Paula Scanlon, who was a teammate of Will Thomas, joins the program. And Chloe Hopp, who joins us about a lawsuit, joins us to talk about a very important conversation. Charlie Kirk is running the White House.
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00:01:47.000In a nutshell, the new rewrite means men can take academic and athletic scholarships from women.
00:01:52.000Men will have full access to bathrooms, locker rooms, et cetera.
00:01:55.000Men could be housed in dorm rooms with women.
00:01:58.000And student and faculty must compel their speech by requiring the use of preferred pronouns.
00:02:02.000If the guidelines above are ignored or even questioned, then you could be charged with harassment.
00:02:06.000Joining us now is a very courageous woman, Paula Scanlon, who is a former teammate of Mr. Thomas at the University of Pennsylvania swim team.
00:02:18.000Thank you so much for having me today.
00:02:20.000Paula, tell us about first, introduce yourself, your experience swimming for UPenn and when you were first introduced to this character named Thomas.
00:02:29.000Yes, obviously, I'm at the University of Pennsylvania.
00:02:31.000Interestingly enough, we were first told about the fact that a member of the men's team, going by Will, was going to be joining the women's team in the fall of 2019.
00:02:40.000We had a team meeting where he stood in front of the entire women's team and said, I'm transgender.
00:02:45.000I will be transitioning to your team next season.
00:02:48.000Please refer to me with she, her pronouns.
00:02:51.000At the time, he was still going by William.
00:02:53.000So we had to call somebody named William with she, her pronouns.
00:03:04.000And this becomes a reality in the fall of 2021.
00:03:07.000And obviously, before that, we were told by our coaching staff that they would consider the locker room, they would consider other accommodations.
00:03:14.000And of course, in the fall of 2021, when we go to start the season, he has a locker just like everybody else.
00:03:21.000We had to just act like he was simply another woman in the locker room, another normal female athlete on the team, when obviously nothing was normal because he is six foot four inches tall, towering over us, deep voice.
00:03:34.000He's actually taller than anyone on the men's team as well.
00:03:37.000So he was the tallest person on both the men's and the women's team.
00:03:41.000And so just again, completely ridiculous situation.
00:03:43.000And we were all told by the university, if we objected to this, that we needed to seek psychological services and we needed to seek help if we continued to object.
00:03:54.000So when you appealed to your elders that there was a biological man that's allowed in your intimate changing spaces, what was their reaction?
00:04:05.000And just to be very clear, he was dressing fully as a biological man naked in front of other girls.
00:04:53.000If you want to be part of this team, this is what you have to put up with.
00:04:56.000And at every single stage, the administrators would tell us that we were in the wrong.
00:05:00.000They told us if we ever spoke against it, that we would be on the wrong side of history.
00:05:04.000They told us this is the next civil rights movement.
00:05:07.000And if we speak out against it, it'll be equivalent to, you know, supporting segregation in this country and other things like that.
00:05:14.000It was, it was just completely ridiculous.
00:05:15.000And every single stage, anyone said anything, we were immediately told we were hateful, bigoted.
00:05:20.000And we also had LGBT representatives continually meeting with our team and telling us that if we objected to this, we were, again, part of the problem.
00:05:28.000We were hurting a marginalized community.
00:05:30.000All of the things that they say on these college campuses.
00:05:33.000Well, yeah, men and women should have segregated spaces, especially when you change, actually, because male-female differences matter where racial differences don't matter.
00:05:41.000That's like a very easy answer to these.
00:05:44.000And what's so interesting to me, though, is that now the Biden administration is saying, if I want to call Leah Thomas a man, that's sexual harassment.
00:05:51.000How is it not sexual harassment to have a fully grown man undressing in front of multiple girls, some of which are freshly graduated from high school, 17, 18 years old?
00:06:28.000And so interestingly, I mean, I always say to them, it's something over 90% of people that commit assault are male and over 90% of victims are female.
00:06:37.000That statistic alone should show us why it's so important for them to be separated.
00:06:41.000I don't understand why we've given up on that.
00:06:43.000I know like the Me Too movement was screaming back in the day, what, like eight years ago when they started.
00:07:02.000We went on a training trip to a facility in Florida and Leah Thomas was changing in the women's room and there were four and five year old age groups somewhere changing at the same facility.
00:07:11.000A six foot four tall, 22 year old man, fully intact with male genitalia, is undressing next to a four and five year old girl or four and five age group girl.
