The Charlie Kirk Show - JD's Big Sell + Proud to Hate America

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:22.000 How are we doing, Blake?

00:01:23.000 Oh, we're doing lovely.

00:01:24.000 It is June 18th, 2026.

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00:01:42.000 And we have a presser going on with JD Vance right now.

00:01:46.000 Vice President JD Vance is still at it, but we already have a lot of great clips from him.

00:01:50.000 He's just taking questions from the audience.

00:01:53.000 What a trooper.

00:01:54.000 You can even hear it in his voice.

00:01:55.000 He's sort of losing his voice because he has been on an absolute media blitz, and it's JD's big sell.

00:02:03.000 And this is all becoming very, very clear, actually, as this is going on.

00:02:08.000 Now, it's Been clear for a while.

00:02:10.000 If you think back to the Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan piece, where they were contemplating the strikes against Iran to begin with, and Bibi Netanyahu's in the Situation Room, which candidly probably should have happened.

00:02:21.000 But we know the story now.

00:02:22.000 And JD said, I think it's a dumb thing to do, but if you do it, I'll have your back.

00:02:26.000 Marco said, Hey, there were four objectives that the Israelis put out stop their nukes, stop their missiles, regime change, and popular revolt.

00:02:34.000 He said, If you can get the first two, it's good.

00:02:36.000 The second two, I think their intel is garbage.

00:02:39.000 So, if you want to get the first two, go for it.

00:02:42.000 So, these are kind of the stakes, which is very interesting.

00:02:44.000 So, he's taking questions at the presser.

00:02:48.000 We should go through some of the clips first, and then I think we have a lot to explain kind of the story behind the story here.

00:02:54.000 Let's start with SOP 42.

00:02:56.000 They don't get any of the benefits of the bargain.

00:02:58.000 So, what I'd ask all of you is just to report honestly that the United States isn't giving up a cent of money to Iran, and even the economic benefits, the sanctions relief and so forth that comes along with this bargain, only happens if the Iranians perform.

00:03:14.000 We have another good one here.

00:03:15.000 He's explaining why he believes the deal is it's not win with some downside, win lose.

00:03:21.000 It's actually a win win situation for America.

00:03:24.000 44.

00:03:24.000 So you really have a win win situation for the United States of America.

00:03:28.000 If the Iranians don't change their behavior, their military and their nuclear program is still destroyed.

00:03:34.000 If they do change their behavior, then they are going to have a transformative relationship with the Middle East, and the Middle East will have a transformative relationship with the people of Iran.

00:03:44.000 That's a win for the American people and for the President of the United States, regardless of which option the Iranians ultimately choose.

00:03:51.000 We obviously want them to choose the right option.

00:03:54.000 All right, so win win, and I think he's right.

00:03:56.000 And it's just been interesting to see the way that everybody in the social media ecosphere, the commentary ecosphere, has been dividing, right?

00:04:07.000 So you got the war hawks, the hardliners on one side, and then a lot of us that were skeptical about going into Iran in the first place, very happy to see that peace is given.

00:04:17.000 We're giving it a shot, Blake.

00:04:18.000 We're giving it a shot.

00:04:19.000 And I think that's the whole point here is like, yeah, okay, the Iranians have never been good faith actors, but.

00:04:25.000 The Iranians who are bad faith actors are heavily dead.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:30.000 And you've got to give peace a shot here.

00:04:32.000 And so far, so good.

00:04:33.000 And JD lays this out 43.

00:04:35.000 The peace plan in Iran is already bearing real fruits for the American people.

00:04:40.000 Last night, 12.5 million barrels of oil went through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:04:44.000 That is a high since the beginning of the conflict.

00:04:47.000 Oil prices are down nearly at their level from the pre war conflict.

00:04:50.000 Gas prices dropped below $4 a gallon today for the first time since the conflict.

00:04:56.000 And importantly, they're going to keep falling further given how low oil prices are.

00:05:01.000 On the military side, the Iranians, for the second night in a row, did not shoot at any ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

00:05:08.000 So far, they are honoring their end of the commitment.

00:05:10.000 And on the blockade, CENTCOM has allowed north of a dozen ships to go through our naval blockade.

00:05:15.000 And so we're also honoring our end of the early part of the agreement.

00:05:19.000 All right.

00:05:19.000 So we're honoring it.

00:05:20.000 They're honoring it.

00:05:22.000 I understand people's hesitancy to believe that something better can come along because Iran has been bad for 47 years.

00:05:29.000 That's not.

00:05:30.000 A lie to say that.

00:05:31.000 And I understand people's skepticism here.

00:05:34.000 But what is the alternative?

00:05:36.000 That's like, I would love somebody to present me the alternative.

00:05:40.000 Do you expect 100,000 ground troops in Iran?

00:05:43.000 Is that what you want?

00:05:43.000 I mean, I've run into people who say that where they're saying, well, President Trump can't run for re election.

00:05:48.000 The value of being a lame duck is you can do things that are unpopular.

00:05:51.000 Well, I think there's a lot of things worth doing in America that might be unpopular.

00:05:56.000 And I don't think tens of thousands of troops indefinitely in Iran is one of them.

00:06:01.000 Yeah.

00:06:01.000 Well, and listen, we were talking about this with Steve Dace.

00:06:04.000 He's going to come on the show on Monday.

00:06:05.000 We're going to go through this in more detail.

00:06:08.000 But you can make a serious case that the best outcome has actually happened in the sense that, and I'm not saying this is true, but you could make a very strong case for this that not having full regime change could have been the best thing for Iran.

00:06:23.000 So I'm borrowing some of this from Steve here, but he lays it out.

00:06:29.000 Blake and I were on this text with him.

00:06:30.000 Israel and the Arab Sunnis share a mutual disdain.

00:06:34.000 For Iran.

00:06:35.000 They would never agree on what would come next.

00:06:37.000 Okay?

00:06:38.000 An argument could be made toppling the regime increases odds for a spillover regional conflict as everyone tries to establish their presence within an oil rich Iran.

00:06:46.000 This is completely true.

00:06:47.000 It would create a vacuum, a void that everybody would rush into, including bad actors.

00:06:53.000 Kurds want their own country.

00:06:54.000 The Israelis still want the secular youth who protested in January or the grandson of the Shah.

00:07:00.000 Arab Sunnis will want an El Sisi or Erdogan type, and they may all have a different version of that friendly to their interests that they prefer.

00:07:08.000 That's In a conversation Blake and I were having with Steve, he tweeted something similar.

00:07:12.000 The point is, if you fully topple the regime, if that's your alternative, you are going to have a sectarian mess on your hands.

00:07:21.000 Right now, there's a semblance of the old order that can create at least a little structure, maybe a little bit of an opportunity for economic improvement, for stabilization, normalization of relations.

00:07:32.000 And that's what some people want, to be frank.

00:07:34.000 Some people would be fine with sending Iran into civil war, into a bloodbath.

00:07:39.000 They would say, at least then it's not threatening the United States.

00:07:43.000 But that's never been President Trump's way.

00:07:45.000 And personally, I don't think it would be a very ethical way to go about things deliberately.

00:07:51.000 President Trump, he's a guy who likes to make deals.

00:07:53.000 He's a guy who likes to build.

00:07:55.000 He's a guy who likes to reach accommodations.

00:07:57.000 He's proud that he took a lot of messes in the Middle East and took them toward a resolution.

00:08:03.000 Even something like Syria, where there's a ruler we might not 100% like, but Syria's not in civil war anymore.

00:08:09.000 Gaza, certainly a big pile of rubble still, lots of problems, difficulties with the ceasefire, but it's not getting blown up every single day like it was when he took office.

00:08:18.000 President Trump wants to reach resolutions and accommodations that can work.

00:08:22.000 For people, this is a great point you're making.

00:08:24.000 It's so key, and I want our audience to understand this.

00:08:26.000 The old paradigm was these big treaties that one side completely loses and the other side completely wins.

00:08:33.000 Okay, you only get that if you're willing to go all in.

00:08:36.000 The American people are not willing to send ground troops into Iran.

00:08:40.000 So, again, what is your alternative?

00:08:42.000 If you're not going to give peace a chance, if you're going to say this is worse than the JCPOA, which it's not, it's a ridiculous statement to make.

00:08:48.000 Some of my friends have been making that statement.

00:08:51.000 If you're not, what is your alternative?

00:08:53.000 You don't have one.

00:08:55.000 But in today's day and age, when you're willing to do things like a blockade to exert economic force, when you're dropping bombs on their industrial base and on their military base, what you get is a deal, a deal in a Trumpian fashion, which says, hey, we will welcome you back into the world of normalization, of modern economic prosperity if you do X, Y, and Z.

00:09:20.000 And if you don't, we'll drop some more bombs on your head or we'll blockade the strait again.

00:09:23.000 The choice is yours.

00:09:26.000 That's what a Trumpian era deal is going to look like.

00:09:29.000 And it's a complete win.

00:09:31.000 This is the other thing that bothers me.

00:09:32.000 People saying, oh, you lost.

00:09:35.000 They're bending you.

00:09:36.000 You're taking the knee to Iran.

00:09:37.000 That's garbage.

00:09:38.000 All right.

00:09:39.000 So let's go through the story behind the story.

00:09:42.000 It's very interesting.

00:09:43.000 Show the president signing this.

00:09:45.000 He was sitting next to Emmanuel Macron as part of his trip to the G7.

00:09:51.000 So this is actually him signing the MOU.

00:09:53.000 Okay.

00:09:54.000 But the story behind the story is.

00:09:57.000 I think one that it came off like a joke from President Trump, but I think there's truth to it.

00:10:03.000 And it's worth explaining and diving into because there's a lot of speculation.

