The Charlie Kirk Show - Law and Order vs. Chaos ft. Stephen Miller

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 Hour two starts now.

00:01:12.000 I'm so excited about this guest.

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00:01:14.000 That is Stephen Miller, White House Deputy Chief of Staff and Homeland Security Advisor.

00:01:19.000 He is one of the architects of ending the scourge of illegal immigration in this country. 1.00

00:01:26.000 Deputy Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller, welcome to the show.

00:01:29.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:01:30.000 Great to be here.

00:01:31.000 Yeah, honored to have you.

00:01:33.000 Let's start right in Minneapolis last night.

00:01:35.000 News has just broke that the three illegals that attacked this ICE officer last night were all let in under Biden, were all Venezuelan illegals.

00:01:45.000 What is your message to Jacob Fry, to Tim Waltz, to Keith Ellison, that seem to be stoking the flames of actual insurrection in the state of Minnesota?

00:01:57.000 We also have rumblings in Philadelphia.

00:01:59.000 What is your message to them, Stephen Miller?

00:02:01.000 Well, first of all, as you mentioned, the three illegal aliens who were involved in this potentially deadly assault against an ICE officer, so somebody that could have very easily turned into a murder, and in fact, surely would have been a murder, was an attempted murder, but for the fact that the ICE officer acted heroically to save his own life and the life of others.

00:02:30.000 But what we've learned is that those individuals involved in this attempted murder were let into the country by Joe Biden as part of his four-year-long policy of mass releasing illegal aliens into the United States.

00:02:44.000 And so it's just an important reminder to think about where we were just one year ago when you had an administration, and that's right, just a year ago, right?

00:02:53.000 A year ago, you had an administration that every day was letting thousands of any random illegals who showed up at the southern border, single adult men in most cases, into the country, resettled on tax paradigm to commit unimaginable numbers of crimes and spread havoc and mayhem all over the United States.

00:03:14.000 And so this is a reminder of what an unbearable calamity we were living through as a nation during these four years of invasion and sabotage.

00:03:29.000 These are the illegals that are being shielded from deportation by the mayor, the attorney general, and the governor. 0.53

00:03:38.000 In the three of those individuals, you have a perfect illustration of how radical left Democrat governance consumes and destroys any paradise, any place over which they exert control.

00:03:56.000 You don't have to go back very far in time where Minnesota was the scene, the picture, the epitome of American idyllic living.

00:04:08.000 In other words, you don't have to go back that far.

00:04:10.000 It's within our national memory to go back in time to Minnesota as a place where the idea of a riot would be impossible.

00:04:18.000 You couldn't even conceive of the idea of having a riot in Minnesota, where the idea of violent crime would be unthinkable, where the idea of having massive Somali refugee welfare scams going going back in time, 0.91

00:04:36.000 two generations in Minnesota, and telling the men and women who live there, there would be a day when there would be a complete resettlement of Mogadishu into Minnesota and they would be stealing all the welfare. 0.98

00:04:49.000 It wouldn't have believed you if you tried.

00:04:51.000 So these individuals are waging a campaign of insurrection against the federal government to protect foreign invaders who are in their state and to obstruct federal law enforcement.

00:05:04.000 And it is a direct challenge in every respect to the authority of the federal government and the idea, the bedrock idea, the bedrock fact of our republic, which is that the federal government is the supreme law of the land, that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, that states do not have the right to carry out insurrection against the federal government.

00:05:29.000 Go ahead.

00:05:29.000 Yeah, we're very glad to hear you say that.

00:05:31.000 We were discussing at the outset of the show.

00:05:34.000 The left clearly sees this as a big test.

00:05:37.000 They recognize the importance of this.

00:05:39.000 They believe that if they can force ICE to back down in this clash, then they'll have gotten away with what they did under the Biden administration, that they brought in these 15 plus million people.

00:05:51.000 And if they can say it's too difficult to remove them, too disruptive to remove them, too tyrannical to remove them, they can get away with this atrocity.

00:05:59.000 And we're very glad, of course, to hear that you recognize those same stakes.

00:06:04.000 When you say it's insurrection, is of course a strong word.

00:06:08.000 Do we have to look at possible charges, not just against rioters, but against government officials who are abetting and encouraging this?

00:06:17.000 Well, I don't want to speak to any charges that may or may not apply since it's very important that whatever decisions the Department of Justice makes, whatever facts they analyze, are a result of DOJ's analysis of those facts.

00:06:40.000 But what I would say very clearly is that you only have to read their own words and hear their own words and judge their own conduct to understand that this is clearly an insurgency against the federal government.

00:06:55.000 They are describing the federal government as an occupying force.

00:07:01.000 I mean, just think about that for a second.

00:07:03.000 The federal government is responsible for the administration of federal law, the administration of federal benefits, the administration of federal resources, the administration of federal immigration enforcement in all 50 states.

00:07:18.000 The federal government, whether it's providing the funding for our entitlement and our safety net programs, whether it is providing security at our airports and our ports of entry, whether it is maintaining the safety and security of our roads, our transportation, our bridges.

00:07:36.000 And of course, the federal government has sole jurisdiction and authority over immigration law because we have one national immigration law.

00:07:43.000 We do not have, just like we have one national currency, we have one national flag, we have one national constitution, we have one national immigration law.

00:07:52.000 If you were to permit individual cities and states to ratify their own immigration laws for themselves, then you wouldn't have a republic and you wouldn't have a country.

00:08:01.000 And that's the proposition that Fry and Ellison and Wals are trying to test.

00:08:05.000 They are asserting that they have the unfettered right to harbor aliens who have no right to be in this country and to effectively, in fact, to incite violent insurrection from organized agitators against federal forces to prevent those federal forces from effectuating duly enacted immigration law. 0.84

00:08:32.000 We had a 10-year national, it really goes back for half a century, but the last 10 years, in particular, since President Trump declared his candidacy in June of 2015, we've had a great national debate about immigration, immigration enforcement, and sovereignty.

00:08:51.000 The issue, of course, was one of the largest issues in the 2016 campaign.

00:08:58.000 But I think you would agree for observers, I would argue that it was an even bigger issue in the 2024 campaign.

