In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk sits down with journalist Jay Beecher, who has been working on the Epstein case for years and has interviewed all of the main players, including Jeffrey Epstein's brother and many of the alleged victims, including Professor Alan Dershowitz, Virginia Geffrey's inner circle, and the accused and accusers.
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00:01:13.000And as promised, we are going to dive headlong into everything Epstein.
00:01:19.000And we told you yesterday we wanted to do it right.
00:01:22.000And I had been hearing this gentleman's name mentioned in multiple different places as the guy that's been working on this for years and has interviewed all of the main players, maybe not all, but darn near all, including Jeffrey Epstein's brother and many of the alleged victims and so on and so forth.
00:01:40.000And so without further ado, we're going to welcome him onto the show.
00:01:59.000Honored to have you from the mother island there in the UK.
00:02:04.000So just by way of introduction for our audience that doesn't know who you are and what you've been up to, how long have you been working on investigating the Jeffrey Epstein saga and maybe just some of the people that you've interviewed along the way?
00:02:21.000So I got into the story by reading just a generic article about one of the allegations made by Virginia Geoffrey, one of the most vocal Epstein accusers.
00:02:32.000And I was just going to write a basic article and, you know, sort of copying what she said.
00:02:37.000And then I started to find some contradictions in there and it led me down a rabbit hole.
00:02:43.000So for the past six years, I've been traveling the world really interviewing Jeffrey Epstein's brother, some of the Maxwell family, but also Professor Alan Dershowitz, Virginia Geffrey's inner circle, and the accused and the accusers.
00:02:59.000So at the moment, the media just go one side and have only really, they'll interview the accusers.
00:03:05.000They'll print the allegations verbatim.
00:03:07.000There's very minimal fact-checking involved there, just looking for sensational headlines.
00:03:12.000So I wanted to get both sides of the story so that people can make up their own minds and see the full facts.
00:03:36.000President Trump signed it despite some of his misgivings.
00:03:39.000Which I feel a lot of his misgivings have panned out because what he said when he was opposing it, he said, there's going to be a lot of stuff in this that's going to hurt innocent people.
00:03:49.000Hurt innocent people kind of lead to a lot of wild allegations and certainly embarrassing true stuff for a lot of people.
00:03:59.000Certainly, some people have had real things embarrass them.
00:04:02.000But it also, at least, you can correct me if I'm wrong, Jay, but I don't feel that it's blown open what some people were saying would be revealed like a massive blackmail ring or the like.
00:04:13.000And let me put a pin on that because a fine point.
00:05:31.000But Virginia took it upon herself to, whereas Jeffrey Epstein didn't actually ask to get underage girls, Virginia went into her local community and got vulnerable schoolgirls who were around about 14, some of them are 16, 17, etc.
00:05:47.000And all of this is documented in the police reports.
00:05:50.000Virginia got them to lie about their ages.
00:05:53.000Another girl called Hayley Robson, who was recruited by Virginia, got these girls to lie about their ages.
00:06:39.000The story would have died there if it were not for the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was friends and associated with some of the most famous and richest people in the world, some of the most influential people, from presidents to prime ministers, Hollywood stars, directors, all sorts of people.
00:06:55.000And so the media wanted to latch onto this.
00:06:58.000Then, at this halfway through the time, the story actually did go quite quiet.
00:07:03.000Then you had the QAnon, you had Pizzagate shortly before that, talking about elite trafficking networks at play.
00:07:10.000Then you had the Me Too movement come up right in the middle of all of this.
00:07:14.000And so people were focused on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal again.
00:07:18.000You had the original victims, and they are victims because they were underage.
00:07:22.000You know, these schoolgirls, although they lied about their ages, they still were vulnerable young schoolgirls.
00:07:30.000There were about six different girls, maybe a few more.
00:07:33.000And then the lawyers thought this is a great way to make some money.
00:07:37.000And then all these salacious stories came out.
00:07:39.000So you had Alan Dershowitz accused, falsely accused by Virginia Geoffrey.
00:07:44.000And this is the lawyer of Donald Trump.
00:07:48.000You had Donald Trump falsely accused by a woman, and it turned out to have been orchestrated.
00:07:53.000It was a hoax that was orchestrated actually by a producer of the Jerry Springer show.
00:07:58.000And, but then Virginia had fed into this narrative.
00:08:02.000She, this Pizzagate conspiracy of a global trafficking network, she accused, said that she'd slept with foreign presidents and then later admitted that she'd never met any in her life.
00:08:13.000But that wasn't picked up by the media intentionally because that destroyed the narrative.
