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00:02:48.000And Charlie and Ryan, they took the trouble to get me that.
00:02:52.000But anyway, look, you and I, we have so much to talk about.
00:02:55.000I'll just shut up as quickly as possible and ask you, my friend, the news over the weekend has continued to be troubling and more than troubling.
00:03:08.000Well, you know, especially on Friday, great to be here, Eric.
00:03:12.000We saw the Supreme Court come with a very puzzling decision.
00:03:16.000The Bush appointee, John Roberts, has really been playing into his caricature lately of siding with the most radical elements of the United States Supreme Court.
00:03:26.000And for those people that don't know, on Friday evening, you know, it's funny how they always do this on Friday evening to try to quell the rebellion of anyone that actually might be paying attention.
00:03:35.000Calvary Chapel in Las Vegas sued asking why can casinos and restaurants have 50 or more people, but churches cannot.
00:03:48.000The Supreme Court then decided 5-4 with Roberts siding with Breyer, Kagan, Sodomayor, and Ginsburg, saying that, you know what, it's okay to discriminate against churches, even though casinos and restaurants, marijuana dispensaries, and strip clubs can have 50 or more people.
00:04:32.000We could talk about other states, and I'd like to do this in a minute.
00:04:34.000But how is it possible that somebody like Roberts, who's not a anti-constitutionalist, how do you suppose he rationalizes this in his mind?
00:05:19.000I mean, this idea that you're not going to get close together with people when you're going to go to a marijuana dispensary or to a restaurant or to a casino is just pretty, pretty outrageous.
00:05:30.000Now, Gorsuch dissented from where Roberts would have his opinion.
00:05:34.000And Gorsuch said, this is not even a question.
00:05:37.000This is the most simple case that we have seen recently.
00:05:40.000I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but this is basically the language that he used.
00:05:44.000And he said that the First Amendment shouldn't apply at Caesar's Palace, but not at Calvary Chapel, Las Vegas.
00:05:49.000It was a great final line in his dissenting opinion.
00:05:53.000And Gorsuch went out of his way to also mention synagogues and mosques.
00:05:57.000Now, Eric, what is really concerning for me is that the Constitution more and more seems kind of like a suggestion document to the United States Supreme Court, no longer the actual document that they have to defend and that they have to interpret.
00:06:10.000Now it's just kind of like a reference point.
00:06:12.000Like, oh, we might, we might consider it in some of our ruling.
00:06:17.000I went through the same sort of mental gymnastics this weekend, Eric, because I said, well, John Roberts, he's ruled correctly on some things.
00:06:50.000Pastor Rob McCoy, Pastor Jack Hibbs, the real fighters out there, they have now had an increased amount of governmental overreach and scrutiny this last weekend.
00:07:11.000So now other churches across the country that were reopening safely and securely are now feeling the pain and they're being targeted because of this outrageous decision.
00:07:22.000Well, I guess I want to, there's a few things that pop into my mind as you talk about this.
00:07:28.000I preached in Ocean City, New Jersey a couple of weekends ago, and they have an auditorium that seats 1,000 people.
00:07:41.000And so they said, well, we can have Theoretically, 200 people in here would be safe social distancing.
00:07:48.000But Governor Murphy has said only 100 people, it's the max.
00:07:53.000In other words, it doesn't matter if the church auditorium could hold 1,000 or 500.
00:08:00.000If it's either 20% of what it could hold or 100 people, whichever is less.
00:08:06.000So we ended up having the service outdoors, and I don't know, there's probably 180 people there or something like that.
00:08:13.000But the reason you and I are annoyed by this, and many Americans are annoyed by this, is there seems to be a level of animus toward religion.
00:08:27.000There also seems to be a level of subjectivity.
00:08:32.000In other words, if everybody can sort of see the point, you say, well, we don't like it, but we get it.
00:08:37.000But it does seem that the rulings have fallen unfairly against churches.
00:08:42.000And that's why folks like Rob McCoy and Jack Hibbs and now John MacArthur are, I think, heroically dissenting.
00:08:58.000But when we have to tolerate as a society 56 nights of arson and terrorism in Portland or in Chicago, where they have thousands of people congregating at once, and you're telling me that 51 people are violating the law if they gather in Las Vegas to go take communion or to go take a holy sacrament.