00:09:07.000 And so we had this great national debate and dialogue on immigration.

00:09:13.000 President Trump beat Joe Biden.

00:09:17.000 Then he beat Kamala Harris.

00:09:19.000 So he defeated two Democrat presidential candidates in a single campaign cycle, in which one of the central critiques throughout both those campaigns was on the question of immigration.

00:09:32.000 And then after we won, the first major piece of legislation that was enacted was a reconciliation bill, a budget bill to provide the largest increase in funding for immigration enforcement operations in American history.

00:09:50.000 So Americans voted, then the House voted, then the Senate voted.

00:09:55.000 Everybody voted to enact this agenda.

00:09:58.000 And now you have Democrat politicians and their radical, violent agitator base using or attempting to use force to veto the result of a democratic process.

00:10:16.000 In other words, they use violence to override votes.

00:10:21.000 That is what you're seeing, and that is what is happening.

00:10:23.000 I completely agree.

00:10:24.000 And Stephen, I think it's fair to call these communist front groups.

00:10:27.000 I think it's fair to call these militia thugs that are inspired and trained by communist front groups.

00:10:34.000 I have so many questions for you, Stephen.

00:10:36.000 So I'm going to try and get through them quickly.

00:10:38.000 But I remember you telling the world, telling me that the last message you got from Charlie was we have to root out the funding networks.

00:10:46.000 So that's question number one.

00:10:48.000 But second part of that question, so I would love to know an update on where we stand and rooting out some of these funding networks.

00:10:55.000 But there's so much else going on.

00:10:57.000 President Trump has now announced that 75 different countries he is pausing visas from 75 different countries.

00:11:04.000 I would love to know your POV on that.

00:11:06.000 How did we get there?

00:11:07.000 How did we arrive on that?

00:11:09.000 I do hear people asking, what about Mexico?

00:11:11.000 What about India?

00:11:12.000 So I'll let you chime in on that.

00:11:14.000 And then defunding sanctuary cities.

00:11:15.000 All of these are different pieces of this mosaic that you are working on.

00:11:20.000 It's all part of your portfolio.

00:11:22.000 The floor is yours.

00:11:23.000 Take any of those that you want, Stephen Miller.

00:11:26.000 Yes, you're right that the last message that Charlie sent me was about dismantling the left wing's structures of organized violence.

00:11:38.000 And shortly after that, In the aftermath of Charlie's assassination, President Trump issued a historic executive order that we refer to as NSPM 7, National Security Presidential Memorandum Number 7.

00:11:59.000 NSPM is different than other executive orders in that it establishes the architecture and infrastructure of U.S. security policy.

00:12:11.000 And that NSPM, for the first time ever, created a roadmap and a structure for treating these fifth column, this violent and fifth column, in the context of domestic terrorism. 0.65

00:12:28.000 And since then, there's been enormous progress made.

00:12:33.000 And we would all, of course, like more progress and more results more quickly.

00:12:39.000 But there's been enormous progress that has been made in mapping out these networks and developing the kinds of cases that will be necessary to deliver that crippling blow.

00:12:56.000 The kinds of work when you're talking about this is effectively counterinsurgency work is what we're describing here.

00:13:01.000 And sometimes counterinsurgency work, it can take a while to develop the, you can and should get quick hits and quick arrests, absolutely.

00:13:14.000 It can take some time to develop a full picture for purpose of then shattering and dismantling that organization of how it works, how it operates, how it communicates, because these are highly sophisticated organizations.

00:13:30.000 What's interesting is that the is that the response to the federal presence in Minneapolis has caused a lot of these organizations to unburrow from underneath the rocks where they hide and to come out in force.

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00:14:59.000 And so, with the thousands of officers that we have now in response to the incredible threats and violence in Minnesota, there's now within that an opportunity to interdict large numbers of these insurrectionists and then use them to gain insight into these networks and deliver criminal consequences.

00:15:28.000 So, you'll see a lot more progress in the near future.

00:15:32.000 I also want to point out, in the interest of transparency, that there was a study that was done In 2016, and it said that for all the employees at DOJ who had a recorded political donation, that 98% were to Hillary Clinton.

00:15:54.000 Somebody can check that.

00:15:55.000 It might have been 94%, 97%.

00:15:57.000 That's immaterial.

00:16:01.000 The greatest challenge that the administration has had with respect to the Department of Justice, which should of course be no surprise to you or your listeners and your viewers, is how thoroughly the Department of Justice at every level was infiltrated by deep state actors and activists.

00:16:21.000 And, you know, one of the most important things that we can do as a movement, just like at DHS, by hiring 10,000 new ICE officers, you're also, in so doing that, you're hiring 10,000 new pro-American patriots.

00:16:36.000 You're hiring 10,000 people who love their country and believe in their country and believe in the rule of law.

00:16:40.000 There is a desperate need, desperate need to do the same kind of project at DOJ in the sense that we need young patriots with law degrees to choose a career at the Department of Justice.

00:16:55.000 That's a medium term, that's a medium-term issue.

00:16:57.000 That's not a short-term issue.

00:17:00.000 We have the obligation to fix things in the short term.

00:17:03.000 And the Department of Justice understands this.

00:17:05.000 But if you want to change the character of federal law enforcement in this country, at the end of the day, the pipeline is the thing that matters most.

00:17:12.000 Who are the people that are actually charging the cases?

00:17:15.000 Who are the people that are actually sitting in the U.S. Attorney's offices?

00:17:18.000 Who are the careers at every level of these enforcement agencies and enforcement office?

00:17:23.000 Who works in the civil rights office?

00:17:24.000 Who works in the criminal division?

00:17:26.000 Who works in the National Security Division?

00:17:28.000 And one of the big mistakes that conservatives have made historically is they focus on policy to the exclusion of personnel.

00:17:36.000 And personnel is the most important consideration when it comes to policy.

00:17:41.000 And I don't just mean the personnel that you know, whose names you know, they're out there in the public.

00:17:45.000 I mean, it matters who the line attorney is in the office that you've never heard of.

00:17:50.000 It all matters.

00:17:51.000 And cumulatively, it matters enormously.