00:08:20.000And then it became heavily politicized because it's become a great smear campaign.
00:08:25.000Anybody who was ever, you know, snapped with in a photograph of Jeffrey Epstein, anyone who had a cup of tea or a coffee with him, or some of his friends who had business dealings with him, they were suddenly targeted via guilt by association.
00:08:50.000I mean, I don't consider you to be some fan of President Trump.
00:08:54.000I, you know, it's interesting because I do think that you mentioned the Pizzagate, the Me Too, QAnon, all of that stuff.
00:09:03.000And the confluence of those stories mixed with President Trump coming into power and everybody understood that President Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein and associated with him.
00:09:15.000So we really have to sort of start there with the President Trump allegations because that was long the assumption is that we were going to find that President Trump had done some untoward things with underage women, you know, yes or no, and then expound on it.
00:09:30.000Did President, has President Trump been, is there anything in there that would be criminal, that would be salacious even, embarrassing?
00:09:42.000So the reason, only reason I agree with Donald Trump on certain policies, I disagree with him on others.
00:09:48.000I think that's healthy with politicians.
00:09:50.000I'm not one of these, you know, believe them in everything.
00:09:52.000But I have not found a single piece of evidence to suggest that Donald Trump has done anything wrong at all.
00:10:00.000He was bound to have been in the, he was in the same social circles as Jeffrey Epstein.
00:10:06.000We know that he had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein at one time, and then he ended that relationship.
00:10:11.000And what's very telling is that from the very beginning, none of these vocal accusers and some of the genuine victims, absolutely none of them have accused him of doing anything wrong.
00:10:23.000In fact, Virginia Geffrey herself said that he was a gentleman, you know, that he didn't do anything bad whatsoever.
00:10:29.000Jay, I will let you continue here in a sec, but it's very funny to me that I feel like that's a pattern we've had for over a decade at this point.
00:10:36.000Like when you think of how scrutinized Donald Trump's entire existence has been, every business relationship he's ever had, every political engagement he's ever had.
00:10:44.000And now this, it kind of is remarkable how clean he ends up coming out of everything.
00:10:49.000They couldn't get anything on his business other than, oh, he like he lied to get a loan that no one complained about other than the state of New York.
00:10:59.000But yeah, it's funny here, even on this, you know, he could have had something like Bill Gates, where it's not necessarily criminal, but it's like highly embarrassing.
00:11:07.000And they don't even have that, it seems.
00:11:08.000And you're, I believe, you're, as you said, a man who's criticized the president a lot.
00:12:12.000If people want to, so I do not victim shame or anything like that, because what I'm trying to do is expose the genuine victims in all of this.
00:12:28.000Virginia Duffray, Haley Robinson, and a couple of others.
00:12:32.000And yet, that's the backwardsness in all of this.
00:12:34.000They have been projected as the heroes of the story, when in fact they were the villains.
00:12:39.000And they have admitted that they went out of their way to target, groom, and recruit underage girls, schoolgirls, get them to lie about their ages, and take them to a rich guy who they knew would then abuse them.
00:12:54.000And yet the media, because that does not fit the narrative, they refuse to cover that.
00:13:00.000They have just canonized these people.
00:13:02.000And anybody who criticizes them is called a victim shamer.
00:13:07.000I've interviewed Virginia DuFray's ex-partner, and he's openly admitted that whilst he was over 18, he was hunting down schoolgirls to sell to Jeffrey Epstein.
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00:16:43.000And then that begs the question: what was Gheline Maxwell doing?
00:16:47.000Was she aware that these underage women were getting recruited?
00:16:51.000Well, that's the travesty in all of this: is that the media just refused to report the truth because it doesn't fit the narrative.
00:16:58.000And it was Virginia Geoffrey and a girl called Haley Robson, who Virginia had introduced to Jeffrey Epstein, who were going out of their way to find schoolgirls to make money.
00:17:11.000I have interviewed the mother of one of Virginia's victims.
00:17:16.000So Caroline Andiaranio, sadly, was groomed by Virginia, given drugs, put on this life of prostitution, and eventually she was found dead in a hotel room, allegedly of a drug overdose.
00:17:31.000And so she destroyed Virginia, destroyed a lot of lives.
00:17:34.000But at the time, the Me Too mantra was believe all women.
00:17:38.000And the media were very adamant that they didn't want to deviate from that whatsoever.
00:17:45.000It was brilliant for journalists because here she is saying that she'd slept with foreign presidents, that she'd slept with a Prince of England, and just making all of these wild, headline-grabbing, sensational claims that they didn't want to fact-check it.
