The Charlie Kirk Show - Joe Kent and Tyler Robinson

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It is March 24th, 2026.

00:01:14.000 Blake, how you doing?

00:01:16.000 I was better a few minutes ago, Andrew.

00:01:18.000 And we will get into that in just a second.

00:01:20.000 So, moments ago, a new report from journalist Michael Schellenberger dropped.

00:01:27.000 As you know, yesterday we covered the backstory, but what really happened with the screen grabs, the notorious screen grabs now.

00:01:37.000 And I revealed to this audience that I did, in fact, share that screen grab with Joe Kent.

00:01:44.000 And Joe suggested that I leak that publicly.

00:01:47.000 I declined.

00:01:48.000 He actually, I went back through our messages and he suggested I do so twice.

00:01:52.000 I declined.

00:01:53.000 Obviously, those were private messages.

00:01:55.000 I wanted to keep them private for Charlie's sake.

00:01:58.000 I thought it was honoring my friend.

00:02:00.000 Anyway, so this new report comes out from Schellenberger, and it says, as you see on your screen, that Joe Kent says he's willing to testify at the trial of Tyler Robinson.

00:02:14.000 So this is obviously a huge bombshell and escalates everything to a much bigger level.

00:02:20.000 I have reached out to Michael Schellenberger, and he has agreed to come on the show today.

00:02:25.000 He interviewed Joe Kent for this report.

00:02:27.000 So these are Joe Kent's own words.

00:02:30.000 It's going to be an important conversation.

00:02:31.000 And Blake, let's just take this out a step and explain why this is actually a really important thing.

00:02:40.000 As you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories that we do not indulge, that we do not discuss.

00:02:46.000 This is different.

00:02:47.000 Joe Kent was a government official at a very important post, and now he's saying he's willing to testify ostensibly on behalf of Tyler Robinson.

00:02:58.000 Yes.

00:03:00.000 This is a bigger deal.

00:03:01.000 This is a line crossed that we have not seen.

00:03:04.000 Yes, I mean, let's just recite it where he says, Kent, this is Schellenberger's reporting on Substek.

00:03:11.000 Kent said he knew he might be called as a witness before he made his statements that a quote foreign nexus may have been involved in Kirk's assassination.

00:03:20.000 I was definitely warned of that over and over again, said Kent.

00:03:24.000 If I end up having to play that role, then I'll do it.

00:03:27.000 It's not something I'm seeking.

00:03:28.000 When pressed that his testimony could help the Robinson defense, Kent said, then honestly, so be it.

00:03:34.000 If it gets us to the truth, that's obviously the risk I'm taking.

00:03:39.000 Neither Robinson's attorneys nor the prosecuting attorneys responded to a request for comment.

00:03:43.000 And then looks, I'm not sure if there's more I might have to pay for Schellenberger's subscription.

00:03:47.000 Yeah.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, I'm sure it does go further.

00:03:51.000 And we're going to, like I said, be talking to Michael Schellenberger.

00:03:54.000 And this to me is This is Galaxy Brain run amok.

00:04:01.000 And let me explain why I say that.

00:04:04.000 Jonathan Turley, who is a, I guess he's a contributor to Fox News, legal contributor.

00:04:10.000 He's a professor of law at George Washington University, said that 90% of the evidence accumulated against Tyler Robinson could be thrown out.

00:04:20.000 So the defense could be successful in throwing out 90% of the evidence, and he would still be found guilty of murder.

00:04:28.000 Let's refresh people.

00:04:29.000 There is a murder weapon that was found near the site of the shooting.

00:04:34.000 It was owned by Tyler Robinson's family.

00:04:36.000 Given to him by his grandpa.

00:04:37.000 Of the caliber used to shoot Charlie.

00:04:40.000 It has his DNA all over it.

00:04:42.000 All over the casings.

00:04:44.000 They release a photo of the shooter.

00:04:45.000 They are not able to find him otherwise.

00:04:48.000 Tyler Robinson's parents see that photo and think that looks like Tyler.

00:04:53.000 They begin asking him things like, where is your, I believe it was his grandfather's gun.

00:04:58.000 They start asking him this.

00:04:59.000 Tyler Robinson starts talking like he might kill himself.

00:05:03.000 They get a friend of the family to sit down with him.

00:05:05.000 He actually, he admits that it's him.

00:05:08.000 They get him to drive up to Oram and turn himself in.

00:05:11.000 His parents helped him turn him in.

00:05:13.000 And you run into people who say that that didn't happen or that's fabricated.

00:05:17.000 There's digital confessions.

00:05:18.000 There's digital confessions, but also his parents are out there.

00:05:21.000 They have never stepped forward and said this is a lie.

00:05:24.000 They could easily do that.

00:05:25.000 It would be trivial to do that if it was the case.

00:05:27.000 They have not done that.

00:05:29.000 His parents turned him in.

00:05:30.000 That is the most obvious piece of evidence in the world that nothing can argue around.

00:05:36.000 And some people are so obsessed with the same conspiracies that they concoct for every other thing that ever happens.

00:05:44.000 And so they have to shove it into this one too because they care more about their conspiracy theories than about the person who murdered my friend facing justice.

00:05:54.000 I am fed up with it.

00:05:55.000 Yeah, and you should be.

00:05:57.000 And this is, I mean, this is a tough job for us today, to be honest, because this is really personal.

00:06:07.000 I have been open to everything.

00:06:09.000 I think, candidly, I don't get enough credit for even the fact that I shared these group chats in the first place.

00:06:16.000 We shared a lot of information about trans, about Charlie, how Charlie was more concerned about than any other community about the trans coming after him.

00:06:25.000 You want to know the truth?

00:06:26.000 That's actually the truth.

00:06:28.000 I heard over the course of the last two years of Charlie's life, probably about 50 references of how he knew the trans Tifa was going to come after him.

00:06:37.000 And he was worried about that.

00:06:39.000 That's the truth.

00:06:40.000 Never mentioned one time about the Jews, okay?

00:06:43.000 Never once.

00:06:44.000 And here's why it's so frustrating is because there is going to be even more evidence that is presented to the public in May at the evidentiary hearing.

00:06:54.000 Okay?

00:06:55.000 And it's a mountain of evidence, some of which has been made public, some of which has not been made public yet.

00:07:02.000 And the prosecution is going to lay out its case against Tyler Robinson.

00:07:06.000 And I'm told it's a whopper.

00:07:07.000 I'm told they've got this guy dead to rights.

00:07:11.000 And meanwhile, you have government officials that are now saying on the record to journalists they are willing to testify on behalf of the defense to get, ostensibly, to get Tyler Robinson off the hook for something that he did.

00:07:26.000 And so the level of betrayal that I currently feel is dramatic and extreme.

00:07:34.000 The level of just frustration, the idiocy that is on full display, we have to call it out because if this ends up screwing up the jury pool, if this ends up in some ways getting a hung jury, getting This case thrown out, or even just getting the death penalty off the case, off the potential list of consequences here.

00:07:58.000 I'm not going to be happy with that. 0.83

00:08:01.000 I'm telling you that as somebody who was open to all different options, I didn't care where the truth led.

00:08:07.000 This is where the truth led.

00:08:09.000 This is it. 0.98

00:08:10.000 And for any fair-minded person, this is crackpot conspiracy garbage brain rot stuff. 0.95

00:08:15.000 And now it's gotten really serious. 0.98

00:08:17.000 This isn't podcaster junk. 0.91

00:08:19.000 This isn't like social media conspiracy nonsense. 0.75

00:08:22.000 This is an actual government official who's now going to be called to testify on behalf of the defense.

00:08:27.000 And that is a bridge too far.

00:08:29.000 That is a line in the sand that we must hold because this could negatively impact the trial of the assassin of my friend, of Blake's friend.

00:08:38.000 So that's the breaking news.

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00:09:44.000 All right.

00:09:45.000 As we mentioned earlier, we were going to be joined by Michael Schellenberg, and he's joining us now.

00:09:51.000 Welcome to the show, Michael.

00:09:53.000 It's great to have you.

00:09:54.000 Thank you for, you know, we talked this morning after your story broke.

00:09:58.000 And boy, oh boy, this is a big one.

00:10:01.000 And you interviewed Joe Kent, and so I'll let you say it in your own words.

00:10:05.000 What did he tell you?

00:10:06.000 Hey, thanks for having me on, Andrew, inviting me on.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty big news.

00:10:10.000 Joe Kent, of course, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, has been saying for the last week that he thinks that he doesn't buy the lone shooter theory of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:10:24.000 He suspects there's a foreign nexus, was the words he used involved in that assassination.

00:10:30.000 He said that the FBI prevented him from investigating it and that he viewed that as suspicious.

00:10:38.000 And if there was nothing there, he told me then why did they prevent him from investigating it?

00:10:44.000 I asked him if he was aware before he went public last week that Tyler Robinson, the suspected assassin of Charlie Kirk, that his defense attorneys might actually call Kent to the witness stand to argue that Robinson could not be convicted because the prosecutors had not given them all the information they had available to them.

00:11:08.000 That's something known as the Brady rule, named after a Supreme Court decision, I believe in the 1960s.

00:11:14.000 But nonetheless, most people are familiar with it from television, which is that the prosecutors can't deny, federal government can't deny, the government can't deny the defense any information.

00:11:24.000 And Kent is saying that there is information and that the investigation itself was inadequate.

00:11:30.000 And that, you know, I spoke to a constitutional law legal scholar yesterday who said, you know, it would be a no-brainer for the defense attorneys now for Robinson to use Kent's statements as a way to gain an advantage or potentially a hung jury or a mistrial or something of that nature.

00:11:49.000 So it's pretty serious for people that are interested in seeing justice served with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:11:57.000 Well, listen, Michael, I know that you have to be sort of dispassionate.

