00:00:16.000Also, Donald Trump is now tied in Florida.
00:00:20.000And most of this episode, we are going to be exploring the ideas of Karl Marx.
00:00:25.000I have now heard six times in the last 24 hours on television someone say the term Marxism.
00:00:31.000Yet so few people understand what it actually means, where it's derived from, what Karl Marx thought, where he was actually trying to take humankind.
00:00:41.000We go into that in so much more on this episode.
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00:01:20.000And if you guys are not clear at all about the direction of our country and what Marxism and communism actually is, by the end of this episode, you'll be much better informed and better able to articulate a defense against communism, Marxism, and socialism.
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00:02:15.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:41.000A lot of people use the term Marxist, but very few people understand what a Marxist actually is.
00:02:47.000So I want to dive into what is happening in Rochester with the death of Daniel Prude, and then I'm going to give a comprehensive and in-depth explanation of what Marxism is and what it isn't and what we can actually learn from Karl Marx, which actually, believe it or not, we can learn quite a lot.
00:03:25.000Rochester is now ground zero for the rioting, the arson, and the protests.
00:03:30.000So here's how the New York Times wrote up the death of Daniel Prude.
00:03:36.000They first started editorializing with needless context about George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.
00:03:44.000Then they continue to actually tell us the facts.
00:03:46.000Quote, in the early hours of March 23rd, in the early hours on the 23rd of March, Mr. Prude ran from his brother's home in just a tank top and long underwear on a freezing night.
00:03:58.000A short time later, officers responded to a 911 call of a naked man who was ranting in the streets and telling at least one passing stranger that he had the Chinese coronavirus.
00:04:10.000Daniel Prude is without any clothes in the streets rambling about having the Chinese coronavirus.
00:04:16.000Now, mind you, this is just hours after his brother had him hospitalized for what the Times call a, quote, mental health crisis.
00:04:23.000Yet he was released three hours later, quote, without diagnosis.
00:04:29.000Toxicology reports would later show that Prude was high on PCP, commonly known as angel dust.
00:04:35.000The article continues by saying, officers arrived and handcuffed Mr. Prude without incident as he sat in the street.
00:04:41.000Between prayers and profanities and demands for money or a cigarette or even a gun, he spat on the street, ignoring officers' commands to stop.
00:04:49.000And the footage continues to show an officer draped a mesh hood, which is known as a spit sock, over his head, which does not suffocate you.
00:04:58.000It's not like putting a garbage bag over somebody.
00:05:01.000It just prevents officers from being spit at or for being agitated.
00:05:06.000So he became even more aggressive, attempting to rise to his feet.
00:05:10.000So Prude started by becoming arrested peacefully, albeit spitting on officers and in the area surrounding the officers, and then he got more and more belligerent.
00:05:20.000The story continued by saying officers pinned him to the ground and his pleas turned into muffled gurgles inside the hood, then stopped altogether.
00:05:28.000An ambulance arrived and a paramedic performed chest compressions.
00:05:31.000Mr. Prude was in cardiac distress or coded in medical jargon.
00:05:36.000One of the paramedics stood up and addressed the officers, quote, so PCP can cause what we call excited delirium, she said, as recorded on an officer's body camera.
00:05:45.000Quote, I guarantee you that's how he coded.
00:05:51.000So he's high on angel dust, goes into a cardiac arrest or heart attack, and dies a week later due to complications from his overdose combined with the struggle that came with resisting arrest.
00:06:02.000The police chief later told the mayor the next day that Prude was, quote, an apparent drug user and overdosed while in custody.
00:06:10.000Days later, Daniel Prude died in the hospital.
00:06:13.000So Letitia James, the state attorney general, learned of the case on April 16th after her office was informed by a county district attorney of the preliminary autopsy report that showed asphyxiation was a cause of death.
00:06:25.000Ms. James took over the case by April 21st and began an investigation.
00:06:28.000The Rochester police were already closing their own internal investigation, interviewing the officers involved in reviewing their body cam footage.
00:06:36.000It concluded on April 27th, based upon investigation, this is quote, based upon investigation, the officers' action and conduct displayed when dealing with Prude appear to be appropriate and consistent with their training.
00:06:49.000That led to the community, that led to the community to begin accusing the Rochester police chief of a cover-up.
00:06:55.000A two-decade veteran of the force and a black man, LaRon Singletary, repeatedly insisted that there was, quote, no cover-up.