00:18:02.000They didn't want to fact-check any of it.
00:18:04.000So if you want to look at the villains in this story, it is Virginia, it's Haley Robson, and a couple of others.
00:18:11.000So if I and Virginia's ex-partner, who I interviewed, and he quite casually just talks about how he went out of his way to find schoolgirls and girls to recruit because he thought, well, that's an extra $200.
00:18:36.000Virginia has been acknowledged with foolproof and has admitted that she recruited schoolgirls while she herself was an adult, but they refused to prosecute her.
00:18:48.000The police wanted to prosecute Haley Robson, but then it went higher up and they decided to drop it and only go after Epstein.
00:18:56.000Now, Epstein did take a lie detector test.
00:18:58.000The police were quite annoyed because the result came back that he was telling the truth that he didn't know that they were underage.
00:19:04.000Fast forward 10 years or so, and suddenly you've got all these lawsuits coming in.
00:19:11.000You've got journalists who want to write stories because it's making them a lot of money.
00:19:16.000And you've got lawyers who want these articles and headlines out there because it's making them a lot of money.
00:19:23.000They've made over 100 million so far, just the lawyers alone.
00:19:27.000Because what they were doing, the lawyers, and this is well documented, they would get an accusation, they would approach the person who was accused, and then they would try to say, if you don't want this going into the press, don't want to be smeared, pay up.
00:19:44.000There are even there are emails in the Epstein files of the lawyers discussing this.
00:19:49.000And they've even talked about how they can first represent the accusers and then represent the accused and make sure that they keep these stories out of the headlines.
00:20:00.000I've listened to a secret recording taken by Alan Dershowitz, where David Boyce, who represented Virginia, admitted to him that he knew that Virginia was wrong, in his words, wrong, completely wrong to accuse him.
00:20:13.000But he said, if you pay up, find some, in his words, Jewish lawyers, some rabbis, those were his words, pay up, and this will go away.
00:21:34.000Virginia had originally claimed that she didn't sleep with Prince Andrew at all.
00:21:38.000Then she claimed that she had sex with Prince Andrew in New Mexico.
00:21:42.000She wrote three pages going into law of detail saying they went horseback riding together, had sex in the bathroom with champagne.
00:21:49.000Then under oath, she admitted she had never happened.
00:21:51.000She'd never been to New Mexico, Prince Andrew.
00:21:54.000Then she changed it to that she'd had an audi with Prince Andrew on the island.
00:21:57.000But then it was shown to her that she'd already written about this audio and it was actually, she claimed, with Jean-Luc Brunel, not with Prince Andrew.
00:22:05.000But they knew this, the lawyers, and yet they don't want to drop that.
00:22:09.000The journalists want to keep it going because they're making money from producing clickbait.
00:22:14.000And the lawyers want to get money from it.
00:22:16.000Now, Prince Andrew, when it comes to him as well, what David Boyce would do is, and he said this during an interview with Piers Morgan, if he doesn't settle out of court, if he doesn't pay up, I will depose Megan Markle, I'll depose his daughters, I'll depose all of his family.
00:22:32.000Knowing that that can't happen because the royal family wouldn't allow it to happen.
00:22:35.000The judge at the same time refused to allow him to submit certain evidence from proving that Virginia had made false allegations against him.
00:22:44.000And the lawyers have been working with politicians even now to get all of this together.
00:22:51.000Jay, we've got so much to get to here.
00:22:53.000I want to make sure we're moving quickly.
00:22:55.000So I have a thousand questions for you.
00:22:59.000Did, and we've got this, I didn't, we've got Boyce with Guffery here, a picture that we could throw up here, which so just to kind of add a visual element to this, just so everybody can see this.
00:23:13.000Do you believe that Virginia committed suicide?
00:23:15.000I know her dad has said that he doesn't think that that was the case.
00:23:19.000You just never know what to believe anymore with this, if I'm honest.
00:23:23.000So you've got she, I think she likely did.
00:23:26.000The reason that I believe that is because her web of lies was so she stacked a lie upon a lie upon a lie.
00:23:33.000And I think it was slowly beginning to collapse because she was about to be deposed for the very first time.
00:23:39.000She was going to have her very first court appearance because she was being sued by Rena Rowe, who I've interviewed quite a lot.
00:23:46.000And because she'd made a false statement against Rina.
00:23:50.000And so, whereas she, if you look into her past history, she's always settled out of court.
00:23:55.000So, with Alan Dershowitz, she settled out of court, not financially, but she admitted that she was mistaken in accusing him.
00:24:06.000But with Reena, she was trying and trying to prevent herself from being dragged into court.