00:10:08.000 Some of it's probably fake media spin, whatever, but I think there's probably some truth to it.

00:10:13.000 So President Trump is probably caught between two impulses here.

00:10:18.000 He, after all, was the guy that went in and I think wanted to bomb Iran.

00:10:23.000 Actually, you know, there's everybody saying Israel dog walked us into this.

00:10:27.000 I think Israel told the president what he wanted to hear.

00:10:30.000 And he said as much multiple times, saying, if anything, I got them into this.

00:10:34.000 And I don't think he likes being told that he got dog walked.

00:10:36.000 He saw intel from Israel that he liked because he's been saying Iran should not have a nuclear weapon for a long time.

00:10:44.000 He wanted to deal with this.

00:10:45.000 He, after all, took out General Soleimani.

00:10:48.000 Soleimani.

00:10:49.000 Soleimani.

00:10:51.000 He has been on this and fixated on this problem for a long time.

00:10:55.000 All right.

00:10:56.000 But then he's got guys like JD Vance.

00:10:58.000 That didn't want to go in.

00:10:59.000 He's probably looking at the polling.

00:11:01.000 I can tell you, our young people did not like this war to begin with.

00:11:05.000 At Turning Point, our students, they don't know how to defend it.

00:11:07.000 We try and help them explain what the reasoning is, but even, you know, we're a little bit unsure about the results.

00:11:14.000 We love the path to peace, okay?

00:11:16.000 But listen to this clip from President Trump last night, and we'll explain the story behind the story in a second.

00:11:23.000 49.

00:11:24.000 There's some element to this where you send the vice president.

00:11:29.000 If it works out, great, you'll look like a genius for sending him.

00:11:33.000 And if it doesn't work out, it's the vice president's.

00:11:36.000 I like that idea, sure.

00:11:38.000 This way, if it works out, I'm going to take the credit.

00:11:40.000 If it doesn't work out, I'm blaming JD.

00:11:42.000 You better be careful, JD.

00:11:45.000 So, Blake and I had the exact same reaction when we saw that clip.

00:11:50.000 It's a good joke.

00:11:51.000 It's a laughable moment.

00:11:52.000 But it's true, too.

00:11:53.000 But there's some truth to it.

00:11:55.000 And that's why you see JD Vance.

00:11:57.000 Yes, it's part of his book tour, but it's coinciding with the Iran deal.

00:12:01.000 That's why the title of today's stream is The Big Cell from JD.

00:12:06.000 And I'm totally supportive, by the way.

00:12:08.000 That's not a bad thing.

00:12:10.000 JD has been a voice for peace and wrapping this up, and I love that.

00:12:15.000 But look at this headline from Mediite.

00:12:18.000 And this is the story that's being spun, the little webs that's being spun.

00:12:22.000 In DC, in the media bubble, there says Rubio's two day absence, secretary's media silence is a flashing red sign that Trump's Iran deal stinks.

00:12:33.000 Okay, that's mediaite being a bunch of jerks.

00:12:36.000 The deal is an absolute home run for the United States.

00:12:39.000 Even Joel Pollack, by the way, who's Jewish, Jewish America has been very anti Israel, has been in favor of strikes against Iran.

00:12:49.000 I think I said Israel, I meant Iran.

00:12:50.000 It's been very anti Iran, it's been very much in favor of the strikes there.

00:12:55.000 Says this deal is a good deal.

00:12:56.000 So, media can stuff it.

00:12:59.000 But this is the story behind the story.

00:13:01.000 Two scenarios are probably going to play out in the future, and they are high stakes.

00:13:07.000 They are high stakes.

00:13:08.000 Make no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:13:11.000 If this works, this could be the biggest win of JD Vance's career, and frankly, the biggest win for America in a long time.

00:13:19.000 To get this deal done, no nuclear, everything works.

00:13:22.000 Economic revitalization in the region, normalization, stabilization in the Middle East.

00:13:28.000 And JD will be able to take a bow and say, Look, we gave peace a chance and it worked.

00:13:33.000 This is how it should be.

00:13:34.000 We know that President Trump, I mean, he'll say he'll take ownership of it if it works, and he'll deserve to because he made the right call as president.

00:13:41.000 But I don't think anyone's going to forget that if this works out, the vice president put the sell job on it.

00:13:48.000 He was the man who said, We should seek the off ramp.

00:13:51.000 We should try to get the peaceful outcome.

00:13:53.000 We shouldn't escalate.

00:13:55.000 And he's getting the chance to sell it.

00:13:57.000 This is excellent accountability.

00:13:58.000 This is a real version.

00:14:00.000 We'd always joke where the White House would.

00:14:01.000 They'd throw Kamala to the wolves on the border or something when she didn't know what was going on, had no real ownership of what was going on.

00:14:09.000 They complained about it endlessly.

00:14:11.000 We know that this is something close to what Vice President Vance cares about and what he advocates for.

00:14:17.000 And now he's selling it to the public, which he's gotten great training for ever since he became the vice presidential nominee.

00:14:24.000 He was going into those hostile areas, making the sell for the president in 2024, early 25.

00:14:30.000 He's doing it again here.

00:14:33.000 The question is.

00:14:34.000 What happens if it doesn't work out?

00:14:37.000 If it doesn't work out?

00:14:37.000 And I think that's why you see Marco Rubio sort of fading into the background here.

00:14:45.000 I think Marco wants to let JD have his moment and make the big pitch.

00:14:49.000 And I think if it doesn't work out, you're going to see the reemergence of Marco in phase two.

00:14:55.000 So what's happening is Marco is untying himself from this on purpose so that if it doesn't work out, he'll be a fresh face.

00:15:05.000 Clean perspective.

00:15:06.000 He'll be the face of, well, here's the alliance we're building to continue these new strikes on the ground.

00:15:12.000 And we will absolutely crush Iran.

00:15:13.000 Yes.

00:15:14.000 Economically, the blockade, the whole deal.

00:15:17.000 Okay?

00:15:17.000 So that is the story behind the story is that JD is getting his chance here, which I pray with everything I've got that it works.

00:15:26.000 We do not want to send American boys into more blood, sand, and death in the Middle East.

00:15:31.000 The appetite for a ground invasion is nil.

00:15:34.000 It's nothing.

00:15:34.000 Okay?

00:15:35.000 So everybody pushing it.

00:15:37.000 Operating under this old paradigm, no, the neocons are dead.

00:15:40.000 Okay, that era is gone.

00:15:42.000 We don't want to go back there at all.

00:15:44.000 Okay, so I don't know what their expectation is here.

00:15:47.000 You've got to offer something to a modern state.

00:15:50.000 Yeah, sanctions relief.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, the opportunity for regional partners to invest in your economy and your infrastructure.

00:15:57.000 Of course.

00:15:58.000 And President Trump made a great point.

00:15:59.000 He's like, what are we going to do?

00:16:00.000 Hold their money forever?

00:16:03.000 That wouldn't work at all as well.

00:16:05.000 And by the way, having the dollar as the go to de facto currency of the world, that would go away too.

00:16:11.000 All right?

00:16:12.000 If you're just going to rob people and keep their money.

00:16:14.000 So some of you out there that are probably.

00:16:17.000 More on the Warhawk side that want to see the regime fall and all this stuff.

00:16:21.000 I get the frustration.

00:16:22.000 I get the skepticism, but you also have to be realistic.

00:16:26.000 This is a deal that could be a win win and a total slam dunk for the United States if it works.

00:16:31.000 And if it doesn't, expect to see more Marco Rubio coming up in phase two.

00:16:39.000 It feels like our country finally has momentum again with our leaders fighting to restore common sense and American first values.

00:16:46.000 But we've seen this before.

00:16:47.000 Conservatives get comfortable and the left starts taking back.

00:16:50.000 Background inch by inch.

00:16:51.000 We can't let that happen in these midterms.

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00:17:47.000 I've got to wish a happy birthday to.

00:17:53.000 One of our watchers, I think he's on the Rumble stream, MarkB888.

00:17:57.000 He says, Today is his birthday, and he just turned 70, and it blows his mind.

00:18:03.000 God bless him.

00:18:04.000 Yeah, 70.

00:18:05.000 I mean, I think about the idea of turning 70, and it would kind of blow my mind, too.

00:18:09.000 I think every new milestone birthday, it does kind of blow your mind because you internally feel like you're still like a kid, you know?

00:18:15.000 Anyways, happy birthday, Mark.

00:18:17.000 Thanks for watching.

00:18:18.000 We appreciate you, man.

00:18:19.000 All right, Michael Knowles, the great, the one, the only.

00:18:23.000 The papal apologist, Michael Knowles.

00:18:25.000 Welcome back to the show.

00:18:27.000 It's good to see you.

00:18:28.000 Good to be with you, sir.

00:18:29.000 By the way, to the listener who turned 70 today, it's my kid's second birthday, also.

00:18:34.000 So he shares a birthday with my kid, and every kid I have and every day that goes by with my kids, I feel more and more like I am 70.

00:18:42.000 So there's a lot of kind of birthday synergy.

00:18:44.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 Well, I mean, you'll pretty soon probably have a birthday for a kid on every day of the year, right, Michael?

00:18:50.000 That's right.

00:18:50.000 As a good Catholic, you got at least the next month covered.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 You got to time it up.

00:18:55.000 Anyway, you don't want to.

00:18:57.000 Clump them together, Michael.

00:18:58.000 That's, I got, I got, like, Mike, basically from Christmas to February, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm real, I'm in a lot of trouble.

00:19:06.000 You got, like, damage to extend there, which is like a fake holiday.

00:19:09.000 You fold them in with other ones.

00:19:10.000 My sister was, my sister was a Christmas Eve baby.

