The Charlie Kirk Show - January 06, 2026


January 6, Five Years Later


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On this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Ben Berkwom to remember the heroes of the January 6th, 2019 protest in Washington, D.C. and to pay tribute to those who lost their lives on that day.

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00:01:09.000 All right.
00:01:10.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 It's January 6th, fifth anniversary of the fifth anniversary of the new Pearl Harbor.
00:01:19.000 Yes.
00:01:20.000 The greatest attack on our democracy.
00:01:23.000 Well, it was a great attack on patriots that largely did nothing wrong, most of whom were attacked.
00:01:31.000 Should have probably just beenhunt in American history.
00:01:37.000 For what could have been settled with a mere trespassing charge.
00:01:40.000 And actually, on that note, we here at the Charlie Kirk Show are going to pay tribute to some of these patriots that are in Washington, D.C., marching to raise awareness of injustices that are still unaccounted for.
00:01:54.000 And to help us do that is Ben Berkwom, Real America's Voice national correspondent and host of Lawn Border on Real America's Voice.
00:02:00.000 Ben, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:04.000 Tell us what you're doing on the ground and what, yeah, there you are, walking backwards.
00:02:09.000 Beautiful sight.
00:02:10.000 Ben, tell us what's going on in D.C. Let me just give you the lay of the land.
00:02:14.000 So five years ago today, I was freezing on the ellipse.
00:02:17.000 The ellipse is right over here.
00:02:18.000 We've got the White House right off to my left.
00:02:20.000 We've got the Washington Monument off to our right.
00:02:23.000 This entire area five years ago was packed full of patriotic Americans who love this country, who wanted one simple thing, was the truth about the 2020 elections that the majority, at least MAGA, know was stolen.
00:02:36.000 And so they came to peacefully assemble.
00:02:39.000 President Trump said peacefully march.
00:02:41.000 And we went down and we saw what happened that day.
00:02:43.000 One thing, Andrew, and as we're getting up here, we're going to get to some of the folks that are going to be marching.
00:02:49.000 There's over 200 January Sixers that are here.
00:02:53.000 God bless you guys.
00:02:54.000 You should be thankful you live in a free country.
00:02:56.000 God bless President Trump, huh?
00:02:58.000 Good for you, Ben.
00:02:59.000 And so, but this is the, this is the, you look at what happened, the injustice that happened to these guys, and you compare that to where we're at now in our country.
00:03:09.000 And the bottom line is the message is very simple.
00:03:12.000 We've started it.
00:03:14.000 Thank God President Trump won the election.
00:03:15.000 Thank God he made the pardons.
00:03:17.000 But until the people that orchestrated the real coup against President Trump, the four years of a coup against President Trump, the insurrection against President Trump, all of the Russia collusion hoax, all of that nonsense, the impeachments, everything else, until they're held accountable, the deep state's held accountable, the American people aren't going to rest.
00:03:35.000 And so that's what we're here today.
00:03:36.000 We're going to be talking to some of those 200 January Sixers and helping get their stories out.
00:03:42.000 Some of them still struggling.
00:03:43.000 Many of them not here today, committed suicide.
00:03:46.000 And so it's just, it's a bittersweet day, but thank God they're out.
00:03:51.000 Yeah, Ben, two points on this.
00:03:53.000 One is people don't really know this part of the story behind the pardons of the J Sixers. 0.93
00:03:59.000 But when that was getting debated during the transition, actually Charlie was in the room and spoke up very vociferously on their behalf and said, pardon them all, pardon them all.
00:04:09.000 And that's ultimately what President Trump did.
00:04:12.000 So I want people to know that piece of the story.
00:04:15.000 And I remember when he told me about that, and I said, good for you.
00:04:19.000 Second piece here, Ben, for the audience, please.
00:04:22.000 You know, you talk about the personal stories.
00:04:24.000 I mean, a lot of these people should have, if anything, right, they should have been maybe a trespassing charge.
00:04:29.000 Instead, there was this manhunt across the country.
00:04:32.000 Homes were raided.
00:04:33.000 Families disrupted.
00:04:35.000 Pregnant wives left without their husbands. 1.00
00:04:37.000 And then they were placed in, you know, these jail cells, the gulag, inside of D.C. Tell us more about some of the personal stories from these J6 political prisoners that you have heard on the ground.
00:04:49.000 Well, first, to your first point about Charlie, and America misses Charlie every single day.
00:04:53.000 Charlie was so instrumental in not just getting President Trump elected, but really this MAGA Genesis in the next generation and Gen Z and the next generation.
00:05:04.000 But the seeds that Charlie planted, we're seeing the fruits of those, and I pray we continue to see the fruits of those every day.
00:05:10.000 And to your point, what Charlie said is the only way it could have happened, because to parse through every single one of these, I think of my friend Coy Griffin, who was there that day, never went inside the building.
00:05:20.000 He's Cowboys for Trump.
00:05:22.000 He went up there, had a megaphone, and simply went up on the steps to pray over the crowd.
00:05:27.000 He got on a megaphone, prayed over the crowd, and then he left.
00:05:30.000 He got stuck in solitary confinement for two weeks.