00:24:12.000And the judge, two weeks before she committed suicide, had ruled that no, whatever happens, you must come into court and testify.
00:24:20.000Now, while she's in the courtroom, the defense lawyers, so Rena Rose's lawyers, sorry, would have grilled her.
00:24:27.000And I know this for a fact because I helped them with certain information.
00:24:32.000They were using, there's a photograph of Rena Rowe leaving the courtroom with a 200-page report that I did, just compiling all of Virginia's lies with the evidence.
00:24:42.000And so what they were preparing to do was to use that as an opportunity to finally, under oath, force Virginia to admit the truth.
00:24:52.000And she would have been shown all of this evidence and she would have been confronted with it.
00:24:56.000And now it would have been covered by the newspapers.
00:24:59.000You also at the same time had her marriage breakdown.
00:25:04.000Her kids were taken away from her, which is very rare.
00:25:07.000You know, you don't often see children being taken away from the mother and the mother losing custody.
00:25:16.000Yeah, it does seem that's a, I think, a strong narrative.
00:25:21.000But so bigger picture, I think an issue I want us to talk about when people do push the idea that there's not as much here as people thought.
00:25:31.000It's kind of a more mundane guy who had relations with underage girls, got caught, and then he also knew a lot of people, but there's not a bigger conspiracy or bigger behind the scenes thing.
00:25:44.000One thing people fixate on a lot is just Jeffrey Epstein's wealth.
00:25:49.000Even the vice president the other day was saying it should be investigated how he became so wealthy, because that seems very mysterious to people and that it must have some sort of dark explanation.
00:26:00.000Do you have an explanation for that that would be satisfactory?
00:26:03.000How did Jeffrey Epstein become this super rich and connected person like that?
00:26:08.000Yeah, because I had the exact same thoughts.
00:26:10.000How the hell did a mathematician, like just a low-level maths teacher without any degree, become so wealthy?
00:26:19.000He was arrested in the, I think it was the late 80s, very early 90s.
00:26:24.000He was involved in a, he'd left Bear Stearns.
00:26:27.000So whilst he was a teacher, he'd been poached by one of his students' father, who was high up in Bear Stearns, and saw that he was very good with numbers, got him on board.
00:27:37.000But then later on, it turned out that Epstein had stolen tens of millions of dollars from Leslie Wexner, enough.
00:27:45.000actually just just about 25 a quarter of the money that he stole from uh wexner was enough for him to buy his island and with with more money that he'd stolen he bought his place in france his ranch and he'd already got the house in new york from leslie wexner and then also leslie wexner gave him sort of this era of aura of credibility you know he's representing wexner he could do me so Every day,
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00:29:57.000He was seen as this great genius, sort of some asset.
00:30:01.000I think he exaggerated himself to some extent.
00:30:04.000He'd lied on his CB to get to Bear Stones.
00:30:08.000But regardless, he knew how to get rich people to pay less taxes.
00:30:12.000And that was making those shell companies in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
00:30:16.000His island, people think that he purchased this to have secrecy and to run some sort of strange operation.
00:30:23.000Well, no, it was originally just for the fact that if you're in the U.S. Virgin Islands, you get certain tax exemptions, you pay so much less tax than you would in the U.S.
00:32:36.000So he doesn't need to be a member of an agent to influence world politics and influence, you know, some of the most influential people in the world, because we can see that in his email exchanges.
00:32:47.000He's being contacted by some of the most powerful leaders asking him for advice.
00:32:53.000But that tends to be more, if you read between the lines of the emails, it's more the fact of his connections.
00:32:59.000And they're always asking him, can you connect me with this person?
00:33:03.000So one of them, I think it was the Sultan of wherever, asked him, how do I talk to Donald Trump?
00:33:08.000That's because he was associated with Donald Trump.
00:33:11.000Another one asks them for an introduction with Clinton.
00:33:15.000And they are talking about what we would deem intelligence.
00:33:19.000He was definitely that the Russia angle needs more explanation and more investigation.
00:33:25.000And you will start to see that over the coming weeks.
00:33:28.000You know, isn't any involvement with Russia.
00:33:32.000But I have not found any genuine evidence to prove that he was a member of Mossad.
00:33:39.000And when Jeffrey Epstein was asked, so he was asked, let's think, we talk about him escaping from sort of dodging one conviction early on for fraud, but he didn't escape two major convictions.
00:33:55.000So the first one being obviously when he was arrested in, I think it was 2007 and for sleeping with an underage girl.
00:34:04.000And he was asked during that time by Professor Dershowitz, do you know, are you a member of any intelligence thing?