00:07:04.000But the narrative is now one of, quote, police brutality in the wake of George Floyd's murder, which overtook reality and made one black man, the chief, public enemy number one in the death of another black man.
00:07:17.000So if I were to go through the stats here, I don't understand why people are rioting and are marching in the streets of Rochester.
00:07:23.000This has now become a professional protesting class in our country where people now find meaning in fighting the system, trying to find another incident that can confirm their false presupposition that the police are racist and are trying to kill them.
00:07:36.000You look at the details of this case, it seems very clear.
00:07:39.000There was a paramedic that came to the scene, completely cleared the police officers for what they did, putting on a spit sock where someone can still breathe, and he dies of asphyxiation.
00:07:50.000And so it wasn't police-induced, and none of the body camera footage says that it is, and he died a couple days later in the hospital.
00:07:56.000So now the entire Rochester Central Command of police have resigned.
00:08:01.000And now in Rochester, which does have a sizable black population, we are going to see continued riots.
00:08:08.000We are going to see continued arson and terrorism.
00:08:11.000This is not an incident, even close or similar to that of George Floyd.
00:08:16.000But if you're an activist and you believe in ideology first and facts second, then incidents like this are nothing more than confirmation bias, even though there's nothing to confirm.
00:08:27.000Even though that what actually happens might be completely contradictory to the narrative that you believe in, which is no matter what, the police are racist.
00:08:44.000We are going to continue to closely follow this story and dive deeper into it as facts emerge.
00:08:50.000However, none of this warrants nationwide outrage or protest, and none of it warrants the endless amount of conflict that is now happening in Rochester, the arson and the looting and the professional protesting class that has found a new home in the streets of our country and now Rochester, New York.
00:09:09.000I want to talk about internet freedom.
00:09:11.000Social media companies get to decide what content is suitable for the sensitive snowflakes among us and censor whatever they don't like.
00:09:20.000Shouldn't you be the one to decide what you want to read or watch, not them?
00:09:25.000Well, there's one thing you can control, their access to your data.
00:12:47.000So let's actually dive into the writings and the teachings of Karl Marx.
00:12:52.000And this is very important as we head into this contentious election cycle when you have one candidate, Joe Biden, who is pandering routinely and continually to Marxist activists.
00:13:04.000Now, there's two things to remember when we are discussing the ideas of any famous political philosopher.
00:13:09.000We talk about Descartes, we talk about Aquinas, Augustine, Cicero, Marcus Aurelius, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Burke, Hume, Locke, or Paine.
00:13:18.000We always try to preface it with this.
00:13:21.000They were all products of the times in which they lived in and of everything that happened up until that point.
00:13:27.000And every single one of these political philosophers, including Karl Marx and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, they were right about something.
00:13:36.000No philosopher, would it be more important to remember the second point, right about something, than it is with Karl Marx.
00:13:59.000Karl Marx might hold the trifecta claim to being as being the most referenced philosopher, the most influential philosopher, and the least read philosopher who lays claim to the first two points.
00:14:11.000People mention Karl Marx more so than almost any other political philosopher, yet so few people have actually read Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto, and so few people actually understand what he was trying to achieve.
00:14:27.000See, the woman founders of BLM, again, declare themselves to be Marxists.
00:14:31.000The Soviet Union, Mao's China, Fidel's Cuba, Mins, Vietnam, North Korea have all laid claims to be Marxist communists.
00:14:39.000The Marxist communist movement is incredibly powerful, dangerous, and very contemporary.
00:14:56.000He wasn't even the first choice to write about it.
00:14:59.000What he did do is make the philosophical argument for it as the disavowing, contemptuous philosopher.
00:15:07.000It is important to note that as Marx described it, we have never had a true communist country anywhere in the world.
00:15:14.000We could, however, be on the verge of having one just as Marx described, but with a twist that he did not foresee.
00:15:21.000The venue would be the United States, and the twist would be the true nature of humans.
00:15:25.000If Marx was right, and if I'm right, then we would truly need to understand Marxism and stand up and fight with everything we have.
00:15:32.000Otherwise, we risk having a country governed by the star characters of something close to the walking dead.
00:15:38.000Now, we're going to get into human nature in just a second.
00:15:41.000However, before we start, there are some very key terms that have to be defined.
