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00:01:42I think there are plausibly four different storylines that could be workable, that could explain bits and pieces of what's actually going on, right?
00:01:52He could just be a former nerd turned tech mogul, $100 billion net worth cheater who went outside of his marriage multiple times, or he could be a shell for the Chinese party.
00:02:08He could just be greedy, could be a combination of the three.0.56
00:02:15Or OpenAI, which have closed models, wanted to take advantage of his infidelity and use this to hurt NVIDIA because Jensen Wong was an advocate for OpenAI systems.
00:02:29But there's so much more coming out today.
00:02:31Now, this is an interesting story from CNN.
00:02:37CNN says, US Intel, this by the way, 139, US Intel isn't sure if businesswoman spied on NVIDIA for China doesn't mean she wasn't a risk, sources say.
00:02:51So, what does this piece actually tell us from CNN?
00:02:55And I want to caution everybody looking at this because while I do think some of the reporting is accurate, Natasha Bertrand, who is the one that David Sachs quote tweeted here, was also the reporter when she was working for Politico that did the Hunter Biden laptop could be Russian disinfo story.
00:03:33So there's multiple journalists on here, which may lend some credibility or not, depending on how you feel about CNN.
00:03:41But this is what it basically says the Attorney General says no conclusions reached on if this Chinese woman that Jensen Huang was having an affair with was a Chinese spy.
00:04:16Anonymous officials tell CNN, It strains credulity to believe that she was not acting as an agent of the Chinese government simply by virtue of the fact that she is a successful Chinese businesswoman working with one of America's most powerful companies.
00:04:39Now, there are other reasons that make sense, and I'll have Blake detail these in just a second, that make sense why Jensen would be fired, anyways, right?
00:04:48Because some of this stuff is just too messy.
00:04:51But the other storyline that's very interesting here is why, if Mega Speed has been on the U.S. Department of Commerce's radar, the CIA's radar, State Department's radar since 2024, Why was this deal allowed to proceed?
00:05:09Now, everybody is now talking about Howard Lutnick.
00:05:13So, this pretty juicy piece of tape came out this morning.
00:05:20Scott Besant went on CNBC to talk about this, and you could read between the lines what is not stated.
00:05:27You could see that Scott Besant, who is not afraid of getting into fights with people, by the way, the guy can be a rabble rouser, but I mean, I'm a big fan.
00:06:13So now put some of these other headlines together.
00:06:17So you can see that Scott Besant is pretty frustrated.
00:06:21He's been on this Mega Speed thing because, regardless of whether or not she was a spy, it's clear that Mega Speed was a cutout that was using either companies in Southeast Asia to set up compute that was routing that to China, circumventing export laws.
00:06:37Maybe they were getting it to companies inside China, these NVIDIA chips.
00:08:42That she was running a company that was under incredible scrutiny from the U.S. government.
00:08:48That all other aspects of the Trump administration seemed to want to really look into it, put the screws to this company to make sure they weren't circumventing export laws on these chips.
00:08:58And Howard Lutnick, Jensen Wong's best friend inside the admin, was slow walking it.
00:09:05There's only 30 seconds here, Blake, but there's a lot to unpack there.
00:09:08Yeah, no, we'll have to definitely dissect this a bit more because we should explain to them.
00:09:13Like, this sounds like Silicon Valley inside baseball, but this is actually, this could be a story more important than the midterm result, actually.
00:09:21And I think the midterm result is overshadowing it to some extent.
00:10:54And this is also an interesting story because since he's been driven out, the battle lines are drawing a little differently.
00:11:01This is not a normal story that maps onto Democrats believe one thing, Republicans believe another thing.
00:11:07There's aspects where there's China hawks and then there's pro AI people, anti AI people, there's Silicon Valley people who are really worried about.
00:11:18Huang is basically a victim of maybe 2020 era peak woke stuff that they appointed, they have members of their board who are basically diversity appointments.
00:11:28They appointed a bunch of women and a black guy circa 2020 when all of that was rising.
00:11:33And maybe those people voted to push Huang out.
00:11:36And you were reading off that list from David Sachs.
00:11:38So David Sachs was, I believe, head of the president's AI task force early in the administration.
00:12:13There's a guy on X who pointed out Dmitry Alparovich, and he says that whether Jensen Huang slept with a Chinese asset is actually a tertiary issue, in his words.
