Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) joins the show to talk about the Democratic Debates, the upcoming VP debate, and much, much more! Tweet me if you have any thoughts, suggestions or feedback on the show. Timestamps: 1:00:00 - Who's your pick for VP? 2:30 - What are the chances of Donald Trump winning the VP debate? 3:15 - Is Joe Biden a good VP pick? 4:40 - Is there any chance Joe Biden could beat Donald Trump? 5:10 - What should we expect from the VP Debates? 6:20 - Should we be worried about a Democratic Debate? 7:00 8:30 - Who is the most likely to win the VP Debate? 9:20 - Is it possible for Joe Biden to defeat Donald Trump in 2020? 11:00- Is there a chance for a third party candidate to win this election? 12:30- What are our chances of defeating Joe Biden? 13:20- What is the best way to prepare for a VP Debate that's fair? 14:15- How can we prepare? 15:40- What can we expect in advance? 16:15 Can Biden and Trump have a fair debate in the future? 17:40 18:00 Finally, what are our best chance of winning the 2020 presidential debates? 19:10 21:10- How should we prepare for the next presidential debate 22: How will Joe Biden and Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have a chance of being a good debater in the 2020 Democratic Deb Debate 26:30, is Joe Biden better than Donald Trump a good Debater? 27:00, is Biden a better debater than Trump better than Trump a better Debater than Hillary Clinton? 29:40, is it possible to beat Trump or Hillary Clinton better than he s better than she is a better than we think he s a better person than she s chances of being president than Trump is better than She s chances? 30: What are we going to do in a debate between Trump or she s going to win in 2020 than Trump or he s gonna be better than that? 31:00 Does Biden have a shot at winning in 2020 at the 2020 primary? 32:00 What do we need to do to win?
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00:01:51.000You get out there, you do this, and what you try to do is make a difference, right?
00:01:53.000And when people respond well to it, It's always gratifying.
00:01:57.000I think most importantly, as you know, is a lot of people there.
00:02:00.000I mean, my understanding, Charlie, is about two-thirds of the people there are Michigan residents who are doing a lot of doorknocking, a lot of volunteer get-out-the-boat stuff.
00:04:28.000Second thing, we know Trump has much more energy than Joe Biden, but yet, as I understand it, the Biden folks are working to try to make sure that they can be seated for the 90 minutes of the debate.
00:04:38.000So it takes away one of Trump's huge advantages that he has more energy, that he's a more imposing figure physically, and they're trying to neutralize that advantage.
00:04:47.000Then you talk about the moderators, I think all of whom we would admit even I think they would admit that they are biased, at least politically towards Donald or towards Joe Biden.
00:04:57.000Hopefully that bias doesn't come out during the debate.
00:04:59.000And finally, Charlie, we have no idea what kind of medication they're going to give to They can't drug test the guy before the debate.
00:05:07.000And so they may very well be able to get the 90 best minutes that Joe Biden has and the media will say, Oh, Republicans said he was going to be terrible.
00:05:16.000And all of a sudden he was really good.
00:05:18.000You layer that on top of the biased format against Trump.
00:05:21.000And I just think Republicans were taking a victory lap on this.
00:05:24.000Yes, we've got the better candidate and we've got the way better guy, but we need to be careful here about setting expectations in a way that no one can beat them.
00:05:49.000I think there's something to be said, though, about Trump being the populist nationalist that he is, going into these adversarial environments, showing Trump's combative spirit.
00:06:01.000And yeah, it's a 95% chance that they're going to be hostile.
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00:07:41.000So look, it's always dangerous to give Trump advice because he came from the outside and won his first race, which was to run for president.
00:07:48.000So he obviously knows what he's doing.
00:07:50.000I mean, look, Charlie, I, and you probably agree with this.
00:07:54.000When you get to know Trump, the thing that is kind of shocking compared to the media narrative of Trump is just how like fundamentally decent and nice of a human being he is, right?
00:08:22.000And I think if we can get that to sort of shine through, then that's going to help him more than any particular policy debating point.
00:08:30.000We just have to make sure that shines through.