00:09:24.000Not every member on the Supreme Court is 5'4, and their reasoning is backwards and incorrect.
00:09:30.000But I think that the default position of our government, Eric, should be we should have to go to extreme lengths to shut down religious services.
00:09:37.000I think one of the reasons we are seeing so much unrest is because people have not been able to go to church.
00:09:42.000People haven't been able to connect to the moral center.
00:09:45.000I am actually against this kind of digitalization of church services.
00:09:51.000I actually like being able to dress up, go to a church, feel as if I'm entering into a house of God, have a complete and total mind kind of shaping experience.
00:10:01.000Whereas you just kind of turn on your television at 10 a.m. on a Sunday morning, I don't feel that same sort of connection.
00:10:06.000And you have millions of people that agree with me, by the way.
00:10:09.000And people wonder why we kind of have this identity crisis as a country.
00:10:14.000I don't think it's unfair to say it's because we've disallowed church services in a lot of states.
00:10:18.000The church has always been the moral center against Rousseau and French Revolution tactics, always.
00:10:24.000And all of a sudden, you get rid of that.
00:10:25.000We wonder, well, why do we have a French Revolution happening?
00:10:27.000Well, maybe it's because we don't have church happening anymore.
00:10:48.000Now, Charlie, you just talked about a whole bunch of things that raise many issues.
00:10:52.000For example, if you will permit me for a second, I think let's talk about what's called stare decisis, right?
00:11:02.000Stare decisis refers in Latin to the idea that when the Supreme Court makes a ruling, future Supreme Court rulings need or should take that into consideration rather than willy-nilly switch from left to right, from right to left, from this to that.
00:11:20.000In other words, that they want to, here's the key: they want to continue to inspire confidence in the institution of the judicial branch.
00:11:32.000Because one of the things that makes democracy work is that the people, we the people, have, generally speaking, confidence and trust in the institutions of government.
00:11:43.000It doesn't mean that sometimes it doesn't go sideways or sometimes it doesn't get difficult.
00:11:48.000But generally speaking, we're not cynical.
00:11:51.000What Roberts has done recently and what other rulings have done recently and what's been happening in the country generally recently is things seem to have gotten so nakedly partisan, so nakedly political, and in the case of these judicial decisions,
00:12:07.000so subjective that people begin to back up, begin to lose confidence, for example, in the Supreme Court and to treat it like any other political entity and talk about conservative justices and liberal justices.
00:12:21.000And you think it should not be that way.
00:12:24.000In other words, they ought to be very, very careful about rattling the populace.
00:12:32.000Because in 1973, for example, when Roe v. Wade happened or when same-sex marriage was effectively shoved down our throat, the people feel like, wait a minute, whether I agree with the decision or don't, we haven't really been able to argue this through in a healthy way.
00:12:54.000And so at that point, when the Supreme Court makes a decision, just as with Obamacare, when you have the legislature just throw down this law, people feel disenfranchised and that undermines every kind of freedom.
00:13:08.000It has nothing to do with left or right.
00:13:28.000The only check that we have on the Supreme Court is future nominees and impeaching a Supreme Court justice.
00:13:35.000If the Supreme Court decides to make their own law, which they have in recent years, what's our check against that?
00:13:40.000Very little, actually, especially with a broken Congress and a legislature that is heavily divided.
00:13:46.000So in the gay marriage decision, for example, where Anthony Kennedy wrongly decided just to be, to overturn over, I think, 28 state legislatures that held up that marriage is between one man and one woman.
00:13:58.000All of a sudden, the Supreme Court made the law, and what was our check?
00:14:16.000I mean, if Donald Trump decides to put up a Goya Beans tweak, they're going to impeach him for violating the emoluments clause, right?
00:14:25.000I mean, the legislative and executive are so checking each other every single day.
00:14:30.000The only check we have, again, is impeaching one of these justices, which will not happen.
00:14:35.000And so the point is this, though, is that, yes, this is how you get people that feel as if the government doesn't represent them.
00:14:41.000I mean, when you hear people complain about the ruling class, go look at those nine people in black robes that are supposed to be impartial.
00:14:48.000And what you have seen, though, is a radical movement.