00:12:23I wouldn't go that far, but it's not the only thing that matters.
00:12:27What we have is we have the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in the world.
00:12:31He is in a secret sexual relationship with a very large customer of his company who, no matter what, whether she's a spy or not, she is absolutely using a shell company to get billions of dollars of the most advanced chips in the world and export them either to China indirectly or to countries.
00:12:52There are entire countries like Malaysia where they're just building massive data centers so that they can.
00:12:59Supply the computational power to Chinese companies.
00:13:02It'd be like if we just started to build all of our data centers in Belize or something, which we might be doing after that Democrat win.0.53
00:13:08And so, this is a woman, even if she's not a spy, she's helping get around US export controls.
00:13:14She's getting around Chinese government controls.
00:13:17So, the most powerful, one of the most powerful CEOs in the world basically is helping evade regulations of the United States and China.
00:13:26And he lied about it, and he lied about it to his board, and they may have had to.
00:13:31He may have literally had, this guy points out, he may have had his general counsel interfere in an investigation by the U.S. government because he was hiding an affair.0.91
00:13:40He was vulnerable to blackmail by the Chinese if this were to be discovered, even if they weren't the ones honeypotting him.0.85
00:14:34And I, you know, Two things that I've thought of that have kind of changed the way I think about this as the story has unfolded is that China should be further behind America than six months.
00:14:46And the fact that we keep, you know, messing around with these chips, sending them over.
00:14:52And by the way, Howard Lutnick, I think genuinely, I'm not coming to any conclusions here, but does have a lot to answer for here.
00:14:59He does need to answer for why he was either incompetent or he had a different opinion than apparently the rest of the government, and we weren't.
00:15:08Being very, very careful with these chips, and we were allowing companies like MegaSpeed to circumvent our export controls.
00:16:34And there's just a lot of clips that I've been watching of him where he's very, very aggressive, which you would expect from a CEO, but easy to set off.
00:17:41Yeah, I think they should find the best engineer at NVIDIA and give this man, like, godlike powers, which he may have with AI soon.
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00:18:56So, Mike, and thank you for making the time.
00:18:58I know you're extremely busy because I talked to you this morning.
00:19:01There is, I can only imagine this race against the clock has everybody in communities like yours, the legal minds of our nation on the conservative side, really, really hunkering in and digging in to get as many of these judges confirmed as possible.
00:19:17Give us the lay of the land, the stakes, what we're trying to accomplish in the next like seven weeks.
00:19:23Yeah, I put out a FoxNews.com opinion piece on this.
00:19:26There are 23 pending federal judicial nominees.
00:19:30Those are, that includes four circuit courts, the federal.
00:19:55My former boss, Chuck Grassley, the outgoing Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, has these judicial nominees lined up.
00:20:04We just need Senate Republicans to end their French work weeks and actually stay in session and get these judges confirmed because these are lifetime appointed judges.
00:20:17If we do not fill these slots before, Christmas, that means the Democrats are going to block these nominees, these slots for the next two years, and we could lose these crucial judicial slots to Democrats.
00:20:30Do you want President AOC filling these or President Trump?
00:21:02But to your point, what the Republicans are going to approve is by far and away better than what anything the Democrats would allow to happen in the next two years, all right?0.94
00:21:11So what is with these French work weeks?0.50
00:21:26I always said when I was working on the judicial nominations for Grassley 10 years ago, or whatever the heck it was before they chased me out of there, I always said, all you have to do is merely threaten to make these senators work past 2 p.m. on Thursday.
00:21:41And it's amazing how much you can get done.
00:21:43I mean, this is the most elite nursing home in the world.
00:21:46These people work two and a half days a week, and then they go take their four and a half day weekends.
00:22:04There's going to be a big vote, it's called en bloc, but there's going to be a big vote sometime in December to get all of those executive branch nominees confirmed.
00:22:12But that's the key that the key is that time is valuable.
00:22:17We have limited time left before Democrats take over the Senate.
00:22:21There is a very good shot Democrats will keep the Senate for at least the next six years.
00:22:26This is our final opportunity to get these judicial.
00:22:31Nominees confirmed, and that means the senators are going to have to work longer than their French work weeks.
00:22:39The law resistance cannot resist long weekends, as Grassley used to say.
00:22:43We need to force these votes and do everything it takes.
00:22:48And we, at the Article 3 Project, we have a phone to action for your viewers, your listeners, so they can light up both of their home state senators.
