The Charlie Kirk Show - JD Vance, Joe Rogan, Epstein, and Israel

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00:01:17.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It is July 16th, 2026.

00:01:23.000 Blake, we got a lot to get to.

00:01:25.000 This is one of the busier news days in the last couple weeks.

00:01:29.000 This Joe Rogan interview between JD Vance and Joe Rogan basically dominated the internet yesterday because they went into a lot of different topics.

00:01:38.000 Let me just quickly preview the show and then we're going to break that interview down as best we can.

00:01:43.000 We've got Senator Eric Schmidt on.

00:01:46.000 We're going to be talking Save America Act.

00:01:48.000 We're going to be talking the NDAA.

00:01:50.000 A lot of people are talking about Section 219 that sort of proposes cooperation.

00:01:57.000 Some are calling it a merger between Israel and the U.S. military, sort of tech development, intel sharing.

00:02:05.000 We're going to talk all about that.

00:02:07.000 Just as a preview, I'm very leery of that. 0.93

00:02:10.000 Anything with any country that.

00:02:12.000 Gives over any semblance of control or sovereignty.

00:02:16.000 But let's keep an open mind.

00:02:18.000 We're going to talk to Eric Schmidt about that.

00:02:19.000 Then we've got Sean Spicer.

00:02:21.000 We're going to go around the horn on midterms and everything that's shaping up the DSA takeover of the left.

00:02:27.000 And then we've got Alex Marlowe at the final half of the second hour.

00:02:32.000 So a busy, busy show.

00:02:33.000 Blake, why don't you just set the stage for why this JD Joe Rogan interview has taken the internet by storm?

00:02:42.000 Well, it circles back to what made the 2024 election so exceptional.

00:02:46.000 President Trump and JD Vance, his running mate, they ran an unconventional campaign.

00:02:52.000 It evaded a lot of the traditional media, but it went to new media, which, as we know, is incredibly popular.

00:02:58.000 Far more people watch and listen to Joe Rogan than watch and listen to CNN on a given night.

00:03:06.000 And he has a tremendous ability to, especially, reach younger Americans, young men, that swing demographic that Charlie worked so hard to reach, and that the campaign.

00:03:16.000 Had so much success reaching.

00:03:17.000 But as we know, what swung our way in 2024 has started to swing back the other way.

00:03:25.000 We have people who are upset about Epstein files.

00:03:27.000 We have people who are upset about Iran.

00:03:29.000 We have the general tendency of young people to quickly get disillusioned with things and swing back and forth.

00:03:36.000 And so there's been a lot of attention that Joe Rogan has said stuff critical of the administration.

00:03:40.000 He's said stuff critical of the right generally.

00:03:43.000 But we've also praised Vice President Vance.

00:03:46.000 He goes into the arena, he goes where it's It's tough.

00:03:49.000 He was on The View, and now he's back on Joe Rogan.

00:03:52.000 And he didn't really hold anything back.

00:03:55.000 He talked about every topic you can imagine.

00:03:57.000 And some of them are getting a lot of chatter, which is what we're going to hit just now.

00:04:03.000 Well, why don't we hit the main one first here, just to make sure we get it?

00:04:08.000 And this is they're talking about Israel's influence in the US, in our political system.

00:04:14.000 You see really, really dramatic reactions on both sides of this debate.

00:04:18.000 So let's play the clip and we'll talk about it.

00:04:20.000 SOT 26.

00:04:22.000 But I definitely think you have seen this very discreet, extremely well funded campaign.

00:04:29.000 To try to derail the negotiation and try to derail the deal.

00:04:33.000 And, you know, there was, again, there's this Time article that came out yesterday.

00:04:37.000 A friend sent it to me.

00:04:38.000 It's like worth reading because it lists a bunch of people who have quite literally been paid by a former Trump campaign person who was himself paid by certain elements within the Israeli government.

00:04:53.000 And those people are attacking me viciously for quite literally trying to accomplish the negotiation objective that the president set for the country. 0.96

00:05:01.000 Again, when I open up the pages of Time magazine and I see that there's a literal foreign influence campaign being funded to tank the very deal that I was pursuing, you know, my response to that is, well, go to hell.

00:05:14.000 I'm going to do what I have to do for the American people.

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:16.000 And I think let's pair that really quick with another clip that I think fills in some of the context here.

00:05:24.000 And it is about Iran, it is about Israel.

00:05:27.000 Sat 10. 0.82

00:05:28.000 If the Iranian people want to rise up and change their government, that's up to them.

00:05:32.000 But we're not going to send 150,000 ground troops in order to accomplish a change in a regime unless the people on the ground themselves want to accomplish that outcome.

00:05:44.000 Now, we're not going to send the troops in regardless, but to propose sending in the troops, you're basically saying that the U.S. military should do the job for the Iranian people.

00:05:57.000 We're not in that business anymore.

00:05:58.000 We're just not.

00:06:00.000 All right.

00:06:00.000 So let's just frame the debate.

00:06:02.000 A lot of people are seeing these clips and they're saying, JD is echoing the sentiments of Tucker Carlson.

00:06:11.000 He's Tucker's, you know, Tucker is JD's mentor or something like that.

00:06:15.000 I think that is far too simplistic.

00:06:19.000 I think what JD is saying is something that we have actually said on this show.

00:06:24.000 And I'm trying to grapple with why is this so controversial to some.

00:06:29.000 It follows logic that being in a perpetual forever war is not something President Trump ran on.

00:06:36.000 JD did not go and negotiate an MOU with Iran in a vacuum.

00:06:40.000 He did that at the president's bidding.

00:06:42.000 So to put this all on JD or to put this as some sort of betrayal to Israel, I think it's completely disingenuous.

00:06:49.000 And he's making the same point, Blake, that we made on this show as they were pursuing peace.

00:06:53.000 Peace is good, peace is popular.

00:06:55.000 We saw that in the polling.

00:06:57.000 And what is the alternative, right? 1.00

00:06:59.000 Right now, we are trading blows with Iran. 0.63

00:07:03.000 Now they're saying that they want to get back to the negotiating table.

00:07:06.000 They just released a U.S. Prisoner of theirs in good faith.

00:07:10.000 President Trump thanked them for that.

00:07:12.000 What is the alternative?

00:07:13.000 We're not going to send 100, 150,000 ground troops into Iran. 0.95

00:07:17.000 Now, yeah, you could say that Iran is not somebody that you can negotiate in good faith with.

00:07:22.000 I think everybody at that table, at the negotiating table, including JD, understands the dynamic there.

00:07:29.000 But I'm struggling to understand it, Blake, when we just heard recently that the Department of War and other intel agencies within our federal government are concerned about.

00:07:40.000 Israel spying on the US.

00:07:41.000 In fact, the report states that those efforts have been ramped up recently.

00:07:45.000 So I think when we talk about influence in the United States, people get upset that we focus on Israel.

00:07:54.000 We don't necessarily do that on this show, but it's a fair critique.

00:07:58.000 Qatar spends way more money.

00:07:59.000 Other countries have a lot more malign influence in this country, but Israel can probably get a better ROI out of that influence because they're talking to many sympathetic voters and politicians, right?

00:08:11.000 And so the influence is there.

00:08:12.000 JD just said, hey, it's very effective influence because it's speaking to a crowd that is sympathetic to Israel and its plight in the Middle East.

00:08:21.000 I certainly am one of those people.

00:08:23.000 But here's the deal.

00:08:25.000 I don't understand, at essence, where the core of the controversy is, other than he's not saying, let's go bomb the heck out of Iran and regime change.

00:08:34.000 Am I missing something?

00:08:35.000 That is the core of it.

00:08:36.000 That's that JD Vance has become the face of a fight that we know was going on before this administration even took office.

00:08:45.000 It is, frankly, the breakdown of the popularity of Israel with the U.S. public.

00:08:52.000 And there's a struggle over that.

00:08:53.000 And JD Vance has become the focal point of it.

00:08:56.000 And I'm sure we'll.

00:08:57.000 Probably be able to discuss it more in the future here because that struggle is not going away.

00:09:03.000 All right.

00:09:03.000 So, one of my frustrations with this, Blake, is that it feels like the interests on either side of this debate are so deeply invested that even what appeared to me to be a common sense approach, right down the middle, like, hey, we like Israel, we support Israel, but we also understand that they're attempting to influence this debate.

00:09:26.000 They don't want to see the MOU get done.

00:09:29.000 So, you know, that's a problem.

00:09:32.000 And he's basically saying, hey, other countries are trying to influence us too.

00:09:35.000 That's what they're going to do.

00:09:36.000 We understand it.

00:09:37.000 But American politicians need to be aware of it.

00:09:39.000 And we need to keep America's interests first and foremost here.

00:09:45.000 It's absolutely a thankless task.

00:09:47.000 And we saw this with Charlie because Charlie tried to chart out a similar path.

00:09:50.000 And we saw what happened. 0.96

00:09:51.000 We had people say he's a Zio Shill, a fake Christian on one end.