00:17:54.000 And so the Department of Justice understands this problem and this challenge, the deep state challenge.

00:18:02.000 And of course, look, every department inherited this when we came in, right?

00:18:05.000 So there's a deep state at DHS, there's a deep state at DOJ, there's a deep state at the State Department, there's a deep state at DOW, right?

00:18:12.000 I mean, everyone is confronted this.

00:18:14.000 And, you know, my last point, for example, Pete has done an extraordinary job rooting out the deep state in DOW.

00:18:21.000 But if I had to tell you where do I think the deep state was the worst on day one, the most corrupt deep state that anybody inherited, it was certainly a DOJ.

00:18:31.000 None of which in any way alleviates the burden that we have in the here and now to ensure that justice is done fully, fairly, completely, and swiftly.

00:18:42.000 But I guess I'll just go back full circle and say that in Minnesota right now, the insurrectionists have come out of hiding.

00:18:51.000 They're confronting our officers on the street.

00:18:55.000 They are being arrested.

00:18:57.000 This is a national security priority.

00:18:59.000 More arrests of insurrectionists are being made every day.

00:19:03.000 And each of those arrests then provides an opportunity to learn more about the network from a law enforcement and national security standpoint.

00:19:14.000 Just you raise a couple of things.

00:19:15.000 So switching over to the other announcement.

00:19:17.000 So Secretary Rubio announced that they are suspending issuances of new immigrant visas, also known as green cards.

00:19:30.000 And for short, they call them IVs.

00:19:32.000 So you have NIVs, those are non-immigrant visas. 1.00

00:19:35.000 Think, for example, like tourist visas, and then IVs, which are immigrant visas.

00:19:38.000 And so they are suspending immigrant visas from 75 countries or putting them on pause, a temporary, temporary pause, because those countries have had extraordinarily high rates of welfare usage, which is a violation of federal law.

00:19:58.000 In other words, an alien who is going to be on welfare is per se inadmissible. 1.00

00:20:04.000 And as a side note, to be an immigrant to this country, you have to have a sponsor.

00:20:10.000 That sponsor has to assert under penalty of significant financial punishment.

00:20:18.000 They have to assert that they will ensure that no one they sponsor will ever go on welfare.

00:20:25.000 And that if they were to ever be in any kind of financial duress, that they, the sponsor, would personally incumber the entire financial cost of that.

00:20:33.000 So what you see is a system that has been broken at every single possible level.

00:20:37.000 In other words, it means that the sponsors have all lied on their forms where the welfare is being used, or they haven't lied, then they failed to live up to their legal obligations.

00:20:50.000 And then you have the aliens themselves who were wrongly admitted.

00:20:53.000 The system is completely broken, right?

00:20:56.000 In other words, that is the definition of a non-functioning system.

00:20:59.000 So the State Department has been putting new measures in place, not just in those countries.

00:21:03.000 I mean, these measures we put in place that will apply universally.

00:21:10.000 Public charge is a universal standard.

00:21:12.000 But those are the countries where the concern have been most acute in terms of extremely high rates of welfare usage.

00:21:19.000 I did see questions about Brazil, and I was sort of wondering what the rationale for Brazil was.

00:21:26.000 Tim Miller actually challenged me on that from the bulwark.

00:21:31.000 So it's great to understand the rationale there.

00:21:33.000 Final question to you, Stephen, is about defunding the sanctuary cities.

00:21:38.000 Of all of the insults to our immigration laws and common sense, immigration jurisdictions are the sanctuary city jurisdictions are the most appalling to me.

00:21:49.000 President Trump has announced that he is defunding them starting very soon.

00:21:53.000 What can you tell us about that decision and how will it be enacted?

00:21:58.000 Well, as we discussed earlier, I mean, sanctuary cities are the backbone of the legal insurrection against the sovereign authority of our government, right?

00:21:58.000 Yes.

00:22:15.000 In other words, of the sovereignty of the country, the idea that we have borders and we have laws and we have immigration rules.

00:22:21.000 And therefore, obviously these cities should not be receiving federal funding.

00:22:28.000 The Department of Office, or sorry, the Office of Management and Budget, OMB, is working on a plan to implement that directive.

00:22:36.000 And we'll be providing more updates soon.

00:22:39.000 But that's Rust Vote.

00:22:40.000 But the basic concept is very straightforward, which is that we can't be providing funding to people, entities, and institutions that are effectively trying to nullify the entire structure of our federal government.

00:22:56.000 And the, again, the backbone of our entire system of living.

00:23:02.000 The point is that you cannot provide funding to entities that are engaged in a form of legal insurrection against the federal government.

00:23:12.000 In other words, there's a single immigration law for the whole country.

00:23:16.000 These are states and cities and jurisdictions that are harboring and shielding illegal aliens, particularly criminal illegal aliens, from the reach of the federal government.

00:23:26.000 And that is, of course, a direct, willful, purposeful affront the whole structure of our republic.

00:23:33.000 The idea that, again, we have a single national immigration law for the whole country.

00:23:37.000 Don't get different immigration laws for different cities and different states.

00:23:40.000 And the federal law enforcement has authority and sole authority to enforce federal immigration law.

00:23:45.000 And just to go back to my point earlier on the Department of Justice, this administration, let me be very clear, has been committed from day one to restoring democracy.

00:23:57.000 And let's be very clear what that means. 0.95

00:23:58.000 Because I want to, because this is the kind of thing where there's deliberate, there's willful stupidity, deliberate deception on the part of the media when they discuss this issue. 0.98

00:24:11.000 Let's just be very clear in understanding this. 0.99

00:24:14.000 The American people elect a president.

00:24:16.000 The American people elect a Congress.

00:24:18.000 The American people do not elect a bureaucracy.

00:24:22.000 The degree to which unaccountable power is vested in the hands of bureaucrats who ignore the law, who ignore elections, who ignore the Constitution to pursue their own agendas, the degree to which that is the case, in equal measure, we are less free, right?

00:24:39.000 In equal measure, we are less of a republic.

00:24:43.000 This is a zero-sum proposition, right?

