The Charlie Kirk Show - Karl Marx EXPLAINED and Trump Leads with Hispanics in Florida?

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00:00:13.000 What exactly is going on in Rochester?

00:00:14.000 And who is Daniel Prude?

00:00:16.000 Also, Donald Trump is now tied in Florida.

00:00:20.000 And most of this episode, we are going to be exploring the ideas of Karl Marx.

00:00:25.000 I have now heard six times in the last 24 hours on television someone say the term Marxism.

00:00:31.000 Yet so few people understand what it actually means, where it's derived from, what Karl Marx thought, where he was actually trying to take humankind.

00:00:41.000 We go into that in so much more on this episode.

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00:01:14.000 Marxism, Rochester, Florida polling, and so much more.

00:01:19.000 This is a very important episode.

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00:01:51.000 Marxism and so much more.

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00:02:28.000 What is going on in Rochester, New York?

00:02:32.000 I want to get into that first, and then I'm going to dive into a question that a lot of you have sent in.

00:02:39.000 What is Marxism?

00:02:41.000 A lot of people use the term Marxist, but very few people understand what a Marxist actually is.

00:02:47.000 So I want to dive into what is happening in Rochester with the death of Daniel Prude, and then I'm going to give a comprehensive and in-depth explanation of what Marxism is and what it isn't and what we can actually learn from Karl Marx, which actually, believe it or not, we can learn quite a lot.

00:03:04.000 So this is just breaking right now.

00:03:05.000 Rochester Police Chief, command staff, announced retirement amid protests over the death of Daniel Prud.

00:03:12.000 Who is Daniel Prude?

00:03:13.000 And how did he die?

00:03:15.000 And what are people protesting and rioting about in Rochester?

00:03:18.000 So if you haven't seen over the last weekend, Rochester has now become the new Kenosha.

00:03:23.000 It's become the new Portland.

00:03:24.000 It's become the new Seattle.

00:03:25.000 Rochester is now ground zero for the rioting, the arson, and the protests.

00:03:30.000 So here's how the New York Times wrote up the death of Daniel Prude.

00:03:36.000 They first started editorializing with needless context about George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.

00:03:44.000 Then they continue to actually tell us the facts.

00:03:46.000 Quote, in the early hours of March 23rd, in the early hours on the 23rd of March, Mr. Prude ran from his brother's home in just a tank top and long underwear on a freezing night.

00:03:58.000 A short time later, officers responded to a 911 call of a naked man who was ranting in the streets and telling at least one passing stranger that he had the Chinese coronavirus.

00:04:08.000 So let's just put a pause here.

00:04:10.000 Daniel Prude is without any clothes in the streets rambling about having the Chinese coronavirus.

00:04:16.000 Now, mind you, this is just hours after his brother had him hospitalized for what the Times call a, quote, mental health crisis.

00:04:23.000 Yet he was released three hours later, quote, without diagnosis.

00:04:29.000 Toxicology reports would later show that Prude was high on PCP, commonly known as angel dust.

00:04:35.000 The article continues by saying, officers arrived and handcuffed Mr. Prude without incident as he sat in the street.

00:04:41.000 Between prayers and profanities and demands for money or a cigarette or even a gun, he spat on the street, ignoring officers' commands to stop.

00:04:49.000 And the footage continues to show an officer draped a mesh hood, which is known as a spit sock, over his head, which does not suffocate you.

00:04:58.000 It doesn't.

00:04:58.000 It's not like putting a garbage bag over somebody.

00:05:01.000 It just prevents officers from being spit at or for being agitated.

00:05:06.000 So he became even more aggressive, attempting to rise to his feet.

00:05:10.000 So Prude started by becoming arrested peacefully, albeit spitting on officers and in the area surrounding the officers, and then he got more and more belligerent.

00:05:20.000 The story continued by saying officers pinned him to the ground and his pleas turned into muffled gurgles inside the hood, then stopped altogether.

00:05:28.000 An ambulance arrived and a paramedic performed chest compressions.

00:05:31.000 Mr. Prude was in cardiac distress or coded in medical jargon.

00:05:36.000 One of the paramedics stood up and addressed the officers, quote, so PCP can cause what we call excited delirium, she said, as recorded on an officer's body camera.

00:05:45.000 Quote, I guarantee you that's how he coded.

00:05:47.000 It's not your guys's fault.

00:05:48.000 You've got to keep yourself safe.

00:05:51.000 So he's high on angel dust, goes into a cardiac arrest or heart attack, and dies a week later due to complications from his overdose combined with the struggle that came with resisting arrest.