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00:23:04To both of your home state senators, telling them to confirm all these pending judicial nominees.
00:23:36Okay, guys, we're going to be out of power for probably at least two cycles.
00:23:41Democrats, I mean, they're whole hog on like, we're going to abolish the filibuster, trample everything.
00:23:46Can they just basically say, you know, we're rewriting the rules?
00:23:49We're going to vote on every single one of President Trump's nominees, up or down right now, giant package deal, and you can have it done in an afternoon.
00:23:56They don't have the, well, I don't want to curse on your show.
00:24:00They don't have the courage to do that, unfortunately, among Senate Republicans.
00:24:04Remember, these are the same Senate Republicans who could not pass the Save America Act with voter ID, proof of citizenship, with the support of 80% of Americans, including a supermajority of Democrats.0.97
00:24:17And a supermajority of black people who Democrats pretend are too dumb to get an ID like everyone else, right?0.98
00:24:23When in reality, they want to get their illegal aliens to illegally vote.1.00
00:24:27I mean, it's Republicans need to show some backbone here.
00:24:31This is why, in big part, why they lost the Senate and lost it so badly is because they didn't deliver for their voters.
00:25:29There's this story out of one of these judges out of Texas was, you know, basically hastily added to the list when they realized Tal Rico was going to be elected here and he hasn't gone through the normal vetting process.
00:26:15He has been nominated for a Texas district court slot.
00:26:19And look, I would just say this to Senator Cornyn, who's leaving.
00:26:22I get that someone like Elliot Geiser is not your.
00:26:27First pick, but the other option is that the Democrats block this vacancy and then they fill it with the Democrat the next time the Democrats win.
00:26:53I tried to get rid of the blue slips when I was there.0.85
00:26:54I broke every piece of china in the Senate when I was there, but the The most precious China in the Senate, apparently, are these blue slips.0.99
00:27:02And that's where the home state senators get to hand select the U.S. attorney who would prosecute them, the U.S. district court judge who would oversee their corruption trial, and the U.S. marshal who would escort them to prison.0.98
00:27:13And I'll just tell you look, I got rid of blue slips, or I had Grassley get rid of blue slips, advise Grassley to get rid of blue slips for circuit court nominees.
00:27:25If you just say, okay, John Cornyn, we're going to ignore you, we're just going to run you over on the blue slip, John Cornyn's on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:28:10Like inside baseball, that Cornyn is saying, Hey, I'll vote for this guy, but not that guy that we could live with, or is or do we?
00:28:16Yeah, yeah, I mean, they need to work out a deal.
00:28:19Cornyn, look, I get that he wasn't happy he got primed by Paxton, and you know, I get it, uh, but I think this is bigger with a judicial vacancy, a lifetime appointed judicial vacancy.
00:28:29This is he's I like John Cornyn, I worked with him, he's a good guy.
00:28:32I think he's going to come around and come to the right place on this because he knows these judicial slots are so important and we can't lose them to Democrats.
00:28:40From your lips to God's ears, I hope he, I hope you're right about that.
00:28:43Um, It'd be a better way to go out than the last taste that is currently in most of our mouths.
00:28:51According to a memo from the Chief of Staff's office, first obtained by Politico, White House staff must now receive a prior approval from the Office of White House Counsel if they are going to meet with a lobbyist.
00:30:31He's like, like they said in that story, he's fiercely loyal to President Trump.
00:30:35He's been with President Trump for many, many, many years, including in the dark years where people abandoned President Trump on the side of the road.
00:30:45He is driven by policy, he's driven by his conservative thought.
00:30:56He's great on our national sovereignty, which is the most crucial issue who comes and goes to America, who we the people invite to come, and who we tell to go, and who becomes one of us, right?
00:31:10And that's our most crucial sovereign power as we, the people, the sovereign citizens of America.
00:31:29I mean, so Stephen Miller, just, you know, and I'm not trying to make this anti anybody, but it was just as soon as Stephen got appointed chief of staff, you just could feel, again, we have this credibility issue.
00:31:43President Trump has had the most amount of credibility with the base I've ever seen in a politician ever.
00:31:52And as soon as Stephen gets back in place, you just, you could feel people are like, oh, this is going to be a big loss, and then people are very worried, oh, it's going to be, you know, meltdown.
00:32:03Throw all the deck chairs off the Titanic and then jump in.