00:09:55.000 We saw people say he was an anti Semite on the other end.

00:09:58.000 Both of those attacks were completely false and they were pretty hurtful.

00:10:02.000 And it's something that's going to happen because it is simply the case there are people in America who believe that America and Israel's interests are identical.

00:10:12.000 And sometimes that can translate to if the Israeli government wants a thing, you're basically opposing America if you oppose that.

00:10:20.000 And on the flip side, you have people who basically believe Israel is an enemy nation to the United States.

00:10:25.000 And so we can never align our interests.

00:10:28.000 And you're a traitor if you're not trying to, frankly, actively give weapons to Palestinians and so forth. 0.59

00:10:34.000 And It's very difficult for either of those strands to handle even a moderate path.

00:10:42.000 They see even the moderate path as actually hopelessly extreme and dangerous.

00:10:46.000 And I think there's a lot of people who actually go down the vice president's middle path, but he's become the symbol of it.

00:10:53.000 And so that's exposed him to a lot of attacks.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, he is that sort of center point in the tug of war, which I do believe, to your point, is where a lot of Americans are. 0.56

00:11:01.000 We like Israel.

00:11:02.000 We support them.

00:11:03.000 We want them to be able to defend themselves against attacks.

00:11:07.000 You know, if they are getting attacked, we have.

00:11:10.000 You know, you and I both have a ton of Jewish friends.

00:11:12.000 Dennis Prager was one of Charlie's mentors and dearest friends, and continues to be a dear friend of mine.

00:11:19.000 At the same time, we can all acknowledge that at various points, at any type of, you know, whether it be foreign policy or negotiations with Iran, that we are going to have differences of prioritization.

00:11:31.000 And that is natural between two sovereign entities.

00:11:35.000 So, to the point that with this MOU, which was the same point I have been making since the MOU came onto the scene, was what is the alternative?

00:11:44.000 The alternative is, I guess we do this forever war stuff.

00:11:47.000 We find ourselves in a detente of some sort where now President Trump says we're going to be controlling the Strait of Hormuz indefinitely and we're going to be charging a toll essentially for those efforts, for the expense that is incurred by the United States to do that.

00:12:04.000 Listen, we have warned about the fact that this war is easy to start, hard to end.

00:12:10.000 JD is trying to forge an end to that and he's being deployed by the President of the United States to do that.

00:12:17.000 But what's interesting is that some people hear this and they hear anti Israel sentiment.

00:12:22.000 Me as a Christian American patriot, I didn't hear any anti Semitism in there.

00:12:27.000 I didn't hear any anti Israel sentiment in there.

00:12:29.000 I just heard common sense hey, we've got to pursue peace.

00:12:32.000 We achieved our core objectives and we've got to move forward.

00:12:35.000 And again, what is the alternative?

00:12:38.000 We're not going to be sending 100, 150,000 ground troops into Iran.

00:12:40.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:12:41.000 There's no will on our side to do it politically or militarily.

00:12:45.000 And that's ultimately what a lot of this is. 0.58

00:12:47.000 I think a lot of people have not given up the ghosts of full regime change war with Iran. 0.75

00:12:53.000 They came.

00:12:54.000 They felt they came tantalizingly close last February.

00:12:57.000 I mean, I saw that play out.

00:12:59.000 I saw that play out on X in online chats I was in where people who were enthusiastic.

00:13:05.000 Once the bombs started falling, they started saying, you know, a few thousand troops on Karg Island could end this war.

00:13:10.000 A few thousand troops helicoptered into Tehran could end this war.

00:13:14.000 And you know that if that came to pass and the war didn't end, it would be, well, 50,000 troops would end it.

00:13:19.000 100,000 troops would end it.

00:13:20.000 Some people have just not given up on this.

00:13:23.000 And again, they're looking around for.

00:13:27.000 Someone to blame.

00:13:28.000 The vice president has certainly become the face of the people fighting for a negotiated end to the war, a more immediate end to the war.

00:13:39.000 And so that's generated a lot of attacks.

00:13:41.000 And I don't think a lot of these people necessarily have ill will for America overall.

00:13:44.000 I don't think all of them are just dedicated Israeli agents or whatever.

00:13:48.000 But I think that's what's driving this. 0.55

00:13:51.000 And yeah, but let's just be clear.

00:13:53.000 What's really driving this is a proxy for 2028.

00:13:56.000 Also, I want the audience to fully internalize that.

00:13:59.000 Yeah, because what this is.

00:14:01.000 Is there an internal battle between factions that want Marco to run and they see him as more sort of, I would say, fitting with the historical norm of the relationship with Israel?

00:14:14.000 And JD Vance is probably a little bit more of a pragmatist when it comes to this that we have American interests that sometimes diverge.

00:14:21.000 We like them.

00:14:22.000 We want to support them.

00:14:23.000 But where those interests diverge, we're going to pursue American interests.

00:14:26.000 And I would say Marco would probably articulate his position similarly.

00:14:30.000 But I think there is essentially a Larger bond of trust between that faction and Marco.

00:14:36.000 And so everything is getting pushed as this proxy to 2028.

00:14:41.000 And again, I'm sitting here last night not fully understanding where the controversy is coming from until you realize that this is a proxy about 2028.

00:14:51.000 This is sort of saying, hey, he's not sounding the right notes for a certain faction and we're going to have a larger reaction than probably is justified.

00:14:59.000 I will say there was another piece.

00:15:01.000 They talked about Epstein.

00:15:03.000 JD Vance admitted that the rollout was, from a communication standpoint, not ideal.

00:15:08.000 It was a disaster, I think he said.

00:15:10.000 Owned up to that and said that his position on this is that he certainly seems to have ties to intelligence communities, including Israeli, including American, but he remains unsure.

00:15:24.000 So all of that was packed in.

00:15:25.000 They also talked about California.

00:15:27.000 They talked about the Save America Act.

00:15:29.000 They talked about how full of it that Gavin Newsom is.

00:15:33.000 So, it is a phenomenal, phenomenal watch.

00:15:36.000 I am not all the way through it.

00:15:37.000 I'm about two thirds of the way through it.

00:15:39.000 I recommend everybody go check it out for yourself.

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00:16:49.000 Why not just have voter ID?

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:51.000 You actually saw that.

00:16:52.000 Well, that's insane.

00:16:52.000 Not only did they not have voter ID, you can't show your ID.

00:16:55.000 You're not allowed to show your ID.

00:16:57.000 You can, in fact, be prosecuted if you try to force somebody to show their ID.

00:17:00.000 Which is, that seems like you want people to cheat.

00:17:04.000 Exactly.

00:17:05.000 And is this from the same people that were saying you have to have an ID that shows you've been vaccinated just four years ago to go to a restaurant?

00:17:12.000 To go to a restaurant.

00:17:14.000 Great points.

00:17:15.000 Senator Eric Schmidt joins us from Missouri.

00:17:18.000 He is one of the good guys.

00:17:19.000 Senator, welcome to the show.

00:17:20.000 There's been a lot of noise about this Save America Act right now.

00:17:25.000 It seems like it's heating up again.

00:17:27.000 Mike Lee's out front.

00:17:28.000 Rick Scott's out front.

00:17:29.000 You're out front.

00:17:30.000 Where are we at currently?

00:17:33.000 And I'm seeing hints that this reconciliation bill is like it's going to be voluntary.

00:17:37.000 States have to opt in.

00:17:39.000 Please fill us in.

00:17:40.000 Look, I think that we have a limited amount of time to do it.

00:17:44.000 That's why I think there's more of a sense of urgency, right?

00:17:46.000 Because we want to get this done in time for it to matter in 2026.

00:17:51.000 I would say there's two kind of tracks.

00:17:53.000 There's.

00:17:54.000 There's what people have come to know as the Save America Act, like the statute that includes, and I'm the sponsor of what President Trump wants the kind of five pillars, which is voter ID, you have to be an American citizen to vote in American elections, and then the cutting back on this widespread election or mail in balloting scams that we've seen in different states.

00:18:17.000 Then it's no men and women's sports and no transgender mutilation of our kids.

00:18:23.000 That's the thing.

00:18:24.000 You know, there's original kind of the first two pieces of that.

00:18:27.000 Having said that, that's the piece that if we're going to do it, we have to do the talking filibuster in my mind.

00:18:32.000 We have to spend the time on the floor to try to wear down the Democrats or at least kind of just see where everybody's at because they're going to do a quorum call.

00:18:40.000 We got to make sure we have 51 people out there all the time.

00:18:42.000 That is our best shot on that.

00:18:43.000 What's now being talked about, what the House is considering, is because through reconciliation, although it only requires a simple majority, you can only deal with like budget matters.

00:18:52.000 You can't like have a policy change or something like that.

00:18:55.000 So, what they're talking about, I think, is to have Dollars in there to support, like, states doing voter ID, making sure that you can check to make sure these are American citizens, that kind of thing.