00:06:02.000 The police chief later told the mayor the next day that Prude was, quote, an apparent drug user and overdosed while in custody.

00:06:10.000 Days later, Daniel Prude died in the hospital.

00:06:13.000 So Letitia James, the state attorney general, learned of the case on April 16th after her office was informed by a county district attorney of the preliminary autopsy report that showed asphyxiation was a cause of death.

00:06:25.000 Ms. James took over the case by April 21st and began an investigation.

00:06:28.000 The Rochester police were already closing their own internal investigation, interviewing the officers involved in reviewing their body cam footage.

00:06:36.000 It concluded on April 27th, based upon investigation, this is quote, based upon investigation, the officers' action and conduct displayed when dealing with Prude appear to be appropriate and consistent with their training.

00:06:49.000 That led to the community, that led to the community to begin accusing the Rochester police chief of a cover-up.

00:06:55.000 A two-decade veteran of the force and a black man, LaRon Singletary, repeatedly insisted that there was, quote, no cover-up.

00:07:04.000 But the narrative is now one of, quote, police brutality in the wake of George Floyd's murder, which overtook reality and made one black man, the chief, public enemy number one in the death of another black man.

00:07:17.000 So if I were to go through the stats here, I don't understand why people are rioting and are marching in the streets of Rochester.

00:07:23.000 This has now become a professional protesting class in our country where people now find meaning in fighting the system, trying to find another incident that can confirm their false presupposition that the police are racist and are trying to kill them.

00:07:36.000 You look at the details of this case, it seems very clear.

00:07:39.000 There was a paramedic that came to the scene, completely cleared the police officers for what they did, putting on a spit sock where someone can still breathe, and he dies of asphyxiation.

00:07:50.000 And so it wasn't police-induced, and none of the body camera footage says that it is, and he died a couple days later in the hospital.

00:07:56.000 So now the entire Rochester Central Command of police have resigned.

00:08:01.000 And now in Rochester, which does have a sizable black population, we are going to see continued riots.

00:08:08.000 We are going to see continued arson and terrorism.

00:08:11.000 This is not an incident, even close or similar to that of George Floyd.

00:08:16.000 But if you're an activist and you believe in ideology first and facts second, then incidents like this are nothing more than confirmation bias, even though there's nothing to confirm.

00:08:27.000 Even though that what actually happens might be completely contradictory to the narrative that you believe in, which is no matter what, the police are racist. 0.85

00:08:38.000 They're going after black people. 0.86

00:08:39.000 Here's another example of a black person that died near police officers. 0.96

00:08:43.000 None of the facts show that.

00:08:44.000 We are going to continue to closely follow this story and dive deeper into it as facts emerge.

00:08:50.000 However, none of this warrants nationwide outrage or protest, and none of it warrants the endless amount of conflict that is now happening in Rochester, the arson and the looting and the professional protesting class that has found a new home in the streets of our country and now Rochester, New York.

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00:10:26.000 Before we get into Karl Marx, I want to talk about some new polling.

00:10:30.000 Fox News is now reporting that President Trump and Joe Biden are now deadlocked in Florida with just eight weeks to the general election.

00:10:36.000 A new NBC Marist poll has both candidates polling at 48% among Florida likely voters.

00:10:42.000 This is the first NBC Marist poll of its kind in Florida 2020.

00:10:46.000 And the poll questioned 1,047 registered voters, including 766 likely voters by live telephone operators.

00:10:53.000 The survey sampling error for likely voters is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

00:10:59.000 These are the two big shifts from the same poll in 2016.

00:11:02.000 Biden is winning with 65 plus voters, but Donald Trump is leading with Latino voters. 0.96

00:11:09.000 It's incredible. 0.91

00:11:10.000 Donald Trump is leading with Latino voters.

00:11:14.000 Trump is leading sizably amongst Latino voters of Cuban descent and all Hispanic voters in the state of Florida.

00:11:22.000 And I want to just put a spotlight on Miami-Dade County for just one moment.

00:11:26.000 Anyone who knows Florida electoral politics knows that Republicans don't need to win Miami-Dade County to win Florida.

00:11:32.000 They just need to run up the numbers on their account.

00:11:34.000 They just need to lose by less or run up the numbers.

00:11:37.000 Donald Trump is doing just that, closing the gap between him and Biden compared to the 2016 race.

00:11:42.000 A poll of 500 likely Miami-Dade voters released Tuesday found that Trump was far behind the Democrat nominee, Joe Biden.