00:24:46.000 Either we have decision-making that is made across our government by duly appointed individuals as a result of a democratically held election, or we have the tyranny of a bureaucracy that pursues its own agenda at the expense of democracy and the American people.

00:25:07.000 That's how we had Russia Gate and the Russia hoax and the Ukraine hoax and every other hoax and sabotage, the entire scheme, the whole coup to overthrow the president, from Mueller and Weissman and all these people, right?

00:25:27.000 And then, of course, later on, Jack Smith.

00:25:31.000 All of this is a contest, a struggle between whether power belongs to the people and the right of the people to choose change, to say, I want a safe city.

00:25:42.000 I want a secure border.

00:25:44.000 I want to uphold our immigration laws, right? 0.97

00:25:47.000 I want to have a government that's responsive to my needs and my desires.

00:25:50.000 I want to make sure that our taxpayer dollars aren't robbed and stolen and wasted.

00:25:55.000 The right of the American people to make those decisions versus the right of a bureaucracy to exercise an absolute veto over those decisions.

00:26:03.000 And if we have a bureaucracy that can veto the decisions that the American people made lawfully and correctly through the democratic process, look, bureaucrats are going to have their own private and personal views, but what they don't get a choice on is their loyalty to the Republic, their loyalty to the Constitution, and their loyalty to the laws of the United States.

00:26:24.000 And the idea that when an election is held, president gets to set the policies of the United States.

00:26:31.000 These things are not negotiable.

00:26:33.000 These things are not debatable.

00:26:34.000 And that's what is at play here.

00:26:36.000 Stephen, thank you for so much of your time, so much of your insight.

00:26:39.000 I mean this, that so much of the country, the base looks up to you to set the pace.

00:26:46.000 So thank you for your time.

00:26:48.000 We have experienced now the first year in living memory of net outflow migration out of the United States.

00:26:54.000 Please, for our audience, explain how incredible, what a huge accomplishment that truly is, given all the barriers that have been thrown up in your path.

00:27:02.000 Yes.

00:27:03.000 I mean, thank you for raising that because it's such a reminder to everybody that you cannot get sucked into negative thinking.

00:27:12.000 You have to stay, you have to be, you have to be, yes, put pressure on us.

00:27:16.000 Yes, demand the most, demand the best, stay honest, light that fire, make us stronger, make us better, make us tougher, absolutely.

00:27:23.000 But we also have to march forward with optimism, with purpose, with a confidence and a belief in our ability to continue winning and to achieve victory.

00:27:34.000 And so the entire system, judicial, bureaucratic, every part of it, the NGOs, all of it, international pressures, everything is stacked against us having sovereign control over our borders and immigration system.

00:27:48.000 For the first time in living memory, the United States had net negative migration.

00:27:54.000 This hasn't happened since the modern age.

00:27:57.000 This hasn't happened since air travel was widely available.

00:28:00.000 Like the last data point you have to go to was a time at which the third world didn't have access to airplanes, right?

00:28:06.000 Like there weren't a lot of airports in the countries that were sending migrants to us that were that were responsible for all this immigration growth in recent decades.

00:28:16.000 So you're going way back to a time period in which it was much harder for the third world, the third world regions of the planet to empty out into the United States.

00:28:26.000 And so this is an unprecedented achievement.

00:28:30.000 Everybody said it would be impossible, and President Trump achieved it.

00:28:34.000 And it's a reminder that we need to stay positive.

00:28:36.000 We need to stay optimistic.

00:28:38.000 We need to keep moving forward.

00:28:39.000 We need to keep delivering for the American people.

00:28:41.000 Stephen Miller, Deputy White House Deputy Chief of Staff and Homeland Security Advisor, you are the architect of so much that is holding the base together, that is keeping us optimistic.

00:28:56.000 You let us know that we are moving forward.

00:28:58.000 So please continue on, sir.

00:29:00.000 We have your back 100%, and you're doing great work.

00:29:05.000 You have turned the Titanic in a single year.

00:29:07.000 You've secured the border.

00:29:09.000 The Trump administration is doing phenomenal work.

00:29:13.000 We have your back.

00:29:13.000 Thank you for your time.

00:29:15.000 Thank you.

00:29:15.000 It's all because of President Trump.

00:29:18.000 No president in American history has accomplished more.

00:29:22.000 He's done more in a year than our greatest presidents have done in eight years.

00:29:27.000 So keep supporting your president.

00:29:29.000 Keep supporting President Trump.

00:29:31.000 Keep rallying behind the flag.

00:29:32.000 Keep rallying behind this administration.

00:29:34.000 Thank you.

00:29:35.000 Yeah.

00:29:35.000 Well done.

00:29:36.000 Thank you, Stephen Miller.

00:29:37.000 We hope to have you back on again soon as these stories evolve.

00:29:42.000 That was so good.

00:29:43.000 Just it's so I mean, he was in the first administration.

00:29:47.000 He did a lot in that first administration, yet it's still, it's, they accomplished a lot in those four years, and yet it's so clear they knew more of what they needed to do this time around.

00:29:56.000 There's more of a focus on it.

00:29:58.000 And I'll be frank, I think there's more resolve, too.

00:30:01.000 I think there had to be a few false starts that first admin.

00:30:03.000 This one, there's much more of a, let's be frank, ruthlessness about it.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 Do you know what their strategy is going to be?

00:30:09.000 Totally.

00:30:10.000 You have to beat it.

00:30:10.000 Well, and I remember thinking that the number one obstacle that we were going to have to overcome as a base, as a movement, was to not get weak knee, to not give into the sob stories, to not give into the propaganda.

00:30:21.000 And so they're playing their old tricks again in Minneapolis.

00:30:25.000 They're thinking that this is going to break our resolve.

00:30:28.000 And when you hear somebody like Stephen Miller, who is an architect of the immigration program coming from the White House from President Trump, you realize that they are not going to fold.

00:30:38.000 They are going to double triple down.

00:30:39.000 If they have to invoke the Insurrection Act, I absolutely think that they will.

00:30:42.000 Whether or not they have to is a question.

00:30:45.000 But this is the test of this administration.

