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00:01:23.000Well, it was a great attack on patriots that largely did nothing wrong, most of whom were attacked.
00:01:31.000Should have probably just beenhunt in American history.
00:01:37.000For what could have been settled with a mere trespassing charge.
00:01:40.000And actually, on that note, we here at the Charlie Kirk Show are going to pay tribute to some of these patriots that are in Washington, D.C., marching to raise awareness of injustices that are still unaccounted for.
00:01:54.000And to help us do that is Ben Berkwom, Real America's Voice national correspondent and host of Lawn Border on Real America's Voice.
00:02:00.000Ben, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:04.000Tell us what you're doing on the ground and what, yeah, there you are, walking backwards.
00:02:18.000We've got the White House right off to my left.
00:02:20.000We've got the Washington Monument off to our right.
00:02:23.000This entire area five years ago was packed full of patriotic Americans who love this country, who wanted one simple thing, was the truth about the 2020 elections that the majority, at least MAGA, know was stolen.
00:02:36.000And so they came to peacefully assemble.
00:02:39.000President Trump said peacefully march.
00:02:41.000And we went down and we saw what happened that day.
00:02:43.000One thing, Andrew, and as we're getting up here, we're going to get to some of the folks that are going to be marching.
00:02:49.000There's over 200 January Sixers that are here.
00:02:59.000And so, but this is the, this is the, you look at what happened, the injustice that happened to these guys, and you compare that to where we're at now in our country.
00:03:09.000And the bottom line is the message is very simple.
00:03:17.000But until the people that orchestrated the real coup against President Trump, the four years of a coup against President Trump, the insurrection against President Trump, all of the Russia collusion hoax, all of that nonsense, the impeachments, everything else, until they're held accountable, the deep state's held accountable, the American people aren't going to rest.
00:03:53.000One is people don't really know this part of the story behind the pardons of the J Sixers.
00:03:59.000But when that was getting debated during the transition, actually Charlie was in the room and spoke up very vociferously on their behalf and said, pardon them all, pardon them all.
00:04:09.000And that's ultimately what President Trump did.
00:04:12.000So I want people to know that piece of the story.
00:04:15.000And I remember when he told me about that, and I said, good for you.
00:04:19.000Second piece here, Ben, for the audience, please.
00:04:22.000You know, you talk about the personal stories.
00:04:24.000I mean, a lot of these people should have, if anything, right, they should have been maybe a trespassing charge.
00:04:29.000Instead, there was this manhunt across the country.
00:04:35.000Pregnant wives left without their husbands.
00:04:37.000And then they were placed in, you know, these jail cells, the gulag, inside of D.C. Tell us more about some of the personal stories from these J6 political prisoners that you have heard on the ground.
00:04:49.000Well, first, to your first point about Charlie, and America misses Charlie every single day.
00:04:53.000Charlie was so instrumental in not just getting President Trump elected, but really this MAGA Genesis in the next generation and Gen Z and the next generation.
00:05:04.000But the seeds that Charlie planted, we're seeing the fruits of those, and I pray we continue to see the fruits of those every day.
00:05:10.000And to your point, what Charlie said is the only way it could have happened, because to parse through every single one of these, I think of my friend Coy Griffin, who was there that day, never went inside the building.
00:06:13.000The question is how much of that was instigated.
00:06:16.000We're only getting the tip of the iceberg on how involved the federal government was, how many FBI agents were there, which ones of those actually instigated anything, how many Antifa and BLM members were there.
00:06:28.000We know many other BLM and Antifa were there to instigate violence.
00:07:02.000I mean, little simple things like that, but just treated like animals.
00:07:05.000And you compare the way that January 6ers were treated compared to BLM and Antifa, who were burning down our country for four years, who were actually trying to destroy our country from within, who professed that.
00:07:17.000They want to remake it and their anarchist communist vision.
00:07:22.000When we're talking about January 6ers, we're talking about patriots that love this country, that want to restore the values of this nation.
00:07:27.000So huge difference between the people that were arrested and the way they were treated from all of the real insurrectionists that got away with it.