00:11:50.000 However, he actually was trailing by much less than he lost to Hillary Clinton in Miami-Dade County.

00:11:57.000 He cut that deficit in half.

00:11:58.000 President Donald Trump is looking very good and very positive in the state of Florida.

00:12:04.000 So we've covered BLM Incorporated quite a lot here on this program.

00:12:08.000 We have wrestled with some of the ideas of critical race theory and, I believe, cross-examined it with a factual, evidence-based approach.

00:12:16.000 We have some phenomenal guests that we've had on this show, such as James Lindsay and Peter Bogogian.

00:12:21.000 I encourage you to check out the episodes where we have profiled those thinkers and those writers.

00:12:26.000 However, quite often I use the term Marxist.

00:12:29.000 That person is a Marxist.

00:12:31.000 Now, I know what that means, but I have to stop myself and I ask, do all of you know what that means?

00:12:37.000 And does everyone in the news media even know what that means?

00:12:41.000 We talked about how BLM Incorporated described themselves as trained Marxists.

00:12:45.000 But where does that come from?

00:12:47.000 So let's actually dive into the writings and the teachings of Karl Marx.

00:12:52.000 And this is very important as we head into this contentious election cycle when you have one candidate, Joe Biden, who is pandering routinely and continually to Marxist activists.

00:13:04.000 Now, there's two things to remember when we are discussing the ideas of any famous political philosopher.

00:13:09.000 We talk about Descartes, we talk about Aquinas, Augustine, Cicero, Marcus Aurelius, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Burke, Hume, Locke, or Paine.

00:13:18.000 We always try to preface it with this.

00:13:21.000 They were all products of the times in which they lived in and of everything that happened up until that point.

00:13:27.000 And every single one of these political philosophers, including Karl Marx and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, they were right about something.

00:13:36.000 No philosopher, would it be more important to remember the second point, right about something, than it is with Karl Marx.

00:13:43.000 Now, Karl Marx got a lot wrong.

00:13:45.000 Karl Marx's ideas were applied so horrifically that resulted in the death of over 100 million people.

00:13:53.000 But it's also important to know that maybe Karl Marx had some correct observations.

00:13:58.000 We're going to talk about just that.

00:13:59.000 Karl Marx might hold the trifecta claim to being as being the most referenced philosopher, the most influential philosopher, and the least read philosopher who lays claim to the first two points.

00:14:10.000 That's right.

00:14:11.000 People mention Karl Marx more so than almost any other political philosopher, yet so few people have actually read Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto, and so few people actually understand what he was trying to achieve. 0.54

00:14:27.000 See, the woman founders of BLM, again, declare themselves to be Marxists.

00:14:31.000 The Soviet Union, Mao's China, Fidel's Cuba, Mins, Vietnam, North Korea have all laid claims to be Marxist communists.

00:14:39.000 The Marxist communist movement is incredibly powerful, dangerous, and very contemporary.

00:14:46.000 Very dangerous and contemporary.

00:14:48.000 It's also very much misunderstood.

00:14:51.000 Most people think that Marx invented communism.

00:14:55.000 He didn't.

00:14:56.000 He wasn't even the first choice to write about it.

00:14:59.000 What he did do is make the philosophical argument for it as the disavowing, contemptuous philosopher.

00:15:07.000 It is important to note that as Marx described it, we have never had a true communist country anywhere in the world.

00:15:14.000 We could, however, be on the verge of having one just as Marx described, but with a twist that he did not foresee.

00:15:21.000 The venue would be the United States, and the twist would be the true nature of humans.

00:15:25.000 If Marx was right, and if I'm right, then we would truly need to understand Marxism and stand up and fight with everything we have.

00:15:32.000 Otherwise, we risk having a country governed by the star characters of something close to the walking dead.

00:15:38.000 Now, we're going to get into human nature in just a second.

00:15:41.000 However, before we start, there are some very key terms that have to be defined.

00:15:44.000 Number one is the dialectical process.

00:15:47.000 You might have heard me mention this before, the Hegelian dialectic.

00:15:52.000 This is a concept that is created by George Hegel that suggests that all things, including history, grudgingly and deliberately move forward through a mechanical, conflict-inherent and oppositional process.

00:16:05.000 This has been described as a thesis creating an opposite reaction, an antithesis or antithesis, and the two form a synthesis, which in turn become a new thesis, and so on.

00:16:15.000 This dialectical process continues until the final synthesis is reached.

00:16:20.000 We also have to describe the term historicism, a belief that all social and cultural phenomenon are determined by history.