00:19:08.000 So, look, as far as I'm concerned, the more, like, kind of hands rowing in the same direction is good.

00:19:14.000 I think we got to do this.

00:19:16.000 I don't understand, quite frankly, people who don't want to do it or aren't that committed to it.

00:19:20.000 It's, if you don't have, as the president said, if you don't have fair elections, you don't have a country.

00:19:24.000 And that's why it's important.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, but, Senator, I'm seeing that it could be voluntary.

00:19:29.000 So the states would have to opt into these grants.

00:19:32.000 Trying to carve out $10 billion of grants that could go to the state to support ensuring that if you get a real ID, that would also confirm you're a citizen.

00:19:42.000 Is that essentially how I'm reading it?

00:19:44.000 And then it would be volunteer.

00:19:45.000 Aren't all the blue states just going to tell us to go pound sand?

00:19:49.000 Probably.

00:19:49.000 But this is why I haven't seen that language yet.

00:19:52.000 But maybe what you could do is something like they do with highway funding, right?

00:19:56.000 Which is if you don't have a.08 DWI law in your state, you don't get the highway funding.

00:20:02.000 So that.

00:20:03.000 This is admittedly, and I think Mike Lee has even said this is not the ideal way to do it.

00:20:08.000 But it is something.

00:20:10.000 But clearly, I think we should still try to do the whole shoot and match, right?

00:20:16.000 Which is the Save America Act.

00:20:19.000 And the budgetary stuff is something, but it's certainly not what I think people have come to understand Save America to be.

00:20:25.000 Yeah.

00:20:26.000 I mean, this sounds kind of like a disappointment, going to be honest.

00:20:30.000 It should be mandatory.

00:20:32.000 The federal government controls federal elections, the states can control their local elections, I suppose. 0.58

00:20:38.000 It just beggars belief that we can't get this mandated across the states and that it would be an opt in for the worst actors, which are the blue states that don't want to do this anyways because they know it's going to hurt their electoral chances.

00:20:49.000 Well, anyway, all right.

00:20:51.000 So, what's the timeline?

00:20:52.000 Yeah, Senator Sotkin said the same thing.

00:20:54.000 And I would also point out that one of the reasons, you know, I was Attorney General of Missouri and we fought back against, we beat back Mark Elias in Missouri when during COVID they were trying to change our election laws.

00:21:03.000 When President Trump, I don't know exactly what he's going to say tonight, but I do think, um, To my Republican colleagues and others, there are mail in balloting schemes.

00:21:12.000 When you have a system in your state that just sends these ballots to everybody in the state, whether they've requested them or not, and you have these drop boxes, it's really hard to detect the kind of fraud that we know will happen in that kind of scenario.

00:21:23.000 So I've been a big proponent of cracking down on this mail in balloting fraud.

00:21:26.000 And whatever we do, I think that should be a part of it.

00:21:28.000 But anyway.

00:21:30.000 Well, absolutely.

00:21:30.000 And we have a great example of this from California.

00:21:33.000 I mean, you know, I don't have to play the clip, it's 40 seconds long, but, you know, Joe Rogan.

00:21:40.000 He's a calls, balls, and strikes kind of guy, right?

00:21:42.000 He said, I'm not skeptical.

00:21:44.000 I'm accusing them.

00:21:46.000 I think they stole the election.

00:21:47.000 He's talking about the Spencer Pratt election, and I agree with him.

00:21:50.000 Let's quickly transition here, Senator Schmidt.

00:21:54.000 We've got this NDAA, Section 219.

00:21:58.000 People are saying that it's merging the U.S. and Israeli governments together.

00:22:03.000 I guess there's two aspects of it there is the intel sharing, and then there's the tech development, the military tech development portion of it.

00:22:11.000 On its face, this seems.

00:22:13.000 Not like a bad idea, and it's not specific to Israel.

00:22:16.000 It's specific to the fact that it feels like a bad idea in general.

00:22:20.000 You want your military to be completely, you want the country to be sovereign, you want the military to be controlled by the sovereign, not hamstrung by some foreign country.

00:22:29.000 What's your position on this, and does it have a realistic chance of actually proceeding and passing?

00:22:34.000 So I'm going to be clear.

00:22:36.000 This is a House provision right now because they're actually on the NDAA.

00:22:39.000 This is a House provision.

00:22:41.000 And what that section, I guess, purports to do.

00:22:44.000 Is it creates a separate office, like almost an executive office outside the president and the legislature to manage this and to coordinate?

00:22:52.000 I mean, I think even requiring coordination of intelligence.

00:22:55.000 And so, you know, from my perspective, that is not in the Senate, that is in the House.

00:22:59.000 But you know me, one of the reasons why Charlie and I hit it off so well from the very beginning is I'm a very America first foreign policy guy with any country.

00:23:11.000 If our foreign policy interests align, great.

00:23:13.000 If they don't, I'm an American.

00:23:15.000 I represent Missouri in the United States Senate.

00:23:18.000 I want to make sure our foreign policy works for the American people.

00:23:23.000 So that's kind of where I'm at on it.

00:23:24.000 We'll see.

00:23:25.000 I don't know what exactly they're going to do, but I don't want to cede any sovereignty to another country.

00:23:29.000 I'll promise you that.

00:23:31.000 And that's the thing.

00:23:31.000 I mean, sorry, Senator, we have similar arrangements with the UK and Australia, but we see as our interests with the UK are diverging and they're losing their minds about free speech and Islam and immigration.

00:23:46.000 I mean, how much longer can we actually trust that they're a country that is, you know, sharing our interests at a very fundamental level?

00:23:54.000 I mean, our values are diverging as we speak. 0.89

00:23:58.000 So why get in bed so deeply with any foreign power when you can't control said foreign power's political reality, right? 0.91

00:24:05.000 I just think. 0.72

00:24:06.000 Don't make any sense to me.

00:24:07.000 I think the key is to make sure we have flexibility and not to lock in something that we're required to do because circumstances can change.

00:24:13.000 Somebody's asked me why I was so supportive of the president's desire to acquire Greenland.

00:24:20.000 And he wasn't talking about invading Greenland, but why is that important?

00:24:23.000 Well, first of all, it's in our core national interest.

00:24:26.000 It's in the Arctic Circle.

00:24:27.000 Secondly, critical minerals that are there, you can mine them and refine them on that island.

00:24:32.000 And then thirdly, I don't know what Denmark's government looks like in 50 years. 0.90

00:24:36.000 It could be run by A bunch of radical, you know, mullahs or something. 0.90

00:24:40.000 I don't really know. 0.95

00:24:41.000 So I want to make sure we control what we control.

00:24:44.000 I've been very clear that our European allies specifically need to start providing for their own defense in a much more meaningful way.

00:24:51.000 We have been subsidizing this.

00:24:54.000 They have been subsidizing by us doing that, subsidizing their social welfare programs and not really committed to their own defense.

00:25:00.000 And America can't be everywhere all at once all the time.

00:25:03.000 We got to focus on the homeland.

00:25:05.000 We got to focus on the Western Hemisphere.

00:25:07.000 And we got to focus on our. 0.96

00:25:09.000 Chief rival for the next hundred years, which is China.

00:25:13.000 And so this is a hard lesson for the Europeans to learn.

00:25:16.000 President Trump talks about it.

00:25:17.000 Vice President Vance talks about it.

00:25:19.000 Marco Rubio talks about it.

00:25:20.000 This pivot, Europe for a long time has believed that they're the center of the universe in this kind of post World War II world.

00:25:25.000 Well, guess what?

00:25:27.000 After the Cold War, we never really adjusted.

00:25:29.000 We should have.

00:25:29.000 This was a mistake by Republicans and Democrats, quite frankly, in that we never renegotiated these trade deals that were made after World War II.

00:25:36.000 We never asked the Europeans to step up in a much more meaningful way.

00:25:40.000 And it is now finally we have an administration that is focused on kind of the Western hemisphere and, like I said, Communist China.

00:25:47.000 That is where our core national interests are, and those are the things I'm advocating for. 0.53

00:25:51.000 I think you speak that well that we need to.

00:25:54.000 America's been so strong, it got so easy for us to just see our interests as the world's interests, but we do need this pullback focus, core American interests first before we save the entire world.

00:26:06.000 And I think that's well said.

00:26:07.000 100%.

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00:27:10.000 So since we have lost Senator Schmidt, I want to keep going with these Rogan clips.

00:27:14.000 These are just too good.

00:27:16.000 Blake, we're going to, we're doing it.

00:27:18.000 We're going into your favorite topic.

00:27:20.000 And that's Epstein, SOT9.

00:27:22.000 He clearly had connections to the upper, the highest levels of American intelligence.

00:27:28.000 He clearly had connections to the highest levels of Israeli intelligence.

00:27:32.000 All right, so that's getting a lot of waves, Blake, that JD Vance is saying definitively that he clearly had ties.

00:27:40.000 So I'm sure you've got opinions, but hold them to your.