00:05:32.000 He wasn't able to see an attorney, wasn't able to call a family member, slept on a cold floor for praying on a megaphone.
00:05:40.000 And there's story after story after story like that.
00:05:42.000 As you mentioned, trespassing.
00:05:44.000 That's the worst that some people did, not even knowing they were trespassing.
00:05:48.000 It was a fence basically like this.
00:05:49.000 It was green.
00:05:50.000 This is metal.
00:05:51.000 It was plastic that was taken down within minutes before I even arrived.
00:05:55.000 We marched from this location down to the house.
00:06:00.000 When I got there, there were no fences up.
00:06:01.000 You had no idea that there was any barricade that anyone had crossed through.
00:06:04.000 And so a lot of people entered that day, that space, not even realizing that they were breaking the law, going into a place.
00:06:10.000 Now, obviously, we saw some of the violence.
00:06:12.000 We saw the attacks.
00:06:13.000 The question is how much of that was instigated.
00:06:16.000 We're only getting the tip of the iceberg on how involved the federal government was, how many FBI agents were there, which ones of those actually instigated anything, how many Antifa and BLM members were there.
00:06:28.000 We know many other BLM and Antifa were there to instigate violence. 0.79
00:06:28.000 We know John Sullivan. 0.79
00:06:32.000 But the bottom line is we don't know.
00:06:34.000 We still know less than we know.
00:06:36.000 There's a lot we don't know.
00:06:37.000 And the question is, will we ever get to the bottom of it?
00:06:40.000 But to the stories, it's just crazy.
00:06:43.000 I mean, they weren't given Shane Jenkins, big dude, big burly guy.
00:06:47.000 You look at him, you think, man, that's a tough guy.
00:06:49.000 When he talks about just sitting in that cell, he was in there for over a thousand days.
00:06:55.000 There were months that he went where he couldn't brush his teeth.
00:06:58.000 He couldn't clip his nails.
00:06:59.000 He couldn't, no haircuts.
00:07:02.000 I mean, little simple things like that, but just treated like animals.
00:07:05.000 And you compare the way that January 6ers were treated compared to BLM and Antifa, who were burning down our country for four years, who were actually trying to destroy our country from within, who professed that. 0.76
00:07:16.000 They want to destroy America.
00:07:17.000 They want to remake it and their anarchist communist vision.
00:07:22.000 When we're talking about January 6ers, we're talking about patriots that love this country, that want to restore the values of this nation.
00:07:27.000 So huge difference between the people that were arrested and the way they were treated from all of the real insurrectionists that got away with it.
00:07:36.000 Most of the guys in BLM that were burning down their cities never even got charged.
00:07:40.000 Most of Antifa never even got charged.
00:07:41.000 And so that's the, when you look at it, it's the two tiers of justice.
00:07:45.000 Ben, a lot of those BLM rioters got settlements from the cities that they helped burn down. 0.78
00:07:51.000 That's so crazy.
00:07:52.000 So that's when we talk about anarcho-tyranny.
00:07:55.000 It's the law-abiding people that try and do things the right way that the regime will target and harass.
00:08:01.000 And it's the rioters, the lawbreakers, the criminals, the illegal immigrants that get free pass. 1.00
00:08:06.000 They get money.
00:08:07.000 They get subsidies.
00:08:08.000 And then they get settlements from blue states and blue cities.
00:08:11.000 You know, what's an interesting story?
00:08:13.000 You can throw this up.
00:08:14.000 212, reporting from Paul Sperry.
00:08:17.000 New records show U.S. Capitol Police captain Michael Byrd, who fatally shot unarmed J6 protester Ashley Badavitt without warning, has been running an unaccredited daycare center with wife Kaleska from their Maryland home since 2008.
00:08:32.000 Yes.
00:08:33.000 Maryland has received over $190 million in HHS daycare funds.
00:08:38.000 Well, if it's unaccredited, is the idea that they're not a right.
00:08:43.000 Apparently, I don't think I'm ever going to get mad at someone for running an unaccredited market.
00:08:47.000 Questions emerged.
00:08:48.000 You can throw up 211.
00:08:50.000 It's just funny how these different storylines, Ben, seem to overlap.
00:08:54.000 So this is from Town Hall.
00:08:55.000 On January 6th, questions emerge about Michael Bird's taxpayer-funded Maryland daycare.
00:09:00.000 That's out of town hall.
00:09:02.000 So it's just one of those funny, funny overlaps.
00:09:06.000 Yeah, think about the way Michael Byrd was treated while BLM was raging across America.
00:09:13.000 He shoots without warning, as you mentioned, an unarmed civilian who, a veteran of our country, who is simply there, you know, again, wanting answers to a stolen election, shoots and kills her.
00:09:25.000 No accountability.
00:09:26.000 In fact, he gets promoted.
00:09:28.000 And you look at how officers were treated.
00:09:30.000 Obviously, George Floyd and Chauvin and that whole charade, how they were treated.
00:09:35.000 But the difference between the left and the activist response to it.
00:09:41.000 Bird became a hero to the left for murdering Ashley Babbitt, while other cops who actually were doing their jobs against real criminals were demonized and ostracized and lost their jobs many times.