00:16:27.000 History is not some simple recounting of what has happened.

00:16:30.000 History is happening with a purpose.

00:16:33.000 This is another Hegelian theory.

00:16:35.000 Also, determinism, that all events are ultimately caused by forces external to human will.

00:16:41.000 We are essentially pawn to history.

00:16:43.000 The die is cast for each of us and for all of us.

00:16:46.000 Also, materialism, that nothing exists except matter, movements, and the modification of matter.

00:16:52.000 Said in a more contemporary way, existence is about stuff.

00:16:56.000 These are the four key ingredients to Marx's writings and ideas.

00:16:59.000 A little bit of background of Karl Marx, the person.

00:17:02.000 Karl Marx was born in 1818 in Prussia, which is now known as Germany.

00:17:06.000 His family was middle-class and Jewish.

00:17:08.000 He actually went to university, which was a rarity at the time, and the family hoped for him to become a lawyer.

00:17:13.000 Obviously, it didn't happen.

00:17:14.000 They said maybe you should become a professor.

00:17:16.000 Also didn't happen, but he did join the local newspaper.

00:17:19.000 He managed to get it shut down with his radical ideas.

00:17:22.000 He wanted to be a revolutionary writer.

00:17:25.000 He was run out of Prussia, went to France, run out of France, and eventually found home in London, in England.

00:17:31.000 And he lived the rest of his life there.

00:17:33.000 His wife, Jenny Von Westphalen, which was his wife from 1843 to 1881, was very devoted and helped support him, had four children, two of whom died in part because they could not afford proper medical care.

00:17:44.000 This impacted his worldview greatly.

00:17:46.000 Marx saw the Industrial Revolution in Europe, a Great Recession of the 1840s, and the Irish potato famine.

00:17:52.000 All of those heavily impacted and influenced his ideology.

00:17:55.000 Marx had a famous sidekick.

00:17:57.000 Frederick Engels.

00:17:58.000 He lived from 1820 to 1895, was also born in Prussia.

00:18:02.000 His parents left Prussia and moved to England in 1842 in part because their young son was so radical, they feared for his and for their safety.

00:18:09.000 Engels became a very successful businessman and entrepreneur and very bourgeoisie.

00:18:15.000 He owned businesses.

00:18:16.000 He met Marx and became his benefactor.

00:18:18.000 He was essentially the capitalist behind funding all of Marx's work.

00:18:22.000 He was almost the theophilus to Luke, who wrote the book of Luke and Acts.

00:18:26.000 For those of you that understand the Bible, understand the reference completely.

00:18:30.000 He had a major piece of his own, quote, conditions the working class is in England.

00:18:35.000 Legend has it that he wrote it with inspiration, help, and contribution from a lover and factory worker, Mary Burns.

00:18:41.000 That's a different podcast for a different time.

00:18:43.000 Engels was a 19th century version of the Silicon Valley elite, the masters of the universe.

00:18:49.000 So communism, of course, has its roots in Plato and his attack on private property and the idea of the need for a takes a village approach.

00:18:57.000 Hillary Clinton famously wrote the book, It Takes a Village.

00:19:01.000 The communist movement started in some form in the 19th century during the Industrial Revolution.

00:19:07.000 It actually started without Karl Marx.

00:19:09.000 That's right, communism predated Marx.

00:19:11.000 It was done informally and organically in places like Prussia, France, and Spain.

00:19:16.000 It is the French who coined terms like socialism and communism.

00:19:19.000 These terms were coined well before Marx started writing.

00:19:22.000 The Communist Manifesto is a commissioned work by a communist group out of Prussia, the Communist League.

00:19:28.000 Marx actually was not the first choice to write it.

00:19:30.000 Marx was a 10th or 12th option down the line.

00:19:34.000 Marx wrote extensively over his life.

00:19:37.000 With his and Engels combined, their magnum opus was Das Kapital, not the Communist Manifesto, it was actually Das Kapital, which came well after the Communist Manifesto, and it laid out the historical argument for the labor theory of value.

00:19:54.000 It is considered primary and first and foremost as an economic text.

00:19:59.000 So here's where everyone gets things wrong.

00:20:01.000 Here's what Marx actually said.

00:20:03.000 We have to be honest and truthful.

00:20:05.000 Even some conservatives get this wrong at times.

00:20:07.000 That's why I so greatly appreciate those of you that support us at charliekirk.com slash support, because we can dive deep into what did these thinkers actually believe and how does it apply to what we're living through today.