00:27:43.000 One more second.

00:27:44.000 We'll play the longer clip. 0.99

00:27:45.000 Stop four.

00:27:46.000 The problem is, if you go back to the original investigation, it was designed in a way that was way too narrow.

00:27:52.000 If there was a broader conspiracy, and you know, my view is that there probably was, the evidence that existed in 2007.

00:28:01.000 That was the opportunity to get.

00:28:02.000 So, you and I could literally do two episodes about this.

00:28:04.000 I've gone on down to every rabbit hole.

00:28:06.000 But it's clear that he was trying to get in contact with people that he felt were influential.

00:28:12.000 He was trying to either influence people or compromise people.

00:28:17.000 Correct.

00:28:18.000 So, it's not, there's some sort of an operation that was going on.

00:28:22.000 There is a story there.

00:28:24.000 And, you know, I will go to my deathbed believing there's a story there, but I can't prove it.

00:28:30.000 And I promise you, there's not some document that at least I'm hiding.

00:28:34.000 That allows us to prove exactly what was going on and how.

00:28:38.000 All right, Blake, I know you've been holding back.

00:28:40.000 Go for it.

00:28:41.000 We've been around the block on this a few times, and I think you and I both know that's the kind of answer that is certainly never going to satisfy a lot of people where he says, Yeah, you know, I think there's something probably there, but, you know, there's no document for it, there's nothing to prove it.

00:28:56.000 And you know how I feel about this at this point.

00:29:01.000 My suspicion is the reason there's probably no document proving it is there's probably.

00:29:05.000 Probably surprisingly little there.

00:29:07.000 You can say he had connections to intelligence, Israeli and US, but what does the connection amount to?

00:29:13.000 This is a guy that we know made a huge number of friends.

00:29:17.000 He was a supreme social butterfly. 0.98

00:29:20.000 He was very good at socially manipulating people, and he was a very consummate liar. 0.96

00:29:24.000 He was good at lying to people.

00:29:26.000 And does that mean he probably had met and corresponded with and knew a lot of people?

00:29:31.000 Yeah.

00:29:32.000 Does it mean what people mean when they say intelligence ties?

00:29:35.000 That he was a fixer, that he was a trafficker, that he was getting blackmail on people?

00:29:40.000 All I would say is, I think we should have more evidence before we actually say those things.

00:29:45.000 And I can't wonder, I can't help but wonder did the vice president hurt himself a little bit by even going as far as he did?

00:29:52.000 Because I don't know if there is evidence that, I don't know if there is strong reason to believe that there's more there.

00:29:57.000 Well, I will tell you, you know, to your point, the evidence point is valid.

00:30:02.000 I certainly believe that.

00:30:04.000 I tend to be of the vice president's persuasion here that I do believe there were ties, I do believe that there were connections.

00:30:10.000 To what extent those were formalized, they probably weren't formalized, right?

00:30:13.000 And so there's probably not going to be a trail that's visible or available to even the best investigators, the most dispassionate investigators to track down.

00:30:22.000 But we certainly know that his rise was very shady.

00:30:25.000 I think he was a con artist.

00:30:26.000 I think he was good at building relationships with powerful people.

00:30:30.000 And I'm not convinced that there was some black book with every list of his clients and the compromise that he held over their heads.

00:30:38.000 I think he was a good time guy that liked to party and. 0.97

00:30:42.000 Was a total skis ball and he was a creep and a weirdo. 0.98

00:30:47.000 And I think he had sexual fetishes that obviously led him down a very, very criminal and destructive path. 0.99

00:30:55.000 And he did take some other people with him.

00:30:56.000 Now, to the extent that other people were involved in that or were even aware, I think it varies.

00:31:03.000 And I think we should get accountability on that.

00:31:06.000 So I have no problem with what he said.

00:31:08.000 My instincts lead me to believe the same thing that he does.

00:31:11.000 But to your point, Unless there's evidence, there's nothing that can be done.

00:31:16.000 Now, there is a lot of evidence that he was in communication with a lot of people, that he was doing business at a very high level.

00:31:24.000 But if you've ever been around these circles, you know that the relationships are kind of where the rubber meets the road.

00:31:31.000 That is how the business gets done.

00:31:33.000 So, to his point, I don't know that we'll ever be able to prove it, but speculation will continue to run rampant.

00:31:39.000 And yeah, I mean, I think he reflects the thinking of a lot of people out there.

00:31:46.000 You know, some people are frustrated that he went there.

00:31:49.000 I have no problem with it.

00:31:51.000 And, you know, it is what it is.

00:31:53.000 All right.

00:31:54.000 So, real quick, go ahead, Blake.

00:31:55.000 The best thing he did, and it's something.

00:31:58.000 I think we needed a little earlier, was just the frank acknowledgement that the files could have been handled better by the administration.

00:32:05.000 I think he just said, very obviously, we messed this up.

00:32:10.000 And I just think back, that's what Charlie was trying to get across a year ago.

00:32:14.000 And he took heat for it.

00:32:15.000 Charlie was a brave guy.

00:32:16.000 He just said, this is a tough thing.

00:32:19.000 They kind of tried to come out on a Sunday night and say, there's not really that much here.

00:32:23.000 Let's move on to another thing.

00:32:25.000 And I just think they didn't quite appreciate how attached people were to this issue.

00:32:29.000 And that's 100%.

00:32:31.000 Coming back to it and saying, we get it.

00:32:33.000 People really wanted more here and we messed that up, I think is a welcome type of transparency.

00:32:38.000 That's the Trump administration at its best.

00:32:40.000 So here's my take to sum up the JD Vance interview with Joe Rogan lots of controversy over the Israel topics, over Iran, over Epstein.

00:32:51.000 I am a believer that he is reflecting the majority opinion in essentially every single one of these topics.

00:32:59.000 And there are going to be.

00:33:00.000 Niche constituency that want him to go harder, that want him to go softer, that want him to.

00:33:05.000 I'm telling you, he's reflective of the larger population.

00:33:09.000 I believe JD Vance has remained very, very in touch with the base.

00:33:14.000 He's remained very, very in touch with the sentiment of the American public.

00:33:18.000 And there's going to be people on either ends of those debates that are going to get really up in arms.

00:33:22.000 You saw this with the MOU.

00:33:24.000 You saw when he was out there pursuing the MOU, his favorables shot through the roof.

00:33:29.000 President Trump's favorables shot through the roof.

00:33:32.000 Let the process play out.

00:33:33.000 Let's see where this lands.

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00:35:54.000 These people are so stupid, I don't know what to say about it. 1.00

00:35:57.000 So now we have this idea that these insurgent Democrats, and what is their solution? 1.00

00:36:08.000 Is their solution to beat Republicans, to run against Republicans?

00:36:13.000 No.

00:36:14.000 Their solution is to be Democrats.

00:36:18.000 Like, they're part of the problem. 1.00

00:36:19.000 No, you are part of the problem because you're an idiot. 1.00

00:36:23.000 That's the wonderful James Carville with the great bedside manner, as only he can have. 1.00

00:36:29.000 Lamenting the rise of DSA, which we all should.

00:36:32.000 Here to help us unpack that and much more is Sean Spicer, host of The Sean Spicer Show and former White House press secretary. 0.96

00:36:38.000 Sean, I thought it would be appropriate to have you on today because in just moments, Caroline Levitt is going to be back behind the White House.

00:36:47.000 Podium and taking questions.

00:36:49.000 So, you know, it's a good day to have you on because you know what this is like more than just about anybody else.

00:36:55.000 So, welcome back, my friend.

00:36:57.000 Good to see you guys.

00:36:58.000 Thanks for having me.

00:36:59.000 So, what do you make of this rise of DSA?

00:37:01.000 I mean, this is a huge new development.

00:37:04.000 You've seen it coming for a long time, Sean.

00:37:06.000 You've been warning about this for a long time.

00:37:09.000 They are ascendant, there is no doubt about it. 0.97

00:37:11.000 I mean, if you just look at this Israel aid vote that just happened yesterday, I guess they did this two years ago, 18 months ago, and they got about 30, 35 votes to end it.

00:37:23.000 Now they're at 104, 105.

00:37:26.000 It is ascendant.

00:37:28.000 What are you looking at when you're assessing the problem that DSA poses for the country and for Democrats specifically?

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 And first, Andrew, I'd say that our side needs to understand something that this is not a joke.

00:37:39.000 Don't, I mean, I think it's scary and it's kind of funny that people are this stupid that they're buying into it, but don't take it lightly. 0.95

00:37:46.000 And we saw now the spread of it go from New York out to Colorado and throughout the country. 0.98

00:37:50.000 And my point is, I think there's some things that sometimes in the movement you see and you go, that's crazy and that's insane.

00:37:56.000 That's true.

00:37:57.000 But I also think that we can't ignore it, that more and more people are being told they can have free this, free that.

00:38:03.000 There are no consequences to their policies.

00:38:06.000 I was in New York last week for the International Naval Review.