00:12:00.000 You're a reporter.

00:12:02.000 But to me, this feels like a giant red line.

00:12:04.000 This feels like Galaxy Brain run amok.

00:12:08.000 Did you get a chance to ask him just straight up?

00:12:11.000 Just because he didn't get let into the investigation doesn't mean it wasn't investigated.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, I mean, thanks.

00:12:18.000 I appreciate the point.

00:12:19.000 I mean, I'm trying to, you know, I mean, the truth is I actually like kind of everybody involved in this.

00:12:24.000 I've always, I've actually admired Kent and the things he said in the past.

00:12:30.000 I also care a lot about the transgender issue.

00:12:34.000 We reported it exclusively on leaked files.

00:12:36.000 I'm amazing on this issue, Michael.

00:12:39.000 Just to underscore your point, you have been one of the lead voices exposing some of the craziness and the zaniness behind the transgender radical trans ideology. 1.00

00:12:51.000 So I just wanted to give you some bona fides there.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, obviously it's a big issue.

00:12:54.000 Thank you.

00:12:56.000 And I think many Americans felt that they didn't need to pay attention to the issue at all.

00:13:00.000 But now we've seen trans-identified people engaged in shootings, obviously, or maybe not obviously, probably obviously to your audience, it was the last thing that Charlie Kirk was talking about before he was assassinated.

00:13:15.000 It appears as though the evidence that Tyler Robinson committed that assassination is pretty overwhelming.

00:13:21.000 And to be fair to Joe Kent, he didn't dispute that.

00:13:25.000 What's really what he's raising here is that there may be some broader conspiracy.

00:13:31.000 And there's not a lot of evidence for that.

00:13:36.000 But nonetheless, because Kent is such an important voice, he could easily be used by the defense attorneys.

00:13:44.000 I did directly ask him repeatedly that, you know, given that his agency is an intelligence gathering, a really intelligence synthesizing and coordinating agencies, part of the broader coordinating intelligence mission of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, he didn't have the authorities to do a law enforcement investigation.

00:14:04.000 It was an FBI investigation.

00:14:05.000 And didn't he sort of need to trust that his colleagues at the FBI and elsewhere or also with the Utah police, law enforcement, at some point, you can pass along a tip or an idea, but don't you at some point have to sort of trust unless you have other evidence, you know, and I asked him if he had other evidence of some sort of corruption or conspiracy.

00:14:28.000 And he said he didn't.

00:14:30.000 So it kind of raises the question of, you know, what is this sort of based on?

00:14:35.000 Because I think it's worth pointing out to people that the restrictions on Kent's authority to investigate the Kirk murder are not arbitrary.

00:14:43.000 It's not something that Director Kash Patel, whatever you think of him, sort of invented as a way to stymie a proper investigation.

00:14:51.000 Those restrictions on investigative power are what protect us as citizens.

00:14:56.000 It's written into our Constitution.

00:14:58.000 It's part of our lock-in system of government.

00:15:01.000 And I think we saw the intelligence community abuse those powers to create the Russia Gate hoax, you know, the Russia Gate conspiracy hoax.

00:15:11.000 So, and it's not just that.

00:15:12.000 I mean, we can go through, you know, that wasn't the first time the intelligence community had abused its powers.

00:15:17.000 But when you go through, so these the restrictions on Kent that I think for people that maybe haven't thought about it a lot or haven't, you know, that don't work, don't aren't familiar with the intricacies of why these laws exist, I think it's important context.

00:15:33.000 Like these laws are not there to prevent a thorough investigation or to cover up things.

00:15:37.000 And it certainly wasn't a subjective determination by the FBI director.

00:15:42.000 It's written into laws, and those laws are there, you know, first and foremost to protect us, obviously.

00:15:47.000 But obviously, part of the process of protecting innocent civilians is also to make sure that you get the guilty party and you don't go off and engage in activities that would potentially entrap innocent people.

00:16:00.000 So, two questions for you, Michael.

00:16:02.000 So, first of all, I just want to really harp on this point.

00:16:05.000 He didn't present any, did he present a single example of evidence against Tyler Robinson that he believes may have been flawed or mistaken on one end?

00:16:16.000 And on the other end, did he give you a single concrete example of evidence in the case that he believes specifically that went uninvestigated by the FBI or by any other law enforcement?

00:16:31.000 I'm afraid I can't answer all of these questions because I have to protect, but I will say that he presented nothing on the record and hasn't presented anything on the record.

00:16:43.000 Okay.

00:16:45.000 So, I want to love to follow up on that, but I have a feeling that we're going to, yeah, there's nothing you can you can say.

00:16:53.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 I mean, here's here's the problem, though.

00:16:56.000 So, he's now essentially said that he's willing to go testify ostensibly on behalf of the defense on Tyler Robinson's defense.

00:17:06.000 I've heard him say in other interviews that, you know, he said, I'm sure there's a slam dunk case against Tyler Robinson.

00:17:14.000 I'm not saying it wasn't him, but now it seems like almost he's moved on from that point.

00:17:20.000 Did you ascertain his sense, his internal sense of the guilt of Tyler Robinson or not?

00:17:26.000 Well, this is, let's get into this part because this is extremely important and important to understand.

00:17:32.000 And I posted all of the on the record portions of our interview, I posted and also was very careful to make sure that the stuff that was posted was on the record after the fact, confirmed it with Kent earlier today before publishing.

00:17:49.000 So everything that's in that recording, it's over 30 minutes.

00:17:53.000 I think what's he also said that he thought that there was a strong case against Robinson, and I don't think he's changed that view.

00:18:01.000 I'm not, well, I should put it this way.

00:18:04.000 I don't think anybody in the media had yet asked him directly and kind of consistently if he was aware that his allegations could be used by Robinson's defense team to argue that Robinson was potentially a victim of a wider conspiracy.

00:18:24.000 And Kent said that he was aware of that before going public.

00:18:28.000 The Brady rule is not an obscure rule.

00:18:31.000 I mean, everybody knows that the defense attorneys are going to need to know everything that went into some investigation, any government investigation.

00:18:38.000 That's a really important civil liberties protection.

00:18:43.000 And similarly, it's a protection, it's a protection of the innocent.

00:18:46.000 It's a strong protection of people, of defendants that people may be very convinced are already guilty, but it's also there to make sure that you're not, like we've been talking about, abusing those authorities.

00:18:59.000 But he said he was aware of that.

00:19:01.000 He said he wasn't like volunteering to testify, but he said he was aware that he might be asked to investigate.

00:19:07.000 And like I said, I think if I'd be shocked if Robinson's attorneys don't use this.

00:19:12.000 Well, of course.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, this is the obvious, this is the obvious result of this, is that he's doing this PR tour.

00:19:19.000 And that's what infuriates me is he's like endlessly, he's like someone who's vague posting on Facebook where he's like, ooh, there's things I might know.

00:19:28.000 People should know.

00:19:29.000 I might.

00:19:29.000 But I can't tell you what those are.

00:19:31.000 But I can't go on the record with this reporter that I'm talking to.

00:19:34.000 I can't.

00:19:36.000 State what you actually think happened.

00:19:38.000 If you want to do that, you can at least argue with him.

00:19:40.000 But like this endless appeal to, well, I had the senior job.

00:19:43.000 I saw things everywhere.

00:19:45.000 I'm sick and tired of seeing this.

00:19:47.000 And I always see it from the same people who are maximally conspiratorial.

00:19:52.000 Here's what I want everybody to know.

00:19:53.000 Shortly after Tyler Robinson's arrest, the prosecutors released a probable cause affidavit detailing the evidence gathered immediately after Charlie's assassination.

00:20:04.000 The evidence presented at that time was overwhelming.

00:20:07.000 But people also need to remember this.

00:20:09.000 In the months that have followed, we know the investigation has continued.

00:20:14.000 More details will come out in May when the assassin has a probable cause hearing, and we are certain there will be even more evidence submitted against Tyler Robinson by the state.

00:20:26.000 And that's a so the frustration here, Michael, is that we have this vacuum, this void that's been created where the investigation is kind of still ongoing.

00:20:36.000 They're still gathering it, getting it presentable for this May probable cause hearing, but the internet never stops.

00:20:43.000 And Joe Kent resigned when he did, and now he's doing this PR tour.

00:20:46.000 And it really does, and I want to get this through the audience's head.

00:20:51.000 This really does have a potential to not only taint a jury pool, but to undermine the very prosecution of Tyler Robinson, who I am 100% convinced pulled the trigger and killed Charlie Kirk.

00:21:04.000 Could you just speak to that?

00:21:06.000 Yeah, sure.

00:21:07.000 I mean, I think, you know, the first thing that's just worth acknowledging is that, you know, the American people, all of us, have seen, you know, real world conspiracies exposed.

00:21:19.000 And I mean, by conspiracies, you know, illegal secret activity by the government.

00:21:23.000 Russia Gate collusion hoax is the most famous.

00:21:26.000 We uncovered a censorship industrial complex whereby government officials working with intelligence community officials or recently departed intelligence community officials pressured social media companies to engage in mass censorship.

00:21:41.000 We saw a cover-up of the science of COVID's origins almost certainly in a laboratory in China.

00:21:49.000 So I think Americans are, and that's not even to get into other spectacular potential conspiracies like JFK or UAE.

00:21:56.000 We've been on all of that stuff as well, Michael.

00:21:58.000 I'm not, we like the conspiracy theorists have been proven right about a lot, but that was before you had people that Charlie helped get in these positions in the first place, you know, as part of the investigative arm.

00:22:10.000 You know, I just, anyways, I'm sorry, I cut you off.

00:22:12.000 Please.

