The Charlie Kirk Show - January 06, 2023


Kevin’s Crucible with Lauren Boebert and Noel Fritsch


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Lauren Bobert makes the case for why she is never going to vote for Kevin McCarthy. And Noelle Fritsch talks about what it will take for Kevin to get a deal done. Charlie Kirk is running for the White House.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Lauren Bobert makes the case of why she is never Kevin.
00:00:05.000 And then Noel Fritsch talks about what it's going to take for Kevin to get a deal done.
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00:01:23.000 Okay, so someone says, Charlie, show some courage instead of supporting the swamp.
00:01:27.000 It's really rich saying I support the swamp.
00:01:29.000 That's hilarious.
00:01:30.000 The question should be, why don't McCarthy support move to another candidate like Byron Donalds?
00:01:37.000 What hold does McCarthy have over them?
00:01:40.000 Okay, I'm not saying I support this, but let me tell you how, let me just tell you the reality of how the House works.
00:01:45.000 Kevin, for the last decade, has been House Majority Leader.
00:01:50.000 Actually, I'm not sure.
00:01:50.000 He was whipped before.
00:01:51.000 He was in leadership.
00:01:53.000 And by doing that, you raise a lot of money and you travel the country.
00:01:57.000 So the way the process works is the House leadership raises a bunch of money and they dish out that money to support candidates in critical races.
00:02:10.000 And a lot of candidates struggle to raise the amount of money that is necessary to win.
00:02:14.000 And so then they rely on leadership to come in and to support them.
00:02:17.000 I don't love that system, but it's a reality, that system.
00:02:20.000 And so it's not even a matter of what does McCarthy have over them.
00:02:25.000 It's he's developed relationships with them for years and has been supporting them.
00:02:32.000 And by supporting them, he develops friendships and relationships in an expectation that they're going to support Kevin in leadership if he is to be speaker, if he's trying to become speaker of the house.
00:02:47.000 Lauren Bobert voted for Kevin of Oklahoma.
00:02:50.000 I don't even know what that means.
00:02:52.000 So maybe Kevin Stitt, the governor of Oklahoma.
00:02:57.000 It's not Kevin McCarthy.
00:02:58.000 I think she's trying to troll people by do that.
00:03:01.000 Who knows? 0.99
00:03:02.000 And Lauren's going to join us in a second.
00:03:03.000 So essentially, the way it works, again, I'm not a fan or supportive of it, but it's the way that the House is structured is that you need to raise every cycle anywhere between $250 to $300 million to just be competitive.
00:03:16.000 Pelosi raised about $400 to $500 million.
00:03:19.000 It's a lot of money.
00:03:21.000 And so then you dish out that money and just you distribute that money in districts via super PACs, direct contributions, leadership packs, all sorts of different ways.
00:03:30.000 And so there is a fear that if you do not have someone in leadership, who's going to be able to raise that money?
00:03:38.000 I don't buy into that fear.
00:03:40.000 Whoever is in leadership, they'll be able to go through and raise the necessary money to be able to do this and to be able to get towards victory.
00:03:45.000 But a lot of these people are not going to vote for anybody but Kevin because Kevin helped them when they were early in their career.
00:03:53.000 You take someone, for example, a Maria Elvira Salazar.
00:03:57.000 Maria Elvira Salazar is a congresswoman in Miami.
00:04:01.000 Kevin McCarthy came in in the 2020 election and spent millions of dollars in that district. 0.98
00:04:07.000 I think it was Donna Shalala that Maria Elvira Salazar beat. 0.99
00:04:11.000 Shalala was a Clintonite who was in a very comfortable Democrat seat. 0.98
00:04:15.000 Kevin McCarthy came in and raised millions of dollars and spent millions of dollars to help get Maria Elvira Salazar across the line. 0.99
00:04:24.000 Now, Elvira Salazar has been a moderate and a disappointment on a lot of different votes.
00:04:28.000 I know her, and I say this openly.
00:04:30.000 But you can't fault Elvira for then supporting Kevin, the person that spent the most amount of money that got her to be a congressperson.
00:04:38.000 Let's take another example: Burgess Owens, former football player, played for the Oakland Raiders.
00:04:44.000 I think he even won a Super Bowl.