00:38:10.000 And I said to somebody at one point, I said, look at the buses, the city buses that were going by.

00:38:16.000 And they kind of looked up and they said, okay, what am I looking at?

00:38:17.000 And I said, what does the sign say?

00:38:19.000 You know, on the front where it tells you what the route is.

00:38:22.000 So it says the route, right?

00:38:23.000 N4, whatever the code is.

00:38:25.000 And the next thing that flashes is fair required.

00:38:30.000 Now, you would think that's kind of silly, right?

00:38:33.000 Why would it have to say fair required?

00:38:34.000 Well, the reason it says it is because the people in New York, after the election of Zora Mandami, believed that they were going to get free buses.

00:38:41.000 And then Zora Mandami got elected, and the harsh reality of budgets set in.

00:38:45.000 And they realized that's insane.

00:38:47.000 You can't just give everything away for free like the guy.

00:38:50.000 But the lesson here is understand that these guys are running around talking about free this, free that.

00:38:55.000 And one of the things that I did on my show, Was don't take my word for it.

00:38:58.000 Don't take Turning Point USA's word for it.

00:39:01.000 Don't take Donald Trump's word for it.

00:39:03.000 Go to the DSA website.

00:39:05.000 Look at what they say they're for, what they want to do.

00:39:09.000 They want to abolish this United States Senate.

00:39:12.000 Like, this is crazy town.

00:39:14.000 We have that clip, Sean.

00:39:15.000 No, this is true.

00:39:16.000 This is true.

00:39:17.000 Let's play this clip just to underscore your point.

00:39:19.000 How crazy.

00:39:20.000 They want to literally get rid of everything that has made America America.

00:39:24.000 They want to get rid of the founder's vision.

00:39:25.000 And that's not overstating the matter.

00:39:27.000 Sot 20.

00:39:28.000 We just don't see the point of the Senate.

00:39:30.000 Historically, it was meant to serve very wealthy people who owned a lot of land.

00:39:35.000 And that's still a system that we have today.

00:39:38.000 And it's something we would change, we would expand.

00:39:43.000 What the House of Representatives does and make it more actually representative of people who live in this country.

00:39:50.000 So, would you like to abolish the Senate?

00:39:53.000 That's part of our platform.

00:39:54.000 And we don't think that's extreme.

00:39:56.000 We think it's a change that would help make this country more democratic.

00:40:01.000 What stands out about that to me is extreme.

00:40:05.000 It would completely upend two and a half centuries of America's governance project, a very successful constitution we've had.

00:40:13.000 But at the same time, Keep in mind, an ordinary American is just going to hear, oh, they abolished the Senate, make it more democratic.

00:40:19.000 There's no immediate consequence to that.

00:40:22.000 And so I think when he says something like that, it's a challenge to those of us to basically say the reason you can't have that happen is because it will upend good things our government is doing for you.

00:40:33.000 And if our government is failing, if our government is not helping young people build wealth, get homes, accomplish the things they want in life, people will just hear, abolish the Senate.

00:40:43.000 Oh, that sounds cool.

00:40:43.000 Shake everything out.

00:40:44.000 Blow it all up. 0.53

00:40:46.000 They'll go for it.

00:40:47.000 And New York shows that can happen.

00:40:49.000 That's why I use the free bus analogy, though, is that offering somebody something for free and it's easy.

00:40:55.000 You know, I'm always, I joke, my wife thinks it's funny.

00:40:58.000 I'm the sucker every time you walk in, you know, go on vacation, then they do a timeshare setup.

00:41:02.000 I'm like, oh my God, look, a free bottle of wine if I listen to a one hour presentation. 0.96

00:41:06.000 She's like, is this, you can afford the bottle of wine.

00:41:09.000 Like, why are you doing this?

00:41:10.000 But there's something alluring about free stuff and easy stuff.

00:41:13.000 And so you're absolutely right.

00:41:14.000 When you talk about eliminating the Senate because it's more democratic, you go, wow, that's, I like more democratic.

00:41:20.000 I like that.

00:41:21.000 Cool, like we should do it until you realize that part of the reason the founders gave us the Senate was a check on the House so that you know, God forbid, Hakeem Jeffries and the nutjobs take it over, that they don't just have free reign to do crazy stuff.

00:41:34.000 There's a reason for some of these things, and when you offer someone a simple, or easy, or free solution, usually it's for a reason.

00:41:41.000 We see this in social media all the time.

00:41:43.000 People say, Oh, it's great, it's free.

00:41:44.000 Well, there's a reason that it's free, it's because they're gathering all your data, and what's that trade off look like?

00:41:49.000 But there's constantly trade offs that we have to make, and what the DSA is offering people.

00:41:53.000 Is a lot of bumper sticker stuff like free this, free that, get rid of this, make this easier.

00:41:59.000 It is very attractive.

00:42:00.000 I get it.

00:42:00.000 And that's why what I'm trying to say to folks is do not think this is nuts.

00:42:05.000 There's an audience that's very appealing to them that they're building, and they're not doing it just in some little vacuum.

00:42:11.000 In a lot of urban areas, people are finding a lot of this freeze the rent stuff very attractive.

00:42:18.000 And I just think that we've got to be careful that we start informing, particularly what you guys do is so important where you've got a much younger audience than a lot of us who are out there.

00:42:28.000 And that people don't get bought into at a young age this notion of everything is easy, everything is free, there's no consequences for anything.

00:42:36.000 We can just get rid of all the bad things that we hear we don't like.

00:42:39.000 So I think it's critical that we are smart and informative and make sure that we explain a lot of these things a lot more and not just take them for granted.

00:42:48.000 There's a lot that I think government doesn't do well or effectively, in fact, most of it.

00:42:52.000 But I don't think that that means you throw the baby out with the bathwater every time.

00:42:55.000 And that's what the DSA is doing.

00:42:56.000 Like, we're just going to give everyone free healthcare.

00:42:58.000 It's okay.

00:42:59.000 What does that mean?

00:43:00.000 What's the budget impact of that?

00:43:02.000 And it's free stuff populism.

00:43:03.000 It's something Charlie warned about, and it's completely alluring and intoxicating and seductive.

00:43:08.000 It doesn't work, and that's the big problem.

00:43:10.000 But I think what this guy is getting at, it's almost like they're following the right wing critique, the right wing populist critique.

00:43:17.000 One of the things we say on this show all the time is that the Senate is broken.

00:43:19.000 Mike Lee says the Senate is broken.

00:43:21.000 We just had Senator Eric Schmidt.

00:43:22.000 He's saying the Senate is broken.

00:43:24.000 And so these institutions are essentially falling down on the job, and they're giving them an opening for these radical left wing lunatics that are importing foreign ideologies, foreign tribalism, and foreign communism into the American system.

00:43:38.000 They're giving them an opening because they're not doing their Job.

00:43:40.000 They're allowing the Senate to get completely bogged down in procedural and parliamentary issues.

00:43:46.000 Look at this.

00:43:46.000 And so I don't know if you have a thought on that.

00:43:48.000 Yeah.

00:43:48.000 Well, we just spoke to Senator Eric Schmidt about the SAVE Act.

00:43:51.000 That's passed the House.

00:43:52.000 It's waiting on the Senate.

00:43:54.000 If Americans hear over and over again, we could have this change that seems desirable, except the Senate's in a way, they'll blow up the Senate.

00:44:02.000 And America will be, we can't go back from that.

00:44:05.000 Well, and that's right.

00:44:06.000 I don't think they have the power to overturn the Senate right now, Sean, because it's pretty ingrained.

00:44:11.000 No, no, no.

00:44:12.000 But they're changing the Overton window.

00:44:14.000 Yeah.

00:44:15.000 Correct.

00:44:16.000 Not just that, but also, like, you know, maybe you get rid of one piece, you know, you start to chip away.

00:44:22.000 And there's things like I remember 10 years ago laughing at the notion of pronouns. 0.77

00:44:27.000 Like, are you insane? 0.99

00:44:28.000 This is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. 1.00

00:44:30.000 Who would have thought? 1.00

00:44:31.000 I mean, just stop and think about it.

00:44:33.000 You talk about the Overton window shifting.

00:44:35.000 The idea that we're having a debate about what a woman is.

00:44:41.000 And the chancellor of UC San Francisco, I think it was, testified in front of Congress this week and said, I will admit, this is against the chancellor of the university, that the majority of births happen to women.

00:44:51.000 And I'm like, nope, not the majority.

00:44:54.000 But the idea that that is even something that is a discussion is insane. 0.99

00:44:59.000 And so I warn, when I say I'm warning people, it's if you said to me 10 years ago we'd be having this debate, I would tell you you're nuts. 0.97

00:45:06.000 And we're now having this debate.

00:45:08.000 And I go, just trust me, it's inching towards us.

00:45:12.000 Well, if you think that sounds extreme, all of a sudden packing the Supreme Court doesn't seem so crazy anymore.

