
00:14:00.000She's a very, very outspoken leader of the Brazilian right.
00:14:05.000So, I mean, it's going to get very ugly.
00:14:06.000And I think that if this does not get kinetic into a civil war, which we thought maybe yesterday would be a catalyst for, but it kind of fizzled out, then they've lost their democracy.
00:14:35.000What they want, what the Democrats want, what the Brazilian left wants, they want democracies.
00:14:39.000Venezuela, in their view, is democracy because they can redistribute wealth and then buy votes and control the machines of everything in society.
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00:19:05.000Well, yeah, it's not simple at all, but it's easier for Americans to understand than for most countries, especially for conservatives.
00:19:14.000Because what happened in Brazil has a lot of similarities to what happened in the U.S. on January 6th.
00:19:23.000The long story short is that the Brazilian conservatives and the regular people in Brazil, they have been, their voices have not been heard by Brazilian institutions for a long time.
00:19:39.000This includes the fact that people unconvicted or they really, really made new the conviction of former president Lula for corruption.
00:19:54.000And that allowed him, he was convicted multiple times, a socialist, now president of Brazil, Lula, and former president of Brazil.
00:20:02.000He was convicted multiple times for corruptions.
00:20:05.000And the Supreme Court of Brazil, which they were appointed by majority, I believe nine out of 11 just were appointed by the left in Brazil.
00:20:17.000And they made all the convictions that Lula had for corruption, they made them go away based on failure on due process.
00:20:30.000It was not a matter of him being found innocent or not guilty.
00:20:34.000It was the fact that the due process was not fully followed, according to them.
00:20:41.000And that made him that made him being able to run again for president.
00:20:49.000The election was conducted in a very unfair way by one of these justices, a guy called Alejandro de Moraes.
00:20:59.000The process was very unfair to Bolsonaro, conservative Bolsonaro.
00:21:03.000And in the meantime, a lot of prosecutions are ongoing against conservatives in Brazil.
00:21:11.000So it's a complicated story, but the Supreme Court studied probes against conservatives for the crime of fake news and anti-democratic acts.
00:21:23.000So people are being prosecuted by misinformation and stuff like that.
00:21:31.000So everything that's been going on against conservatives in Brazil, people have been protesting peacefully for a long time.
00:22:23.000You're more transparent with the system.
00:22:26.000And you have the system that's used in, let's say, China or Russia or Cuba or Venezuela, which is you have unhappy people, you just repress them and you just use violence, use the power of the states to go after them.
00:22:41.000And to this point, in the past couple of years, but especially in the past two months, they have been using the Chinese way to repress people.
00:22:51.000And people were very unhappy, very unhappy.
00:22:54.000So when you have all these people unhappy and they're not being heard by the system, all you need is some sort of spark.
00:23:02.000And you can have that with agents provocateurs.
00:23:26.000We have now several footages are coming of people that are not conservatives.
00:23:33.000There were involved in the bad things that happened there because just like January 6th, most of the people that were there were like families protesting peacefully and they just got in and saw what's going on and they tried to steer away from it.
00:23:48.000But you had a lot of destruction and you see on behind the destruction is people that are not conservatives.
00:23:56.000A lot of people are just yelling false flag, false flag.
00:24:00.000And we might have some of that as well.
00:24:02.000That doesn't mean that no conservative was involved in that because, like I said, people were very unhappy and unhappy for legitimate reasons.
00:24:37.000Just before we lived two years ago, we saw this.
00:24:41.000I mean, and they were licking their chops and they arrested a thousand people and they created a new surveillance state.
00:24:46.000So you guys are going to live through the same sort of aftershocks that we've had to navigate for the last two years.
00:24:52.000But worse, because Brazilian institutions are not as strong as the U.S. Just before getting into the show, I just found out that the station that I work for, which is the largest, second largest station in the country, and myself are now being investigated by the DOJ for fake news.
00:25:10.000So do you guys have a robust First Amendment like we do in America?
00:25:15.000It's in the Constitution, but this is what happened.
00:25:17.000Right now, the Supreme Court says what the Constitution is whatever they want.
00:25:22.000So the Constitution of Brazil says we have the right of free speech.
00:25:26.000It's phrased differently, but it's stated like this.
00:25:29.000Instead of governments shall not infringe the right of free speech, it's saying it's just there as you have people in Brazil have the right of free speech and free press.
00:25:40.000But since you have a court that can decide whatever is constitutional or not constitutional, and now they're saying that, yeah, it's free speech, but hate speech is not free speech.
00:27:27.000And they're the victims as well because they're saying they're the victims of misinformation.
00:27:31.000So this guy, Alicia de Moraes, he is right now, he just, believe it or not, he just was able to get rid for 90 days of the governor of one state saying that he's not in power for 90 days.
00:27:53.000And he's coming after journalists, businessmen, everyone that support ideas that he considers undemocratic and misinformation and hate speech.
00:28:06.000None of that is, it's in the Brazilian law.
00:30:11.000But once that ideology, they get in power and they decide they can interpret the Constitution whatever way they want, then everything goes away very fast, very fast.
00:30:26.000And I told them, look, if you had a majority on the Supreme Court of the United States of liberal justices, that would happen so fast, you guys wouldn't believe.
00:30:39.000So you think you guys, yes, you do have a more robust system in Brazil.
00:32:50.000It was, they justified every measure and they were able to come after all the conservatives and to create a chili effect, which made everyone kind of kind of afraid of being a conservative here in the U.S.