00:04:46.000 He was in a very, very tight race in Utah, an extremely tight race for Mia Love's old seat.
00:04:51.000 Kevin McCarthy raised a bunch of money, came in, and supported Burgess Owens.
00:04:56.000 So Burgess Owens feels that he has a sense of obligation to Kevin McCarthy, who came in and spent millions of dollars.
00:05:04.000 Now, I could tell you who did not spend millions of dollars, the conservative MAGA base, which I'm part of, because we just didn't have that much money to do that, and it's just not what we do.
00:05:12.000 And so, some of these people that are very loyal to Kevin McCarthy, it's not because there's some sort of swamp dwelling deal.
00:05:19.000 I'm sure there's plenty of that, okay?
00:05:21.000 But some of it is as simple as young Kim, who has a seat in Orange County, where Kevin McCarthy came in a lot of money to help her get across the finish line.
00:05:29.000 And a lot of these people, like Nicole Malatakis, or Congressman Van Drew, or Santos, for example, they are in the more moderate districts and they need a lot of money to be able to get into office.
00:05:45.000 Love Andy Biggs, love Matt Gates, but they did not need as much resources to be successful.
00:05:52.000 Okay, now we have Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, who had a mostly peaceful interview with Sean Hannity last evening, and she's a great person and speaks at our turning point events.
00:06:02.000 I have a lot of respect for her.
00:06:04.000 Congresswoman, welcome to the program.
00:06:06.000 Thank you so much.
00:06:07.000 It's great to be on with y'all.
00:06:09.000 So, tell us what is the latest on the floor.
00:06:11.000 You just voted for Kevin from Oklahoma.
00:06:15.000 So, tell us about that.
00:06:16.000 Correct.
00:06:17.000 Yes, I do believe that Kevin Hearn is the true consensus candidate.
00:06:21.000 I've been getting asked many questions about who that person is that we're going to arrive on and actually begin having these real discussions rather than just proving that Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes.
00:06:33.000 I want to get to work.
00:06:34.000 The American people want us to get to work.
00:06:36.000 It's only been three days.
00:06:38.000 It's okay right now.
00:06:40.000 But we need to get a serious name in the mix that people can get behind.
00:06:45.000 And I do believe that that is Kevin Hearn from Oklahoma.
00:06:49.000 He was unanimously elected to the Republican Study Committee, 173 members.
00:06:55.000 It's the largest Republican caucus in the United States Congress.
00:06:59.000 He is a businessman from humble beginnings, has built an amazing life and is now serving his country.
00:07:07.000 It's an honor to serve with him.
00:07:09.000 And I believe that he would make a tremendous speaker of the house who could unite the Republican Party and get our country back on track, deliver the promises that we have made to the American people.
00:07:23.000 So, Lauren, is there any universe that you would then support Kevin?
00:07:29.000 Any concessions or any deal that could be struck?
00:07:33.000 Or are you in a no, Kevin?
00:07:35.000 And I think you need to make it clear that that's McCarthy at this point.
00:07:40.000 There is no universe where I support Kevin McCarthy.
00:07:45.000 There was a deal January 2nd.
00:07:47.000 We've been working for months, by the way.
00:07:49.000 This began in the summer.
00:07:50.000 We did not want this to come to the floor.
00:07:52.000 We wanted to handle this in private as adults, as members of Congress, to actually get together and work things out.
00:07:59.000 I have spent countless weeks away from my family developing rules and debating rules and procedures that empower individual members of Congress.
00:08:12.000 And in the summer, when these conversations began, Kevin McCarthy dismissed us because he raised $300 million and was expecting a massive red wave.
00:08:24.000 He did not need our votes.
00:08:26.000 When he saw that he failed to deliver that massive red wave, that's when he knew he needed to start listening to us.
00:08:33.000 But it was still very contentious.
00:08:35.000 It was very difficult to get very common sense items put into the rules package and moved forward.
00:08:43.000 And still, he fell short.
00:08:45.000 So January 2nd, myself, Matt Gates, Scott Kerry, we were able to get into a room of people who were never Kevin vote.
00:08:55.000 Matt Gates being one of them, there were five that said, there is nothing you can do to get me to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
00:09:01.000 And we were able to deliver 218 votes on ballot one and hand Kevin McCarthy the gavel if he accepted the term.