00:20:19.000 Marx is known for three primary things.

00:20:21.000 Number one, his theory of history.

00:20:23.000 Number two, his critique of capitalism.

00:20:26.000 And number three, his idea on alienation.

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00:22:08.000 So let's go through each one of these.

00:22:10.000 First of which, theory of history.

00:22:12.000 Marx, again, was a determinist, meaning that the course of history is knowable and already set.

00:22:16.000 We cannot escape it.

00:22:18.000 He was actually a fan of his contemporary, Charles Darwin, and dedicated Das Kapital to him.

00:22:23.000 You might not know that.

00:22:24.000 That Darwinism and Marxism are actually very much inspired by one or the other.

00:22:29.000 He saw an evolutionary nature to man and history with a sort of natural selection process leading toward improvement.

00:22:36.000 He believed the Enlightenment was right, that you could come up with natural and scientific explanation for the changes in society, that everything is knowable.

00:22:43.000 Now, he actually rejected a lot of Enlightenment ideas as well.

00:22:45.000 We'll get into that in just a second.

00:22:47.000 He believed in Hegel's dialectic, but where Hegel argued that it was bringing us toward an end of history, Marx thought it was bringing us toward the beginning of true history.

00:22:56.000 Kind of hear that in a lot of the language, a lot of these campus activists, that everything before us hasn't really happened.

00:23:02.000 We're the beginning of time.

00:23:03.000 Marx believed that, quote, communism is the solution to the problem of history.

00:23:08.000 That the problem of history is the problem of scarcity.

00:23:10.000 So here's the process.

00:23:12.000 You start with a philosophical anthropology.

00:23:14.000 What makes humans different?

00:23:16.000 Most say reason.

00:23:18.000 Marx says we are the only animal that refashions its environment based on our needs.

00:23:23.000 We are reflexive, not instinctive in that sense.

00:23:26.000 Reason evolved out of necessity to refashion environment.

00:23:31.000 Very Darwinian in this sense.

00:23:32.000 He says that man is a, quote, producing animal by our nature.

00:23:36.000 He said a division of labor is a natural thing, even found in primitive hunter-gathering societies.

00:23:42.000 He believed every society experiences scarcity, that no society has ever been able to produce enough to satisfy all human needs and wants.

00:23:51.000 Now, given these shortages, it is predictable that groups will always establish itself in some sort of a ruling class of some sorts.

00:23:59.000 It is casually created.

00:24:00.000 It is predictable.

00:24:02.000 Marx said it is natural.

00:24:04.000 It is the rational action of an animal acting on, first, a reflexive need to alter our environment and productive by nature.

00:24:11.000 Number two, the fact that we are naturally have divisions of labor.

00:24:15.000 Number three, that the fact there is scarcity.

00:24:17.000 All of this was built around historical materialism.

00:24:21.000 In terms of historicism, there are two key forces.

00:24:24.000 Number one, historical persons.

00:24:26.000 Number two, the forces of production, meaning the means of production.

00:24:29.000 This is where you hear a lot of the Marxists say the workers need to own the means of production, such as actual tools, facilities, and equipment, raw materials.

00:24:38.000 And the second of which is abstract human labor power.

00:24:42.000 Now, science is very important to Marx.

00:24:44.000 It improves abstract labor power.

00:24:47.000 He believed that everything evolves around where people stand in their relation to the production process.

00:24:52.000 The way that he looked at things was slave, master, lord, subject, worker, owner.

00:24:57.000 History itself is a result of economic activity centered around labor, control, production, wants, needs, and scarcity.

00:25:06.000 He thought that all other structures were just superstructures, state, church, culture, habits, arts.

00:25:10.000 He thought it was all about economics.

00:25:12.000 Everything is set to determine and make legitimate the necessary means and methods of production.

00:25:19.000 Now, there were three great historical modes of production stages in Western civilization.

00:25:25.000 There's the slave mode, which he argued happened mostly during the time of the Roman Empire.

00:25:30.000 There was the feudal mode, which replaced Rome, not so bad, where medieval laws were much more concerned about prestige than status, about profits.

00:25:38.000 And better techniques for farming made sense to give people some land to work more or less on their own, so as long as they produced.

00:25:46.000 And also the capitalist mode, the one that they were in in the time of Marx.

00:25:50.000 Technology had made production techniques so efficient it made more sense to rent the labor through wages.

00:25:56.000 It could be easily deployed or discarded.

00:25:58.000 Now, each new mode or prosecution gestates into the prior one.