00:34:11.000Do you have anyone who can shut this thing down?
00:34:56.000So when this is coming out, there are a hell of a lot of people who are associated with him.
00:35:02.000Now, some of these, though I say some of these powerful people have done nothing wrong, they are still likely, some of them may have slept with some of the women, because you've got to remember that 99% of the women that Jeffrey Epstein had were over legal age.
00:35:40.000Have been investigating the dev and a few things that I can't go into right now, to be honest, but they um, there are too many unanswered questions, too many coincidences from that night, his final night.
00:35:54.000We we forget that there was an original incident where Jeffrey Epstein was found.
00:36:24.000This is a non-aggressive, safe cellmate and on this incident the guards, the um, the prison officers, burst into the cell.
00:36:33.000Jeffrey's snoring, the noose has been taken off of him and he's gone unconscious.
00:36:37.000The first thing he says when he wakes up is, Nick tried to kill me, that his cellmate tried to kill him, excuse me now he.
00:36:44.000He went back on that later on and said, oh, i'm confused.
00:36:47.000But they, you know they, they think he might have been frightened into into talking about that, but he had mentioned that before that people were going to harm him.
00:36:56.000So then you've got the CCTV cameras not working.
00:36:59.000At the same time, you've got the the prison guards falling asleep on the watch conveniently.
00:37:04.000You've got one who allegedly claims that a prisoner, potentially Epstein, was shipped out um just shortly before.
00:37:11.000Now that needs um exploring properly before it's completely debunked or proven.
00:37:29.000We just don't know if it was suicide or not.
00:37:31.000There are, there are, multiple reasons why we shouldn't close the book as case solved on the death of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:37:38.000Yeah, I mean that if people wanted him dead, I mean maybe it was just they were embarrassed, maybe they did sleep with some of these underage girls that were recruited by Virginia and and uh, I believe you said Haley, if i'm not right, if not yeah, Haley Robinson yeah yeah, so okay question.
00:37:52.000So there's a lot of names that were mentioned.
00:38:00.000Whatever it is, have we learned anything from it and is anyone, is there anyone who actually might be criminally implicated, even if it's just on the level of what Epstein himself was?
00:38:10.000Yeah no, you've got sort of things that you could highlight as fraud, potentially fraudulent, that have been raised from the documents.
00:38:16.000But I think the people who so let's look at why these were released and again it goes for political and financial is political and financially motivated.
00:38:26.000You had the lawyers who need this to be released because they have, they still have on ongoing lawsuits.
00:38:32.000They've got them against institutions like banks that the last one paid out over a hundred million dollars and they get up to 40 of that, the lawyers.
00:38:40.000So it's good for them to keep this story alive and to keep these bankers and targets trembling.
00:38:48.000And then, of course, you have the House Democrats, and i'm sorry, but they do not give a Damn about justice or victims, or they only care about going after Donald Trump, and yet nothing has been found in there.
00:39:01.000That's why they've been pushing for it.
00:39:02.000The lawyers, if you look into it, the uh David Boys, etc., have admitted that they've been working with the House Democrats pro bono, and they've been helping orchestrate this entire smear campaign.
00:39:15.000And yet, what has been revealed is really disappointing for them because there isn't anything.
00:39:20.000There are, don't get me wrong, there are some fascinating things in there, some really interesting scandals and things that arise and connections that we didn't know about, but none of them are illegal.
00:39:32.000What you're seeing is guilt by association.
00:39:34.000They're looking for photographs of, and it's the way that they portray them.
00:39:39.000So, they get the media to put out the headline: a victim of Jeffrey Epstein was in the presence of Donald Trump.
00:39:48.000But then they admit intentionally, they redact the name of the victim.
00:39:53.000And yet, we know the victim was Virginia Jufray, and that Virginia Duffray had said, Well, no, I met Donald Trump, he was a gentleman, he did nothing wrong.
00:40:00.000So, they're weaponizing the Epstein files.
00:40:03.000They want to use it to keep the story alive, to confuse the hell out of the public, and to make money.
00:40:09.000And that is what most of this is about, making money.
00:40:12.000And from the politician side, it's about using this to keep the heat and the pressure on Donald Trump.
00:40:19.000And yet, they are really disappointed because they've not been able to find anything explosive, and they've definitely not been able to find anything damaging against the president whatsoever.
00:40:29.000So, I want to go through rapid fire name by name that have been implicated in this recent drop.
00:40:34.000And so, try we've got to keep our answers tight here because we're running low on time here and there's so much to go through.
00:40:39.000But just touch on the Pizzagate thing.