00:07:36.000Most of the guys in BLM that were burning down their cities never even got charged.
00:07:40.000Most of Antifa never even got charged.
00:07:41.000And so that's the, when you look at it, it's the two tiers of justice.
00:07:45.000Ben, a lot of those BLM rioters got settlements from the cities that they helped burn down.
00:08:17.000New records show U.S. Capitol Police captain Michael Byrd, who fatally shot unarmed J6 protester Ashley Badavitt without warning, has been running an unaccredited daycare center with wife Kaleska from their Maryland home since 2008.
00:09:02.000So it's just one of those funny, funny overlaps.
00:09:06.000Yeah, think about the way Michael Byrd was treated while BLM was raging across America.
00:09:13.000He shoots without warning, as you mentioned, an unarmed civilian who, a veteran of our country, who is simply there, you know, again, wanting answers to a stolen election, shoots and kills her.
00:09:28.000And you look at how officers were treated.
00:09:30.000Obviously, George Floyd and Chauvin and that whole charade, how they were treated.
00:09:35.000But the difference between the left and the activist response to it.
00:09:41.000Bird became a hero to the left for murdering Ashley Babbitt, while other cops who actually were doing their jobs against real criminals were demonized and ostracized and lost their jobs many times.
00:09:53.000It is, it's, again, it all goes back to that double standard.
00:09:57.000But then you also compare that now to what we're finally finding out.
00:10:00.000I mean, how did it take this long to get some answers?
00:10:04.000Shout out to Nick Shirley and the work he did, but to get some answers on this fraud.
00:10:27.000Candles were lit on Bondi Beach by families, by children, by people of faith to celebrate a festival of light, a festival from Bible times, one that Jesus himself celebrated.
00:10:38.000People gathered with hope, seeking unity and comfort in tradition.
00:10:41.000But instead of light, there was darkness, violence, fear, hatred showing itself at a time meant for prayer and rejoicing.
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00:11:37.000Very proud of the Real America's Voice team being on the ground with Ben Berkwon, putting the resource on the ground to highlight some of the stories of.
00:11:45.000And listen, whatever you think about January 6th, whatever you think about it, because, yeah, we shouldn't have been, you know, going inside a capital.
00:11:54.000But I remember, by the way, Blake, I remember doing that show live that morning with Charlie from Phoenix and being like, please get out.
00:12:07.000But regardless of what, you know, what you think about the particulars on that day, these were a lot of really amazing patriots that got caught up in a dragnet and a manhunt, as you said in the first segment, that should have been reserved for the likes of Nicholas Maduro.
00:12:22.000The way that they came in, guns are blazing, raiding these people's homes, was an absolute travesty and a miscarriage of justice.
00:12:31.000And I'm glad that we're celebrating their stories because so many of these people had their lives absolutely ruined for basically a trespassing charge.
00:13:33.000So she was a common figurehead for the Venezuelan opposition.
00:13:38.000And then right after they abducted Maduro, it seemed plausible that they would say, okay, install the opposition leader because we'd been endorsing the Venezuelan opposition.
00:14:34.000Okay, so there's a big piece in the New York Times that is detailing why the Trump administration decided not to back Maria Carina Machado as Maduro's replacement.
00:14:47.000And it has nothing to do with her winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:14:51.000So I don't know if you want to take this or if you.
00:14:53.000Well, what's probably most interesting about it is it seems honestly the first bullet point of it is the most interesting, which is apparently Marco Rubio talked President Trump out of doing it.
00:15:06.000He said, I'll quote from Ryan Saavedra's summary: if the United States tried to back the opposition, it could further destabilize the country and require a more robust military presence inside of it.
00:15:18.000And a classified CIA intelligence analysis reflected that view.
00:15:22.000They were also frustrated that they believed her assessments of the situation in Venezuela were inaccurate, that she underestimated Maduro's strength, that they were skeptical of her ability to seize power.
00:15:39.000Apparently, Rick Grinnell would go and have meetings, and he was just very annoyed with her.