00:22:13.000 Well, no, so I mean, I think that's just important context that I, you know, I'm, I'm, my opponent, my critics call me, they accuse me of being an irresponsible conspiracy theorist.

00:22:22.000 So, but I also just think it's important, you know, obviously, that you have evidence to allege potential, you know, you know, really strong evidence, especially behind really strong allegations like this one.

00:22:36.000 And I think a lot of times right now, you know, because the social media and podcasting is so powerful that I think, you know, it's fun, it's entertaining.

00:22:47.000 You know, everybody loves a good conspiracy theory.

00:22:49.000 And I think that's, you know, I think actually some amount of speculation is necessary.

00:22:54.000 I think you should ask.

00:22:56.000 Asking even outrageous questions is totally appropriate.

00:22:59.000 I think too, I think, though, that there are consequences potentially if that starts to affect things like juries, you know, and it starts to, you know, I think the point is that we want to have trust in our institutions.

00:23:14.000 It's not that we want to be in a state of permanent distrust.

00:23:17.000 We need to have, that's why you need irregular changes of government to have, you know, clean house.

00:23:23.000 I have seen no evidence that anybody in this administration would do anything.

00:23:29.000 I mean, this is an administration that's absolutely passionate about Charlie Kirk.

00:23:34.000 You know, I think everybody knows that the reaction from the Trump administration, the White House, all the federal agencies was of just shock and horror and outrage.

00:23:43.000 So I just don't see how any broader conspiracy could be either carried out or covered up in the ways that I think Joe Ken is suggesting here.

00:23:56.000 And so, you know, like, you know, if there, there's just really not anything here that would suggest that there's a cover-up going on that I'm seeing or that anybody else was involved than Tyler Robinson.

00:24:10.000 You know, and I think Kent at one point sort of, or a couple of points maybe in the interview, sort of agreed that you don't need anybody else.

00:24:18.000 I mean, Tyler Robinson, you know, it appears from the evidence that's been released so far, there's ample motive and a lot of evidence that he did it.

00:24:28.000 So I don't, I just don't see the need to add something else to it.

00:24:32.000 And again, you would think, well, maybe it's just for fun and, you know, just, you know, podcasting entertainment.

00:24:38.000 But in this case, I think the consequences could be quite serious.

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 And that's what I think we're all terrified of.

00:24:44.000 And I just want to make a point here.

00:24:47.000 I am for asking questions.

00:24:49.000 This is why I shared the group chat with Joe Kent in the first place.

00:24:53.000 I'm not afraid of the answer to those questions.

00:24:56.000 If Israel had a hand in killing Charlie, I want to know.

00:24:59.000 I wanted to know.

00:25:01.000 What I'm telling you is that we've had six months plus since that time to track down all those leads, none of which have been corroborated, none of which have actionable evidence behind, none of which have been presented in any way, shape, or form to suggest there was a probable that there's any evidence.

00:25:19.000 Overwhelming evidence very rapidly as well.

00:25:21.000 There's zero evidence.

00:25:22.000 That's my point.

00:25:24.000 Yeah, I am willing to ask the hard questions.

00:25:26.000 We want the truth.

00:25:28.000 But when there's no evidence and there's no facts that would back up those questions, then you have to say, okay, moving on.

00:25:35.000 You couldn't corroborate it.

00:25:35.000 All right.

00:25:36.000 Okay.

00:25:37.000 So I'm not anti-asking questions.

00:25:39.000 I'm not anti-conspiracy theories.

00:25:41.000 I'm open to it all.

00:25:43.000 But you have to have facts.

00:25:43.000 Okay.

00:25:45.000 And the recklessness with which these accusations are being thrown out now has real world implications.

00:25:50.000 And I just, it's this brain rot, Michael, that's driving me insane being on the other side of it.

00:25:56.000 I will never look at a conspiracy theory the same way having been on this side of it because people make jumps to conclusions, they jump to conclusions.

00:26:03.000 They connect disparate pieces of evidence and they connect them in ways that don't make any sense.

00:26:09.000 So anyways, I guess final minute to you, Michael.

00:26:12.000 Where does this leave us and what do you expect to happen next?

00:26:15.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, I, you know, having worked on this for now a couple of days and really it's been heavy focus on it, I kind of walk away just reminded that these restrictions on what intelligence agencies can do are really good and important and we wouldn't want to reduce those protections.

00:26:33.000 I'm not seeing evidence of a wider conspiracy.

00:26:36.000 I don't think anyone's presented evidence of that.

00:26:39.000 I am very worried about this affecting the trial.

00:26:43.000 I think most people, when they think about what's occurred now, would share that concern.

00:26:49.000 And, you know, I think that people sometimes want to have a bigger meaning for the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:26:55.000 Like it couldn't just be one guy.

00:26:57.000 I mean, because the assassination is just, it's one of the, you know, most significant political assassinations in American history.

00:27:05.000 And so to kind of go, it was just a guy, you know, you know, that had a maybe a furry fetish and a trans-identified boyfriend.

00:27:14.000 I think for a lot of people, that might feel like not big enough or something or significant enough.

00:27:19.000 And I would say it is big enough.

00:27:22.000 I mean, Charlie Kirk's whole legacy is tied up with him not going along with the idea that he needed to agree with a belief that you could change your sex or that men could become women.

00:27:32.000 It's a powerful insight, Michael.

00:27:34.000 We got to wrap it up.

00:27:35.000 That's a powerful insight.

00:27:36.000 It's not psychologically satisfying enough, the truth, for some people, but the truth has to be the truth at some point.

00:27:42.000 Thank you, Michael, for joining us on short notice.

00:27:44.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:30:22.000 You, Blake, and Jack Pesobic did a pick up the mic event.

00:30:26.000 We did.

00:30:27.000 We did.

00:30:27.000 We did you yesterday.

00:30:28.000 We did.

00:30:28.000 How'd it go?

00:30:29.000 I was super nervous beforehand, and once it began, I love that about you that you're willing to admit that you were nervous.

00:30:34.000 You know, that's actually what we talked about.

00:30:36.000 We spoke for a few minutes, and I just talked.

00:30:39.000 You know, I know obviously Charlie is far more memorable, remembered, looked up to than I am.

00:30:44.000 So I talked about the process that went into it.

00:30:46.000 It's a conversation I had with Brian on our team once where he said, one of the most common questions Charlie would get is, Charlie, how can I be like you?

00:30:54.000 And Brian would say, they don't actually want to be like him because it's a ton of work because Charlie had to be so disciplined with his time in a way that most people just cannot manage.

00:31:04.000 He was studying all the time.

00:31:05.000 He was prepping all the time.

00:31:07.000 And I told the story, you know, the last conversation I had with him, you know, why is monogamy great?

00:31:11.000 Like, let's get all the talking points.

00:31:13.000 That was a great time.

00:31:14.000 We were on that group chat together.

00:31:15.000 It was a great conversation, but it was also, that was daily life for him, always getting those talking points.

00:31:20.000 And that Charlie, he succeeded so much because he failed so much that any debate, he didn't do perfectly.

00:31:27.000 Any debate, I mean, he lost some debates.

00:31:29.000 And that was always the chance to get better.

00:31:32.000 So we talked about that at the start, which I thought was a very good tribute to him.

00:31:37.000 And then they asked us questions, a lot of different ones.

00:31:39.000 And I finally felt what it was like to be Charlie.

00:31:43.000 Did you get challenged?

00:31:45.000 What kind of questions they asked you?

00:31:46.000 Man, I didn't join in this one.

00:31:48.000 Jack got a question about the Spanish Civil War, which I'm a big history dork, so I kind of wanted to jump in, but it was aimed at Jack because Jack had talked about it.

00:31:55.000 We got a question about anti-Semitism on the right, so that was a good one to answer because, let's be real, it is going up.

00:32:01.000 It is increasing.

00:32:02.000 It is something we run into a lot.

00:32:04.000 I think I did an okay answer on that.

00:32:06.000 I think there's a few things I would have added if I could have, if I could revisit it.

00:32:10.000 Foz says, one of our producers said, Blake hit a home run on the Israel first question.

00:32:14.000 Oh, it was all right.

00:32:15.000 It was all right.

00:32:17.000 So these are going to be clipped up and put on social.

00:32:20.000 Just like we got a question about global warming.

00:32:22.000 That felt like a blast from the past.

00:32:24.000 You don't have a lot of people asking about global warming anymore.

00:32:28.000 It's very 2014 era liberalism back when.

00:32:30.000 You know, it's funny.

00:32:32.000 You still can't get those clips on Facebook.

00:32:36.000 I think they'll still get if you if you don't tow the oh, there's still it's like a vestigial.

00:32:42.000 It's gonna be a vestigial thing.

00:32:44.000 Like they, you know, AI will have cooked everyone's brains. 0.76

00:32:46.000 They won't know how to change the code to make it so you can't sell it.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, because it doesn't exist on some of the social media platforms.

00:32:51.000 No, but it actually is very funny.

00:32:53.000 Just you don't run into it that much because they moved on to systemic racism or whatever.

00:32:57.000 But we still have the remnants of it.

00:32:59.000 Like, you know, you still can't get a plastic straw in Tempe, I think.

00:33:02.000 Seriously?

00:33:03.000 Well, I don't know.

00:33:04.000 I got a paper straw the other day when I was at a restaurant and I found it really annoying.

00:33:07.000 So this was interesting.

00:33:11.000 So we wrapped the show yesterday, and then like almost immediately after we're done with it, we get told that there are protesters out front.

00:33:19.000 And I think we have some pictures here, if the team can show them up.

00:33:22.000 So it's this other group.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, so they're outside and they got a film crew.

00:33:27.000 And then, so Blake, I didn't even see Blake after the show.