00:08:31.000And I think talking about the people he's met on the campaign trail, I mean, you may remember this, Charlie, but when we had this terrible train accident in East Palestine, Ohio, and Trump shows up completely out of the blue, has bottled water, but just interacting with people on the ground, It sort of hit me that this is a part of Trump that no one really ever sees, and the media hides for obvious reasons.
00:08:58.000I reached out to some of the Trump campaign people afterwards, and I said, guys, you know what you're doing.
00:09:04.000Take this advice for what it's worth, but you've got to showcase the president in this kind of environment more often.
00:09:11.000I'm so glad you brought up East Palestine.
00:10:25.000I mean, that was Mitt Romney's sort of very good debate against Obama.
00:10:28.000You know, just a point on East Palestine.
00:10:32.000So just to recap very briefly, I mean, he shows up, we go and sit down with the mayor, with some of the local firefighters, with the local congressmen.
00:10:41.000And again, he's just asking, like, how are things going?
00:10:46.000And again, there is this connection that I think Trump feels to just normal Americans, right, from all walks of life, rich, poor, working class, not, whether they work in a factory, they work, like, if you're a normal person, right, Trump just sort of gravitates towards you.
00:11:01.000And I think this is like, you know, one of his sort of very secretive superpowers in politics is that people pick
00:11:08.000up on others who like them or others who don't like them.
00:11:12.000And I think a lot of Republicans, let's be honest here, they
00:12:23.000And yeah, he's a successful guy and he's a billionaire and all that, but you wouldn't know it seeing him interact with people because he's just good at it.
00:12:31.000And that's the part of Trump that I think the campaign has to showcase.
00:12:35.000The East Palestine Trump we have to showcase.
00:12:37.000I think they've been doing a good job of that.
00:12:38.000I think that Susie and James Blair and the team there, they've been doing a really good job of that, just generally and broadly.
00:12:46.000Yeah, so I want to now talk about the Rust Belt here, Senator, which ties into what we're talking about Trump.
00:12:51.000If Donald Trump is able to win one of the blue wall states, the industrial belt, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and he's able to flip Georgia, Arizona, which we're working our tail off in Arizona, I'll tell you what, but Arizona, Georgia are by far structurally easier than the blue wall.
00:13:06.000We have more registered Republicans than Democrats.
00:13:08.000are course correct. Georgia and Arizona are primed to do better. The blue wall is the open question.
00:13:16.000And so as someone who has been popularly elected, and you are very popular in Ohio,
00:13:21.000what is the game plan for us to do better in western Pennsylvania, do better in southern Michigan?
00:13:27.000You know, I spoke to a reporter who you would know, and she was like, oh, well, I was talking about how I think you should be the vice president.
00:13:35.000And she said, well, I mean, doesn't Trump have the Rust Belt on lock?
00:13:40.000I said, seemingly he's very popular, but if we don't win one of those states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, then we're going to be on the outside looking in.
00:13:49.000Take us through in some detail, Senator, from a policy perspective, and then from a political perspective, what you've learned being a Senator in the last couple of years, and what Donald Trump can present to this part of the world to be successful.
00:14:14.000But I think we have to recognize that these are like different states fundamentally.
00:14:18.000And obviously, my Ohio is sort of part of those.
00:14:20.000I don't think Ohio is at any risk of going blue in 2024.
00:14:24.000But number one is, these are areas that were the absolute heart of the American economy 40 or 50 years ago.
00:14:30.000And then this bipartisan consensus came along and said, well, hey, let's ship our entire industrial base off to China, off to East Asia, off to Mexico.
00:14:39.000These workers in places like Wisconsin and Michigan suffered the most.
00:14:44.000And there's this real sense like a loss of pride, a loss of purpose, like knowing that you grew up in a community that used to make things and now it's like most of the stores downtown have closed down and there's a lot of fentanyl coming in across the southern border and that's killing your neighbors and killing your neighbor's kids.
00:16:49.000It's a problem, but the way that it looks, I think the way we talk about the border has to be a little bit different in industrial Midwest.
00:16:57.000I think that's right, and it becomes very personal, and also there's really no nonsense spin.
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00:18:05.000I think Joe Biden was able to do slightly better in 2020 because he had this kind of Scranton Joe roots.