00:26:03.000 For example, feudalism bordered the Roman Empire, capitalism and trade in places of Venice, Amsterdam, etc., emerging in the late medieval period.

00:26:10.000 Capitalism, which Marx really hated, was the beginning of the end of what he calls the end of this form where true history can begin.

00:26:20.000 He thought that transitional point was called socialism.

00:26:23.000 Socialism is what Marx's original work was peddled under, not communism, because the transitional piece is what was being pushed.

00:26:32.000 Socialism, again, is the gestational form of communism in a capitalist society.

00:26:37.000 Capitalism, he believed, led to communism because of its failings, excesses, and abuses.

00:26:44.000 Once the dialectical process reaches communism, it means that you are now truly free and real human history is set to begin.

00:26:52.000 So how does capitalism fail?

00:26:54.000 How do free markets collapse in and of itself?

00:26:56.000 How are people alienated from themselves?

00:26:59.000 Let's first look at the failures of capitalism and Marx's critique, and these are in his words, not my words.

00:27:06.000 Marx believed that capitalism was the first dynamic system.

00:27:08.000 Marx ascribed to the labor theory of value just like Adam Smith.

00:27:12.000 He believed that technology was constantly improving.

00:27:15.000 Therefore, each laborer became more productive, therefore less valuable.

00:27:19.000 He believed that profits are nothing but the excess of price over the value that has been created by and paid for by labor.

00:27:26.000 More and more things produced with more and more exploited labor.

00:27:32.000 He believed that recessions happened.

00:27:34.000 He did not like this.

00:27:35.000 He believed that modern work was alienating.

00:27:38.000 He believed that modern work is insecure.

00:27:40.000 He believed that workers get paid very little while others get rich.

00:27:43.000 He called this a primitive accumulation of wealth.

00:27:47.000 He believed that profit was a form of theft.

00:27:50.000 He also thought that capitalism and markets were unnecessarily and immorally unstable.

00:27:57.000 He believed that capitalism is actually bad for capitalism and argued that the marriage itself of human beings is actually a business relationship.

00:28:05.000 He called it commodity fetishism.

00:28:08.000 He played very much into the feminist movement of what he would call the liberation of women.

00:28:14.000 That's a different conversation for a different time.

00:28:16.000 He did not believe in private property.

00:28:18.000 He believed in free public education.

00:28:21.000 And also, Marx went through three distinct stages of human needs, and these roughly correspond to his historical stages.

00:28:28.000 The natural self.

00:28:28.000 This is where we have our basic need of subsistence, of the natural urge to reproduce.

00:28:35.000 He believed that people were naturally good.

00:28:40.000 He believed that human beings are good in the state of nature.

00:28:44.000 He believed that our traditional values drowned in the icy waters of their egotistical calculation.

00:28:50.000 This is very Rousseauian.

00:28:54.000 We'll get back to the human nature piece, but that's really what this entire conversation is about.

00:29:00.000 It's not about BLM Inc., it's not about communism.

00:29:03.000 It's about how are human beings naturally?

00:29:06.000 What is our general direction?

00:29:09.000 What is our programming, our hardwiring?

00:29:12.000 Are we naturally going to be in the good direction or the bad direction?

00:29:16.000 That is how you build society.

00:29:21.000 Who are we in the state of nature is the most important question a human being can answer.

00:29:27.000 And for those that are Christians, those of us that believe in the Bible, we have an answer to that question.

00:29:33.000 He believed that laws eventually in communism would no longer be required.

00:29:37.000 Now, communism was almost a state of utopia, which literally means nowhere.

00:29:42.000 This is where we get the actual meaning from each according to its ability to each according to their need.

00:29:46.000 It is not about welfare, it is about ending the alienation process.

00:29:49.000 Remember, Marx believed that modern work was alienating.

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00:31:20.000 So in summary, Marx was a product of his times when the growing pains of the Industrial Revolution that he judged to be inherent to capitalism on a whole.

00:31:31.000 No growing pains.

00:31:33.000 This is it.

00:31:34.000 He saw the system as permanently exploitative by its nature, and that exploitation would last until the next stage of history when it was overthrown.

00:31:43.000 It was necessary, but it was transitional.

00:31:46.000 Marx thought of himself as articulating the bridge between evil capitalism, private property, and utopian communism.

00:31:54.000 Now, Marx is a famous atheist.

00:31:56.000 He felt God was a trick to keep the poor in line and content with not having much in its lifetime.

00:32:03.000 He famously said that religion is the opiate of the masses.

00:32:08.000 Marx articulated clearly that God had to go.