00:14:52.000It's just grown and they've multiplied of people that have gone to the United States Supreme Court and decided that this is a wonderful workshop to be able to destroy America.
00:15:07.000I mean, now, and then you have John Roberts, for whatever reason, continually trying to pander to the Sotomayor Kagan Ginsburg Breyer wing of the court, where Clarence Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Alito generally do the right thing.
00:15:49.000But there's rioting and there's rioting.
00:15:51.000And then there is, how do we put it? Armed organized rebellion against the citizens of the United States.
00:16:01.000We have Antifa and others who are obviously plotting in the way that militaries plot, not the way mobs behave, but in the way that militaries plot and they have supply chains and things.
00:16:15.000And obviously the media are not reporting on this.
00:18:23.000I was taking a screenwriting course in Hollywood by the famous Robert McKee.
00:18:29.000And as he talked about story and the structure of narrative, he says, there's good and then there is evil, but there's something even worse than evil.
00:19:00.000And I think most Americans aren't used to it.
00:19:02.000In other words, it's a level of cynicism involved that's freaky.
00:19:07.000Well, and so Orwell warned against this in some of his later lectures, where he said the human psyche actually isn't prepared for double speak, where it's actually so incredibly different than how we process information.
00:19:21.000It actually creates you to be subservient.
00:19:23.000So, for example, when you go up and you're like, wow, maybe they should stop looting.
00:19:32.000Like, we don't even know how to deal with that.
00:19:34.000And we actually just kind of either walk away or we kind of just take the knee metaphorically or literally.
00:19:39.000And it's so incredibly effective because we as decent human beings who actually want to see civil society and a stable country and a place to build a family, we look at this and we dare question it, right?
00:19:51.000And those of us that aren't trained and able to spot it out, I can understand why certain people have remained very silent.
00:19:57.000I can understand in a certain sense why people are so confused and why, and you're exactly right.
00:20:02.000Just in a human psychological analysis, we are not equipped.
00:20:07.000That's the best term, equipped to be able to confront this Orwellian approach, where I have to read in the New York Times that it's Donald Trump that is causing the chaos importantly.
00:20:20.000And I think it's why it's worth our taking the time to talk about it.
00:20:23.000The term used by the cognizanti, the chattering classes, who always invent new terms.
00:20:28.000And most Americans, like my parents and stuff, they don't get this.
00:20:33.000But the term gaslighting for the last few years, you know, younger people on Twitter and stuff talk about gaslighting.
00:20:38.000That comes from a movie in the 40s starring Ingrid Bergman and Joseph Cotton, one of the greatest movies ever, Gaslight, in which the husband of Ingrid Bergman, he begins to play head games with her.
00:20:51.000And he will hide something and then accuse her of being forgetful.
00:21:05.000When I watch, for example, somebody like a Chuck Schumer pontificating foolishly, they are saying precisely the opposite, but in such a way that it seems absolutely true.
00:21:18.000And honestly, Charlie, what you're talking about, I mean, you've read these Orwell essays, which I've not read, but the human mind really needs to understand what is happening and to begin to understand that if you do not see what is happening, you're powerless against it.
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00:24:11.000Let's just put it this way, that if there was a title that was higher than yours, then it wouldn't be a true center around faith and liberty.
00:24:56.000But look, I mean, first of all, there is an Insurrection Act of 1807 that any president can sign and was used against the Whiskey Rebellion and was used many other times.
00:25:05.000Anyway, the point is that there is an Insurrection Act on the books that can be used.
00:25:09.000Secondly, I mean, this is the broader question.
00:25:12.000H.W. Bush signed it in 91, the Rodney King riots, and it actually quelled the rebellion very nicely, you know, very effectively in Los Angeles.
00:25:19.000And I guess my question to Judge Napolitano is, was Dwight D. Eisenhower acting in his constitutional authority to send federal troops into Little Rock, Arkansas to force, you know, to not basically force the bitter segregationists and racists to allow black children to go to school at the Little Rock Nine?
00:25:49.000But there is a time, and it seems to me when people are being murdered, when you have a level of ignorance or malfeasance or partisanship locally, whether on the state level or on a city level, the government, the federal government has an obligation to step in.
00:26:10.000Lives are being put at risk, and local leaders don't care.