00:18:13.000Do you sense that that has really deteriorated for Joe Biden, and that in that region of the world, white working class voters no longer think fondly of Joe Biden, where previously there might have been some good vibes for Joe?
00:18:26.000Yeah, well, I think he had his chance, Charlie.
00:18:28.000And he did run, in a lot of ways, he ran on Trump's themes in 2020.
00:18:31.000So he was sort of explicitly- That's correct.
00:18:35.000Trump's 2016 arguments and applying them in 2020.
00:18:39.000So it's not surprising he was able to attract some of those voters.
00:18:42.000But look, What's he actually done with it, Charlie?
00:18:44.000The main thing that Joe Biden has done when it comes to manufacturing policy in this country is he's destroyed American energy.
00:18:52.000He's radically reduced the amount of energy that we could produce relative to what we need.
00:18:57.000And the second thing he's done, Charlie, is he's put hundreds of billions of dollars into green energy boondoggles that benefit Chinese manufacturers and the Chinese middle class.
00:19:08.000But don't do a whole lot for the American middle class.
00:19:11.000So why are we building the Chinese green economy off the backs of auto workers in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Ohio?
00:19:50.000So there's new polling that shows, Senator, and I want to get your thoughts on this, that Donald Trump is doing better with Black voters, doing better with Hispanics, doing better with younger voters, which we've been working on very hard.
00:20:01.000But the Wall Street Journal says, boomers for Biden.
00:20:03.000That baby boomers are increasingly going towards Joe Biden.
00:20:07.000Now, to be clear, it's still a battleground demographic.
00:20:10.000However, it is eroding a structural advantage that Donald Trump would have enjoyed in previous elections.
00:20:16.000This is not a group similar to any other.
00:20:23.000And in fact, Joe Biden is doing five points better with baby boomers than in 2020 with Donald Trump.
00:20:30.000I don't think that is going to remain.
00:20:32.000I actually think that boomers are going to come home and are going to reject Joe Biden.
00:20:38.000But help me make sense of this, Senator.
00:20:40.000Why is it that younger voters, ages 23, 24 years old, are increasingly going right wing and are saying that we want the rebel Donald Trump, but 70-year-old voters want Joe Biden?
00:21:21.000I think the other thing that's going on though, Charlie, is look, Biden has been really effective at messaging on this idea that Republicans want to steal away your social security and your Medicare.
00:21:33.000And unfortunately, you know, you do have some Republicans who frankly make that message easier.
00:21:37.000The problem is Trump actually makes that message harder.
00:21:40.000And I think we can go to a lot of these voters and say, look, you know what's going to destroy social security?
00:21:45.000Allowing fraudulent, illegal immigrant claimants on your social security.
00:21:48.000You know what's going to destroy social security?
00:21:50.00020 million people here that we have to support on the public dole who shouldn't be in this country to begin with.
00:21:55.000So my guess is Biden has been a little bit effective at scaring people, and we can correct that.
00:22:02.000But it's also the polling doesn't quite make sense for that demographics.
00:22:05.000A lot of them don't like to answer phone calls from strange pollsters.
00:22:09.000I think there's a lot of truth to that.
00:22:11.000And younger voters, your campaign, JD, was about a return to a normal American way of life.
00:22:18.000One where you own property, have children, get married.
00:22:22.000Younger voters increasingly are not able to do those three things.
00:22:26.000What can we as a Republican Party do from a policy perspective to try and make it easier so that younger voters can own homes, that they can get married and have children?
00:22:38.000I'm not suggesting that we need to outlaw this, but I do think this is a concern of mine.
00:22:43.000One fourth of all home purchases I totally agree with that.
00:23:29.000And it's not radical in sort of the traditional ways.
00:23:32.000In some ways, they're becoming more right-wing.
00:23:34.000In other ways, of course, they're becoming more left-wing.
00:23:37.000But I think it's very much a symptom of the fact that our public policy
00:23:42.000has made it harder for young people to build families and form a life
00:23:47.000and actually have some basic stability.
00:23:49.000I mean, 40, 50 years ago, most people could actually support a family of four or five people on a single middle class income, right?
00:23:57.000That promotes family stability, that promotes family formation, and not, unfortunately, the situation that we have today.