00:30:48.000 Stephen, if you have any doubt, if you have any doubt of their resolve, listen to Stephen Miller, listen to that back.

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00:32:04.000 We do have Nick Freitas out on the line.

00:32:07.000 I'm so sorry that we were supposed to have you much earlier and you've been such a champ waiting.

00:32:14.000 Stephen Miller, what can you do?

00:32:16.000 He's got a lot, a lot to say, but thank you so much for joining the show.

00:32:20.000 I reached out to you, Nick, because I see in you somebody after Charlie, after we lost Charlie, after he was killed, there is certain voices, certain names, certain personalities with the right disposition, the right internal constitution that I believe God is raising up and promoting to help bring, you know, we're filling the back lines here and reinforcing the front lines.

00:32:46.000 So that is what you are one of those people.

00:32:48.000 So please just introduce yourself to our audience and welcome.

00:32:52.000 Oh, gosh.

00:32:53.000 Well, I'm honored.

00:32:54.000 It was an honor to actually get to speak at Amfest this year.

00:32:57.000 You guys did an incredible job.

00:32:59.000 It was a wonderful tribute to Charlie.

00:33:02.000 But yeah, just a little bit about me.

00:33:04.000 As of yesterday, I'm no longer a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, but I served as a state legislator there for 10 years.

00:33:12.000 Before that, I did some time in the United States Army with 82nd Airborne, 25th Infantry, did a couple of combat tours in Iraq with 1st Special Forces Group.

00:33:20.000 But more than any of that, I'm a husband and a father.

00:33:23.000 I've been married to my high school sweetheart for 26 years.

00:33:27.000 I tricked her into marrying me. 0.71

00:33:28.000 We had a very, very small graduating class.

00:33:30.000 She didn't have a lot of options.

00:33:33.000 And then we have three wonderful kids, 22, 20, and 18.

00:33:38.000 So, yeah, that's just a little bit about me.

00:33:41.000 So funny backstory here is my wife follows you on Instagram and she kept going, you need to get this guy on the show.

00:33:48.000 You need to get this guy on the show.

00:33:49.000 And I kept saying, yeah, you know, I don't have a contact for him, but I'm going to figure it out.

00:33:52.000 We'll figure it out.

00:33:54.000 And, you know, and then you're at Amfest and I'm showing pictures of you on stage to my wife.

00:33:58.000 And she's like, will you finally get him on the show?

00:33:59.000 I was like, yes, we absolutely will.

00:34:02.000 So much of what you say resonates with exactly what Charlie would say.

00:34:07.000 You have this such a drumbeat about family, marriage, faith, owning your own block, taking responsibility for your own actions.

00:34:17.000 So much of your political commentary originates out of that, just like it did for Charlie.

00:34:21.000 Explain why that's important to you.

00:34:23.000 I believe it's the path forward.

00:34:24.000 I believe that we don't have a country if we lose our virtue.

00:34:28.000 And that seems to actually be the core of your message.

00:34:31.000 Oh, no, it's absolutely true.

00:34:33.000 I was listening to, you know, people are arguing about this now on the right where we're having this internal battle and we have some people arguing for more liberty and some people arguing for more order.

00:34:42.000 And the bottom line is if you want a civilization that actually has ordered liberty where we can actually work and cooperate and create and build together, then virtue has to be a part of that.

00:34:52.000 And how do you achieve that if you don't have, if it's not built upon something that actually provides something transcendent?

00:34:59.000 If you want objective truth and objective morality, I got news.

00:35:02.000 There's only one place I know to actually find those things, and that's through Christ.

00:35:06.000 And I think one of the things that I always admired so much about Charlie was that it has become very, very easy and popular on the right to talk about what we're fighting against, right?

00:35:16.000 Because every day we get new examples of what we're fighting against.

00:35:19.000 But I think Charlie understood that the best soldiers are not the people that hate what they're fighting against.

00:35:24.000 They're the ones that love what they're fighting for.

00:35:26.000 And so when you put the emphasis on your relationship with God, the relationship you have with your spouse, your children, that's what actually gives you the energy.

00:35:35.000 It's what gives you the discipline sometimes when motivation may fall a little bit short to keep going and to keep fighting.

00:35:42.000 Because when you know what it's for, all of a sudden the obstacles don't seem so great.

00:35:48.000 Yeah, I think that's really well said.

00:35:50.000 And we, you know, I have to do a better job of that, of promoting what we are for, because we love this country.

00:35:56.000 I always say, I was born here.

00:35:58.000 I'm going to die here.

00:35:59.000 My kids were born here. 0.98

00:36:00.000 They're probably going to die here.

00:36:01.000 It's probably true for my grandchildren.

00:36:03.000 God, I hope so.

00:36:05.000 And I love this country so much that I'm willing to step into roles that I never imagined for myself, especially after Charlie.

00:36:12.000 I'm willing to continue putting it all on the line for this country.

00:36:15.000 And when you say stuff like that, it really inspires me, Nick.

00:36:18.000 And, you know, you, but again, you have taken your faith and you've put it into action, not only in Virginia, but, you know, I'm looking at your Twitter feed and you're talking about the primary season.

00:36:28.000 We should be replacing weak Republicans in safe districts.

00:36:32.000 This is what you will have the best chance of winning and the others will get the point.

00:36:35.000 So you are somebody that then takes your faith, your convictions, your love of this country.

00:36:41.000 You're putting it into action.

00:36:43.000 Explain why that's important.

00:36:46.000 Because a lot of people, you know, I think it's like Pozo will say this a lot.

00:36:50.000 It's like, you know, look at all the black pillars, the doomers. 1.00

00:36:53.000 Show me which ones have done anything.

00:36:55.000 Show me which ones have gotten out and chased some ballots that have knocked on doors.

00:36:59.000 And you will separate the wheat from the chaff really, really quickly.

00:37:03.000 Oh, no, he's absolutely right.

00:37:05.000 The people that I'm most convinced were doomed have probably put in the least amount of effort to save anything.

00:37:11.000 And I think when we look at, okay, what is the strategy going forward?

00:37:14.000 The thing I'm always going to start with is what is the thing you have most control over in your life?