00:26:14.000I mean, when lynching happened in the South, when Bull Connor acted in the way he did in the South, it seems to me none of us would have a problem because you're dealing with constitutional rights, liberty, life, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:26:28.000Yeah, I mean, I guess the Democrats are getting back to their roots of George Wallace, right?
00:26:32.000I mean, that's basically where we're at right now, where George Wallace stared down federal troops and said, you will not segregate, you know, you will not desegregate the American South.
00:26:41.000I guess that was a Democrat then, I guess, a Democrat today.
00:26:44.000What's really perplexing, Eric, though, and I think you would agree with this, is how the Democrats hide behind our own doctrine of states' rights when it fits their own agenda.
00:26:51.000But when they, and it's so, I mean, of course, they don't actually believe in states' rights.
00:26:55.000I mean, they believe in hiding behind it in their own little mini city states called California, Seattle, Portland, and New York City when they want to defy federal immigration law, when they want to create their own little sanctuary areas absent of the federal rule of law.
00:27:12.000But I guess the question here is, why would it be unconstitutional if there's already a law in the books that would allow it?
00:27:19.000But let's sidestep that for a second because I think that's just a foolish statement.
00:27:28.000And some people say, well, this is good for Republicans, the more that our cities burn and blah, blah, blah, like the pollsters.
00:27:34.000I just think that whole take is so ridiculously outrageous that you're going to sit idly by while we have the arson and terror in our country and do nothing.
00:27:42.000So I think the president is right to deploy these kinds of federal resources.
00:27:45.000And look, we know this, Eric, that problems that are not confronted multiply.
00:27:49.000We saw what happened at the Democrat National Convention in Chicago in the late 1960s, I believe it was, either 1960, yeah, 1960.
00:27:57.0001968, and a Democratic mayor, Dale, Jr., cracked down big time.
00:28:04.000And it could have gone, it could have burned the whole city down.
00:28:20.000A protest is kind of what we did during the lockdown, where we didn't burn anything.
00:28:25.000We cleaned up after ourselves and we got a permit and we were very respectful.
00:28:29.000And they still brought out the Praetorian Guard to try to enforce measures against us when we protested the lockdowns.
00:28:35.000An insurrection is when you use weapons and violence and physical retribution to try to overtake a government.
00:28:41.000That's what's happening in Portland and Seattle.
00:28:44.000Well, when we spoke earlier about gaslighting and about the newspeak of Orwell, it seems to me, you know, to put it in Freudian terms, and I hate Freud, but it's kind of projection, right?
00:28:54.000Whatever it is that I'm in fact doing, I accuse you of doing.
00:28:59.000And there's something I say it's demonic, right?
00:29:08.000And so the left has, for the last 50 and 60 and more years, portrayed conservatives as jack-booted thugs, right?
00:29:18.000And in reality, they have been the ones who've been the jack-booted thugs.
00:29:23.000And they've done this so effectively in the media over 50 years.
00:29:27.000It's why I always talk about culture and the media: we are way behind in being able to portray the reality of what's been happening in America.
00:29:36.000But they do this time and time again so that if a conservative or pro-Trump person sneezes, they portray it a certain way.
00:29:45.000And if folks on their side are using lasers to blind federal officers, you know, that's just part of the way things go.
00:29:52.000Yeah, and could someone explain or at least give me one example of an organized conservative, let's just say, activity that ever resulted in physical retribution ever.
00:30:07.000It doesn't happen, but that specter is raised over and over again, whether they have to go back to lynchings in the South, which, you know, even to call those conservatives gets ridiculous.
00:30:18.000We know they were racist, but we also know that the Democratic Party was in the vanguard of that kind of stuff.
00:30:24.000So we're going to go to another break.
00:30:26.000We'll be right back with Charlie Kirk.
00:30:29.000Charlie, I've got to ask you about education.
00:30:31.000A lot of people over this past weekend, as the chaos has continued and the violence has continued, they've begun to point the fingers at education.
00:30:40.000Over 50 years, we have effectively indoctrinated young people with a worldview that is more pro-Fidel Castro, more pro-Soviet Union, more pro-conservative, sorry, a communist party of China than it is pro-American along the founders' vision.
00:31:01.000Do you think that there's anything that this president or that the Senate can do?