00:15:44.000Yeah, when he tried to have an in-person meeting, the U.S. tried to guarantee her security, and apparently she refused to do that, or it somehow didn't materialize despite those promises and those assurances of security.
00:15:57.000But also, they asked for a list of political prisoners.
00:16:03.000Over time, the relationship deteriorated, according to people briefed on the interactions.
00:16:07.000Machado and her team ignored the request for a list of political prisoners.
00:16:11.000So there was also this issue that Machado had been taking a pretty forceful stance asking for more sanctions against Maduro-backed businesses and products.
00:16:24.000And that alienated her from the business class.
00:16:27.000Well, she comes off as just generally being very uncompromising.
00:16:30.000So it has, like, for example, Machado was upset that Rick Grinnell did not denounce Maduro as illegitimate when Grinnell believed that that would undercut any diplomatic thing.
00:16:39.000Yeah, they were no negotiations with Maduro's government.
00:16:43.000They were still trying to have a conversation.
00:16:46.000So we were open to a negotiated exit for Maduro, and she seemed to kind of have the attitude of Maduro just has to quit.
00:16:53.000And so it just seems they got very fed up with her, which is a very good adventure in third world politics, I suppose.
00:16:59.000It sounds like she basically, there's reason to believe that she had alienated many members of Venezuela's like sort of elite, right?
00:17:05.000The business class, the civil society.
00:17:08.000Our position is that she's the valid opposition leader and that she, her proxy, won the election.
00:17:13.000So you kind of believe in elections or you don't as well.
00:17:16.000And I think the opening point is one of the most interesting, which is Rubio arguing if we back the opposition, it could destabilize the country.
00:17:23.000Reading between the lines there, that kind of suggests there's more support for the regime than we might have otherwise thought.
00:17:32.000But I mean, even if it's 70-30, you don't want to inflame the 30.
00:17:34.000I mean, that's a landslide by any measure, but you want to bring the entire country together as much as possible.
00:17:40.000So you want to, instead of picking favorites, picking sides, you want to establish a transition that makes a little bit more diplomatic sense.
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00:19:11.000Again, the shutdown wasn't about literally the enhanced subsidy.
00:19:15.000It was about making sure that President Trump has no success.
00:19:19.000They want, they're happy to take anybody hostage, whatever the collateral damage, bad economy, so that they can win in November and retain power.
00:19:54.000I was like, I got to get him on to talk about this because what we're seeing in so many of these blue states and with the Somali fraud ring is you see that the tentacles of flooding the world with third worlders and illegal immigrants.
00:20:07.000And we're seeing now that this is not just fraud.
00:20:19.000Yeah, how you know, my concern about what's been uncovered in Minnesota with the Somali child care fraud and Medicaid fraud, that type of thing, is that people will say, okay, we found it.
00:21:41.000And when you've got Congress as evenly divided as we are, one or two seats may make the difference between having Democrats in total control of government like they were when they passed Obamacare to carry out some other massive communist and socialist type of program that, as we're seeing with Obamacare, is utterly failed.
00:22:04.000All these programs are designed to grow government, to make more people dependent on government, so they've got the power that people are dependent on voting them back into office.
00:22:28.000The Biden administration, Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkis, devised a scheme to fly illegal aliens into the country and then to escort them en masse across the border by the millions and to give them something known as parole, which gives them a work permit, which gives them a social security number, which gives them access to the voting booth.
00:22:51.000This was the plan all along, to get them here illegally so they can get free government benefits, get hooked to welfare, and be able to participate in American elections.
00:23:01.000And one more clip here for you, Senator.
00:25:27.000Nowadays, you can't really survive that way.
00:25:30.000And what's really tragic is the individuals that do work their tail off, making 70, 80, 90,000 bucks a year in a place like Wisconsin, paying taxes, carrying the load for the people who then do videos on social media taunting the hard workers, saying, look at all these benefits I'm getting.
00:25:49.000Take a look at how much money I've got on my EBT card.