00:19:13.000 And so, well, I've got a December 29th baby.

00:19:16.000 So I got Christmas, December 29th.

00:19:16.000 Okay.

00:19:18.000 It just, it never ends.

00:19:19.000 That whole, yeah.

00:19:20.000 Anyways, it's not, it's not why you're here.

00:19:22.000 It's not why you're here, Michael.

00:19:23.000 We're moving on.

00:19:24.000 All right.

00:19:24.000 I want to get your reaction.

00:19:26.000 I know you've been supportive of the president and the vice president.

00:19:29.000 Moving towards peace with Iran.

00:19:32.000 And then all the naysayers are coming out of the woodwork.

00:19:35.000 All these people that were like, President Trump is the best.

00:19:38.000 He is going hard after Iran.

00:19:40.000 We love this.

00:19:41.000 Go watch Fox on Sunday night and hear all about how great it is.

00:19:46.000 Now they're all scattering to the wind.

00:19:49.000 There's no support here for this.

00:19:51.000 Of course.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, what's your take on this?

00:19:53.000 It's amazing.

00:19:54.000 What's so amazing is when President Trump entered the war in Iran, you had some people on the right who said, you know, Trump is getting bad advice from people.

00:20:04.000 It's not Trump's fault, but he's getting bad advice.

00:20:06.000 And then you had all the real war hawks coming out and they were saying, you need to go out and you need to blame Trump.

00:20:12.000 You know, how dare you suggest Trump isn't making this call on his own?

00:20:15.000 How dare you suggest.

00:20:16.000 He's not his own free man.

00:20:18.000 He's not intelligent, whatever.

00:20:19.000 But now that we're getting peace, all of a sudden they say, no, it's not Trump's fault.

00:20:24.000 It's his wicked advisors.

00:20:25.000 It's JD Vance's fault.

00:20:27.000 It's Jared Kushner's fault.

00:20:28.000 Someone else's fault.

00:20:29.000 Now we've just completely flipped here.

00:20:31.000 But you know, the one person who hasn't flipped is Trump.

00:20:34.000 And you know what actually hasn't flipped is the American interest.

00:20:37.000 And so Trump has been very clear.

00:20:39.000 He's been tough on Iran.

00:20:41.000 He says that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

00:20:43.000 He's willing to stop that.

00:20:44.000 And in the case of this war, I think he's very, very seriously.

00:20:47.000 Set back the nuclear weapon.

00:20:49.000 He doesn't want to get bogged down in another decade long regime change war.

00:20:49.000 But that's it.

00:20:53.000 The Iranian regime, wicked though it is, is a pretty durable regime.

00:20:57.000 It lasted twice as long already as the CIA backed regime that we installed in 1953.

00:21:02.000 So I don't think that there was any appetite whatsoever for a protracted conflict, American boots on the ground.

00:21:07.000 Trump just wasn't going to go there.

00:21:09.000 And so what you see is Trump is his own man.

00:21:12.000 He achieved a lot of strategic objectives, set back the nuclear program, destroyed the ballistic missiles, took out two levels of the Iranian leadership.

00:21:19.000 But he's, at this point, Interests have diverged.

00:21:22.000 And so at this point, Trump says, we got really what we wanted out of this.

00:21:25.000 The state of Israel might have some other interests here, but that's not really our chief concern.

00:21:30.000 And so now we're going to wind this down, reopen the Strait of Hormuz before we totally obliterate our strategic petroleum reserve.

00:21:36.000 We're going to get 20% of the world's oil flowing again.

00:21:38.000 And we've taught Iran a lesson.

00:21:40.000 Maybe we'll go back in if we have to.

00:21:42.000 This is good stuff.

00:21:43.000 This is exactly what we want.

00:21:44.000 This is the pragmatic foreign policy.

00:21:46.000 In fact, if anyone read the national security document that the White House published last year, This is exactly what we're talking about.

00:21:54.000 I played a clip from that on the show yesterday from his speech, which was it mirrored that strategic document that you're talking about.

00:22:02.000 And I completely agree.

00:22:03.000 People need to remember what the North Star here is and why Trump got elected in the first place and why this pragmatic foreign policy approach completely meets that objective.

00:22:13.000 It mirrors that exactly.

00:22:15.000 Yes, please.

00:22:15.000 Go on.

00:22:16.000 In the document, it says we want to have ideals without being idealist.

00:22:22.000 We want to be realistic without being foreign policy realists.

00:22:26.000 In other words, we want to put America first.

00:22:29.000 Prudence is the paramount political virtue.

00:22:31.000 I think Trump has done this very well.

00:22:33.000 And so now you're starting to see some fissures.

00:22:36.000 A lot of the attacks now are focusing on JD Vance because people don't want to go after Trump directly.

00:22:42.000 But I think a lot of those fissures that you're beginning to see are actually just a reemergence of the fissures you saw back in 2016.

00:22:50.000 You're seeing a lot of old Neville Trump is sort of anti Trump again.

00:22:53.000 Now they're just projecting that onto JD Vance, who's the heir apparent.

00:22:56.000 So, I think you're already beginning to see 2028 play out right now.

00:23:00.000 A lot of divisions within the GOP.

00:23:02.000 The funny thing is, though, there doesn't seem to be a lot of division within the administration.

00:23:06.000 And I'm quite relieved.

00:23:08.000 I think they've played this very, very well.

00:23:09.000 And I think the conclusion of this kind of a war was always going to be a deal that didn't satisfy everybody or a protracted conflict.

00:23:18.000 And given those two options, I'm happy to take the former.

00:23:22.000 I thought you were going to ask a question.

00:23:24.000 I have many thoughts.

00:23:25.000 Many, many thoughts.

00:23:27.000 On this.

00:23:28.000 But looking ahead to 2028, the thought I've had is we see a lot of people, they've clearly wanted to go after JD Vance.

00:23:36.000 They see him as a symbol of a direction in the GOP they don't like.

00:23:41.000 But I've had this thought where they might try to mount a primary challenge to him in 28.

00:23:46.000 They might try to push forward a more hawkish person.

00:23:49.000 And I just wonder is there any appetite for that within the broader base?

00:23:53.000 I feel like we might even have this divergence where there's very angry people in D.C., and the entire rest of the country thinks, Oh, JD's great.

00:24:02.000 He's Trump's guy.

00:24:03.000 He opposes wars in the Middle East.

00:24:04.000 Very lively.

00:24:05.000 That seems awesome.

00:24:06.000 Joy Behar even likes him now.

00:24:08.000 I know.

00:24:09.000 It's funny.

00:24:10.000 Coming out of the, I think she, the vice president, I think just made this point at the White House.

00:24:14.000 Where he said, look, people are saying I don't have any experience negotiating with hostile regimes.

00:24:18.000 I just went on The View and Joy Behar is my best friend now.

00:24:21.000 People are using that, trying to use that against JD.

00:24:23.000 I was like, this is evidence of some real political talent.

00:24:27.000 So I think your point is totally apt, which is, look, the chattering class is all upset about this.

00:24:32.000 The policy wonk bowtie types are upset.

00:24:35.000 But what about the actual GOP base?

00:24:37.000 And I just don't really see it there.

00:24:39.000 I mean, Trump has a lock on the GOP.

00:24:41.000 He took it over in 2016.

00:24:43.000 He remains the man.

00:24:44.000 His approval ratings among the MAGA coalition are still sky high.

00:24:48.000 And so whoever he picks is very likely to be the nominee.

00:24:52.000 The only person right now from within the administration who could seriously challenge Vance is Marco Rubio.

00:24:59.000 Rubio, who I think, by the way, is not all that far apart from Vance, despite what some of the chattering class, they're trying to make him out to be a Bush-era neocon.

00:25:06.000 I don't think that's even really accurate.

00:25:08.000 But even if it were, Marco Rubio's already endorsed JD Vance.

00:25:13.000 And Donald Trump has endorsed the two of them running as a ticket.

00:25:16.000 So I don't know.

00:25:17.000 The division within the chattering class, once again, I don't think you see that in the admin, and I don't think you see it with the base.

00:25:23.000 I think we kind of laid this out in the last segment.

00:25:26.000 I think the future of what happens in 2028, which, you know, it's fun to think about, but we have midterms in between, it could really be determined by what happens with this deal, candidly.

00:25:38.000 If this ends up going swimmingly, this is going to be a huge boon for JD's prospects in the future.

00:25:43.000 And if not, you might see Marco Rubio come in and clean up in phase two.

00:25:47.000 In the, okay, they didn't honor their terms of the agreement.

00:25:51.000 Marco's going to probably play a heavy hand in that, I would think.

00:25:54.000 But it is interesting, this point you're making, I think back to that.

00:25:57.000 National Review magazine.

00:25:59.000 You remember the Never Trumpers?

00:26:01.000 Against Trump.

00:26:02.000 And it was like all the names on that.

00:26:03.000 It's like every single name on that National Review cover are the ones that are saying this deal is no good.

00:26:10.000 It's basically one to one.

00:26:13.000 This is the thing is, you know, look, I think some people were sincerely persuaded to support Trump after they opposed him in 2016, even when they very publicly opposed him.

00:26:22.000 Trump just was really good and he proved a lot of them wrong.

00:26:25.000 So I think there was some of that.

00:26:27.000 But I think the basic.

00:26:28.000 Fissures within the GOP, especially in the conservative movement, chattering class, policy wonk types, I think those still exist.

00:26:35.000 And so it's a curious fact that all of the people who are going most apoplectic over this deal, they're basically all the people who were in the against Trump issue and the big never Trump movement.

00:26:47.000 So those divisions haven't really gone away.

00:26:51.000 I think you're totally right, too, that I mean, I said this right when the bombs started dropping in Iran.