00:33:29.000 Like, you were just gone.

00:33:31.000 And then I was like, where did Blake go?

00:33:32.000 And they were like, oh, protesters out front.

00:33:34.000 You got to go confront them.

00:33:36.000 And I was like, I do.

00:33:37.000 You know, that doesn't seem like a security protocol.

00:33:40.000 So I was like, all right.

00:33:42.000 So, but that turns out it's this progressive group that we mentioned were flipping off Charlie's memorial and doing all sorts of deranged things outside of the HQ before that, the day before that or over the weekend.

00:33:56.000 So I joined Blake out there.

00:33:59.000 And then next thing I know, Jack is out there.

00:34:01.000 It was such a funny conversation because they were mad.

00:34:04.000 I mean, they were posting images of them flipping off a memorial and all of that.

00:34:07.000 And they were mad because they blamed us for getting an event of theirs at ASU canceled.

00:34:13.000 And we go out and they ask us about this.

00:34:14.000 And we just go, speaking truthfully, that wasn't us.

00:34:18.000 We don't have that kind of pull with ASU.

00:34:20.000 They, in fact, quite dislike us.

00:34:23.000 And then it was almost like they hadn't considered that possibility.

00:34:26.000 And they instantly got more fun.

00:34:27.000 They're like, oh, well, yeah, that makes sense.

00:34:29.000 Yeah, because our day event also got disallowed.

00:34:33.000 I actually was confused.

00:34:34.000 I thought until I hadn't really been paying close to the moment.

00:34:37.000 So I thought the event was actually going to be around noon.

00:34:40.000 So this is true.

00:34:40.000 I came in.

00:34:41.000 I go, what time's your pick up the mic?

00:34:43.000 And he's like, ah, this afternoon.

00:34:46.000 I was like, I thought it was a night event.

00:34:47.000 And nobody had told Blake.

00:34:49.000 Well, they told me and I hadn't looked close.

00:34:51.000 So when they sent me the announcement, I didn't want to look at it because it had my dorky mugshot looking photo.

00:34:51.000 I'm self-conscious.

00:34:56.000 And so I was like, I actually love that you were nervous because it shows the reverence that you have for CK and just how many reps he put in in that format.

00:35:06.000 And it is a powerful format because it really is the collision of ideas and there is nothing off limits and it's mental sparring and you got to make your point.

00:35:14.000 As a matter of fact, when we went out to confront this left-wing group that was taking all these terrible pictures, that was my first thing.

00:35:21.000 They were like, they started with, look, do you condemn President Trump for what he said about Bob Moeller? 0.98

00:35:28.000 And I was like, Do you condemn your friend over here for flipping off Charlie's memorial and doing all this other gross crap? 0.82

00:35:36.000 And her response was, Well, I thought that you guys canceled our event.

00:35:40.000 So I take it back and I'm sorry, I'll delete that post.

00:35:43.000 It's like, even if we did cancel your event, which we didn't, you should not be doing that.

00:35:48.000 You're a grown woman that is giving into this like online culture of just being, you know, really gross. 0.90

00:35:55.000 And by the way, like when you've done the reps that Turning Point's done with all these campuses across the country, maybe then we'll take you more seriously. 0.99

00:36:02.000 Up until now, you guys are just a bunch of trolls. 0.97

00:36:04.000 And I don't take you seriously. 0.98

00:36:06.000 I don't because all you're trying to do is leech off what we're doing.

00:36:10.000 You're trying to draft off what we've done and what we've built, what Charlie built.

00:36:14.000 And so, you know, good luck, I guess.

00:36:17.000 And welcome to university bureaucracy.

00:36:19.000 This is how it works.

00:36:20.000 You know, you win some, you lose some.

00:36:22.000 By the way, this is a lot of people.

00:36:23.000 I'll initially get a kick out of them thinking like we would want to shut down a left-wing group that would ask questions at our events because very obviously there's a symbiotic relationship there.

00:36:34.000 Like we want liberals to show up at our events because that's how you get the debate. 0.75

00:36:39.000 That's how that's how you get viral clips.

00:36:41.000 Charlie would never want to go to a campus and only get people who agree with him.

00:36:44.000 That would be incredibly lame.

00:36:46.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:36:47.000 And by the way, it's like we don't, first of all, we're not threatened by it.

00:36:52.000 Second of all, I didn't even know who these people were.

00:36:54.000 I mean, I knew kind of a little bit from Texas A ⁇ M.

00:36:58.000 They tried to counter our event or something.

00:37:01.000 And that was a great event.

00:37:02.000 And then my favorite part about that event was when they tried to counter-program us, the sprinklers turned on.

00:37:11.000 That was probably our doing too.

00:37:13.000 We probably have more pull at A ⁇ M than we do at ACU.

00:37:15.000 We probably had the keys to the sprinkler system.

00:37:19.000 And we probably, no, that didn't happen.

00:37:22.000 This is what's hauling in.

00:37:23.000 No, it was like, no, it's the time.

00:37:26.000 Go now.

00:37:28.000 And anyway, so it was kind of a fun little moment, but it kind of, and there was all this press energy.

00:37:33.000 Like, everybody wanted to see what we were doing at ASU versus the, I got these inquiries, like, did you block their event?

00:37:41.000 I'm like, no, but they would love for you to think that we did.

00:37:43.000 Okay.

00:37:44.000 Like, so it was, it was kind of a nothing burger in the end, but nevertheless, fun to get back on campus.

00:37:50.000 Fun to see you guys doing it and honor Charlie that way.

00:37:52.000 So I was proud of you guys and more to come.

00:37:54.000 I think I'm going to do GCU soon, which will be fun here in the Valley.

00:37:58.000 So we'll keep you posted on that.

00:38:00.000 And as the clips come up, maybe we'll show some of them on the show.

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00:39:17.000 When you see ICE agents being deployed, what goes through your mind is I like it.

00:39:24.000 I mean, I think Trump's going to holler at all.

00:39:26.000 I like it.

00:39:27.000 Most of the travelers we spoke with say, well, it's disappointing the current shutdown is having a negative impact on TSA staff.

00:39:33.000 They're pleased to see ICE agents stepping in.

00:39:35.000 They're protecting us.

00:39:36.000 Yeah.

00:39:39.000 Well, people love their ICE agents at the airports.

00:39:42.000 Lines, wait times are dropping like crazy.

00:39:44.000 You know, we have like the thin blue line, the thin red line.

00:39:47.000 Is this like the thin security line?

00:39:50.000 Thin cold line?

00:39:51.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:39:52.000 The thin ice line.

00:39:53.000 Here to help us break this down is none other than Borders Art Tom Homan, National Treasurer.

00:39:59.000 Thank you, sir, for joining us and making the time.

00:40:02.000 What can you tell us about what we're seeing, ICE agents at our airports?

00:40:07.000 I think President Trump made a brilliant move.

00:40:09.000 He called me late Saturday night with this idea, and I liked it.

00:40:16.000 I mean, ICE agents are being paid.

00:40:19.000 TSA agents aren't.

00:40:21.000 Lines are backing up.

00:40:24.000 And this heightened security posture we're in right now, because it's going on in the world, we need to secure the airports.

00:40:29.000 We need to secure the airways.

00:40:31.000 And we need to get American people through those lines.

00:40:34.000 I mean, especially now during spring break and Easter and so forth.

00:40:37.000 So I thought it was a great idea.

00:40:39.000 And so I've worked very closely with the ICE director and the acting administrator of TSA.

00:40:45.000 We put that plan together in less than 24 hours.

00:40:48.000 And now we're sitting in about 16 airports now.

00:40:51.000 There'll be a few more added.

00:40:54.000 It's going to constantly be changing, but we're there filling jobs that's going to release more TSA agents to work right in those security lines, especially the x-ray machines and the administration and secondary security, where they're very well trained to do.

00:41:11.000 We're going to take people that are doing other security jobs and we're going to fill those gaps so they can release those highly trained TSA officials to help with the lines, maybe open up more lines because we got more people looking at X-ray monitors.

00:41:24.000 So it's a great idea.

00:41:26.000 And I think the lines are going down quickly.

00:41:29.000 And I think President Trump not only made airports more secure, more safe, he's moving the traveling public through quicker.

00:41:38.000 I love it.

00:41:39.000 Well, I mean, I put up a few posts on X yesterday and they went viral because everybody loves this idea, Mr. Borders are.

00:41:47.000 But it does raise this other thing that's getting the Democrats all freaked out.

00:41:51.000 And we'll just have President Trump in his own words describe it.

00:41:54.000 SOT 3.

00:41:55.000 Will we see arrests for illegal migrant arrests at airports, sir?

00:41:59.000 Will we see ICE arresting illegal migrants at airports?

00:42:02.000 Are we talking about the city?

00:42:03.000 That's why the Democrats are going crazy because they've allowed by what they did and the holdout, we put ICE who are a very high-level.

00:42:13.000 I mean, they really are a high-level group of people.

00:42:16.000 And they love it because they're able to now arrest illegals as they come into the country. 1.00

00:42:22.000 That's very fertile territory.

00:42:24.000 But that's not why they're there.

00:42:26.000 They're really there to help.

00:42:27.000 All right.

00:42:28.000 So it's very fertile.

00:42:29.000 I've thought about this a lot, Mr. Bordersar, that the airports are where so much of this is happening.

00:42:35.000 So it makes sense to have ICE agents there.

00:42:38.000 Explain how that will work.

00:42:40.000 Will they be processing somebody through the security line?

00:42:43.000 And then they'll be like, oh, you're actually an illegal immigrant.

00:42:45.000 And you're now going to be removed from the country.

00:42:49.000 Well, look, you know, CBP and ICE have always had a presence at the airports.