00:32:06And instead, we got something that made us excited, and we needed something that would make us excited last year.
00:32:10I have a question on the legal grounds here on something.
00:32:13And it's okay if you don't know, because this is going to get into some pretty deep legal waters.
00:32:17But there's been a lot of people talking about oh, even President Trump said the raids were too tough.
00:32:23That hurt us in the election because, you know, the Pretty and the Renee Good thing.
00:32:29So, kind of a lot of people have been talking about, well, why don't we go after the businesses?
00:32:33Why don't we make some examples out of some of these groups that are hiring a bunch of illegals?0.80
00:32:37And why don't we cut off their bank accounts and their financial system, their access, so that they will self deport?0.99
00:32:43Legally, what do you think the challenges to doing something like this would be?
00:32:47And what are the roadblocks the Democrats are going to throw up?
00:32:50Remember, when you provide financial assistance to an illegal alien, that is harboring an illegal alien, which is a federal felony, right?
00:32:58So I think we need to ramp up criminal enforcement against these companies that knowingly hire.
00:33:05Illegal aliens and these sanctuary cities and states that coddle these illegal aliens.
00:33:12I think we should start charging these Democrat politicians with harboring illegal aliens.
00:33:18Well, so you think it's fully within the law for President Trump to sign an executive order about the banking system saying if you are knowingly banking and providing bank accounts, financial assistance to an illegal alien, that has to stop, and here's an enforcement mechanism.
00:34:25Democrats have broad oversight power under Article I of the Constitution, but it has to have a legislative purpose, according to clear Supreme Court precedent, including a case from 2020.
00:34:39You can't just have Partisan fishing expeditions.
00:34:42You can't use a congressional investigation to do a criminal investigation or work with federal or state or local prosecutors to build a case, a federal criminal case.
00:34:52That would violate Article I of the Constitution.
00:34:56That's beyond Congress's Article I oversight power.
00:35:00Again, it has to have a legislative purpose, meaning they're doing an investigation to pass legislation, to amend legislation, but it can't just be we're going to go after our political enemies.
00:35:11And if you do that, if Congress oversteps its Article I power and harasses people for their political views, that can violate federal criminal statutes, including the one we talk about on the show quite a bit, 18 U.S.C. Section 241, which is conspiracy against rights, and 18 U.S.C. Section 242, which is deprivation of rights under color of law.
00:35:35If you have government officials conspiring amongst themselves or with others to violate someone's constitutional rights, including their First Amendment right to speak, To associate, to have political views, then you could be criminally charged under our federal criminal statutes.
00:35:53And we've already seen the animus from the Democrats.
00:35:56You saw like Alyssa Slotkin for, go ahead.
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00:39:11He voted third party this year, not for Biggs, even though he's right wing, mainly on AI.
00:39:17I'm not sure totally what Biggs' position is.
00:39:19From what he said, it sounded like it was pretty open.
00:39:23And this kind of opened me up to a broader question of just what do we do on these issues where I feel like Trump's messaging has just been awful on AI, the economy?
00:39:33I mean, AI is like a really big one for people.
00:39:35And it just feels like he's just like, oh, yeah, we should just call it super intelligence and let it do whatever it wants.
00:39:43What was your friend's particular position on AI that he was so concerned about it?
00:39:52Well, his main thing with Biggs was he was, I don't know if it's true or not.
00:39:55He said that the water they run through the AI data centers can't be recycled.
00:40:46Said he wanted data centers basically, so I'm assuming that's what it was.
00:40:50Um, you know, but I would say we talk a lot about that TSMC plant that's going to build super advanced microchips here in Arizona.
00:40:58We want to build those chips in large part so they can go into data centers, into building out AI, as well as building technically advanced stuff.
00:41:06Yeah, there's everything data centers relate to that, so like those have a symbiosis with each other.
00:41:10So, here's what's interesting about data centers.
00:41:12Yeah, Blake's point on the water, I don't think it is a very strong argument, but there's a lot of people that are concerned about it.
00:41:18But what's interesting is they were upside down by 41 points in this midterm.
00:41:24But then, if you said that the revenue that they generate and the power that they generate would be used to offset your property taxes, so you pay less in property taxes, and it would be used to offset your utility bills, then guess what?
00:42:22Because it's funded by that Chinese billionaire or that American billionaire who's in China, promotes Chinese interests.