00:09:53.000 It is, it's, again, it all goes back to that double standard.
00:09:57.000 But then you also compare that now to what we're finally finding out.
00:10:00.000 I mean, how did it take this long to get some answers?
00:10:04.000 Shout out to Nick Shirley and the work he did, but to get some answers on this fraud.
00:10:09.000 And shout out to Doge.
00:10:10.000 The only real reason that we have most of these, all of this fraud information about all these fake daycares is because of Doge.
00:10:16.000 I got to wrap, Ben, but give our love to Mickey, Ashley's mom.
00:10:19.000 I saw that she's there with you.
00:10:20.000 God bless you, sir.
00:10:21.000 Thanks for putting a spotlight on this important story.
00:10:24.000 God bless you guys.
00:10:24.000 Talk to you soon.
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00:11:37.000 Very proud of the Real America's Voice team being on the ground with Ben Berkwon, putting the resource on the ground to highlight some of the stories of.
00:11:45.000 And listen, whatever you think about January 6th, whatever you think about it, because, yeah, we shouldn't have been, you know, going inside a capital.
00:11:54.000 But I remember, by the way, Blake, I remember doing that show live that morning with Charlie from Phoenix and being like, please get out.
00:12:01.000 Please get out.
00:12:02.000 Because we knew what they were going to do.
00:12:03.000 They were going to use this against us.
00:12:04.000 It was so obviously bad.
00:12:06.000 It was so.
00:12:06.000 Yes.
00:12:07.000 But regardless of what, you know, what you think about the particulars on that day, these were a lot of really amazing patriots that got caught up in a dragnet and a manhunt, as you said in the first segment, that should have been reserved for the likes of Nicholas Maduro.
00:12:22.000 The way that they came in, guns are blazing, raiding these people's homes, was an absolute travesty and a miscarriage of justice.
00:12:31.000 And I'm glad that we're celebrating their stories because so many of these people had their lives absolutely ruined for basically a trespassing charge.
00:12:37.000 Okay.
00:12:38.000 All right.
00:12:38.000 Moving on to our next story here.
00:12:40.000 This story made me think of you, Blake, and that's why we put it on the rundown here.
00:12:44.000 And that is the New York Times has come out with a whole piece about why Trump and the Trump administration has soured on Machado.
00:12:52.000 Now, Machado is the operation campaign. 0.99
00:12:55.000 Carina Machado.
00:12:57.000 It's like the old SNL bit. 0.98
00:12:58.000 You gotta so there were rumors going around that Trump had lost faith in her because she didn't deny the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:13:07.000 And so we should supply some context to this.
00:13:10.000 Give us the context.
00:13:11.000 Machado was the candidate in the most recent Venezuelan.
00:13:16.000 Yeah, they evicted her.
00:13:17.000 She was going to be the candidate.
00:13:18.000 She couldn't run.
00:13:18.000 She couldn't run.
00:13:19.000 So she had sort of a proxy.
00:13:21.000 So yes, exactly.
00:13:22.000 Her location apparently is unknown right now.
00:13:24.000 Yes.
00:13:24.000 She's been under threat for a long time.
00:13:26.000 And then the other guy was in, I think he fled the country for Spain.
00:13:30.000 Yes.
00:13:30.000 That's correct.
00:13:31.000 But she was the opposition leader. 0.63
00:13:33.000 So she was a common figurehead for the Venezuelan opposition.
00:13:38.000 And then right after they abducted Maduro, it seemed plausible that they would say, okay, install the opposition leader because we'd been endorsing the Venezuelan opposition.
00:13:48.000 We said they actually won.
00:13:49.000 And she got the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:13:51.000 It was the assumption.
00:13:52.000 It was an assumption.
00:13:53.000 And then she won the Nobel Peace Prize back in October instead of Trump.
00:13:58.000 And Trump was just very publicly campaigning for that award in an interesting way.
00:14:04.000 And they awarded it to her instead.
00:14:06.000 She actually did, even the day she received it, she dedicated it to Trump.
00:14:09.000 Yes.
00:14:10.000 But apparently they believed she should have also refused it.
00:14:13.000 Now, this was a rumor.
00:14:14.000 It's unsubstantiated.
00:14:15.000 Well, it was stated, it was reported by the Washington Post.
00:14:19.000 Well, which we know never lies about anything.
00:14:21.000 Oh, the Washington Post has sources in the west.
00:14:23.000 So the rumor has been going around that Trump soured on Machado because she didn't just decline the award and offer it to Trump.
00:14:32.000 I thought that that sounded silly.
00:14:34.000 Okay, so there's a big piece in the New York Times that is detailing why the Trump administration decided not to back Maria Carina Machado as Maduro's replacement.
00:14:47.000 And it has nothing to do with her winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:14:51.000 So I don't know if you want to take this or if you.
00:14:53.000 Sure.
00:14:53.000 Well, what's probably most interesting about it is it seems honestly the first bullet point of it is the most interesting, which is apparently Marco Rubio talked President Trump out of doing it.
