00:00:03.000Why is it that Democrats are refusing to debate?
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00:03:33.000So this is Katie Hobbs, who is the Secretary of State corrupt racist, who says that she can't debate Carrie Lake because her schedule is pretty set.
00:03:44.000I don't have time to debate, to talk to voters, play cut four.
00:03:49.000Are you saying this morning that there is no circumstance that you can envision or would even try to negotiate in which you and Carrie Lake would appear at a debate together before the election?
00:03:58.000This point in the race with 30 days to go, our schedule in terms of forums is pretty much set.
00:04:08.000Here's the thing: I'll be very honest.
00:04:11.000I thought going into the general election, I'm new to Arizona, I'm new to Arizona politics, and Tyler Boyer, who runs Turning Point Action for Us, is kind of the Arizona wizard with this stuff.
00:04:20.000He told me for a while, Katie Hobbs is not a good candidate.
00:04:22.000Nyla, obviously, I heard him, but I thought, man, there's no way that she could be this awful.
00:07:28.000If you're an Arizona Democrat, do you think things are going well?
00:07:32.000And the answer is like, oh, yeah, they think things are just going swimmingly and the polls are tightening and all that.
00:07:39.000You have these recent tracking polls between Katie Hobbs and Carrie Lake, and it's looking very, very good for Kerry Lake in more ways than one.
00:07:50.000And Katie Hobbs is spending massive amounts of money, massive amounts of money on television.
00:08:03.000And of course, Katie Hobbs is funded by out-of-state kind of Silicon Valley oligarch types that want to change and transform Arizona into kind of a California surrogate state to kind of become a satellite state of California.
00:08:34.000She understands the issues that Arizonans care about.
00:08:37.000And Carrie Lake also has almost ubiquitous name ID.
00:08:40.000Kerry Lake was on local television for nearly 25, 30 years.
00:08:45.000And I have to say that the idea that Katie Hobbs is refusing to debate is actually turning into a much bigger political downside than if Katie Hobbs just went and lost in the debate.
00:08:55.000She's getting asked about it all the time.
00:08:58.000It's turned into a much bigger political liability than Katie Hobbs double and triples down on it.
00:09:02.000And everywhere she goes, people say, well, why won't you just debate her if she's such a threat to democracy, then beat her in a debate?
00:09:09.000And the message of like not debating by saying there is no debate to be had, it's so totalitarian and fascist when you think about that.
00:09:17.000Oh, yeah, I don't need to debate my opponents.
00:09:19.000I mean, just in a couple minutes, when we're done here, I'm going to be heading to the University of Texas, Austin, and we're going to have some debates.
00:09:26.000We're going to have some disagreement.
00:09:27.000We're going to have some spirited conversation.
00:09:32.000We'll see if anybody actually wants to talk.
00:09:58.000And it's as if they know their ideas are so indefensible that they don't even want to show up to be able to debate.
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00:11:08.000I'm just fascinated by this entire thing of we don't allow debate, but it's a theme, isn't it?
00:11:13.000You can't debate whether or not someone is trans on Twitter.
00:11:16.000You can't debate the vaccine on YouTube.
00:11:19.000Katie Hobbs does not want to debate Kerry Lake.
00:11:34.000And having dialogue, having conversation where you might be able to find common ground and we might be able to have some form of a moderate solution, that's not allowed.
00:11:45.000You know, the lack of debate, I really believe, radicalizes our politics.
00:11:50.000I think debate gets us closer towards moderate and prudent and common sense solutions for everybody.
00:11:59.000When you don't debate, then you can misrepresent your opponent.
00:12:02.000It's not a good sign when these candidates do this.
00:12:06.000And it doesn't do any service to the voters in terms of deciding, looking at the contrast between us and how we're going to govern if all she's going to do is shout over me, interrupt me, and spew lies.
00:12:22.000So she certainly will not go unanswered.
00:12:25.000We've looked for opportunities for formats where I can talk directly to voters.
00:12:29.000They can hear directly from me without the spectacle that Carrie Lake is going to create.