00:37:18.000 Because if you're spending hours of time on campaigns and on social media debating with people that are not even going to give you a fair hearing, while in the meantime, your children are being indoctrinated at school, I'm going to argue that you're probably not investing your time where it can have the most impact.

00:37:34.000 So focus on that first.

00:37:35.000 What can you do about yourself?

00:37:37.000 What can you do about your family?

00:37:38.000 What you can do about your family, your community, et cetera.

00:37:41.000 But then when it does come to the political world, the other thing that's been frustrating is watching people behave as if, well, there's no real difference between the two parties.

00:37:50.000 We had 300,000 people that showed up to vote for Governor Glenn Youngkin that didn't show up to vote in this last election.

00:37:56.000 And you look at what Democrats are doing in the first 24 hours they've taken control.

00:37:59.000 They're trying to turn Virginia into California.

00:38:02.000 And it's like, look, no, you have to participate in the political process.

00:38:06.000 I'm not saying you got to run for office.

00:38:08.000 I'm not saying you got to make it your whole life, right? 0.99

00:38:10.000 But this idea that you're going to stand back because you're either above all of that or, well, you just don't feel like that's what they should be talking about from the pulpit, garbage. 0.98

00:38:18.000 It's done. 0.97

00:38:19.000 I'm sorry.

00:38:19.000 You're not going to find biblical justification for that.

00:38:22.000 What you need to be doing is focusing on how do you be salt and light in every area that you went in encounter with.

00:38:28.000 And then how do you be obedient to what God's laid out as your purpose in this life?

00:38:31.000 And one of those realms is the political.

00:38:34.000 And these people that will say, well, Nick, you know, you can't legislate morality.

00:38:37.000 10 years in the General Assembly, you want to know how many bills I voted on that had no moral premise?

00:38:42.000 Zero.

00:38:43.000 All legislation is built upon a moral premise.

00:38:46.000 And so whereas I don't believe that we can proselytize through the sword, I don't believe that we're supposed to use government as a mechanism to compel people to believe what I believe about God.

00:38:56.000 By the same token, all law is predicated upon some set of moral principles.

00:39:02.000 I would like my moral principles to be represented in that law.

00:39:06.000 And so I do believe I have an obligation to go out and just speak about these things and to not only let my arguments speak for themselves, but also the way I live my life to speak for itself.

00:39:16.000 Because one of the reasons why so many young people were attracted to what Charlie had to say was not simply because he gave incredibly good academically and intellectually rigorous arguments, but when you took a look at that guy's life, his marriage, his relationship with his kids, his friends, that was something to where no matter what they were told in college, they could look at that and say, I don't know what it is, and I don't know what the source of it is, but that guy's got it.

00:39:40.000 And I want it.

00:39:41.000 That's somebody who's worth listening to, not because he's got a degree that he's pointing to, but because he's got a lifetime worth of accomplishments at a young age that I would love to emulate.

00:39:50.000 And that's the thing that we need to do more of, is actually demonstrate to people what it is that they're fighting for.

00:39:56.000 And nobody did it better than Charlie.

00:39:59.000 I think that's actually an incredibly powerful point there, Nick, that we ran into so many people who would say, I disagree with Charlie on XYZ thing.

00:40:09.000 But that magnetic pull because he lived what he preached so well. 0.89

00:40:14.000 And people have seen so many hypocritical politicians, so many hypocritical public figures, hypocritical preachers and pastors. 0.98

00:40:20.000 We saw it up close. 0.99

00:40:21.000 And we saw it was real.

00:40:22.000 It was all real.

00:40:23.000 I think people could see that, that all of us who were around Charlie were such big, we could testify so genuinely to seeing that.

00:40:23.000 It was real.

00:40:31.000 And I love that you speak to that.

00:40:33.000 That's one of the strongest things that you can offer.

00:40:35.000 And it was always funny because Charlie would run into that where people would say, oh, Charlie, I disagree with you on XYZ, but I love all you've accomplished.

00:40:41.000 And you just say, what's stopping you?

00:40:44.000 Why do you disagree?

00:40:45.000 You can have all of these same things.

00:40:48.000 But it ties into what you just said, which is it is so important, I think, especially when we've been getting these emails where it's like, how do we come together?

00:40:56.000 The country's fraying apart.

00:40:57.000 That Charlie believes strongly in representing a position to advocate for, especially when the right is so defined currently by just being an ad hoc coalition of people opposed to the left.

00:41:09.000 Our biggest weakness is the sense that we don't have a strong affirmative premise.

00:41:14.000 What would we do if the left disappeared?

00:41:17.000 We need to have an answer to that.

00:41:18.000 And I think Charlie offered that.

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00:42:37.000 Nick Freitas, the former Green Beret, I guess former House, what did you say?

00:42:45.000 You were a GOP House of Delegates.

00:42:48.000 The crazy thing is creative.

00:42:50.000 We have our own special name.

00:42:51.000 Exactly.

00:42:52.000 It's Virginia.

00:42:52.000 We were like first, all right?

00:42:54.000 So we get to get it.

00:42:55.000 Bring back the House of Burgesses. 0.74

00:42:56.000 Don't pull that.

00:42:57.000 They have to call it the House of Burgesses if they're going to pull it.

00:42:59.000 Well, you know, it's like, I always think of Virginia, and I think of, you know, George Washington, and I think, you know, the sort of rural agrarian statesman.

00:43:09.000 I love that stuff.

00:43:10.000 Virginia should be a red state, but that's a, this is immigration. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Full circle to Stephen Miller.

00:43:16.000 Demographic replacement in Virginia.

00:43:18.000 Demographic replacement by bureaucrats by bureaucrats.

00:43:21.000 Yep, exactly.

00:43:21.000 Northern Virginia.

00:43:22.000 But if you're going to be a Republican working in DC, you probably want to live in Northern Virginia.

00:43:26.000 It's still the best.

00:43:27.000 I mean, let's hope it stays that way.

00:43:29.000 So, Nick, what are you fighting for?

00:43:32.000 Distill it as you can.

00:43:33.000 Sure.

00:43:34.000 I mean, first and foremost, it's this idea.