00:15:44.000Number one is the dialectical process.
00:15:47.000You might have heard me mention this before, the Hegelian dialectic.
00:15:52.000This is a concept that is created by George Hegel that suggests that all things, including history, grudgingly and deliberately move forward through a mechanical, conflict-inherent and oppositional process.
00:16:05.000This has been described as a thesis creating an opposite reaction, an antithesis or antithesis, and the two form a synthesis, which in turn become a new thesis, and so on.
00:16:15.000This dialectical process continues until the final synthesis is reached.
00:16:20.000We also have to describe the term historicism, a belief that all social and cultural phenomenon are determined by history.
00:16:27.000History is not some simple recounting of what has happened.
00:17:14.000They said maybe you should become a professor.
00:17:16.000Also didn't happen, but he did join the local newspaper.
00:17:19.000He managed to get it shut down with his radical ideas.
00:17:22.000He wanted to be a revolutionary writer.
00:17:25.000He was run out of Prussia, went to France, run out of France, and eventually found home in London, in England.
00:17:31.000And he lived the rest of his life there.
00:17:33.000His wife, Jenny Von Westphalen, which was his wife from 1843 to 1881, was very devoted and helped support him, had four children, two of whom died in part because they could not afford proper medical care.
00:17:58.000He lived from 1820 to 1895, was also born in Prussia.
00:18:02.000His parents left Prussia and moved to England in 1842 in part because their young son was so radical, they feared for his and for their safety.
00:18:09.000Engels became a very successful businessman and entrepreneur and very bourgeoisie.
00:18:16.000He met Marx and became his benefactor.
00:18:18.000He was essentially the capitalist behind funding all of Marx's work.
00:18:22.000He was almost the theophilus to Luke, who wrote the book of Luke and Acts.
00:18:26.000For those of you that understand the Bible, understand the reference completely.
00:18:30.000He had a major piece of his own, quote, conditions the working class is in England.
00:18:35.000Legend has it that he wrote it with inspiration, help, and contribution from a lover and factory worker, Mary Burns.
00:18:41.000That's a different podcast for a different time.
00:18:43.000Engels was a 19th century version of the Silicon Valley elite, the masters of the universe.
00:18:49.000So communism, of course, has its roots in Plato and his attack on private property and the idea of the need for a takes a village approach.
00:18:57.000Hillary Clinton famously wrote the book, It Takes a Village.
00:19:01.000The communist movement started in some form in the 19th century during the Industrial Revolution.
00:19:07.000It actually started without Karl Marx.
00:19:37.000With his and Engels combined, their magnum opus was Das Kapital, not the Communist Manifesto, it was actually Das Kapital, which came well after the Communist Manifesto, and it laid out the historical argument for the labor theory of value.
00:19:54.000It is considered primary and first and foremost as an economic text.
00:19:59.000So here's where everyone gets things wrong.
00:20:05.000Even some conservatives get this wrong at times.
00:20:07.000That's why I so greatly appreciate those of you that support us at charliekirk.com slash support, because we can dive deep into what did these thinkers actually believe and how does it apply to what we're living through today.
00:20:19.000Marx is known for three primary things.
00:20:23.000Number two, his critique of capitalism.
00:20:26.000And number three, his idea on alienation.
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00:22:24.000That Darwinism and Marxism are actually very much inspired by one or the other.
00:22:29.000He saw an evolutionary nature to man and history with a sort of natural selection process leading toward improvement.
00:22:36.000He believed the Enlightenment was right, that you could come up with natural and scientific explanation for the changes in society, that everything is knowable.
00:22:43.000Now, he actually rejected a lot of Enlightenment ideas as well.
00:22:47.000He believed in Hegel's dialectic, but where Hegel argued that it was bringing us toward an end of history, Marx thought it was bringing us toward the beginning of true history.
00:22:56.000Kind of hear that in a lot of the language, a lot of these campus activists, that everything before us hasn't really happened.
00:24:26.000Number two, the forces of production, meaning the means of production.
00:24:29.000This is where you hear a lot of the Marxists say the workers need to own the means of production, such as actual tools, facilities, and equipment, raw materials.
00:24:38.000And the second of which is abstract human labor power.
00:24:42.000Now, science is very important to Marx.
00:24:47.000He believed that everything evolves around where people stand in their relation to the production process.
00:24:52.000The way that he looked at things was slave, master, lord, subject, worker, owner.