00:42:55.000 Not a big presence because we do a lot of human trafficking investigations, smuggling investigations, bulk cash smuggling.

00:43:04.000 So we have a presence there.

00:43:07.000 CBP also has a presence there because they're the ones that screen everybody coming into the country from other nations.

00:43:14.000 So, but we're looking our number one mission, as the president said, is support TSA and move those lines quicker and enhance security.

00:43:23.000 However, the instructions I gave to ICE was they're going to enforce immigration law also.

00:43:29.000 If they see criminal activity, they're going to take action.

00:43:32.000 There's a lot of people who say, well, you should just help TSA with a security posture and not enforce immigration law.

00:43:38.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:43:40.000 We're going to force immigration law.

00:43:41.000 I'm not going to ask any ICE officers to ignore the oath they took and not enforce immigration law.

00:43:45.000 So you will see immigration arrests.

00:43:47.000 So they got two missions.

00:43:51.000 One, support TSA.

00:43:53.000 Two, enforce law.

00:43:55.000 Yeah.

00:43:56.000 Well, I think that makes all the sense in the world.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, go ahead, Bill.

00:43:59.000 Well, I'm just, first of all, I want to tout.

00:44:02.000 I was reading, actually, we were doing an ASU event yesterday and I was studying up for it and I saw that the overall pace of ICE arrests per day has doubled since last spring.

00:44:11.000 So congratulations for that.

00:44:13.000 But the rational follow-up, of course, is how much will, let's say this airport strategy of the Democrats keeps going.

00:44:20.000 Is there a risk that this will significantly slow down those arrests?

00:44:24.000 Like, could Democrats embrace this as a way to hamper immigration enforcement by diverting so many agents?

00:44:29.000 Look, will have an effect on arrests?

00:44:31.000 It would have a small effect on arrests, of course, because more people fall the field to the airport.

00:44:35.000 But look, the men and women of TSA, they're not being paid.

00:44:38.000 This is the third time in the past year they've suffered.

00:44:44.000 So, you know, bottom line is the Democrats up on the Hill are punishing TSA, Coast Guard, CISA, cybersecurity, FEMA.

00:44:57.000 They're punishing these employees by not paying them because they're mad about immigration enforcement.

00:45:06.000 And, you know, bottom line is I've been meeting on the Hill, you know, having discussions, but bottom line, but we're not going to give up ICE authorities.

00:45:13.000 We're not going to legislate or codify changes in policy because what I've explained from day one to people that are at the negotiating table, policy has not changed.

00:45:25.000 The same policy we're using now was there with Clinton and Obama and Bush one and Bush two.

00:45:30.000 I've been doing this a long time.

00:45:32.000 It's not about policies. 0.69

00:45:34.000 It's about execution.

00:45:36.000 And, you know, as I said, it's all started up in Minnesota.

00:45:39.000 And I said, look, Minnesota, one other, it wasn't perfect.

00:45:42.000 There were changes that need to be made.

00:45:44.000 And we made those changes.

00:45:45.000 And those changes are in place now.

00:45:47.000 So I find it shocking that any member of Congress, I don't care what party you're in, does not want to open up the government, does not want to fund the Department of Homeland Security that keeps this nation safe, especially, again, this elevated threat posture.

00:46:05.000 Everybody in DHS should be working, working hard.

00:46:07.000 So we need to get the government back open.

00:46:09.000 President wants the government back open, and we'll get it back open, but we're not going to surrender immigration authority.

00:46:15.000 We're not going to do that.

00:46:16.000 That's off the table.

00:46:17.000 Mask off the table.

00:46:19.000 I mean, we're going to do our jobs and we'll keep our officers safe.

00:46:22.000 Okay.

00:46:23.000 Well, that's good to hear the masks off the table.

00:46:26.000 We've got a clip here.

00:46:27.000 It's too long.

00:46:28.000 Hakeem Jeffries, though, says that we're not going to fund DHS.

00:46:32.000 Democrats are not going to fund DHS unless Democrats are assured that ICE will not monitor polling places.

00:46:39.000 What's your reaction to that, sir?

00:46:41.000 Are illegal aliens voting?

00:46:43.000 I mean, bottom line is, what are they afraid of?

00:46:46.000 And they say illegal aliens don't vote.

00:46:48.000 But look, part of DSS job is secure elections.

00:46:52.000 And I'm not going to say, you know, what our plan is going forward, but if only U.S. citizens can vote, I don't see the issue, what they're concerned about.

00:47:04.000 They ought to be concerned about the safety and security of this nation.

00:47:07.000 And why is the Department of Homeland Security not funded?

00:47:10.000 That's what they need to explain.

00:47:12.000 And look, they can get angry at ICE all they want.

00:47:15.000 You've got to remember, they set the stage, right?

00:47:18.000 They baked this pie, right?

00:47:21.000 Four years of open borders, four years of no immigration enforcement.

00:47:25.000 We had historic illegal immigration on the southern border.

00:47:28.000 They knew it.

00:47:29.000 And the members of Congress stood silent.

00:47:31.000 They're complicit.

00:47:32.000 They didn't do anything to Secretary Mariorkas when he said under oath the border is secure.

00:47:36.000 So they're to blame for this.

00:47:38.000 And what ICE is simply doing is responding to four years of open borders and historic illegal immigration on border that brought millions upon millions of people to the border and release the United States.

00:47:50.000 That requires an historic deportation operation.

00:47:54.000 It's just simple math.

00:47:56.000 So they got to remember: why are we in this position?

00:47:58.000 Why is ICE hiring more people?

00:48:00.000 Why was President Trump elected to be the President of the United States and put in the Oval Office to secure the border and enforce immigration law?

00:48:07.000 That's what we're doing.

00:48:09.000 And they set the stage for the open border for four years.

00:48:12.000 They can't forget that.

00:48:14.000 Yeah, amen to that.

00:48:16.000 So you have a new, as of yesterday, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is now Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, DHS Secretary.

00:48:23.000 What do you expect?

00:48:25.000 Any changes during his tenure?

00:48:28.000 Have you spoken directly with him?

00:48:31.000 What can we expect as the American people?

00:48:33.000 I speak to Mark Wayne Mullen every day, sometimes several times a day, ever since President Trump announced him as a nominee.

00:48:42.000 I'll be with him today when he gets sworn in.

00:48:45.000 I mean, I've said it a hundred times since he's been nominated.

00:48:50.000 I think he's the right guy at the right time and the right job.

00:48:55.000 He understands our challenges.

00:48:57.000 He understands, you know, as a member of Congress, he understands what Congress is upset about and what false narrative they're pushing and how we can, you know, work across the aisle.

00:49:09.000 And I think it's a game changer, and I'm looking forward to working with him.

00:49:13.000 And again, we have a close relationship.

00:49:16.000 And even though he wasn't a secretary yet, I read him in on the operation and what we're doing at the airport speak because I want him to hit the ground running.

00:49:26.000 And my office and many others has offered him any resources he needs to hit the ground running on day one.

00:49:34.000 He's already started.

00:49:35.000 I mean, he's already engaged.

00:49:37.000 He may not be the second, he may not be sworn in yet, but he's already being read in on things he needs to be read in on.

00:49:42.000 So he hit the ground running the minute he's sworn in.

00:49:46.000 Yeah, it's for people who are curious.

00:49:48.000 There was only one Republican that voted against.

00:49:50.000 That was Rand Paul.

00:49:52.000 Wasn't necessarily a surprise.

00:49:54.000 After seems pretty personal.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, there's some beef there.

00:49:57.000 But then two Democrats, Fetterman, and then a senator from New Mexico.

00:50:02.000 I forget his name.

00:50:04.000 Not only that, but a lot of Democrats I've talked to.

00:50:10.000 A handful.

00:50:11.000 I know he's talked to many more.

00:50:14.000 They want to vote for him, but it's election year.

00:50:17.000 But I think there's a lot more Democrats to support him that's known.

00:50:21.000 And look, he's going to prove to him.

00:50:22.000 He's going to prove to him he's the right guy.

00:50:25.000 And I think give him a few months.

00:50:28.000 I think he's going to impress this country with his drive to maintain the most secure border in the nation at the same time, enforce immigration law in a smart, effective way.

00:50:39.000 And look, FEMA needs some attention. 1.00

00:50:42.000 You know, TSA needs attention. 0.67

00:50:44.000 Secret Service needs attention.

00:50:45.000 All these things that he can wrap his arms around.

00:50:48.000 And he's got a talented staff.

00:50:49.000 Look, what Mark Wayne Mullen has told me, you got career officials at ICE, been there for decades.

00:50:56.000 You got career officials at CBP, Border Patrol, that have been there for decades.

00:51:00.000 He's going to count on these career officials who've done this for decades to do their job.

00:51:06.000 And I think that's the smart way to go about it.

00:51:08.000 Let the people who've done this for decades who know.

00:51:11.000 Look, for instance, I have a close relationship with him.

00:51:14.000 I've worked for six presidents on immigration.

00:51:16.000 I've seen hundreds of policies come and go.

00:51:19.000 I know what worked.

00:51:20.000 I know what didn't.

00:51:21.000 And the same thing with CBP and ICE and these other agencies.

00:51:24.000 Count on these career officials who've been on both sides, who've seen successes versus failures.

00:51:31.000 Count on them and their knowledge.

00:51:33.000 And it's a winning game, winning formula.

00:51:37.000 I wanted to, you were talking about how Mark Wayne Mullen, Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, can be effective in this role.

00:51:43.000 I said, and I defended you publicly on this, what you did in Minneapolis was an absolute masterstroke.

00:51:49.000 You got cooperation at the local prisons and the county jails.

00:51:55.000 Explain what you did there and how that can be a model of working with these blue jurisdictions, these sanctuary cities across the country.