00:43:36.000 If you were to ask kind of what we think our mission is, it's the idea of godly men and women becoming godly husbands and wives, becoming godly mothers and fathers.

00:43:43.000 Because the idea is, you show me a country comprised of those sorts of people, and I'll show you a country whose politics you don't got to worry about.

00:43:49.000 Right?

00:43:50.000 So, it always starts with this idea of, okay, as a man, what am I trying to do to be the sort of man that God wants me to be, to be the sort of man that my husband or my wife needs, to be the sort of man that my children need.

00:44:02.000 And when I'm focusing on those things, what ends up developing as a consequence of that is I get a lot closer to being the sort of man that my community needs and that my country needs.

00:44:11.000 And so, I want people to once again be focused on what is their obligation to God, what is their obligation to their family, and then how are they developing the spiritual, emotional, physical, professional, intellectual skills to be able to do that.

00:44:24.000 With respect to my country, I want a free country, but what does that mean?

00:44:29.000 I want a free country that is actually rooted in the idea that the only way that you can have liberty that makes any sense is that if you actually have a culture which is committed to truth, which is committed to virtue.

00:44:40.000 And so, when I look at the way that our founders actually formed this government, I think they were onto something.

00:44:46.000 It was this idea that we're going to reserve the vast majority of decision-making power to the individual citizen.

00:44:53.000 To the extent that we have government, fine, at the local level, they're going to be the ones that deal with the things that are the most intimate to your day-to-day lives.

00:45:00.000 Then we have the states, which are also supposed to operate as sovereign entities within their jurisdictions.

00:45:05.000 And when it comes to the federal government, it's only going to worry about those things which genuinely impact the country as a whole.

00:45:11.000 The federal government was never meant to micromanage our education, our healthcare, our economy.

00:45:16.000 Stephen Miller is 100% accurate when we say that the federal bureaucracy is one of the greatest threats to a free people ever, because those bureaucracies have, they have goals and objectives of their own, which run contrary to a free state.

00:45:31.000 And so, I want a government which once again understands its proper role, I would argue, in God's created order.

00:45:37.000 You know, again, keep us safe, enforce contract law, make sure that nobody is invading the country.

00:45:42.000 But I don't need a government to try to play daddy for everybody.

00:45:46.000 I need a government to stay within its proper role so that free people can figure things out through voluntary cooperation.

00:45:53.000 And I think if we could get back to that point of understanding that if you really want to be free, then that also includes a great deal of personal responsibility.

00:46:01.000 And Adams probably said it best when he said our Constitution is written for a moral and religious people and is totally unsuited to the government of any other. 0.56

00:46:08.000 And so it's about once again recognizing that if we can, if we, again, have that shared commitment for objective truth, objective morality, if we can understand the author of objective truth and morality, then I think we can have this sort of place where we're so good at governing ourselves and in our daily interactions with our family, with our friends, with our community, that the idea that we would need the government to try to run in and micromanage all these aspects would just seem absurd to us.

00:46:34.000 You know, it's just such a paradigm shift, what you're describing, that I just, so many people would not even be able because the left has led us down this path for basically a century of big brother government taking care of us that to fully feel empowered, to enjoy the totality of your individual agency will really take a revival.

00:46:56.000 I really believe that.

00:46:57.000 And here's, I just, this is the Charlie Kirk show.

00:46:59.000 Here's Charlie in his own words, I think, describing exactly what you're talking about with a student on campus, 459.

00:47:05.000 The practical solution, we don't have to think.

00:47:07.000 We need to point people to God and eventually to Jesus Christ.

00:47:10.000 And that is the solution.

00:47:11.000 People need to humble themselves before the Lord.

00:47:14.000 They need to go back to church.

00:47:15.000 They need to get married before they have sex. 1.00

00:47:18.000 They need to stop engaging in debauchery and limitless amounts of drinking and the sins of the flesh and understand that there's a God who loves them that wants them to live a certain way.

00:47:28.000 And it's not a matter of the feminist movement or the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:47:33.000 We need a movement that is centered around spiritual, eternal principles.

00:47:37.000 But a revival will only happen with repentance, and repentance is at odd with pride.

00:47:42.000 There is a God, and we are not him.

00:47:45.000 Those two things are fundamental towards having hopefully the humility of getting in front of your creator, understanding that you fall short of the glory of God with the eyes on the cross and understanding the significance of what the cross is and what it means for your life.

00:48:01.000 I just love hearing him just preach it.

00:48:03.000 Just preach it.

00:48:04.000 Repentance, that line about repentance just got me.

00:48:06.000 Go ahead.

00:48:07.000 Well, I think it's also, I've noticed this.

00:48:10.000 You know, since Charlie was murdered, I've spoken at several universities to include Cal Berkeley, right?

00:48:16.000 Which is not exactly a bastion of conservative thought.

00:48:19.000 And it is amazing to me how few questions I get on politics, at least in compared to what I would have gotten a year ago.

00:48:27.000 The vast majority of questions I'm getting now are about how do I be a better man?

00:48:30.000 How do I raise the sort of family I want?

00:48:35.000 How do I continue to foster an important relationship with God?

00:48:38.000 And I had one student, actually Ann Amphest, come up and he goes, how do I stand up for my faith when it's so difficult?

00:48:43.000 And I said, why is it difficult?

00:48:45.000 And he goes, well, just my peers, you know, my peers don't share my worldview.

00:48:49.000 And I said, so why is it difficult?

00:48:52.000 And he goes, well, my college professors, you know, they will criticize.

00:48:56.000 I said, once again, I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here.

00:48:59.000 Why is it difficult?

00:49:01.000 And what he was getting to is that there's social, there's academic consequences, there's potentially economic consequences.

00:49:06.000 I looked at him and I said, look, I'm not discounting those, but here's what I will tell you.

00:49:11.000 Every time you suffer anything, no matter how minor, your immediate response should be, thank you, God, that I could suffer something for your name.

00:49:20.000 Because as soon as you take in that attitude, then every time it happens, you're not upset.

00:49:25.000 You're smiling because you know what it represents.

00:49:28.000 And if you actually want to foster the kind of mindset that can save your country, that's it, because you're not going to do it apart from the revival side.