00:07:21.000I didn't ask her for her age, but that is about how old she looked.
00:07:26.000And I bet her parents didn't even know we were training there.
00:07:29.000So there's now been recent revelations that Mr. Thomas is kind of a perv based on his social media.
00:07:35.000Did you see any evidence of that or when he was your teammate?
00:07:39.000I, so he was actually dating a member of the women's team before he transitioned.
00:07:44.000So I honestly have no idea really what that was like because I never really inquired about their, you know, whatever they were up to.
00:07:54.000But definitely, it was very clear at the very least that this person is attracted to women, right?
00:08:01.000And that is that's the part where a lot of people are like, We know that this person enjoys women that way.
00:08:09.000So, why is he invited into the locker room?
00:08:11.000And I think that that was really what a lot of people took issue with.
00:08:14.000Yeah, and your leaders and the elders, University of Pennsylvania, by the way, it's not just University of Pennsylvania.
00:08:19.000I mean, they should be torched to the ground, but it's there's it's hundreds of schools and school high school districts right now where girls have to change amongst boys.
00:08:28.000Basically, eradication of all male-female distinctions, male-female separation.
00:08:34.000I want to, first of all, thank you for your courage to speak out against this.
00:08:37.000Before I get into the Biden thing a little deeper, I'm positive there were other teammates that still feel the way you do.
00:08:43.000Would you say that it was a majority of your teammates that felt wildly uncomfortable, but also felt that this was unjust, that there was a biological man competing in the woman's category?
00:08:55.000I mean, I would say probably 80% of my teammates agreed that this was wrong to some extent, whether the competition part bothered them more or the locker room part bothered them more, or that kind of varied person to person.
00:09:07.000But what I will say is, nobody wanted to talk about it.
00:09:11.000When the administration started coming in and having mandatory meetings with us and telling us, again, our behavior is bad if we object to this.
00:09:18.000We're on the wrong side of history, all of those things.
00:09:20.000A lot of girls didn't even want to have conversations, even amongst ourselves, on a one-on-one conversation.
00:09:26.000They wouldn't want to talk about the situation.
00:09:28.000And again, to this day, none of my other teammates have publicly spoken about this.
00:09:33.000There have been a few that have signed petitions and a few girls that have reached out to me and said, I support what you're doing.
00:09:39.000But for the most part, people on this team did not want to talk about it because, again, all the threats, they told us that we're not going to get a job.
00:09:46.000We're never going to have a job if we speak against this.
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00:12:49.000In the thing, they're basically saying now sex is equivalent to gender identity, which before these crazy trans activists would say, Well, sex and gender identity are two different things.
00:12:59.000No, now they've taken the physical sex thing and taken it to be their own.
00:13:05.000I think that is the biggest thing here.
00:13:09.000And again, this is why we can't give our language, you can't give them a single thing, you can't be polite with the pronouns, you can't give them an inch because now they're taking over and they're saying, You can change your sex.
00:13:51.000So, I think that really is the biggest part.
00:13:52.000Well, and this is what's important: not every activist has received the memo yesterday at the University of Utah.
00:13:58.000We do our open debate stuff, and one of the trans zealots said, No, no, no, sex never changes, it's gender that changes.
00:14:06.000I said, I don't think you're really up to speed here.
00:14:08.000They said, No, no, no, sex is never going to change, sex is permanent, it's biological.
00:14:13.000And so, that they're they're kind of they're operating under an outdated memo where the new memo says, No, no, no, you can actually fundamentally change sex, and and that's where they've always been headed, everybody.
00:14:25.000And we have conceded on pronouns, we've conceded, and we shouldn't concede on it, okay?
00:14:39.000So, Paula, in further detail here, let's talk about the punishment.
00:14:44.000If you mispronoun somebody, misgender them, or if you don't allow men to go into female locker rooms, you could be charged with harassment.
00:15:06.000That's totally normal, being flashed by males.
00:15:09.000But if I say he, or if I don't respect somebody's pronouns, whatever it might be, and there's now people who their pronouns change by the day, or they identify as animals, how am I even supposed to keep track of that?
00:15:21.000Like, what if I just don't know what they want from that specific day?
00:15:24.000And somehow I can now be charged with sexual harassment.
00:15:28.000And professors can be charged with sexually harassing their students in their classes if they, again, call on somebody accidentally and call them the wrong pronoun.
00:15:51.000So if a professor misgenders a man who might identify as a female wrongly because of their mental issues, then you could be slapped with harassment.