00:12:49.000It says, how to watch a debate between Arizona gubernatorial candidates in your imagination, because evidently it won't take place anywhere else.
00:12:55.000Hobbs has said that, quote, debating a conspiracy theorist like Carrie Lake, whose entire campaign platform is to cause enormous chaos and make Arizona the subject of national ridicule, would only lead to constant interruptions, pointless distractions, and childish name-calling.
00:13:18.000And you see, a debate is important because you have to be able to see how they stand under pressure.
00:13:24.000And, you know, debates don't always mean that much.
00:13:26.000That's what's so weird about the Katie Hobbs calculation is that all Katie Hobbs had to do was somewhat prepare, hire some Democrat swindling consultant.
00:13:37.000Kind of just get a couple one-liners and then go out there.
00:13:39.000Look, I mean, Mark Kelly got completely obliterated by Blake Masters.
00:13:44.000Mark Kelly, I know, went to relieffactor.com after that debate because I don't think he could be able to even walk after Blake Masters metaphorically beat him.
00:13:55.000And I think, I mean, you look at Katie Hobbs, who just says, I want nothing to do with that.
00:14:03.000And it's causing a much deeper problem.
00:14:06.000And it opens this philosophical issue, which is the side that doesn't want the debate probably stands for some form of a totalitarian government.
00:14:17.000The person who is willing to take questions and dialogue and answer and lean in, I trust that person a lot more.
00:15:04.000But it's turning into an incredible political liability for them because decent independent voters in Arizona, which there are a lot of decent independent voters, that are not Republican, they're not Democrat, the one thing that they won't put up with is candidates that don't want to debate.
00:15:34.000And any candidate that refuses to debate, like Maggie Hassan or Hassan, or whatever her name is, in New Hampshire, she just backed out of a scheduled debate.
00:15:45.000It shows that they don't respect their voters, that they don't think their voters need to see a collision of ideas.
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00:17:17.000And how should we react to the media smear job of Herschel Walker?
00:17:22.000Well, it's good to be with you, Charlie, and it's incredible.
00:17:25.000I'm out here at your compound in Phoenix, Arizona, and you're there in Texas where I live.
00:17:30.000So obviously our planes flew past each other in the middle of the day or the night.
00:17:35.000Look, the thing that we have to understand is that there are two different sets of rules for the left and for conservatives.
00:17:43.000And right now, I think there was an article written in townhall.com by, I think, Scott Moorhead, and he talked about looking beyond these, you know, these attacks and these things that people are bringing out and focus on what is the long issue.
00:17:58.000Do we want to have Raphael Warnock continue to be a senator from the state of Georgia, continue to vote along a very dangerous agenda, which undermines the morality of this country?
00:18:10.000No person out there is completely perfect.
00:18:13.000The only perfect person to walk this earth is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
00:18:18.000And I think that one of the things we have to start looking at is, again, let's address the issues.
00:18:24.000And, you know, the left is always good about attacking personalities and character that they believe.
00:18:30.000But I think that in the long run, if you want to talk about who's going to be best for the state of Georgia, who's going to be best as a senator for the United States of America, without a doubt, it's Herschel.
00:18:38.000And yeah, you've known Herschel for quite some time, and he denies the allegations.
00:18:43.000And he also has been very clear about his position on life and what he will do as a U.S. Senator.
00:18:49.000Why is it, do you think, Alan, that so many people on the right kind of get weak knees at this kind of situation?
00:18:56.000I mean, we've seen so many, you know, awful character assaults, assassinations, Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump, and many times they turn out to be total and complete lies.
00:19:07.000Why do you think that people on the right have such short memories when it comes to this stuff?
00:19:11.000Well, I was just going to bring up the example of President Trump.
00:19:14.000I mean, President Trump, if you want to talk about the life issue, had a complete epiphany, a complete metamorphosis.
00:19:20.000And he was the most pro-life president that we've ever seen.
00:19:23.000But the early Donald Trump was definitely not that.
00:19:26.000If you want to talk about, you know, some issues with character, what have you, there were plenty of those things that were brought out about President Trump.