00:52:03.000 Well, look, we know that we have a problem with sanctuary cities because we know they're releasing public safety threats back into the community. 0.99

00:52:11.000 They're releasing public safety threats back into the public, which I think is just plain stupid. 0.95

00:52:15.000 So when we got to Minnesota, I met with the governor and the attorney general and the mayors about cooperation. 0.96

00:52:23.000 I explained to them more agents in the jail means less agents in the street because we can arrest a criminal, illegal alien in the safety and security of a jail where it's safer for the alien, safer for the officer, certainly safer for the community.

00:52:37.000 But when they release him to the street, we got to send a whole team to go look for him because officer safety concerns.

00:52:42.000 And in Minneapolis, things are out of control.

00:52:44.000 So not only do we send a team to go look to arrest a bad guy, then we had to send an additional team as backup because of the chaos that was going on, the threats against ICE officers.

00:52:55.000 So what one officer could have done in the jail or two, now we got 14, 15 guys out there in the street for that one guy.

00:53:03.000 And when you got, you know, 20 different teams out, you're talking about hundreds of people out to arrest a few people.

00:53:09.000 So I explained, and I understand that that raises fear in the community that you have a bunch of ICE officers out there in tactical gear to arrest a bad guy.

00:53:18.000 I said, you want those, want that vision to go away? 0.99

00:53:22.000 Then let us in the damn jail. 0.99

00:53:24.000 And, you know, we got unprecedented cooperation. 1.00

00:53:27.000 So it was a win.

00:53:29.000 But we also got to remember that we're out there enforcing immigration law.

00:53:33.000 We got, as President Trump said, we got to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.

00:53:38.000 We got almost 700,000 illegal aliens, criminals that are walking the streets of this country. 1.00

00:53:44.000 We got to get the worst first.

00:53:45.000 And I think that's a smart way of doing business.

00:53:47.000 It's not less enforcement.

00:53:49.000 It's smarter enforcement.

00:53:50.000 If you got a criminal here, non-criminal here, who are you going to arrest first?

00:53:53.000 Who's the biggest threat to our community?

00:53:55.000 Of course, the criminal is.

00:53:57.000 But as I said in day one, if you're in the country legally, you're not off the table.

00:54:01.000 We're going to find you.

00:54:01.000 We're going to deport you.

00:54:02.000 It's just a matter of smarter enforcement.

00:54:04.000 Targeted enforcement.

00:54:06.000 When we leave the building every morning, we know who we're going to look for.

00:54:10.000 We know a lot about his criminal history and his immigration history.

00:54:14.000 Pretty much got a pretty good idea of where he lives, where he works.

00:54:17.000 And that's the way they do operations.

00:54:19.000 It's safer for the agents, safer for the communities.

00:54:21.000 And that's where we're going to go move forward.

00:54:23.000 As President Trump committed to on day one, prioritizing the worst first.

00:54:28.000 Again, doesn't mean amnesty.

00:54:29.000 It doesn't mean if you're in the country legally, you didn't commit another crime.

00:54:32.000 You're off the table.

00:54:33.000 That's not what it means.

00:54:34.000 It's about smarter enforcement.

00:54:36.000 Blake, I know we have an audience question.

00:54:38.000 Yes, we have.

00:54:39.000 I think I've told you about this in private, Tom, but I wanted to get it on the air.

00:54:43.000 We have a viewer who emails us very often, and he asks if you can say publicly to announce to all of America confidently that any illegal aliens who try to vote in the coming elections will be caught and will be deported.

00:55:00.000 After we prosecute them, I mean, it's a crime to vote illegally in the United States, so we're going to take it seriously.

00:55:07.000 You want to go to prison?

00:55:08.000 Try it.

00:55:09.000 But after we prosecute you, you will be deported.

00:55:11.000 Absolutely.

00:55:13.000 Now, the president has made that clear.

00:55:14.000 And that's why, look, that's why Congress needs to pass Save America.

00:55:18.000 know why anybody wouldn't require identification to vote.

00:55:22.000 I pick up tickets at Will Call to go to sports event.

00:55:25.000 I got a show ID.

00:55:26.000 I go pick up my dry cleaning.

00:55:28.000 I show ID.

00:55:29.000 So why wouldn't you want to show ID to take advantage of the most significant thing this country has, your ability to vote for your next leader.

00:55:39.000 I mean, it's a sacred, it's a sacred ability, and we ought to keep rules wrapped around it.

00:55:44.000 If you're not a citizen, don't vote.

00:55:47.000 If you do vote, we're coming for you.

00:55:50.000 How does that work?

00:55:51.000 When you prosecute an illegal alien that has attempted to vote, do we throw them in prison or do we deport them once they're convicted? 0.98

00:55:59.000 No, they're going to prison time first.

00:56:00.000 Then we'll be waiting at the door when it gets released and we'll send them home.

00:56:04.000 Got it.

00:56:05.000 Yeah.

00:56:05.000 I'm going to play a clip here from Gavin Newsome and I'll have you respond quickly here.

00:56:10.000 SOT 6.

00:56:11.000 It's self-evident.

00:56:12.000 It's suboptimal advice.

00:56:15.000 Do the work that's going to say when it back is ICE and the conditions that have been perpetuated on the streets of America of what often is described as secret police that took an oath of office, not to the Constitution, but to Donald Trump.

00:56:34.000 The whole thing is rather reverse.

00:56:36.000 And I don't know how it ends well.

00:56:39.000 I'm not suggesting it's going badly.

00:56:40.000 I just the behavior of this administration to negotiate an agreement with Democrats to address the ICE Americans concerned about how ICE is currently being deployed and utilized.

00:56:56.000 I just wish the president would take responsibility.

00:56:59.000 So this is him playing off a narrative from the left where somehow ICE agents at airports or whatever, this is secret police.

00:57:06.000 They're going to, there were some senators that were saying they were going to shoot people in the airports.

00:57:11.000 So we end where we begin.

00:57:12.000 Tom, your reaction to this narrative that they're trying to build.

00:57:16.000 The same people who push this negative narrative against ICE agents are the same ones that want us to take the masks off.

00:57:23.000 They're a reason we're wearing the masks.

00:57:25.000 Their hateful rhetoric is convinced that small percentage of people who are already nuts to take violent acts against ICE officers.

00:57:34.000 So if their hate porrhetic doesn't decrease, threats will continue to rise.

00:57:39.000 Assaults will continue to rise.

00:57:41.000 Puts our officers at great danger.

00:57:43.000 And it gives us more reason to try to protect themselves and their families.

00:57:46.000 So, you know, and I'll say this.

00:57:50.000 Democrats, members of Congress can argue and complain all they want.

00:57:53.000 We're enforcing laws they enacted.

00:57:55.000 If they don't like it, change the law.

00:57:58.000 If they want to call us Nazis for enforcing the law that they wrote, what's that make them?

00:58:02.000 They created the law.

00:58:03.000 So we're going to keep enforcing laws as mandated by Congress.

00:58:07.000 That's appropriated funding to do this.

00:58:09.000 That's exactly what we're going to do.

00:58:11.000 The American people have spoken.

00:58:13.000 They put Donald Trump in the old office to enforce immigration law and security border.

00:58:18.000 We've got the most secure border in the history of this nation, and we're doing record number arrests and deportations.

00:58:23.000 And it's not going to stop.

00:58:24.000 And Mark Wayne Mullen is the new secretary of DHS.

00:58:27.000 Commas, not dramas.

00:58:29.000 I believe that that is our future.

00:58:31.000 Let's wrap this man in bubble wrap, national hero and treasure.

00:58:34.000 Borders are Tom Holman.

00:58:35.000 Thank you, sir.

00:58:36.000 We'll see you soon.

00:58:37.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:59:40.000 Without further ado, we have Addison Marquert and Danielle Cosetto.

00:59:46.000 Danielle is the ASU chapter chair.

00:59:49.000 She runs their social, right?

00:59:51.000 Their social account, the ex account, all this stuff.

00:59:53.000 And Addison is the ASU chapter vice president.

00:59:57.000 So welcome.

00:59:58.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:59:59.000 Thank you for having us.

01:00:01.000 All right.

01:00:01.000 So the real most important question is who did better yesterday, Jack Posobiec or Blake Neff?

01:00:07.000 Jack.

01:00:08.000 Oh! 0.60

01:00:11.000 She's not. 0.99

01:00:12.000 Can I just turn around so that you can stab me in the back? 0.99

01:00:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:15.000 I mean, Jack is not here.

01:00:16.000 You had an easy layup, but that's fine.

01:00:18.000 I appreciate the candor.

01:00:19.000 All right.

01:00:20.000 Let's see wins.

01:00:21.000 Yeah.

01:00:21.000 So tell us, what was it like kind of getting back into the event world, pick up the mic, having it on your chapter yesterday?

01:00:29.000 Oh, it was awesome.

01:00:31.000 It was very expedited.

01:00:34.000 So it was fun to see all of the hard work put into it.

01:00:39.000 And it was definitely hard to flyer and get it advertised, but I think we had a good turnout, and it was really great having Blake and Jack.

01:00:46.000 So it was awesome.

01:00:47.000 Yeah, it's an important muscle memory for chapters to have.

01:00:50.000 It's like, get out and fly or get out and do the thing.

01:00:53.000 Table, announce the event.

01:00:55.000 What was the reaction from students?

01:00:57.000 I think it was well received.

01:00:58.000 And I think students appreciated the fact that they could go up to the mic and, you know, if they disagreed, that's okay.

01:01:04.000 Being able to hear both sides of the conversation, which is, I think, the number one thing that Charlie prioritized.

01:01:10.000 So what has it been like in the aftermath of when we lost Charlie?

01:01:10.000 Yeah.