00:16:04.000And so Joe Biden really enjoys support from female voters.
00:16:10.000So Paula, I'm just curious, why are women generally so agreeable to the eradication of women?
00:16:20.000I mean, truly at this point, if you are a woman and you are voting for Joe Biden, please reconsider all the benefits you used to previously have in this country, being a woman.
00:16:30.000You will not have those things any longer.
00:16:32.000Now, anyone who identifies as a woman can reap those benefits again, right?
00:16:36.000With this new ruling, they can take your academic scholarships away.
00:16:39.000They can take the athletic scholarships away.
00:16:41.000All these opportunities that we used to have through Title IX that was passed almost 52 years ago will be gone.
00:16:47.000And I don't understand why women keep falling for this.
00:16:49.000I think, again, it's really, and I hate bringing this stuff up, but they're just using the abortion issue as the one only issue for female voters.
00:16:57.000And they don't believe anyone else has anything else to vote for when it doesn't come for that.
00:17:05.000There's some women who are pro-choice.
00:17:07.000And I'm not going to argue with them about that.
00:17:09.000I don't agree, but that's not my problem.
00:17:11.000We can't let that be the thing that gets them to only vote for Joe Biden when they're losing literally every single other thing about being a woman in the office.
00:19:06.000A few months ago, Elon Musk said that he wanted to fund lawsuits by anyone fired for their speech on X. In late March, he put his money where his mouth was by announcing a lawsuit on behalf of the woman behind the very entertaining account, Bronze Age Shotty, a woman by the name of Chloe Hop, and she joins us right now.
00:19:41.000So back in November of last year, I was fired from my job at Block specifically for a tweet I made that was pretty politically incorrect and it was kind of in criticism of trans people.
00:19:59.000So the day I got fired, I posted about it on my Twitter account to all my followers and the post went pretty viral.
00:20:08.000Everyone was tagging Elon in the post saying like, hey, Elon, put your money where your mouth is.
00:20:13.000This girl was fired because of a tweet.
00:20:16.000And thanks to my powerful network of friends online, I was able to get in contact with Elon.
00:20:23.000And the next day, Elon hired me a legal team to then go on to pursue a lawsuit against my ex-employer for firing me for a tweet.
00:20:52.000And he just forwarded it to his legal team.
00:20:54.000So no, I haven't spoken with him directly yet.
00:20:58.000So you spend a lot of time on Twitter X. Can you comment on how the platform has changed since Elon has taken over for the better, I would assume?
00:21:10.000I wasn't on Twitter too much during the Jack Dorsey reign, but I have noticed a significant less amount of censorship on the platform since Elon has taken over.
00:21:23.000People are getting banned less and less.
00:21:25.000You're able to say certain things you used to not be able to say.
00:21:31.000And you can definitely criticize more, I believe, now under the Elon rulership.
00:21:37.000So I'm going to ask a question on behalf of all of our beloved boomers in the audience.
00:21:52.000Just, I like to think that e-girls are provocative, controversial.
00:21:57.000They kind of toe the boundaries of info norms and breaking taboos.
00:22:03.000And yeah, I mean, woke capital just doesn't want a girl having fun online.
00:22:10.000I think girls should be able to have fun and be silly online.
00:22:13.000And that's what being an e-girl is all about.
00:22:16.000Now, to connect the dots, I want our audience to understand that pushing the boundaries online is how we actually get great breakthroughs.
00:22:25.000There were previously taboo topics that were really not in the mainstream, but it would be people such as yourself and other people that start to challenge the consensus.
00:22:38.000The trans issue is a great example of this, right?
00:22:40.000We were told that this is going to be kind of like a civil rights issue.
00:23:30.000They're seeing the biological untruths behind things like transsexualism and et cetera.
00:23:39.000So, I think people just want to get to the truth, right?
00:23:42.000Because what happens when you don't have guardrails on speech is that the truth is allowed to exist.
00:23:50.000And what's happening behind the scenes when guardrails on speech are put into place is that truth or facts are being obscured.
00:24:00.000Maybe free speech itself isn't always truth, but it's a route to truth, as opposed to censored speech, which is just aiming to distract and obscure.
00:24:10.000And I think this is what is pushing this online culture more right.
00:24:16.000Yeah, can you elaborate more and more on that?
00:24:19.000Because if it wasn't for these kind of little corners of the internet that don't get mainstream attention, I don't know if we'd have the ability to, let's just say, clarify our arguments, crisply articulate opposition to the consensus, and then eventually build momentum.