00:40:41.000They mentioned pizza, they mentioned so, so obviously, this thing makes us think back a few years.
00:40:46.000All the steak mentions a lot of people.
00:42:21.000Well, if you go back to the context and read it in there, he's actually joking when he mentions that cohem.
00:42:26.000I can't remember who it is now who asks him a question: Are there Jewish people there?
00:42:31.000No, she says something like, Oh, that will be a predominantly Jewish event.
00:42:34.000You know, it's like a dinner party or something.
00:42:36.000And he said, No, there'll be a lot of Goyam there.
00:42:38.000It's it's but it's tongue-in-cheek when you read his emails, and particularly the emails that he's had in exchange with this person before.
00:42:46.000They joke and banter a lot, so it is just a tongue-in-cheek comment.
00:42:51.000You know, it's not, there's nothing, you know, sort of like they're the master race, or, you know, there's no, there's nothing like that in there at all.
00:42:58.000Once again, it comes down to context and reading when you learn, spend years reading how Jeffrey Epstein talks, he did actually joke quite a lot.
00:45:17.000So Prince Andrew, you mentioned Prince Andrew.
00:45:22.000What did we learn and are learning about Prince Andrew?
00:45:25.000So a lot of what you're seeing now that these headlines are saying this new revelation has been found against Prince Andrew in the Epstein files.
00:45:42.000Like I say, going back to it with Prince Andrew, Virginia is the only person who has accused him.
00:45:47.000He was originally, she originally claimed she didn't have sex with him at all.
00:45:51.000Then she claimed that she had sex with him in New Mexico.
00:45:54.000Then she claimed a few other things and admitted that it was a complete lie.
00:45:58.000So I think that whilst he has made some, you know, made some mistakes in the past and has not helped himself with regards to this, he is innocent.
00:46:25.000But here we have, so the latest revelation that the headlines are going mad about is that a new woman has accused Prince Andrew.
00:46:34.000She said that when she was about 24, she met Prince Andrew.
00:46:38.000She slept with Prince Andrew, that the following morning, they woke up, had breakfast together, and he gave her a tour of Buckingham Palace, and then she said goodbye and left.
00:46:48.000Now, that's seen as a big scandal, but here we have a single divorcee supposedly sleeping, if it's true, with an adult woman of her own free will.
00:46:59.000And suddenly you've got the lawyer saying, you know, he must pay up more money to help her get over her trauma.
00:47:06.000I don't know what trauma, I think he should be invoicing her.
00:47:09.000You know, I had to pay for a tour of Buckingham Palace.
00:47:33.000I don't know about Bill Gates, but it's very damaging for his reputation.
00:47:37.000Not because he was associated with Jeffrey Epstein, but that I think that that one claim about him in the email from Jeffrey is going to stick with him and smear him for a long time.
00:47:48.000So there is something you told me about that I actually found surprising, and I think it gets lost in all the noise here.
00:47:55.000You know, my assumption was that Jeffrey Epstein was sleeping with all of these women.
00:48:52.000And that he would not have sexual intercourse with them.
00:48:56.000If you read the lawsuits themselves and read the testimonies, you'll see that 99% of the time he did not have sexual, like full sex with these people.
00:49:07.000He was a person who would get, that's why the massage table was there.
00:49:25.000I think people have it in their mind that it's, yeah, there were these girls around.
00:49:30.000would want to party with jeffrey epstein and you know they might have done other things but him particularly i i that was a revelation to me because i just was assuming it's interesting how the same thing has come to play with the harvey weinstein case that he also apparently had deformities down there that hinder a lot of the Well, we were talking about this earlier.
00:49:51.000There is a lot of psychology that's been into this.
00:49:54.000And some of the biggest people who have committed sexual assault or prolific in committing sexual assault, a very high portion of them have found to have had erectile dysfunction or some sort of deformity.
00:50:07.000And it internalizes their sexual frustration.
00:50:10.000And then they lash out on or try and do it other ways, or they're so sexually charged.
00:50:14.000And Jeffrey Epstein was the most sex-obsessed person I think I've ever read about and looked into.
00:50:20.000And yeah, yeah, that's not talked about, but it wasn't sex.
00:50:25.000He was into, you know, thing, but his main thing was self-pleasure because he couldn't get anyone else to bring him to that point of satisfaction.
00:50:36.000That's, I just, I know it's graphic and I apologize to our viewers.
00:50:41.000I think it's important, though, to get the truth.
00:50:43.000And the truth is, it's some sort of mix between the lies and the headlines.
00:50:49.000And I think, you know, it's interesting.