00:09:12.000 They were very common sense.
00:09:13.000 Bring a balanced budget to the floor.
00:09:15.000 Bring a term limits bill to the floor.
00:09:17.000 Bring the Texas Built Border Plan to the floor.
00:09:20.000 Allow members who are offering an amendment to reduce spending to have their amendment made in order so we can vote on it, vote on individual earmarks.
00:09:31.000 This is not anything that is outrageous or unreasonable or extreme.
00:09:36.000 We were laughed out of the room.
00:09:38.000 We were denied the deal.
00:09:40.000 And here we are.
00:09:42.000 He came out of that meeting and lied about those rules and trust is broken.
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00:10:32.000 So Lauren, when we talked at our event at AmericaFest, wasn't totally never Kevin.
00:10:40.000 Is something that happened this week that really broke the trust?
00:10:43.000 Am I reading that correctly?
00:10:45.000 Yes, you are.
00:10:46.000 So I've been working behind the scenes since the summer to unite the Republican Party, and I was doing so in good faith.
00:10:54.000 I had my own hard red line, which was denied up until maybe last night.
00:11:02.000 A messenger came to me and said Kevin's willing to move on single member motion to vacate to actually have a check and balance on the Speaker of the House.
00:11:12.000 And I haven't heard that from Kevin himself, but it wasn't just the fact that he turned down the deal where I delivered him 218 votes and the gavel on the first ballot.
00:11:24.000 It was more that he lied about the meeting that we had and said that we came in with a personal wish list that did not benefit the country.
00:11:33.000 He has apologized to one of us, three who were in that meeting in private.
00:11:38.000 And that member said, great, will you offer?
00:11:42.000 Yeah, so trust was broken.
00:11:44.000 We brought a deal to him January 2nd.
00:11:47.000 He lied about what was said in that meeting, said that we came and asked for a personal wish list.
00:11:51.000 And he has since apologized to one of us three in private.
00:11:57.000 And that member said, great, issue a public apology now.
00:12:00.000 And he said, I will not.
00:12:02.000 This man cannot be trusted.
00:12:04.000 He lies on a regular basis to our conference about us, about the deals that he's making and what he is working on and to the American people.
00:12:15.000 This is not a leader and certainly not the actions of a man that I want to support.
00:12:21.000 I will not be voting for Kevin McCarthy.
00:12:24.000 Trust is absolutely broken.
00:12:26.000 We need the tools in place to do our job correctly.
00:12:29.000 And we need leadership that is principled and who will deliver on the promises and not just say whatever they have to say for the political moment or to fundraise.
00:12:40.000 So I suppose, Lauren, the only question I have, and you're in the room, and so you can speak to this far better than I can, is that are any of the concessions, do you think that that has been meaningful?
00:12:53.000 Or is it just at the point where, look, I can't even take the concession seriously because there's no trust anymore?
00:13:01.000 Because when I hear things like we get representation on rules and motion to vacate and the CLF thing, that seems to be progress.
00:13:14.000 However, is your argument just, hey, we're done here regardless of how many concessions we get?
00:13:21.000 Well, there's many things in that.
00:13:24.000 As far as concession candidates, I believe that I just offered up the true concession candidate, Kevin Hearn of Oklahoma, the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, who is unanimously elected as chairman by 173 members.
00:13:37.000 This is someone who can actually unite the Republican Party.
00:13:41.000 You know, we have been offering a menu of names for people to join us with.
00:13:49.000 We have growing opposition against Kevin McCarthy.
00:13:53.000 There are members who even are in leadership, who I will not name, who are coming to us and saying there's not a single person in my district who wants me to continue to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
00:14:04.000 They are getting voter fatigue.
00:14:06.000 They are hearing from their constituents and from the nation that they do not want Kevin McCarthy to be speaker.
00:14:13.000 They see the corruption and the fraud that comes from him.
00:14:17.000 They see that he is part of the problem, part of the swamp.
00:14:20.000 And he's been in leadership for 14 years here, Charlie. 0.79
00:14:23.000 What has he delivered on other than raising $300 million for a massive red wave that didn't produce?