00:24:04.000But housing costs, I mean, I hear all the time from young constituents of mine.
00:24:09.000I have one in particular who's a realtor, and her dream is that she likes to get young families into their first home, into their starter home.
00:24:17.000And she talks all the time about how you have a young couple, maybe the wife is pregnant, maybe they're thinking about having a baby, they're just about to get married, whatever station they're in.
00:24:26.000a young couple looking to buy a house, and they put in an offer and it's 2% above asking and then
00:24:32.000somebody comes in, very often, a foreign backed institutional investor and bids 10 or 15% above
00:24:38.000asking. So we have a young generation that's becoming more open to left wing economics,
00:24:45.000because I think that they're not actually benefiting from what's going on in the incredible bounty that we have in
00:24:51.000And I think we just have to say, like, look, Housing affordability, not letting foreign investors buy up our farmland and our single family homes, getting real about family policy.
00:25:01.000I mean, you know, in other countries, young people who get married and have kids, they just pay way less in taxes than they would have otherwise paid, right?
00:25:11.000Because we want to promote family formation.
00:25:13.000Maybe we should be talking about doing that stuff.
00:25:15.000In the United States of America, a true pro-family policy combined with lower housing costs and of course, combined with getting illegal aliens out of our country that are poisoning our streets.
00:25:26.000I think that goes a long way to making family formation more possible.
00:25:30.000And I think if young people think there's a pathway for that, they're going to be more willing to vote for the party that's promoting that pathway and has a real plan.
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00:26:58.000And Charlie, can we just talk about something else too?
00:27:00.000I mean, something that occurred to me while I heard you make that observation, which I agree with, like, okay, so Republicans don't think that Joe Biden's student loan forgiveness plan is a good idea.
00:27:31.000They have tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt.
00:27:35.000Now, again, I don't think that the average American citizen should pay for it, but maybe the universities should.
00:27:41.000Maybe we should expect the colleges to pick up some of the bill that they put on the backs of young Americans.
00:27:48.000I've talked to Charlie about taxing endowments and having some of that money go to student debt relief or making the student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy so that these kids don't have their entire life ruined.
00:27:59.000And the colleges have to pick up the tab.
00:28:01.000I think it's basic fairness here that we ought to ask the colleges to foot more of the bill, not the ordinary American citizen.
00:28:13.000We talk about that in my book, actually, Right Wing Revolution.
00:28:15.000Senator, I know you have to go in just a second here.
00:28:18.000The final question I want your comment on is that polling shows this election is unlike any other.
00:28:25.000Where when you and I were growing up in the conservative movement, it was always the case that if there was higher turnout, it would benefit Democrats.
00:28:33.000That lower propensity voters would be in the Democrat favor.
00:28:37.000That was the case in 2004, 2008, 2012.
00:28:57.000I'm afraid we do not have the apparatus to actually be able to capitalize on the low propensity voter advantage that we might actually be able to enjoy this cycle.
00:29:07.000Your thoughts on how this happened and how we can Maximize the harvest of the low propensity opportunity.
00:29:14.000Charlie, this is such a smart and important point and just an observation on what happened here.
00:29:20.000I think it's the Republican Party became a more working class party.
00:29:24.000We frankly have become a more normal party, right?
00:29:26.000Normal people, people who aren't weirdos.
00:29:31.000We've got to get the normal people to the polls, the people who don't think about who they're going to vote for until the week or two before the election.
00:29:45.000That's really, really important and compelling and powerful.
00:29:48.000And the question of how we do that, Charlie, I mean, obviously what you guys, what Turning Point Action and others is doing is really important.
00:29:55.000I do think we have leadership at the RNC that is very focused on this issue, but we saw this in our own polling in my race in 2002.
00:30:03.000We sort of said, look, if we get the Trump 2020 electorate in the state of Ohio, we don't have to worry about the election at all.
00:30:10.000If we get the sort of, you know, off cycle midterm year where not as many people vote, then we might be in trouble.
00:30:19.000And we were able to sort of land somewhere in the middle and we won comfortably.
00:30:24.000Which is amazing because not every state, sorry to interrupt, not every state was able to get in the middle.
00:30:28.000Like that's amazing that you guys were able to do it.