00:15:06.000 He said, I'll quote from Ryan Saavedra's summary: if the United States tried to back the opposition, it could further destabilize the country and require a more robust military presence inside of it.
00:15:18.000 And a classified CIA intelligence analysis reflected that view.
00:15:22.000 They were also frustrated that they believed her assessments of the situation in Venezuela were inaccurate, that she underestimated Maduro's strength, that they were skeptical of her ability to seize power.
00:15:39.000 Apparently, Rick Grinnell would go and have meetings, and he was just very annoyed with her.
00:15:44.000 Yeah, when he tried to have an in-person meeting, the U.S. tried to guarantee her security, and apparently she refused to do that, or it somehow didn't materialize despite those promises and those assurances of security.
00:15:57.000 But also, they asked for a list of political prisoners.
00:16:01.000 Apparently, that didn't happen.
00:16:03.000 Over time, the relationship deteriorated, according to people briefed on the interactions.
00:16:07.000 Machado and her team ignored the request for a list of political prisoners.
00:16:11.000 So there was also this issue that Machado had been taking a pretty forceful stance asking for more sanctions against Maduro-backed businesses and products.
00:16:23.000 The whole thing is she does.
00:16:24.000 And that alienated her from the business class.
00:16:27.000 Well, she comes off as just generally being very uncompromising.
00:16:30.000 So it has, like, for example, Machado was upset that Rick Grinnell did not denounce Maduro as illegitimate when Grinnell believed that that would undercut any diplomatic thing.
00:16:39.000 Yeah, they were no negotiations with Maduro's government.
00:16:43.000 They were still trying to have a conversation.
00:16:46.000 So we were open to a negotiated exit for Maduro, and she seemed to kind of have the attitude of Maduro just has to quit.
00:16:53.000 And so it just seems they got very fed up with her, which is a very good adventure in third world politics, I suppose. 1.00
00:16:59.000 It sounds like she basically, there's reason to believe that she had alienated many members of Venezuela's like sort of elite, right?
00:17:05.000 The business class, the civil society.
00:17:08.000 Our position is that she's the valid opposition leader and that she, her proxy, won the election.
00:17:13.000 So you kind of believe in elections or you don't as well.
00:17:16.000 And I think the opening point is one of the most interesting, which is Rubio arguing if we back the opposition, it could destabilize the country.
00:17:23.000 Reading between the lines there, that kind of suggests there's more support for the regime than we might have otherwise thought.
00:17:32.000 But I mean, even if it's 70-30, you don't want to inflame the 30.
00:17:34.000 I mean, that's a landslide by any measure, but you want to bring the entire country together as much as possible.
00:17:40.000 So you want to, instead of picking favorites, picking sides, you want to establish a transition that makes a little bit more diplomatic sense.
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00:18:56.000 That was the game plan.
00:18:57.000 Open up the borders, flood blue states with more people who would be counting the census. 0.98
00:19:02.000 That gives them more members of Congress.
00:19:04.000 Make them more dependent on government that grows government.
00:19:06.000 That gives them greater power.
00:19:08.000 Again, that is what the Democrat Party is all about.
00:19:10.000 Power.
00:19:11.000 Again, the shutdown wasn't about literally the enhanced subsidy.
00:19:15.000 It was about making sure that President Trump has no success.
00:19:19.000 They want, they're happy to take anybody hostage, whatever the collateral damage, bad economy, so that they can win in November and retain power.
00:19:28.000 Democrats want power.
00:19:29.000 They want to rule over the ashes. 0.98
00:19:31.000 They don't care how they get it.
00:19:32.000 That was the point made by the great Senator Ron Johnson from the state of Wisconsin.
00:19:36.000 He joins us now.
00:19:36.000 Senator, welcome back to the show.
00:19:38.000 It's great to see you.
00:19:40.000 I happen to be on that same show coming on after you, and I was watching the program.
00:19:46.000 You were with Charlie Hurd.
00:19:47.000 I was on a few segments later, and I was watching you going like, he's absolutely right.
00:19:53.000 And I texted your team.
00:19:54.000 I was like, I got to get him on to talk about this because what we're seeing in so many of these blue states and with the Somali fraud ring is you see that the tentacles of flooding the world with third worlders and illegal immigrants. 1.00
00:20:07.000 And we're seeing now that this is not just fraud.
00:20:10.000 This could have voting implications.
00:20:11.000 You mentioned the census.
00:20:13.000 Maybe build out that point of what this scheme for power is really all about.
00:20:18.000 Well, happy new year, guys.
00:20:19.000 Yeah, how you know, my concern about what's been uncovered in Minnesota with the Somali child care fraud and Medicaid fraud, that type of thing, is that people will say, okay, we found it.
00:20:32.000 That's the problem.
00:20:33.000 It's literally just the tip of the iceberg.
00:20:36.000 These programs have been designed to be abused, to be difficult to really investigate and convict people based on fraud.
00:20:45.000 But the bottom line, Democrats have always just sought power.
00:20:50.000 To conservatives, it makes no sense.
00:20:52.000 I mean, I've got enough dealing with my own life.
00:20:55.000 I mean, why do you want to control somebody else's life?