00:25:56.000And you take a look at some of the work by people like former Senator Phil Graham that talks about on average, people benefiting from the wealth fair state not get down about $57,000 a year tax-free benefits.
00:26:11.000Considering they're deaf, they don't have to work, which is why you've got about 20% of the adult male population out of the workforce permanently.
00:26:23.000And the Medicaid expansion, the Obamacare expansion, and Medicaid is crowding out disabled children from providers because it's more lucrative to get reimbursed $9 to $1 for a single adult.
00:26:54.000So is the issue, Senator, in this block grant, the way it's sort of like the federal government's giving money to a state like Minnesota or Wisconsin or wherever, Ohio.
00:27:04.000And then the state is then entrusted with policing the system.
00:27:10.000But if you get a state like Minnesota where the Democrat politicians are incentivized, especially with a community that votes in blocks like the Somali community, they're incentivized to then turn the other cheek.
00:27:22.000To turn a blind eye to the fraud right in front of them.
00:27:25.000Is that the problem with the system or has it run deeper than that?
00:27:29.000The overall problem is just the massive amount of money we spend.
00:27:33.000GAO issues an improper payment report since 2003.
00:27:36.000Since that point in time, they've logged about $2.8 trillion of improper payments.
00:27:54.000And I keep pointing out, you know, the Somalis, they're relatively new to this country.
00:27:56.000They're amateurs relative to the entrenched interest, you know, the military industrial complex.
00:28:03.000I mean, I can tell you story after story of small businesses who create a product for the defense industry, sold it at pennies on the dollar versus what the big contractor bought them and then started charging the Defense Department for.
00:28:18.000So again, we get fleeced across the board in every program of government.
00:28:23.000So the solution is you have to reduce the size, scope, and cost of government, but that's not the path we're on.
00:28:28.000And regrettably, I was one of the big holdouts on the reconciliation bill because I was imploring, I was begging the administration, my colleagues, you guys, we have to return to a reasonable pre-pandemic level of spending.
00:29:01.000And that's until the public, until the public demands it.
00:29:04.000And that's the beauty of the Nick Shirley video is the working people of this country.
00:29:08.000And the question is, are there enough of them that have seen that that are properly outraged by how they are getting screwed, how they're being taken advantage of these people, then go on social media and taunt them for giving this lifestyle where they don't have to work.
00:29:23.000You work your tail off, you pay the taxes, and I'll live in the lap of luxury off the benefits you provide me.
00:29:31.000Have we already crossed that Rubicon where there are too many people going to vote themselves benefits, vote for Democrats, and this democracy, this republic is over?
00:30:07.000The other question, though, Senator, is, you know, how do we reform our election so that Somali, one Somali can collect eight different ballots, nobody checks it, just hands them all in.
00:30:19.000And that's, you know, Trump was mentioning it this morning in front of the House GOP guys, the SAVE Act, play cut 220.
00:30:47.000One of the reasons I reluctantly, and again, I think the filibusters prevent us from being a socialist nation for decades, but Democrats, they're going to get rid of the filibusters.
00:30:57.000So we better beat them to the punch and to do it so we actually pass pieces of legislation like the SAVE Act, some overall federal controls.
00:31:06.000And the controls we ought to put in place are the same things our State Department advises other nations to hold free and fair elections.
00:32:26.000Senator Ron Johnson, you brought up, you opened a huge can of worms.
00:32:31.000You said something that Blake and I have been having ongoing debates about the filibuster.
00:32:35.000I am still on the fence because I don't believe with Murkowski and Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell right now that we even have the votes to do much anything good.
00:32:47.000Maybe you get 50 plus one on some of these reports.
00:32:50.000The concern is, do we eliminate the filibuster and then we're not able to pass anything other than the most, you know, oh, we avoid another government shutdown.
00:32:57.000And then Democrats take power and it's just that much easier for them to tee off on their much more explicit, ambitious agenda, you know, national abortion, national, you know, D.C. statehood, Puerto Rico statehood.
00:33:11.000A lot of stuff that they've talked about, packing the courts.