00:24:36.000And I could go through topic after topic.
00:24:38.000The Ukraine war is another example, right?
00:24:41.000Where the entire mainstream apparatus for a long time was demanding that we send money to Ukraine, and a lot of the opposition was happening online.
00:24:49.000And free speech isn't always true, but censorship is always meant to protect lies.
00:24:55.000And free speech allows us to ridicule what is ridiculous.
00:24:58.000Your online persona is very rooted in humor.
00:25:02.000When humorists or satirists are censored, that is the mark of a totalitarian.
00:25:14.000I mean, the tweet that got me fired was a joke.
00:25:17.000It was a politically incorrect joke, but I was poking fun at just the exceedingly woke DIHR department culture that's infiltrated the tech world and just the world itself, right?
00:25:33.000I think we all go on Twitter just to blow off steam because we're just sick of our speech being policed.
00:25:44.000And I kind of use Twitter as like a performance art sketchbook where I just have fun and post stuff and explore like this mimetic boundary with other transgressive people and info pirates.
00:26:02.000I like to think of the dissident rights fear as we're just a bunch of like free speech info pirates.
00:26:09.000Tell our audience, what is the dissident right?
00:26:14.000Yeah, I would say it's kind of a faction of Twitter that has right-leaning views, but we don't consider ourselves traditional conservatives.
00:26:25.000There's a huge spectrum of beliefs where people fall on this.
00:26:30.000In the dissident right, I think we should be classified as dissident weirdos because we're just a bunch of weirdos.
00:26:37.000And the one thing that ties us all together is just being fed up with political correctness and the woke cultural hegemony.
00:26:47.000And we use edgy speech and thought and ideas to put that out there.
00:26:54.000In closing here, Chloe, what is the status of your lawsuit that Elon is helping finance?
00:27:38.000I want to just comment on that, that understand that there's this whole world that exists, sometimes on Reddit, sometimes on the hinterlands of Twitter, where ideas that you might seem to be, it might seem a little bit extreme, they are formulated.
00:28:01.000And then they're introduced into these tributaries that then all of a sudden get picked up, maybe like a show on ours, like a show like ours, or Tucker Carlson, or Jesse Waters.
00:28:12.000And it is an under-appreciated dynamic of the right-wing community and movement are these online influencers that aren't necessarily trying to like have their name be popular, but they want their ideas to be popular.
00:28:31.000In fact, a lot of them operate under anonymous accounts.
00:28:34.000A lot of them will post under pseudonyms.
00:28:40.000And I have a lot of, I think this is a uniquely American thing.
00:28:44.000Remember, the Federalist papers were written under pseudonyms.
00:28:50.000Remember, the Federalist papers were written not under their own name.
00:28:56.000Libs of TikTok, which is one of the biggest accounts out there, started as an anon account.
00:29:01.000And it allows you to be more creative against the threat of cancellation.
00:29:08.000So many big Trump boosters, by the way, in 2015 were anonymous.
00:29:11.000The Trump movement would not have been possible without a huge community of online boosters and supporters that could be called in the dissident right.
00:31:17.000Let me first play this piece of tape, which shows that Trump is outpacing Biden in every category.
00:31:25.000And then I'm going to tell you the one attack vector that the Democrats are running.
00:31:31.000And it could work or it could backfire or it could plateau.
00:31:34.000Might reach a rate of diminishing return, but you cannot turn on your TV here in the state of Arizona without being propagandized on the abortion issue.
00:33:13.000So this isn't just a lesser of two evils that's going on.
00:33:15.000The fact is that Donald Trump is, in fact, better liked than he was four years ago and is better liked than Joe Biden is right now in these battleground states.
00:33:23.000All they have is fear-mongering on abortion.
00:33:26.000I say this is someone who's 100% pro-life.
00:33:28.000If we don't figure out this issue, this is the one issue that they might exploit.
00:33:32.000This is a Gavin Newsom-financed advertisement that is being run on television nonstop.
00:33:37.000So these advertisements are pure propaganda and manipulation where they will say that women are bleeding out and dying because they cannot get abortions.
00:33:50.000And I'll tell you, the advertisements are powerful.
00:33:53.000If you didn't know better, you would think that Donald Trump is this craven, awful person.
00:33:58.000We need to respect that we are a pro-life party and we have to figure out some way to navigate this issue.