00:20:57.000 But that's what Democrats want to do.
00:20:58.000 They want to grow government so they can have the power to control other people's lives.
00:21:02.000 And in order to grow government, they've created all these programs that people sign up for.
00:21:08.000 They daisy chain them.
00:21:10.000 So you sign up for one, you qualify for another, and another, another.
00:21:13.000 They open the borders during Obama and then again during Biden to allow people to flood in this country.
00:21:21.000 Very few people really understand that even illegal immigrants get counted in the census.
00:21:27.000 So when you count them in the census, then they basically reapportion the congressional seats.
00:21:33.000 Those states, the sanctuary states that encourage the illegal immigrants to flood to their states, they get more members of Congress. 0.90
00:21:40.000 That means they've got more votes.
00:21:41.000 And when you've got Congress as evenly divided as we are, one or two seats may make the difference between having Democrats in total control of government like they were when they passed Obamacare to carry out some other massive communist and socialist type of program that, as we're seeing with Obamacare, is utterly failed.
00:22:01.000 But it was designed to fail.
00:22:02.000 So again, that's the whole point.
00:22:04.000 All these programs are designed to grow government, to make more people dependent on government, so they've got the power that people are dependent on voting them back into office.
00:22:13.000 It's sick.
00:22:15.000 To conservative, it makes no sense whatsoever, but that's exactly what Democrats are.
00:22:19.000 That's what they're all about.
00:22:20.000 Yeah, well, I couldn't help but hear that you were echoing some of the sentiments from the great Stephen Miller, Play Cut 210.
00:22:26.000 This was not a loophole.
00:22:28.000 The Biden administration, Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkis, devised a scheme to fly illegal aliens into the country and then to escort them en masse across the border by the millions and to give them something known as parole, which gives them a work permit, which gives them a social security number, which gives them access to the voting booth.
00:22:51.000 This was the plan all along, to get them here illegally so they can get free government benefits, get hooked to welfare, and be able to participate in American elections. 0.94
00:23:01.000 And one more clip here for you, Senator.
00:23:03.000 This is from Nick Shirley and David.
00:23:05.000 We had Nick Shirley on the show.
00:23:07.000 We don't know David's last name, but he's a patriot in Minnesota that helped uncover this massive viral story.
00:23:13.000 And now they're talking about how these Somali immigrants are engaging potentially, I mean, I think it's fairly certain, in voter fraud. 0.99
00:23:22.000 PlayCut 219.
00:23:24.000 And they're all Somali.
00:23:26.000 You're talking probably 100,000 or more people, and they're all living rent-free.
00:23:32.000 They're driving a vehicle that you paid for.
00:23:34.000 They're eating food that you paid for.
00:23:37.000 Everything they do is something you paid for.
00:23:41.000 And for instance, that entire block will then go and vote for one specific candidate.
00:23:46.000 They'll have one person go there and collect all the ballots, and nobody tracks.
00:23:51.000 They could say they have nine people living in an apartment.
00:23:55.000 They're going to send them nine ballots.
00:23:56.000 And then they have someone who comes along, collects all the ballots.
00:24:00.000 So the scheme, the jig is up here.
00:24:02.000 Even when it's not that bad, I remember accounts like, so a lot of them don't speak English.
00:24:07.000 So if you can't speak English, you're allowed to have an interpreter in the booth.
00:24:11.000 And there's tons of accounts where you bring in everyone all at once and they have the same guy going like, that's our guy.
00:24:16.000 That's our guy.
00:24:18.000 Yeah, really, really making, you know, really displaying the sanctity of the secret ballot.
00:24:23.000 Yeah.
00:24:23.000 Yeah.
00:24:24.000 So exactly.
00:24:25.000 I mean, it seems like the jig is up.
00:24:26.000 We pay these people to come here.
00:24:28.000 We settle them.
00:24:29.000 We give them free money.
00:24:30.000 They loot the system, commit fraud, and then they vote Democrat.
00:24:34.000 The question is, what do you do about it now, Senator?
00:24:38.000 Well, the problem is you've got about half the country that votes Democrat, and they have no problem with this.
00:24:42.000 They also want to get their guys and gals into office.
00:24:46.000 So they just look the other way.
00:24:48.000 My concern about only focusing on what's happening in Minnesota, and I'm happy to do that.
00:24:53.000 We have to use that as a springboard to investigate all the fraud.
00:24:57.000 I'm older than you guys.
00:24:59.000 I lived through the development of the big state, the war on poverty, which has utterly failed.
00:25:07.000 But what it did do is it grew government.
00:25:10.000 Back then, when I grew up, my dad worked.
00:25:13.000 My mom stayed at home.
00:25:16.000 We weren't very wealthy, but we had a great life.
00:25:20.000 Parents of faith, they love their kids.
00:25:22.000 Supportive homes, but that was the norm.
00:25:25.000 You didn't need two earner families. 0.62
00:25:27.000 Nowadays, you can't really survive that way.
00:25:30.000 And what's really tragic is the individuals that do work their tail off, making 70, 80, 90,000 bucks a year in a place like Wisconsin, paying taxes, carrying the load for the people who then do videos on social media taunting the hard workers, saying, look at all these benefits I'm getting.