00:33:13.000No, first of all, they're going to do that when they regain power.
00:33:15.000They purged the two senators that prevented that last time.
00:33:18.000Again, it's unfortunate that they don't respect the minority rights in the Senate.
00:33:23.000So the first step would be to lay out the powerful agenda that we could pass.
00:33:28.000And that'll take presidential leadership.
00:33:29.000And I'm not talking about a laundry lip list of three or four dozen items.
00:33:33.000I'm talking about the three or four or five things that we must do, starting with restoring and do our elections.
00:33:40.000And that's, you know, Democrats used COVID.
00:33:44.000They completely, contrary to the Baker Carter bipartisan commission, said that abstee balloting is probably the greatest threat to election integrity.
00:34:13.000You know, so my question, so my big white whale is the voting integrity, voter ID, but it's also immigration.
00:34:23.000And I don't believe that we have the political will or the motivation within either the House or the Senate to get real immigration work done.
00:34:31.000And I mean, listen, I'm in favor of a net zero immigration moratorium.
00:34:52.000We got the AI revolution nipping at our heels.
00:34:55.000We're not going to need a lot of these jobs.
00:34:56.000Robotics, even for things like farming and different industries that have typically been the ones that are loudest in the room trying to get more immigrants into the country.
00:35:06.000We're watching the eraser of American culture before our eyes.
00:35:10.000And you think about how many babies different immigrants groups are having compared to native-born Americans.
00:35:15.000This thing is a ticking time bomb, and we're going to lose the country if we don't get that done.
00:35:26.000I don't know your reaction to that and if there's anything else on your laundry list that you think we need to get done.
00:35:30.000Well, the major thing Democrats exploited in our immigration law was credible fear, the incredibly low standard versus the standard for actual asylum, which was kind of hard to prove.
00:35:40.000And so we've got to get that initial hurdle much closer to the general asylum standard.
00:35:54.000But again, you start with these are the things that have to be done.
00:35:57.000Make sure that we've got the votes to do it.
00:35:59.000I wouldn't do this filibuster until we have that done.
00:36:01.000Now, short of that, and Mike Lee's the champion of this, we could also stay here in town, stay in legislative session, and do a talking filibuster.
00:36:10.000And you really need to talk to Mike Lee how you do that.
00:36:43.000But there have to be some basic federal standards for elections that states have to follow so that we have free and fair elections that don't produce illegitimate votes.
00:36:56.000I endorse Senator Lee's because that would be, I mean, the question is Thune at that point.
00:37:00.000Would Senator Thune be on board with changing the rules and make people actually sit and stand on the Senate floor and argue until they lose steam?
00:37:56.000You just need to have the political will.
00:37:57.000And I just, you know, I hope for the best from Senator Thune.
00:38:01.000I just don't hold my breath, unfortunately.
00:38:04.000I want to get to one other topic here really quick.
00:38:07.000Yesterday, the president announced that we are, it's a big win for Maha, going from 72 jabs for children, and they're moving it down more in alignment with European, some of the other industrialized nations, 11 injections.
00:38:52.000McCulloch has a good one out, Dissolving Illusions, Turtles All the Way Down, but one that brings it all together most powerfully is Aaron's series, Vaccines Amen.
00:39:02.000Read that, and you'll start coming to understand really what a reasonable debate is about vaccines and how we should approach it.
00:39:11.000But I'm happy that we're going more toward a European model, spacing them out, and do real science.
00:39:17.000And that's what takes time because we have not had true rigorous studies on the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines.
00:39:43.000He cross-examines some of these big pharma folks that are supposed to be experts in injections and vaccines and depositions and gets them to admit that there hasn't been studies on these.
00:39:56.000It's just, I mean, it will blow your mind when you hear the lack of evidence of science that backs some of these broad-sweeping mandates for our children.
00:40:08.000It should outrage all of your listeners to the extent that we've been lied to by the medical staff from our federal health agencies.
00:40:14.000We're not being lied to anymore with Bobby Kennedy and President.