00:14:30.000 So there are 100 people allegedly, let's say it's 50 that say they're only going to vote for Kevin.
00:14:36.000 And some of that is believable because some people received a lot of support in their district.
00:14:40.000 If they're not going to move and you guys aren't going to move, I mean, but your guess is that they're going to move to Kevin from Oklahoma.
00:14:48.000 Is that your calculation that Kevin's going to be talking to my colleagues about, yes, I'm going to be talking to my colleagues about this aggressively and whipping votes for Kevin Hearn?
00:14:48.000 Is that right?
00:15:03.000 This is vital.
00:15:04.000 We are not budging.
00:15:05.000 Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes.
00:15:07.000 He should withdraw his name from the candidacy for speaker and allow us to move forward with a true concession candidate.
00:15:17.000 Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes.
00:15:20.000 It doesn't even matter if I change my vote, Charlie.
00:15:23.000 He does not have the vote.
00:15:25.000 So, yeah, it seems as if, at least the whispers I'm hearing, that some of the offers made by the McCarthy camp might have moved, I don't know, 10 people, but there's probably what, including you, six or seven holdouts.
00:15:38.000 And that is correct.
00:15:39.000 That means that.
00:15:40.000 I don't know how.
00:15:41.000 Go ahead.
00:15:42.000 I don't believe that that is accurate.
00:15:45.000 And if there is anybody who switches, there are still people who have said, he has betrayed me.
00:15:51.000 He has betrayed my friends.
00:15:53.000 He has lied.
00:15:54.000 He is untrustworthy.
00:15:56.000 I will not vote for Kevin McCarthy.
00:15:58.000 Look, Charlie, we want to get to work.
00:15:59.000 We want to do the things that we promised for the American people.
00:16:03.000 We're trying to get there.
00:16:04.000 They need to realize what life after Kevin is going to look like and hurry up and get there.
00:16:11.000 Lauren Bobert, any closing thoughts?
00:16:12.000 30 seconds remaining?
00:16:14.000 I just want everyone to know that this is not chaos.
00:16:18.000 It looks messy, but this is a constitutional republic working.
00:16:22.000 This is what our founding fathers intended.
00:16:24.000 We are to debate and cast our votes, not anoint a king and a kingdom.
00:16:29.000 This is beautiful.
00:16:31.000 We have all of the members of Congress gathered together actually debating.
00:16:34.000 I haven't seen that as a member of Congress yet.
00:16:37.000 And this is a beautiful thing.
00:16:39.000 We are going to get this right and we are going to deliver on the promises we made.
00:16:43.000 Lauren, thank you so much.
00:16:44.000 Appreciate you making the time.
00:16:45.000 We will be watching.
00:16:46.000 Thank you.
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00:17:54.000 Joining us now is Noel Fritsch.
00:17:57.000 So Noel for weeks has been saying, Charlie, it's not about Kevin.
00:18:02.000 It's about the rule.
00:18:03.000 It's about the rule.
00:18:04.000 It's about serious changes.
00:18:07.000 And Noel helps run National File, great website, nationalfile.com.
00:18:12.000 And Noel has been saying, hey, we need to depersonalize this.
00:18:15.000 And it's about concessions, about the rule.
00:18:18.000 And you've been supportive of these, you know, 20 people that have been holding out.
00:18:22.000 Now, Noel, you and I were texting last night.
00:18:25.000 Are we seeing some movement on the rule, the personality side?
00:18:28.000 Because we just had Lauren Bobert, and her argument was very personality.
00:18:31.000 I don't like Kevin. 0.99
00:18:32.000 He's a liar. 1.00
00:18:34.000 He's not the person for us. 0.98
00:18:36.000 You have a perspective on actually what could make Congress work better for the American people.
00:18:41.000 The floor is yours, Noel.
00:18:43.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:18:44.000 Appreciate you having me.
00:18:45.000 You're doing great work.
00:18:45.000 You're one of the first guys out there really platforming some of the folks like Matt Gates and Lauren Bobert famously not too many weeks ago when they were talking about this ball back in mid-December.
00:18:57.000 I happen to agree with Ms. Bobert on the personality.
00:19:02.000 And that might be a part of the whole thing.
00:19:04.000 However, this really needs to go back to the rules.
00:19:09.000 They need to go back to regular order.