00:32:12.000 This is one of the biggest reasons why those people that call themselves liberals or leftists, socialists or communists, and Christians, have very little understanding about what Marx actually believed.

00:32:24.000 For Marx, he believed God was a barrier to the next historical utopian paradigm.

00:32:30.000 Many times, a lot of you email me questions.

00:32:32.000 You say, what does the left really want?

00:32:35.000 What is their end game?

00:32:37.000 Where are they trying to get to?

00:32:38.000 Now, for some of the activists that are being deployed for these purposes, they really don't know.

00:32:44.000 They're just bitter. 0.98

00:32:46.000 They're arrogant. 1.00

00:32:47.000 They're full of deceit. 0.92

00:32:49.000 For some of the masters of this chaos, for some of these people that are being continually pushed, there is a much more simple answer to that.

00:32:56.000 The answer is they actually think that they're part of a historical dialectic to bring about meaningful utopia and change on earth.

00:33:06.000 Those of us that believe in the Bible and those of us that believe in the Christian ethic and Christianity, we know that heaven will never be attained on this planet.

00:33:16.000 It won't happen, but we can get very close to hell on earth.

00:33:21.000 Marx argued that the stages of transition he said were going to happen would have to involve bloodshed.

00:33:29.000 Now, again, he believed the stages of transition he said were going to happen would have to involve bloodshed.

00:33:36.000 The ruling class would not easily take part with what they had.

00:33:39.000 It had to be forcibly taken for the socialist transition to be necessary.

00:33:44.000 So when BLM Incorporated says they are trained Marxists, they believe that bloodshed is a means to the end.

00:33:52.000 There are three short books that had more impact on the world we're living in that I encourage all of you listening to check out.

00:33:59.000 And you guys can go to thinker.org slash Charlie, T-H-I-N-K-R dot org slash Charlie to get summaries of all three of these.

00:34:06.000 Terrific website, thinker.org slash Charlie.

00:34:09.000 It is The Communist Manifesto, Common Sense by Thomas Paine, and The Prince by Machiavelli.

00:34:16.000 Rather short pieces of work, very important and critical to how we are able to analyze the world we live in today.

00:34:25.000 And so for the Marxists, they derive this from the Prince that the ends justify the means.

00:34:31.000 Marx knew bloodshed was going to happen.

00:34:36.000 He knew it.

00:34:37.000 Now, he didn't necessarily support the same sort of bloodshed that Lenin and Stalin would have used.

00:34:44.000 I think he actually would have been repulsed by it.

00:34:46.000 But in the revolution part of it, he knew that there was no way to avoid it.

00:34:50.000 Marx, again, believed that people were fundamentally good, that communism would allow for that transformation back to what our nature actually is, with the added plus of having solved our own, our one real problem, which he considered to be scarcity.

00:35:07.000 But the question we have to ask ourselves today is, what was Marx right about and what was he wrong about?

00:35:12.000 He was wrong about the state of nature.

00:35:15.000 But he argued that in a fully capitalist society, corporatism would come in.

00:35:21.000 We talked about this yesterday.

00:35:22.000 He said that we'd have large perceived gaps of income, that people would be bored with their work.

00:35:27.000 We'd have militant type of insurgent forces that would be very disenfranchised, booms and busts, and other things.

00:35:34.000 So I'm not saying that Marx was correct about the application of things.

00:35:40.000 But we are near where Marx said history would bring us, whether we like it or not.

00:35:46.000 This was determined.

00:35:47.000 The dialectic has been moving.

00:35:50.000 We would seem poised to enter the beginning of communistic history, right?

00:35:55.000 But here's the biggest problem.

00:35:57.000 Despite what Marx correctly predicted, he was wrong about human nature.

00:36:02.000 We know this.

00:36:03.000 Thomas Hobbes clearly said that man in the state of nature was nasty, brutish, and short.

00:36:12.000 So the question is, what do we take from this?

00:36:15.000 It's that true trained Marxists, if they really understand what Marx is talking about, they think that everything we're living through is just a dialectic.

00:36:24.000 It's just a step on the way where history really begins.

00:36:28.000 We're actually not living through real time right now.

00:36:31.000 That bloodshed might be necessary.

00:36:33.000 Now you might say, well, Charlie, what did, again, Marx get correct?

00:36:36.000 He wasn't wrong when he was saying the excesses of capitalism are something that must be addressed.

00:36:41.000 He knew that people needed meaning of some sort.

00:36:44.000 He just thought they wouldn't find meaning at all in the marketplace.