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00:46:16.000 All right, Sean, this feels like a very Sean Spicer question because you're in the beltway, you're in the swamp, Sean.

00:46:26.000 And uh, it's just too funny, I had to bring it up.

00:46:29.000 Uh, so Joe Biden is coming out with a memoir after the.

00:46:33.000 I have to play the clip, I'm sorry, in advance.

00:46:35.000 Oh, no, it's a trailer, right?

00:46:38.000 Not a clip, he did a trailer.

00:46:40.000 It's the trailer, it's the trailer.

00:46:42.000 Yes, he did this somehow.

00:46:43.000 They got him awake for at least 30 minutes to do this.

00:46:46.000 Uh, SOT 30.

00:46:52.000 Since that's the presidency, I've had a lot of people ask me, Joe, what have you been doing?

00:46:58.000 I've written a book about my time as president.

00:47:01.000 It's called Promise Me America.

00:47:03.000 It's about the challenge we face as a nation, about the decisions I made, and why I made them.

00:47:14.000 Leading the country through COVID, rebuilding our economy, and restoring our democracy after the attack on January 6th.

00:47:23.000 Ending our nation's longest war in Afghanistan, strengthening NATO, and supporting Ukraine.

00:47:30.000 It's about why I chose to run for reelection.

00:47:33.000 And why I chose to step aside.

00:47:35.000 I hope you'll read it, and I hope it strengthens your faith in what we can do as a nation and a people.

00:47:43.000 You know, I want to see.

00:47:44.000 The book is called Promise Me America, but it should be titled Opposite.

00:47:49.000 Like anything he suggests, why he did something, do the opposite of it.

00:47:53.000 It should be the opposite book.

00:47:54.000 Go ahead, Blake.

00:47:54.000 I want to see President Biden ambushed somewhere, and someone just asks him, what is said in this book?

00:48:03.000 Yeah, yeah, that's the key.

00:48:06.000 Well, the reason why that's an important question is he didn't write it and he didn't read it.

00:48:12.000 And the video is painful to watch.

00:48:14.000 I mean, look, here's the deal I'm dead serious when I say this.

00:48:17.000 I'm a political junkie.

00:48:18.000 Like, I'll read anything.

00:48:20.000 I read Corinne Jean Pierre's book.

00:48:21.000 I'm the person, I'm the guy.

00:48:23.000 So, that sale that she got, you're the one.

00:48:28.000 Yeah, I read Hunter's book, by the way, too.

00:48:31.000 So, I'll read anything and I won't read that.

00:48:35.000 That's a joke.

00:48:36.000 I mean, let's be honest.

00:48:37.000 There's no one in their right mind that believes that he wrote it, that he knows what's in it.

00:48:43.000 So, like, that's.

00:48:45.000 But the other thing is, I made the point at the top, Andrew, about it being a trailer for a reason.

00:48:52.000 Because a trailer, like we see them all the time for movies, is meant to get people excited.

00:48:56.000 Like, go watch this movie.

00:48:58.000 Tom Cruise flies off of an airplane and whatever.

00:49:00.000 He jumps off.

00:49:01.000 Like, wow, I got to go see it.

00:49:02.000 Right.

00:49:03.000 I don't think that did it.

00:49:05.000 That scares me to think that he could have, like, that's.

00:49:10.000 That's an edited Hollywood trailer.

00:49:13.000 And he sounds like I literally, I will do this.

00:49:17.000 Play it again.

00:49:19.000 And you guys try to annotate it for me.

00:49:23.000 I didn't understand how things are.

00:49:25.000 He was like, What did you do, Joe?

00:49:27.000 I'm like, What did he say?

00:49:28.000 And that's the edited version.

00:49:30.000 I honestly start the reaction.

00:49:33.000 What is the first line that he said?

00:49:35.000 I'm not playing it again.

00:49:36.000 I won't play that again.

00:49:38.000 We'll lose a lot of time.

00:49:39.000 I won't play it again.

00:49:39.000 I can't put our audience through this.

00:49:40.000 Do you know how many takes they had to have done?

00:49:42.000 Finally, they were like, we'll use that one.

00:49:45.000 We'll use that one.

00:49:46.000 They got a 45 minute window.

00:49:47.000 That's all they got, Sean.

00:49:49.000 That's all they can wait for.

00:49:51.000 It's just so that's like, look, and this thing got pushed back.

00:49:54.000 Initially, it was supposed to be in September.

00:49:56.000 And I think everybody said, no, you cannot have this come out before the election.

00:50:01.000 We do not need to have another discussion about how incompetent you were.

00:50:05.000 And also, let's again, one last thing.

00:50:09.000 One last thing.

00:50:09.000 The issues he brings up.

00:50:12.000 I recovered the nation from January 6th.

00:50:14.000 What was it that you did?

00:50:16.000 Number one.

00:50:16.000 Number two, I led the country through coronavirus.

00:50:19.000 Really?

00:50:20.000 Knowing what we know now, you want to take credit for that?

00:50:22.000 I took us out of Afghanistan.

00:50:24.000 Holy, I mean, like, what is missing with this?

00:50:25.000 I also pardoned Hunter.

00:50:26.000 I mean, what did you, he didn't, these are your highlights?

00:50:31.000 Oh my gosh.

00:50:32.000 That's it.

00:50:33.000 That's all he's got.

00:50:34.000 That's all he's got.

00:50:35.000 Sean, but interestingly enough, I think that insight is key.

00:50:37.000 He's doing it after the midterms because they don't want him to, you know, be a weight on Democrat candidates across the country.

00:50:45.000 We are now back in this. 0.77

00:50:47.000 Conflict with Iran. 0.89

00:50:48.000 It's now kinetic again. 0.96

00:50:50.000 We're bombing.

00:50:52.000 The MOU is not proceeding at this point.

00:50:54.000 Now, they said they want to call.

00:50:56.000 They released a prisoner.

00:50:57.000 They want to talk again.

00:50:58.000 Okay, fine.

00:50:59.000 Talk about it.

00:51:00.000 You are watching the midterms very, very closely.

00:51:03.000 You got two minutes.

00:51:03.000 The floor is yours.

00:51:05.000 What are our chances?

00:51:06.000 What do you predict is going to happen?

00:51:08.000 All right.

00:51:08.000 So, look, here's what I'll tell you about Iran.

00:51:10.000 Iran is politically, there's no upside. 0.98

00:51:13.000 Zero, nada, whatever. 0.99

00:51:14.000 President Trump did this for the right reasons. 0.93

00:51:16.000 I believe that making sure that Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon and making sure that the threat of Iran stays on their shores, not ours, is the right policy decision. 0.62

00:51:25.000 It wasn't a political decision.

00:51:26.000 It's the kind of thing you do as president for the good of the country, and he did the right thing.

00:51:31.000 Politically speaking, there's three things that Republicans need to do.

00:51:34.000 One, tell us what you did.

00:51:36.000 What did you do to make our lives better?

00:51:37.000 Why are we in the place that we are now?

00:51:39.000 Two, what will you do to make our lives even better, more better, betterer, if that's a phrase?

00:51:46.000 And then three, remind us the downside of the alternative, which is the Democratic Party and how bad they would be and how crazy their policies are.

00:51:54.000 They need to do that.

00:51:56.000 That's the only thing they should do.

00:51:58.000 Now, why do we have what do we have in our favor?

00:52:00.000 Redistricting that picks up about 12 to 14 seats.

00:52:03.000 That gives us, I mean, like anything else, 12 to 14 right off the goal, right?

00:52:08.000 So that's how many points we have on the board.

00:52:09.000 That helps us.

00:52:10.000 Two, we have a massive financial advantage in terms of money raised.

00:52:14.000 And the Supreme Court gave us a huge win last week.

00:52:16.000 And three, the Democrats are in massive disarray, as we discussed just a minute ago, in terms of their socialist tendencies.

00:52:22.000 We are in good shape.

00:52:24.000 I have the Senate right now.

00:52:25.000 Republicans keep it.

00:52:26.000 It might be 52, it might be 51, but we keep it. 0.59

00:52:29.000 In the House right now, I've got us at 212 seats, which means we're six short of taking the majority.

00:52:34.000 We have 18 seats in play.

00:52:36.000 Meaning Republicans need to win one of every three seats to maintain a majority.

00:52:41.000 I like those odds, especially with the advantages that I just pushed out. 0.99

00:52:44.000 Anyone who tells you that it's a foregone conclusion is a moron, does not understand how it all works. 0.98

00:52:50.000 Anyone who tells you in Leeds, by historically speaking, is admitting their ignorance to how politics works. 0.99

00:52:56.000 We have a massive financial advantage.

00:52:58.000 We have a master's redistricting advantage, and the Dems are in disarray.

00:53:01.000 I'm not saying we're going to keep it, but I think we have a really good chance.

00:53:04.000 Just keep rolling those DSA clips on every ad, every single ad.

00:53:08.000 Sean Spicer, thank you, my friend.