00:24:57.000History itself is a result of economic activity centered around labor, control, production, wants, needs, and scarcity.
00:25:06.000He thought that all other structures were just superstructures, state, church, culture, habits, arts.
00:25:10.000He thought it was all about economics.
00:25:12.000Everything is set to determine and make legitimate the necessary means and methods of production.
00:25:19.000Now, there were three great historical modes of production stages in Western civilization.
00:25:25.000There's the slave mode, which he argued happened mostly during the time of the Roman Empire.
00:25:30.000There was the feudal mode, which replaced Rome, not so bad, where medieval laws were much more concerned about prestige than status, about profits.
00:25:38.000And better techniques for farming made sense to give people some land to work more or less on their own, so as long as they produced.
00:25:46.000And also the capitalist mode, the one that they were in in the time of Marx.
00:25:50.000Technology had made production techniques so efficient it made more sense to rent the labor through wages.
00:25:56.000It could be easily deployed or discarded.
00:25:58.000Now, each new mode or prosecution gestates into the prior one.
00:26:03.000For example, feudalism bordered the Roman Empire, capitalism and trade in places of Venice, Amsterdam, etc., emerging in the late medieval period.
00:26:10.000Capitalism, which Marx really hated, was the beginning of the end of what he calls the end of this form where true history can begin.
00:26:20.000He thought that transitional point was called socialism.
00:26:23.000Socialism is what Marx's original work was peddled under, not communism, because the transitional piece is what was being pushed.
00:26:32.000Socialism, again, is the gestational form of communism in a capitalist society.
00:26:37.000Capitalism, he believed, led to communism because of its failings, excesses, and abuses.
00:26:44.000Once the dialectical process reaches communism, it means that you are now truly free and real human history is set to begin.
00:27:35.000He believed that modern work was alienating.
00:27:38.000He believed that modern work is insecure.
00:27:40.000He believed that workers get paid very little while others get rich.
00:27:43.000He called this a primitive accumulation of wealth.
00:27:47.000He believed that profit was a form of theft.
00:27:50.000He also thought that capitalism and markets were unnecessarily and immorally unstable.
00:27:57.000He believed that capitalism is actually bad for capitalism and argued that the marriage itself of human beings is actually a business relationship.
00:29:21.000Who are we in the state of nature is the most important question a human being can answer.
00:29:27.000And for those that are Christians, those of us that believe in the Bible, we have an answer to that question.
00:29:33.000He believed that laws eventually in communism would no longer be required.
00:29:37.000Now, communism was almost a state of utopia, which literally means nowhere.
00:29:42.000This is where we get the actual meaning from each according to its ability to each according to their need.
00:29:46.000It is not about welfare, it is about ending the alienation process.
00:29:49.000Remember, Marx believed that modern work was alienating.
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00:31:20.000So in summary, Marx was a product of his times when the growing pains of the Industrial Revolution that he judged to be inherent to capitalism on a whole.
00:31:34.000He saw the system as permanently exploitative by its nature, and that exploitation would last until the next stage of history when it was overthrown.
00:31:43.000It was necessary, but it was transitional.
00:31:46.000Marx thought of himself as articulating the bridge between evil capitalism, private property, and utopian communism.
00:31:56.000He felt God was a trick to keep the poor in line and content with not having much in its lifetime.
00:32:03.000He famously said that religion is the opiate of the masses.
00:32:08.000Marx articulated clearly that God had to go.
00:32:12.000This is one of the biggest reasons why those people that call themselves liberals or leftists, socialists or communists, and Christians, have very little understanding about what Marx actually believed.
00:32:24.000For Marx, he believed God was a barrier to the next historical utopian paradigm.
00:32:30.000Many times, a lot of you email me questions.
00:32:32.000You say, what does the left really want?
00:32:49.000For some of the masters of this chaos, for some of these people that are being continually pushed, there is a much more simple answer to that.
00:32:56.000The answer is they actually think that they're part of a historical dialectic to bring about meaningful utopia and change on earth.
00:33:06.000Those of us that believe in the Bible and those of us that believe in the Christian ethic and Christianity, we know that heaven will never be attained on this planet.
00:33:16.000It won't happen, but we can get very close to hell on earth.
00:33:21.000Marx argued that the stages of transition he said were going to happen would have to involve bloodshed.