00:31:07.000Because, you know, you referenced Orwell writing a long time ago, many decades ago.
00:31:13.000You have to know, of course, that C.S. Lewis wrote very similar things.
00:31:16.000In the book, The Abolition of Man, he talks about this.
00:31:20.000He wrote this stuff 80 years ago, but it was prophetic.
00:31:23.000Is exactly said what would happen and what we're seeing the fruit of now.
00:31:28.000Yeah, and look, this is this is the issue that we struggle with right now.
00:31:33.000And there's two factors to it because this is the price we pay for abundance and liberty.
00:31:38.000Because what ends up happening is one generation fights to save the Republic and save Western society.
00:31:44.000Their kids decide to rebel slightly and then end up getting somewhat on the most path, my parents' generation.
00:31:50.000And then they are convinced that my generation has to go into these mind-warping indoctrination camps because that is what is needed to be an upper-middle-class individual in our country.
00:32:00.000And this has been one of the great lies of America in the last 30, 40 years.
00:32:11.000I love learning about Descartes and Marcus Aurelius.
00:32:14.000I just wish that's what happened because it's not.
00:32:17.000Instead, you learn about Nicole Hannah-Jones and you learn about white fragility, and you bathe in the nonsense of Jean-Jacques Rousseau that we need to be a primitive civilization, that civilized society is something that is wrong.
00:32:32.000And that you look at this, it creates very ungrateful, unhappy people.
00:32:37.000And you pair that with a very dire and real financial circumstance.
00:32:41.000And this is the second part of this that conservatives don't always talk about, Eric.
00:32:44.000And I'd love to get into this, which is for recent graduates, the amount of debt burden, the things that they're studying actually don't help them economically.
00:32:52.000And since they don't see their well-being, and they also go into these overly flooded cities where things are so incredibly expensive that they're not able to build wealth, they don't get married, they're very miserable by the time they turn 28 or 30, that they're perfect for a revolution.
00:33:06.000They're ripe for a revolution, actually.
00:33:07.000That their net assets are $70,000 in the hole.
00:33:11.000They're working minimum wage jobs that wouldn't have required a college degree in the first place.
00:33:15.000And all of a sudden, that lecture that they heard five years ago about the need for a rebellion, you know, taking the spirit of Roba Spear, all of a sudden they act on it.
00:33:24.000I talked to some of these people in some of the best, you know, wealthiest communities across our country.
00:33:28.000And I love doing it in the summer because these are kind of when the enclaves of the mountains and the upper east, you know, that's kind of where people gather and they kind of start to discuss how much money they should give to Yale.
00:33:39.000And I start to ask, I ask themselves, I say, but why do you have to do that?
00:33:44.000Not every, and you know, they're starting to, a lot of people are starting to wake up.
00:33:46.000They say, oh, well, because we know we need more people to be able to go to our best institutions.
00:33:51.000And I say, well, what have they produced?
00:33:54.000I mean, you wonder why the statues are tumbling down.
00:33:56.000You wonder why we have these revolutionaries.
00:33:58.000It's large in part because whatever happens on college campuses, it's not like a nuclear spill where you could just contain it.
00:34:41.000I was indoctrinated in the early 80s along all the lines we are talking about.
00:34:47.000And then after I'd become a Christian and after I'd found my way back to the conservatism and patriotism of my dad, who raised me to love this country, I realized that William F. Buckley, the father of modern conservatism, wrote about Yale and about this in a book called God and Men at Yale, which was about his experience at Yale in the late 40s.
00:35:11.000So we are talking about something that has been trickle down education, trickle-down culture in these elite institutions in America since the 40s.
00:35:22.000In Europe, it goes back another 25 years after World War I.
00:35:28.000So these are different ways of seeing reality, and they have finally come into the mainstream.
00:35:34.000So we have young people believing these things, tearing down statues, trying to burn down federal buildings.
00:35:42.000To my mind, without any question, education is the problem and not just college education, Charlie.
00:35:49.000The teachers unions are as woke as it gets.
00:35:51.000Yeah, and I'm working on this thesis as well, which I think you would enjoy, which is it's the educational foundation that's been laid.
00:35:59.000And then it's also the American middle class that has grown more cynical about their economic well-being.