00:19:33.000But in the long run, what happened for the United States of America?
00:19:44.000And so, again, I think that what happens on our side is we end up participating in this Pavlovian-like experiment of the left where we continue to react to these vicious, vile attacks that they put out there.
00:19:57.000Look at what just happened with Jennifer Ruth Green, an Air Force Academy graduate, an Air Force veteran, where they actually went in unauthorized, got her military personnel file, and put it out there.
00:20:10.000And one of the things in her personnel file was she was the victim of sexual assault when she was in Iraq.
00:20:18.000And we have to, you know, steal our resolve and stand up and not allow ourselves to be cow tiled to that because the only thing they have, Charlie, is the name-calling, the attacks against a person.
00:20:58.000You have Robert Francis O'Rourke running up against Greg Abbott.
00:21:01.000Obviously, you believe that Greg Abbott could be a lot more conservative and do a better job.
00:21:05.000But are you in a position now where you think, hey, we have to consolidate?
00:21:08.000We have to get behind Greg Abbott, even with some of the things we don't like.
00:21:12.000Maybe he's doing more good than bad, especially with the threat of Robert Francis O'Rourke.
00:21:16.000How should conservatives view maybe a lesser of two evils argument going into November this close to the midterms?
00:21:22.000You know, I really get tired of the lesser of two evils thing.
00:21:25.000I mean, we should really have outstanding candidates.
00:21:28.000I look at what is happening with Senator Mike Lee up in Utah, where you don't even have the other senator from Utah, Mitt Romney, supporting him.
00:21:37.000And so often the GOP establishment tells the constitutional conservative grassroots base to just shut up and vote for our person.
00:21:46.000And they always undermine the conservatives.
00:21:49.000You look at our legislative priorities.
00:21:51.000I was in the Republican Party of Texas and the legislative priorities that we had completely disavowed and dismissed by the leadership there in Texas.
00:21:59.000And I think that it comes a time when people get tired of being abused and cast aside and dismissed.
00:22:08.000It'll be a lot tighter than people believe because Texas is incredibly so transitioning to something we don't want to see happen.
00:22:16.000The left is very good at going into successful red states and they take over the major urban population centers.
00:22:22.000And unfortunately, we have governors that go out to California, some of these other places, and they ask for these major businesses and corporations to move there.
00:22:30.000But we don't put a restriction on the amount of employees that they can bring in instead of them hiring people in Texas or in Tennessee or in Georgia or what have you.
00:22:41.000So this is like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:22:43.000Now, what O'Rourke is doing, he's going out into the rural areas.
00:22:46.000I mean, he's going to Alpine, Texas, out in West Texas, and getting 600 some people to show up, Fredericksburg, Texas.
00:22:53.000So I think that this is a lesson that has to be learned.
00:22:56.000And I think you're going to see a little bit different avenue going forward in Texas and some of our other strong red states.
00:23:03.000Yeah, I don't think Robert Francis is going to win.
00:23:05.000I think it's going to be tighter than people think.
00:23:07.000That's such an important point, though, that you bring up, Colonel West, where you mention how these red state governors, they will go to other states.
00:24:34.000It is the Atlanta metropolitan area, Macon, Savannah, Columbus, and Augusta.
00:24:38.000But what was the big change in Georgia was that we went out and asked Hollywood to move to Georgia.
00:24:44.000And we gave them all of these tax abatements and things of that nature.
00:24:48.000And now Georgia is completely different.
00:24:49.000And the same thing is happening in Texas.
00:24:52.000Yes, we want to have a thriving economy in Texas.
00:24:54.000We want to be a big tech hub, but you got to think about some of the people that you're allowing to come in.
00:25:00.000Instead of growing your own talent organically within the state of Texas, you're going out and you're getting Google and you're getting Meta and all these other people.
00:25:09.000And the other thing, when you combine it with what you are doing is so important, you have these leftist colleges and universities there in Texas.
00:25:17.000You're going to go speak at the University of Texas, Austin.
00:25:20.000That is rated as one of the worst campuses for conservative students in the United States of America.