01:01:15.000 What's it been like for your chapter?

01:01:17.000 The chapter has grown exponentially.

01:01:19.000 It's been, so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

01:01:24.000 Yeah, silver lining that everything.

01:01:24.000 Silver lining.

01:01:27.000 It's been awesome seeing everyone who didn't necessarily think that they wanted to get involved in politics until obviously seeing how important it is to be involved politically and talking to your peers, getting involved on campus.

01:01:45.000 Because they didn't see that before.

01:01:46.000 They didn't think they needed the part to be a part of Turning Point because they were just like, oh, like it'll go how it goes.

01:01:53.000 But now they actually see a reason to, you know, step up and make their opinions heard.

01:01:58.000 Same question to you.

01:01:59.000 When Charlie died, I think it really just put a spark under our butts.

01:02:04.000 I know I got involved with Turning Point after Charlie was assassinated.

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 And just seeing how people have come together after that, it just makes our voices stronger.

01:02:14.000 Blake, I have lots of questions, but you know.

01:02:18.000 You're the one who went and spent time with them yesterday.

01:02:20.000 Yeah, I suppose.

01:02:21.000 I suppose.

01:02:23.000 Do you see any what do they sent in the wake of Charlie's loss?

01:02:28.000 Is there something that particularly appeals to him about his legacy?

01:02:31.000 Do you see them leaning more towards the faith side of things maybe than the past?

01:02:37.000 Or do they see him as a guy to look towards in terms of debate, argument, politics?

01:02:42.000 I don't know.

01:02:43.000 I'm trying to think of how young people look to Charlie now that he's no longer with us.

01:02:48.000 I can speak for myself, and I think that my thoughts on activism have certainly come up.

01:02:54.000 It makes me just want to get more involved with knocking on doors, getting people to sign up for being a PC, et cetera, et cetera.

01:03:01.000 And I think maybe for more people on ASU, just it sparks us to have even more open debates, hearing clearly what the other side has to say.

01:03:10.000 I think he remains controversial.

01:03:13.000 Definitely people who are part of the chapter obviously see him as a great debater, and it doesn't matter what they thought of him before.

01:03:20.000 They still appreciate what he's done for the youth and making our voices heard.

01:03:26.000 Unlike the liberal side of things, they don't like him still.

01:03:31.000 I don't think they hate him as much to the extent that maybe they did before because they see that.

01:03:39.000 It has to be asked: do you run into people?

01:03:41.000 Will people ever ridicule you about Charlie being dead?

01:03:45.000 What will they do?

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.000 They don't stop.

01:03:48.000 Yeah, they say like crazy things and they don't have a conversation with us.

01:03:53.000 Yes, when we're tabling, they'll walk past us and say something diabolical, and it's very rude, unprecedented.

01:04:00.000 I heard last night that apparently someone showed up at a meeting at, I think, when Erica showed up at the chapter, and they made some sort of joke about Charlie being dead or something.

01:04:11.000 And what happened with that?

01:04:13.000 Oh, well, he got put in his place for sure.

01:04:16.000 That's good.

01:04:16.000 I don't think he meant any malintent with that comment.

01:04:19.000 He didn't know Erica was there.

01:04:21.000 I'm sure he would have held his tongue a little bit more if he knew.

01:04:25.000 Because he's a great guy.

01:04:27.000 He was just trying to be funny.

01:04:29.000 Oh, dear.

01:04:29.000 Oh, well, that's not a funny thing to joke about.

01:04:31.000 By the way, that's what I told the whatever, the progressive group that's trying to troll and draft off Turning Point.

01:04:39.000 I just said, don't disrespect my dead friend.

01:04:42.000 And don't post pictures on social media.

01:04:45.000 It's not cool.

01:04:46.000 It's not funny.

01:04:47.000 You know, I don't care what Trump says.

01:04:49.000 Like, yeah, okay, he didn't.

01:04:51.000 They made this whole point about Bob Moeller and what was that other guy, the actor?

01:04:57.000 Rob Reiner.

01:04:58.000 Rob Reiner.

01:04:59.000 And I was just like, so what?

01:05:01.000 If you don't like it when he does it, why are you doing it to us?

01:05:03.000 Why are you doing that to Charlie?

01:05:04.000 Anyway, so I want to talk about some of the issues.

01:05:07.000 We've only got two and a half minutes in this segment, but we have a whole nother segment.

01:05:11.000 Iran, what are even Trump supporting students, students you know voted for Trump?

01:05:16.000 What are they feeling about the Iran war?

01:05:19.000 I think that mostly they're saying, you know, Trump said no new wars.

01:05:24.000 Now we're in a war.

01:05:25.000 Talking about prices going up, especially gas.

01:05:29.000 I don't know if you want to add on that, Addie.

01:05:30.000 Wait a minute.

01:05:31.000 Do students at ASU still drive?

01:05:33.000 Yeah.

01:05:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:34.000 Yeah, of course.

01:05:35.000 All right, okay.

01:05:37.000 You guys are living large.

01:05:38.000 I didn't have a car in college.

01:05:39.000 They're mixed.

01:05:39.000 I don't either.

01:05:41.000 People who voted for Trump are either in support of him or they're totally against it because, like Danny said, no new wars.

01:05:48.000 That's one of the primary reasons, at least I voted for him, and a lot of the people in the chapter voted for him.

01:05:54.000 And we don't want to lose American lives.

01:05:58.000 Does this change your opinion of the president?

01:06:01.000 My opinion of the president hasn't really changed all that much.

01:06:06.000 I obviously am not in full support for everything that he does.

01:06:11.000 And I didn't want any new wars.

01:06:14.000 I don't think interference in the Middle East is in America's best interests.

01:06:20.000 So they're the same.

01:06:22.000 So you still support the president, but you don't support this particular war.

01:06:26.000 That's correct.

01:06:27.000 Okay.

01:06:28.000 So when you hear people talking about, oh, they've been a threat to the United States for 47 years, the nuclear threat, what was that island?

01:06:35.000 The Diego Garcia Island.

01:06:38.000 When you see that they actually have the ability to shoot missiles extraordinarily far, I think that was like 2,000 miles away.

01:06:46.000 Does any of that change the way you think about it?

01:06:48.000 Is it still just like, hey, it's thousands of miles away?

01:06:51.000 We want a nation-build here at home.

01:06:53.000 Well, like you said, we've been saying Iran has been building a nuke for 47 years and they just don't have one. 0.94

01:07:01.000 So I don't really see them.

01:07:03.000 When you see Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff say, we sat with them and they said they have enough nuclear material to build 11 nukes.

01:07:11.000 Those kind of things don't change your calculus.

01:07:12.000 I'm not giving, I'm not trying to tell you right or wrong.

01:07:14.000 I'm just wondering, I'm trying to get inside your psyche.

01:07:16.000 Like, what, what works, what is persuasive, what's not.

01:07:19.000 Well, I think the military in the Operation Epic Fury, they've been targeting those facilities and they have hit them.

01:07:27.000 We've decimated their nuclear capacity from what I have seen.

01:07:30.000 Can I just add something?

01:07:31.000 I actually disagree.

01:07:32.000 I think that they're a threat to our national security.

01:07:37.000 And I think that what Trump is doing is a broader part of trying to limit long-term threats.

01:07:42.000 Fair enough.

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01:08:59.000 So you're saying I'm not persuaded by these, and let's just call them talking points.

01:09:05.000 They may be true, or they maybe some of them may not be true, but you've heard this like 47 years.

01:09:12.000 This is a war that's been going on or it's a problem that's been left to fester.

01:09:16.000 And so you're not persuaded by those.

01:09:19.000 You, it sounds like, are more persuaded.

01:09:22.000 What do you think about your peers, though?

01:09:24.000 If you had to like take a snapshot of the turning point chapter, a lot of conservative young people, is it 50-50, 70-30?

01:09:32.000 I would say it's 20-80, 80% being not.

01:09:36.000 Against it.

01:09:37.000 Against it.

01:09:38.000 Would you agree with that?

01:09:39.000 Okay.

01:09:39.000 Yeah, I mean, that's listen, there's no right or wrong answers here.

01:09:42.000 I just want to know the truth.

01:09:43.000 I want to get inside the brain of the Gen Z college student. 0.99

01:09:48.000 So I don't know if you have a follow-up on that, specifically on Iran, but it's fertile ground, obviously. 1.00

01:09:53.000 What do you want to see happen?

01:09:55.000 I mean, I would also just, I'd be interested in not just the war, but like the bigger picture.

01:09:59.000 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:00.000 But while we've got a minute and 50 seconds left here, so the point is, what would you like to see happen?

01:10:06.000 I mean, at this point, we're in it.

01:10:08.000 Do you just is it like the goal is to get out as quickly as possible?

01:10:12.000 That would be a win.

01:10:13.000 I mean, is there any salvaging this?

01:10:16.000 Do you think that do you think that you said 80 are against?

01:10:19.000 Do you think those 80% are still going to vote for President Trump in the midterm or the Republicans in the midterms?

01:10:26.000 Yes, I'll still think they vote for Trump in the midterms.

01:10:28.000 However, I think the end goal would be regime change, which I'm totally against.

01:10:35.000 I mean, Iran, when they experienced our interference with their regime, put it implementing the Shah, they overthrew it.

01:10:44.000 So I don't think the United States has very much.

01:10:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:51.000 And I would say the same for my peers.

01:10:55.000 And maybe take that same question, but outside of turning point.

01:10:59.000 You know, a lot of people voted for President Trump for the first time.

01:11:02.000 Maybe you were one of them in 2024.

01:11:05.000 I don't know if you were old enough yet, but do you feel like he's lost a bunch of people that are never going to vote Republican now, or do you think it's salvageable?