00:36:04.000And so I've studied closely the Russian Revolution, the Cuban Revolution, why Castro and Che Guevara, why were they able to have residence in Cuba?
00:36:13.000It's because the Cuban middle class basically lost faith that if they kept working hard and playing by the rules, things were going to get better.
00:36:19.000And I'm really afraid for our American middle class because they're starting to set in with that kind of cynicism.
00:36:24.000And that's because, for example, in the 60s and 70s, one of the reasons why the Soviet attempts to try to build up the communist revolution in America just kind of fell flat on its face is that the factory worker in Toledo is like, that sounds great.
00:36:42.000And if the American middle class does not think that their kids are going to be better off than them, whether it's true or not, it's just all kind of appearance is reality here, then all of a sudden they are perfect potential Bolsheviks.
00:36:56.000Because if you just lose sense in the material well-being of your society, and I'm not an over-materialist, I'm not, but to say that it doesn't play a role, I think is not correct.
00:37:04.000Where that if you do not think that if you work hard in 10 years from now, you're going to be richer and your kids will be better, then you'll either disconnect from the process or you'll tell your kids to go burn down the city.
00:37:18.000I think that, again, what we've been seeing very recently is the full flowering of this kind of thing.
00:37:23.000When you have people shining lasers into the eyes, the blind federal marshals, I have to say that most Americans, I think, see where things have come.
00:37:38.000They see that when you get to this level, it's all breaking down.
00:37:43.000What might have begun as a peaceful protest has been hijacked.
00:37:47.000And I think this election is going to hinge on that.
00:37:49.000When we come back, I want to talk to you about the upcoming election and what we're facing.
00:37:54.000I think it's, you know, I hate to say it, broken record, but it's the most important election in my lifetime for sure.
00:38:02.000We'll be right back, folks, talking to Charlie Kirk.
00:38:05.000Charlie, we've got to end on some kind of a positive note.
00:38:10.000I think there are enough Americans who understand that Trump stands against this stuff and has the guts to do so.
00:38:16.000And I think there are enough Americans that are waking up to the idea that a Biden presidency, you might as well turn the keys of the kingdom over to the Portland rioters.
00:38:29.000And so, yeah, look, a positive note is that we still have a chance to do something about this.
00:38:34.000I mean, the American system, thankfully, we still have elections, that we don't have to settle this thing through civil insurrection, no matter how much the left wants to do that.
00:38:43.000And so, yes, I mean, the positive is that we can do something about this in November.
00:39:51.000But if you're not fond of him, you have to understand the other side is going to take us so dramatically in the other direction.
00:39:57.000I think people are beginning to see that.
00:39:59.000And by the way, final comment: what about what is happening to Biden?
00:40:03.000How is it possible that he could be doing well in the polls when he seems to be a shell of his former self and even his former self was a shell?
00:40:11.000Well, you and I will have to do a whole nother hour on this, but he's he's he's in right now framed it as a referendum on Donald Trump.
00:40:18.000And that's been very effective for him is that it's almost a vote of no confidence, not a Biden versus Trump election.
00:40:24.000As soon as it becomes an actual election and it's a binary choice, it's a completely different set of decision-making matrixes.
00:40:31.000Whether or not you like Trump or whether you want Trump to continue for four more years versus Joe Biden, two completely different things.
00:40:37.000And they're being conflated as the same thing in some of this public polling.
00:40:44.000I think that about says it, but I'm just wondering how in the next hundred days this is going to funnel down.
00:40:50.000In other words, at some point, Biden has to come out of the basement and has to appear more like a conventional candidate.
00:41:02.000Things are strange because of COVID, because we're not having the conventions in the way that we normally do.
00:41:06.000But I really think it's easy to say I vote for Biden.
00:41:09.000But as we come down to the actual voting day, he's going to have to do something that he hasn't done yet.
00:41:16.000I just wonder how that's going to work out.
00:41:25.000And do not be surprised if that happens.
00:41:27.000I tell every Trump supporter out there, this thing could be a late breaker, the likes of which we have never seen.
00:41:32.000Remember, Ronald Reagan was down seven points to Jimmy Carter 10 days before the election, and he had a late break, the likes of which no one has ever seen.
00:41:39.000Pat Cadell, may he rest in peace, had told me that story at least 22 times.