00:26:56.000 I said this is the boldest move that Trump has made of his administration.

00:27:00.000 And it poses the biggest risk.

00:27:01.000 This really could tank his legacy.

00:27:04.000 Now, Trump is very good at giving himself an out.

00:27:06.000 So there is a world in which you have this MOU and then you have the 60 day negotiation period.

00:27:12.000 Well, what's happening in about 60, 70 days?

00:27:15.000 Oh, right, the midterm elections.

00:27:16.000 There is a world in which this gets them through the midterm elections and then the war hawks win out again, depending on Iran's behavior.

00:27:23.000 Now, I hope that's not the case.

00:27:24.000 I hope Iran behaves.

00:27:25.000 I hope this peace deal remains in place.

00:27:28.000 I hope the Strait of Hormuz remains open and we can focus on other things.

00:27:32.000 But with Trump, it's always unpredictable.

00:27:35.000 That's his greatest foreign policy strength when he's negotiating.

00:27:39.000 Well, and I think, you know, I'm reminded of this clip from Charlie where he, I think it was on Jesse Waters the night, it's like the night or the night before Midnight Hammer.

00:27:50.000 And he said, President Trump knows his base very well, and he will not get us embroiled in a forever war, in another quagmire in the Middle East.

00:27:58.000 He knows his base very well.

00:28:00.000 And because of that, Charlie said, I've got his back.

00:28:03.000 You know, it's no secret he was not in favor of Midnight Hammer.

00:28:06.000 But he said, hey, once he made the decision to go in, I've got his back and I trust him not to get us in a forever war.

00:28:12.000 And look, here we are, three months.

00:28:15.000 And if you get the nuclear off the table, if we get the dust, if they let us in and go get it, and the strait remains open with no tolls, you got to give the man some due here.

00:28:27.000 If we can achieve this objective, if Iran comes to their senses and actually acts like a normal country, this would be a huge, huge win.

00:28:36.000 Historic, legacy building kind of win.

00:28:41.000 So here we go.

00:28:43.000 The EU passes its strictest migration law in the EU's history, which it's still, it's not like.

00:28:51.000 It's pretty bad still.

00:28:52.000 It's still bad, but it's in the right direction, okay?

00:28:55.000 And then the Pope, because he just has to, says this.

00:29:01.000 He criticized the blanket remigration as a solution.

00:29:04.000 He says, many times we don't recognize the reasons why these people had to leave their countries.

00:29:08.000 Many reasons violence, war, conflict.

00:29:10.000 So simply saying, we'll send them away.

00:29:13.000 So, we can wash our hands of the problem doesn't seem like the most Christian response to me.

00:29:16.000 We really need to take a look at the cases and, above all, treat people with respect as individuals.

00:29:21.000 Now, I just have to say The headline that we're getting with this is this is how the Daily Beast frames it Pope blasts Trump backed immigration plan as not Christian.

00:29:30.000 Yes, exactly.

00:29:31.000 So, that's how it goes.

00:29:32.000 But here's the EU, folks, chanting, send them back, 53.

00:29:59.000 All right, so that's about as exciting as any deliberative body in the EU will ever get.

00:30:04.000 Send them back.

00:30:05.000 They're not very exciting.

00:30:06.000 It's not very exciting.

00:30:08.000 The clip was about 10 seconds too long.

00:30:09.000 Anyways, Knowles, what do I make of this?

00:30:11.000 What do we make of this?

00:30:13.000 Well, I love, of course, the framing.

00:30:14.000 It always has to be the Pope is attacking Trump when the Pope's comments, like so many of his political comments, were kind of mild mannered.

00:30:22.000 You know, he's well, we need to consider the dignity of the migrant, which, of course, we absolutely have to do.

00:30:26.000 Now, looking back at history, I seem to recall a servant of God, Queen Isabella of Spain, She was pretty tough on the remigration issue.

00:30:34.000 She did reign over the Reconquista, ending 800 years of Muslim occupation of Spain.

00:30:40.000 I think of Pope St. Pius V during the Battle of Lepanto.

00:30:45.000 There were a lot of Turkish Muslims who wanted to migrate into Europe, and the Pope, with the help of Our Lady and Our Lord, turned them around in this improbable win instituted at the Feast of Our Lady of Victory, Our Lady of the Rosary.

00:30:58.000 So, you know, I guess it's a mixed bag on immigration policy over Catholic history, and in fairness to the Pope.

00:31:04.000 When the Pope makes these comments and he's speaking in defense of members of his flock, you know, some of the migrants, most of them are Muslims, I guess, but some of them are in his flock, and he's speaking of human dignity more broadly.

00:31:14.000 But when he was really pressed on the issue last year, on open borders, he said, no, no, no, nobody thinks a country should have open borders.

00:31:21.000 A country has a right to determine who and how and when people come into the country.

00:31:26.000 So when you really press him on the political issue, he's been clear about that.

00:31:30.000 But I agree.

00:31:31.000 I mean, I suppose in this case, it's probably good for European migration policy.

00:31:35.000 That the Pope is not a member of any European parliaments.

00:31:39.000 And, you know, the Pope's brother does also seem to have a little bit of a different view on migration.

00:31:43.000 So, you know, look, I really am a Pope defender.

00:31:47.000 I'm a Pope Leo enjoyer.

00:31:49.000 I think, really, his papacy has been, or his pontificate has been a nice turn of events after recent years.

00:31:57.000 But, yeah, some of the political issues, he's a little bit more to the left.

00:32:00.000 And happily, you know, he's not the one actually legislating in these countries.

00:32:06.000 So I kind of want to get another Pope thing because it links to.

00:32:09.000 Another topic we wanted to, we were hitting earlier about the left doesn't seem to love America as much anymore.

00:32:17.000 And they actually asked the Pope who he would cheer for if Peru and the United States were to play each other.

00:32:24.000 And he, of course, spent a long time as a priest in Peru.

00:32:28.000 And it seems he said he'd probably cheer for Peru.

00:32:32.000 And I'm not going to dive too deep into his personal feelings, but Michael, why don't people want to cheer for the United States?

00:32:38.000 We would be the underdog against Peru, I suspect.

00:32:41.000 Would we?

00:32:42.000 I don't know.

00:32:43.000 I'm really torn on this because I love America, but I really hate soccer and I don't want soccer to take root here.

00:32:51.000 So I guess I have to vote for the American team.

00:32:53.000 You know, when it comes to the Pope saying I'd probably vote for Peru, I do think part, look, maybe he just really likes Peru.

00:32:59.000 He spent a lot of time there.

00:33:00.000 But part of it, I think, is he's very sensitive as the first American Pope.

00:33:03.000 I don't think he wants to be seen as being too partisan or, I don't know, too nationalistic about America.

00:33:10.000 So he's not going to be in the United States on July 4th.

00:33:12.000 He's going to be in Lampedusa.

00:33:14.000 I think there's a little bit of that going on.

00:33:15.000 The one upside to the Pope's American citizenship, we know how he voted, and we know he's the first Pope who is a registered Republican.

00:33:25.000 So I'll take it.

00:33:25.000 You know, I'll take the wins there.

00:33:27.000 In terms of these Democrat politicians, an elected Democrat congressman and the woman that he's running against in New York's 13th, they said, Who are you rooting for in the World Cup?

00:33:36.000 One of them says Mexico, one of them says Senegal.

00:33:39.000 And you think, What the heck, man?

00:33:41.000 You know, look, Democrats have hated America for a long time, but they used to be pretty chill about it.

00:33:45.000 Like when Obama would come out and say, Well, I want to fundamentally transform America.

00:33:50.000 That is a statement of contempt for America.

00:33:52.000 You don't want to fundamentally transform something you love.

00:33:55.000 But at least he's still kind of subtle.

00:33:57.000 He's saying, oh, you know, there's no red America, there's no blue America, United States America, whatever.

00:34:01.000 And so now they're just totally open about it.

00:34:05.000 And I mean, I actually came to the conclusion last night, these people should not vote.

00:34:10.000 And I'm not even, I'm not just being provocative or hyperbolic.

00:34:14.000 If you, certainly if you're an elected representative, for goodness sakes, the congressman's title is U.S. representative.

00:34:19.000 You can't even vote for the U.S. team in the World Cup that we're hosting.

00:34:22.000 But I kind of think, you look at that CNN poll, Reuters Ipsos, showing that support among Democrats for, Pride in America.

00:34:30.000 We have it here.

00:34:31.000 I think we should play it for the audience.

00:34:33.000 38.

00:34:34.000 You'll get the reaction and you'll take us home here.

00:34:37.000 38.

00:34:38.000 Look at how we have an increasing polarization on this issue.

00:34:42.000 We'll display the flag on July 4th, the American flag.

00:34:45.000 Back in July of 2001, look at this.

00:34:48.000 You had 68% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats saying that they would, in fact, display the flag on July 4th.

00:34:55.000 You come over to this side of the screen, Republicans basically are where they were.

00:34:59.000 25 years ago, right?

00:35:01.000 But look at that Democratic percentage absolutely plummeting.

00:35:01.000 64%.

00:35:05.000 Just 27% of Democrats say they will, in fact, display the flag on July 4th, meaning 2026.

00:35:12.000 Look at this.

00:35:13.000 Again, the Democratic percentage absolutely plummets to just 29% of Democrats say they're extremely or very proud to be an American.

00:35:21.000 That Republican percentage, the exact same.

00:35:24.000 All right.

00:35:25.000 Final minute to you, Michael.

00:35:26.000 What do you make of this?

00:35:29.000 These people shouldn't vote.

00:35:30.000 They should not be allowed to vote.

00:35:32.000 I'm not even throwing bombs.