00:25:49.000 Take a look at how much money I've got on my EBT card.
00:25:52.000 Thank you for funding my lifestyle.
00:25:54.000 It is just galling.
00:25:56.000 And you take a look at some of the work by people like former Senator Phil Graham that talks about on average, people benefiting from the wealth fair state not get down about $57,000 a year tax-free benefits.
00:26:11.000 Considering they're deaf, they don't have to work, which is why you've got about 20% of the adult male population out of the workforce permanently.
00:26:19.000 They don't have to.
00:26:20.000 We pay them not to work.
00:26:21.000 We now pay for their health care.
00:26:23.000 And the Medicaid expansion, the Obamacare expansion, and Medicaid is crowding out disabled children from providers because it's more lucrative to get reimbursed $9 to $1 for a single adult.
00:26:34.000 So again, this has been designed.
00:26:36.000 Obamacare was designed to make people dependent on government for the health care.
00:26:41.000 So it could be abused, you know, provider tax.
00:26:43.000 I mean, I could go on and on and on.
00:26:45.000 This is by design.
00:26:47.000 This is exactly what the Democrat Party set out to do, and it's worked marvelously well for them.
00:26:52.000 It's terrible for America.
00:26:54.000 So is the issue, Senator, in this block grant, the way it's sort of like the federal government's giving money to a state like Minnesota or Wisconsin or wherever, Ohio.
00:27:04.000 And then the state is then entrusted with policing the system.
00:27:10.000 But if you get a state like Minnesota where the Democrat politicians are incentivized, especially with a community that votes in blocks like the Somali community, they're incentivized to then turn the other cheek.
00:27:22.000 To turn a blind eye to the fraud right in front of them.
00:27:25.000 Is that the problem with the system or has it run deeper than that?
00:27:29.000 The overall problem is just the massive amount of money we spend.
00:27:33.000 GAO issues an improper payment report since 2003.
00:27:36.000 Since that point in time, they've logged about $2.8 trillion of improper payments.
00:27:41.000 Now, that's a very imprecise term.
00:27:44.000 That also is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
00:27:47.000 So, yeah, I mean, the federal government is the easiest entity to fleece.
00:27:52.000 And so it gets fleeced all the time.
00:27:54.000 And I keep pointing out, you know, the Somalis, they're relatively new to this country. 1.00
00:27:56.000 They're amateurs relative to the entrenched interest, you know, the military industrial complex.
00:28:03.000 I mean, I can tell you story after story of small businesses who create a product for the defense industry, sold it at pennies on the dollar versus what the big contractor bought them and then started charging the Defense Department for.
00:28:18.000 So again, we get fleeced across the board in every program of government.
00:28:23.000 So the solution is you have to reduce the size, scope, and cost of government, but that's not the path we're on.
00:28:28.000 And regrettably, I was one of the big holdouts on the reconciliation bill because I was imploring, I was begging the administration, my colleagues, you guys, we have to return to a reasonable pre-pandemic level of spending.
00:28:41.000 This is absurd.
00:28:42.000 We went from $4.4 trillion to over $7 trillion.
00:28:45.000 We have to return to a reasonable baseline.
00:28:48.000 But, you know, doing those types of spending reductions, that kind of constraint, it's not politically popular.
00:28:54.000 It's often said here in Washington, D.C., show me a member of Congress who ever lost because they spent too much money.
00:29:00.000 You can't.
00:29:01.000 And that's until the public, until the public demands it.
00:29:04.000 And that's the beauty of the Nick Shirley video is the working people of this country.
00:29:08.000 And the question is, are there enough of them that have seen that that are properly outraged by how they are getting screwed, how they're being taken advantage of these people, then go on social media and taunt them for giving this lifestyle where they don't have to work.
00:29:23.000 You work your tail off, you pay the taxes, and I'll live in the lap of luxury off the benefits you provide me.
00:29:30.000 Are there enough Americans? 0.95
00:29:31.000 Have we already crossed that Rubicon where there are too many people going to vote themselves benefits, vote for Democrats, and this democracy, this republic is over?
00:29:41.000 That's the $64,000 question.
00:29:43.000 I can't answer it.
00:29:44.000 Well, it's a terrifying fork in the road that you're presenting.
00:29:48.000 It's something Blake and I argue about off the air all the time.
00:29:52.000 Is there enough virtue left in the people?
00:29:53.000 You know, we often say that you get the leaders that you deserve.
00:29:57.000 And, you know, Charlie's message was always like, be a type of person worthy of great leadership.
00:30:03.000 It starts individually.
00:30:04.000 Are there enough good people left, right?
00:30:06.000 And that is the question.
00:30:07.000 The other question, though, Senator, is, you know, how do we reform our election so that Somali, one Somali can collect eight different ballots, nobody checks it, just hands them all in. 0.98
00:30:19.000 And that's, you know, Trump was mentioning it this morning in front of the House GOP guys, the SAVE Act, play cut 220.
00:30:26.000 You ought to have voter ID.
00:30:28.000 You ought to insist on it.