00:19:10.000 That's what this should really all be about.
00:19:12.000 Now, that said, realistically, Kevin does have a trust problem.
00:19:17.000 And I think that that's what was reflected with what you heard from Ms. Bobert, who is a champion, by the way.
00:19:23.000 And so with that trust problem, Kevin has to do some real groundwork in fixing all of those issues.
00:19:31.000 You're going back more than a decade for some of those historians who have been around.
00:19:37.000 This party crackup started back in 11 and 12 with some government shutdowns, with the Republican Study Committee breaking up.
00:19:44.000 Um, there has been a really like almost like a hot war inside of the Republican Party between guys like you know, Boehner and their leadership funds and Paul Ryan and Canter, who was taken out by Brant.
00:19:56.000 Yep, exactly.
00:19:57.000 It's been going on for a decade, Charlie.
00:19:59.000 And that reflects in that second group of seven legislators led by Mr. Perry.
00:20:05.000 And I think Mr. Bishop was on that second letter.
00:20:07.000 A couple of others, new guys, Ogles and Crane.
00:20:10.000 And so, yeah, there are multiple different facets to this whole negotiation.
00:20:15.000 But at core, Kevin McCarthy has trust issues and problems and is a deficit.
00:20:20.000 There's a huge trust gap on behalf of the conservative wing of the party.
00:20:24.000 And it's not just the 20. 0.99
00:20:25.000 It's really important to note that there's way more folks that are just sub-Rasa. 1.00
00:20:31.000 They're right there. 1.00
00:20:33.000 And if something breaks the right way, you could see a lot or the wrong way for Kevin.
00:20:37.000 You could see a lot more votes against Kevin if he doesn't get serious about putting these concessions on paper.
00:20:45.000 And he can't use Manu Raju to do the negotiation anymore.
00:20:49.000 CNN, NBC, those aren't the guys that should be negotiating with these leaders like Chip Roy and Mr. Perry and Gosar and Good and Bishop and all the rest.
00:20:59.000 This should be the guys in a room at a table getting it done.
00:21:05.000 So let's pretend for a second, because I think this will illustrate a point I'm trying to make.
00:21:11.000 Let's pretend that McCarthy's trust is not a variable and just person X, let's say Jim Jordan, was the person that we trust, okay?
00:21:20.000 And said, here are the concessions.
00:21:22.000 How significant are these concessions, Noel?
00:21:27.000 He has got to put them in writing.
00:21:30.000 Let's pretend they're in writing.
00:21:32.000 How significant are they?
00:21:33.000 Is it super significant?
00:21:33.000 Is it little?
00:21:34.000 Okay.
00:21:35.000 And it gets done.
00:21:36.000 If what we're hearing is true, we're seeing guys like Rob Costa and Mr. Scott Wong from NBC tweeting out there about, I guess, Kevin has made the concession to come down to the one-member filing of the motion to vacate the chair.
00:21:52.000 If that's true, it's hard to know if it's true because we're talking about NBC and CNN here.
00:21:56.000 And I don't know who leaked that to them.
00:22:00.000 And that's the whole problem with the trust gap there, Charlie.
00:22:02.000 Right?
00:22:02.000 That's why I look, Kevin's got to go public.
00:22:06.000 He's got to stand up.
00:22:07.000 He's got to put his word behind these commitments.
00:22:11.000 And so, can you just walk our audience through what are some of these commitments?
00:22:14.000 Because some of this gets wonky, but it's super important.
00:22:17.000 This is something you, to your credit, have been so focused on.
00:22:19.000 You've been texting me, the rule, the rule, the rule.
00:22:22.000 And now you're saying, like, hey, there's some movement: regular order, no more omnibus, single-issue votes, right?
00:22:28.000 Rules committee steering committee.
00:22:30.000 So just walk our audience through.
00:22:31.000 Some of this is really wonky, but take as much time as you need.
00:22:34.000 You've got a lot of them right there.
00:22:36.000 And those are the big ones.
00:22:38.000 Another one that I would add to that list is the 72-hour time period to read these bills famously for a decade at least.
00:22:45.000 They always do this legislation by crisis.
00:22:47.000 They'll come right up to the deadline and then they'll drop three or four thousand pages on you and say, hey, pass it.