00:35:35.000 I have lots of provocative thoughts about who shouldn't vote.

00:35:38.000 Yeah, well, right.

00:35:39.000 That's true.

00:35:39.000 We could be here all day.

00:35:40.000 You cannot enfranchise people who openly, actively hate the country.

00:35:47.000 The whole point of voting is so that people who have a stake in the country, who wish for the good of the country, can actually promote it.

00:35:53.000 We now have elected representatives and ordinary voters who overwhelmingly and openly hate the country.

00:36:00.000 If those are the people running the country, it ain't going to go well for very long.

00:36:05.000 I mean, and the fact that we're hosting a big soccer tournament maybe is evidence that our national decline is already upon us.

00:36:10.000 It's dead serious that if this is why immigration can be a hazard, you get people whose top priority is a foreign country.

00:36:17.000 A foreign country.

00:36:18.000 Mexico agitates for its immigrants to do this, plenty of other countries do too.

00:36:23.000 Michael, it's very good to have you.

00:36:25.000 We'll certainly be having you on more.

00:36:26.000 I'm sure the Pope will say more things that will occasion comments.

00:36:29.000 If the Pope says something else obnoxious, we're going to.

00:36:32.000 We know who to call.

00:36:33.000 Michael Knowles, thank you for your time, my friend.

00:36:34.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:36:35.000 See you later.

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00:37:54.000 We are joined by one of our favorites.

00:37:56.000 That's Alex Marlowe, editor in chief of Breitbart News and host of the Alex Marlowe Show.

00:38:02.000 Alex, welcome back.

00:38:03.000 It's great to be back.

00:38:04.000 I had such a great time with Blake the other day for a full hour.

00:38:07.000 That was really fun doing the listener QA.

00:38:08.000 So thanks everyone for participating.

00:38:10.000 Well, it was a blast.

00:38:12.000 I was worried about Blake, and I knew that Alex would be the steady hand upon.

00:38:17.000 I'm kidding, Blake.

00:38:18.000 You did a great job.

00:38:19.000 I had lots of great feedback.

00:38:20.000 No, so Alex, we got a lot to get to actually.

00:38:24.000 The Obama Library is opening up with a really crazy clip that we're going to see.

00:38:28.000 The Obama Sandcrawler.

00:38:29.000 The Obama monolith.

00:38:30.000 The Obama.

00:38:31.000 The trash can.

00:38:32.000 The Obama villain.

00:38:33.000 The Obama nation.

00:38:34.000 Lex Luthor headquarters.

00:38:35.000 The abomination that causes desecration across the south side of Chicago.

00:38:40.000 We've got this UFC terror plot that just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

00:38:45.000 And I know that was top of your list here, Alex.

00:38:48.000 I'm going to play a news report on it and get your reaction.

00:38:48.000 So let's get to it.

00:38:51.000 21.

00:38:52.000 News alert DHS confirming the suspected ringleader accused in a plot to carry out a mass casualty attack at the UFC event at the White House on Sunday.

00:39:01.000 Is an illegal immigrant.

00:39:03.000 Our colleagues over at Fox News report the alleged ringleader of this incident, Abraham Alvarez, was in the country illegally from Mexico, but also may have been granted DACA status, allowed to stay back in the Obama administration.

00:39:17.000 Oh, Obama comes right back around.

00:39:19.000 You thought I was just.

00:39:21.000 That wasn't a misdirect.

00:39:22.000 So I thought dreamers just wanted the American dream, Alex.

00:39:26.000 It turns out their idea of the American dream is a mass casualty terrorist event at the White House.

00:39:32.000 Yeah.

00:39:32.000 And there's so many dots to connect here.

00:39:35.000 Of course, we were just completely hoaxed on all the Dreamer stuff.

00:39:38.000 We acted like they were all just going to be doctors and surgeons.

00:39:40.000 Well, actually, some of them just end up doing major terror plots, trying to blow up the White House during a sporting event.

00:39:47.000 Just think about how triggered the anti Trump crowd was by that UFC event.

00:39:51.000 Andrew Breitbart talked about this 15 years ago.

00:39:53.000 We've got to be the fun people.

00:39:54.000 And we were so fun that we threw a big, massive event for tens of thousands of people at the White House, combat fights.

00:40:02.000 The things that people love, combat sports, there's nothing more popular in our culture than this right now.

00:40:07.000 And they try to stop it with lawsuits.

00:40:09.000 And then there are these dreamers trying to blow it up.

00:40:12.000 And this guy overstaying visas because we don't police our visas, a Mexican national.

00:40:17.000 We first thought, I know you guys had a great show title on this, that this was a Luigi plot, that this was Luigi Mangione.

00:40:24.000 It was someone who's just going to blow up the billionaires, which is, of course, should be frowned upon at a minimum.

00:40:29.000 But also, now Luigi, I'm sure you guys caught this.

00:40:32.000 His team is arguing that he's a psychotic, that he is now has a psychiatric defense in his murder trial, even while people on the fringe left of our country treat him as he's still a hero.

00:40:43.000 The left, every one of their narratives is crumbling right now, and we're watching it in real time.

00:40:46.000 I mean, it's not even really crumbling.

00:40:48.000 It just seems that is the left.

00:40:49.000 The left, we've highlighted this many a time that they are, there's a polarization of mental wellness in the country.

00:40:57.000 That if you tell some, if you're willing to tell a pollster, I've been diagnosed with a mental illness of some kind, You're vastly more likely to be on the left.

00:41:06.000 They collect these ailments, these grievances, and that's such a core part of their ideology.

00:41:14.000 That's why that's what's driving the Mangioniism.

00:41:16.000 I am miserable and unhappy, and the problem is a billionaire, a builder, a doer.

00:41:22.000 I could fix everything if I kill them.

00:41:24.000 And that's why we highlighted this as a Mangionius plot.

00:41:28.000 Even if they, in some ways, identified as on the far right, it's going on the horseshoe all the way back around because this.

00:41:36.000 Revolutionary, all consuming, anarchic, destructive violence is fundamentally a part of the left.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, it's horseshoe terrorism, Alex.

00:41:46.000 That's what it is.

00:41:48.000 Yeah.

00:41:48.000 And that's why it feels like there's a huge lane opened up for sane people who are willing to actually use arguments and not just emotions for things.

00:41:57.000 But if you look at where I am at in California, where the state just completely destroyed by illegal aliens, and it's not just people streaming over the border, it's people overstaying visas.

00:42:07.000 And now with Peter Schweitzer's brilliant reporting in the last year, we're learning more details in the birth tourism where people are coming in.

00:42:14.000 They're not even coming in, they're sending surrogates, they're basically doing surrogacy.

00:42:17.000 So, a baby is born in America, but is actually going to grow up in China and then has the freedom to come back and then bring their families through chain migration.

00:42:26.000 That's all law in our country.

00:42:27.000 And the fact that this is tied to Obama, this particular terror plot, to Obama's dreamers, one of Obama's precious dreamers, the day his library opens up, is just, it's such a poetic moment.

00:42:40.000 So, I have to play this clip here for you.

00:42:44.000 It's, do we have it, right?

00:42:46.000 Yes, we do.

00:42:48.000 Obama, he's the gift that keeps on giving.

00:42:50.000 They're doing a big press tour.

00:42:52.000 I don't know if they're trying to raise more money because the contractors are stiffing some of the workers or whatever, but here's Valerie Jarrett, former Obama advisor, christening the Obama Presidential Center opening ceremony with some land acknowledgments.

00:43:09.000 55.

00:43:11.000 We'd also like to take a moment to recognize the original inhabitants of the land upon which we are gathered today.

00:43:18.000 We honor the Anishinaabe, the Council of Three Fires, the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and the Potawatomi nations.

00:43:27.000 So, honest question.

00:43:28.000 Are land acknowledgments the biggest thing that Democrats do?

00:43:34.000 Shout out Potawatomi Nation.

00:43:36.000 No, no, a special shout out to the Council of Three Fires.

00:43:40.000 Shout out Gabrielinos, shout out Tongva's, shout out Navajo.

00:43:43.000 We're just going to start every show.

00:43:44.000 Shout out.

00:43:45.000 Shout out.

00:43:46.000 We just get every show.

00:43:47.000 We're just going to have some new random tribal names.

00:43:49.000 This show is taking place on unceded Arizona Cardinals land.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:55.000 So, we have to make fun of these people.

00:43:56.000 We have no choice.

00:43:57.000 And I love her.

00:43:58.000 They leave us no choice.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, they leave us no choice.

00:44:01.000 And it's just, I know a lot of people listen to audio.

00:44:03.000 I tend to get the shows on audio, but you guys got to check out the visuals because that hairstyle is just beyond belief.

00:44:08.000 She went to the same Lego shop.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, she went to the same Lego shop as James Tallarico went, where they get the full hair pieces and you just snap them on to the top of your head.

00:44:18.000 That's how she got that.

00:44:19.000 It's just perfect.

00:44:21.000 Every single strand is in perfect place.

00:44:23.000 It looks like a Lego piece on her head.

00:44:25.000 She was getting paid a fortune to do this, by the way.

00:44:28.000 And just like you know, she's not even there.

00:44:30.000 Like she was getting paid hundreds of, I think it was like almost like a million dollars was her pay.

00:44:34.000 For to oversee this monstrosity.

00:44:38.000 But it is very nefarious.

00:44:40.000 To make a serious point, there is a huge Reconquista movement in this country where they're trying to act like America is not a legitimate country.

00:44:48.000 We don't really have a right to exist.

00:44:50.000 And we're just invaders of the Native Americans, of the Mexican people who are here on the West Coast.

00:44:57.000 And that is something that we got to nip that in the bud.

00:44:59.000 That should not be common language that's used.