00:30:29.000 You ought to insist on it.
00:30:31.000 The only reason somebody doesn't want that is because they want to cheat.
00:30:35.000 And you ought to pass the SAFE Act or whatever you're going to call it.
00:30:40.000 I mean, so it's getting mentioned again, Senator.
00:30:43.000 Is there any hope of this?
00:30:44.000 Is there any political will?
00:30:45.000 Or do we have the votes?
00:30:47.000 One of the reasons I reluctantly, and again, I think the filibusters prevent us from being a socialist nation for decades, but Democrats, they're going to get rid of the filibusters.
00:30:57.000 So we better beat them to the punch and to do it so we actually pass pieces of legislation like the SAVE Act, some overall federal controls.
00:31:06.000 And the controls we ought to put in place are the same things our State Department advises other nations to hold free and fair elections.
00:31:13.000 We don't follow our own advice.
00:31:15.000 Okay.
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00:32:26.000 Senator Ron Johnson, you brought up, you opened a huge can of worms.
00:32:31.000 You said something that Blake and I have been having ongoing debates about the filibuster.
00:32:35.000 I am still on the fence because I don't believe with Murkowski and Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell right now that we even have the votes to do much anything good.
00:32:45.000 Rand Paul is always a wild card.
00:32:47.000 Maybe you get 50 plus one on some of these reports.
00:32:50.000 The concern is, do we eliminate the filibuster and then we're not able to pass anything other than the most, you know, oh, we avoid another government shutdown.
00:32:57.000 And then Democrats take power and it's just that much easier for them to tee off on their much more explicit, ambitious agenda, you know, national abortion, national, you know, D.C. statehood, Puerto Rico statehood.
00:33:11.000 A lot of stuff that they've talked about, packing the courts.
00:33:13.000 No, first of all, they're going to do that when they regain power.
00:33:15.000 They purged the two senators that prevented that last time.
00:33:18.000 Again, it's unfortunate that they don't respect the minority rights in the Senate.
00:33:23.000 So the first step would be to lay out the powerful agenda that we could pass. 0.97
00:33:28.000 And that'll take presidential leadership.
00:33:29.000 And I'm not talking about a laundry lip list of three or four dozen items.
00:33:33.000 I'm talking about the three or four or five things that we must do, starting with restoring and do our elections.
00:33:40.000 And that's, you know, Democrats used COVID.
00:33:43.000 They exploited it.
00:33:44.000 They completely, contrary to the Baker Carter bipartisan commission, said that abstee balloting is probably the greatest threat to election integrity.
00:33:51.000 Correct.
00:33:52.000 They used it, you know, doubled the number of abstee ballots.
00:33:54.000 They'd have mail-in balloting, which is why I think Biden, if he actually got the 80 million votes or whatever he got, man, that's a joke.
00:34:01.000 So again, we have to restore integrity to our elections or this thing's over because the Democrats will cheat.
00:34:08.000 They're designing the system to cheat.
00:34:11.000 And they'll cheat.
00:34:12.000 Yeah, no, I totally agree.
00:34:13.000 You know, so my question, so my big white whale is the voting integrity, voter ID, but it's also immigration.
00:34:23.000 And I don't believe that we have the political will or the motivation within either the House or the Senate to get real immigration work done.
00:34:31.000 And I mean, listen, I'm in favor of a net zero immigration moratorium. 1.00
00:34:35.000 I get it.
00:34:36.000 Not everybody's on that wavelength with me.
00:34:38.000 But we cannot be flooding our country.
00:34:41.000 It's not just illegal immigrants, Senator.
00:34:43.000 There is 1.2 million green cards to legals, family reunification, chain migration, Visa Lottery, diversity lottery.
00:34:50.000 All this stuff's got to go.
00:34:51.000 I mean, we don't need it.
00:34:52.000 We got the AI revolution nipping at our heels.
00:34:55.000 We're not going to need a lot of these jobs.
00:34:56.000 Robotics, even for things like farming and different industries that have typically been the ones that are loudest in the room trying to get more immigrants into the country. 1.00
00:35:06.000 We're watching the eraser of American culture before our eyes.
00:35:10.000 And you think about how many babies different immigrants groups are having compared to native-born Americans.
00:35:15.000 This thing is a ticking time bomb, and we're going to lose the country if we don't get that done.
00:35:19.000 But we don't have it.
00:35:20.000 So if I'm going to do filibuster, nuke the filibuster, that's what I want.
00:35:24.000 I want those two things.
00:35:26.000 I don't know your reaction to that and if there's anything else on your laundry list that you think we need to get done.
00:35:30.000 Well, the major thing Democrats exploited in our immigration law was credible fear, the incredibly low standard versus the standard for actual asylum, which was kind of hard to prove.
00:35:40.000 And so we've got to get that initial hurdle much closer to the general asylum standard.
00:35:48.000 That should be a reasonably easy fix.
00:35:51.000 Not really complex legislatively.
00:35:54.000 But again, you start with these are the things that have to be done.
00:35:57.000 Make sure that we've got the votes to do it.
00:35:59.000 I wouldn't do this filibuster until we have that done.