00:53:10.000 We'll see you soon.

00:53:10.000 You bet, guys.

00:53:11.000 Take care.

00:53:14.000 Good conversation is about respect.

00:53:16.000 It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard.

00:53:20.000 Charlie knew that.

00:53:21.000 Turning Point still knows that.

00:53:23.000 And TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

00:53:33.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

00:53:35.000 On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father.

00:53:41.000 Sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers, viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond.

00:53:46.000 TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.

00:53:50.000 You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.

00:53:54.000 TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real.

00:54:03.000 Joining us now is Alex Marlowe.

00:54:06.000 He is the host of the Alex Marlowe Show and editor in chief of Breitbart.

00:54:10.000 You got to check out Breitbart.

00:54:11.000 I check it every day, all the time.

00:54:13.000 Welcome back to the show, Alex.

00:54:14.000 Andrew, thanks for having me.

00:54:15.000 Thanks for plugging Breitbart.

00:54:16.000 And Blake, great to see you.

00:54:17.000 I got to say, I was looking at doing a traffic analysis, which is a painful part of the job.

00:54:22.000 I just want to live in the headlines all day.

00:54:24.000 But I got to tell you, we are tuning it on our app.

00:54:26.000 So, those of you who have the Breitbart app, please thank you because you guys are there and hanging out.

00:54:31.000 And if you don't have the app, then I highly recommend it because clearly there's a massive audience there that I was pleasantly surprised at how many people are on that app all day.

00:54:39.000 So, Breitbart app for all your latest headlines.

00:54:42.000 This is news to you.

00:54:43.000 You're just realizing how popular the app was.

00:54:45.000 Yeah, I didn't realize how popular the app was.

00:54:47.000 I know.

00:54:48.000 It's the.

00:54:49.000 I don't actually use the app.

00:54:51.000 Yeah.

00:54:51.000 No, this is news to me.

00:54:52.000 I don't use the app.

00:54:54.000 I just go to the website.

00:54:55.000 I go straight to the website on my desktop and on my desktop.

00:54:58.000 My favorite way is on my desktop just to read and then put my phone away.

00:55:02.000 But a lot of people love that phone app.

00:55:04.000 So, a thank you to those in the audience.

00:55:06.000 I feel like such a dinosaur.

00:55:08.000 I use basically no apps for anything.

00:55:10.000 I don't even use the Gmail app.

00:55:12.000 I go to my online app and I go to gmail.com and I read all my emails.

00:55:16.000 This is why I brought it up.

00:55:18.000 This is why I brought it up because that's how I do my email.

00:55:20.000 That's how I don't want to use the app.

00:55:22.000 But apparently, a lot of you guys do.

00:55:24.000 And thank you.

00:55:25.000 And apparently, people like it who go over there.

00:55:26.000 So, please use the app.

00:55:27.000 We have a Charlie Kirk show app that a lot of people use too.

00:55:30.000 We do.

00:55:31.000 And I don't ever talk about it.

00:55:32.000 So check that out as well.

00:55:34.000 I want to play this clip and let's talk about it because it's being promoted.

00:55:39.000 This press conference by President Trump tonight is kind of a big deal, a big line in the sand.

00:55:43.000 We know it's central to the president's mission to clean up our elections.

00:55:47.000 SOT 32.

00:55:47.000 It's good to see you.

00:55:48.000 Good to be in this room.

00:55:49.000 I'm glad everybody showed up today.

00:55:51.000 Let's get back to work.

00:55:52.000 We're going to begin with a few scheduling announcements.

00:55:54.000 Tonight, as you all know, at 9 o'clock p.m. Eastern, President Trump will deliver a major address to the nation on protecting the integrity of our elections.

00:56:04.000 So that was the first thing she said coming back to the podium at the White House as White House press secretary.

00:56:11.000 Alex, I'm hesitant to expect too much because I've been so disappointed on this front so many times.

00:56:18.000 I think it's something everybody in this audience is willing to acknowledge.

00:56:20.000 We have problems in our election.

00:56:21.000 Just look at Spencer Pratt in LA.

00:56:23.000 Look at so many issues.

00:56:25.000 Too big to rig.

00:56:26.000 We believe that Trump won despite shenanigans.

00:56:29.000 We might have lost some Senate seats because of shenanigans, especially in the upper Midwest.

00:56:33.000 What are you expecting?

00:56:34.000 What are you hearing about tonight's presser?

00:56:36.000 Yeah, he is a man who takes election integrity very seriously.

00:56:40.000 It's interesting because you guys have been kind of promoting over and over again my last book, Breaking the Law, where I go through all these cases against President Trump, and a lot of them were kind of predicated on him thinking it was sort of an act that he was fired up about 2020 being stolen, that people thought that it was just something he was using to manipulate.

00:56:59.000 But he is unequivocally convinced that that election got stolen from him.

00:57:04.000 It's not a joke.

00:57:05.000 He's not faking it.

00:57:06.000 This is not some sort of a A calculation that he really believes it. 0.56

00:57:10.000 And so that is core to his being, because I think he feels like that cascade of not being president, massive humiliation, all of the lawsuits, the J6 kangaroo court, all of that came from that election getting stolen. 0.70

00:57:23.000 And when you see the math, it just doesn't add up.

00:57:25.000 I could do all the lists of Biden getting a record level of votes, the Mark Zuckerberg drop boxes, which it looks like they've since made up over that, which is interesting.

00:57:33.000 But so many improprieties in that election, all the things in Georgia where all of a sudden they were accepting all these ballots.

00:57:39.000 They never would have accepted until weeks before when the rules were changed.

00:57:42.000 All these improprieties, Trump is thinking, we got to stop this.

00:57:45.000 And then you see case after case after case, all these Democrats lately admitting they'll never win another election if they have voter ID, at least not in the swing states.

00:57:54.000 If you have to bring a voter ID to the polls, and then you look at California, where I'm at, where they intentionally mail out ballots to people who are ineligible to vote.

00:58:04.000 The craziest thing you could ever imagine if you want to have election integrity.

00:58:08.000 We proactively give ballots to ineligible people.

00:58:11.000 Trump is looking at all that and saying, We got to do something, or else I'm not as successful as I can be.

00:58:16.000 Yeah, on that note, let's go ahead and play this.

00:58:18.000 I wanted to play this earlier.

00:58:19.000 I'm going to do it now.

00:58:20.000 And this is Joe Rogan to JD Vance on the California elections, specifically Spencer Pratt.

00:58:25.000 Stop five.

00:58:26.000 Well, it's just very disheartening that you have to consider the fact that it's really possible that the elections get stolen.

00:58:37.000 And the California one was a big one for me.

00:58:39.000 I'm not skeptical.

00:58:41.000 I'm not skeptical.

00:58:42.000 I'm accusing them.

00:58:43.000 I think they stole the election.

00:58:45.000 Yes.

00:58:46.000 And I think it's common.

00:58:49.000 And I, you know, this idea that elections can't be stolen.

00:58:52.000 I always say to people, okay, do you think that the amount of election fraud is 0%?

00:59:00.000 No one thinks that.

00:59:01.000 And I think they cheat.

00:59:03.000 And I think they've been doing it forever.

00:59:04.000 And I don't think there's any other reason why you would have no voter ID.

00:59:08.000 Watching that, I just think about it.

00:59:11.000 I'd have this conversation with Charlie and with others.

00:59:15.000 And as he said, do you think it's 0%?

00:59:18.000 Well, if it's not 0%, Where's it coming from?

00:59:21.000 And so much of it is yeah, if you're sending ballots to ineligible people or you're sending ballots to just literally anyone and you're allowing people to be paid to get people to sign up, paid to collect ballots, people can harvest as many ballots as they want.

00:59:36.000 You're decentralizing the process.

00:59:38.000 And I think that's the real secret weapon that Democrats have benefited from is when they can decentralize the process of potential fraud.

00:59:45.000 Like mail ballots, you send a mail ballot to everyone, and someone goes and they fill out all of their family's ballots, they nag them to sign it, they Hand it to a harvester, turn it in.

00:59:55.000 That is illegal behavior.

00:59:57.000 That is a crime.

00:59:58.000 Is that a crime that's ever going to be prosecuted?

01:00:01.000 Definitely not in the state of California.

01:00:03.000 And when you play that out all over the country, you leave people with a process that they feel they can't trust.

01:00:10.000 Oh, and they're collecting ballots, of course, in days and weeks after the official election day.

01:00:15.000 They have a process they don't trust.

01:00:16.000 They have a process where there's little bits here and there that you can insert votes that shouldn't be counted, and people don't trust it.

01:00:24.000 And the president is so correct.

01:00:26.000 To fight for a process that not only makes fraud harder, but especially looks like it is a lot less fraudulent and fairer.

01:00:34.000 Or otherwise, people are going to check out and think it's all fake.

01:00:37.000 I got to say that watching this clip, yeah, JD had a great response where he said, Well, if you guys think there's no fraud, then just let us have the IDs and then we'll feel better about it.