00:33:29.000Now, again, he believed the stages of transition he said were going to happen would have to involve bloodshed.
00:33:36.000The ruling class would not easily take part with what they had.
00:33:39.000It had to be forcibly taken for the socialist transition to be necessary.
00:33:44.000So when BLM Incorporated says they are trained Marxists, they believe that bloodshed is a means to the end.
00:33:52.000There are three short books that had more impact on the world we're living in that I encourage all of you listening to check out.
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00:34:37.000Now, he didn't necessarily support the same sort of bloodshed that Lenin and Stalin would have used.
00:34:44.000I think he actually would have been repulsed by it.
00:34:46.000But in the revolution part of it, he knew that there was no way to avoid it.
00:34:50.000Marx, again, believed that people were fundamentally good, that communism would allow for that transformation back to what our nature actually is, with the added plus of having solved our own, our one real problem, which he considered to be scarcity.
00:35:07.000But the question we have to ask ourselves today is, what was Marx right about and what was he wrong about?
00:35:12.000He was wrong about the state of nature.
00:35:15.000But he argued that in a fully capitalist society, corporatism would come in.
00:36:03.000Thomas Hobbes clearly said that man in the state of nature was nasty, brutish, and short.
00:36:12.000So the question is, what do we take from this?
00:36:15.000It's that true trained Marxists, if they really understand what Marx is talking about, they think that everything we're living through is just a dialectic.
00:36:24.000It's just a step on the way where history really begins.
00:36:28.000We're actually not living through real time right now.
00:37:38.000And so we as Christians, or even if you're not a Christian listening to this podcast, and we have lots of Christians not listening to this podcast, because we talk about all sorts of different topics, but ask yourself, who are human beings if you put them in a state of nature in the woods absent of no government?
00:38:01.000Literally, there was a character called John Locke on Lost, who he himself is, of course, after the philosopher, John Locke.
00:38:09.000And of course, in Lost as well, there was another fictional character called Rousseau.
00:38:13.000So the writers knew exactly what they were doing.
00:38:15.000They were trying to answer this question is, who is man in the state of nature?
00:38:18.000I don't believe there was a character by the name of Hobbes that there should have been, because I believe Hobbes was correct about the state of nature.
00:38:23.000Hobbes' view of nature, of man and nature, was biblical.
00:38:30.000We know this to be true, that I actually think what divides us from complete savagery as human beings and civility, that line is a lot thinner than we might ever realize.
00:38:40.000And so if you challenged Marxists or Marx and showed them examples of how his ideas actually resulted in 130 million people being killed in Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, Marx would say, this is not what I predicted.
00:38:54.000Perhaps some intentions were good, but these were all cases of people trying to rush history and attach my name to totalitarian causes.
00:39:01.000Here's the problem, though, is that Marxism inevitably ends in totalitarianism.
00:39:07.000It does, because human nature will show in the hierarchy, somebody is going to use the teachings and the promises of Marxism of building utopia and a better tomorrow to rise to the top and exploit people and destroy human freedom.
00:39:21.000The biggest problem with Marxism is not just the analysis of human beings in the state of nature.
00:39:26.000It's also, they do not believe that human beings should have first principles, the right to assembly, speech, organizing, communication.
00:39:51.000Now, Marx actually was not very well respected while he was alive.
00:39:56.000The real first person to institute Marx widespread was Vladimir Lenin in the Russian Revolution.
00:40:03.000As a Bolshevik, he rose to power against the czars of Russia and promised people things that he thought might actually be possible, but he destroyed the dissidents.
00:40:14.000And no matter how much the Soviet Union tried to move towards absolute Marxism, they would always run in the same problems.
00:40:22.000Human beings had the same sorts of needs, the same sorts of desires, the same sorts of urge to find meaning, and totalitarian Marxism can never fill that void.
00:40:35.000Marxism is a very serious threat in our country.
00:40:40.000But I think the transitional peace right now is not socialism.
00:40:48.000I think before we get to communism, it's not going to be socialism.
00:40:50.000This is something I think Marx got wrong.
00:40:53.000I think the transitional piece, before the communists might take over everything, which I hope doesn't happen, but it's looking more and more likely that the Marxists are gaining power.
00:41:04.000It's that corporate America, massive mega companies within our own country that assume the role of government, they themselves will be the transitional piece to what Marx argued as the true beginning of history.
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