00:36:01.000 Now, short of that, and Mike Lee's the champion of this, we could also stay here in town, stay in legislative session, and do a talking filibuster.
00:36:10.000 And you really need to talk to Mike Lee how you do that.
00:36:13.000 We had him on.
00:36:14.000 Yeah, I like that idea.
00:36:15.000 I actually like that.
00:36:15.000 So we actually discussed that this morning, myself and Rick Scott and Mike Lee.
00:36:20.000 We need to start talking to our colleagues about that because right now, you don't have the votes for eliminating the filibuster.
00:36:25.000 That's just true.
00:36:26.000 But I think we need to express our colleagues in the Republican Conference go, okay, short of that, there are things we have to do.
00:36:32.000 And we talked actually starting about saving with, start with the SAVE Act.
00:36:36.000 Let's take that basic step to restore that level of integrity.
00:36:39.000 Again, I don't want to take over elections.
00:36:41.000 That's a slippery slope.
00:36:43.000 But there have to be some basic federal standards for elections that states have to follow so that we have free and fair elections that don't produce illegitimate votes.
00:36:54.000 Well, God bless you for that.
00:36:56.000 I endorse Senator Lee's because that would be, I mean, the question is Thune at that point.
00:37:00.000 Would Senator Thune be on board with changing the rules and make people actually sit and stand on the Senate floor and argue until they lose steam?
00:37:09.000 I don't know.
00:37:10.000 You would know better.
00:37:12.000 Is there any appetite from Senator Thune?
00:37:15.000 Well, we've got to sell it.
00:37:16.000 I come from a manufacturing background.
00:37:18.000 So what I suggest is we need to put the Senate, when we do that, on a continuous shift, do a scaled-down staff.
00:37:25.000 I mean, I don't want to abuse Senate staff, but I mean, it's pretty easy.
00:37:28.000 You put three shifts.
00:37:30.000 People come in, eight-hour shifts.
00:37:32.000 We've got to be around available.
00:37:34.000 Don't have to be on the floor, but we just have to be available in case there's a quorum call or whatever.
00:37:38.000 So it's entirely doable.
00:37:39.000 You just have to have the will to do it.
00:37:40.000 I always drove my kids nuts to say, you know, three quarters of the word can't is can.
00:37:46.000 And it just requires a willpower.
00:37:48.000 I could imagine being frustrated as your child if you kept hitting me with that one.
00:37:53.000 But yes, absolutely.
00:37:54.000 I totally agree.
00:37:56.000 You just need to have the political will.
00:37:57.000 And I just, you know, I hope for the best from Senator Thune.
00:38:01.000 I just don't hold my breath, unfortunately.
00:38:04.000 I want to get to one other topic here really quick.
00:38:07.000 Yesterday, the president announced that we are, it's a big win for Maha, going from 72 jabs for children, and they're moving it down more in alignment with European, some of the other industrialized nations, 11 injections.
00:38:20.000 What do you make of this?
00:38:22.000 You were huge when it came to fighting the COVID jabs.
00:38:27.000 And so I wanted to get your comments on that, Senator.
00:38:29.000 An incredibly important first step.
00:38:31.000 I give Bobby Kennedy and the president all the credit in the world for doing this.
00:38:35.000 I'm sure it's not popular in the medical establishment who, let's face it, they literally do not understand that much about vaccines.
00:38:42.000 They're just told they're safe and effective and then they move forward.
00:38:45.000 So I would recommend your listeners read Vaccines Amen by Aaron Searies.
00:38:51.000 There are a lot of good books.
00:38:52.000 McCulloch has a good one out, Dissolving Illusions, Turtles All the Way Down, but one that brings it all together most powerfully is Aaron's series, Vaccines Amen.
00:39:02.000 Read that, and you'll start coming to understand really what a reasonable debate is about vaccines and how we should approach it.
00:39:11.000 But I'm happy that we're going more toward a European model, spacing them out, and do real science. 0.63
00:39:17.000 And that's what takes time because we have not had true rigorous studies on the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines.
00:39:25.000 Simply haven't.
00:39:25.000 And that's what Bobby Kenny's been pointing out.
00:39:27.000 That's what Aaron Seary proves in his book.
00:39:30.000 There's a much more rational way of approaching this.
00:39:32.000 Our approach hasn't been rational to this date.
00:39:34.000 So, again, it's a great first step.
00:39:36.000 We had Aaron Seary on the show for a long-form conversation, and it was fascinating.
00:39:41.000 I learned a ton.
00:39:43.000 He cross-examines some of these big pharma folks that are supposed to be experts in injections and vaccines and depositions and gets them to admit that there hasn't been studies on these.
00:39:56.000 It's just, I mean, it will blow your mind when you hear the lack of evidence of science that backs some of these broad-sweeping mandates for our children.
00:40:08.000 It should outrage all of your listeners to the extent that we've been lied to by the medical staff from our federal health agencies.
00:40:14.000 We're not being lied to anymore with Bobby Kennedy and President.
00:40:17.000 God bless you, Senator.
00:40:18.000 We'll have you back on again soon.
00:40:19.000 Thank you.
00:40:20.000 Take care.
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