00:22:52.000 And it's got, you know, welfare and it's got Department of Defense and it's got Ag.
00:22:57.000 And basically what they're doing there is they're saying, hey, nice political career you got there.
00:23:01.000 It would be a shame if something happened to it.
00:23:03.000 Because what they the implication is it's a racket.
00:23:06.000 It's a mob scene, Charlie.
00:23:08.000 That's really what it is.
00:23:09.000 They're coming around to you and saying, we will end your career if you don't vote yes for this and give us our money.
00:23:15.000 Give us our money, the taxpayer dollars.
00:23:19.000 And so that's why these rules are so vital.
00:23:23.000 And so that's a really just a quick vignette to sort of explain.
00:23:27.000 Like you said, single issue bills, no more of these omnibus things.
00:23:32.000 All of that goes away if these rules get fixed.
00:23:34.000 And then we can actually maybe fix a lot of the country.
00:23:38.000 So, if McCarthy puts this in writing, I suppose it really, at some points, it does have to be in trust, right?
00:23:44.000 Because it can't be a contract, I guess.
00:23:45.000 But I suppose that's why the one vote motion to vacate is so important, right?
00:23:51.000 Because then what they'll do is they'll take it.
00:23:54.000 So, a lot of this will go to the steering committee, and there's a process by which all this gets rolled out here in the parliament, right?
00:24:02.000 And they'll hash it all out with these parliamentary procedures.
00:24:07.000 And there will be a rules package, and it'll be public or should be and then agreed upon, okay?
00:24:13.000 And so, that's that's why I know some folks are saying, hey, he's got to start to demonstrate some trust.
00:24:20.000 And the funny thing is, is there's a lot of leadership folks that are actually reaching out to a lot of the conservative side, media, you know, members' offices and saying, Hey, guys, please come to the negotiating table.
00:24:31.000 Look, these issues have been a topic of discussion that the House Freedom Caucus has made public since going back to like August and September.
00:24:41.000 There's a five-page memorandum that has all of this stuff in it.
00:24:45.000 You can go read it at nationalphile.com.
00:24:47.000 Charlie, I'll shoot it over to you so you guys can maybe talk about it some more and folks can read about what it is that these very reasonable requests that these Freedom Caucus members and conservatives are asking for.
00:24:57.000 And again, it's not just 20, there are many, many more who want this done, but they fear retribution from Kevin.
00:25:03.000 And again, going back to that trust gap issue that Kevin has, he's got to stop spanking people for asking for very common sense rules.
00:25:12.000 And so, yeah, how, I mean, if you were to say, how do you bridge a trust gap in this kind of high-pressure situation with a decade of memories and experiences to navigate?
00:25:27.000 Kevin has a lot of work to do, my friend.
00:25:30.000 He has a lot of work to do to fill that trust gap.
00:25:33.000 And so, again, leaking stuff to Manu Raju or Mr. Wong at NBC or Zenona at CNN or whoever else, that's not going to cut it for the negotiation.
00:25:44.000 I think he has to get really look, it's going to have to eat some humble pie.
00:25:48.000 Kevin has, look, Boehner, Paul Ryan, they never would have brought a vote like this.
00:25:53.000 He's starting off on a horrible foot, and it's all of his own doing.
00:25:57.000 Okay.
00:25:57.000 He's what is the job?
00:25:59.000 The job of speaker of the house.
00:26:00.000 And he has to count to 218 and 220 and 222 to pass legislation, right?
00:26:06.000 Well, he's failed his first test, has he not?
00:26:09.000 And so, do you think that Paul Ryan or John Boehner ever would have made these sort of concessions?
00:26:18.000 They were operating under a lot of these rules.
00:26:22.000 So, this is a restoration.
00:26:22.000 Got it.
00:26:24.000 Got it.
00:26:25.000 So, some of this is actually just getting us back to zero.
00:26:25.000 Okay.
00:26:29.000 Exactly. 0.67
00:26:30.000 That's what under no circumstances should a GOP-led House conference be borrowing from Nancy Pelosi's regime of rules to run the House.
00:26:30.000 Exactly.
00:26:41.000 I mean, that's in effect what's going on here.
00:26:43.000 You have a roll call vote now.