00:45:01.000 Well, that's just a whole California project.

00:45:03.000 I just checked $740,000 a year to build the.

00:45:08.000 At least the second ugliest building in America.

00:45:10.000 Yeah, and the whole press tour that they're doing is just really offensive.

00:45:14.000 So, this one is, I was shocked at this.

00:45:17.000 The lack of self awareness.

00:45:19.000 Self awareness check, Michelle Obama, SOP 50.

00:45:23.000 One word to describe your next chapter.

00:45:25.000 One word.

00:45:27.000 Fun.

00:45:30.000 Me.

00:45:33.000 That's what you call drop the mic.

00:45:36.000 Drop the mic?

00:45:37.000 Say a prayer for your big mic.

00:45:39.000 Say a prayer for Barry there.

00:45:41.000 Michelle Obama's going to be wearing the pants in the relationship now.

00:45:44.000 You might say that she is now the man in the relationship.

00:45:48.000 Shout out, Big Mike.

00:45:49.000 Shout out, but you got to shout it out.

00:45:51.000 But first of all, the last thing people need is more me.

00:45:55.000 We are in a very me age.

00:45:56.000 It's not going great.

00:45:57.000 A lot of mental health issues.

00:45:58.000 People focus too much on me.

00:46:00.000 Also noteworthy, she was in charge of school lunches for her kids and had to get the fat shot herself.

00:46:05.000 Pretty wild.

00:46:06.000 And I don't know if you got that clip of Barack Obama talking and lamenting about how people are chasing money and online clout.

00:46:12.000 The ultimate thirsty guy, the thirstiest boy in America, is Barack Obama.

00:46:16.000 Just Had no track record and needed to be president for who knows what reason.

00:46:21.000 These people are completely out of touch with the public.

00:46:24.000 And increasingly so.

00:46:26.000 Their Martha's Vineyard lifestyle has really not helped them connect with the everyday man.

00:46:35.000 Michelle Obama is a man.

00:46:39.000 Am I right, America?

00:46:45.000 Yeah, just to add to, you know, I've never been like big on the whole big mic thing.

00:46:51.000 It's not my style, really, Alex.

00:46:53.000 But to see how triggered everybody got about this, it's too good.

00:47:00.000 I have to keep playing that clip because it was a silly moment.

00:47:03.000 And everybody's like, oh, you disgraced the White House.

00:47:05.000 No outrage when some tranny's shaking his fake tatas topless at the White House.

00:47:14.000 And then you got Leonard Biden saying that it's a sacred space.

00:47:18.000 Come on.

00:47:19.000 Yeah, of course.

00:47:19.000 And then who was the guy who was having gay sex at the.

00:47:23.000 One of the briefing rooms or whatever it was.

00:47:24.000 It's just like, this stuff goes in and out of your head because it happened all the time.

00:47:30.000 And yes, once the guy with the breasts pulled his fake breasts out on the White House lawn, then that was it.

00:47:38.000 Remember, Obama, I'm sorry, Biden had a flag violation where he was promoting the cuck flag, which is what I'm calling the pride flag now.

00:47:45.000 He's promoting the cuck flag in a more favorable spot, the American flag.

00:47:48.000 All this stuff, I don't even have it committed to memory because it's just stuff that just happened all the time.

00:47:55.000 It's not, we took it as just, that's just how the world is now.

00:47:57.000 It's just the Biden administration constantly desecrating the White House.

00:48:02.000 It was a funny joke.

00:48:02.000 It's not that bad.

00:48:03.000 And I haven't interviewed the guy who said that.

00:48:06.000 But I know why he's doing it to irritate the scolds and the people who have no sense of humor.

00:48:11.000 And he got what he wanted.

00:48:12.000 He tweeted about it.

00:48:13.000 He said, No outrage when you say Melania Trump is an escort.

00:48:17.000 No outrage when you say Charlie Kirk brought death upon himself or Charlie deserved to die.

00:48:22.000 So kiss my you know what, everyone.

00:48:26.000 That was from Josh Hoket, the guy who said that very colorful line about Michelle Obama.

00:48:32.000 Good for him.

00:48:34.000 You guys remember when Kimmel was joking that Melania had widower energy?

00:48:40.000 Remember?

00:48:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:42.000 She had widow energy.

00:48:44.000 An expectant widow.

00:48:45.000 The glow of an expectant widow.

00:48:47.000 She was an expectant widow.

00:48:49.000 None of us have ever said that Michelle Obama has widower energy.

00:48:53.000 None of us have ever said that.

00:48:55.000 I did just say it, though.

00:48:57.000 I'm just saying.

00:48:58.000 I'm just saying.

00:49:02.000 You're spicy.

00:49:03.000 You woke up and you chose spice.

00:49:06.000 I like it.

00:49:07.000 Okay.

00:49:07.000 I got to get into this, though, because I want our audience to be aware of this other story that's going on.

00:49:12.000 So, President Trump started playing some hardball.

00:49:15.000 Now, we are not in favor of warrantless spying on Americans, FISA 702.

00:49:22.000 It's never been something we're going to do.

00:49:23.000 We're on the Mike Lee train here in a big way.

00:49:26.000 He's trying to get the Save America Act passed.

00:49:28.000 So, President Trump.

00:49:30.000 He said, I will not sign your FISA bill, Senate Republicans, if you don't sign, if you don't also pass the Save America Act.

00:49:38.000 Mike Lee is pushing again for this talking filibuster, basically, where you could just debate it till it passes.

00:49:45.000 He said, Don't do it all the time, just do it with this.

00:49:48.000 I actually love that President Trump is playing some hard nosed politics here and tying something that the Senate GOP wants to what American people want, which is widely popular, wildly popular as well.

00:50:01.000 And here's the other point of this Thune has come out now and revealed to, I guess, Axios has admitted that some of the GOP Senate.

00:50:09.000 Hates Trump so much that they will not pass the Save America Act.

00:50:14.000 They will do it to spite him.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, I think at a minimum, we need all those people announced to the public so they become household names.

00:50:22.000 So people like Turning Point Action have very clear directives on who are the people who are causing problems for Republicans, for conservatives, for Trump's movement.

00:50:30.000 I think getting those people out there on record that they're interfering with this obvious necessary thing, Save America Act, super important.

00:50:38.000 And then there's a backdoor chance that.

00:50:40.000 This strategy actually works and we're able to pull stuff off.

00:50:43.000 There's a couple of steps that got to take place.

00:50:45.000 We get a couple more Republicans to come around and we got to blow up the filibuster, which I wasn't for it until actually Scott Besson sort of talked me into it last year, saying that there's just no way to get stuff through unless we do this.

00:50:56.000 And we know the Democrats have designs on not only blowing up the filibuster if they get into power, that they would want to jail all of us, they want to arrest everyone that they possibly can, they want to pack the Supreme Court.

00:51:08.000 But a judge was talking about making it 13 Supreme Court justices.

00:51:12.000 They're going to do all sorts of different stuff.

00:51:14.000 So we need to use the power we got to get as much done as we can.

00:51:17.000 I love that.

00:51:18.000 I'm actually going to take that and run with it.

00:51:21.000 I want to know the names.

00:51:23.000 The best.

00:51:24.000 Listen, JD Vance was asked about this actually in the White House presser this morning.

00:51:28.000 He said, give it a chance.

00:51:29.000 At least give it a try.

00:51:31.000 Like, just do what Mike Lee's asking you to do.

00:51:34.000 Make them debate it, make them go on record.

00:51:37.000 And if there are GOP senators that are politically insane enough, To go against the president, to go against 81% of Americans and fight this, we need their names because, yeah, we will get involved.

00:51:51.000 Turning Point Action will be deployed to primary you.

00:51:55.000 I'm sure there'll be a lot of other groups too.

00:51:57.000 So go on record.

00:51:59.000 If you hate Trump so much that you're willing to do something against the interests of the American people because just to spite him, I want to know names.

00:52:06.000 And I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing to get in a democracy, right?

00:52:10.000 Perfectly reasonable.

00:52:11.000 And we're, look, this is the Charlie Kirk show.

00:52:14.000 We're announcing the intentions are if you're going to interfere with this, Then you're going to have to get primaried and you're going to have to get challenged.

00:52:20.000 And it might not work everywhere.

00:52:22.000 It might not work in Maine with Susan Collins, but that needs to be the point that is made that the base of the conservative movement, which Charlie understood better than anyone, does not like people who hold up basic things that can save the country.

00:52:34.000 That's why it's the Save America Act.

00:52:36.000 It's not unintentional.

00:52:37.000 That was the name.

00:52:38.000 The stakes are that high.

00:52:39.000 And so we're being polite.

00:52:40.000 This is a, we're not going to war with you physically.

00:52:43.000 It's just, we don't want you to be a representative in our Senate.

00:52:46.000 And it's not even just the Save Act.

00:52:48.000 It's just that.

00:52:49.000 Things like nominations.

00:52:50.000 There are hundreds, thousands of posts that need to be filled.

00:52:53.000 A lot of them, I've been checking.

00:52:55.000 For example, a lot of our major ambassadorships.

00:52:57.000 Someone got nominated in March, April, even earlier.

00:53:01.000 No one's confirmed.

00:53:02.000 There are a lot of other positions that have nominees.

00:53:04.000 Judges, we might lose the Senate in November.

00:53:07.000 There should not be a single position in this administration that has a person nominated for it when November rolls around.

00:53:15.000 Every single one of them should be confirmed.

00:53:18.000 Period.

00:53:19.000 You are a Republican Senate.

00:53:21.000 You exist to confirm nominees by a Republican president.

00:53:26.000 There shouldn't be any waiting around.

00:53:28.000 We're two years into this.