00:25:25.000And then furthermore, you're allowing leftism to creep in into your high schools, into your independent school districts.
00:25:31.000Who would have ever thought that in Texas we'd have drag queen story hour or we'd have kids going to drag queen drag shows or child gender modification surgery in Texas?
00:25:42.000But yet that was one of the legislative priorities that the Republican controlled legislature in Texas and Governor Greg Abbott did nothing to rectify our resolve.
00:26:38.000And so, you know, Colonel West, what should the agenda be for red states for us to preserve our values against these blue state invading imperialists?
00:26:49.000Well, first and foremost, you don't invite them in.
00:26:51.000And if you do invite them in, you tell them that these are the standards.
00:26:56.000You know, it is absolutely what Einstein called the pure definition of insanity to continue to do the exact same thing and think you're going to get different results.
00:27:04.000So why would you move your business here from a failing state being a California, Illinois, New York, or New Jersey, and you want to turn a successful red state into where you just departed?
00:27:14.000And when you look at Houston and Harris County, I want you to think about that's the cradle of the oil and gas industry darn near of the world.
00:27:23.000But yet we have people in Texas that are voting against their own interests with a strong oil and gas industry that made the United States of America energy independent.
00:27:32.000The number one exporter of liquefied natural gas in the world is Port Arthur, Texas.
00:27:38.000But yet we have people that are voting against that.
00:27:41.000And so we need to, as Republicans, come out and talk about these things.
00:27:45.000And I don't think we do a good job drawing that clear delineation between the progressive socialist left, the Marxists, and constitutional conservatives.
00:27:54.000Yeah, that is such an important point.
00:27:56.000It just is so perplexing to me to see the oil capital of the world then voting against oil.
00:28:03.000I really think I'm going to be in Houston, Texas tomorrow.
00:28:06.000If I see a Tesla in Houston, Texas, I'm going to say this has been quite the green energy invasion.
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00:29:18.000I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that's under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers who are driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism, who actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms that are enshrined in our Constitution, who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality,
00:29:45.000who demonize the police but protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, who believe in open borders, who weaponize the national security state to go after their political opponents, and above all, who are dragging us ever closer to nuclear war.
00:30:02.000Now, I believe in a government that's of the people, by the people, and for the people.
00:30:09.000Unfortunately, today's Democratic Party does not.
00:30:12.000Instead, it stands for a government that is of, by, and for the powerful elite.
00:30:19.000Now, I'm calling on my fellow common sense, independent-minded Democrats to join me in leaving the Democratic Party.
00:30:27.000If you can no longer stomach the direction that the so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, then I invite you to join me.
00:30:38.000And I want to tell you that really that was one of those Saul to Paul epiphany moments.
00:30:44.000And I think what Tulsi Gabbard has come to the realization, she is a commissioned officer in the United States Army.
00:30:51.000And I would say that every single person that is a veteran and people that have served, you take an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America.
00:31:01.000And I don't understand how anyone that has taken an oath to the Constitution in the United States of America aligned themselves with a group of individuals, a political ideology and philosophy of governance that is the antithesis.
00:31:14.000It is anathema to our constitutional republic.
00:31:18.000And so I think that she has come to that realization.
00:31:20.000And here was someone that once upon a time was on the platform to run to be a president, nominee for the Democrat Party, that endorsed Bernie Sanders, an avowed quote-unquote Democrat socialist.
00:31:33.000But now she's realizing the dangers of that philosophy of governance, which has evidenced itself throughout history to be dangerous.
00:31:42.000And so I think that more veterans are going to sit back and say, you know, I took an oath to this Constitution.
00:31:48.000These people do not believe and stand for the Constitution, which really is a restraining document on the powers of the federal government and is empowering to the individuals and especially as you talked about, Charlie, the states.
00:32:01.000And we got to get back to that system of federalism.
00:32:04.000And so I welcome her coming away from that incredible cabal of dangerous people.
00:32:12.000Well, Colonel Alan West, I couldn't agree more.
00:32:14.000It's amazing how many veterans still vote Democrat.