00:26:45.000 We're on this eighth one, and we're going to go to the ninth today, maybe.
00:26:48.000 I lose track, man.
00:26:50.000 Eight and nine times, these Republican representatives, Republican congressmen, are voting yes.
00:26:57.000 They're saying, Yes, put me down for Nancy Pelosi's House rules.
00:27:01.000 It's unacceptable.
00:27:02.000 They've got to stop it.
00:27:03.000 And you want to know how they can fix it?
00:27:05.000 All of those members in Texas, there's tons of them in Texas, okay?
00:27:09.000 And Chip Roy is leading the fight with Cloud down there in Texas, but there's Ronnie Jackson has to go to Kevin and say, Kevin, you got to give in on these rules.
00:27:18.000 You got to get serious about closing the trust gap, okay?
00:27:21.000 Trent Kelly in Mississippi, Mississippi, all of the Republicans there are voting for Nancy Pelosi's House rules.
00:27:26.000 Republicans in the state of Mississippi voting for Nancy Pelosi's House rules.
00:27:30.000 Same goes for Jerry Carl in Alabama.
00:27:32.000 Same, all of these guys.
00:27:34.000 They've got to go tell Kevin, hey, drop Nancy Pelosi's house rules, close the trust cap.
00:27:38.000 Let's get this done.
00:27:39.000 How significant is the Congressional Leadership Fund agreeing with Club for Growth not to participate in open safe primaries?
00:27:47.000 If you can trust it, Noel, I can, I bet you're like, but let's pretend it happens.
00:27:52.000 Is that a big deal?
00:27:54.000 I'm going to tell you why it's not a big deal because it's just one instrument that it really is.
00:28:03.000 They can move money through any number of instruments.
00:28:05.000 There are dozens and dozens.
00:28:07.000 There are tentacles, spider webs.
00:28:09.000 So instead of the Congressional Leadership Fund, it could be Restore America PAC or whatever, right?
00:28:15.000 Or how about it could be one of the FTX funds that Kevin used to spend $30 or $40 million against conservatives to kill all of the MAGA candidates and turn the big red wave into this tiny little pink trickle.
00:28:28.000 So, Noel, in closing here, before we go to a break and we kind of go back to this whole thing, never is a big term.
00:28:35.000 Lauren Bobert used the word never.
00:28:37.000 Do you think that is a wise thing for the caucus to say, considering some of the momentum towards what you consider to be meaningful concessions?
00:28:50.000 I think that she's taking a hard stance in negotiating.
00:28:54.000 And I think that for some people in the House conservative, the conservative wing of the House conference, that's a wise move for them to make.
00:29:01.000 Kevin has, he's still got a lot of work to do.
00:29:04.000 And I think that's, when you hear that word never from a Boebert or somebody else like a good or some of the hardliners who are doing great work, when you hear that word, what you need to hear is the trust gap has not been filled yet.
00:29:17.000 Kevin needs to earn our trust.
00:29:19.000 Yeah.
00:29:19.000 And this would definitely not fill the trust gap, but it's a possibility, just so everyone understands.
00:29:24.000 A possibility is one of two things: coalition government, which doesn't look likely, but what could happen quickly is the moderates get in Kevin's ear and they're like, dude, go find 10 Democrats and end this thing.
00:29:35.000 That's a reality.
00:29:37.000 And the moderates, they're not going to sit through this forever.
00:29:42.000 Okay.
00:29:43.000 A lot of these people are not movement conservatives.
00:29:45.000 I'm not trying to fearmonger, but I could see, I could see either Crenshaw or Van Drew or Malatakis going to Kevin and say, I could get this deal done, Kevin.
00:29:54.000 Noel, it is a possibility that Kevin and/or a moderate brigade, they just say, you know what, we're going to go make a deal with 10 Democrats.
00:30:04.000 Walk us through that.
00:30:05.000 Well, first thing I would say is the fact that that's even a conversation piece is really concerning.
00:30:12.000 And that should tell us everything we need to know about Kevin McCarthy first.
00:30:15.000 Second, there's a couple of different striations, I think, in there about what might potentially happen.