00:53:30.000 What are you doing?

00:53:30.000 Yeah.

00:53:31.000 Thune has been, I mean, I give him very low marks.

00:53:34.000 Very, very low marks.

00:53:36.000 It's an impossible job.

00:53:37.000 You're negotiating with the biggest egomaniacs on earth.

00:53:40.000 Thome Tillis, who's just put his middle finger up all the time.

00:53:43.000 So he has more time to get back to running his dog parades that he does.

00:53:46.000 These people are impossible.

00:53:48.000 I'm sympathetic to Thune in that way, but he did take the job, and this is the job.

00:53:53.000 That is his job.

00:53:54.000 It is, it's the proverbial you had one job.

00:53:56.000 It's getting these guys to come to the table and to get stuff done the public wants.

00:54:00.000 Yeah.

00:54:01.000 And stay in town.

00:54:02.000 Work.

00:54:02.000 And stay in town.

00:54:03.000 Work.

00:54:04.000 Show us that you're dedicated to this.

00:54:06.000 The only success here, and this is what I think Rick Scott would have been.

00:54:09.000 Phenomenal at this.

00:54:11.000 Rick Scott would have gone in there and not tried to sit on the fence and everybody's sort of ambiguous.

00:54:15.000 Are you with us?

00:54:16.000 Are you against us?

00:54:17.000 No, Rick Scott would have been like, here's what we are doing.

00:54:19.000 And we would have had clarity, if not agreement.

00:54:22.000 We would have known exactly who the bad guys were.

00:54:24.000 He can talk to all sides.

00:54:25.000 That's one of his strengths, Scott's strength.

00:54:27.000 He can talk to the establishment.

00:54:28.000 He can talk to the Breitbart wing of the party.

00:54:30.000 Yep.

00:54:31.000 Alex Marlowe, the Alex Marlowe show on the hour before he joins us.

00:54:36.000 We get him right after he gets off.

00:54:37.000 So check that out.

00:54:38.000 Check out his podcast.

00:54:39.000 And of course, check out Breitbart News.

00:54:41.000 Thank you so much, Alex.

00:54:42.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:54:43.000 Thanks.

00:54:44.000 Love you guys.

00:54:44.000 All right.

00:54:45.000 Right back at you, man.

00:54:48.000 Good conversation is about respect.

00:54:51.000 It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard.

00:54:55.000 Charlie knew that.

00:54:56.000 Turning Point still knows that.

00:54:57.000 And TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

00:55:07.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

00:55:10.000 On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father.

00:55:16.000 Sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers, viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond.

00:55:21.000 TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.

00:55:25.000 You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.

00:55:29.000 TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real.

00:55:38.000 Well, we're turning back to the UK, as we sometimes call it.

00:55:42.000 Britain, it's a country we care a lot about.

00:55:45.000 They won their World Cup match.

00:55:46.000 They did.

00:55:47.000 They won their World Cup match.

00:55:49.000 They're very happy about that.

00:55:51.000 I guess four to two against Croatia, Croatia, Croatia.

00:55:53.000 But there's a lot of problems in Britain.

00:55:55.000 We care about Britain, it is our mother country, it's where we got so many of the rights we care about, the traditions we care about.

00:56:02.000 And they've been headed in a bad direction thanks to immigration and a whole bunch of other things.

00:56:07.000 And the biggest symbol of this, which we've highlighted repeatedly, is the grooming gang scandal.

00:56:13.000 That for years in towns and cities across Britain, girls, native British girls, were being groomed, sexually assaulted.

00:56:22.000 Raped, trafficked, working class white girls by heavily immigrant, mostly Pakistani gangs.

00:56:29.000 The police often knew about this, did nothing, and it's gone viral again and again.

00:56:34.000 And it's going viral right now because there is a new report on the grooming gangs, went tremendously viral on X.

00:56:43.000 And we want to get some perspective on it.

00:56:45.000 So we're joined by Adam Wren.

00:56:48.000 He's the head of Open Justice UK.

00:56:52.000 Adam, welcome to the show.

00:56:53.000 A pleasure to be here again.

00:56:54.000 All right.

00:56:55.000 Now, so you were commenting on this.

00:56:57.000 A lot of the details in this report have been getting a lot of attention.

00:57:00.000 They're describing gang rapes.

00:57:03.000 They're describing some absolutely wild trafficking.

00:57:06.000 But you're saying there's some worthwhile perspective on this because this is not an official government report, correct, Adam?

00:57:12.000 No, that's correct.

00:57:13.000 It was crowdfunded and it was carried out independently.

00:57:16.000 So the people that have been interviewed for the report are people that have come forward to be interviewed for it.

00:57:23.000 It doesn't have access to government data, which is the most unfortunate thing.

00:57:29.000 One of the main things that's come out of the report is this 250k number.

00:57:34.000 It stated with certainty that 250,000 girls have been abused.

00:57:40.000 And the unfortunate truth is we don't know how many girls have been abused because the police weren't investigating the crimes.

00:57:49.000 They were letting people get away with it.

00:57:51.000 And a lot of the girls died or were killed.

00:57:55.000 And it's been going on for so long.

00:57:57.000 I mean, the estimations range from the low 10,000 to there was one Labour MP that estimated it might be up to a million.

00:58:06.000 We just don't know.

00:58:08.000 And that's the key thing.

00:58:09.000 We don't know.

00:58:09.000 And you were flagging this not to downplay anything in the report, but precisely because describe for our audience, because I think it's so hard for Americans to grasp what happened in Britain over the span of that grooming scandal, where the working class aspect of this, the class dynamics played a role, where for years they were dismissive of this.

00:58:29.000 They did ignore this.

00:58:31.000 Give our viewers a primer on just what they were doing, what the police and lawmakers were doing during this period where this was unfolding.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, so I mean, the girls would go to the police and they would be ignored.

00:58:42.000 They would be sent home.

00:58:43.000 We have some examples of the police being called to a house that would have, you know, multiple men in it five, six, seven, ten men.

00:58:52.000 And the police would remove the girl from the house and then drive her back to the house later on.

00:58:57.000 There was one case with a survivor we work with called Fiona, where the police officer allegedly drove her back to the house and then told the men to have fun with her after checking her ID.

00:59:07.000 And apparently, he checked her ID and thought she was over 18.

00:59:11.000 She was, I think, 17 at the time.

00:59:13.000 So he said, Oh, it's perfectly legal.

00:59:14.000 You can do what you want with her.

00:59:17.000 And there's an allegation in this report, for example, that the police arrived and this girl was claiming abuse and they dismissed it because she was apparently 12 years old and they thought, Oh, she's just a prostitute.

00:59:30.000 And then.

00:59:31.000 12 years old.

00:59:31.000 Yeah, 12 years old.

00:59:32.000 Oh, yeah, it's just a child prostitute, you know, applying her trade.

00:59:36.000 And they were asking, Is this consensual?

00:59:38.000 And apparently she said she did not know what consensual meant, that she didn't know the vocabulary word.

00:59:44.000 There's so many accounts like this.

00:59:46.000 And.

00:59:46.000 Even if this is not an official government report, a lot of these allegations ring true, don't they?

00:59:54.000 Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

00:59:55.000 And it raises so many questions.

00:59:57.000 You know, the age of consent is 16 over here for people of a.

01:00:01.000 We have like Romeo and Juliet laws where, you know, so a 17 year old and a 16 year old aren't prosecuted for being in a relationship.

01:00:08.000 But there's in no world should a police officer find a girl of, you know, 15, 16 or 12 in a house with men 30 years, 40 years older than her.

01:00:19.000 And not immediately think this is at least statutory rape.

01:00:22.000 Like, even if they're under some, even prostitution is not legal, right?

01:00:28.000 So, the fact that they would dismiss it as just prostitution, that's something they're supposed to investigate and arrest.

01:00:33.000 It makes the entire thing baffling.

01:00:36.000 It genuinely, I think it's really hard for people, even people over here, to wrap their heads around.

01:00:42.000 So, why is it happening?

01:00:44.000 Why are police behaving in this way?

01:00:47.000 Are they being told to do this because they're.

01:00:51.000 For lack of a better term, lefties, are they doing this because they've hired people from these communities and they basically will side with these immigrant groups that are perpetrating these crimes?

01:01:03.000 How are you getting this dynamic with police?

01:01:05.000 Because of race action plans.

01:01:06.000 Yeah, I just don't understand.

01:01:08.000 As an American, we have our imperfect police at times, but this is so difficult for us to fathom.

01:01:14.000 So, how is it coming about in a country that's a lot like us in many ways?

01:01:19.000 I think there are multiple reasons.

01:01:20.000 There's, I think, our police committed to anti racism.

01:01:26.000 And so they're very afraid.

01:01:27.000 They have a lot of internal mechanisms for police officers that are accused of racism, something that individual officers are afraid of.

01:01:36.000 There are some cases of officers being convicted for being involved, and those were officers from those communities.

01:01:44.000 And I think there's also a classism element where these girls were working class.

01:01:51.000 They were from bad homes.

01:01:53.000 They didn't have a mother or a father.

01:01:56.000 They weren't present.

01:01:56.000 They were in care.

01:01:57.000 Many of them were.

01:01:59.000 Actually, looked after by the state.

01:02:01.000 So they were living in state run care homes.

01:02:04.000 The parents weren't present in the picture at all.

01:02:06.000 And there was just this perception of them being wild and worthless.

01:02:14.000 Wild and worthless.

01:02:16.000 That's astonishing.

01:02:18.000 Yeah, I have a.

01:02:19.000 So there was a report here.

01:02:20.000 I saw it from Cray Moo, and I wanted to fact check it with you.

01:02:23.000 He highlights it in red here.