01:11:13.000 I don't know about a bunch of people.

01:11:15.000 I would say definitely the higher propensity Republicans will probably be voting for him again.

01:11:19.000 Maybe the lower propensity Republicans, that maybe this was their first time voting Republican, or they tend to lean more moderate.

01:11:25.000 I think maybe he might have lost some of their votes.

01:11:27.000 Got it.

01:11:28.000 Well, I think this is, listen, again, no right or wrong answers.

01:11:28.000 All right.

01:11:32.000 We just want to hear what you really think, okay?

01:11:33.000 This is not, you know, toe the party line hour.

01:11:37.000 So let's take this broader.

01:11:39.000 What are, would you say, are the main issues that students are talking about when it comes to politics right now?

01:11:44.000 Immigration, for sure. 1.00

01:11:46.000 That's definitely split up right now.

01:11:48.000 I would say the conservatives are for more mass deportations and liberals are more for, you know, aiding them and helping them.

01:11:56.000 And since they help out our economy, oh, they should stay here is definitely an issue.

01:12:02.000 And then again, affordability, prices are skyrocketed.

01:12:06.000 Wages are low.

01:12:07.000 That's exactly what I was going to say.

01:12:09.000 Immigration, too.

01:12:10.000 Immigration and affordability.

01:12:12.000 So obviously the turning point chapter wants more of a hardline immigration approach, but what about the larger student body?

01:12:21.000 I think at ASU, I conducted interviews regarding ICE.

01:12:25.000 We had a bunch of ICE protests on campus.

01:12:27.000 Like a month ago, maybe?

01:12:27.000 When was that?

01:12:30.000 And it was an overwhelming response of F-ICE, get them off of our campus, get them out of America.

01:12:36.000 You know, like nobody's, you know, like on stolen land, you know, kind of stuff.

01:12:40.000 Nobody's illegal on cheaper and all that good.

01:12:43.000 Yeah, I mean, we conducted maybe 20 interviews that day, and I think we only got two people that were pro-ICE.

01:12:50.000 So that was really eye-opening.

01:12:52.000 So maybe them helping with the TSA lines is this huge new PR blitz where they're going to generate all this goodwill.

01:12:59.000 I mean, I'd love to believe that.

01:13:00.000 My guess is you actually probably just need to steamroll this sentiment, is my guess.

01:13:05.000 What do you mean?

01:13:06.000 Well, like, I don't think the kind of person who thinks ICE is a fascist paramilitary because they enforce our laws are going to be won over by anyone working in a TSA line. 0.98

01:13:16.000 I think they just kind of have a virus in their brain.

01:13:20.000 I mean, especially if they're also falling for, oh, like, the U.S. is on stolen land, land back.

01:13:25.000 These people, they just want to destroy America.

01:13:27.000 Yeah, unfortunately, a very tempting attitude.

01:13:30.000 So what about jobs?

01:13:32.000 When we talk about immigration, H-1B, there were some students we'd had on that were super focused on H-1B.

01:13:37.000 Do you guys talk about H-1B?

01:13:39.000 Maybe stealing college grads' jobs?

01:13:41.000 Here and there.

01:13:42.000 It's definitely, there's way too many H-1B visas going out that should be going to American citizens first. 1.00

01:13:49.000 However, that's not very important.

01:13:51.000 It's not super top of mind.

01:13:53.000 What about jobs in general, the AI revolution?

01:13:56.000 I did.

01:13:57.000 So one of Jack's talking points was in the agricultural sector, which immigrants work in, replacing them with AI when they're deported because, oh, the wages are so good. 0.99

01:14:06.000 You mean like robotics and things?

01:14:08.000 Yeah, mechanization, things like that.

01:14:10.000 I totally disagree with that.

01:14:11.000 I do think it should be going to Americans, even if that means corporations and farms have to raise their wages to incentivize people to do that.

01:14:20.000 I think automation is probably coming one way or the other.

01:14:23.000 But maybe there's some, yeah, I agree with you in general.

01:14:25.000 If there's jobs that need to be done, give those to Americans too.

01:14:28.000 Exactly.

01:14:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:30.000 Yeah, go ahead, Blake.

01:14:32.000 So what are the big topics?

01:14:32.000 Okay.

01:14:34.000 Maybe they're related to politics, maybe they're not, that are top of mind right now.

01:14:38.000 Maybe they're cultural, musical, maybe it's dating, relationships, maybe it's apps.

01:14:44.000 What are people, what are kids talking about on college campus right now?

01:14:47.000 Well, I think because we're in the political part of campus, we interact with a lot of political people.

01:14:54.000 Politics is obviously one.

01:14:56.000 Donald Trump is a huge one.

01:14:58.000 No one likes him.

01:14:58.000 Just constantly.

01:14:59.000 His executive cabinet, they're all questioning him.

01:15:04.000 Maybe social media as well.

01:15:06.000 That's a big topic.

01:15:07.000 Just like the dating market.

01:15:10.000 They don't like it.

01:15:11.000 Looks maxing.

01:15:12.000 Yeah, looks maxing.

01:15:13.000 Yeah, we talked about that actually on our call.

01:15:14.000 Well, ASU is, well, ASU has that guy, ASU Frat Leader, as some character on the internet now.

01:15:20.000 Is that an actual student at ASU?

01:15:24.000 He's not.

01:15:25.000 He doesn't even go to ASU.

01:15:27.000 Of course he doesn't.

01:15:28.000 He's too busy breaking micro fractions.

01:15:32.000 Now you're thinking of a different, you're thinking of clavicular dots.

01:15:34.000 ASU frat leader is actually the name of that.

01:15:37.000 Why do you know this?

01:15:38.000 Because you have to do it for the show.

01:15:41.000 We're educating our audience.

01:15:42.000 We need to know the important issues today.

01:15:44.000 So do women in general, because you two are women, if there was a guy here, I'd ask them the same question in reverse. 1.00

01:15:51.000 But do women, when you're thinking about dating young men, is it bleak out there?

01:15:57.000 Is it hard to date?

01:15:59.000 Are you guys happy with your choices?

01:16:02.000 At ASU, it's looking pretty dim.

01:16:04.000 Okay.

01:16:05.000 I feel like a lot of women say that about their local community. 0.99

01:16:09.000 Oh, I think the guys are great.

01:16:13.000 Okay, so we have a difference of opinion here.

01:16:14.000 I guess.

01:16:15.000 Okay, well, what's your beef?

01:16:17.000 What's your I think that they're too focused on lust over love.

01:16:23.000 And also, I'm young.

01:16:24.000 I'm 18.

01:16:26.000 Like, I just want to.

01:16:26.000 I don't know.

01:16:27.000 Okay, so you're like a freshman then.

01:16:28.000 I am a freshman.

01:16:29.000 I just want to do my own thing.

01:16:30.000 I don't want to have to.

01:16:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:31.000 I don't need to date right now.

01:16:32.000 No, you're 18.

01:16:33.000 You're totally right.

01:16:33.000 Right approach.

01:16:34.000 What year are you?

01:16:35.000 Sophomore.

01:16:35.000 I'm 19.

01:16:36.000 Okay.

01:16:37.000 And you think you have no issues?

01:16:40.000 Being surrounded with conservative boys, like for most of my week, yeah, they're great.

01:16:45.000 And there's good people in the world.

01:16:46.000 And sure, social media can portray these guys as lustful creatures.

01:16:51.000 Well, innately they are.

01:16:53.000 I think there's more good people in the dating realm than there's not.

01:16:57.000 Do you feel like young men are taking their faith seriously about at least the conservative guys?

01:17:03.000 I mean, there was that NBC poll that pulled all the men and the women, and it was actually the men that wanted to get married, have families.

01:17:08.000 Like that was their top priorities.

01:17:10.000 And it was the women that put that way down at the bottom of the list. 1.00

01:17:14.000 They wanted their careers.

01:17:15.000 They wanted to be boss babes. 1.00

01:17:16.000 Do you see that, the boss babe thing, the career drive?

01:17:19.000 Is that still top of the list for women, you think? 1.00

01:17:22.000 Oh, definitely.

01:17:23.000 It may be dilated because of what I view on social media, but there are some serious men haters, and they're definitely doing the right thing, getting a career, going to school.

01:17:34.000 But there's a balance that we have to achieve with that.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, what do you think about the whole career versus family thing?

01:17:41.000 How do you break it down?

01:17:42.000 I think you can have both.

01:17:42.000 I don't understand why you can't have both.

01:17:44.000 I think a lot of women, maybe it's just on social media, like you said, but I feel like they think they can only have one or the other. 1.00

01:17:50.000 And that's just not true.

01:17:51.000 You can have both.

01:17:51.000 Well, I've heard it said that you can have both, but not necessarily at the same time.

01:17:56.000 And listen.

01:17:57.000 I don't agree with that.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, well, I mean, you're 18.

01:18:00.000 You haven't done it yet.

01:18:01.000 I have three kids, and I will tell you that prioritizing family is a way better long-term payoff.

01:18:08.000 That's what I would say.

01:18:09.000 Easy for me to say.

01:18:10.000 I go to work every day.

01:18:11.000 But my wife is very in agreement with that.

01:18:14.000 Well, you guys, this has been fascinating and a really good conversation.

01:18:18.000 And so thank you guys for making the time and coming.

01:18:20.000 Thank you for supporting Blake and Jack yesterday at what seems like it was a great event.

01:18:25.000 It was great.

01:18:26.000 Yeah, fantastic.

01:18:27.000 More to come.

01:18:28.000 More to come.

01:18:28.000 Congratulations on the chapter exploding.

01:18:31.000 And we'll see you guys soon.

01:18:32.000 Thank you guys.

01:18:34.000 God bless you guys.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 24, 2026

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