00:30:21.000 Rather than seeing the guys like Crenshaw and then Mark Levin, who doesn't know what Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution is, which is proportional representation, rather than talking about 10 Democrats flipping and going off the back end or 20 maybe to get the majority for some sort of coalition pick like a Liz Cheney or I don't know who else they might pick.
00:30:47.000 The guy from Illinois, Kensinger or whatever.
00:30:51.000 Rather than something like that, what would be more likely, Charlie, the way that this deliberative body works is you would have a lot of like backroom horse trading around committee assignments and committee ratios and things like that.
00:31:05.000 And then what you would see, I think, before you would see Republicans actually join in and go enable, vote with 212 Democrats, okay, thereby ending their career and maybe shifting a kicking off like some sort of watershed moment where we see the Republican Party totally implode.
00:31:23.000 I think you would see some of those Democrats maybe just voting president, president or abstaining to lower the threshold number from 218 down to 215 or 217.
00:31:33.000 But I don't think they're anywhere near that ballpark because of these numbers.
00:31:37.000 Okay, so in my opinion, I believe that whole narrative because of what I've just explained is totally horse squeeze and bogus.
00:31:46.000 And those guys pushing that stuff is total fear.
00:31:49.000 I know you're not doing that fear-mongering.
00:31:50.000 You're very measured, Charlie, and that's very much appreciated.
00:31:54.000 But those other guys are off their rockers.
00:31:56.000 Yeah, and I'm trying here.
00:31:58.000 And I do have, and I've a voice with my audience, after being burned in Arizona, after huge expectations, a lower risk threshold than other people have, than you have.
00:32:12.000 And right now, the strategy, like, hey, let's get more concessions, it's working, right?
00:32:18.000 And, but you know, Alinsky's rules for radicals, which is a tactic that goes along too long becomes a drag, right?
00:32:25.000 So there's a point of potential diminishing return.
00:32:28.000 So map this out for us, Noel.
00:32:30.000 What is the best case scenario for how you think this all ends up?
00:32:35.000 Okay, so from what I understand and national file, we've been down here all week on the ground, knocking on doors, talking to members, good, you know, on the conservative side and on the sort of leadership side.
00:32:49.000 And what we're hearing is that, look, this is a stalemate for right now.
00:32:55.000 Kevin's going to have to make a ton of concessions publicly.
00:33:00.000 He's going to have to close that trust gap.
00:33:03.000 I think you're going to see them take a day off probably tomorrow for January 6th.
00:33:08.000 It's funny, they don't get to fly home and enjoy their weekend or go to the Caribbean or wherever they go during January or February on their weekends.
00:33:15.000 But I think they're going to be here voting potentially Saturday, maybe Sunday.
00:33:19.000 I don't know.
00:33:20.000 And I think that's a pain point for some of these folks.
00:33:24.000 And you'll start to see the negotiations speed up.
00:33:27.000 I think you'll start to see some progress being made on those negotiations.
00:33:32.000 Hopefully, we can get real leadership out of Kevin and out of his office and his leadership team and Steve Scalise and those guys.
00:33:40.000 And they can make some really strong commitments.
00:33:44.000 And hopefully they will be taken at their word.
00:33:46.000 And then we can get to the business of the people.
00:33:49.000 And look, Kevin, Kevin really has a tough go here.
00:33:53.000 No matter what, he's going to have a very thin majority.
00:33:56.000 And look, he wants to be speaker.
00:33:58.000 So I'm just, I laugh.
00:34:01.000 You really want to be speaker after this to go deal with the debt limit and to go deal with Ukraine and deal.
00:34:05.000 I mean, man, you're sure you're not going to be able to do that.
00:34:08.000 That's going to be a very short-lived gig if he doesn't walk that tightrope very, very effectively.
00:34:14.000 And from what we're seeing right now, his vote counting skills aren't looking the best.
00:34:19.000 I don't know who wants to be speaker after all of that, man.
00:34:22.000 And that's, I want the Republican majority to be the most conservative Congress we can get for real oversight, real results, and to slow down a lot of the spending.
00:34:33.000 I know we won't be able to stop it, but we'll see what happens, Noel.
00:34:36.000 Thanks so much.
00:34:37.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:34:38.000 Appreciate it.
00:34:39.000 They are on their eighth round of votes.
00:34:41.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:43.000 Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:45.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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