01:02:25.000 It says While Sir Keir Starmer was the director of public prosecutions, it has been reported that 13,000.

01:02:32.000 Suspected rape gang members and pedophiles were let off with warning letters.

01:02:39.000 And it goes on to implicate Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, repeatedly insisted there were no grooming gangs.

01:02:44.000 This feels like an abject betrayal of the British people by the now Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.

01:02:53.000 Is this true?

01:02:54.000 Yeah, I imagine the stat is correct.

01:02:57.000 I think what it's referring to is we have something called a Khan notice, which is basically a child abduction notice.

01:03:04.000 And this might sound insane.

01:03:07.000 It sounded insane to me when I first learned of their existence, but we actually issue basically warning letters to some of these gang rapists saying that this child isn't allowed to be in their presence.

01:03:21.000 So I'm not sure where they found the stat that those were all issued to rape gang members, but the existence of those warning letters and the amount of them, yeah, it's probably about right.

01:03:36.000 It is insane.

01:03:38.000 So, this is a discussion we've had offline or online before.

01:03:42.000 You've told me part of what's driving this.

01:03:44.000 You say there's this ideology that's infected the police where instead of their number one priority being punish criminals, they feel they have this mandate, above all, prevent riots, manage communities.

01:03:58.000 It's almost like they're occupying a foreign country and their job is to just keep a lid on things.

01:04:05.000 Is that a fair characterization?

01:04:06.000 They're not investigating these things?

01:04:08.000 They're quelling the.

01:04:09.000 The passions of the native inhabitants.

01:04:11.000 Yeah.

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:13.000 There's also the police are just, for whatever reason, it might not even necessarily be a racial angle.

01:04:19.000 They're just very, very interested in pursuing things that they term as hate crimes and not really that interested in other things.

01:04:26.000 So I have a friend recently that told me he was in London.

01:04:29.000 He was walking down the road and some kids, some teenagers basically ran up to him and like practically pushed him off his bike.

01:04:36.000 So he called the police and the police, you know, didn't care at all.

01:04:40.000 Until he said that one of the kids shouted and called him.

01:04:43.000 I don't know if I can say it.

01:04:44.000 They called him the F word.

01:04:46.000 And then suddenly the police leapt into action and they were like, oh, did that upset you?

01:04:54.000 Are you a member of that community?

01:04:57.000 And they were suddenly interested in turning up and maybe arresting these kids because a perceived hate crime has taken place.

01:05:03.000 Well, there must be some sort of permission structure that exists at some level within the bureaucracy where they get a pat on the back, they get a little cookie.

01:05:11.000 For prosecuting a hate crime or arresting somebody guilty of using a bad word.

01:05:17.000 It's got to be structural.

01:05:18.000 This has to be baked in throughout the bureaucracy.

01:05:23.000 But they seem to have lost their damn minds, is what it feels like from the outside.

01:05:27.000 So, we wanted to have you on, Adam, because we mentioned it's incredibly viral in the US.

01:05:33.000 I've seen people pointing out that in Britain, you have no ban on a bill of attainder.

01:05:38.000 So, your parliament could theoretically punish a lot of people who greatly deserve punishment over this.

01:05:45.000 But that speaks to the bigger reality, which is there's a huge surge in public anger in Britain.

01:05:53.000 We also saw this with the Henry Novak case, where suddenly.

01:05:57.000 Major politicians, they're talking about two tier policing.

01:06:00.000 They're talking about who really is an Englishman, a British person.

01:06:06.000 Remigration.

01:06:07.000 They're talking about remigration.

01:06:09.000 Is this, do you think we're on the brink of, for lack of a better term, a political revolution in Britain that will undo the trajectory of your country?

01:06:20.000 I think we're definitely trending in the right direction.

01:06:23.000 There's a friend of mine, a reporter at GB News, Charlie Peters, who recently uncovered.

01:06:29.000 That the Essex police force, an internal document, had actually used the phrase, you know, unprotected groups when referring to basically native people, which, you know, got a lot of attention, you know, in comparison to all the protected groups.

01:06:46.000 There's definitely a lot more awareness of this stuff, and there's a lot more public calls for a lot of these laws to be outright scrapped.

01:06:55.000 And the public anger is becoming very palpable, put it that way, yeah.

01:06:59.000 I have a question for you.

01:07:00.000 You know, I've been having conversations with Brits quite a bit lately, and a common theme comes up, and that is that a lot of this you could trace it back to Tony Blair, which I was not aware of.

01:07:12.000 I wasn't really paying attention when Tony Blair was prime minister.

01:07:15.000 He basically rewrote the British Constitution to a dramatic degree.

01:07:21.000 Yeah, I mean, we didn't really prep you on that one, Adam, so feel free to defer or sidestep, but is that something that people are coming to grips with?

01:07:31.000 Is there a reckoning with some of the This, like, slow malaise of liberal excess that started with Tony Blair?

01:07:39.000 Yeah, I mean, there is.

01:07:40.000 You know, he gave us a lot of the rot, really, started here with things like the Equality Act, which, you know, while it sounds nice, who doesn't like equality?

01:07:49.000 It trenches, you know, what we call positive discrimination into the workplace, into the police forces.

01:07:57.000 And it's an enormous piece of documentation.

01:08:00.000 It's like 300 pages long.

01:08:02.000 And it's become, you know, it's doing all kinds of things.

01:08:05.000 You know, we have.

01:08:07.000 People being dismissed from the workforce.

01:08:12.000 It's just there's a lot of legislation that they put into place, I think, knowing perhaps that they were going to lose power.

01:08:19.000 But if they transform the institutions, even if they're not in government, they're still in control, as long as they're not repealed.

01:08:29.000 Nothing will ever change.

01:08:32.000 There's no revolution without repeal, let's say.

01:08:37.000 Now, are the two political parties on the right?

01:08:39.000 Now, you've got reform.

01:08:41.000 And you got Restore.

01:08:42.000 Are they actively talking about reforming this Equality Act or any of this legislation?

01:08:49.000 Is that part of the platform actively trying to address those issues?

01:08:53.000 They are, yeah.

01:08:53.000 The difficulty is that the Equality Act is so big and so old.

01:08:58.000 It's been added to and modified so many times that it's the genesis of equal pay for equal work, which came about a long, long time ago.

01:09:08.000 I think like 1917 or something like this.

01:09:12.000 It's how men and women are guaranteed equal pay.

01:09:16.000 So, it's not this thing that you can just repeal and get rid of.

01:09:19.000 There are obviously parts of it that we like and we think are good.

01:09:23.000 So, it's really quite a technical task of combing through it and trying to amend it so that it's not so poisonous.

01:09:32.000 It's worse than you guys probably even know.

01:09:36.000 We have a city over here called Birmingham, and it's actually bankrupt because our judges have ruled that council workers and bin men should be paid the same.

01:09:48.000 And the bin men ended up basically going on strike.

01:09:52.000 So, the city is now filled with.

01:09:54.000 As you would say.

01:09:56.000 Men would be trash collectors in our parlance here.

01:10:02.000 I want to throw this poll up.

01:10:04.000 I'm told this is the most recent polling between Labor, Reform, and Restore, and I guess Conservative, Green, Lib Dem, and others, right?

01:10:12.000 This is a by election that's a big.

01:10:14.000 They're actually trying to replace Keir Starmer with this guy who's running there.

01:10:19.000 Exactly.

01:10:19.000 So explain to the audience what we're looking at.

01:10:22.000 We have about a minute and a half left here, Adam.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, so we have a Labour MP running against Starmer.

01:10:28.000 We have Reform running against Starmer.

01:10:30.000 And we have Restore basically wanting to replace Reform.

01:10:34.000 So, Restore a little to the right of Reform.

01:10:37.000 And thereby, an MP that was kicked out of the party and is now disgruntled.

01:10:41.000 He doesn't think they're going far enough or that they're serious enough.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, all this demonstrates really is that everybody's unhappy with Starmer.

01:10:49.000 Even the Labour MP running is running on a platform of, you know, if you elect me, I'll be Prime Minister instead.

01:10:54.000 Wow.

01:10:55.000 Interesting.

01:10:56.000 When is the election happening?

01:10:58.000 It's today.

01:10:59.000 It's today.

01:10:59.000 And I'll be announced.

01:11:00.000 Oh, yes.

01:11:01.000 So we'll get those results by the end of this afternoon.

01:11:03.000 I thought this was next week.

01:11:04.000 That's incredible.

01:11:05.000 So speaking to it, I mean, for those who can't see the chart, it is reform is five below labor, but restore is seven.

01:11:11.000 So it seems clear we need to find a way for restore and reform to unite.

01:11:17.000 Is that possible?

01:11:18.000 Can that happen?

01:11:19.000 Or otherwise, are they going to be unable to save their country?

01:11:22.000 There's so much bad blood.

01:11:23.000 I don't think it is.

01:11:24.000 What's interesting is.

01:11:26.000 Some restore voters might actually be coming from labor.

01:11:29.000 There has been some, we'll know after this election, but it might not be the case that restore voters are just disgruntled reform voters.

01:11:37.000 They might be labor voters.

01:11:39.000 And they might be, if you remember Trump's most recent presidential election, it was so powerful because they motivated a lot of people that never voted before.

01:11:49.000 That might be the case here.

01:11:50.000 Fascinating.

01:11:51.000 Well, we're going to watch then and probably talk about it tomorrow.

01:11:55.000 Adam Wren.

01:11:56.000 Thank you so much for explaining all of that to us.

01:11:59.000 And we really do wish the best for the UK.

01:12:01.000 We want the UK to get its mojo back.

01:12:04.000 It's well past time.

01:12:05.000 Thank you.

01:12:09.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 18, 2026

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