00:42:29Like, that's an argument we've been making a lot of the anti data center stuff is clearly like it is, it is literally suborned by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:42:38Because whether you might agree with them, you might dislike AI, but China does badly want to win the AI race and they do want to undercut our own AI efforts.
00:42:47Once we have this clip loaded, it's so important.0.72
00:43:00A member from the Party for Socialism and Liberation reached out to me to ask if I wanted to create a reel for them to put on their social media.
00:43:09We already have higher rates for different asthma conditions and bronchitis and other things that are caused by environmental factors and pollution.
00:43:16So why would you want to exacerbate that situation?
00:43:20We posted the real like early September and then within like a week or so, I want to say we got to 20,000 signatures and we were able to get the county to put a moratorium in place after attending a qualified data center task force meeting in like mass and having a rally at that meeting.
00:43:38So it just kind of has taken off like wildfire since then.
00:43:41You know, and in a later interview or another one, they asked her, like, what reward do you want for stopping this valuable development?
00:43:49And she says, like, I would love it if people gave me money to fix my roof.
00:43:53And, like, that's it's this is a challenging argument.
00:43:55A lot of people are very wary of data centers and development generally, but we do need to fight for America as a country that builds things, creates things, as this dynamo of energy.
00:44:08Like, if you had today's NIMBYs around, they would have never.0.94
00:44:13They would have never built the pipelines.
00:44:21We've got to fight to be a country that is dynamic, that builds things.
00:44:25But here's the thing I think, listen, we have to also confront the political reality of these, and that is that they're unpopular currently.
00:44:31So you have to sell the message that we're going to use dilapidated old malls.
00:44:36We're going to build on ground that is essentially not that valuable, not that beloved.
00:44:41You've got to make them, I think, more beautiful rather than just a big box.
00:44:44I think you need to tell the community how this is going to benefit them.
00:44:48And then, if you can get it over the finish line, good on you.
00:44:52But I don't think we should just be, you know, my problem is that they build these things out in like beautiful rural communities because the land's cheaper there.
00:45:04So, and then, just to be very clear, you know, people like Elon Musk say that, you know, in the future, 99% of compute is going to be space based.
00:45:13Whether he can accomplish that or not, I wouldn't bet against Elon Musk.
00:45:16So maybe that will sort of resolve some of this issue.
00:45:19But I definitely think that you have to be pro growth.
00:45:21Remember that the left is a party of malaise, fundamentally.
00:45:25They remove the incentives for people to produce, to take risks, to be rewarded for their risks.
00:45:32And it is a huge, huge problem that the Democrats, you're going to have a lot of buyer's remorse with some of these Democrats, especially in these states like Arizona, they got the trifecta where the state legislatures are now Democrat as well.
00:45:45And you have a Democrat governor, you're going to get buyer's remorse because these people do not know how to run anything.
00:45:49People flee blue states for red states because they're better run.
00:45:52There's more economic opportunity, more freedom.
00:45:55And so, yes, I understand your friend gave into some of this messaging.
00:45:59I think if you do it the right way, there is a way forward.
00:46:02But yeah, President Trump could message better on this.
00:46:04Democrats probably make better classical music, but Republicans make better cities.
00:47:03When you have a loss that big, everybody needs to look in the mirror, including the work we do at Turning Point Action.
00:47:07But I will tell you, some of the data that's coming in is really impressive.
00:47:10So when you have a state like Texas, which went crazy blue, crazy blue, red Texas goes crazy blue, we still got, you're seeing D plus 12, D plus 15, D plus 20 swings.
00:49:06So, my question is I was wondering if you guys knew much about the campaign the Democrats used in order to get social media people to get their friends to talk about this affordability crisis.
00:49:21Yes, you're talking about the Van Jones clip?
00:50:44So, I would just say, I think really he's just demonstrating good politics, which is Democrats, they are really exploiting the value of social media that everyone is getting their news not through centralized nodes, not through the television, not through the newspaper.
00:51:02They're getting it through stuff that is popping up on their Instagram feed, on their TikTok feed.
00:51:06And they're going to trust people they regard as those like themselves.
00:51:11And so, Democrats say, we might as well inject our talking points into that.
00:51:15Yeah, you can say they don't have a plan, and I don't think they have a good plan.
00:51:19I think they imagine they have a plan, and they're thinking, let's get ordinary people out there repeating it.0.92
00:51:24And there's a dumber version of that, which is we were talking about to Ryan Gurdusky.