00:36:46.000 I think a better way to address this is, of course, through Christianity, which Marx mocked and thought we had to get rid of.

00:36:53.000 So Marx, again, is the most influential philosopher, the most referenced philosopher, but the least read philosopher.

00:37:00.000 When people ask you about Karl Marx, reference this podcast.

00:37:04.000 Dive into it.

00:37:06.000 Because Marx's communism might just look a lot like Hobbes' state of nature.

00:37:12.000 So when Marx thinks we can get rid of all private property and all of civil society, he thinks we're going to go to utopia. 0.56

00:37:17.000 I think we'll go to hell.

00:37:19.000 It's completely different.

00:37:21.000 Because what this all really is, is who are we absent of all of these institutions?

00:37:27.000 It is a constant and deliberate question of do you believe in the Garden of Eden?

00:37:33.000 That's what's going on in our country right now.

00:37:35.000 Do you believe in original sin?

00:37:38.000 And so we as Christians, or even if you're not a Christian listening to this podcast, and we have lots of Christians not listening to this podcast, because we talk about all sorts of different topics, but ask yourself, who are human beings if you put them in a state of nature in the woods absent of no government?

00:37:52.000 Who are they?

00:37:54.000 How do they act?

00:37:55.000 There was a show that tried to answer this question, a fictional show, called Lost.

00:37:59.000 You guys might remember that show.

00:38:01.000 Literally, there was a character called John Locke on Lost, who he himself is, of course, after the philosopher, John Locke.

00:38:09.000 And of course, in Lost as well, there was another fictional character called Rousseau.

00:38:13.000 So the writers knew exactly what they were doing.

00:38:15.000 They were trying to answer this question is, who is man in the state of nature?

00:38:18.000 I don't believe there was a character by the name of Hobbes that there should have been, because I believe Hobbes was correct about the state of nature.

00:38:23.000 Hobbes' view of nature, of man and nature, was biblical.

00:38:29.000 It's correct.

00:38:30.000 We know this to be true, that I actually think what divides us from complete savagery as human beings and civility, that line is a lot thinner than we might ever realize.

00:38:40.000 And so if you challenged Marxists or Marx and showed them examples of how his ideas actually resulted in 130 million people being killed in Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, Marx would say, this is not what I predicted.

00:38:54.000 Perhaps some intentions were good, but these were all cases of people trying to rush history and attach my name to totalitarian causes.

00:39:01.000 Here's the problem, though, is that Marxism inevitably ends in totalitarianism.

00:39:07.000 It does, because human nature will show in the hierarchy, somebody is going to use the teachings and the promises of Marxism of building utopia and a better tomorrow to rise to the top and exploit people and destroy human freedom.

00:39:21.000 The biggest problem with Marxism is not just the analysis of human beings in the state of nature.

00:39:26.000 It's also, they do not believe that human beings should have first principles, the right to assembly, speech, organizing, communication.

00:39:38.000 Do not believe that at all.

00:39:39.000 In fact, it's a total rejection of any sort of ideas of liberty and freedom.

00:39:44.000 Marx did not believe in the idea of the individual.

00:39:47.000 He believed in comrades.

00:39:49.000 He believed in collectivism.

00:39:51.000 Now, Marx actually was not very well respected while he was alive.

00:39:56.000 The real first person to institute Marx widespread was Vladimir Lenin in the Russian Revolution.

00:40:03.000 As a Bolshevik, he rose to power against the czars of Russia and promised people things that he thought might actually be possible, but he destroyed the dissidents.

00:40:14.000 And no matter how much the Soviet Union tried to move towards absolute Marxism, they would always run in the same problems.

00:40:22.000 Human beings had the same sorts of needs, the same sorts of desires, the same sorts of urge to find meaning, and totalitarian Marxism can never fill that void.

00:40:35.000 Marxism is a very serious threat in our country.

00:40:40.000 But I think the transitional peace right now is not socialism.

00:40:43.000 I think it's actually kleptocratic corporate fascism.

00:40:48.000 I think before we get to communism, it's not going to be socialism.

00:40:50.000 This is something I think Marx got wrong.

00:40:53.000 I think the transitional piece, before the communists might take over everything, which I hope doesn't happen, but it's looking more and more likely that the Marxists are gaining power.

00:41:04.000 It's that corporate America, massive mega companies within our own country that assume the role of government, they themselves will be the transitional piece to what Marx argued as the true beginning of history.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 09, 2020

Karl Marx EXPLAINED and Trump Leads with Hispanics in Florida?

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