00:50:53.000We kind of end where we started that President Trump was probably proven right in a lot of it.
00:50:57.000I do not support the messaging necessarily.
00:53:28.000And one of the things we got from all these documents was we got into what that U.S. attorney said when he was asked about it in the first Trump administration.
00:53:36.000He said, no, I actually never said that.
00:53:38.000So it's not nearly as ironclad that that was true.
00:53:41.000And I guess what I liked with all of this is it let us pause and say, what do we actually know stone cold for a fact versus what is stuff where innuendo has greatly outrun what you can see in hardware?
00:53:58.000Well, I would say, and honestly, as a journalist, I lost my job for covering this and for putting out this, you know, looking at the other side of the story.
00:54:06.000But I would say I became very disillusioned with the media.
00:54:10.000So when we say what is established, I would say start at the beginning with a fresh mind.
00:54:15.000My book, Naked Lies, is coming out soon, and that contains a lot.
00:54:18.000But let's just look at how the media are reporting on just very basic things.
00:54:23.000If you were to Google right now, you will find out that there's a viral claim that Jeffrey Epstein had a baby and that Sarah Ferguson emailed him to congratulate him.
00:54:33.000And the BBC, which is a very trustworthy organization, supposedly out.
00:54:39.000Yeah, I don't believe that, but it's considered, considered to be.
00:54:43.000And yet I proved that actually Sarah Ferguson wasn't congratulating Epstein at all.
00:54:49.000That email is to one of Jeffrey Epstein's friends, and then he forwards it on to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:54:55.000In other words, look what Sarah Ferguson has said to me.
00:54:58.000I've located the mother, I've located the father, and I've the identity of the child and even the baby scan.
00:55:07.000And yet the BBC have acknowledged that it's not accurate and they haven't corrected it.
00:55:12.000And so if that's just one thing from just yesterday, we've had nearly 20 years of this case and the media dominating the narrative.
00:55:21.000And I promise you, there are thousands of examples that I could pull up that show that what 99% of what you think you know about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal is a lie.
00:55:33.000So I have a question related to, again, so I still think, I'll just be honest, I'm still sort of convinced that he was either, you know, in cahoots with the CIA or, you know, working, working on behalf.
00:55:46.000Because I just do think that, you know, Israel, you've got these, you know, Jewish Americans, Jewish, there's French Jews, there's UK Jews that, you know, they feel a kindred spirit with the homeland.
00:55:59.000I have zero problem with that necessarily.
00:56:01.000Jay, my idea on that, which I've shared with a few people, and I want to hear your take.
00:56:06.000I've had the thought, what if Jeffrey Epstein insinuated himself with Ehud Barak and others because he himself believed in sort of the myth of Mossad and he thought maybe this would protect me in some way, like almost get it backwards.
00:57:07.000Yeah, I think your point was well made earlier, though.
00:57:09.000It's like, why would he have to be, you know, connected with Mossad when he could just go over the top of the intel and go straight to, you know, to sort of influence world events?
00:57:17.000And he was a very curious person, very gregarious, interesting, apparently, to be around.
00:57:23.000So, so, I, but I do have more questions here.
00:57:26.000So, when he gets arrested in 2007, 2008 timeframe, he basically gets put on like the most cush house arrest imaginable.
00:57:35.000Again, that's just one of these clues where I'm like, who's looking out for him?
00:57:50.000We've got him that he had a sexual encounter with multiple underage girls.
00:57:55.000But then, what happened was they interviewed the girls and you can read all of their testimonies.
00:58:02.000Under oath, they admitted that they'd lied about their ages.
00:58:05.000The focus shifted originally onto Sarah Kellen, one of his assistants, but she was found to have asked about their ages and said, make sure they're over 18 to Virginia and Haley Robson.
00:58:16.000And then the focus shifted back onto Epstein, but his lawyers did a very good job.
00:58:22.000Alan Dershowitz was one of them in pointing out the fact that, well, he's taken a lie detector test.
00:58:29.000It's proven that there are mitigating factors.
00:58:39.000I mean, if you, if you're paying soliciting for sex and these girls were getting cars, college tuition, I mean, they were getting that's illegal, right?
00:58:48.000Okay, so, so, yeah, yeah, but so I mean, I don't definitely, I mean, that's okay.
00:58:52.000So, Alan Dershowitz is a good lawyer is the explanation, basically.
00:58:55.000Not that, not that there were mitigating factors in that, you know, this wasn't just a first they thought, right, we've got a paedophile here who has targeted young girls.
00:59:06.000That is very easy to send him into prison for a long time.