00:51:30What seems to seriously hurt us is what I think John Doyle calls them Instagram Reels Americans, which is in that same feed, they're not just seeing affordability stuff.0.99
00:51:38They're seeing Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein ate John Benet Ramsey, and Trump is a pedophile.0.78
00:51:44And they're getting that stuff too, all through the social media feed.0.76
00:51:48This is one of the reasons who controls big tech matters a lot because the left would love to have it where your feed is endless propaganda of left wing attitudes and nothing can push against that because that'll be misinformation or hate speech or what have you.
00:52:02This is why, when you're reading the tea leaves and you see the head of Palantir now saying, Adam is a Democrat now.
00:52:10And you see Peter Thiel leaving the country for Argentina, sometimes you can read the tea leaves of where these tech guys think that the future is going.
00:52:19And right now, the signs are not positive for us.
00:52:21And so, we are in a position where we very much could alienate the tech guys and really lose some of the freedoms that we've enjoyed over the last couple of years.
00:52:35Glenn Beck did a bit of a deep dive in this, and he said that this whole operation was run by Heather Booth, a veteran DNC operative who's trained over 25,000 community activists.
00:52:47And it worked with a smorgasbord, he says, of leftist groups Move On, SEIU, the Teachers Union, the House Democrat Campaign Committee, and many more.
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00:56:04This is my first time calling in, so I'm a little nervous.
00:56:09But I think the question I had originally was what is the strategy for uniting the divided right as individuals on the ground daily?
00:56:18You mean since you're just for normal folks out there, what's your strategy for having conversations that could unite your friends, for example?
00:56:32I mean, it's a tough question because it's like if we could just unite the right, well, I mean, divisions on the right were a big source of what just happened to us.
00:56:41And there's a lot of people who, there are a lot of people who sow division because it does get a lot of engagement, it gets a lot of clicks.
00:56:50Gets a lot of tweets, gets a lot of money, ultimately, a lot of views.
00:56:54It's sort of, I saw someone remarked the other day that the old problem used to be the dynamic people noticed was there was a little bit of an incentive mismatch because the right wing media could get higher ratings when a Democrat was in power because you can egg on the outrage machine.
00:57:09And the left saw the same thing that Washington Post and New York Times subscriptions and CNN viewership blew up during Trump and then crashed during Biden because the outrage fuels things.
00:57:18And someone said the way some people figured this out on the right is.
00:57:21Why don't we just start screaming that the Trump administration betrayed us as soon as they're in power?
00:57:25And then everyone can be outraged all the time.
00:57:31Well, so, yeah, I mean, here's the thing there are legitimate wedge issues that emerged, the Iran war being one of them, Epstein being another one of them.
00:57:40And hopefully, you know, some of that just comes down to policy decisions at the top.
00:57:46Are you making policy decisions that unite the base or do they exacerbate these wedge issues?
00:57:52Now, you know, that was what made Charlie such an invaluable piece.
00:57:56Of sort of the outside apparatus within the Trump administration, because he could sort of say, Hey, this issue is going to be a big issue.
00:58:05I'm hearing it from our listeners on this show.
00:58:08And that feedback loop is critically important so that the admin is making good decisions that don't exacerbate those.
00:58:15I mean, a good way to build unity in the next two years is just don't have it help the administration avoid making, say it as it is, self inflicted blunders that are really very different from what.
00:58:28The people who turned out in 2024 felt they were voting for.
00:58:31If you want to keep the right wing coalition together, there's a couple things that really were, I think, broadcasts of the world had become bigger problems than a lot of people wanted to admit that they were.
00:58:43One is this notion that there's corruption at the highest levels.
00:58:46So that's why a lot of people, I mean, Steven Crowder, Jeremy Carl, a lot of people on the right right now are looking at this NVIDIA thing because, you know, we want to know was there corruption at commerce?
00:59:09This is why I think Stephen Miller is such a critical, critical new piece of the last two years of the Trump administration being elevated to chief of staff because K Street can't buy him off.
01:00:32I guess it does answer my question, but I did also have a follow up.
01:00:35I know you guys have obviously been dealing with a lot of divisiveness in general, and I guess just to put things to bed, I wanted to ask you, Andrew, what exactly did Keith Rose tell you?