00:49:35.000 Because why are we doing all this?

00:49:37.000 Secular humanism, it's not as if we're not living in an environment which has been inextricably shaped by secular humanism for the last several decades.

00:49:45.000 Is anyone happy with it?

00:49:48.000 It's amazing to me that when I actually mention Jesus, when I mention the Bible, I will have people on our side that will say, Nick, I like what you have to say, but can you leave God out of it?

00:49:57.000 No, he's the author of what I'm talking about.

00:50:01.000 It would be plagiarism for me to suggest that these are just Nick Freitas' idea.

00:50:04.000 They're not.

00:50:05.000 I'm ripping them off.

00:50:06.000 But here's what I would ask you to consider.

00:50:09.000 If you trusted Charlie and you agreed that he could give really good arguments, if you can look around at the world right now and what's actually been governing up until this point and come to the recognition that the people least happy, we think we're unhappy with what's going on with woke.

00:50:25.000 Go look at the charts of the people most likely to actually be diagnosed with a mental health issue.

00:50:31.000 And it's young women between the ages of 18 and 29 who identify as liberal.

00:50:35.000 They are the ones suffering the most from what they have accomplished.

00:50:40.000 And at this point, I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to say we're advocating for something else.

00:50:46.000 And the answer is not just in the arguments that we use.

00:50:49.000 It's not just in the logical consistency or effectiveness of the arguments and the way that we construct them.

00:50:55.000 It's actually found in the way we live our lives and the results of those actions in that worldview.

00:51:00.000 Blake, I don't want to cut you out of this.

00:51:04.000 If you have questions, please, by all means.

00:51:06.000 He's got a good.

00:51:08.000 You sound like a lot like Charlie.

00:51:09.000 I mean, in a lot of ways.

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 Which is which is because we need them.

00:51:14.000 We need a lot of Charlies. 0.98

00:51:15.000 So, Nick, I have a question.

00:51:18.000 Spiritual battle, light versus darkness.

00:51:22.000 I mean, how much of that do you see, whether it's the infighting on the right, whether it's some of the progressive ideology, the Marxist ideology?

00:51:31.000 How much do you think this defines our current moment?

00:51:33.000 Is it overused?

00:51:34.000 Is it underused?

00:51:36.000 I challenge anyone to just go with an open mind and read the book of Romans and not think it provides a perfect example of what we see going on around us.

00:51:45.000 It's this idea of people being totally given over to a way of thinking that bears no, forget morality.

00:51:51.000 It bears no resemblance to reality.

00:51:55.000 When you have Supreme Court justices or you have people arguing before the highest courts in the land that cannot make distinctions between a man or a woman is because they're terrified of the political implications, I think we have to understand that there's a spiritual component here.

00:52:08.000 And by the way, if you believe in God, then believing in the spiritual should be obvious and logical.

00:52:12.000 I think the spiritual component cannot be undermined.

00:52:16.000 It has to lead.

00:52:17.000 It can't just be this side component where we think if we make a really good economic argument, that'll win the day.

00:52:23.000 We've seen what happens when you actually have a conservative movement that is obsessed with the economic, but then gives up on the true moral issues of our day.

00:52:31.000 And it turns out that Democrats or leftists or wokeists, they don't mind moving to your state to take the tax advantages and then all of a sudden push their indoctrination within your school system.

00:52:40.000 So I think we have to understand what it is that we're fighting for on a fundamental level.

00:52:45.000 And I think the key to this is that when you look at young men and you look at the overwhelming numbers for which they are returning to the faith, where they're trying to look at something that will actually give them an identity that is transcendent, that's incredibly encouraging.

00:53:00.000 That tells me that the right questions are being asked within the next generation because they're not just interested in how they get onto a campaign or how do they run for office.

00:53:08.000 They're actually interested in the things that are virtuous and moral and noble and just.

00:53:14.000 And by the way, they want a cause to fight for.

00:53:16.000 They want to risk something for what they believe.

00:53:19.000 They just want to make sure it's worth it.

00:53:21.000 And as they walk back into our churches right now, the most important message I can send out to the men in those churches is you have a generation of young men looking for answers, looking for truth, and they want to be honorable.

00:53:31.000 What do they find when they walk into your church?

00:53:34.000 Because if they find weak men, if they find men that are unwilling to stand for anything, if they find men that are unwilling to accept risk, if they find men that may talk a good game, but don't live it out, I promise you they have other options to listen to.

00:53:46.000 Because the one thing I know is woke loses.

00:53:49.000 Woke loses no matter what.

00:53:50.000 You do not win a war.

00:53:52.000 You do not fight a revolution. 0.98

00:53:53.000 You do not run a country with people who define themselves by their mental illness. 0.53

00:53:57.000 That does not happen.

00:53:59.000 So young men will determine the outcome of what happens next.

00:54:03.000 The question is, is are they going to listen to the sort of men like Charlie Kirk or are they going to find answers somewhere else?

00:54:08.000 And if they find answers somewhere else, this can get bad really quick.

00:54:12.000 Well said.

00:54:13.000 All men have need of the gods. 0.99

00:54:15.000 It depends on which one you will follow.

00:54:18.000 Bob Dylan said something like that, too.

00:54:20.000 Also Homer.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, the ancient Homer, not Homer Simpson.

00:54:24.000 Bob Homer.

00:54:25.000 Bob Dylan, Homer.

00:54:27.000 Blake is our history buff here, and we're grateful for him.

00:54:32.000 I want to respect your time.

00:54:34.000 I know Stephen Miller went long, and so we had to sort of compress our time with you, Nick.

00:54:38.000 I hope you will come back on with us soon.

00:54:40.000 I think you have so much to offer.

00:54:43.000 I just want to full circle why I thought it was important to have you on is because I do believe God is raising up more leaders that are going to be more and more prominent and you're one of those.

00:54:54.000 So thank you for making the time for us today.

00:54:56.000 We appreciate it.

00:54:57.000 It's my honor.

00:54:58.000 Thank you.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, God bless you.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 16, 2026

Law and Order vs. Chaos ft. Stephen Miller

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