00:59:10.000Then, when they realized that actually, no, he didn't target young girls, he didn't say, you know, I want to find some under 18s.
00:59:18.000When that was established, that's when there were mitigating factors.
00:59:21.000And the crime, although serious still, it was enough to get him a reduced sentence and to sort of give his defense ammunition to get a lesser charge.
00:59:52.000See, I've interviewed most of the so-called victims in all of the elder, the women who were overage at the time that they met Jeffrey Epstein, went to the island, etc., had their cars and apartments paid for them, are documented as asking to go back to the island.
01:00:09.000Every single one of them has told me that they didn't see Gillene do anything wrong.
01:00:14.000And two of them have previously told the press that Gillen was part of this massive sex trafficking operation.
01:00:20.000During her trial, they wrote in victim impact statements, Gillene destroyed my life, that she was the madam, she was running all of this.
01:00:28.000And yet, when I've interviewed them after the fact, they've admitted to me, when one of them went crazy when she realized she'd slipped up, that she never once saw Gillene Maxwell recruit anyone, groom anyone, or abuse anyone.
01:00:43.000So the police, when Jeffrey Epstein died, not the police, sorry, the authorities, they were hugely humiliated and prosecutors, et cetera.
01:00:50.000They had to get nail someone in her place, in his place.
01:00:54.000They had to find someone else for the public to drag onto the pyre and burn as a witch and this massive witch hunt.
01:01:02.000And they couldn't go after Virginia or the people who had actually recruited these girls.
01:01:08.000They couldn't go after Sarah Kellen and some of his assistants who are proven to have arranged and organized the massages because they weren't big names and nobody knew who they were.
01:01:18.000But here you had Ghillenne Maxwell, a famous name, a socialite, known practically around the world.
01:01:26.000And she fit the bill, former, former girlfriend of his, and she was perfect.
01:01:30.000If you look into the actual timeline, you'll see that Gillene is more or less a blip to some extent in Jeffrey Epstein's life.
01:01:38.000And she was absent completely through a lot of the period, quite a large chunk of the period when some of these victims say that they were abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
01:02:11.000Do you think she's guilty of some wrongdoing?
01:02:15.000I originally honestly, and I get slated for this, but I originally went into this believing that everyone was telling the truth and that Ghillenne Maxwell must have been guilty and must have known.
01:02:27.000But the evidence that I've unearthed, all the evidence that's already in existence and anyone can examine it, you know, the other stuff.
01:02:35.000And people, if they went and read some of the stuff on my substack, they will see that I don't defend her.
01:02:41.000I just say the evidence shows that she did not commit the crime.
01:02:55.000I think she's quite, you know, her family, if they were listening, wouldn't like me saying this, but I think she was quite sexually active and flirtatious.
01:03:03.000But there's no evidence to say that she had a sexual relationship with Bill Clinton.
01:03:08.000Didn't she reference his private areas?
01:06:15.000There is no evidence whatsoever to show that he did anything wrong.
01:06:19.000In fact, if you read through the Epstein files and all of the evidence that's come before this, you'll see that his part in all of this is very minor and that he wasn't as close to Jeffrey Epstein as anybody assumes.
01:06:32.000So he did, after Jeffrey Epstein's conviction, Jeffrey Epstein was naturally a great person to interview.
01:06:39.000That's a scoop to get to get hold of him.
01:06:41.000Jeffrey Epstein at the same time wanted to exploit that because he wanted to reinvent his image and try and correct some of the negative publicity that was being naturally and understandably directed at him.
01:08:28.000He didn't have anything against Donald Trump to release.
01:08:31.000He was trying to find other ways, desperately scraping the barrel, just like the lawyers and the journalists are doing now, to attack Donald Trump.
01:08:41.000Well, and I've also heard the theory floated that Steve was also doing some counterintelligence to see if there was what the attack vectors could be.
01:09:03.000So if you head over to my sub stack, I think it's at JayBeecher or go to the rebeljournalist.com and you can subscribe to me there.
01:09:12.000It's riddled with exclusive interviews with most of the key players, with Donald Trump's lawyer, with the Maxwell family, with the accused and the accusers.
01:09:22.000And my book, Naked Lies, is going to be covering my six-year investigation.
01:09:27.000And there are some really, there's some evidence that I've had to hold back for the book.
01:09:31.000So there's some really explosive things that when the book comes out, it's going to, there's going to be a mini earthquake, I think, in this.
01:09:39.000It'll make some headlines and change some minds as well.
01:09:44.000So it should be coming out at the end of this month, at the very latest at the first week of next month.
01:09:50.000But it's looking to be the end of this month.