01:00:48And if we could kind of get through that question, because I feel like that would make people that are still unsure of what happened very clear and unite people truly.
01:02:44We talked to Will Chamberlain, a guy who defended the war at the outset and repeatedly in the months since.
01:02:50And he just said, you can't insist on this in the face of massive popular discontent over it.
01:02:57And I think we just have to make the war go away.0.78
01:03:01And by 2028, it will not be a huge issue if we're not still bombing Iran.0.92
01:03:05If gas prices are back to $3 a gallon instead of $4.50 or $5 or more, depending on your state, if you can make it recede, it's just not going to be this dominant issue anymore.0.95
01:04:42When the MOU was the headline in the news, look at the popularity surge back up because people thought, hey, we're going to get done with this Iran thing and have it behind us.
01:04:58The trick is how do you do it in a way that doesn't tell the neocons I hate Israel because I don't think JD Vance hates Israel?
01:05:06And how do you do it in such a way that tells this far right, very loud and noisy contingent online that, hey, I'm also not beholden to them?
01:05:13And I think that's a center cut issue that's 60, 70% positive, pieces positive, and popular.
01:05:19And you're going to have to, to some extent, bully a few people because there are people in both of those camps who are, for lack of a better term, extremists.
01:05:47Embodies that sort of, like I say, center cut mass really well.
01:05:51But you got to bully them in the beginning of the election.
01:05:53There is an ongoing war right now in the conservative movement.
01:05:56We talked about the last caller talking about unity with the neocons.
01:06:00And I think we have to, the non neocon contingent of side of the party, which is what I would be, has to win that debate.
01:06:07We have to because neocons will destroy the party.
01:06:09It will destroy any chance of winning national office in the future if they win.
01:06:15They're very loud and they're very aggressive.
01:06:17And there's a lot of smart people in there, but it's not wise.
01:06:21Because Blake made the point, it's not wise because our country is simply too divided right now to wage much of any kind of conflict anywhere.0.71
01:07:19I guess I'm Gen X, and I'm a bit confused about this whole accelerationist movement that seemed to happen on Tuesday because I'm a bit apoplectic over this whole thing.
01:07:28I had to knock on doors for John McCain and suck it up and do it.
01:07:32because I knew the other side was crazy and I did what I had to do to try to hold the line and keep this country going forward.
01:07:39We had some better candidates that could have maybe potentially voted out John Thune.
01:07:46Democrats burned down the Palisades in California.
01:07:49They're completely incompetent and still they all voted for Democrats.0.59
01:07:53Minnesota had over $9 billion in documented fraud that they were complicit with and still Democrats voted for Democrats.0.83
01:09:54They mostly just consume national politics.
01:09:57That being said, we saw a little bit of this in Michigan and Minnesota where you did have Democrats defecting a little bit because there were some local issues there.
01:10:07But yeah, to Blake's point, everything was just a national issue.
01:10:09It was a This was a referendum against national issues.
01:10:13We need to win on national issues just so we can have the chance to fix local issues.
01:11:00Sort of in a transparent moment, you know, we've been approached by all these different groups, all the prediction markets, and it's something that we have not done because, you know, and same with the sports gambling.
01:11:11I think we dabbled in it when Charlie was here, and then we kind of made a decision like, probably not the right look for young people because of the addiction issues and things like that.
01:11:20But there are a lot of problems with this, with these markets.
01:11:23Now, I think you could engage with them in a really good way.
01:11:26The problem is, you know, we talk about this with lawfare.
01:11:33And you could actually, there's people that could game these from the inside and make money off them and actually affect things in a really bad way.
01:11:40So I think what we actually need to do is there's definitely been signs of some corruption that people have trafficked in knowing what is happening behind the scenes.
01:11:49And I saw in your written version, you're wondering could people manipulate elections?
01:12:30But they are a good way to read the tea leaves.
01:12:33Am I kind of thinking a little bit too far, thinking that Kal Sheik could play some type of Into affecting how some of these elections came out?
01:12:46I would say the scariest way you can have things happen is where someone who has the power to influence events has an incentive to throw things or do things they would not normally do because it's an unlikely outcome on a market.
01:13:00And so, I mean, if you want an extreme case, a guy is running a Republican campaign in a really red district, but he can bet entirely on the Democrat winning and then sabotage his candidate, which, I mean, in the most extreme case, you could just be like, I'm going to go on TV and say the N word and then they'll lose.