01:00:46.000 Then you can prove how all of us are wrong, which I thought was a great point.

01:00:48.000 But if you look at how they do it in California, IDs are banned.

01:00:51.000 Like you can't even show them. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Homeless are obviously paid to vote. 1.00

01:00:54.000 There's no way to stop that. 1.00

01:00:55.000 It's happening.

01:00:56.000 Ballot harvesting, where people are allowed to collect votes.

01:00:59.000 So you don't even have to go and go to get to a mailbox to be able to vote.

01:01:02.000 So the least interested people are voting.

01:01:04.000 There's ballot curing.

01:01:04.000 So if there's any mistakes, you can then fix your vote, quote unquote mistakes.

01:01:08.000 We count ballots long after election day.

01:01:10.000 The signature verification is non existent.

01:01:13.000 Voter rolls don't ever get depleted and audited.

01:01:16.000 It's non stop.

01:01:18.000 Every single place where you could find fraud.

01:01:20.000 And this is why Blake's point is the most important point you can make is the decentralization.

01:01:24.000 There's so many ways and moments where you can interfere and cheat.

01:01:27.000 And that's why they like that system because they know it would take a Herculean effort to police all of it.

01:01:32.000 So we need to have much more standardization and make it so that there are fewer fail points, fewer points where you're in a scenario where someone can manipulate.

01:01:40.000 One of the biggest ones that stands out to me, and I just remembered this think about the number of people we have in care homes people getting dementia, Alzheimer's, people who clearly do not really have the ability to know what ballot they're casting.

01:01:52.000 Well, we've had endless suspicious cases where a lot of ballots have been collected from a care home.

01:01:58.000 You can imagine these carers going around, oh, do you want to have a vote?

01:02:01.000 Oh, I can help you fill out this ballot.

01:02:03.000 You're always allowed to help people fill out ballots.

01:02:06.000 You can provide interpreters on ballots.

01:02:09.000 One of the most obvious ways.

01:02:10.000 And are we going to be able to have investigators go and police every nursing home, prosecute every nurse or caregiver who does something suspicious?

01:02:19.000 There's so much of that out there.

01:02:21.000 And it says everything that Democrats are just going to put their hand down and say, There's no problem.

01:02:26.000 We're not going to look for a problem.

01:02:28.000 We're going to claim there's no problem specifically because we don't investigate.

01:02:31.000 And then we can say, Oh, no one ever gets convicted of this since we don't investigate for it.

01:02:35.000 It's just such a giant travesty and a sham.

01:02:38.000 And a lot of the people we wish came from as a country.

01:02:42.000 Yeah, where we came from as a country, where we had, you know, the vote was sacrosanct. 1.00

01:02:48.000 It was landed gentry. 0.89

01:02:50.000 And then we pushed forward this whole universal suffrage movement.

01:02:54.000 And now it's sort of like, well, even immigrants should be able to vote. 0.52

01:02:58.000 I mean, the bastardization of how much value we place in a vote and the disenfranchisement of actual Americans because we can't trust our own elections is truly a civic sin.

01:03:11.000 I mean, it really, really is such a sin.

01:03:13.000 And I totally applaud the president.

01:03:15.000 I back his play a thousand percent on this and JD Vance's in this because if we cannot trust our own elections, then the whole thing's a sham.

01:03:23.000 And the fact that they are admitting openly that they will not be able to win elections in some places if they don't have these loose standards is a pure and unadulterated indictment of their own position.

01:03:35.000 They are cheating.

01:03:36.000 They are rigging the game.

01:03:37.000 This is what they've been doing for decades, and they're getting called an account.

01:03:40.000 And I'm listening, I was in the break, I was listening to some of these questions from, I forget his name, Garrett from NBC.

01:03:46.000 I've actually met Garrett.

01:03:48.000 Nice guy.

01:03:48.000 But he's asking, why won't Trump drop this?

01:03:50.000 He won in 2024.

01:03:51.000 We won despite your cheating.

01:03:54.000 We won despite it.

01:03:55.000 And the problem is not anywhere near to being fixed. 0.97

01:03:58.000 And the fact they play dumb on this and act like we're a bunch of Looney Tunes conspiracy theorists because we're still asking questions is just absolutely nuts. 0.80

01:04:06.000 Because there's a lot there. 0.92

01:04:07.000 There is a lot there, especially when it comes to election integrity.

01:04:10.000 All right.

01:04:10.000 So, Alex, you were at the Defense Innovation Summit in PA yesterday.

01:04:16.000 Trump spoke at that.

01:04:18.000 You did a great job covering it.

01:04:20.000 But this question came up earlier in the show with, Senator Eric Schmidt.

01:04:25.000 A lot of people are talking about this 219, Section 219 of the NDAA, this proposed cooperative with Israel on intelligence and defense.

01:04:36.000 Have you looked into this at all?

01:04:37.000 Do you have a perspective on it?

01:04:40.000 This is not an anti Israel sentiment for me at all, actually.

01:04:44.000 It just feels like something we shouldn't be doing in general.

01:04:47.000 I mean, we've already proven that we can coordinate with the Israelis very effectively when it came to Iran.

01:04:52.000 Why do we need to go in deeper?

01:04:54.000 That's my question.

01:04:55.000 Yeah, I think that that's always a reasonable question. 0.99

01:04:57.000 I think a lot of people that I talk to within the White House who are not necessarily buddied up with a lot of the people who dominate the podcast space, I really do say that the intelligence we get from the Israelis is second to none. 0.98

01:05:11.000 It is the top that we can get. 0.99

01:05:14.000 And I've been very critical of their PR, as was Charlie over the last year.

01:05:18.000 I think they've not been helpful in the Iran war in general, but I maintain overall, people on the inside tell me that their intelligence is the best and doing things to facilitate.

01:05:29.000 Getting that intelligence, it doesn't really have to do necessarily with what you think personally of Netanyahu and how he's running his government.

01:05:34.000 And I think that that's an important thing to think about contextually.

01:05:38.000 But it is always good to reappraise allies and adversaries.

01:05:43.000 And Trump is amazing at this.

01:05:44.000 And I think he's been really wise to do this.

01:05:47.000 And it comes from, I think, him having an open heart and open mind to certain things.

01:05:51.000 Just the thought that Saudi Arabia and Qatar would be close allies with us 10 years ago would have been unthinkable.

01:05:56.000 And then now we're here.

01:05:58.000 And I think that's a benefit.

01:05:58.000 And it also puts some teeth.

01:06:00.000 On his threats to countries like NATO, where if you think we're friends, then you better behave like friends.

01:06:06.000 Georgia Maloney, we love you, but if you're not going to let us use bases when we're doing a strategic bombing of Iran, he's not going to forget that, and there's going to be consequences.

01:06:14.000 And I love that posture.

01:06:15.000 So anything that reevaluates stuff, I'm always cool with it.

01:06:18.000 But Israeli intelligence, pretty good.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:21.000 No, I think it's good, but we already cooperate with them.

01:06:23.000 We already are, you know, very closely in connection.

01:06:27.000 We communicate well. 0.85

01:06:28.000 We're obviously capable of launching very effective strikes in Iran.

01:06:32.000 Why do we need to further? 0.93

01:06:35.000 Sort of connect the dots behind the scenes or develop tech when it seems like why fix it if it ain't broken?

01:06:41.000 And I've asked my sources, and a lot of people don't see that there is a problem.

01:06:46.000 I don't understand.

01:06:47.000 And there is some indication that Benjamin Netanyahu is the one advancing this.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, you were going to chime in there.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, I just am curious who are the best spokespeople for it and against it? 0.66

01:06:58.000 Because it seems like a lot of Thomas Massey, Ro Khanna, people who are always trying to get in front of a microphone or behind a keyboard to rage about Israel, it seems like those are the guys who are the biggest, the most vocal people.

01:07:08.000 So I'm trying to see who's going to emerge and make a really, not necessarily a social media friendly case, but like a serious case one way or the other.

01:07:15.000 And I don't know who to turn to in that at the moment.

01:07:18.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 And I've heard that if the thoughts are, yeah, go ahead, Blake.

01:07:24.000 Go ahead.

01:07:26.000 Man.

01:07:29.000 Come on.

01:07:29.000 20 seconds, Blake.

01:07:30.000 You're putting me on the spot here.

01:07:31.000 You're putting me on the spot here.

01:07:33.000 I just want our government that we should just be able to say, I put America first.

01:07:39.000 I think America is the priority, and you should not get blown up by too many people if you do that.

01:07:44.000 That's what I would say.

01:07:45.000 America first.

01:07:46.000 I don't know what that means, but America first, I can endorse.

01:07:50.000 Alex Marlowe, God bless you, man.

01:07:52.000 We'll see you soon.

01:07:53.000 Thanks, guys.

01:07:54.000 Always fun.

01:07:58.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 16, 2026

JD Vance, Joe Rogan, Epstein, and Israel

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