01:13:30How would you interact with family or relatives during the holidays that either wish you death or don't like you because of your political views and religious or moral values?
01:13:50I don't know that I'd want to spend the holidays if they.
01:13:53If that's not tongue in cheek, if you have any reason to believe that they're seriously violently ideating about you, then I don't think you should put yourself in the position that you're in.
01:14:06You should say, when you said that, that's not acceptable.
01:14:10Yeah, you can't say that to people that are in your family.
01:14:14If it's normal political, like even heated political disagreements, I think you have to always remember that family is incredibly important and do your part on your side of the table to be reasonable and loving and patient with them.
01:14:30And, you know, but there is a difference between forgiving your family and forgetting what they've done or said to you.
01:14:37Your side of the table, if you're a Christian, is to forgive, you know, especially if they say sorry, things like that.
01:14:44Charlie had family members very different from politics, and he always engaged in them lovingly.
01:14:49But if it is to this point where it's like violent rhetoric or ideation, or if you have any reason to believe, even 5% chance that they mean it, you should not put yourself in a position where you're unsafe.
01:15:01Mary, I just want to say family is sacred.
01:15:04And, you know, so I think it's important that we understand that you give increased patience and understanding and energy and effort into reconciling those relationships, if at all possible.
01:15:18Scary like that, then you absolutely should make sure that you're safe and make sure that they're not actually able to hurt you by putting yourself in that position.
01:15:30But if it's run of the mill stuff, I do believe that try your best, work really hard.
01:15:35One of the more sinister things that the left has done is they do like to aggressively inject politics into life and make that an arbiter of all your relationships.
01:15:47And you see this in polls that people who are.
01:15:49On the left, they are more likely to say they ended a friendship over politics, they have cut off a family member over politics, they whip them up.
01:15:58That cults, one of the things they'll do is they will cut off all of your other relationships and say, like, those are all not acceptable because they're not on board.
01:16:06The left will do that, and we do want to push back against that because that is not a good way for our society to go.
01:16:12Yeah, and then the other thing is again, if it's just run of the mill stuff, like maybe you agree to disagree, and you know, because it is family again.
01:16:20You say, hey, let's just not talk about politics.
01:16:41My question is, and I heard a lot of it talked about throughout the show, is why would you vote for more taxes, late term abortion, And bringing back illegals into our country.
01:16:55Well, because they hate rich people and they are under a false impression that if you taxed all the rich people in America, you could pay for the government and give everybody free everything, which is not the truth at all.
01:17:08If you taxed all the rich people 100% of their wealth, you basically fund the government for like 21 days or something.
01:17:15A real crisis in America is there is a growing resentment ideology.
01:17:26Taking a zero sum attitude towards wealth.
01:17:28There's a very funny story where some diplomat or whoever met Muammar Gaddafi and Gaddafi had to, he imagined that Bill Gates got all of his money in the 90s by he must have stolen it from a bunch of people.
01:17:40And this is actually a very common attitude throughout most of the world in poorer countries that the only way you can get wealth is like there's a fixed amount of wealth and the only way anyone gets a lot of it is just by taking it from other people.
01:17:53And a great, the thing that made the West so prosperous is the realization that you can create wealth.
01:18:00By creating something valuable that people want, by putting labor into things and making something better out of it.
01:18:23Late term abortions, people just love abortion.
01:18:25Unfortunately, it's a terrible, sad thing.
01:18:27I mean, I think people, it's like the ejection button.
01:18:32Even some Christians, they'll say that they're pro life, but they don't want to legislate against it because they're worried about their 15 year old daughter accidentally getting knocked.
01:18:40David French, who loves to pose as this great conscience of American conservatism, he said, What?
01:18:45James Tallarico was the most Christian candidate in this election when James Tallarico loves abortion.
01:18:52And we should be frank approval of abortion went up significantly after the Dobbs decision.
01:18:58That there were a lot of, you could call them sunshine patriots, summertime patriots, who it was easy to say you were anti abortion, you were pro life when it wasn't a live issue, when you didn't think, Oh, I might be subject to that law, my daughter might be subject to that law.
01:19:12And now we have to gird ourselves with this left thing.
01:19:16They're going to want to make nationwide abortion the law again.
01:19:51And it's almost, you know, it's hard not to look at that and be like, God, are you intentionally like letting us, you know, enjoy the fruits of our decision here?